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So, who’s really in charge of the Yankees?

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 09, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For the better part of three months, Hank Steinbrenner has said that it’ll be up to him whether the Yankees trade for Johan Santana. He made similar comments about signing Mariano Rivera and Jorge Posada.

Turns out that’s only half true.

I placed a call to Howard Rubenstein today to ask just what exactly the structure was of the Yankees. At one point last summer, Hal Steinbrenner was given the position Steve Swindal once had. That seemed to designate him as George Steinbrenner’s successor.

Then Hank started giving his opinion on every move and seemed to be in charge.

“They share the power,” Rubenstein said. “They are equal partners for both business and baseball. I spoke to them about it today and that’s the situation.”

Rubenstein also said that George still has input. But it’s clear that Hank and Hal have taken over.

As to what this means, only time will tell. Hank is obviously enjoying the spotlight as Hal ducks it. The biggest question will be whether Brian Cashman thinks he can work with them when his contract expires.

So enjoy the thoughts of Chairman Hank. But keep in mind that Silent Hal holds just as much power.

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439 Responses to “So, who’s really in charge of the Yankees?”

  1. Florida Yank January 9th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    It remains to be seen what the full role will be with Hal. Right now he has more input on the business decisions and the new Stadium in particular but once 2009 arrives and the new Stadium is occupied, he could get more involved in the baseball decisions to share with big brother Hank. All things point to George not being involved in the day to day operations.

  2. Chris NY January 9th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    When it comes to Santana, that is a business AND baseball decision, given the contract extension he wants. That’s where Hal is probably or at least possibly siding with Cashman against that deal. Cashman wants to keep Hughes and doesn’t want to invest 7 years into a pitcher. Business sense agrees with him.

  3. raymagnetic January 9th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    As long as Hal and Brian Cashman are working together Hank can say whatever he wants as far as I care. So long as Brian Cashman has one of their ears I think the Yankees will be fine.

  4. John January 9th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Are any of the Santana to the Red Sox talks still breathing? Is it possible that Steinbrenner has been constantly talking to the media about his continued interest in Santana just to make it more difficult for Boston to acquire him? Kind of far flung I know, but then again the Red Sox did the exact same thing to the Yankees. Maybe this is Hank’s ham handed effort at revenge.

  5. Bring Back Tony Womack to Play Left Field January 9th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Thats why the Santana trade hasn’t been done yet

  6. mel January 9th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Pete,

    Thanks for the post. Lots of enquiring minds here.

    Two heads are usually better than one. Hopefully one of them doesn’t implode. lol.

  7. mel January 9th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    What’s their sister’s place in all of this? I could see things coming to a head and there needs to be some kind of buffer. The sister, Cashman, anybody.

  8. SJ44 January 9th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    She has no involvement in the team. Its strictly the Hank and Hal Show from an ownership standpoint. Or, I should say, from a Managing Partner standpoint.

  9. J-Dawg January 9th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    So no matter how much talking that Hank does, we must always remember that Hal is quietly laying in the weeds. Hopefully they won’t end up being divided over the issue of power. We wouldn’t want a family feud to escalate. I can just picture Hank walking along and singing, “I got the power!!”

  10. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    From personal experience:

    Two heads are better than one only when they compliment each other’s weaknesses.

  11. The Monarch January 9th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    I don’t care if it’s Hank, Hal or a shared power structure, just as long as they trust Cashman.

  12. Matt January 9th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    In all likelihood, no [baseball] decision is made without the full input of both Steinbrenner brothers and Brian Cashman. Depending on the level of importance, “Stick” Michael, Mark Newman, and Joe Girardi can be consulted for their views but when the final decision is made, somebody has to be the spokesman and that is for Hank Steinbrenner to do.

  13. mel January 9th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    SJ44,

    Isn’t she a part owner? If not that’s BS.

  14. TurnTwo January 9th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    from Jim Callis’s chat on ESPN:

    Anthony (nyc): Earlier u said that Marquez is better than most people think…so do u think a package of Kennedy, Marquez, Melky and Hilligoss is is good enough to close the deal?

    Jim Callis: (2:43 PM ET ) Not close. Who’s close to be a star in that deal? No one.

    Keith (NJ): so then who is the potential star with Lester and Lowrie? And if the Red Sox dont include Bucholtz, why should the Yankees need to include Hughes?

    Jim Callis: (2:57 PM ET ) That’s a good question. And that’s probably why rumors are that the Twins prefer an Ellsbury-fronted package. I’d rather have Hughes than Ellsbury. But I’d rather have Ellsbury (or Lester) plus Lowrie, Masterson, Kalish or the other various incarnations than the Yankees’ packages.

  15. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    mel: Not necessarily.

    For example, my mother has liquor stores in her name, but I’d be fascinated if she’s ever actually visited any one of them. My dad does all the managing.

    The Steinbrenner situation is obviously different, and I don’t know it, but it could be as simple as that she’s not into baseball. Doesn’t mean she doesn’t have a right to her inheritance though.

  16. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    mel:

    The sister already did her part by divorcing Swindal and opening up the door to Hank and Hal. They should be compensating her handsomely for the opportunity.

  17. raymagnetic January 9th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    TurnTwo, that Jim Callis is a confusing fellow.

  18. TurnTwo January 9th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    and i see I had company there…

    raymagnetic (Bronx, NY): Jim, I’m confused, from the Yankees you want someone who’s a star player but you are okay with the Red Sox package headed by Lester or Ellsbury that doesn’t include a potential star. Do you see why I’m confused?

    Jim Callis: (3:05 PM ET ) No. Ellsbury is a potential star.

  19. RM January 9th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    here is the top level of yankee officials per yankees.com

    George M. Steinbrenner III Principal Owner
    Harold Z. Steinbrenner General Partner
    Henry G. Steinbrenner Senior Vice President
    Jennifer Swindal Senior Vice President, New Stadium Public Affairs
    Felix M. Lopez Senior Vice President
    Randy Levine, Esq. President
    Lonn A. Trost, Esq. Chief Operating Officer
    Brian Cashman Senior Vice President, General Manager
    Mark Newman Senior Vice President, Baseball Operations

  20. TurnTwo January 9th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    ray, agreed… but there has been a LOT that Callis says I dont necessarily agree with.

  21. raymagnetic January 9th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Turntwo, I’ve seen SJ44 say that Callis has a Red Sox bias, I don’t doubt it.

  22. SJ44 January 9th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Murph: LOL

    The Steinbrenners are, how shall I say, Old School when it comes to the family business. George is not having his daughter involved in any substantive business matters surrounding the team.

    She has ownership shares and a title but, Like Felix Lopez, has no real function within the organization.

    Hank and Hal are the day to day owners. Co-CEO’s, if you will.

    They have to answer to their father and they have limited partners to satisfy. But, that’s it. They run the Yankees.

  23. mel January 9th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    I understand all that, but if there’s a palace coup, she’d have a say. I think that’s what I’m trying to get at.

    Turn Two,

    Are you Anthony or Keith?

  24. sunny615 January 9th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    I’ll say it again, but George needs to put it in his will that Hank gets Howard Rubenstein (and has to use him) as part of his inheritance of the Yankees.

  25. TurnTwo January 9th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Keith

  26. Jeff NJ January 9th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    This reminds me a bit about this strange NFL situation where the brother of the NY Giants owner, Chris Mara is allowed to interview for a job in Atlanta! And then possibly recruiting Spagnalo to leave with him.

    Ask yourself if having a partnership at the top is the better way to organize?

  27. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 9th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    ELsbury had a good month, what a joke.

  28. mel January 9th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Keith,

    Good Q&A. Wonder who he would choose between Hughes & Laptops.

  29. Jim PA January 9th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    BM:
    The power structure chart looks organized on paper, but at least to an outsider like me it seems like a free-for-all, with Steinbrenners coming out of the woodwork, and the rest of the Tampa mafia. I hope Cashman’s strong enough to weather it until things settle down. Who knows, maybe everything’s hunky dory, and I just don’t see it.

  30. TurnTwo January 9th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Ellsbury is Brett Gardner with a little more pop in his bat.

  31. SJ44 January 9th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    There won’t be a “palace coup” and if there was one, she would still have no say re: the team.

    Before Hank and Hal took over, there was a lot of talk in business/financial circles that George would sell the team if the sons didn’t want to be involved.

    In other words, he was not going to have his daughters run the team.

    Its just the way George is. Its why people like Donald Trump, Charles Dolan, and several others, talked about purchasing the team.

    Thankfully, the brothers decided to take the reins.

    They are very close, get along well, and also compliment each other very well.

    Hal would rather have pitchfolks jammed into his eyes than speak to the media. Hank, as we have seen, hasn’t met a microphone he doesn’t like.

    Both guys are very, very intelligent and are catching on quickly to the aspects of the business of baseball and running the Yankees.

    When you think about it, its really quite an effort. Basically, these guys have to learn about a billion dollar company in under 6 months so they can run it effectively.

    During the same time, they need to oversee construction of their new stadium. Its a quite task and obviously not a one man job.

    Which is why, in this case, two heads are better than one.

  32. horace clark January 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    arent there 2 sisters?

  33. SJ44 January 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    There is no Tampa Mafia anymore. The power structure is very well defined. Especially on the baseball side.

    Brian Cashman runs the baseball operation. Hank and Hal like him, depend on him, and have not shut him down in that area.

    Are they “involved”? Of course they are. They run the team. Issues, such as a Santana trade, go beyond the baseball people. Because of the financial commitment involved, it does become an ownership issue.

