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Hot Stove Mailbag No. 7

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 05, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

images.jpegJennifer writes: Why is it that only Andy Pettitte, Roger Clemens and Chuck Knoblach were called before Congress? If they are calling Andy for using HGH twice, why wasn’t Brian Roberts called for using ‘roids only once? It looks like a witch hunt against Roger to me. They know Andy told the truth and are looking for get him to testify against Roger and coroborate McNamee statements. This is unfair in my eyes. If you are calling players named in the report, than they also should call the Roberts, Gagnes and Donelleys in the report. They aren’t compelled to testify, right? But if they decline it will only make them look guilty in some peoples eyes. And doesn’t Congress have more important things going on than to call people in a clearly not complete report?

Answer: Not much I can argue with there, Jennifer. Calling just the Yankees seems like a total publicity stunt. The Congressmen get to wax poetic about baseball and grill the great Clemens on CNN, ESPN and everywhere in between. Chuck Knoblauch? Really? His words will add to the public discourse? If nothing else, we’ll see what the Rocket says under oath.

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Larry writes: How do the Marlins get away with having a payroll that is possibly less than the revenue sharing check they get? From everything I have seen of this owner (Jeffrey Loria) whether in Montreal or Miami, he is always crying about his situation but does little to build a team worthy of attending. I do think it disgraceful that MLB allows him to get away with it. What is your take on it?

Answer: It is disgraceful, Larry. But the Marlins did win the Series in 2003 and were competitive in ’04, ’05 and much of ’06. They’ve spent their money better than a lot of teams.

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David writes: Given the youth and potential innings limitations of the projected Yankees pitching staff, what are the odds that Girardi will employ a non-traditional rotation of any sort? I’ve seen discussion of a six man rotation, modified six man rotation or tag-team starters Where do you think the team is right now with respect to Kennedy vs. Mussina as the fifth starter (assuming a traditional five man rotation)? Do you think it will be spring training – or a winter deal – that will most heavily impact their decision?

Answer: There will be no six-man rotation, Joe Girardi has already said that. Why limit the starts of Chien-Ming Wang and Andy Pettitte? Clearly there will have to be some flexibility for the younger guys, but that will likely be a fluid process throughout the season. It’s usually impossible to plan ahead more than a week or two. I think if Moose pitches well in the spring, he’ll get a job. He is getting $11 million, after all.

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Dominic writes: Any news on the condition of Bob Sheppard? I remember he didn’t announce at the end of the 2007 season. Is he a go for 2008?

Answer: I e-mailed media relations director Jason Zillo and he replied thusly: “Mr. Sheppard is feeling much better and is scheduled to resume his position behind the mic for Opening Day.” So that is good news.

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T.J. writes: I am actually a friend of the family of Darrell Rasner and when I saw that he had been released by the Yanks, I was upset. When I heard he had been signed to a minor-league deal and invited to spring training, I was excited. I also read that he was released because Carl Pavano would not take a minor league deal. Why didn’t Pavano do that, does he really think he is worth it to stay on the 40-man roster? Also do you think that Rasner will make the roster and be in the bullpen? I think he can help the Yankees if he can stay healthy.

Answer: Darrell is a good guy and hopefully he can say healthy. That’s really the first step for so many guys. If so, he has a chance to make the team in the bullpen. In a stunning upset, Pavano went the selfish route and kept his 40-man roster spot when the Yankees asked him to take a minor-league deal. He wanted more service time to collect his pension. Because, you know, $40 million lasts only so long. The Yankees need him in the organization to be able to collect insurance on his (useless) contract.

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David writes: Yankee fans from my generation remember Bobby Meacham as a young, unimpressive, light-hitting shortstop with an erratic arm. To be honest, I had thought he had fallen into baseball oblivion, but now here he is as the Yankees third base coach. Could you briefly fill us in on what he’s been up to, what his credentials are, and how he compares with other coaches?

Answer: Meacham has worked as MLB coach Marlins (2006 under Girardi) and Padres (2007). He was a minor-league coach and manager from 1992-2005 with the Pirates, Rockies, Royals and Angels. He obviously has a lot of experience as a coach. I can’t tell you how he compares to other coaches because I haven’t had an opportunity to watch him work. But Girardi trusts him and wanted him on the staff.

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Brendon writes: I heard a rumor that Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish was on the Yankees radar for 2009. I heard he is good and his contract could excede Matsuzaka and that his posting fee will be high. Who is this guy and are the Yankees serious on spending more than 50 million to talk to him?

Answer: Yes, Virginia, there is a Yu Darvish. He’s a skinny (6-5, 185) right-hander with the Nippon Ham Fighters in Japan. He’s Iranian-Japanese (which means he’s a bit of a maniac, but polite about it). But he’s 21 and has only two seasons in the Japanese league. That means the Fighters have seven more seasons before he’ll become a free agent. Why would they post him now? Darvish was 15-5, 1.82 last season. He is reportedly engaged to Japanese hottie Saeko Dokyu.

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Chrissa writes: For whatever reason, the Yankees do not want Doug Mientkiewicz. What if Shelley Duncan can’t play first base? (Love his enthusiasm but never heard of a Major Leaguer without an actual position). What is Plan B? Giambi should be Plan X or Y.

Answer: Wilson Betemit … Juan Miranda … Johnny Damon. … Jorge Posada once in a while. I get the idea that the Yankees plan to throw assorted folks out their until they can make a play for Mark Teixeira next year.

Thanks for all the good questions.

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132 Responses to “Hot Stove Mailbag No. 7”

  1. Buddy Biancalana January 5th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Yes, Virginia, there is a Yu Darvish. He’s a skinny (6-5, 185) right-hander with the Nippon Ham Fighters in Japan. He’s Iranian-Japanese (which means he’s a bit of a maniac, but polite about it).

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    Lol!

  2. Chuck January 5th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    The panel put together for the congressional hearing is ill conceived. Two admitted suppliers and three former/current Yankees that all allegedly dealt with the lesser of the two admitted dealers. What is that? How about all the Dodgers? Orioles? What can Knoblauch add? (Does someone have some secret info that Chucky K is going to corroborate MacNamee’s story).

    Hmmm.

    (Full disclosure: I am not Chuck Knoblauch, but I once caught a ball he threw wildly to the ballboy while warming up. What a train wreck.)

  3. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 5th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Great questions, better answers.

