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Pinch hitting: Holy Cow

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 12, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

January is usually a slow month for baseball news. So we’ve lined up a series of guest bloggers to entertain you. Next up is Tom from Holy Cow.

Tom is from the Bronx and has been blogging with his friends Mike, Dave and Connor for five months. He saus Alex Rodriguez and Bobby Abreu are his favorite players.

Here is his post:

Who’s the boss? That’s the question in the Yankees front office right now, and despite the power seized by Brian Cashman after 2005, right now, it doesn’t look as though he still has his power.

First of all, we have to look at what Cashman has done since being given full control. In the 2005-06 off season, Cashman gave Johnny Damon a four year deal to fix center field, and that has been with mixed results. His 2006 was very good and he filled a major need, but his 2007 proved injury prone and he needs to rebound in 2008.

Kyle Farnsworth was signed to a three-year deal that has been a disappointment due to inconsistency. Flash forward to the 2006 trade deadline, when he made the deal in which we gave up nothing particularly useful for a top five offensive right fielder in Bobby Abreu.

The trade of Shawn Chacon for Craig Wilson was a good one, that will never be recognized because Wilson struggled under his limited and wildly inconsistent playing time, but has a
career OPS+ of 113 and has hit .290/.389/.527 against left-handers. When it is considered how little we needed to deal for him, it’s clear this was a trade that was good, but didn’t quite pan out.

The 2006 off-season was where Cashman really got creative, as he swung deals, exchanging Gary Sheffield and Randy Johnson for Luis Vizcaino, Humberto Sanchez, Kevin Whelan, Anthony Claggett, Steven Jackson, Ross Ohlendorf and Alberto Gonzalez, while signing Andy Pettitte to fill Johnson’s void in the rotation.

Those deals did little to contribute in 2007, as Vizcaino was the only one to see significant time with the major league club, but it did help to restock the farm system with young arms, many of which are projected to see Major League time in 2008 with a degree of success expected.

There was just one significant midseason trade in 2007, and that was of Scott Proctor for Wilson Betemit, an excellent deal. Proctor was rapidly on the decline, with significant increases in ERA, walks, WHIP and a decline in K/9 and K/BB. Betemit was a 25-year old
switch hitter with tons of power potential and considerable enough plate discipline to make a difference. Betemit looks to be a platoon player at first with added value because of his versatility in the infield.

Thus far this off season, he did little more than re-sign the team’s free agents, but he did secure Joe Girardi, which was a major point in our favor as his bullpen management and in-game strategy should be a significant boost to the Yankees on the whole. Over the past two seasons of full Cashman control, the Yankees have drafted very talented players, including Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, and Carmen Angelini, while holding onto and developing holdovers from 2005 like Phil Hughes as well.

The information above makes it clear that Cashman’s clear talent is for drafting and developing, while his trades have all been strong, but his free agent signings have proven to be a mixed bag, with some great, some terrible. Recent reports suggest that Hank Steinbrenner has assumed much of the control, and Cashman no longer has it. I think it is clear that Cashman is an excellent general manager who has turned us into a very well run organization in a very short time and deserves the power he had and should maintain it. This is no knock on Hank, but Brian has been far above average and should continue to help us.

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561 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Holy Cow”

  1. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    Tom: One of my favorite moves Cashman ever did was get David Justice to the Yanks in time for him to save the Yanks’ season in 2000. The Yankees hadn’t even been aware Justice was available, till a call was made about a World Series ring, and whaddya know, Justice ended up in pinstripes…

  2. baseball expert January 12th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    hes gone if they are eliminated again in the first round

  3. Bronx Liaison January 12th, 2008 at 1:28 am

    The only way Cashman leaves after 2008 is of his own volition. Hank has made it readily apparent he would like to extend Cashman. The question is whether or not Cash wants to stay, not if he’ll be allowed to stay.

  4. mel January 12th, 2008 at 1:28 am

    Hank, like his father, will learn that it pays to surround yourself with smart baseball people.

    If Cashman left, he’d have a job within days. Anyone care to hazard a guess where he’d land?

  5. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 1:33 am

    mel: Hmm, large market team that can pay him, in need of much upgrading…?

    my money’s on the ChiSox, Chi Cubs or SF Giants.