    However, on the areas such as the draft, free agency, etc, Cashman is able to work with his baseball people and make moves, free of any ownership involvement.

    Hank and Hal had no problems going over slot with most of their signed draft picks this past season. That’s how much they trust the direction Cashman is taking the team. Its why the Santana issue is such an agonizing one for the Yankees.

    On the business side, Lonn Trost is the COO and a trusted day to day advisor and Randy Levine’s main function, at this time, is the new Yankee Stadium.

    Its a billion dollar company with lots of tentacles. However, unlike 4-5 years ago, when you had FOG(Friends of George) having big voices in player transactions, you don’t have that today.

    You have clear and defined roles on the baseball side. Which is why, by and large, the baseball decisions have been much more intelligent in recent years.

  34. J-Dawg January 9th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    ESPNEWS is reporting that Clemens’s Congressional hearing has been postponed. It was scheduled for the 16th of this month. No new date has been made yet.

  35. SJ44 January 9th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    There are two sisters. One who was recently divorced from Steve Swindal and Felix Lopez’s wife.

  36. J-Dawg January 9th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    The sisters are Jennifer and Jessica, right?

  37. mel January 9th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    SJ44,

    Thanks for the insight. I guess I like the strong, silent type. lol.

    I’m sure that Hank’s a bright guy. I hope he realizes that the people around him are there to help him not get in his way. I hope he realizes the Yankees are a consortium.

    I can’t believe that Howard had a conversation with the kids about this very topic. You know that he’s in George’s ear, painting a certain picture, and that George is sending a message back to the young turks through his close friend.

  38. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    As I stated earlier today,im affraid that Cashman is losing power and control. His last deal he specifically insisted on having more power than the Tampa guys. Now his deal is up and hes back to square one. Him being the stealth of GM’s and Hank being completely opposite. I cant see how they are going to co-exist unless one of them gives in.My bet says Cash leaves. Which IMO would hurt our team alot.

  39. jay destro January 9th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    I think Hank should start wearing a ship captain’s hat whenever he makes one of his mighty speeches to the media. I think it would be kinda cute and fun. Or maybe he can get a full general’s uniform and pretend to be George Patton.

  40. horace clark January 9th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    unofficial reports have it that roger has scheduled surgery to remove a horn which has begun growing out of the side of his head…

  41. Jeff NJ January 9th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Well put SJ. I think the interesting thing here is the fact that it IS A Partnership. It’s hard for the public to believe that any partnership can last for the long haul, with eventual predictable media reports of internal battles.

    Personally I think they could avoid that, I mean who among us wouldn’t jump at the chance to run the Yankees and make deliver one more championship for Big Stein in his twilight years. I think they’ll do their best to do just that.

    Gotta love the transition to the next generation both in and out of the dugout. Either way, 2008 will be very interesting.

  42. Miggs January 9th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    SJ44:

    You seem very sure of yourself with some of these statements. Do you work for the Yankees? Are you involved in their meetings?

    You seem to take pleasure in refuting everyone’s points and flaunting your opinions as fact, which I highly doubt that they are. Who’s to say the sister doesn’t have input? How do you know? I would have to imagine that anyone with the title “Senior Vice President” will have some role within the organization, some input. You make it sound like Hank and Hal decide everything, then announce it to everyone else. If you’ve ever been around or worked for a large corporation then you realize that’s not the way things work.
    So unless you’re some sort of silent partner or anonymous Yankee VP that we don’t know about, you should stop forcing your opinion on everyone like its fact. Because its not.

  43. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    You know, I don’t have much of an issue with Hank and Hal other than that Hank sometimes doesn’t know when to be quiet…

    …but my respect for George just dropped umpteen levels.

  44. SJ44 January 9th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Sorry to upset you Miggs. A title doesn’t equal power. Especially with the Yankees.

    And, yes, I do have a little insight into the operation.

  45. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    I think they had to re schedule the meeting because he had his third ear ripped completely off from Macnamee.

    As Susyn reported earlier today.

  46. Clay Bucholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) January 9th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Jay,

    Like The Skipper on Gilligan’s Island? That would be funny.

  47. Alan January 9th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Hal wants to play with the horsies, so he’s busy with that. Hank wants to be his dad, so he is taking the initiative with the Yankees.

    Will Hal one day show some initiative towards baseball or the team? Maybe, but I don’t care how much he’s paying the guy, Alex won’t wear a saddle.

    Hal’s presence is a technicality, I think, though that technicality might save Cashman’s job should Brian wish to stay in New York.

  48. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    you mean an ear from his forehead

  49. Jeff NJ January 9th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    I think Hank’s talking is refreshing. The Yankees seem to be testing the waters a bit maybe even effectively starting negotiations with Johan’s agents.

    We won’t know if it was legitimate until the trade plays out, but I bet the Yankees think, getting Johan in July 31st would be good enough and much more cost effective for the Yankees, plus we could get a good look at Phil Hughes and see what we have. That’s a good plan.

  50. horace clark January 9th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    rebecca
    before you go dropping old george in your esteem, you might want to stop and find out whether his daughters ever had any interest in being involved with the yankees. maybe they have chosen not to. women have the right to chose not to be involved in the family buisness too you know.

  51. Clay Bucholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) January 9th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    but Rebecca, they’re girls.

  52. horace clark January 9th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    sounded to me that jay was envisioining hank dressing up exactly like the stiengrabber drawing bill gallo used to have so much fun with in the daily news

  53. mel January 9th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    SJ44,

    I’m a little perturbed that you pushed your opinions on me. In fact, they only way you can fix it is to use your connections and get them to pull all the lists with Hughes’ name. Oh, and hurry up with the overview of the minor league baseball operations. lol.

  54. Jeff NJ January 9th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    I love it how people come on here and say that Hal is busy with the horses. The horse stable would be a perfect job for the brother in law Lopez. I think Hal is smart (and lucky) to both get to run the Yankees and stay low profile. By the way, where is Randy Levine in the structure? Or is thankfullly being phased out?

  55. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    SJ-And, yes, I do have a little insight into the operation.

    So I was right weeks ago when you named off your favorite movies and coincidently(not) they were all Mob type movies that you are part of the Tampa Mafia.

  56. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    rebecca?

    your respect for george?

  57. SJ44 January 9th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Mel: LOL. Good one.

    I wish I had that kind of juice! Unfortunately, I don’t.

  58. Jeff NJ January 9th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    SJ’s the ultimate insider, no question. Did it turn out that BobCat guy was a hoax? He never posted anything accurate, although it was dramatic. Am I wrong?

  59. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    horace: From what SJ’s saying, even if his daughters were interested, George wouldn’t have let them participated. Unless I’m completley misreading SJ’s posts, and if that’s the case, I apologize.

    Clay: Don’t go there, man :-P

  60. TurnTwo January 9th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Jeff NJ, thats a good question, because he’s really disappeared since we all bought into him hook, line, and sinker.

  61. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    SJ44
    Remember the show, “What’s My Line.?” Are you Gene Michael?

  62. horace clark January 9th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    well sj does seem to be a board member, so he would know…

  63. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    anybody see Hillary’s “crying act” the other day?

  64. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    joltin joe
    January 9th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
    anybody see Hillary’s “crying act” the other day?

    It looks like that might have got her over the hump in New Hamphsire.

  65. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Miggs:

    I don’t think I’ve seen your screen name before. A hearty welcome to you.

    In view of your recent arrival I suppose I can understand to a degree your consternation at SJ44′s apparent command of the situation. Allow me therefore to offer a piece of advice. In time you will come to understand and appreciate the unique voice that is SJ44. He’s got the goods, my man. He’s got the goods.

    So please feel free to accept what you like and challenge the rest, but given a little time I think you will see that SJ knows his stuff.

  66. KB January 9th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Callis was also asked to rank Hughes, Buchholz and McGowan. He went Buch, Hughes, McGowan- for whatever that’s worth.

  67. Robbie Cano January 9th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    I have to agree that ellsbury showed flashes of becoming a future star, but i do not agree that his ceiling is near the level of hughes. Ellsbury is most commonly compared to Johnny Damon. The question you have to ask yourself is would you rather have an undeniably excellent center fielder or a frontline starter…pitching wins championships in my mind

  68. Florida Yank January 9th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Hank and Hal’s sisters never wanted a part in the baseball operations. Jennifer supervises the New York Yankees Foundation, overseeing philanthropic efforts in Tampa Bay and New York. She is divorced from Steven Swindal.
    Jessica Steinbrenner serves as general manager of the Steinbrenner family’s Kinsman Farm in Ocala, Florida. She is married to Felix Lopez, a senior vice president of the Yankees.

  69. mel January 9th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Uh, isn’t Hank the stud horse guy?

  70. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Hearing re-scheduled for 13 February.

    Lovely timing.

  71. Yanksrule57 January 9th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Re the Steinbrenner Daughters,

    I read somewhere that the older daughter (Jennifer?) was heavily involved with the running of The Yankees Foundation (Their charity organization). For a company as large as theirs that is not a small responsibility.

  72. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 9th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Jeff you are wrong. Bobcat posted a few weeks before Alex re-signed that he would be back. He had a lot of people impersonating him at one point.

  73. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    “anybody see Hillary’s “crying act” the other day?”

    I was impressed: a candidate that can hold up under pressure and not let emotion get the upper hand when she is upset or disappointed. Can you say Edmund Muskie? (So, if a man cries it’s bad but if a woman cries it shows she is presidential? This is confusing….)

  74. mel January 9th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    And Hal’s the hotelier.

  75. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 9th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Ugh wtg Roger, So you bff Andy will be heading to Fla for p&C and will be faced with a million reporters asking him about this.