  4. Buddy Biancalana January 5th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    My memory of Bobby Meacham is when he & Dale Berra were thrown out consecutively at home plate within like 10 feet of each other. Carlton Fisk was salivating at that play as it was unflolding.

  5. Buddy Biancalana January 5th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    Chuck-

    That’s pretty cool about the Knoblauch ball. I caught a batting practice HR by Darryl Strawberry in the bleachers on the fly right before Game 1 of the 1996 World Series. It was the only highlight after the Yanks lost 12-1.

  6. horace clark January 5th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    hope nobody asks knobby to toss them a pen

  7. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    like it or not, i cant wait to see this hearing! High Drama!

  8. keith olbermann's mom January 5th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    I love Chuck Knoblauch :)

  9. VTyankee fan January 5th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    I think its pathetic that Pavano collects service time on his pension pension for doing basicaly nothing to earn it. While guys that could contribute languish in the minors.

  10. pat January 5th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    (which means he’s a bit of a maniac, but polite about it).

    I’m sure the PC police will chime in shortly but that will have me chuckling for hours thinking about it.

  11. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 5th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    pat, that is what I was thinking too. :lol:

  12. yanks61 January 5th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Great question and answer Jennifer and Peter. I really wonder why Congress can’t just ‘invite’ the club rep for every club and ask them (without having to name names) if they know of any players on their club they ‘suspect’ of using PEDs and how many. We would then conceivably get a far fairer and more accurate picture of just how wide spread this is rather than just leaving the public with the impression that this is basically a Yankee thing.

    Should the club reps lie before Congress, I believe they’d be liable to criminal charges, so they’d have every incentive to tell the truth. If they refused to say anything, then the public would also be able to draw their own conclusions.

    Maybe we could get Murphydog’s take on this?

  13. murphydog January 5th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    On Congress calling Pettitte, Clemens and Knoblauch to testify.

    Mark Twain:

    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.

    Will Rogers:

    This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.

    Groucho Marx:

    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.

    Any questions?

  14. Blargh January 5th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    Hmm, that Saeko does look nice indeed
    Oh, um, yea, something more baseball related…uh…damn that Loria, again!

  15. Doreen January 5th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Pavano’s one of those guys who knows how to work the system, I guess.

  16. Doreen January 5th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    Pat, I thought it was funny, too, but I was lambasted last night already for being an insensitive racist, so I’m not sayin’ nuttin’ more. :)

  17. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    You guys know how I felt about the a-bomb calls, but I’m not offended with the Yu Darvish comment. Pete insulted the Iranian half, not the Japanese half so I’m o.k. with it. lol.

    So, who else besides Goose Gossage goes into the Hall? Results announced today.

  18. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 5th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Thanks yanks61

    mel- i thought it was announced Tuesday.

  19. Buddy Biancalana January 5th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Mel-

    HOF is on Tues Jan 8th.

  20. Buddy Biancalana January 5th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  21. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    You’re right, Jennifer. My old eyes (I’ve recently reached a new milestone)read today when it said Tuesday. Goose is on the telly right now making his case.

  22. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    turn to espn news, they asked him a question about roger. he blasted roger when it first came out, but now he’s “wait and see”, but there’s evidence…talking about records…

  23. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 5th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    If there was evidence why wasn’t it in the Mitchell report to begin with, along with all the copies of checks and awb stickers.

  24. whozat January 5th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    So, mlb.com started it’s yearly “around the horn” series where they discuss the situation at each position on each team’s website. I was curious as to what they had to say about saltalamacchia, so I checked out the report on the Rangers’ site.

    http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/n.....8;c_id=tex

    So, there’s Salty and Laird that are jockeying for position in the majors, and then a seemingly-legit guy slated to start at each minor league level behind them. And the Rangers are perennially starved for starting pitching. The Yankees have starting pitching in the high minors, and their best catching prospect is a guy who maybe had a breakout season in A ball…or maybe just had a good half season. I’d be interested in trying to pry away Taylor Tankersley, who’s put up very good hitting numbers in the minors and is slated to start at AAA at age 24. I’d not mind having him in AAA, pushing into the majors in the next year or two.

  25. Tony Womack Should Be Our Left Fielder Again January 5th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    You need to get Jennifer Nicole Lee, LoHoud Moms, out of here Pete. She keeps distracting me from reading the posts.

  26. whozat January 5th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    “If there was evidence why wasn’t it in the Mitchell report to begin with, along with all the copies of checks and awb stickers.”

    There isn’t evidence. If you squint, it looks like Roger “turned his career around” at the same time as McNamee claims he started roids. But, if you actually look, you can see that his peripherals in 98 were not that different than they were in 97. He struck out about 10 per 9 both years, and walked about one more per nine in 98.

  27. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 5th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    I read on another board I cannot verify the source, since they didn’t write where it came from.

    On Thursday, McNamee’s attorney, Earl Ward, said the former strength and conditioning coach of the Toronto Blue Jays and New York Yankees would be reluctant to appear before Congress due to his desire to move beyond the massive media attention his comments to Mitchell generated.

    “He’s not even living in his [New York] house anymore,” Ward said. “He wants to move on.”

    Pretty interesting, if he told the truth int he Mitchell report, why would he not want to participate. He had to know what would happen when Rogers name came out.

  28. murphydog January 5th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    yanks61:

    The committee can invite any witness they want and place them under oath. Lie under oath and it’s perjury and/or contempt of Congress I suppose. Your idea about calling club reps is original, but, realistically the committee isn’t interested in getting to the bottom of anything or redoing the Mitchell report. They want headlines, so they are calling headline players in order to generate the spectacle and attention. It’ll be a classic D.C. dog and pony show, with a lot of grave faces and speeches about kids and drugs and baseball, mom and apple pie. Knoblauch could, however, be a real eye-opener here. He’s got nothing to lose at this point from spilling his guts about the dangers of drugs and the prevalence of steroids in baseball. Maybe there’s a kiss and tell book in the offing. “Chuck Knoblauch: My Biggest Errors Were Made Off the Field.”

    Some facts:

    Waxman’s Committee has very broad jurisdiction.

    http://oversight.house.gov/rules/

    Of particular interest:

    Rule 8 — Subcommittees; Referrals

    (a) There shall be five standing subcommittees with appropriate party ratios… The subcommittees shall have the following fixed jurisdictions:

    (1) The Subcommittee on Domestic Policy – Oversight jurisdiction over domestic policies, including matters relating to energy, labor, education, criminal justice, and the economy. The Subcommittee also has legislative jurisdiction over the Office of National Drug Control Policy; [That's the Steroids link. Note also that Dennis Kucinich is the head of this subcommittee. Is this hearing being arranged, in part, to help prop up Kucinich's failing campaign?]

