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The latest from Chairman Hank

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 04, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Hank Steinbrenner stopped and talked to an AP reporter outside of Legends Field tonight. Here’s what he said about Johan Santana:

“Nothing is really decided at this point. I’m still leaning towards doing it. There’s others leaning not to do it. There are some others that are leaning to do it also. Disagreements within the organization. Nothing major, but just different opinions. I’ve changed my opinion a couple times.”

On Brian Cashman: “I always told him, `I’m going to make the final decisions because when you’re the owner you should.’ He is the general manager, and he has the right to talk me out of it and he has talked me out of some things.”

The Twins must be loving this. Cashman is like a poker player who’s buddy is standing behind him saying, “Wow, you have two kings.”

Hank also said that Tino Martinez would join the crew of guest instructors at spring training and that Luis Sojo is returning as the manager of Class A Tampa.

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87 Responses to “The latest from Chairman Hank”

  1. Jim PA January 4th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Hank sounds alot like the Seinfeld version of his father. Scary…

  2. Scooter January 4th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    If Hank gets advice from his baseball people (like Cashman), why the heck aren’t his baseball people advising him that these statements really hurt any negotiations with the Twins?

    This statement serves absolutely no positive purpose

    In fact, it’s out and out stupid UNLESS it’s some sort of PR cover for Hank if the Mets or Sox trade for Santana – “I wanted to do it, but…”

  3. whoa January 4th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    JUST SHUT UP!

  4. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 4th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    Eee, welcome back Tino and Sojo!

  5. Phil January 4th, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Wow, spot on, Pete. Hank is showing everyone the cards in the Yanks hand.

    I wonder how Cash feels about all of this. I’m just hoping Cash is feeding things to Hank to say to throw off other clubs…but that would be too good to be true.

  6. Jordan January 4th, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    this is the mouth that never ends. yes it goes on and on my friends…

  7. Buddy Biancalana January 4th, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    The Twins must be loving this. Cashman is like a poker player who’s buddy is standing behind him saying, “Wow, you have two kings.”

    —————————————————————-

    Classic Pete!

  8. Giuseppe Franco January 4th, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    I’m so tired of Hank opening his big stupid mouth. He’s like the Energizer Bunny.

    Just shut up and let the grown-ups handle the media.

  9. Buddy Biancalana January 4th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    River Ave Blues has some good things to say about Heath Phillips who the Yanks just signed to a minor league deal.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....lips-1931/

  10. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 4th, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    Heath related to Andy?

  11. UtilityManDad January 4th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Glad to see Jason Brown get signed to a minor league deal….that is one very nice guy……great teacher to the young catchers in the minors…..I have witnessed it during spring training and in Trenton.

    Yea for Sojo!!!Maybe Cairo now can join his coaching staff!

  12. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 4th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Auh TINO!!! Glad to see he will be back, even if it is only for Spring Taining. Any word if Paulie will be back.

  13. UtilityManDad January 4th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    I dont think so Rebecca…………I thought that myself when I heard of Brandon Phillips the 2B who played for the Reds…but that wasnt possible.

  14. Fernando Alejandro January 4th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Hank, shut the crap up.

    I hate to say it, but waive good bye to Cashman. There’s no way he takes another contract with the Yankees after this season. He fought so hard to get control, he gets it for a season, and then Hank takes it away. I can almost guarantee it, Cashman will be gone.

  15. Bob January 4th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Wasn’t part of Cashman’s contract that he has contol over baseball decisions?

    Sure, I can undertand an owner having to sign off on a major contract, but other than that let the damn GM run the show, that’s what he’s paid for.

    I guess we now know why George originally wanted an in-law to take over the team and not his half wit sons. This every other day comment stuff from Hank is really starting to get old.

  16. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 4th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Are we getting registration??
    http://beta.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

    :D

  17. Drew January 4th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Good God Hank…Shut up already!

  18. Fernando Alejandro January 4th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    I’ll admit, I liked Hank being vocal at first, but now when he’s getting so involved with Cashman’s work he is getting ridiculously annoying. Cashman’s been doing this longer, let him make the decision.