  76. horace clark January 9th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    joltin joe
    nasty dig at hillary
    people here can tell u that im an unrepentant anti war liberal, so obviously id never vote for her, but to say that welling up over the apparent (at the time) loss of her dream is hardy a crying act.

  77. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 9th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Clark, that was so put on. Please. boo hoo.

  78. mel January 9th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Jennifer,

    Steinbrenners pulled some strings. Can’t testify, gotta report.

    I’d rather Andy be in Tampa repeating what he said the million reporters than facing a moral dilemma on Capitol Hill.

  79. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    My question is this?

    Was the “cry” an intentional act? Or was it involuntary?

  80. rb15 January 9th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    I don’t know if it was put on or not, but the Gloria Steinem and Maureen Dowd opinion pieces in the Times made for interesting reading.

    Sorry, Pete, for plugging another area paper.

  81. Clay Bellinger January 9th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Everything the Clinton’s do is an act. They are the best in the business.

  82. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Nobody remembers Ed Muskie, eh?

  83. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Horace,you know she’s kinda close to Slick Willie.

  84. Robbie Cano January 9th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Another thing that nobody has talked about is the effects of these trade rumors on hughes and melky. I do not want to take their “feelings” into too great of account, because it is a business and they should know that they will be subjected to possible trades throughout their careers but taking a look at the Chicago Bulls of this year shows adverse effects.
    In preseason they were predicted to contend for the eastern conference title. Then they began their negotiations with the LA Lakers for Kobe Bryant. Young stars like Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas were linked in the deal, and they had a horrific start. The Bulls are now without their head coach and have back tracked from the substantial progress they made last year. Sound familiar? Young players making great progress at the end of a season (Phil replacing Rocket in the ALDS and throwing a gem).
    I am worried about the impact of these rumors on a talented but mostly unproven starter in hughes and melky. Let’s not forget how the pressure got to melky when we brought him up two seasons ago.
    Let’s hope these guys can focus on baseball and put their faith in cashman and hal to keep them in pinstripes…bide our time and hope santana tests FA (doubtful as it seems)

  85. Jeff NJ January 9th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Jennifer, feel free to continue to believe, that’s your perrogative Bobby Brown.

    Bobcat is dead to me.

  86. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Murph,
    Good point about men vs women crying. It killed Muskie. Tricky Dick made him cry.

  87. Yanksrule57 January 9th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Never underestimate the capability of the Clintons to fake any emotion. Remember Bill at Ron Browns funeral? Slick went from laughing to full on tears in an instant when he saw cameras were on him.

  88. horace clark January 9th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    sorry, like i said it didnt matter to me, im way to the left of both of them, but i believed it and obviously the citizens of new hampshire agreed

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  90. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    “Everything the Clinton’s do is an act. They are the best in the business.”

    With all due respect, they’re all actors, even the ones who weren’t actors before they got into politics. We get the government we deserve.

  91. Clay Bellinger January 9th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    I think the best actor in government was Jesse “The Body” Ventura.

  92. i miss bernie January 9th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    robbie
    if hughes and melky and anyone else are gonna make it in new york, they’re gonna need thick skin, if they cant handle this, they have no chance.
    just consider the stress to be more yankee seasoning for the kids

  93. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Joltin’ Joe:

    Tricky Dick made a lot of people cry.

  94. i miss bernie January 9th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    re: muskie… lets hope we have evoled since 1972.

  95. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    So the hearing has been postponed to 2/13, hmmm….
    Could Roger be having 2nd thoughts. Maybe he is reconsidering. Maybe he should come out with the truth. Maybe he should repent and pledge to speak out against the use of PEDS. He would be the first to do so on a national stage such as Congress. He would come across looking the hero and could punch his ticket to the Hall.

  96. saucy January 9th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    just read Muskie’s wiki entry…. lol @ melted snowflakes.

    and Yanksrule57, that funeral was a great example.

  97. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Murph

    Including himself.

  98. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    So what’s the deal with the congressioal hearings? Does anyone else think that Congress decided not to wade right in to the McNamee mess? The hearing on the 15th is still on, so Selig and Mitchell get to defend the owners and the report, and then it will be a month before Roger is on.

    Just seems weird.

  99. jay destro January 9th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Politics do not make for good discussion on this blog.

    Let’s move on.

  100. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    The best actor in government was The Gipper, followed closely by the one and only Fred Grandy, you know, Gopher from the Love Boat.

    http://www.nndb.com/people/908/000024836/

    Fred Dalton Thompson also made a good TV D.A. on Law and Order and was a real Senator from Tennessee and Watergate Committee counsel.

    It’s getting hard to keep the actors straight from the politicians.

  101. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    When’s the last time any of you had a real, good, long cry?

  102. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 9th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Wait now I am confused. When is Andy supposed to speak? Was his also postponed? And are we so sure they won’t make him appear since he has to report to spring training?

  103. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    jay:

    I hear you. It’ll be over shortly. (You gotta let us burn off a little steam every now and then, especially on slow baseball news days).

  104. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Murph,

    Where does the Guvenator rate?

  105. Florida Yank January 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    In the interests of what players go to spring training for, Peter and all members of the media will be addressed by Yankee public relations and media relations people and plainly told that Andy Pettitte and other players will be allowed limited access to for interviews and kept to a minimum of baseball related questions only. Any attempts at steroid related questions will bring interviews to an abrupt ending.
    Worth taking to the bank.

  106. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Hill’s was really a whimper.

  107. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    “When’s the last time any of you had a real, good, long cry?”

    When I heard how much I had to give my ex-wife.

    (Do you know why divorces are so expensive? Because they’re worth it).

  108. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    “Where does the Guvenator rate?”

    Arnold is an actor?

  109. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    jennifer

    andy and rog are still scheduled for 2/15 unless something happens.

  110. i miss bernie January 9th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    suprisingly, swartzenneger is the only one who’s actually better at politics (only because of his total lack of acting skills)

  111. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Ahnald vants to be prez.

  112. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 9th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Florida Yank

    Did you hear that this was happening? Or are you guessing?

  113. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    murphydog: You know, right now I just plan to never marry. Would make live a helluva lot easier in many respects.

  114. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    really rog has gotten to deep into this. he needed a break.
    “to lighten up.” he can lie to wallace and other reporters but not to congress.

  115. Blog Moderator January 9th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Rebecca,

    HaHaHa. That’s what Elizabeth Taylor said. Never say never!

  116. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    he’s really putting buddy andy on the spot. what does he say when they ask him if he knew about roger’s use? now he’s up against perjury. i’m sure he and rog have talked this over, hopefully roger didn’t tape it.

  117. Joeysdadjoe January 9th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Seems to me the discussion of Cashmans power generates from the Santana situation.Owners generally dont let GMs make 100 Million $ decisions on their own anyway(see Rodriguez,Alex)

  118. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    blog moderator: Mmm, but famous men don’t even talk to me, so I’m not tempted ;)

  119. vrsce January 9th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Clemen’s clean while in Toronto, according to team Dr.

    This article appeared in the Toronto Sun today.

    http://www.torontosun.com/News.....5-sun.html

  120. Jeff NJ January 9th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    I just realized, Roger bluffed Congress into dropping the meeting. Either that or they are re-thinking all the unfairness and headaches of it. It would behoove Congress to mind it’s own business.

  121. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Rebecca -

    Some marriages actually work out. I’ve been married for 27 and a half years. Not all bliss, mind you, but my husband’s my best friend. That’s the key. And being willing to compromise. And not expecting fairy tales.

    But I got married young, and never lived on my own, never bought my own car. And while I don’t exactly regret those things, I do wish I had done both. So, even if you find the right person, don’t rush. He would have waited for me – I was the one in a hurry.

  122. B-D-4 trains January 9th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Question:

    Should Goose’s No. 54 be retired ? It’s kind of complex. There are numbers retired of prominent Yankees that didn’t or won’t gain admission to the HOF.

  123. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Rebecca:

    “murphydog: You know, right now I just plan to never marry. Would make live a helluva lot easier in many respects.”

    What doesn’t kill you makes you strong. Or, you gotta kiss a lot of frogs before you find your prince.

    Seriously, I’m in no position to give advice but I am very happily re-married to someone who likes baseball and thinks I’m funny. I found someone with compatible insanity, someone that understands that I am crazy and who doesn’t look at me like I’m nuts because she’s crazy too, much the same way I am. We try not to be nuts at the same time and that really seems to work. Helpful?

  124. Drive 4-5 January 9th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Great question B-D-4 trains! I say, why not? But pretty soon they will be wearing letters because they’ve run out of numbers lol

  125. Stephen January 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    FloridaYank:
    I’d take that bet.

    The Yankees are far too media savvy to think they can schhol reporters in what they can and can’t ask. Now, whether players want to answer questions or make themselves available to the media is up to them. But the team would face revolt (and even worse press attention) if they tried to sit the media down and demand that they cover the team the way the team would prefer.

  126. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    B-D-4 trains:

    Great question.

    Are there any HOF Yankees whose numbers were not retired? Maybe if they only had a short stay with the Yanks? Goose played 7 season with the Yanks, if I got my math right, out of a 22 year career with 9 teams. What say the assembled group?

  127. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Doreen and Murphydog: My parents have been happily married for twenty three years now.

    It’s great for them and I know I’m really lucky that my parents are, in fact, still together when most marriages don’t end that way any more…

    …but at the same time, it’s not for everyone. I won’t get into my personal reasons, but if it happens, it happens, but I’m in no rush!

  128. rb15 January 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    the last time I cried was October, 2004. One guess why.