  29. Geo Diego January 5th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    The question about the six man rotation doesn’t answer the 3 week rotation solution (Pete asked why should Wang and Pettitte lose [extra time between] starts the 3 week rotation doesn’t make them lose starts). So what do you (Pete but anyone can answer) think about the 3 week rotation?

  30. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    whozat- sorry there IS evidence, the testimony or McNamee. and remember that there is also the admission of cheating by pettite that somewhat corrabarates McNamee. There is also the fact that he has been an elite pitcher far beyond the age where others have dropped off. there is also the fact that all this happened in the middle of the steroid era. This doesnt prove rocket guilty but to say there is no evidence is rediculous.
    Also when are all these yankee fans going to accept that yes some yankees DID cheat! just like every other team. stop with the lame excuses.
    Pettite is a cheater (nice guy though he is).
    Giambi is a cheater (i actuall like him alot too).
    There is eveidence that Sheffield is a cheater too. This isnt just something that happened somewhere else! If rocket didnt cheat then he has a chance to say so under oath and face his accuser directly. lets see what happens.

  31. murphydog January 5th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Doreen:

    “Pat, I thought it was funny, too, but I was lambasted last night already for being an insensitive racist, so I’m not sayin’ nuttin’ more.”

    I so wanted to sound off on that PC mugging you took last night but I decided to bite my tongue.

  32. where are they now department January 5th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    Unnamed sources say that Brian McNamee had an extreme facelift done and is living somewhere in the woods of Montana or Wyoming under the witness protection program.
    Kirk Radomski is in parts unknown.
    George P. Mitchell sits in his newly renovated plush office at Fenway Park in Boston as a Director of the Red Sox.

  33. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    radomsky is in a penetentiary and i saw a picture of McNamee just the other day, he must have had surgery to make him look like himself

  34. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 5th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    So are we like gonna be doing a live blog of the 60 minutes thing tomorrow or what?

  35. pat January 5th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Radomski’s sentencing was put off until February. Wonder if he’ll put on a big show in front of Congress to try and influence the judge who will sentence him.

  36. murphydog January 5th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    “He’s not even living in his [New York] house anymore,” Ward said. “He wants to move on.”

    Spoken like a real truth telling, credible witness 9dripping sarcasm). McNamee dropped his bomb, got his sweetheart deal and wants to move on without facing the music or any cross-examination. I wonder why? I mean, what could he possibly be afraid of if he’s just telling the truth.

    McNamee and his lawyers knew this deal was the deal of a lifetime. All he had to do was say the magic words “Roger Clemens” and his criminal case would go away. How good was this deal? Well, apparently there wasn’t even an agreement that McNamee’s plea bargain obligated him to attend and cooperate in further official investigations involving steroids in MLB. He only had to whisper Roger’s name once to Mitchell and he was done.

    I say that if McNamee doesn’t appear, Roger should flip Congress the bird. If his accuser won’t honor Congress with his testimony, I think that speaks loudest of all. I also really want an investigation into the decisions at IRS and the US Attorney’s Office to make this kind of a deal on a legitimate criminal case solely to help purely civil, private investigators and then not even require McNamee to assist law enforcement with testimony at further proceedings as needed.

  37. Juke Early January 5th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Everybody needs to remember Congress are people elected to represent the citizens of their states & in that role, make laws & help govern the USA as part of the legislative branch. However, most of them really represent powerful factions & are mostly concerned with staying in office & making huge fees for anything & everything. This includes media face time & ink, which in aids them in getting re-elected & strengthening their own power base in D.C.

    Very few of them are more than hacks & drones. Or they’d be ashamed that the NFL franchise in the Capitol of the United States, has the name of a racial epithet. Or that likely more football players are using dope than the MLB. No, the majority of them laugh it off as nothing while they look for cameras & lame jocks to grill, and teenagers to bust for music downloads. Hoping to attract a lobbyist with a bag full of laundry safe cash.

  38. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    murph, you left out the part where andy pettite corrabarated his testimomy

  39. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    1) baseball operates under an anti-trust exemption granted by congress
    2) cities and states have subsidized baseball in the Billions of dollars (including the yankees and mets)
    before they show up with hands out looking for more public money (and yes federal highway funds are always involved) maybe they should be willing to sit down for a couple of hours and answer some questions
    this is the definition of acting in the public interest

  40. murphydog January 5th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    pat:

    “Radomski’s sentencing was put off until February. Wonder if he’ll put on a big show in front of Congress to try and influence the judge who will sentence him.”

    You’re exactly right. If it’s the usual plea bargain where testimony is exchanged for favorable consideration on plea offer and sentence, Radmoski may earn extra points by testifying before Congress. The judge must be thinking that way because the sentencing was adjourned.

    Contrast that with McNamee’s deal where, if Ward is to be believed, McNamee can skip Congress and still keep the benefit of his deal. Looks to me like the IRS and US Attorney bent way over for McNamee because he gave them Roger Clemens, aka, Al Capone.

  41. murphydog January 5th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    “murph, you left out the part where andy pettite corrabarated
    his testimomy.”

    Really? Pettitte said Clemens used PEDs? I must have missed that one.

  42. murphydog January 5th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    The basis for the Congressional Steroid hearing is based on the jurisdiction of the Subcommitte on National Drug Control Policy, not highways, stadium bond issues or anything else.

    If every person who benefited from municipal bond issues, highways and special legislation were subject to Congress’ whims, we’d have nobody doing anything other than testifying before Congress. Acting in the public interest also includes elected officials not wasting taxpayer money holding dog and pony shows merely for the headlines.

  43. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    pettite admitted that he cheatd by using PED’s and did not refute McNamees assertion that he injected Pettite and Clemens. i never said that he corraberated that clemens was also injected. but in any court this goes directly to the veracity of McNamees testimony.
    tell me your opinion dog, do u think roger used PED’s, you seem so ready to shoot down mitchell, radomsky, McNamee and congress but you never actually back clemens. and dont hide behind innocent until proven guilty, i am asking you whether you think roger took ped’s

  44. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    let me say for the record that i do think roger took ped’s, since im asking you to

  45. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    I think most rational thinking people feel that Roger took PED’s. What most of us object to is that there is no fair way to tackle the issue. It should be all or nothing imo. Selectively calling players to testify in front of Congress is not the way to do it.

