Comments on: Rocket’s red glare in Beijing? http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:19:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Y's Guy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/comment-page-6/#comment-280926 Y's Guy Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:43:47 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/#comment-280926 the only little catch to his plan is that along the way, he lied to congress and if they can prove that, he's going to prison, otherwise this just might work. the only little catch to his plan is that along the way, he lied to congress and if they can prove that, he’s going to prison, otherwise this just might work.

]]> By: Y's Guy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/comment-page-6/#comment-280925 Y's Guy Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:40:08 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/#comment-280925 i had this when the rocket crap first started. the whole thing is falling into place just as rocket's people had planned it. 60 minutes, congress, now 60 minutes again, then the olympics drug testing program then back into the major leagues by the end of the season. if they win the gold medal and then he helps someone into the WS, he might just pull off making the hall of fame after all... i had this when the rocket crap first started. the whole thing is falling into place just as rocket’s people had planned it. 60 minutes, congress, now 60 minutes again, then the olympics drug testing program then back into the major leagues by the end of the season.

if they win the gold medal and then he helps someone into the WS, he might just pull off making the hall of fame after all…

]]> By: Marcy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/comment-page-6/#comment-235899 Marcy Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:54:21 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/#comment-235899 It was Roger himself who said he would like to pitch for Team USA telling a Providence, RI newspaper. If he feels up to it, doesn't and hasn't tested positive why couldn't he pitch for Team USA? Please don't yell about his age, etc., this is a purely technical, rules oriented question. Also, the 60 minutes piece has already been taped; the Clemens family is away and due back the day the piece will air. I had originally heard Clemens would be responding to questions from the media but I haven’t heard anything about that recently. Does anyone know if that is still on? My problem with all this is that I don’t understand why it is so popular to disbelieve Clemens. According to Murray Chass (NY Times)Rusty Hardin can only try to prove that Roger is more credible than McNamee. To me, that’s a no-brainer and doesn't seem like it should be too difficult yet so many believe McNamee and not Clemens, apparently including Chass. People were constantly praising Clemens for his amazingly tough workouts and work ethic – that same workout that he is being vilified for now. There is so much all over the Internet about Clemens’ performance in the years following his departure from Boston; his ERA went up, strike-outs went down, and that he was going down the normal road for an aging pitcher. Also, he doesn't have any of the physical side effects (acne, hair loss, bone growth) associated with steroid use. It is almost funny that Red Sox fans are the quickest to vilify Roger, a product of their system and a faithful pitcher for them until he wasn’t wanted by them anymore – that is until Roger pitched well for the Yankees. Oh, and yes, let’s not forget last year when they tried to recruit him again. You know, I am a proud Yankees fan and have been for a long time. I am the first to admit I hate losing to the Red Sox – I’d go as far as to say I hate the Red Sox but it takes nothing away for the respect I have for the accomplishments of Terry Francona, David Ortiz, and yes, even Manny. I can’t stand their pitchers regardless of their accomplishments, perhaps that is a personal failing but again, they are my feelings – I don’t need any crap from anyone for them. BTW, I hated Johnny Damon when he hit that grand slam in 04 but he is now wearing pinstripes (and a cute guy - though admittedly a cheat of the worst sort) so I root for him but to me he’ll always be a Red Sox, never a Yankee and I wish they would stop using him as their clubhouse spokesperson. It was Roger himself who said he would like to pitch for Team USA telling a Providence, RI newspaper. If he feels up to it, doesn’t and hasn’t tested positive why couldn’t he pitch for Team USA? Please don’t yell about his age, etc., this is a purely technical, rules oriented question.
Also, the 60 minutes piece has already been taped; the Clemens family is away and due back the day the piece will air. I had originally heard Clemens would be responding to questions from the media but I haven’t heard anything about that recently. Does anyone know if that is still on?
My problem with all this is that I don’t understand why it is so popular to disbelieve Clemens.
According to Murray Chass (NY Times)Rusty Hardin can only try to prove that Roger is more credible than McNamee. To me, that’s a no-brainer and doesn’t seem like it should be too difficult yet so many believe McNamee and not Clemens, apparently including Chass.
People were constantly praising Clemens for his amazingly tough workouts and work ethic – that same workout that he is being vilified for now. There is so much all over the Internet about Clemens’ performance in the years following his departure from Boston; his ERA went up, strike-outs went down, and that he was going down the normal road for an aging pitcher. Also, he doesn’t have any of the physical side effects (acne, hair loss, bone growth) associated with steroid use.
It is almost funny that Red Sox fans are the quickest to vilify Roger, a product of their system and a faithful pitcher for them until he wasn’t wanted by them anymore – that is until Roger pitched well for the Yankees. Oh, and yes, let’s not forget last year when they tried to recruit him again. You know, I am a proud Yankees fan and have been for a long time. I am the first to admit I hate losing to the Red Sox – I’d go as far as to say I hate the Red Sox but it takes nothing away for the respect I have for the accomplishments of Terry Francona, David Ortiz, and yes, even Manny. I can’t stand their pitchers regardless of their accomplishments, perhaps that is a personal failing but again, they are my feelings – I don’t need any crap from anyone for them.
BTW, I hated Johnny Damon when he hit that grand slam in 04 but he is now wearing pinstripes (and a cute guy – though admittedly a cheat of the worst sort) so I root for him but to me he’ll always be a Red Sox, never a Yankee and I wish they would stop using him as their clubhouse spokesperson.