    Actually, that’s not true – the last time I cried was last week, when my wedding caterer gave me her updated quote (I’m getting married in August).

  129. Drive 4-5 January 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    I’ve got my barf bag ready for when the first congressional blowhard congratulates Mitchell and Selig on their “fine effort” to clean up the sport.

    I bet one reason they moved the hearing was because Andy’s new lawyer said they may not be ready in time.I’m worried that Andy needs more prep time because they plan on going at him hard.

  130. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    vrsce

    Good article! Amazing we have to go north of the border to get a article written favoring Roger. I did email the paper about the line re: Andy. Andy used hgh twice not steriods.

  131. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    politics in here is off limits but advice to the lovelorn isn’t?

  132. Jeff NJ January 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Wow impressed about a 23 year marriage? Granted my first one ended after 4 years and so far so good on the new one with a bun in the oven. However, my folks about to celebrate 48 years and they couldn’t be happier. I probably just jinxed it, not.

  133. Florida Yank January 9th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Jennifer -

    No guesswork on my part. Just plain gut feeling and strict observation of how the Yankees conduct things in spring training from living here.
    Case in point is how Jason Giambi was handled in 2005 after a stormy winter. Seeing it first hand influences my thinking. Like in the City, there’s masses of media covering the Yankees in Florida as I’m sure Peter will attest to. It’s a small army by itself with media from Japan covering Matsui and Igawa.

  134. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    drive 4-5

    do you really think andy will appear before congress? If rog was such a good buddy he’d get him off the hook.

  135. Say it ain't so January 9th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    They would definitely subpoena Andy. At this point, he’s the only person that can possibly put an end to the McNamee vs. Clemens war. Who else are they supposed to go to? It’s going to be the same garbage in front of congress- McNamee will say he did it, Clemens will say he didn’t do it. Andy is the middle man that everyone involved in this case wants to hear from right now, they don’t care if he’s at spring training or not.

  136. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 9th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    My parents will be celebrating their 35th wedding ann. I guess I really should do something for them. :lol:

  137. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    how did all this marriage talk start?

  138. i miss bernie January 9th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    retired #’s are getting way out of hand. remember, they’re gonna have to retire mo’s soon, certainly have to consider bernie and paulie O, posada, jeter, pettite and torre. they will have to wear letters (only oscar gamble got to do that!)

  139. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Really, let’s just say rog is lying, hypothetically. If he cops to it , you know, breaks down and cries, what do you think happens? HE IS A HERO, that’s all.

  140. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    i miss bernie -

    I believe mo’s # would have been retired even if Mo wasnt wearing it.

  141. Moshe Mandel January 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Check out this different and unique look at the steroid issue. Yes, its a shameless plug.
    http://mvn.com/mlb-yankees/200.....-steroids/

  142. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    joe,
    The hearing with Selig and Mitchell is still scheduled for the 15th. The hearing with the players that was scheduled for the 16 has been moved to 2/13 “so lawmakers can gather evidence and coordinate their investigation with the Justice Department.” (no link because I’m using on a mobile, but it’s front paged at espn.com).
    I think it’s an interesting development, but I’m not sure what it means. My guess (or hope) is they realized after Roger’s press conference and the revelations about McNamee that there’s much more to the story than Mitchell’s report.

  143. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    vrsce:

    Thanks for the link. Now we have two more names on Clemens’ witness list, the Toronto team chiropractor and the former Florida cop.

  144. i miss bernie January 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    bd you are correct but they retired #8 twice, didnt they?

  145. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Rebecca – at least you dont live in Red Sox Nation… I need to get out of here or I’m never going to meet anyone worthwhile…

  146. Say it ain't so January 9th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Well there’s no way Reggie’s number should’ve been retired by the Yankees. Guidry is stretching it, too.

  147. Vince January 9th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Drive 4-5 :

    Hilarious post on your part with the barf bag and I echo your thoughts. The oaf of a Commissioner and the Socks Director will do their share of horn tooting when in fact all they’re doing is a bowl full of sugar coating to a problem the still exists.

  148. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    i miss bernie –

    i meant that #42 wont be available for another player with or without Mo. So that’s just one less #. Do you know how many distinct #s they have retired so far (incl. and assuming Jeter and Mo are locks)?

  149. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Moshe

    Good take. The only thing you omitted was the effect steroid usage has on the young. The owners and commish only care about their bottom line. Can you imagine the quantities these wrestlers must be ingesting with all the death and destruction they have faced.

  150. rb15 January 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    True that, BD. I moved here with my fiance, which saved me from the Nation. My fiance is a Mets fan, but after living here, I know it could be much, much worse.

  151. saucy January 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    “It’s great for them and I know I’m really lucky that my parents are, in fact, still together when most marriages don’t end that way any more…”

    most of them? is that really true?

  152. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Vrsce, this is the second article that has come out from one of Clemens’ teams. Houston’s team psychologist said that he lockered next to Clemens for three years and never heard a whisper, and, that he had most of the ball players talk to him and asked about steroids and that Clemens never showed signs of and never mentioned anything about it. He just spent his time helping the kids and working out. I’ll try to find the article.

  153. joltin joe January 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    most marriages end by either divorce or death.

  154. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    good find GB

  155. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    “At this point, [Andy]’s the only person that can possibly put an end to the McNamee vs. Clemens war. ”

    Maybe, assuming Andy is willing to say that Clemens told him he did steroids and HGH. But what’s the likelihood of that? Would Roger file suit against McNamee without knowing where Andy was on this? It’s one thing to say McNamee is lying but to be in a position to have to accuse your best baseball friend Andy Pettitte of lying too? No way.

  156. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Jeff: My aunt and uncle, both over 90, have been married since 1940.

  157. murphydog January 9th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    “most marriages end by either divorce or death.”

    Not much difference, except death is cheaper.

  158. BBB January 9th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Well, it is great to hear that Hal’s power is greater than or at least equal to Hank’s, as Hal seems to be far far far more sensible. Which makes me think that Cash has an ally at the top, which is great to know cause I really have been worried about the idea of him leaving when his contract is up, ever since the quote he gave about his role having changed. Hopefully with Hal on his side, he won’t leave, and the two of them together can talk some sense into Hank when he starts to get “off the chain.”

    As far as retired numbers, 21 needs to be next, IMO.

    Politics? Yuck, I think they’re all scum, but I don’t really mind the discussion…it’s not as if anything is going to stop me from writing in The Nuge’s name on my ballot come Election Day anyway. :) And if that makes me sound like I don’t take politics seriously, it’s because I don’t – you know what they say, if voting actually changed anything they’d make it illegal!

  159. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    murphydog:

    So I’m a history major.

    I walk into the history department before halloween last semester, and they have a display with a casket an skeleton.

    the following conversation ensues:

    Me: Nice display
    Sec: It’s not too creepy?
    Me: Are you kidding? I’m a history major. I like dead people.

  160. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    http://www.khou.com/sports/ast.....12e5b.html

    VRSCE

    This guy was actually the team shrink with the Yanks and now with Houston and said when Pettitte got his HGH shots, he was rehabbing at the Yankees complex in Tampa.

  161. Drive 4-5 January 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Vince,

    This Congressional hearing is about one thing and one thing only. It’s all about protecting George Mitchell’s reputation. If it were ever proven that Clemens was clean, it would seriously tarnish the reputation of one of their own.

    George Mitchell has done some fine work in his career. This isn’t one of them. He should have been smart enough to stay out of this mess. He compounded his problems by not divesting himself in his paid relationship with the Red Sox.

    The fact that he couldn’t bring himself to cut ties with Boston only proves how politicians are hooked on mainlining money from outside sources into their pockets like junkies are hooked on mainlining junk into their veins.

  162. Say it ain't so January 9th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Andy is not going to lie to congress for Roger Clemens. I don’t care if he’s his best friend or not, Andy has his own family and he’s not risking perjury charges for a guy that got him into this mess in the first place.

  163. BBB January 9th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Also…WTF is up with moving the Congressional hearings back to 2/15? Don’t pitchers and catchers report on the 14th…so that means Andy will be a day late? Not that I’m worried about him getting his work in, I know he will get it in, but still, the whole thing stinks to high heaven. Was it Mitchell who made the decision to push it back? If so, how much longer will the MLBPA let him get away with his blatant effors to (for lack of a better phrase) c*ckblock the Yankees?!

  164. B-D-4 trains January 9th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Murph :

    For examples, Billy Martin got 3 rings as a journeyman hellraiser and 1 as a manager.
    Unfortunately, Captain Thurman’s life ended all too soon in a shortened career.
    Donnie Baseball also had a shortened career due to injury.
    Louisiana Lightning had as many rings as Goose and Gator will be the 1st to say that he was the benefactor of many of Goose’s saves.

  165. McLovin January 9th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    The Braves are looking for a centerfilder and looking at Kotsay from the A’s.Kotsay is a crappy outfielder.Why isn’t Brian shopping any of our 4 outfielders,we should dump one of them.Maybe if Brian wasn’t spending all his time in Fenway we could get something for Damon or Abreu.

  166. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    BBB: The 13th. Day before. Not that it makes a difference.

  167. BBB January 9th, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    If anything we should be looking to get something for Matsui, not Damon or Abreu. And I’m sure the Braves don’t want to pay Matsui. Apparently they want to use all the money saved on Jones to offer Tex a megadeal or extension. Sounds to me like they are looking for a cheap solution which precludes any of our OF’ers. Also I think the Yanks have definitely made it known they’d be willing to trade Matsui, how do you know Cash hasnt approached the Braves?