  46. Phil January 5th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    No, murph, Andy corroborated the testimony about Andy.

  47. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    murph,

    lol. Tough crowd, huh? I got your joke.

  48. Phil January 5th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    mel – agreed. Too many missing names on the Congressional panel’s asking list.

  49. E-ROC January 5th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Congress has nothing better to do then to hold another congressional hearing on baseball. That’s the American system for ya.

  50. pat January 5th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    In the NY Daily News today, McNamees lawyers say he will likely accept the invitation to appear before Congress and they will begin preparing him immediately.

    He went on to say that if Clemens appears and invokes the 5th, that’s as good as telling the public that McNamee is telling the truth and there would then not be any need for a defamation suit.

    That sounds like something the ACLU would jump all over.

  51. Patrick January 5th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    There is no way Darrell Rasner makes this team, if he does I will have some serious doubt about Girardi’s coaching ability.

  52. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    i am a yankees fan for over 40 years. i have been there when they were on top and in 1989. I am offended by ANYONE who wore the pinstripes and cheated! the includes Pettite. He disgraced the pinstripes. i give him credit for admitting it (but not for that lame non-appology) but he disgraced me and the yankees.
    i dont care who did what in cincinati, boston or toronto, i dont care that everyone else did it. anyone with a mother knows that if billy robbed a bank it doesnt make it okay for you to. I only care what people did when they wore the yankees uniform.
    I want to know if Roger Clemens disgraced the pinstripes by cheating. I dont care about mitchell, mcnamee or anyone else.
    Take care of our house first. I extend to him the presumtion of innocence until proven guilty and support his efforts to clear his name and go into the hall of fame, but i want to know.
    if it turns out that Roger cheated and now is lying about it, i am ashamed for him and for my Yankees, and i will never forgive him.

  53. Noname January 5th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Jennifer said, “I read on another board I cannot verify the source, since they didn’t write where it came from.

    ‘On Thursday, McNamee’s attorney, Earl Ward, said the former strength and conditioning coach of the Toronto Blue Jays and New York Yankees would be reluctant to appear before Congress due to his desire to move beyond the massive media attention his comments to Mitchell generated. ‘He’s not even living in his [New York] house anymore,’ Ward said. ‘He wants to move on.’ ”

    I can’t believe how many of you jumped on this post of a very likely fake news report as if it were fact. Where’s the link?

  54. Geo Diego January 5th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    David writes: Given the youth and potential innings limitations of the projected Yankees pitching staff, what are the odds that Girardi will employ a non-traditional rotation of any sort? I’ve seen discussion of a six man rotation, modified six man rotation or tag-team starters Where do you think the team is right now with respect to Kennedy vs. Mussina as the fifth starter (assuming a traditional five man rotation)? Do you think it will be spring training – or a winter deal – that will most heavily impact their decision?

    Answer: There will be no six-man rotation, Joe Girardi has already said that. Why limit the starts of Chien-Ming Wang and Andy Pettitte? Clearly there will have to be some flexibility for the younger guys, but that will likely be a fluid process throughout the season. It’s usually impossible to plan ahead more than a week or two. I think if Moose pitches well in the spring, he’ll get a job. He is getting $11 million, after all.

    The question about the six man rotation doesn’t answer the 3 week rotation solution (Pete asked why should Wang and Pettitte lose [extra time between] starts the 3 week rotation doesn’t make them lose starts). So what do you (Pete but anyone can answer) think about the 3 week rotation?

  55. Joe Go (Cano Fan) January 5th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Good Point Geo

  56. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    does anyone really think that a rookie manager and pitching coach are going to try some crazy scheme of moving the franchises 3 best prospects into and back out of the bullpen?

  57. Joe Go (Cano Fan) January 5th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    I think it’s the best solution
    1. It keeps them all in the majors
    2. It gives them all starts
    3. It limits their innings (pitches)
    What more can you ask for?

  58. Victor the Predictor January 5th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    Darrell Rasner and Jeff Karstens will battle it out in spring training for a long reliever/spot starter role.
    Mike Mussina will waive his no trade clause and accept a deal to either the Phillies or Mets with the Yankees picking up some of his $ 11.5M contract.

  59. murphydog January 5th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    “but in any court this goes directly to the veracity of McNamees testimony.”

    Pettitte corroborated the veracity of the testimony McNamee gave as to Pettitte, not Clemens. I supopose that does make McNamee look more, not less credible in general, but Roger has denied it, making it a swearing contest.

    There is far more about McNamee that says he is not credible than there is that says he is credible. He got a sweetheart deal, he lied in a prior criminal investigation, he allegedly slipped a woman a near lethal dose of a date rape drug…. Sorry, but Pettitte’s admission up against all the rest still makes McNamee’s credibility suspect when it comes to Roger.

    “and dont hide behind innocent until proven guilty, i am asking you whether you think roger took ped’s”

    Proceeding rationally and thoughtfully instead of emotionally is hardly hiding behind anything. The concept of “innocent until proven guilty” is more than just a purely criminal law technicality. It’s made its way into the general culture as part of how the American people demonstrate their fundamental fairness when asked to judge anyone for any reason.

    On the facts, Mitchell did an unprofessional and incomplete job. He knew the consequences of naming names on the evidence he used. In this business, when you are going after big names, the evidence has to be irrefutable, so much so that the targets are not even tempted to put up a fight. You use the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard, not because the law requires you to do so, but so that you avoid this kind of unending he-said, she-said nonsense.

    When Pete Rose was banned for betting, the evidence against him was nearly incontrovertible. That’s what prevented Rose from seriously contending that he didn’t do it. That was a report done right,and done in the best interests of the game.

    Here, Mitchell had a conflict of interest, did this part time, set artificial time limits on how long he would investigate and named his biggest names on the say so of a very dubious witness, who got a deal in return for saying the right name. This was not the right way to go about it.

    Did Clemens use PEDs? I don’t know. There are no positive PED tests, and no other direct evidence beyond the word of a witness who got a deal in exchange for implicating Clemens. So I really don’t know. And that’s a shame. Shame on Mitchell for not doing a better job.

