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Baseball gets back to work

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 02, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s Jan. 2 and baseball is back in business after a break for the holidays. What does this mean for the Yankees? Probably not a whole lot.

There are no indications that the Yankees will suddenly get back into the mix for Johan Santana. It’s more an issue of the contract extension that he would demand than parting with prospects. The Yankees aren’t eager to invest $120 million in a pitcher.

Brian Cashman did sign Doug Mientkiewicz on Jan. 5 last season. It wouldn’t be much of a surprise if he signed another infielder sometime this month, although probably not a first baseman.

At some point this month, we’ll get the list of assorted suspects, prospects, no-hopers and fringe players who were invited to spring training.

The Yankees also need to come to terms with Wilson Betemit, Brian Bruney, Robbie Cano and Chien-Ming Wang.

Beyond that, it could me a quiet month. We’ll be filling the gaps with guest posts from fellow bloggers (that starts Friday), so stay tuned.


If you’re just getting back too your computer, check out the last week of December. Especially our 2008 predictions.





36 Responses to “Baseball gets back to work”

  1. Drew January 2nd, 2008 at 11:31 am

    I’m available if Cash needs me. I’m faster than Posada, a better fielder than Giambi, humbler than A-Rod, and in better shape than Pavano.

    Probably still can’t hit a curve ball though :(

  2. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 2nd, 2008 at 11:39 am

    Did Andy Phillips sign anywhere?

  3. Joe Go (Cano fan) January 2nd, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Can’t wait for the contracts of Cano and Wang hope the Yanks give them long deals if not they are probably getting over 7.5 million each maybe over 10 i read somewhere

  4. Phil January 2nd, 2008 at 11:54 am

    I wouldn’t hold your breath on long-term deals for Cano and Wang. That’s not Cashman’s MO.

  5. Keith Waters January 2nd, 2008 at 11:59 am

    You think the Yankees and Cano/Wang going to end up at an arbitrater Jeter won when the Yankees wanted to give him less Cano is a former all-star already and lead 2nd basemen Wang has 38 wins in 2 seasons who’d you think has the upper hand?

  6. Manny Headstone January 2nd, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    Long deals for Cano and Wang . “That’s not Cashmans MO” Sometimes he’ll have to change that like when he has two great players only getting better and now they are pretty good already It’s time to sign a contract before the prices go up just think about it if wang wins 20 wins the next 3 years he’ll have 98 wins in 5 seasons if he wins 19 its 95 now thats a huge contract coming

  7. Money Man January 2nd, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    The fans want contracts signed, it makes sense to sign them now, 6-9 years Cano 4-5 years Wang makes sense. It doesn’t mean that it will happen but be sure he’s thinking about it.

  8. Wangers Curve January 2nd, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Your right. It’s not like Wang and Cano are going to get a one year less than contract worth deal they’ll be worth between 8-11 million signing Wang to a 60-70 5 year deal and Cano to a 7-10 year deal worth 85-120 million would only be better for the yankees. The prices on contracts will probably get bigger and bigger now that baseball is making more money and these 2 players are only getting better its a no-lord deal. So do it Cashman

  9. Wangers Curve January 2nd, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    A no-lose deal

  10. Hil Evilton January 2nd, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    That’s still doesn’t mean Cashman will do it you know the Yanks there are rules who cares if We’ll have to pay more later. Does it look like the Yankees won’t have the money for them then? Cashmans way of thinking

  11. hmmm January 2nd, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    “A no-lose deal”

    right, unless he gets hurt.

    i would start talking with Cano’s agent, but hold off on Wang for another year.

    the Yankees would be smart to see how Wang performs this year. every additional data point is worth a ton to the Yankees, more than the additional dollars that waiting may cost.

  12. Justin (just sign the **** contracts already) January 2nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    I’d do it if I were in Cashmans shoes. It makes sense every side you look at it you get a great pitcher that want’s to stay with the team anyways and a great 2nd baseman who is a good batter getting better . Just do it already Cashman .

  13. Joey B January 2nd, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    “A no-lose deal unless he gets hurt” every contract has that problem that still doesn’t mean don’t sign a contract they both have proven enough maybe give wang another look this year but for sure sign up cano

  14. hmmm January 2nd, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    ““A no-lose deal unless he gets hurt” every contract has that problem”

    yes, but you are missing the point that Wang is NOT a free agent.

    Wang HAS to play for the Yankees for the next 3 seasons no matter what.

    you can’t compare him to “every contract”.

    in this case, assuming the injury risk isn’t necessary for the Yankees YET.

    but i would start talking to Cano.

    pitchers are simply worse investments than position players. it is just smarter for a rich team like the Yankees to wait on giving Wang a long term contract. if it costs them a little more, so be it.

  15. Joey B January 2nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    So you’re saying wait on Wang cause we got the money and he’s not going anywhere? 2 years 38 wins not enough proof he’s good? Now that he’s developing a new pitch you think that will only make him worse? AND just cause the yankees are rich doesn’t mean they should waste it. Sign Cano for a long deal and Wang for a 3-5 five year deal cause he’s pitcher. Some teams sign players with years to go till free agency just cause he’s a lock till then doesn’t mean Wait till then. Sign them Cashman

  16. whoa January 2nd, 2008 at 2:42 pm


    What makes you think that the major impediment to a Santana deal is money rather than Hughes?