    Its like getting a new boss that starts taking over your work and telling you how to do the job you’ve been doing succesfully for years. It doesn’t matter to them that you know more about your job than they do, they’re the boss and they make the decisions. They mess up your work, and they’re so ignorant they don’t even notice. That’s Hank right now.

    Stick to making cocky comments to the media, and let Cashman run the baseball operations.

  19. kasey January 4th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    can we hear from those folks who think ol’ hank isn’t doing anything to weaken the team’s negotiations again, please? feel free to chime in anytime.

    what a clown.

  20. Jay January 4th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    The Twins must be loving this. Cashman is like a poker player who’s buddy is standing behind him saying, “Wow, you have two kings.”
    —–

    This is a very true statement. Someone needs to tape Hank’s mouth shut pronto.

    By the way, the word is “whose” — “…poker player whose buddy is standing…”

  21. thu January 4th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Please god let goerge disown Hank as a son and take him off the will.

  22. whoa January 4th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Bob January 4th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Wasn’t part of Cashman’s contract that he has contol over baseball decisions?

    Cashman received assurances during the negotiations, but it was not part of the four corners of the contract according to the New York Times:

    “It may be a symbolic gesture, but what it symbolizes means everything to Cashman. Though it is not spelled out in his contract, Cashman said that he received an understanding that he, and only he, would sit atop the chain of command in the Yankees’ fractured baseball operations department.”

  23. JonMichel January 4th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    After, what Hank said this deal will get done now.

  24. Steve January 4th, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    “This is a very true statement. Someone needs to tape Hank’s mouth shut pronto.

    By the way, the word is “whose” — “…poker player whose buddy is standing…””

    Actually, the original post is correct I think. In the sentence he used “who’s” as a contraction of “who is,” which is correct. “Whose” is used as a possessive form of “who.” Such as “Whose dog is this?”.

  25. CaptainsCorner January 4th, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Hank PLEASE shut up!!! If you are leaning towards trading for him then do it and then talk to the media AFTER not before!!! Cash is going to have to start paying the media not to call Hank. Or wait does the media call Hank OR does Hank call the media? He sounds like a 10 year old boy who just walked into a candy store and doesn’t know what to look at first the way he is “friends” with the media!! Also anyone that thinks giving a player $150m is not up to an owner is nuts!! Any $$ decision is up to the owner but especially one that costs that amount of money. Everyone says Santana is not worth all of that money but I would rather give $150m to him a proven ace then completely waste the money in seperate deals like Igawa, Pavano, Wright, Farns and Mussina(the 2nd year). They could of thrown all of that money down the toilet. Which equals about $145m. So let me guess they don’t trade for Santana because it is too much money and then Cash gives Benson or another garbage pitcher $40.. Sounds about right

  26. Doreen January 4th, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    So, Hank said he will make the final decision. Do you think that that’s odd? He also said he can be persuaded, which is Cashman’s responsibility – to persuade the owner to see his point of view. So far, no deal has been done, so I would say Cashman’s opinion and advice has so far been carrying some weight. I don’t believe Cashman is so naive as to think he would have final say over the OWNER.

  27. PAT M. January 4th, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Maybe we’ll see a slight power struggle between the flamboyent Hank and the bean counter Hal, as Cashman holds the deciding vote of opinion……So in a way Cash still has some leverage in Baseball operations……It should be interesting as time goes on…….Spoke with former Yank Craig Wilson today….He’s rehabing from an off season minor surgery…..He loved his time in NY, as he discribed it as a ballplayers dream come true….He said all that Jeter and A-Rod crap is just that, crap……He’s hoping to catch on with a So. Cal team….If he only could hit righthanders……

  28. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 4th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    OMG Jenn, you have my hopes up so high right now…

  29. Jon January 4th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    This guy is worse than his father…well maybe not yet…but what’s the point of all this? Cashman won’t re-sign if his Hank makes all the baseball decisions.