  60. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    what more can i ask for, simply that my manager manages each game based on the situation and hand and not whether this is joba’s day to work 4 innings out of the bullpen so he can be on schedule to start again next tuesay, which will be phil’s day to pitch the 5th through 8th inings on the day before mussina pitches. this is the kind of scheme that is almost guarenteed to get girardi and eiland fired!

  61. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Geo,

    Keep the 3 vets on regular starts. Ian would get the bulk of the starts after that as he should be able to take on a full load. Joba and Hughes round out the rotation and should be prepared to pitch in some capacity every 5th day or so whether as a starter, out of the pen, or side session.

    Irregularities in the schedule, fatigue by the vets, or, heaven forbid, injuries will give Joba and Hughes a chance to get more starts as well.

    The only problem is Moose is not our 3rd best pitcher. sigh.

  62. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    murph nice dance but u didnt answer my question

  63. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    i miss bernie,

    Did you expect anything different? Murph’s a lawyer (j/k murphydog).

  64. Matt January 5th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Correct you are Murph. Mitchell should hang his head in shame for submitting an ill prepared report full of holes. Baseball history will treat this as a dark, erroneous chapter.

  65. pat January 5th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    I dont understand being offended by players who cheat and disgracing the pinstripes by cheating. Were you offended when Giambi got a big hit the last few years or did you cheer?

    The only people who should be disgraced are the player who cheated and anyone who assisted them in doing so. The only people who should be offended are the players who toiled in the minors if PED’s assisted someone else in taking a job that rightfully belonged to them.

  66. Kelli in Conn. January 5th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    40 more days until pitchers and catchers report to Legends Field in Tampa. Position players 5 days later.

  67. GreenBeret7 January 5th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Noname
    January 5th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
    Jennifer said, “I read on another board I cannot verify the source, since they didn’t write where it came from.

    I can’t believe how many of you jumped on this post of a very likely fake news report as if it were fact. Where’s the link?

    _________________________________________________

    Exactly how many jumped on this post? Jennifer put it on the board and said she was unable to verify it, which made it pretty clear to everybody else that as of now it was a rumor. One other person besides you responded and made it pretty clear that if it were true, how it would appear. Sounds like you’re the only one jumping on anything.

  68. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    so pat you’re saying that the fans should not care at all about whether the players they are rooting for (and whos salaries they are paying indirectly) are cheating?
    what gets me is all these people making excuses and attacking the messenger. im the only one on here standing up and saying this is wrong and i condemn it instead of worrying whether the yankees are getting a bum deal, or whether there was a yankees witch hunt.

  69. murphydog January 5th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    “murph nice dance but u didnt answer my question”

    No, I answered you. You just didn’t like the answer.

    I don’t know if Rocket did or didn’t do it. And neither do you, thanks to Mitchell.

  70. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    murph, and everyone else, the question was:” do u think roger clemens took PED’s?” i dont pretend to KNOW anything, i am asking your opinion since you have expressed very strong opiniong (of which you do not KNOW) about every other aspect of this situation.

  71. Doreen January 5th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    On last night’s sports report on, I believe Eyewitness News (ch. 7 where I live), they reported that Roger Clemens responded (I assume through his representative) to the invitation to speak in front of Congress by telling them he would if he could fit it into his schedule, because as of right now he has an obligation on January 16th. Has anyone else heard that?

    Murphydog-

    Thanks a lot! :) (I purposelly put in so many disclaimers as to my intent, I thought it’d be okay. Learned my lesson.)

  72. GreenBeret7 January 5th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    i miss bernie
    January 5th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
    so pat you’re saying that the fans should not care at all about whether the players they are rooting for (and whos salaries they are paying indirectly) are cheating?
    what gets me is all these people making excuses and attacking the messenger. im the only one on here standing up and saying this is wrong and i condemn it instead of worrying whether the yankees are getting a bum deal, or whether there was a yankees witch hunt.

    ____________________________________________________
    You also didn’t answer somebody’s question regarding Giambi hitting a homerun and your reaction afterwards. How about an answer?

  73. murphydog January 5th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    i miss bernie:

    “what gets me is all these people making excuses and attacking the messenger. im the only one on here standing up and saying this is wrong and i condemn it instead of worrying whether the yankees are getting a bum deal, or whether there was a yankees witch hunt.”

    We all agree that using PEDs is wrong. It needed to be rooted out and the culture had to be changed. But it’s hardly an act of courage to condemn someone specific without clear proof.

  74. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    green beret- you are correct, i didnt answer that question. i would greatly prefer that teams be allowed to release the people who are proved to or have admitted cheating. since this is not allowed, i dont expect the yankees to release giambi and pettite, although i would greatly support them should they decide to. of course this would cost them tens of millions of dollars. so we are stuck with these peole who cheated on our team.
    i also can forgive people who cheat, especially the ones who admit it and appologize, so i have to live with what it is. i still root for giambi and pettite and hope to hell that they and everybody else is not currently cheating.
    roger is another story, he is adamanty denying that he ever did ped’s and attacking the mitchell report and mcnamee. as i said above i extend the presumption of innocence, and i hope that he is right, but with that vehemece comes increased derision should he prove to be lying as well as being a cheater, just like pete rose

  75. GreenBeret7 January 5th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Doreen, Clemens is scheduled to speak on 10-12 January at the Texas High School Coaches Convention, but, I didn’t see where he said he had something specific on the days that he’s scheduled to appear before Congress, but, I also read what you did. However, as close as we are, Roger doesn’t tell me everything. Not sure why, because I spill my guts about everything.

  76. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    i meant to say that cancelling thier contracts is not allowed, obviously they are allowed to release the players but have to pay thier salary

  77. murphydog January 5th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Doreen:

    If something rhymes with something else, I think you are within your rights to make that observation. If you think a name is unusual among names in the US, and I would say Obama is such a name, I think you have every right to make that observation too.

    If someone suspects you are making these observations out of malice, racism or ignorance, then I think they made a bit of a leap to get there. But that’s the great thing about being a member of the Thought Police. They can read your mind ; )

  78. Joe Go (Cano Fan) January 5th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    The 3 week rotation is not so abnormal to do. After (let’s say) Hughes pitches a start 5-6 innings the other guy (Joba, Kennedy) comes in and pitches 2 innings relief (max 3 depends on pitch count). If we’re giving them long relief 4 innings we’re not saving the innings we want to save with the idea of starting two weeks and long reliefing one week (even though it keeps Wang and Pettitte not missing starts that’s not the WHOLE point of it). AND this idea can go on for a full year straight.