  6. mel January 12th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    Rebecca,

    SF needs a major overhaul. Not too much sun either. But you know who’d be a perfect fit? The DODGERS. Over Hank’s dead body would he let his GM follow Torre. lol.

  7. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 1:41 am

    Hah! I am utterly clueless about the state of the Dodger’s farm system, though!

  8. dan January 12th, 2008 at 1:42 am

    Mel, I don’t think Cashman wants to work with Torre again. It’s clear he doesn’t trust him after implementing the Joba rules so that Torre couldn’t ruin his arm.

  9. Blondie (has more fun) January 12th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    LA would be a good fit.

    Watch, Torre won’t arrive before the 3rd inning and he’ll leave after the 7th inning stretch (to beat the traffic).

  10. mel January 12th, 2008 at 1:53 am

    dan,

    I don’t think that was a Cashman thing. Nardi Contreras developed the rules, but was it at someone’s behest?

    Although Cashman was perturbed that the “rules” were made public in the first place. Hmmm.

  11. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    Who was the first one to make the rules public? Joe? Brian? Someone I don’t know about? The media?

  12. Smadar January 12th, 2008 at 2:13 am

    Joe was the first one to make the rules public, and Cahsman was a little upset when he did.

  13. Smadar January 12th, 2008 at 2:14 am

    lol, Blondie. Why not? It’s not like any fans would notice.

  14. GRRRRRRRRR January 12th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    I wouldn’t put so much faith in Girardi as he is virtually inexperienced. He had ONE year as a manager and was out of a job. Granted it was a heck of a year, but lets actually see how he does before annointing him a great manager.

    I don’t bash on Cashman, but many GMs could do fine with the kind of payroll the Yankees have. I am not so certain that Cashman would suceed outside the Yankees either. If he walks he will be courted by Philly for certain, but I think it would be a dumb move on his part.

  15. whoa January 12th, 2008 at 2:54 am

    mel January 12th, 2008 at 1:28 am

    Hank, like his father, will learn that it pays to surround yourself with smart baseball people.

    Actually, the smartest baseball person that George hired was his first GM, Gabe Paul. The slope of his learning curve was then negative for the next 15 years.

  16. iYankees January 12th, 2008 at 3:04 am

    I think Cashman will stay with the club, even after this season. Granted, he looks like hell everyday, and he has to deal with the Steinbrenner powerhouse (which is actually evolving and becoming more complex). But, the Steinbrenners have also expressed an interest in keeping him with the club (even if the team doesn’t do well). If they throw enough money at him, they’ll keep him, especially with this youth movement on the rise.

    True, he’s not necessarily the guy who scouts players or evaluates all the young talent, but, his willingness to hold on to the kids we do draft and wait things out shows a much needed restraint (patience) that would be lost in the front office if he left. It’s different from Hal’s economical restraint and Hank Steinbrenner knows that. I think he’ll definitely end up staying.

  17. Jack H. January 12th, 2008 at 3:35 am

    Fantastic, well reasoned post! Well done, Tom!

  18. Chris January 12th, 2008 at 4:13 am

    Yowza

  19. jessica January 12th, 2008 at 4:18 am

    great analysis.

  20. murphydog January 12th, 2008 at 7:15 am

    “Tom is from the Bronx…”

    That was all I needed to read to know this was a good post. Seriously, nice take on Cash-money. I would tweak only this sentence: “The information above makes it clear that Cashman’s clear talent is for drafting and developing, while his trades have all been strong…”

    I think, FWIW, that it’s Cashman’s preference rather than his talent per se to draft and develop. It appears from published reports that Cashman realized that the Yankees’ money can be used to sign a great picks that drop from earlier rounds and worse teams due to signability or surgery-delay concerns.

    As for his trades, they have been on the whole productive (my favorites include the Randy Johnson and Sheffield trades, along with the Abreu, Lidle deal). But, it’s the trades he hasn’t made that have so far made the difference. Consider all the teams that wanted Cano and Wang over the last two-three years and were told “No.” If Cash manages to avoid making a Santana deal, and Johan goes to the Mets instead of Boston, it may well be that this non-trade will go down in history as one of the most critical decisions of his term as GM.