  30. li January 4th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    Hank is fun.

  31. Joel January 4th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    All of this means nothing…

    Hank is a controlling general partner

    Hall is the MBA who is also a controlling general partner and he was the one put in control of the finances based on his financial background.

    Hall doesnt want to commit 200M to a pitcher & Cashman is also against the move also.

    Hank can yap all he wants, he cant make the move without his brother’s approval.

  32. VTyankee fan January 4th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    Hank has the old man’s mouth but not his brains, luckily brother Hal seems to listen to Cashman thus no rash deals to get Santana

  33. mel January 4th, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    kasey,

    I was thinking the same thing. Remember how everyone was cooing, “He’s so refreshing.”

    When you have to continually say you’re in control when it’s clear that there are many people involved. and when you talk using “mine” instead of “ours” that’s classic megalomania.

  34. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 5th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    Definitley trusting Brian more than anyone right now.

  35. Buddy Biancalana January 5th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    If Cashman were to leave after this season, I am curious of where he would land.

  36. MIke January 5th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    we getting santana than sabathia after next season

  37. Fernando Alejandro January 5th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    Hank is ruining a good thing right now. The Red Sox haven’t made that deal happen (shocker), and no other teams have stepped up. The Twins are going to have a hard time moving Santana before the season begins. The Yankees could have the best of both worlds. They could start the season with the kids, and if the kids don’t seem to be working out they could still make a deal mid season. And if the Twins are in contention and don’t want to move him mid-season, then we win out even bigger. We go after him hard as a free agent, keep the kids, lose the draft picks, and gain Santana. Hank is seriously in danger of out-bidding himself to make that deal happen.

  38. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 5th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    For the love of all things Yankee, I hope Cash doesn’t leave…

  39. Dee January 5th, 2008 at 12:38 am

    I love Hank for the cartoon character that he is. Life would be too dull without people like him (and I’m not being sarcastic).

  40. mel January 5th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    How old is Dyan Cannon now? Must be about 84. For goodness sake, she had Cary Grant’s love child.

  41. Buddy Biancalana January 5th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    The fact that Cashman chose not to negotiate an extension when offered recently is quite interesting to me.

  42. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 5th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Buddy: You have to look at his reason for it, though.

  43. mel January 5th, 2008 at 12:44 am

    Cashman’s one of the good guys. You know. A true Yankee. lol.

  44. ET90210 January 5th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Carlos Delgado is a moron! haha

    http://mlbfleecefactor.com/200.....best-team/

  45. J-Dawg January 5th, 2008 at 12:48 am

    I’ll admit that Hank is starting to scare me a bit, and he obviously has the power to make a trade at anytime, but I just don’t see him parting with two of the Big Three to get Santana. I think that it helps that Cashman has gained acclaim in his quest to stockpile young talent. Many of the fans are buying into what Cashman has done, and I believe that Hank recognizes that. Hank noticed how many people were wanting to keep Phil Hughes. Let’s just hope that Cashman and company can convince Hank that keeping everyone is the right thing to do.

  46. randyhater January 5th, 2008 at 12:48 am

    I said it three months ago and I’ll repeat it now: this yellow-fingered, attention-starved, Jim Dolan Jr. is the biggest threat to the future of the organization.

    You think it’s bad now? Wait until the games start and he’s holding court nightly in the stadium parking lot, questioning Girardi’s use of the pen, or A-Rod’s performance in the clutch, between drags on a Malboro Red.

    How long before Isaih Thomas becomes the new GM?

  47. Buddy Biancalana January 5th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    It’s a great bargaining position he is in. I just can’t imagine where else he would want to work. I mean how can you leave the Yankees?

  48. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 5th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    randyhater: Oh man, don’t go there. For the love of all things holy, don’t go there!