  168. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Jeff NJ
    January 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
    Wow impressed about a 23 year marriage? Granted my first one ended after 4 years and so far so good on the new one with a bun in the oven. However, my folks about to celebrate 48 years and they couldn’t be happier. I probably just jinxed it, not.

    My first one ended after 4 years as well. But heres the twist for ya. I RE-MARRIED THE SAME PERSON. Sometimes the grass isnt greener on the other side.

    Suggestions for the ones who are thinking of getting married.
    1.Try not to at a young age. Because your taste changes alot.
    2.If you can live with the person before you marry them it will help you in knowing if you can live with the persons bad habbits.
    3.No one is perfect. If they have 90% of what you want in a person, then your good.

  169. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    BBB,

    when did the Yanks definitely make it known they’d trade Matsui? I heard one rumor with the Giants but that seemed to be unfounded. They should keep Matsui.

  170. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    If Andy didn’t know anything about Roger Clemens, or never saw him taking steroids or HGH, there is nothing to lie about. He has already told the truth about himself. I really, really don’t see what he adds to the picture.

  171. vrsce January 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    GreenBeret7

    Thanks for the link. The evidence is starting to accumulate in Clemen’s favour. It sems very likely that Clemen’s is clean and will be able to refute MacNamee’s story.

  172. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    I dont think Andy knows anything about Clemens. Clemens says he didnt know about Andy and McNamee essentially confirmed that. If Roger doesnt know about Andy, its unlikely Andy knows about Roger.

  173. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    SOS27 -

    Good guidelines. Especially about not looking for someone who’s perfect. After all, if you admit that you’re not perfect yourself, how do you expect someone else to be? Now, of course, if you think you ARE perfect – well, you’re in for a lot of trouble!

  174. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Atlanta needs a center fielder, not a corner outfielder. The only one that would be of interest to the Braves would be Cabrera, and they have nothing to offer that would help the Yanks. Cabrera may be a 4th outfielder to some teams (most likely said so they get him for next to nothing) but he has value to the Yankees at least for this year and next.

  175. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    vrsce –

    innocent or not… its beginning to become more clear that there just wasnt enough of a case against Clemens to justify his inclusion in the report. Mitchell should have stuck to the Radomski and his cancelled checks.

    Even if Roger is guilty, I hope he gets off simply to invalidate the entire report because of how poorly it was managed.

  176. Keith January 9th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Not being a lawyer or anything near it, I’m wondering if the Blue Jay team personnel mentioned in the article can testify seeing their place of business is primarily in Canada.
    Certainly the Florida detective can because the pool incident in St. Pete can be labeled of criminal nature. GHB is not kid’s aspirin.

  177. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Boston Dave
    January 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
    how did all this marriage talk start?

    I think it started with someone here wanting to marry Chelsea Clinton. I could be wrong though.

  178. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    so they have jdate.com for jewish singles.

    when are they gonna start NYYdate?

    I cant take another Sox fan. Help!

  179. Jim PA January 9th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    You never know who the right one is going to be. I was a kid from the Castle Hill Projects in the Bronx, my wife was from Brooklyn, we married in Maryland, then New Jersey, and raised our kids in Pennsylvania, 25 years already.

  180. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    VRSCE,

    It does look better. It also appears that McNamee wasn’t too well thought of in Toronto, either. Would have been nice to see these reports/testimonials a month or so ago.

  181. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    SoS: My parents are adamant that I live with the guy I want to marry before I precede to do so…

  182. Dr. Phil January 9th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    ATTENTION !!!

    Please refer all marriage stories and questions to me. I’ve pretty much wrapped up my time with Ms. Spears.

  183. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Dr. Phil,

    Didnt you get your PhD at the same place McNamee did?

  184. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 9th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    (1) I’m disappointed to see that Hank, Hal and Cash might actually have a clue about what they’re doing. I was hoping for chaos (maybe something like the Knicks?). But no such luck. Damn!
    (2) Re: The Congressional Hearings …. The hearing involving Clemens was specifically called because Clemens and his lawyer have, in effect, accused the federal government of malfeasance. Congress will talk to the involved parties in order to see if the Justice Department investigation was ethically conducted and produced viable evidence. The delay is so the Justice Department and Oversight Committee staffers can interface and compile a list of questions for the witnesses. This will be no fly-by, “So what do you know?” proceeding.

    The scope of this hearing seems limited to the topic of alleged misconduct by the feds (and Clemens ability to prove it). The Mark McGwire approach probably won’t fly. Committee members seem miffed at the insinuations floated by Clemens and his legal team. They saw it as a provocative action, and have counterpunched.

    The stakes are getting extraordinarily large, as the law of unintended consequences is starting to rear its ugly head. I can’t stand Clemens, but I wish that we could just get back to baseball.

  185. Say it ain't so January 9th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    I think I read it in Newsday that McNamee’s lawyer said Andy was going to be the one to tell congress that Roger was using.

    I think this entire thing is ridiculous anyway, they’re only trying to make Mitchell look more credible. Bottom line, Clemens never should have been in the report if there wasn’t any proof.

    I’m pretty hung up about this apparent hug that Mitchell gave to McNamee after he gave up Clemens. What the heck was that all about?

  186. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Rebecca -

    They actively WANT you to live with “your intended” before you get married? That’s interesting. I think I would classify myself as neutral on that concerning my daughter. At least that’s how I feel with no serious person in the picture. :)

  187. mel January 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    It started because Rebecca said she NEVER wants to get married.

  188. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Say it aint so, can you send link to “The Hug” story?

  189. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Rebecca -

    no need to get married. certainly no need to worry about it.

  190. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Doreen: Yep. My mother was married and divorced before she remarried my dad, so she knows what she’s talking about. Maybe.

    My dad already begs me to go on Jdate, but my preferences seem to be lapsed Catholics.

  191. Bronxie Brenda January 9th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Jim in PA -

    Good for you and yours and continued happiness. For your info, the final garage parking area is complete in Co-Op City. The Bronx is on an upswing.

  192. Say it ain't so January 9th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    BD,

    From the story: Three months later, in August, he was called before Mitchell, and asked to nod to what he told the feds the month before. When he was done nodding, he says Mitchell hugged him. But he claims he took no pride in it.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  193. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Boston Dave, that’s what McNamee told the Clemens investigators. It’s in the lawsuit, as part of their report, and apparently have it on tape.

  194. Say it ain't so January 9th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Oops, sorry for stretching the screen :-\

  195. rb15 January 9th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Keith – regarding having Blue Jay personnel testify – it’s possible. There’s two ways MLB could subpoena them to make it happen: 1. They could argue that because the Blue Jays conduct business in the United States, have “minimum contacts” with the United States, and avail themselves of U.S. law, that the United States could take long-arm jurisdiction over them. 2. Whoever the lawyers are in America would write letters rogatory to the Canadian judicial system, asking Canada to issue a subpoena to the Blue Jays on their behalf – essentially, asking Canada to allow the American judicial system to have authority over the Canadians in Canada for this one specific act of issuing the subpoena.

  196. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Say it Aint So / Green Beret,

    I must have missed that part.

    I dont understand why people are claiming that Clemens and his attorneys are accusing the government of abusing power or improper conduct.

    Isnt it McNamee who, being recorded, said he was coerced and “bullied”?

    So they are simply reiterating what McNamee said in their lawsuit, right?

  197. rb15 January 9th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    sorry, – edit *CONGRESS* not *MLB*

  198. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    wow

    can someone give me an acceptable reason for Mitchell to hug McNamee immediately following his implication of Clemens?

    I cant think of any.

  199. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Doreen
    January 9th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
    SOS27 -

    Good guidelines. Especially about not looking for someone who’s perfect. After all, if you admit that you’re not perfect yourself, how do you expect someone else to be? Now, of course, if you think you ARE perfect – well, you’re in for a lot of trouble!

    Well i might have been in trouble in the past. But these early grey hairs are telling me im past my prime. So does my wife telling me that my first boy is really JETERS.lol

    I dont think you missed much out there. Just look at it this way. Most people out there would trade their spot for yours knowing you have a steady and healthy relationship. I think its a bonus if you are best friends with your partner. I know it is in my case(damn im starting to sound like a chick). My life is over!!
    Suggestion to men
    DONT LET THEM BRAIN WASH YOU. You will start to think your too fat to get anyone else and start watching DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES with them. Not to say i do or anything.

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Save the Three Musketeers!
    January 9th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
    SoS: My parents are adamant that I live with the guy I want to marry before I precede to do so…

    I will be the same to my kids as well.Your parents are right. It is a different animal dating someone and living with that pack rat,snorer,dont pick up after themselves,dont help out around house,takes to long in the restroom/shower,takes up most of the closet OH WAIT YOUR THE GIRL forget the closet part.Good luck.

  200. Noname January 9th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    vrsce said January 9th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
    “Clemen’s clean while in Toronto, according to team Dr.” (with a link to the Toronto Sun article).

    Um….that guy’s the team CHIROPRACTOR, not the team doctor. Either a M.D. or a D.O. (osteopathic physician) would serve in a team-doctor capacity, but not a chiropractor.

    And the other guy named in the article didn’t even work with Clemens, just knows guys “with his body type”.

    The Houston newspaper GreenBeret7 linked to refers to that sports psychologist who used to locker next to Clemens and “even took injections of B-12 and painkiller at the same time as him”.

    Sounds pretty odd to me, that a premier pitcher with such talent would follow the lead of a chiropractor, a sports psychologist, and a personal trainer in his athletic medical care, instead of a board-certified orthopedic surgeon, a board-certified internist, or a board-certified sports medicine orthopedist.