  21. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 7:40 am

    id like to see them give cash and extension before the season begins. i dont like leaving the guy hanging, he’s done a fine job, i like the direction he’s chosen, (seems he’s trying to emulate what Gene Michael did) and i dont like the idea of cash being left dangling all season. there will be rumors of his firing every time they have a 3 game losing streak if they don’t, trade deadline deals will be looked at as ‘desparate attempt to save his job’ etc.
    Also, if they sign him now, that would force them to all sit down and come to a solid working agreement on exactly how this Hank/Hal/Cash system is going to work. The clarity that came from Cash’s last contract signing was very good for the team and it may well be needed again at this point.

  22. Vader January 12th, 2008 at 8:22 am

    Hank has stated that he wants to extend Cash, but Cash has said lets see how things progress. I think he wants to see how the Steinbrenner Boys act during the season (panic, make trades, say stupid things) before deciding to resign long term.

    As for the post, it was one of the better ones, good job.

    murphydog, well put, if you don’t agree fine, but no need for someone to take a shot at a guest blogger.

    IMO, Cash has done a great job turning around the farm system. I don’t think people understand that Cash is trying to rebuild and contend at the same time. I can live with making it to the playoffs every year with a shot at a title, knowing that the front office realizes it has to get younger and build from within.

    If I remember correctly, and I’m paraphrasing, Cash stated at his press conference upon resigning in 2005, that if the Yankees could get fiscally responsible, build from within, that with their resources and $$, god help the rest of baseball.

  23. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 8:32 am

    vader,
    i heard that hank had said that but after saying no way arod returns, no way we negotiate with twins after dec. 3rd and other comments, i dont believe anything he says.
    also this thing with hank opining out loud about EVERYTHING is IMO counterproductive to the yankees interest, and signing cash may help to reign him in some.

  24. Vince January 12th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    Randy Johnson was the last marquee name George Steinbrenner was mesmerized with and “absolutely had to have”.
    Since then Cashman’s stamp on things has been felt with more voice in personnel moves.
    Like anybody, Cashman is not flawless but he clearly was overruled by George with player decisions not favorable to his way of thinking.
    George was furious after 2004 and virtually ordered Cashman to get Pavano and Wright at any cost. Sheffield negotiated directly with George. It was George that wanted Kevin Brown, Contreras, and Vasquez.
    The declining health of George saw many things change within the organization. Giambi is the last of the “must haves”.

  25. Phil January 12th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    “Hey, stud, I can only imagine how bad she must feel after waking up and realizing she gave it up to someone like you. Next time you’re thinking about sharing your thoughts here, take a pass.”

    Who made you the board moral compass? Take your own advice, murphydog! Glass houses…

  26. Phil January 12th, 2008 at 9:01 am

    -I think George’s best hire was The Stick.

    -Cashman already has an extension offer on the table from Hank and Hal.

  27. whoa January 12th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    # Phil January 12th, 2008 at 9:01 am

    -Cashman already has an extension offer on the table from Hank and Hal.

    Source?

  28. Phil January 12th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    whoa: SJ44

  29. GreenBeret7 January 12th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    Phil, it’s not like somebody shouldn’t have said something about a totally uncalled for remark. I don’t see it as being “the moral compass”. It’s one thing to think it, but, no reason for the crudeness. Nobody needs to let everyone know everytime they break wind.

  30. Phil January 12th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    I just don’t see murphydog as being the police of the board. It is not the first time he/she has done it.

  31. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    jeff goldberg
    hartford courant:

    Larry Lucchino is all Boston nowadays, but he’s still a Yale man. His alma mater was one of several stops Lucchino made Friday in Connecticut, his two Red Sox World Series trophies in tow.

    “We know Connecticut is an area of divided loyalties and we want to plant our flag more deeply here and propagate the faith.”

    The 2007 and 2004 World Series trophies were on display to the public, starting at the mayor’s office in New Haven Friday morning, stopping briefly in Waterbury, then at the state Capitol rotunda in mid-afternoon.

    “I thought it would be a little bit different,” Lucchino said. “But the trophy itself brings out the same degree of reverence that the first one has. When you put the two together, it’s quite a visual reminder of the new century.”

    the above happened on cashman’s watch.
    it’s nice to have a philosophy.
    it’s better to get the job done.
    i grew up in northern ct. you can imagine where i’d like to plant that flag in the carpetbagger lucchino.
    i’m not real happy with cashman either.