  17. SAndMan January 2nd, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    I think were still in the mix for Santana.If not we would have said were out.The door is still open.I mean I remember 2 years again Cashman saying Johnny Damon wa not really someone we have to have and we were fine putting Bubba Crosby in center.Well lucky that didn’t happen.

    Just get Santana and get it over with.

  18. CoRP January 2nd, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    This comments section reads like Charlie’s diary in Flowers for Algernon…at the very the beginning.

  19. Scott Proctor's Arm January 2nd, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    To Drew:

    “I’m available if Cash needs me. I’m faster than Posada, a better fielder than Giambi, humbler than A-Rod, and in better shape than Pavano.”

    You are also older than Clemens.

  20. Buffett January 2nd, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Signing Wang $60 million/5yrs now or wait for another year to sign Wang for $75~$80 million/5yrs

  21. Spyder January 2nd, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Rest assured Cashman will sit on his hands and not improve this team while others do.

  22. hmmm January 2nd, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    “Signing Wang $60 million/5yrs now or wait for another year to sign Wang for $75~$80 million/5yrs”

    right, except the latter deal is possibly a better deal since you are buying more years of free agency.

  23. gus January 2nd, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    i was all for trading for johan but clearly bill smith is being greedy on this one, i mean hes not trading johan, hes trading the right to sign johan long term since his team is too cheap to do it and the yankees made a fair offer, are the sox in that hunt still? why hasnt santana been traded yet if hes seriously being shopped? plenty of teams are always looking for starting pitching, that man is just being ridiculous now.

  24. MIke January 2nd, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    We gotta get Johan. I love how we give wrong contracts to the wrong guys but when this beast of a pitcher is on the table now money is an option. This guy is what the yanks need a true #1 starter. I love how money wasnt the issue with Randy Johnson and Mussina but with the best option in baseball it is

  25. larry January 3rd, 2008 at 9:36 am

    Perhaps the person who posted the “no idications” thoughts should read today’s New York Daily-News?????

    Just a thought… Hank Steinbrenner seems to disagree… :-/

  26. shaolin37th January 3rd, 2008 at 9:51 am

    I don’t know gang but this is getting eerily close to the Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano, Hideki Irabu, Javier Vasquez deals. Or maybe it could be as money as the Jimmy Key, David Cone, Jon Leiber acquisitions. Now finally my point lies here… Donny Baseball, Bernie Williams, Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, Robinson Cano, Melky Cabrera, Ian Kennedy, Alan Horne, Jose Tabata, Philip Hughes, Joba Chamberlain. Nothing supplaments homegrown talent. I didn’t even mention Alfanso Soriano, Ted Lilly, Mike Lowell, Jay Buhner. These are all farm system guys we gave away. There are many more I couldn’t recall gang. Keep the talent. It will only develope. You will miss here and there but what did it cost you? KEEP THE KIDS FOLKS! Patience is a virtue.

  27. Franklin January 3rd, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano, Hideki Irabu, Javier Vasquez deals. Or maybe it could be as money as the Jimmy Key, David Cone, Jon Leiber

    Johan Santana is nothing like those players. Johnson and Brown were old; Pavano had one good year; Irabu was a speculative move on a player that never pitched in MLB. Santana is um, Santana. The guy had an off year and he was in the top ten in every major stat category. He’s never been injured. He’s a lock for 200 innings. Trading Hughes to the Twins for Santana makes sense. Plus, if he is the next coming of the Rocket, the Twins will be looking to trade him in 4 years for the same reason as Johan.

  28. NFRESH January 3rd, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    The thing with the Yankees and Johan is Years & Money,How many True # 1′s ever got as many years and money as Johan is looking for in modern era, really no one except for ZITO who in his 1st year in S.F didnt look like a ACE,then there was Kevin Brown a 6 year 100 million dollar bust and then you have arguments about Mussina who in 2001 was considered one of the Best Aces in the game who was 140-57 with a 3.16 era at the time he signed a 6-7 year deal with New York for just under 100 mill and what did he do, he went 95-65 with a 4.25 era, now he averaged 15 wins a year with New York but was his contract (DOLLARS) worth it in the long run.I’ll put 4 pitchers right now in the class of Johan, that contracts either new deals (this year) or exsisting contracts with none over 4 years J.Peavy 3 yrs this year,R.Oswalt 4 yrs this year J,Beckett 3 yrs C.Zambrano 4 yrs. So my point is having a guy like Johan Santana would be no doubt a huge uplift in pitching but committing that kind of Money & Years is no guarantee you would get your monies worth,if Johan was looking for a 4 yr deal the yanks would have had him 2 months ago. i think the Yanks dont wanna give 140 mill and possibly have him get hurt and end up like a PAVANO 19 starts 5 wins which he recieved $9 Million for each win (his contract)

  29. larry January 3rd, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    To compare a soon-to-be 29 Santana to Brown and Johnson is ridiculous… Under normal circumstances, I agree with the keep the kids theory… In fact, wrote something on about Santana being the only guy I would even CONSIDER dealing Hughes for… Dan Haren (now gone to Arizona)??? NOT A CHANCE!