  79. ThatWasMe January 5th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Here’s the link for McNamee’s lawyer said his client would not

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/.....ome-center

  80. GreenBeret7 January 5th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Bernie, corked bats, grease-balls, spitballs, emery balls aren’t allowed either. Should they be released? So, it’s OK to cheat, then admit it and, you’re fine with that. Doesn’t sound as though you carried your shame and embarrassment too long.

  81. ThatWasMe January 5th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    On Thursday, McNamee’s attorney, Earl Ward, said the former strength and conditioning coach of the Toronto Blue Jays and New York Yankees would be reluctant to appear before Congress because of his desire to move beyond the massive media attention his comments to Mitchell generated.

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/.....ome-center

  82. pat January 5th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    i miss bernie

    No I’m saying that as a Yankee fan, I am disappointed in the choices that some players chose to make. Their individual choices in no way leaves me offended or has any impact on how I feel about the team. Players come and players go. The franchise and fans remain.

    So, have you cheered for a Giambi hit in the last few years? I’m a Yankee fan so while I was disappointed that he took steroids, I will still cheer for every hit he gets.

  83. ThatWasMe January 5th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    McNamee’s a comedian too. The train has left the station pal, little late for that.

    “because of his desire to move beyond the massive media attention his comments to Mitchell generated.”

  84. GreenBeret7 January 5th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    ThatwasMe, it looks like a way of getting out of testifying under oath to me. Looks rather skakey to me.

  85. pat January 5th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Doreen

    Clemens is scheduled to be playing in a charity golf tournament on the day he has been “invited” to testify before congress. I believe my husband said the Bob Hope Classic but don’t hold me to that.

  86. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    as i said id prefer that the yankees release the cheaters, even if it means putting them at a competitive disadvantage. but im not running the yankees so i dont have that option
    yes i still root for the yankees but i am ashamed of the actions of the people who cheated.

  87. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    so murph your stand in favor of the “fundimental fairness” of the presumption of innocence doesnt stop you from slamming mitchell, McNamee and congress but prevents you from stating your opinion of whether clemes cheated or not?

  88. pat January 5th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    In my opinion only, being ashamed of the actions is a much more reasoned response than the hyperbole of being offended by players and disgracing the pinstripes that you started with.

  89. ThatWasMe January 5th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Maybe it’s me, I’m under the impression that if McNamee sues Clemens, then McNamee’s credibility can be impeached in court by Clemen’s lawyers. Also imo the team of investigators Clemens has hired are pursuing every negative act McNamee has committed since birth. I also have a feeling the swimming pool lady from Florida who was rumored to have been raped/drugged, might re-emerge in 2008.

  90. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    pat
    i was making the point that i care and i condemn what OUR guys did, and not hiding behind whether there is a yankees witch hunt or whether McNamee is a nice guy or whether the red sox cheated more or less than the yankees did.
    im embarrased by what OUR guys did. Im also angry and embarrased by what other teams players did, but all this whining about the yankees not being treated fairly really pisses me off. Dont worry about what the other guys did, worry about OUR house. If we cant admit that our guys cheated, and condemn it, then we have no right to complain about what the other teams did or didnt do

  91. pat January 5th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    The funny thing is if McNamee sues Clemens; Clemens lawyers would be saying that McNamee didn’t supply Roger with steroids so he did nothing illegal and McNamees lawyers would be arguing that their client did do something illegal because he provided Clemens with steroids. How many times do you see that in a courtroom?

  92. ThatWasMe January 5th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    I agree with your points I miss Bernie,
    unfortunately the unfairness of the process has made most Yankee fans bitter because of the entire focus on just one team, ours.
    And the opportunity it has presented to all Yankee haters both in the press and on blogs, it’s unfair.

  93. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    pat
    i agree totally, i posted last night that i think clemens people are baiting McNamee’s people into suing them. it is much easier to defend a slander/libel suit than to sue for sladner/libel.
    clemens plan
    1)60 minutes interview
    2)congressinal tesimony (if it becomes he said/he said clemens wins
    3)defend a slander suit from McNamee
    4)pass the olympic drug test and play for team usa
    none of which would PROVE him correct but might win in the court of public opinion.
    the big risk is if he gets charged with obstructing congress, so his lawyers will carefully control every word he says at the hearing

  94. GreenBeret7 January 5th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Bernie, to hide your shame and embarrassment next time you go to a game, wear a bag over your head. That will hide the shame and you’ll be anonymous.

  95. ThatWasMe January 5th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    pat
    I think Clemen’s lawyers can and will bring up events in McNamee’s past which as of today are not the public domain. Events which will impeach McNamee’s credibility leaving him appearing to be damaged goods and a card carrying pathological liar.

  96. Chuck January 5th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    I find it amusing that the “cheater” comments come from someone calling themselves: “i miss bernie.” There were many rumors that Bernie used “the stuff” during a couple of his bigger seasons — before “the stuff” was officially “banned” by baseball. By the way, I miss Bernie too — at least the Bernie of the late 90s. but we need to put this into the bigger picture. When did they use? What did they use it for? Did they use substances that were specifically banned by baseball? Did they break the law?

    The fact is that they all operated in the same environment and Mitchell’s report made a big mess of this. He failed to accurately focus on the big picture. He approached his report like a prosecutor and not a fact finder and he failure to uncover anything important — relying only on witnesses that the Feds spoon fed him.

  97. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    guys, one of the GREATEST THINGS about being a yankee fan IS the Yankee haters. iv lived in 9 different states (currently penn.) and i LOVE the hate that i get wearing my NY cap and rooting for the bombers in other stadiums! NEVER WORRY ABOUT THE YANKEE HATERS! the more the merrier! just ask the Orioles fan or the Royals fan, NOBODY HATES THEM because they are NOBODYS!

  98. Say it ain't so January 5th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Wow, who’s having a worse winter here, Andy or his son? Kepner in the Times reported that Andy’s 13-year-old was almost killed earlier in the week on his four wheeler. Not fun times to be a Pettitte apparently.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01.....f=baseball

    Kepner did a great job with that story, by the way.

  99. Noname January 5th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    How fitting that the link I was questioning was from the LA Times, the same newspaper that “erroneously” linked Jason Grimsley to Clemens and Pettitte by wrongly guessing at the redacted names in the Grimsley affidavit last year.