  32. whoa January 12th, 2008 at 9:20 am

    OK, thanks, Phil.

  33. Vader January 12th, 2008 at 9:22 am

    i miss bernie, I agree with you that I don’t believe everything Hanks says, but why would Cash respond to it if it wasn’t true?

  34. GreenBeret7 January 12th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    Phil, there’s also no reason to condone it, either. I’m sure the women on this board don’t particularly care for some guy thinking of women in that context. Considering the guy thinks he’s so intelligent, you’d expect a little more from him.

  35. Phil January 12th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    whoa: I guess it is not a true source, but I tend to believe him based on past posts and his dealings with Pete.

  36. Vader January 12th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    True, randy, but was it his fault that they blew a 3-0 lead?

  37. Phil January 12th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    “and signing cash may help to reign him in some.”

    I’m not sure Cashman signing an extension will reign in Hank. The owner-GM dynamic would still be in place.

  38. Phil January 12th, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Green: I am neither condoning his comments nor condemning them.

    “you do not: Use the site to post or transmit any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, vulgar, pornographic, profane or indecent information of any kind, including without limitation any transmissions constituting or encouraging conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability or otherwise violate any local, state, national or international law”

    Pete posted the rules. If he judges the post to be taken off, he will. I don’t need to see murphydog be the judge.

  39. GreenBeret7 January 12th, 2008 at 9:33 am

    Phil, the next time I see you make a remark to a troll, I’ll remind you of your stance. End of conversation.

  40. pat January 12th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    The presence of Hank and Hal has not changed anything that Cashman was promised. He was told he would be in control of the baseball operations staff both in Tampa and NY. That happened and is still happening. Nobody promised him that he was going to be in control of the Steinbrenners.

    While Hank has been a sound bite a minute, Hal Steinbrenner, not Hank, was the one who was named General Partner. Veto power lies with Hal, not Hank.

  41. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    vader-
    how’d they get the second flag? one could be lucky. two ?
    why does that make us more angry than cashman?
    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

    hanging out with theo should be worse than eating dirt.
    cashman appears to have come to terms with theo kicking his butt.
    it’s not my idea of how a yankee gm should react to the red sox having two flags in 4 years.
    i’m not saying cashman can’t do a better job this year, but he’s got to step it up.

  42. murphydog January 12th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    Phil:

    “I just don’t see murphydog as being the police of the board. It is not the first time he/she has done it.”

    I objected to Ummm’s comment, just like you objected to mine. I guess I don’t understand the problem.

    I’m not in favor of infantile, crass, tasteless comments shot at some poor guy who made the effort to contribute for our benefit while Pete’s on vacation. (Dude, I like, didn’t, um, like the guest blogger, but, um, let me throw in a gratuitous reference to, like, adult relations with a drunken woman in case, like, I didn’t get my point across).

    Before you rise up against the grown ups again, you may want to consider the limits imposed in the use of the site, including no “obscene, vulgar, pornographic, profane or indecent information.”

    Not my rules, they are the blog’s rules.

  43. murphydog January 12th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    Phil:

    One last thing.

    I disagree with you and think you are misdirecting some hostility you really have against someone else. But I defend to the death your right to voice your opinion here, within the stated limits.

  44. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    phil-
    ummm’s comments were offensive. what’s the big deal?

  45. Bronxbyte January 12th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Larry Lucchino must have rocks in his head if he thinks he can parade his damned trophy as close to NYC as he get get it.
    It’s the Boston little brother syndrome of saying, “Hey ! …look at me, I have new shoes”.
    The Yankees never have or ever will need to parade a championship trophy beyond Metro New York. Being the media capital of the world is all that’s necessary.

  46. hmmm January 12th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    “the above happened on cashman’s watch.
    it’s nice to have a philosophy.
    it’s better to get the job done”

    i hear you about 2007, but i honestly don’t see how the GM was to blame for what happened in 2004.

    how can you blame the GM for building a team that was capable of coming 1 out from sweeping the Red Sox?

    if Mo gets Mueller, the Yankees *probably* win the WS and Cashman is a hero. so what should he have done, acquired a better closer?

    if Clark’s ground rule double doesn’t bounce into the stands, the Yankees probably win the WS.

    if Torre thinks to steal on Wakefeild in extra innings, if Torre doesn’t use Gordon in a 19-8 game, etc. etc. etc.

    sometimes it’s on the players.

    that team should have won that series.

    were all the perfect moves made, no. but the team still should have won. not everything is the GM’s fault.