  201. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Boston Dave, it gets even better. McNamee’s attorneys want the tape, Hardin claims it’s part of discovery. The McNamee attorney claims it was unethical and talked about bringing charges against Hardin, but, decided and I quote, “We decided against bringing ethics charges because Hardin is doing such a bad job of advising Clemens. He also said that McNamee lied to the investigators to stay in good with Clemens. LMAO. This is better than anything Hollywood could dream up.

  202. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    NoName -

    may seem odd to you but apparently almost all of the players were using a trainer or the team trainer for their primary medical care and not board-certified surgeons.

  203. mel January 9th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    At this point, we only have McNamee’s word to Clemens attorneys that Mitchell hugged him?

    Speaking of said tape, McNamee’s lawyers want it to be played for Congress.

    You hear Clemens and Brian arguing about it on the “smoking gun” tape. Brian told Clemens he told his investigators about the “cat” that worked for the Mets.

  204. Annie Savoy January 9th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    While we all love the Yankees and want to know everything about them, you must recognize that they are part of a larger entity – Major League Baseball.

    MLB is in big trouble due to a steroid/drug epidemic among its’ players which affects many more players than the 80 already named in the Mitchell Report. To this end, the Congress of the United States has ‘invited’(subpoenaed) the Officials of MLB to appear before them on Tuesday, January 15, and a representative group of players and trainers to appear on February 13.

    We had all better hope and pray that the responses from these two groups will satisfy the queries posed by the Congressmen, who are backed by Federal Law and Policies and have the power to change the way MLB does its’ business.

    I am amazed at the cavalier attitude shown by some ‘fans’ who don’t care about playing by the rules on or off the field and are just looking for stats, records and fantasy facts.

    Please tune in to these hearings – TV Coverage will be widespread. You might be surprised at what we will all learn.

  205. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    SoS: I have been repeatedly told by people at Syracuse when I move in that I have the least amount of “stuff” of anyone that they have ever seen.

    Taking up a closet is not my issue.

    However, finding space for all of my books…

  206. Say it ain't so January 9th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Mel, do you mean the tape of the phone call or the tape of Clemens’ “private investigators”?

  207. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Noname, the chiropractor never said he was the one giving shots. I’d only be guessing, but, team trainers, chiropractors, and a guy that used to be a cop was at least EMT certified. I gave shots, IVs and drew blood and gave blood/plasma for the last 35 years. I was a military qualified medic.

  208. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    mel –

    McNamee must have also told Jon Heyman of SI that Mitchell hugged him.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  209. mel January 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Say,

    On the “phone” tape Roger told Clemens he didn’t even know who that “cat” (Radomski)was. Brian told him, “no I told you.” They argued about it. Finally Brian’s like “I told your investigators. They wrote on that stupid yellow pad”

    So McNamee’s lawyers want the tape of the Rusty’s investigators interviewing Brian.

  210. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    SOS27 -

    I haven’t laughed so hard in a while! :)

    My husband draws the line at Grey’s Anatomy. Says, “Sorry, honey, just can’t do it.”

    But I’ve become an NCAA March Madness fan, rather than widow, and learned to appreciate a whole range of music (as a teen I never listened to FM, while he never listed to AM). And he allowed Barbra Streisand in the house when I know, I KNOW, it drove him nuts at first!

    Seriously, I think living together is good as long as it’s for real. Because you can’t pretend 24/7/364.

    Oh, by the way, because I’m a SAHM, and my husband has casual Fridays at work, HE actually has more closet space than I do!

  211. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Mel, if McNamee was stupid enough to talk to an out of state investigator and one of Hardin’s legal assistants, and especially without his attorney present, he’s on his own.

  212. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    I still can’t get over the quote from McNamee’s attorney:

    “We decided against bringing ethics charges because Hardin is doing such a bad job of advising Clemens.”

    hahahahahaha

  213. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    GreenBeret, do you really need the “if” in your statement?

  214. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Doreen: That’s interesting. My mother is a SAHM and my Dad works and my Dad’s got like 1/4th her closet space.

  215. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Back to Baseball:

    What I don’t understand is how readily Mitchell accepted McNamee’s testimony. Did he not do an investigation of this person who was accusing baseball players of using PEDs? Or was that not important? Just getting the names. And under NO circumstances whatsoever do I see it appropriate in a professional environment to hug someone who’s just given you what you were looking for.

    I am seriously, seriously, inclined to think that because of the original Grimsley report that Clemens was included in the affidavit, in spite of the later retraction of that, that Mitchell was hoping that he would have Clemens name to divulge in his report. I think he was the big fish that he was looking for all along. If he didn’t get Clemens, he would not have named names. I am sure of it in my bones.

  216. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Rebecca -

    I have a thing for cleaning out the closet. Often.

  217. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Dave, I agree. The “if” wasn’t needed. Hard to believe that a guy that was a NARC would even go along with it.

  218. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Boston Dave –

    Did McNamee’s attorney really say that???

  219. mel January 9th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Boston Dave,

    Thanks.

    McNamee also explains that at the time he was still reasonably hopeful that none of the names Mitchell learned from him or anyone else would be made public. “Why would I tell Roger or Andy something they might not even find out about?” he says.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if Mitchell had refrained from naming any names?

    The hug thing is weird. A handshake and hand on the shoulder is the proper thing to do, but maybe Mitchell felt sorry for this piece of crap because his son was dying? I know, I’m reaching…

  220. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Doreen – I am inclined to agree with you. Either way, the report is looking more and more irresponsible.

    Question is… what will it take to actually free Clemens’ name, make the Mitchell Report look bad, or invalidate it altogether? It seems like Mitchell is untouchable as far as his integrity and character…. but from what I’ve seen, I don’t get it.

  221. mel January 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    McNamee also explains that at the time he was still reasonably hopeful that none of the names Mitchell learned from him or anyone else would be made public. “Why would I tell Roger or Andy something they might not even find out about?” he says.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if Mitchell had refrained from naming any names?

    The hug thing is weird. A handshake and hand on the shoulder is the proper thing to do, but maybe Mitchell felt sorry for this piece of crap because his son was dying? I know, I’m reaching…

  222. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Doreen,
    Im right there with him on the Greys Anatomy. I really tried but it was too girly. At least in Desperate Hotwives there is killing and back stabbing and hotwives. What i mean to say is there is a decent story most of the times.
    SAHM? Im sorry im not figuring it out.

    Oh one more thing. I hate when there is a hott scene like someone in a nightgown or bathing suit and i know she is doing that women perifrial vision thing. There i am trying not to do the swallow cause im nervous. But offcoarse i cant help it and do the guilty gulp.

  223. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Doreen -

    Green Beret’s post at 5:59…

    GB, you have a source?

  224. mel January 9th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    What I didn’t like about the phone tape was the obvious fishing expedition that Brian was on. Either he’s really lame dumb or he was trying to trap Clemens.

    He mentioned turning down a 7-figure offer for his story. He kept asking Roger what he should do. He offered to go to jail for Roger.

  225. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    sos

    stay at home mom

  226. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    You know, I am almost beginning to think that the way we and the media are treating this it seems more like it’s a trial of Brian McNamee than a question of whether or not Clemens used.

    I know that’s not the case, but, I mean, can you get any more Law and Order than having your start witness be the least credible guy on the face of the planet?

  227. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    I think even the fact that it was a part-time investigation is stinky. Something this important and a full-time team couldn’t be utilized?

    I don’t know. At any rate, what’s ended up happening is exactly what Mitchell didn’t want to happen, that is, the focus is on who used what, how often and when, specifically Clemens, and not on let’s get rid of this infection.

  228. pat January 9th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Been gone all day and too much to read through so I don’t know if anyone else said this:

    Rumor has it that instead of having the hearings next week, the committee has requested that all the “invited” be deposed in the next few weeks so the commitee would have a chance to read through their depositions before a hearing rather than having to react to what they might say on the spot.

  229. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    mel

    murphydog had an excellent interpretation and analysis of the phone call.

    basically, both sides were coached by their attorneys and were trying to bait the other guy. nobody bit. oh.. and mcnamee has ice water in his veins.

  230. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Stay at home mom. Got it. Here i was thinking religion.
    SAMPSONITE. I was way off.

    My wife is as well. Whats her excuse for all the clothes and shoes?

  231. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Doreen: I refuse to believe Mitchell is that big of an idiot, though…he had to have had some idea that this was what was going to happen, at least with a name as big as Clemens.

    I’m not saying that’s what he wanted to happen, but he had to have known that the NY media would be all over it like, as my friend says, stink on s—.

  232. pat January 9th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Don’t forget McNamee was an undercover cop for 3 years. He knew exactly what he was doing on the tape. Won’t be shocked if he had his own copy of the tape.

  233. mel January 9th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    pat,

    That’s the way it should be. The Mitchell investigations did not give an indication to the players what “goods” they had on them. Courtesy calls should have been made to all the players to inform them that their names were to be included and to ask them if they would like to clear it up. It sounds as if the invitation was a blanket one and PA and counsel were telling players don’t go.

    Personally, I don’t care for the ambush tactics.

  234. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    The entire situation is spiraling out of control. And I really can’t believe Congress’ sense of timing. February 13th? For real? Have it on the 16th or decide it’s not worth it. Clemens is retired, and Knoblauch, but Pettitte is an active player who said his piece. Let him be.

  235. BBB January 9th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Boston Dave: I guess I was basing my impression that the Yanks would be willing to trade Matsui on a lot of the stuff that came out around the time of the Giants’ reported interest in him. Then I also read that they wanted to move Matsui’s contract before committing money to Santana, so I just figured they were shopping him. In the end it’s all mainly just conjecture tho, but what else is there to talk about during the offseason? Especially having had it up to here w/all the McNamee stuff, haha.