  49. â™ fleas January 5th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    Does anyone remember George Steinbrenner in his prime? I think not based on the comments here… Hank is mellow in comparison to a young Big Stein.

  50. larry January 5th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Boy, if only there were some “indications” the Yankees were going to be involved in the Santana thing…

    Hey BlogMeister, do me a favor… Do a little Google News Search on “Johan Santana” and see if you can find some “indications” that the Yankees are involved…

    Or just read your own blog. ;-)

  51. GreenBeret7 January 5th, 2008 at 1:17 am

    randyhater
    January 5th, 2008 at 12:48 am
    I said it three months ago and I’ll repeat it now: this yellow-fingered, attention-starved, Jim Dolan Jr. is the biggest threat to the future of the organization.

    You think it’s bad now? Wait until the games start and he’s holding court nightly in the stadium parking lot, questioning Girardi’s use of the pen, or A-Rod’s performance in the clutch, between drags on a Malboro Red.

    How long before Isaih Thomas becomes the new GM?

    ____________________________________________

    How would that make Hank Steinbrenner any different than most of the posters on this board or any other when it comes to second guessing Joe Torre on everything or complaining about Rodriguez?

  52. SAndMan January 5th, 2008 at 1:32 am

    Finally some Yankees reporting.Now lets get Santana and win.

  53. Fernando Alejandro January 5th, 2008 at 1:33 am

    The thing I’ve always appreciated about the Steinbrenner’s is that they’re fans of the game, and they’re fans of this team. The problem comes when they approach decisions about this team the way a fan would. That’s how we ended up with the all-star in every position lineup we had in 2005. I appreciate that they’re willing to do whatever it takes to make the Yankees win now, but if those all-star lineups told us anything its that all-star lineups do not get us world series championships.

    I take it back to the 1998 Yankees team that won 114 games. Our biggest slugger knocked out 28 homeruns and led the team with 123 RBI’s. One other player had over 100 RBI’s that season. No starting pitcher had under a 3 ERA, and two of them had a 4 + ERA. Yet, that team won 114 games. It was a well balanced team that didn’t rely on one tool to beat you.

  54. Paul V January 5th, 2008 at 1:35 am

    You people who all think you’re such slick negotiators are underestimating Hank again. Yes, he’s direct and he shoots off his mouth (I still find it refreshing after all the bland BS that most modern baseball people spew), but he’s not screwing anything up here. The Twins have known all along that we want him. They have known what we are willing to give up and they know that Cashman – that brilliant judge of pitching talent who gave us a parade of horrid losers the past few years – they know that he either does not want Santana for Hughes or that he is trying to bluff. There are no great secrets here, poker-style, as Peter is trying to suggest. Hank is just shooting his fat mouth off at from the hip; he is sincere, if quite mad, and it’s entertaining. NOT nearly as bad as George in his prime, as someone mentioned, but entertaining nonetheless. The fun days of insanity are back; someone is at least at the helm again. Stop taking yourselves so freaking seriously and just enjoy the show.

  55. Josh January 5th, 2008 at 3:49 am

    i love the type of cashman support here…as if cashman was even 5% responsible for taking and developing joba, hughes, and kennedy …damon oppenheimer and nardi contreras are probably the two most responsible…

    look, i like cashman, i support him, but he hasnt exactly proven to be a baseball genius in the past few years with his “complete power”

  56. Josh January 5th, 2008 at 3:54 am

    and yeah, i want johan santana because phil hughes can only dream of one day becoming the pitcher santana is right now…and i know the likelihood of that is very slim because otherwise the edwin jackson’s, greg miller’s, jesse foppert’s, juan cruz’s, bruce chen’s, matt white’s, jon rauch’s and on an on and on would all have multiple cy young’s by now if it wasnt

  57. SJ44 January 5th, 2008 at 6:03 am

    Or……Perhaps the situation has reached the point where the Twins asked for the best offers from all the teams involved, received them, and its now a question of either doing the deal or not doing the deal.