  47. bodhisattva January 12th, 2008 at 10:06 am

    murphydog,

    yes, you make a greatly overlooked point: it is also the deals Cash has NOT made that shape our destiny: passing on giving up Hughes for Santana, not dealing Wang or Cano, these are the decisions that will keep us winning for the next decade. Cano, for one, is on the verge of true greatness. He is a non-pareil hitter who will pull away from the pack so decisively over the next two seasons, people who wanted him dealt will never admit to it.

  48. LathamJoe January 12th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    “There was just one significant midseason trade in 2007, and that was of Scott Proctor for Wilson Betemit, an excellent deal. Proctor was rapidly on the decline, with significant increases in ERA, walks, WHIP and a decline in K/9 and K/BB.”

    Uh, lets not get carried away with the “greatness” of this trade, Tom. Proctor went on to register career bests in ERA (3.38) and WHIP (1.250) with the Dodgers while Betemit stuggled in the field, put up career lows in hitting (.226 BA/.278 OBP) AND he’s 30 poounds overweight at this point!

    Cash has made some good deals but this ain’t one of ‘em!

  49. Jim PA January 12th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    Did somebody say this morning that Betemit’s only 25? How long’s he been in the bigs?

  50. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 10:13 am

    bronxbyte-
    i’m glad to hear it ticks off someone else.

    there was this at the end of the courant article:
    “What I’d like to see is what the commissioner would like to see and I think all the teams in baseball, and that’s a thorough ventilating of the era, and I think Sen. Mitchell’s report helps do that,” Lucchino said.

    especially when one of your red sox cronies is mitchell. lucchinno is so in bed with selig, i wonder if the yankees are up against more than just the red sox.

    they talk about the integrity of the game and they let a red sox official investigate the yankees.

  51. Jim PA January 12th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    How can anybody trust an “independent” investigative unit formed by a commissioner who’s not independent himself?

  52. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    “i hear you about 2007, but i honestly don’t see how the GM was to blame for what happened in 2004.”

    i wrote off 2004 as dumb luck. lucchinno himself said any idiot can win once. the problem is that they have won twice in four years. after the first dumb luck win cashman needed to dig down and make sure dumb luck didn’t happen again.

    you and i both know the yankees weren’t ready to begin the season when they came out of spring training. cashman just seems to be going through the motions sometimes. he says all the right things ,but there’s no fire in his words. doreen made an observation the other day about cashman always looking tired. maybe he is burned out on the job. whatever it is, he doesn’t get his dander up the way he should.

    even now , are you certain he’s done enough to make sure there isn’t a third ring for the red sox this year? i’m not.

  53. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    came out of spring training in 2007.

  54. whozat January 12th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    “How long’s he been in the bigs?”

    He had his first cup of coffee at 19 in 2001 with the Braves, and came up more or less for good in 04, his age 22 season. In 05 he had a decent season in part-time play, and then was good with the bat in 06 before being traded to the Dodgers and being stuck back on the bench. He was actually hitting well with the dodgers — bad average, but walking and slugging a lot — when the Yanks got him. Playing mostly against righties, I feel pretty confident that he can put up an OPS of above .800, while being a solid 1B. I mean…if you can play 3B and SS tolerably, you can play 1B just fine with some practice. I really do think him and Shelley can provide league average (or better) production and D over there.

  55. whozat January 12th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    “even now , are you certain he’s done enough to make sure there isn’t a third ring for the red sox this year? i’m not.”

    How can he “make sure”?

    The Yankees came into the offseason with holes at 3B, C and CL. They signed the best free agents there were at those positions — and it’s not like anyone better was available in trade, really. They also signed the best free agent SP. They’ve also filled their rotation with high-ceiling young talent and, instead of signing veteran relievers to long-term expensive deals that they will surely regret (see: Linebrink), Cash has followed the Padres mold of pen-building: stockpile strike-throwers, throw against wall, see who sticks. Take MiLB starters who only have two pitches and convert them (Ohlendorf), consider breaking in starters who aren’t ready as relievers (Horne, Marquez), and get guys with good K:BB rates (Britton, Albaladejo). Mix with power arms (Bruney, Farnsworth, Veras) and a hall-of-fame closer and give it a run.