]]> By: J-Dawg http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/comment-page-6/#comment-235811 J-Dawg Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:24:25 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/#comment-235811 Rebecca- I was also hoping to see a good show from Hawaii tonight, but they look absolutely shellshocked. I figured that Georgia would handle them, but not like this. The Bulldogs are on an entirely different plane than Hawaii's other opponents this season, to say the least. Rebecca- I was also hoping to see a good show from Hawaii tonight, but they look absolutely shellshocked. I figured that Georgia would handle them, but not like this. The Bulldogs are on an entirely different plane than Hawaii’s other opponents this season, to say the least.

]]> By: Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/comment-page-6/#comment-235808 Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:14:05 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/#comment-235808 Hawaii didn't even show up tonight, I am disappointed Hawaii didn’t even show up tonight, I am disappointed

]]> By: Buddy Biancalana http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/comment-page-6/#comment-235807 Buddy Biancalana Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:10:44 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/#comment-235807 A perfect game by Hughes would really be sweet. A perfect game by Hughes would really be sweet.

]]> By: J-Dawg http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/comment-page-6/#comment-235806 J-Dawg Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:07:40 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/#comment-235806 Happy New Year to everyone! The July 4th game that Andrea mentioned will mark the Silver Anniversary of Dave Righetti's no-hitter at the Stadium against Boston. Wouldn't it be nice if Joba or that day's Yankee starter celebrated the anniversary in style with a no-no of his own? :) Obviously, a win would do the trick, but a no-no would be extra sweet! Happy New Year to everyone! The July 4th game that Andrea mentioned will mark the Silver Anniversary of Dave Righetti’s no-hitter at the Stadium against Boston. Wouldn’t it be nice if Joba or that day’s Yankee starter celebrated the anniversary in style with a no-no of his own? :) Obviously, a win would do the trick, but a no-no would be extra sweet!

]]> By: whoa http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/comment-page-6/#comment-235805 whoa Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:33:18 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/#comment-235805 Since you prefer to truncate the discussion, I will allow you to have the last word on the foregoing topic, but I had to respond to this post: <blockquote>murphydog January 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm Edit button: “Frankly, given the importance of those two guys to Michell, I would argue he wouldn’t have a report WITHOUT the help of Federal investigators.”</blockquote> Granted, given the MLBPA's decision to constructively obstruct the investigation, McNamee and Radomsky were the primary sources of information for Mitchell, but they only faced jeopardy because there was evidence that they were dealers, not users. The Feds have demonstrated less than zero inclination to investigate or prosecute players who are merely users, other than to use their testimony to go after dealers. Consequently, I think it's reasonable to conclude that even the minority of MLB players who are "dirty" faced no real jeopardy. Case in point, Bonds, Giambi, Santiago, et. al. were granted immunity as long as they told the truth to the grand jury in the BALCO matter. If there were "dirty" players who wished to cooperate with Mitchell, but declined to do so because they were concerned about their legal exposure, they should have sought immunity as a condition precedent to speaking with him. Since you prefer to truncate the discussion, I will allow you to have the last word on the foregoing topic, but I had to respond to this post:

murphydog January 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm

Edit button: “Frankly, given the importance of those two guys to Michell, I would argue he wouldn’t have a report WITHOUT the help of Federal investigators.”

Granted, given the MLBPA’s decision to constructively obstruct the investigation, McNamee and Radomsky were the primary sources of information for Mitchell, but they only faced jeopardy because there was evidence that they were dealers, not users.

The Feds have demonstrated less than zero inclination to investigate or prosecute players who are merely users, other than to use their testimony to go after dealers. Consequently, I think it’s reasonable to conclude that even the minority of MLB players who are “dirty” faced no real jeopardy.

Case in point, Bonds, Giambi, Santiago, et. al. were granted immunity as long as they told the truth to the grand jury in the BALCO matter.

If there were “dirty” players who wished to cooperate with Mitchell, but declined to do so because they were concerned about their legal exposure, they should have sought immunity as a condition precedent to speaking with him.

]]> By: Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/comment-page-6/#comment-235804 Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:10:34 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/#comment-235804 Andrea: No question. Andrea: No question.

]]> By: UtilityMan http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/comment-page-6/#comment-235802 UtilityMan Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:50:23 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/31/rockets-red-glare-in-beijing/#comment-235802 44 More Days!!!!............NICE!!!! Cant wait!! 44 More Days!!!!…………NICE!!!!

Cant wait!!

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