  236. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Anyone else tired of the Clemens and Santana days? Thats my excuse for changing subjects.

    Question?

    Who will be the player this year from the minor leagues to have a Major League impact in 08?

    I go with Horne. A close second is Miranda at first base.

  237. BBB January 9th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Wow, you ladies are making me feel very stingy with the closet space issue, lol – my boyfriend only gets 2 dresser drawers and half a shelf in my shoe/handbag closet!

  238. Mark McCray January 9th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    SOS-
    Mark Melancon

  239. Say it ain't so January 9th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    McNamee’s son is not dying. He has celiac disease and it’s not something that’s life threatening (this is just from what I’ve heard). Heyman was on WFAN yesterday and said that Brian Jr was having a hard time dealing with everything that’s been happening and the stress was weighing down on him, and he wanted Clemens to give him a call to cheer him up and let him know everything would be fine.

  240. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    BBB
    January 9th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
    Wow, you ladies are making me feel very stingy with the closet space issue, lol – my boyfriend only gets 2 dresser drawers and half a shelf in my shoe/handbag closet!

    And you wonder why us men look like we dressed ourselves in the dark.

  241. mel January 9th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    say it aint so,

    So when Brian told Roger “he’s dying” that was mental anguish?

  242. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    Well, SOS27, when did she last work? Plus in the infant to toddler years, all I wore were sweats/jeans/t’s. Except for when we went out. So my “working” wardrobe was either grunge or really, really nice.

    At one point I realized I wasn’t going back to work, and got rid of a lot of stuff. I hate clutter and every so often I get rid of stuff I haven’t worn (and then wonder, where is that pretty dress I had 2 springs ago?). Shoes, well, I like shoes but I’ve never had a shoe fetish! :)

    Rebecca,

    You would think Mitchell would have surmised that with a name such as Roger’s the media attention would be out of this world. But maybe that’s just it. I mean, the focus is off Selig and off MLB’s role in allowing steroids to become such a huge problem, and onto the tabloid stuff. He had to know, had to know, by published names, especially Clemens, the focus would be Clemens and nothing else.

  243. Say it ain't so January 9th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    Mel, I can only assume that, yeah. I’m going from what Heyman said on WFAN. And another person called there yesterday and the caller said that his daughter had celiac disease and that it isn’t life threatening. McNamee’s son case might be different, of course, I don’t have all the information.

  244. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Nice website Mark M.

  245. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    BBB -

    No problem. I just think both Damon and Matsui have taken too much unfounded criticism lately and last season. Both have performed well when healthy and I guess I am just being defensive. I don’t like the fair weather fans who dump on players during slumps or one bad season (esp. when they were hurt). I’m not saying you did any of this… just in general.

    In addition to being a true class act, Matsui helps the Yanks reputation in Japan (where plenty of future free agents will come from) and makes them some money too. Oh ya, and he hits close to .300 with 70 XBH in an avg year.

    I look forward to a nice rebound year for both guys.

  246. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    Say it Ain’t So and anyone else curious:

    Celiac is not on it’s own life threatening, but if untreated, it can become VERY serious and create life threatening complications.

    Celiac, as McNamee is using it, is what I am taken to mean a gluten allergy, which is only second to sugar in its prevalence in food products. It’s found in most breads and bread products, and a host of other foods that must be avoided.

    Long story short, cilla, or small hairs in the digestive tract, don’t work right and food can’t digest properly in the intestines.

    Ignored or untreated, blockages and/or runny diharrea can result, both of which can be life threatening conditions.

    It is a very serious, and unfortunately, more common condition, especially in those of eastern european descent. I would not wish it on my worst enemy.

    The digestive issues I have are mild in comparison.

  247. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Doreen –

    Clemens isnt exactly the type of guy to roll over and take it either. If they had put any thought into it, they would have seen the liklihood that Clemens would fight back.

    The focus is off Selig and MLB as a whole right now, but if Clemens is in fact clean… it could get dumped on their heads.

  248. Laughing Louie January 9th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    At the rate that the entire Mitchell Report is going, even the upcoming Juice Simpson trial will garner more interest.
    Then again, Simpson’s trial won’t have strong government style smear all over it.

  249. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Rebecca –

    I know several people that need to eat only gluten-free products (they both seem to love nachos)… is that likely Celiac?

    They are both fully functional and happy people… they just have to be careful with what they eat.

  250. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Hey Pete(r),

    someone asked last night if you preferred Pete or Peter and I didnt see a response. So?

    Also, do you typically read all of the posts in all of the threads? just curious.

  251. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Boston Dave: Could be; could also be Crohn’s or Colitis.

  252. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Boston Dave –

    You don’t wrassle with a Texan! Roger’s a cowboy, and he’s very proud. And ornery. They picked the wrong guy.

    I just hope we’re not all being played here. What if he did try steroids once or twice? But then decided, no, not gonna do that. Well, in his mind, he rejected steroids. That can easily be transformed in his own mind to having never done steroids. So I hope he is being honest with himself here, as well as to the entire world. And now, because of the vehemence of the denial, if it is found that he did use steroids, even once, he will never find peace.

  253. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Doreen
    January 9th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
    Well, SOS27, when did she last work? Plus in the infant to toddler years, all I wore were sweats/jeans/t’s. Except for when we went out. So my “working” wardrobe was either grunge or really, really nice.

    At one point I realized I wasn’t going back to work, and got rid of a lot of stuff. I hate clutter and every so often I get rid of stuff I haven’t worn (and then wonder, where is that pretty dress I had 2 springs ago?). Shoes, well, I like shoes but I’ve never had a shoe fetish!

    Are you my wife using another name? Accept for the I HATE CLUTTER part it sounds like the same story. She always blames me when she cant find that outfit, because i told her to give away her work stuff to someone in need. So when we go out somewhere nice(occationally)it almost causes a fight. So me being a smart man, i always try to do the movie or Olive Garden type dinner(sweats or jeans are o.k.).

  254. Say it ain't so January 9th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Thanks for the info, Rebecca.

    Here’s a link to Heyman’s interview on WFAN:

    http://www.wfan.com/pages/744503.php

    A little less than halfway through, Heyman says that McNamee wanted Clemens to give his son a pep talk because he felt that the stress of all of this was making him more sick.

  255. pat January 9th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    And the plot thickens…..

    Feds to meet again with McNamee tomorrow and he is requesting immunity from Congress

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01.....ns.html?hp

  256. S.o.S.27 January 9th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Boston Dave,
    The problem with Damon this year is that he came in to spring training not in shape. Whick I think the reason most fans were riding him throughout the season. I know that he couldnt work out in the offseason from i think an ankle injury. But if i can recall he came in bragging about his heavier weight.

    Matsui is a money maker,but unless we can rid ourselves from Giambi(angels). I think we need to find a taker. Too many bodies for the same positions.

  257. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    pat: Which is more or less McNamee admitting he lied about something

  258. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    Boston Dave, I’m looking for the `article now. Computer keeps bogging down, but, I’ll keep looking. It was in one of the NY papers today.

  259. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 9th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Well, at least this time it wasn’t me that killed the thread.

  260. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    SOS27 -

    You sound like a smart husband.

    Did they think these guys had slumber parties where they all shot up with PEDs or something? Why do they think that Knoblauch or Pettitte can shed any light on Clemens? All they can talk about is their own dealings with McNamee. It still doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with Roger.

    Also, I really don’t understand Congress being involved in this part at all. And all of these usages occurred before the 2005 hearings took place, so though the names are new, it’s nothing that took place after the new penalties were put in place. I’m missing something here.

  261. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Rebecca,

    I’m here to share the thread killing. I was having trouble posting all day – my posts from work have been posted waaaay late, and then later today I couldn’t post at all from my treo.

    Pat, if you’re still around – what’s your source for the rumors on the depositions? I can’t see any attorneys agreeing to that one. Clemens and McNamee would have to give depositions eventually due to the suit, but that won’t happen for a while. Anyone else has absolutely no incentive to put themselves through a deposition.

  262. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Still can’t locate Emery’s remarks about Hardin, but will keep looking.

    Also, in regards to McNamee’s 7 year old kid, he’s supposedly a diabetic.

    The SI article from Heyman had an odd statement in there, about McNamee having stacks of neatly folded diapers there. Why would a guy have stacks of folded diapers when he has 7 and 10 year old kids?

  263. Say it ain't so January 9th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    GB and BD, were you guys talking about the quote from the lawyer? If so, it was here:

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/01.....721245.htm

    “We would consider filing an ethics violation against him if he wasn’t doing such a poor job,” Ward said.

    I’m not even sure if that was what you were talking about, haha.

  264. Doreen January 9th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    I was just checking out the Trenton Thunder website. They have a “Joba Rules Ticket Plan.” Pick 10 or more games and you receive, as a gift, a Joba Chamberlain Trenton Thunder Bobblehead Doll!! Not a giveaway and not available at the store. Thought you should all know.

    Plus, Pete, you might like this one: The address for the Trenton Thunder is: 1 THUNDER ROAD.

  265. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Clare,

    Its pretty much everywehre now. Here’s an article with some info:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3189255

  266. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Pat,

    Very interesting about the feds coming back to meet with McNamee. Sounds like they may have some questions about his credibility.