    If you look at similar stories in the NY Times (at http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01.....38;ei=5087 ) and in the NY Daily News (at http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....tml?page=1 )you see diametrically opposite statements from Emery and Ward, McNamee’s lawyers, saying he WILL appear willingly before Congress.

  100. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    chuck, again, why slam the messenger? do u think clemens took PED’s? and if so, do u just forget about it ’cause everybody else was doing it”? you know what your mother would say…

  101. pat January 5th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    If Congress really wants to do all baseball fans a favor, ask Mr. Canseco to show up and tell us everything he says he knows so we can avoid the media blitz of a new book. I would happily pay a few extra tax dollars for his 15 minutes of fame on the steroid issue to be over.

  102. pat January 5th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Has anyone gone to Mo’s restaurant?

    We’re going with friends tonight and was just wondering if anyone had any must try food recommendations.

  103. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 5th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    I haven’t gone to Mo’s restaurant, but the menu looks REALLY good.

    Dude, do you all see the banner at the bottom?! Does that mean registration!? Can I start to get excited?

  104. Tony Womack Should Be Our Left Fielder Again January 5th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Does anyone know when Yankee regular season tickets go on sale?

  105. yanks61 January 5th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    I miss bernie – Graig Nettles is beloved by Yankee fans – deservedly so. He once hit a ground ball that caused his bat to explode, sending little rubber balls bouncing in all directions and inspiring a reporter to write in the next day’s paper that Nettles became the first player in history to ground out to first, SS, 2nd and third simultaneously. Do you now banish Nettles?

    Whitey Ford has, I’ve read, admitted doctoring the ball during his HOF career (along with many other pitchers, named and unnamed no doubt.) What Yankee fans are ready to cast Ford into the darkness?

    I’m as appaled as anyone about this whole era that will ultimately be defined as a disgrace to baseball in general, but I’m not ready to dump Giambi and Pettitte into some special purgartory. And I’m not ashamed or embarrased by Pettitte. I agree he did wrong. Certainly hundreds of other players made the same bad choices. He’s just one of the unfortunate ones who’ve been exposed.

    Now let’s rid baseball of this garbage by extensive and exhaustive testing and stop throwing individual players of this era under the bus. They all did it (or were complicit by their silence when they had to know it was going on), the commisioner’s office condoned it, the owners condoned it and so did the Players Union.

    I miss bernie, unless you’re ready to push Nettles and Ford (and probably others) out of the Yankee’ Pantheon, you shouldn’t be so hard on Pettitte or even Giambi (who is obviously less of a Yankee in most of our eyes.)

  106. randy l. January 5th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    “so murph your stand in favor of the “fundimental fairness” of the presumption of innocence doesnt stop you from slamming mitchell, McNamee and congress but prevents you from stating your opinion of whether clemes cheated or not?”

    i miss bernie-
    he said he doesn’t know. what part of that don’t you understand? clemens either used peds or he didn’t. there is no hard evidence that he used them. until there is,”i don’t know” seems like a rational answer to me.

    were you in the room? if not, you don’t know either. my own personal opinion is that if all players who used peds (that are banned now), were suspended , not a single team could field a team.

    for example ephedra is a banned substance now. it was in xenedrine, one of the most popular over the counter supplements in america before the oriole pitcher steve bechler died with it in his system. athletes across america were using xenedrine, baseball players included.

    it wasn’t banned then and is now. should players who used it once or twice be punished now? maybe 30 % of players used xenedrine. maybe more. one difference from hgh is that hgh is a prescription drug. so does it make a player like pettitte really bad because he did something that wasn’t banned then but is now simply because of the over the counter vs prescription problem?

    with the pharmaceuticals and supplements available to athletes today, it’s not always so simple. there are any number of things in a gnc store that are legal right now that will get a baseball player suspended – pregneolone, dhea, etc.

    you throw out the word” cheating” as if it’s a simple concept. it isn’t.

  107. rico January 5th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Not for the first time, Rebecca is on to something. If the preview is accurate, it looks like registration/login is coming.

  108. jay destro January 5th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    hey all, please stop by the blog if you get a chance, i’ve got a new feature started and hope to get some feedback

    http://www.thebaseballoutsider.com

  109. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    another excuse-maker. im sure there are thousands of great players (who you just called cheaters “they all did it”) who worked thier butts off to make it to the big leagues and succeeded who would like the cheaters exposed too.
    by what you said i am now to suspect jeter, arod, and everyone else for being cheaters just because they were teammates of cheaters?
    and btw, nettles wasnt a yankee when his bat exploded

  110. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    randy,
    i asked a simple question of a guy who had nothing but bad opinions of clemens accusers. he spent paragraphs opining about the bad charachter or 3 men, one a former senator and ambassador, but when i asked his opinion about whether roger took ped’s, he said he didnt KNOW. he didnt KNOW about whether Sen. Mitchell tried his best under tough circumstances to produce a valid document, but he wasnt shy to give his opinion but when i came to what his opinion on what is the real crux of the matter he hid behind the presumption of innocence that he refused to extend to the other 3

  111. Bronxie Brenda January 5th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Who would have believed that when the last pitch was thrown in the last Cleveland-Yankee game, most of the offseason news would be largely dominated by Johan Santana and Roger Clemens ?
    It makes the Joe Torre fiasco, the appointment of Joe Girardi as manager, and the free agent re-signings seem like they never happened.
    Like Cindy Adams says on Page Six of the Post, “Only in New York kids”.

  112. randy l. January 5th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    i miss bernie-
    what is your definition of a cheater?

  113. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    ill answer your question if you answer mine:
    do u think roger clemens took ped’s as a member of the yankees?
    im sure you’ve got your merium webster opened in anticipation of my answer but im not going to the dictionary
    a cheater is one who seeks to gain unfair advantage in a game or sport by breaking the rules either in fact or in spirit.
    now before you go all out on when this occured and what the rules were at the time, remember that breaking laws in seeking this advantage is also against the rules of baseball so the fact of what the rules said about steroids or HGH doesnt excuse the use of either without a prescription, especially since the only reason they took them was to gain competitive advantage

  114. GreenBeret7 January 5th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Jay, looks like a good start to your site. Read a couple of the articles. You’re a lucky guy, Jay…pretty wife, sense of humor, Yankee fan, and judging by the fact that you have strength enough to type, it appears that she can cook. If she takes out the trash after supper and then draws your bath water for you, you have a perfect wife.