    I doubt anything Hank says is going to change the terms of the deal.

    Some of you act as if he has never done a deal before in his life.

  58. Hiyooodoin January 5th, 2008 at 8:18 am

    Regardless of what pitching they have this is what the offense needs to do again> The 95-2001 Teams did this kinda thing: Bunt, hit-and-run, move runners over, steal bases instead of waiting for the 3 run homer that never comes. As a result, too many K’s, popups and double plays, all known to kill ralys> look at what happen to Jeter & Matsui in the playoffs this past year. Meanwhile the opposing teams chip away doing the aforementioned and by the 6th inning there is a way too big deficit to overcome against solid bullpens. This is exactly what has happened to the Yanks the last 7 seasons. Cleveland is the best example of this.

  59. Hiyooodoin January 5th, 2008 at 8:46 am

    Fernando Alejandro Paul V and Josh have the best comments in my opinion.

    Cashman is way overrated, as is Joe Torre in my opinion. GMs/Managers have done way more with half less talent than the Yanks> 2002 Angels,2003 Marlins,2006 Cardinals, 2007 Indians…If Mike Scioscia had the talent the Yankes have had since 2001, the Angels would’ve won probably 5 of the seven years that the Yanks have not.

    Also, Cashman is responsible for Pavano,not keepng Jeff Nelson before he went to Seattle, Higawa, Irabu, Contreras, the other heralded Cuban pitcher that never amounted to anything, Farnsworth, Randy Johnson, Proctor for/Wilson Betemit, re-signing Mussina for 2 years, Clemens for half a season,not even attempting to trade Giambi,Matsui for bullpen help & or prospects,etc,etc,etc.

    Hank does run his mouth but he is from a more Horse racing backgournd were the negotiations are more transparent because after all, there are no gurantees that the horse will make it to race day. Even if they do, will they win? So there is not much hiding that needs to take place..

    Hughes is already injury prone (think Prior/Wood Cubs)and will never get to be as good as Santana is/will be for the next 3 years at least. Yes is good, and I think he will be very good but never a #1 level for the Yankees. Especially considering that 15-17 starts will be at Yankee Stadium, a lefty pitcher will benefit wayyy more that even a good righty. Think Pettitte, Wells, Jimmy Key an with a lights out Santana pitching, that can yield you 15-17 sure wins during those starts…

    The problem is that I would be cautious about more than 5 years, otherwise you will have another Pedro situation with last 2-3 years of that contract. A 4 year extension past this season would be great!

  60. Hiyooodoin January 5th, 2008 at 8:55 am

    Got to admit that Hank is a fan’s owner because he seems to be a no BS owner, not good for management or PR stuff, but good for the fan because his intentions and thoughts are clear and open.

    He made comments that Torre, Cashman, Mariano, nor the Twins like to hear but the fact is that he is right. The pushy truth may not feel good but it still is the truth. That doesn’t do too well with some businesses, baseball being one of them, but at least the fanbase gets what they want, and in a business, that is all that matters anyway. Keep customers happy!

    I actually like Hank, he tells is like it is. Like what he said about Mariano, that he was old> and that he was getting 5 mil more than the next highest for 1 more year than anyone was willing to pay for someone that isn’t even the best closer anymore. Imagine what guys like Papelbon will demand? A certain guy in San Diego actually had better numbers than Mariano last year and makes about 8 mil less than Mariano will make this year, hmmmmm. Truth can hurt!

  61. Nick January 5th, 2008 at 9:22 am

    Bill Smith of the Twins doesn’t come across as a “gentlemen’s agreement” type of guy. He could have a deal in place with the Yankees and still turn around and attempt to weasel one last player out of Boston.