    The spin from McNamee’s lawyers about the request for immunity from congres sounds weak. They say they are worried about other jurisdictions coming after McNamee – but why weren’t they worried about that before the deal was finalized? Repeating the same confessions to congress doesn’t open him up to any new potential liability – the only new jeopardy is if he’s lied the first time, right? Unless I’m missing something here.

  267. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Say It Ain’t so, yes, that’s it. Thanks for the help.

  268. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Say it aint so…

    thats the one. thanks

    pretty amusing.

  269. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    Clare,

    if you do see that ESPN article, Id be interested in your thoughts about it

  270. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Thanks Dave.

    If Congress is doing a serious investigation (the kind Mitchell should have done in the first place) why is it being limited to just the Yankees named by Mitchell?

  271. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Clare, thats a very good question (that Doreen’s also been asking).

    This whole thing is really shady.

  272. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    I have an idea that all 80+ players will be getting visits, or, at least they’d better. Hopefully, they’ll start collecting names of clubhouse attendants from the last ten years or so.

  273. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    As I tried to post earlier, Mitchell and Selig get to defend the report next week, and then it will be almost a month before Roger’s on.

    You have to wonder if the Mitchell protection plan is in effect.

    I initially wondered if the feds re-interviewing McNamee was because they were having doubts about his credibility, but it may be more likely that they’re looking for more ammo against Roger.

    The congresscritter quoted in the NYPost article linked above all seem like they’re forming their opinions solely from the talking heads at ESPN. I know blogs can be echo chambers, and I know I’m not at all impartial when it comes to Yankees and former Yankees, but there just seems to be such a disconnect between what people who’ve really drilled down into this (and read the report for themselves) think and what the rest of the world thinks.

  274. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

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    Getting visits from whom? You would think that they should, but none of the articles linked here say anything about anyone other than the people initially requested to appear at the hearing (Clemens, Pettitte, Knobloch, McNamee, Radomski).

    This is the problem with the report naming names, without even attempting to get all the names.

  275. pat January 9th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Clare

    I’m back but see you got the link you were looking for. I had to drive from NY to WDC and back today and listened to sportstalk for about 9 hours in the car. The 2 baseball topics being discussed in the DC area were the rumor about whether the hearings were being postponed for Radomski sentencing or depositions and a rumor about whether Brian Roberts is being traded to the Cubs for 2 young pitchers.

    I’m guessing the Feds can’t be happy with what McNamee told Clemens investigators about being coerced or some of the content of the phone call tape.

  276. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Clare,

    I think you may be right. I think every attempt is going to be made to cook Clemens and spare Mitchell.

  277. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    pat,

    i heard the Roberts deal is likely to get done (for Marshall and Gallagher).

  278. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    pat,

    the Feds cant have it both ways. They cant say McNamee is their star witness (and only source) and then say he is a liar about how he was coerced. I cant wait to see how they manipulate this one…

  279. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    One of the articles said that the union wasn’t going to get involved in the Congressional investigation.

    How about the Yankees getting involved? Maybe hiring some lobbyists, and trying to convince Congress to either expand the investigation to other teams or let it go. I mean really, aside from the obvious publicity factor, what is the point of having Congress investigate possible drug use among Yankee players?

    The Mitchell report was a private investigation. Clemens and McNamee can work out their defamation issues in court. What is the justification for Congress getting involved in the squabble?

  280. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Of the 83 or so people named, only a few have admitted to anything, yet, this seems to be a report solely on the Yankee clubhouse. I suppose it doesn’t help when the local papers have hacks like Heyman, Lupica, Raissman and about 6 others doing the writing. They can’t even be classified as sports reporters. Most are Rona Barett wannabees.

  281. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Clare,

    I wish someone had an answer for that question. And maybe it’s truly nothing but I still can’t let go of the fact that Mitchell is a high ranking Red Sox official who is going to ruin “the enemy” in a very limited report that had very limited evidence.

  282. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    pat,

    Thanks, I got it. I can’t imagine driving back and forth in one day. How about the train? The Acela is really the only way to travel between NY and DC, IMO (assuming you’re starting from the city that is).

  283. pat January 9th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    B Dave

    Cedeno is rumored to be included with the pitchers too according to story I heard.

  284. Fran January 9th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Clare – I agree with you. This hearing is supposed to be about PED use in baseball – not just the Yankees.

  285. GreenBeret7 January 9th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Clare, the only way to start fixing this is getting depositions from all the players named. That means a lot of flight time or players going to their local federal buildings and getting hooked up on conference/video calls.

  286. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    pat,

    yeah, him too. roberts is really good but thats a bit to give up. if the orioles are dumping bedard and going into rebulding mode, it wouldnt be a bad deal for them.

  287. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Boston Dave,

    You’re so right about McNamee’s credibility. The feds have a problem.

    It would be nice to see someone ask Mitchell about his conflict of interest and varying degrees of proof required for his report on the 15th. But I won’t hold my breath.

  288. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    GB -

    I think it was Brandon here on the blog who said that there is a pretty big steroid/hgh issue in the Dominican Republic and that it likely involved MLB players and/or prospects. He alluded that it’s fairly well known in that circle that Ortiz uses something. Who knows…. but its not like Mitchell or MLB is interested in doing a full investigation to find out.

  289. pat January 9th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Clare

    Such is the life of a Sales Manager. I spend more time in my car than my house. The bonus is I work out of a home office which lets me set my own schedule around kids and husband. I leave at 5:30 am, hit a morning appt. in WDC, an afternoon appt. in PA and can be back home in time to cook dinner.

  290. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Clare -

    Mitchell has somehow achieved “untouchable” status. His word is law and nobody can match his integrity.

    That’s why I pray that Clemens beats this… even if he really is guilty. As this has gone on, I’ve lost so much respect for the Mitchell Report that for me, the ideal scenario would be to have it completely discredited. I actually feel like Clemens is the little guy being attacked by the big powerhouse. They might be 100% correct but they are acting like bullies so you can’t help but pull for Roger. IMO…

  291. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Also, Mitchell should be asked about his LIE to the NYTimes.

    From a Q&A on the Bats Blog:

    NYT: Was there any possible corroboration of what Brian McNamee said about Roger Clemens?
    MITCHELL: Yes, it’s in the report. He told Kirk Radomski contemporaneously to these events what he was doing. So it’s a contemporaneous statement made to another person and each of them told us that separately not knowing what about the other person’s statement.

    First of all, that’s contradicted in the report itself. “McNamee never explicitly told Radomski that either Clemens or Pettitte was using steroid or [HGH].” Mitchell report, p. 222. Also, Ward has stated that there is no corroborating evidence or contemporaneous statements because McNamee never told anyone at the time about it.

  292. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    pat,

    That sounds rough. And I hope your hubby is either working even more hours than you are, or that he cooks as well. :)

  293. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    wow… good catch Clare. send that over to Rusty Hardin.

  294. pat January 9th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Clare

    Most days are in the NY area or in my home office so the days are much shorter. I love my children and would never subject them to their fathers cooking. He does dial for takeout really well though.

  295. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    pat,

    Lol. Dialing is my best domestic skill as well.

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    January 9th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
    so they have jdate.com for jewish singles.

    when are they gonna start NYYdate?

    I cant take another Sox fan. Help!

    That is a great idea!! I would help start it, although I have no idea how to.

    And why would Mcnamee need imunity from congress if he is telling the truth?!! HMM makes you wonder.

  297. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    haha Jennifer… maybe Pete can set it up for us.

    I would absolutely join!

    what do ya say Pete? this could be another cash cow for you!

  298. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 9th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Yeah Pete start it!!

  299. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Boston Dave,

    When that first came out, I sent it to a couple of reporters in the hopes someone might follow-up, or even note it publicly, but nada.

    I think Mitchell should thank his lucky stars that Brian Roberts is honest. Initially the most criticism of Mitchell’s report was that he named Roberts based on hearsay alone. That’s what I meant about his varying standards of proof. For everyone except AL East rivals of the Red Sox he required some sort of corroboration or physical evidence. For the Yankees he relied on McNamee’s word alone, and for Roberts it was just hearsay.

    If Pettitte and Roberts hadn’t admitted their limited to the point of negligible use right away, I think Mitchell would have received a lot more criticism.

  300. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Clare,

    Please compile your findings and let’s write a book!

  301. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Dave,

    What we really need is someone with deep pockets to do what Mitchell should have done – hire private investigators and former baseball people to talk to the clubhouse attendants, talk to the people running internet pharmacies, head down to the DR and talk to the trainers there, and then write a real report on steroids in baseball.

  302. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 9th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Clare I have one, Jimmy Buffet, he is a close personal friend of Alex’s. He can hire someone to investigate the soxs.

  303. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Clare,

    too bad Clemens isnt in with Warren Buffet like ARod is.

  304. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Jennifer – I guess we think alike

  305. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Jennifer and Dave,

    Good idea! And I guess I’m the last one to realize there’s a new thread.

  306. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Clare,

    Nothing exciting in the new thread… and we’re outposting them in here anyway.

    I did give you some props in the new thread though…. but no response.

  307. Clare January 9th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Boston Dave,

    I saw that – Thanks!

  308. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 9th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Oops I guess I meant Warren. Jimmy is the singer. DOH’

  309. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 9th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Boston nothing exciting :cry: You didn’t see my link of pictures of ys.

    http://www.ballparks.phanfare.com

  310. Boston Dave January 9th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Jennifer -

    it says its Bob Busser’s link of pictures… whats the deal with that?

  311. Joe January 10th, 2008 at 7:16 am

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    I said MY LINK!! I never said my pictures. My friend emailed the link to me, her friend took the pictures. HELLO Mcfly. :P

  313. Boston Dave January 10th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    ok jennifer… :)

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