  115. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    i guess randy and murphdog both had to leave. they spent all of thier playtime opining about mr’s mcnamee and mitchell but couldnt come up with an opinion about Mr. clemens.

  116. Dee January 5th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    If Congress really is going to waste taxpayers’ money and call Pettitte, Clemens, and Chuck K for a hearing, I think it’s only fair for them to also ask Mitchell to detail his investigation strategy, explaining why the investigation was so geographically-skewed, and why he did not interview a comprehensive sample of trainers from all 30 teams as soon as he learned that some players had a tendency to obtain banned substances or receive shots from their trainers.

  117. randy l. January 5th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    i miss bernie-

    i don’t know of clemens used steroids as a member of the yankees.

    “a cheater is one who seeks to gain unfair advantage in a game or sport by breaking the rules either in fact or in spirit.”

    not a bad definition, but here’s the problem. it’s not just steroids and hgh that are banned substances. off the top of my head , amphetamines in the form of greenies, dhea, pregnenolone, ephedra, pseudo- ephedrine, ritalin, etc have all been used at various times.

    the problem is looking backwards to a time when no one was concerned about some of these presently banned substances. when something isn’t enforced and is part of the clubhouse culture, it’s absurd to go back and punish a small percentage of those who used presently banned substances.
    in pettitte’s case, it’s 6-7 years ago that he used a prescription drug a few times without a prescription. big deal. do you really thing pettitte gained an unfair advantage over other players? to call pettitte a cheater in general is ridiculous.

    i think using the word ” cheater” is a heavy handed word to use in most cases. do you cheat on your taxes or do you do everything legally possible to pay as little as possible. there’s a fine line between the two sometimes. it’s no different in baseball with supplements and peds. what’s legal and what isn’t is sometimes a fine line.

    i just think this is a lot more complex than you think it is.

  118. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    randy, ill say to you what i said to murph:
    nice dance but you didnt answer the question.
    you are obviously an intelligent guy but that’s a b.s. answer. im asking you your opinion. you obviously have an opinion about the law, the definition and usage of the word cheater and many other things. why cant you just state your real opinion about the crux of the matter instead of dancing around the matter?

  119. randy l. January 5th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    i miss bernie-
    have you ever taken one of those tests that ask you if given certain info in different staements, if you have enough info to get an answer or conclusion?
    i think that’s the situation we have with clemens. there simply isn’t enough info to conclude he did it.

  120. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    holy cow! this blog is filled all day long with opinions about how bad mitchell’s report was, what a weasel mcnamee is and how useless congressional committees are but ive challenged everyone to state thier opinion on whether clemens took peds as a member of the yankees and only 1 person has the cahones to actually state thier opinion.
    very weak people
    if you want to slam the messenger, you have to have an opinion on the message!

  121. Hooog January 5th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    i miss bernie,

    Nettles was a Yankee when his bat exploded. It was September 1974 against the Tigers I believe. Unless I misread your statement regarding Nettles not being a Yankee when his bat exploded, you are mistaken.

  122. Patrick Bateman January 5th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Will Curt Schilling be bringing his comb-over to Capital Hill again? Last time he obviously just came for the free buffet afterwards.

  123. Brook January 5th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    In regards, to the comment about the Iranian-Japanese pitcher, Iran’s government may be maniacal, but Iranians in general tend to be very sensible people. When was the last time you picked up the paper and saw an Iranian-American in trouble with the law? They have been in general a very good immigrant group for the United States. Perhaps Pete should see Persepolis to get an overview on a typical Iranian person and her life in Iran. I don’t think anyone would label Marjane Satrapi maniacal.

  124. i miss bernie January 5th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    brook- im with you, all the persians (generally preferred) ive gotten here in the U.S. have been very nice people

  125. tbwalk88 January 5th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Apparently, Yu Darvis recently married saeko dokyu.

    I would love to see the Yanks get Darvish, but I expect tat he will not be posted for another three or four years.

  126. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 5th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Say it ain’t so

    that is awful, I hope his son is doing okay. :(

  127. Old Yanks Fan January 5th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    I too have been a Yankee fan for over 40 years.
    Does that give me licience to also be unbearably sanctimonious?
    Can I too simply ignor the hundreds, if not thousands of ‘cheaters’ who have graced MLB over the years, yet feel shame that some of MY guys did wrong?
    Can I too believe that players for the Yankees are less human, less prone to mistakes and should live to a higher spiritual standard then everyone else?
    Can I too believe that if someone named in the Mitchell report atually did wrong, that it then excuses the political motivation, the conflict of interest, the poor, one-sided (the NY side), incomplete, incomprehensive, witch-hunt document that is the Mitchell report?

    Your viewpoint is terribly narrow. There is simply too much wrong with your statments and feelings to address them adequately in this forum.

  128. murphydog January 5th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    “if you want to slam the messenger, you have to have an opinion on the message!”

    Bernie, if you are asking me whether it is possible that Clemens used PEDs, well, anything is possible. But we’re not talking hypotheticals here. We’re talking about the report.

    Suppose someone told you, Bernie, that the guy in the local hardware store got caught using illegal drugs. You ask the person telling you the story how he knows. The story teller says that he heard that a really bad guy ratted out the guy in the hardware store to avoid jail. The story teller also says that he hears the rat tried to drug and rape a woman and then lied to the cops about it. Wouldn’t you be at least skeptical of the hardware store guy’s guilt based solely on the story from the rat?

    My opinion is that the message in the Mitchell report was incomplete and unreliable. I don’t want to leap to a conclusion based on information I find to be defective, otherwise I’d be substituting guesswork for knowledge. Why does that mean I lack cojones? To figure this out you need to use your head, not your cojones.

  129. Andrew January 6th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    hey i also heard that there was a first-baseman in the japanese league that the yankees were looking at named Lee Seung-Yeop. is this true?

  130. Mike D January 6th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    Buddy Biancalana, I was at that game where Berra and Meachem were both thrown out at home plate at the same throw. The image is burned into my mind all these years later. I remembering turning to my friend, who was also my next door neighbor at the time and a good ten to fifteen years older than me, asking him if he had ever seen anything like that. The obvious answer: No!

  131. Lauren January 6th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Jennifer – wow, so well put. great commentary (totally agree) and question.

    Great Q&A Peter, thanks!

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