  62. Drive 4-5 January 5th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Forget Hank. We want to hear what Bobcat Bob has to say! :)

  63. bodhisattva January 5th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    To all you people here who project Hughes to be a No.3 starter. You can’t evaluate talent. You aren’t getting it that the Phil Hughes who threw a virtual no hitter in Texas and the Phil Hughes who bailed out Roger’s butt in OUR ONLY POSTSEASON VICTORY FACING ELIMINATION is the genuine article, not the kid who could not get his legs under him due to hamstring AND ankle injuries (that will affect a pitcher’s command and velocity, but you’d only know that if you understood pitching, instead of dismissing a gem because you can’t keep your **** in your pants just because SOMEONE ELSE’S accomplished pitcher is up for grabs).

    It’s funny: people like you, who have no regard for continuity, no patience and no JOY in the concept of developing our OWN players, you ALWAYS WANT TO GET RID OF THE YOUNGEST, MOST PROMISING YANKEES. If anyone is under 25, you want them traded for somebody “proven.” Get lost. You are losers who have ZERO faith in anything. It’s clear you don’t take risks in your life, your heart is the size of an edamame pod, you want to run the table on someone else’s laurels. How many of you IDIOTS wanted – and still would – dismiss Cano? (He hit .333 in postseason and is about to fulfill his enormous potential in 2008). You have NO SOLUTION to Melky’s replacement (if anyone here says Brett Gardner, 10 to 1 you have never seen him play; if you say Johnny Damon, you need to review baseball 101 if you think we can get away with him in CF). It’s funny: OUR KIDS had the best showing against the Indians, a team with KEY YOUNG PLAYERS. Melky hit that solo homer that almost stood up and threw a guy out at the plate – all in a close game; Cano was .333 BA and .375 OBP, Joba had to be derailed by a supernatural event – mere mortals weren’t up to it; and HUGHES? he showed why y’all need to take your “prospect” talk and shove it: he was clutch in the allegedly terrifying atmosphere of Yankee Stadium, shut it down after Roger had a 2003-ALCS-like repeat breakdown, and pitched more like “Clemens” than Clemens. (Mariano was brilliant, but then, he’s ageless). Hmmm….I WONDER if there’s a connection between not only these kids’ ability, but maybe their YOUTH? Maybe they’re not BEAT UP by October like our geriatric boys, eh? But YOU want to GET RID of them. Like I said: no guts, no vision, and no patience. Why don’t you just root for the Red Sox and be done with it.

  64. Drive 4-5 January 5th, 2008 at 10:13 am

    As the Yanks take more negative publicity with the Congressional hearings I would not be the least bit surprised to see them make the Santana deal. Like the trade or not, they would see it as a way for them to get the Yankees on the back page of the tabloids in a more positive manner.

  65. NYPD113th January 5th, 2008 at 10:31 am

    “As the Yanks take more negative publicity with the Congressional hearings I would not be the least bit surprised to see them make the Santana deal. Like the trade or not, they would see it as a way for them to get the Yankees on the back page of the tabloids in a more positive manner.”

    -Maybe for a couple days and ONLY in NY. Other than that, the daily steroid circus that seems to be surrounding the Yanks will dominate the papers.

  66. NYPD113th January 5th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    Dear Hank,

    KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

    Love,

    Theo

  67. Bill Klein January 5th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    I wonder if the Twins and Yankees would consider a deal without Melky. The Twins could get Hughes, Kennedy, Austin Jackson and Marquez. The Yankees get to keep Melky as their centerfielder of the future. There is a lot of panic in New York over Damon or someone else playing centerfield.
    The Twins could take a prospect that’s 2 years or so away in Jackson, get the two pitchers they really want (Hughes & Kennedy) get a prospect in Marquez and then make a deal for
    Crisp or sign someone like Cameron. The Yankees get Santana, (they can’t compete with the Red Sox with their “kid’ pitchers unless they abuse them in the short term). And the Yanks still keep their starting CF. I think this could work until the Red Sox get wind of it and then offer Ellsbury, Lester, Lowrie and maybe Masterson or a lower level prospect. Then the Twins tell the Yanks “Thanks, but no thanks…we’ll take the Boston deal.