    Santana is the best pitcher in the game and still in his prime. This would be more like when the Yankees acquired Ron Guidy than anything else.

    And not to be a complete party pooper on the previous post, but the Yankees DID get SOMETHING back when they dealt Alfonso Soriano… I don’t think I want a do-over on THAT one.

  30. larry January 3rd, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Peter Gammons appears to believe the Yankees are not only still IN the Santana Sweepstakes, but perhaps that they have never been OUT of it.

    Gammons: “I think Hank Steinbrenner would trade for Santana but only at the cost that was offered a month ago.”

    And note that Gammons said HANK STEINBRENNER (you know, the guy who gave all the quotes for the story) would be the one who makes the trade… Not the Yankees, not Cashman, and not Hal.

    In addition, in the hours since the Daily News story hit the streets, no less than,, and have all thought the report was worthy of writing their own stories.

    Call me crazy, those would seem to qualify as “indications” – damned strong indications, in fact – that the Yankees ARE involved.

    But, perhaps Peter Gammons,,,, Hank Steinbrenner, and the New York Daily-News don’t have don’t have as many quality sources as the author of this blog. :-/

  31. NFRESH January 3rd, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    LARRY….. I dont where you get your Facts FROM but Guidry was drafted by New York not Acquired from another team and as for you saying comparing Brown and Johnson to Santana is ridiculous. how is it ridiculous you cant compare Johan to those two unless his career was over so lets compare the 2 to Johan’s age right now soon to be a 29 yr old with career stats of 93-44 3.22 era when Brown was 29 he was 80-50 3.42 era,now thats comparable as for Johnson at age 29 he was 110-70 3.60 & from age 30-present he is 174-80 2.80 era 3,000 K’S now if thats not comparable i dont know what is, Johan needs to avg 20 wins for the next 11 years just to be in the same room as the its possible it could happen but he needs to be absolute perfect for the next 10-12 years injury free of his career to do it, so if your gonna talk comparison do it the right way or dont make a comment that is nonsense

  32. larry January 3rd, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Kevin Brown was 39 when the Yankees acquired him…

    Randy Johnson was 41 when the Yankees acquired him…

    THAT is why there is no comparison between the Yankees acquiring those two and a potential trade for Santana now.

  33. larry January 4th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    A story today in the Boston Herald about the story that appeared in the NY Daily News…

    What is WRONG with these people???

    I mean, hey, it’s just Hank Steinbrenner saying, among other things, that “The Yankees have the best offer on the table”…

    …and it’s just a story about how the Yankees still have their eyes on Santana.

    Why don’t,,, the New York Daily-News, Peter Gammons, and now the Boston Herald realize that those things are “no indication” that the Yankees are involved in the Johan Santana discussion????

    Silly 5 major news outlets and Hall of Fame reporter.

  34. shaolin37th January 4th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    I’d like to chime back in regarding my comment left about keeping the kids. I respect NFresh and larry’s opinions, but have to inturn disagree. Santana is an extremely impressive talent. More than likely the best lefty in the game right now. However, he has logged four straight seasons of 200+ innings, two of which he passed 230 innings. His walks and HR’s allowed have gone up each of the last three seasons. KEEP IN MIND, the Yanks are simply trading for the rights to negociate with Mr. Santana. You will give up Melky Cabrera (.280 AVG., 16 OF Assists), Philip Hughes who you must admit, is the closest thing to a sure bet as a legit #2 and possibly an Ace #1. Think of how much money the Yanks save working with these kids. Think of the chemistry that will be maintained as Cano plays with his best friend Melky. Hughes continues to progress through the organization he’s dreamed of playing for. Now let’s talk about the cost. The Yanks would get hammered with the luxery tax on this one. They will shell out 140 MIL. over 7 years, but pay far more once lux. tax is accounted for. In my opinion, this is exactly why I find there to be ZERO chance the Red Sox land him. They’re not going to increase THEIR Lux. Tax and then turn around in a year or so and have to increase it even more when they resign Beckett. Remember how much they shelled out for Dice K as well. I think Franklin is going in the right direction with his blog. I enjoy reading all of your comments. It makes me look at things from different angles, however, I still think we should keep the homegrown talent and reap the rewards in 2-3 years.

  35. larry January 5th, 2008 at 1:03 am

    “There are no indications that the Yankees will suddenly get back into the mix for Johan Santana.”

    The Tampa Post-Star: Steinbrenner would still like Yankees to trade for Santana

    Fox Steinbrenner ‘leaning towards’ Santana deal

    The Associated Press: Yankees still ready to deal for Santana

    USA Today: Steinbrenner ‘still leaning’ toward making pitch for Santana

    And the author of this blog is STILL emailing me about how he was right… Boy, if only there were SOME “indications”… :-/

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