  68. ken777 January 5th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    i would like to know why Cash gets all the sh– when a deal goes wrong…some of which he had nothing to do with, the boss said do it. But, on all the right moves…no props! Remember how many times back when Pavano, Nelly, Contreres etc, Cash was told “The guys in Tampa” want this guy or that guy? So, let us not put it all on his back. What say we see how this thing works out before we hang him out to dry.

  69. LaughingBostonFan January 5th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Hank is a joke Yankee fans. He will single-handedly destroy your team. “A-rod is dead to us, ugh, I mean, let’s bring him back.” “We are closing the door on Santana, ugh, now I’m undecided.” Give me a break.. be man make an offer and go for it or just shut the hell up.

  70. ken777 January 5th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    bodhisattva/Hiyooodoin
    Before I sign off for the week…Where have you been? You said what I have been wanting to say for some time. Being as I am new here, I thought I would let it all pass. So, again…Thank You.

  71. Stu B January 5th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Don’t the Twins have a say in the matter?

    I never thought this was possible, but this guy Hank seems to be even more of a jerkwad and blowhard than George was back in the day…at least George made the money…Hank’s just a member of the Lucky Sperm Club!

  72. Stu B January 5th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Well said, bodhisattva!

  73. Josh January 5th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    here’s a test for the “save phil hughes” crowd…if he was on the BoSox and they offered him for Santana, would any of you think that was a poor deal for the sox? Would any of you think it was an absolute steal for Johan?

    The money argument is a legitimate point given the length of the contract but the fact is you all have an unhealthy attachment to him. You guys act like he’s you’re son. When you make trades based on “feelings” you should re-think your position.

    I like phil hughes, i like him a lot. Santana is probably the only player i’d trade him for. But everyone has seen how many odd and disastrous things that happen to the games best pitching prospects. When you weight that against acquiring one of the top pitching talents of all time, ya gotta make the deal.

    Billy Beane has said that if you make a trade and it doesnt hurt, it wasnt a fair deal. Well almost no one on this site understands that.

  74. SJ44 January 5th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Josh,

    Exactly.

    I admit to going back and forth on this. If it was Joba for Santana, I’d pass.

    However, if Hughes is in the deal, and it can be made without Smith taking it to Boston for yet another go round, I say they have to do it.

    Johan Santana is neither “old” nor “shot”. He is only 28 years old and his mechanics and style of pitching lend to him staying in good health.

    This team needs an ace. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

    We dance around the subject and hope somebody from within emerges. Not necessarily the best strategy.

    Put it another way. The Yankees finished TWO games behind the Red Sox this year.

    If Johan Santana pitched for the Yankees in 2007, does anybody really believe he isn’t worth two more wins?

    The money? That, NOT Hughes, is the big consideration, and I respect the Yankees hesitation on that front.

    But, Phil Hughes in a package for Johan Santana? I’m sorry but, you have to make that deal.

    If Hughes becomes a great pitcher, you can sign him to a FA contract in 5 years, when he will only be 26. Santana, at that time, will only be 34.

    We all wanted Andy Pettitte back this year and he is 35 so, the age thing means nothing to me.

    You can’t keep every prospect and Johan Santana is just about the only guy in baseball I would trade Hughes for at this time.

    Hopefully, Hank wins this battle. If Cash doesn’t like it, he can always resign.

    Its not like Cash’s pitching decisions have been golden.

    This may be an instance where the co-owner may be right, lack of “baseball knowledge” and all.

  75. Fred January 5th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Question…do you think the Twins want to make either the Yanks or Sox better? I think they keep him until June or trade with an NL team

  76. Jonathon January 5th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    I said it during the whole Torre fiasco. Hankee is a moron. He’s a kid out for a joy ride in his Dad’s Ferrari with no regard for the prize he now holds in his hands. Problem is, this Ferrari means a lot to many people.

    I don’t know why he can’t just stick with the plan. Go with the organizationally developed players. I hate paying for other teams past success. Santana is the past…Hughes is the future.

    Respected baseball people see it. Why can’t he? It’ll be such a mistake.

    I hate this stupid deal. It’s like having herpes. Everytime you think it’s gone, it flares up, bringing an intense, burning, annoying itch.

  77. george January 5th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Hank is turning this into a fiasco. He said there was a deadline to the Hughes version of the trade. Now he has to back it up and say Hughes is going nowhere.

    which leaves the door open for a non-Hughes version of the trade. Arguably, the Yanks could make the most competitive offer & still retain Hughes/Joba.

  78. Mo January 5th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Wow, you guys have had the wool pulled over your eyes. What Hank is doing is brilliant. By “staying” in the hunt, they force the other teams to improve THEIR offer. Just what is the negative to him saying he’s in it, and leaning towards doing the deal? NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It’s not like their offer has improved. I’m actually surprised the Yankees haven’t done it. Hughes, Cabrera, Marquez and a lesser prospect for the best pitcher in the game? If the Yankees can pull this off, hats off to all of them.

    Hank’s standing behind Cashman saying “Wow, you have two kings”….but Cashman is holding three Aces. Wake up fellas.

  79. Stu B January 6th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Yo Mo, I repeat my earlier question, “Don’t the Twins have a say in the matter?”

    Maybe the reason the Yankees haven’t done it is that Hank is being unilateral and the Twins haven’t said that it is acceptable to them!

    Some members of Yankees Nation – especially Hank S – seem to have trouble grasping the idea that it takes 2 to tango, and to trade, and the Yankees can’t just make any deal and have any player they wish to, without input from the other club!

  80. Cate January 6th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    The Yanks will get Santana. And quite frankly, after the way the Twins pit the Yanks against the Bosox, I don’t blame the Yanks for being a little aloof.

  81. Stu B January 7th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    You can’t blame the Twins for playing the market to maximize Santana’s trade value…

    The Yankees will get Santana if, and only if, they make what the Twins feel is the best offer and the Twins accept it…who knows? maybe the Red Sox will get him instead…you’ll just have to wait and wonder…

  82. JoJo January 8th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    YEAAAHHHHHHH BOY

  83. JoJo January 8th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    SKeet Skeet Skeet

  84. MetsMan January 10th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    From the Minneapolis Star-Tribune…

    MINNEAPOLIS — Since the Johan Santana sweepstakes began in late November, the Yankees and the Red Sox have been considered the frontrunners in the race for the ace.
    But that title may now be shifting to another club — the Mets.

    The Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported Thursday that the Twins are interested in a package the Mets have offered. It includes top pitching prospect Deolis Guerra, outfielder Carlos Gomez and pitchers Kevin Mulvey and Phil Humber.

    The report also stated the deal could be sealed if the Mets agree to also include coveted outfield prospect Fernando Martinez.

    Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Yankees fans!

  85. Mo January 11th, 2008 at 3:48 am

    To tell you the truth, I don’t mind if he goes to the Mets. As long as the Sox don’t get him, I really don’t care. It’s not like the Mets are anything but second-class in New York at this time.

    If they had Santana, they wouldn’t have had the biggest collapse in baseball history, but if I was the Twins, I like what the Yankees offered, then Red Sox, and then the Mets.

  86. MetsMan January 11th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Yo Mo…

    I can’t see how the Twins would agree with you, especially if the Stems add Martinez, although I think that would make it much too expensive and a bad deal for the Mets…

    An additional factor, though I don’t know how significant to the Twinkies, is that they’d prefer to trade Santana out of the AL…

  87. MetsMan January 12th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Another thing, Mr. Mo…it’s not really accurate to describe the Stems as “second-class in New York at this time” in any kind of clear-cut fashion…yeah, they collapsed last year, but it’s not like the Yankees have done a whole helluva lot in the last 6 or 7 years either, so they and their fans could stand a slice or two of humble pie…

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