  56. yankee21 January 12th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    I’ll take Cash over any other GM in the game, but he is far from flawless,, but then again, what GM is? Tell me a name.

    More often then not, a GM is made to look like a genius by things beyond his control and look like a bungling, unprepared, over-spending fool by things beyond his control.

    You have to give serious credit to Cash for the vision and direction he has provided reference drafting, signing and developing the farm system, especially pitching.

    You have to give kudos to Cash for some of the restraint he has shown at the trade deadline the last couple of years.

    OTOH, Cash deserves criticism for carrying Nieves as the back-up catcher last year, and for the signing of Igawa. These actions cost them serious games. I also didn’t like him mixing with Theo, although as Vito Corleone famously said “keep your friends close, but your enemies closer”” Maybe that is the strategy there..LOL

    At the end of the day, I hope Cash decides to stay on. I think he is a big asset.

  57. GreenBeret7 January 12th, 2008 at 11:00 am

    Yankee 21, the signing of Nieves was necessary because there weren’t any decent backups that would come to NY for the same years or money that they went to other places. Yanks tried signing Hall, Olivo, Zahn and others, but they wanted to go where they would play more. As it turned out all, except Hall played more, and Hall ended up being hurt all season.

    This complaining about Cashman being friends with Epstein and going to a charity function in Boston is childish and BS. Since when are Yankee fans allowed tgo dictate who front office personnel, players or anybody else, whom they have as friends? As much as some people like to think so, it’s nobody’s business.

  58. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    phil
    thanks for policing the board

  59. Jorge (México) January 12th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    I would like Brian Cashman to stay with the Yankees for a long time. But I have my doubts about how comnfortable he feel with his new role. It seems Hank is trying to be an “Almighty” owner.

  60. Skippy January 12th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    “Kyle Farnsworth was signed to a three-year deal that has been a disappointment…”

    In order to be disappointed, wouldn’t you have to have had positive expectations?

  61. Jorge (México) January 12th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Comfortable he feels. Not “comnfortable he feel”. Sorry

  62. Buddy Biancalana January 12th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    whoa-

    The talk of an extension for Cashman was in the one of the NY papers not just from SJ44, Cashman declined to discuss one a this point.

    Here is is from SI:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  63. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    randy, how do u blame the G.M. for the team not being ready to start the season out of ST?
    seems to me like that complaint would fall squarely on the coacing staff and players themselves.

  64. susan mullen January 12th, 2008 at 11:10 am

    The media capitol of the world is New York City. But the sports media capital of the world is Bristol, Connecticut. Some may pass through NYC en route to the real money.

  65. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    susan
    i would have to disagree, bristol is more like the sports promotion capital of the world. thier reports read like they were cranked out by the league’s PR departments. When news actually happens (outside of a press conference) the ‘sport leader’ always starts with “Newspaper reports out of __________ say” or “The Associated Press is reporting…”

  66. yankee21 January 12th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Green,,

    Got to disagree. The need for an adequate back-up catcher is a consistent requirement. Yes, some players who might have been leaning toward coming to NYY changed their plans-happens all the time,, it does not excuse Cash though for not having alternatives lined up, even if it was plan D or plan E. Nieves was arguably the worst C in the bigs, no excuse for a team with all the Yanks resources to have to resort to him.

    Regarding childishness about Cash at a charitable function with Theo,,, there is no way we can agree on this point so let’s agree to disagree, ok.

    By the way, thank you for the service to the country. I’m 20 years retired Air Force.

  67. raymagnetic January 12th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    This complaining about Cashman being friends with Epstein and going to a charity function in Boston is childish and BS. Since when are Yankee fans allowed tgo dictate who front office personnel, players or anybody else, whom they have as friends? As much as some people like to think so, it’s nobody’s business.

    GreenBeret,

    I agree. Major League Baseball is a business, and in business you do not burn your bridges. What happens if/when Cashman leaves the Yankees? Should he burn the bridges with every organization that has beaten the Yankees in the past few years? Where would he work at next if he does that?

    It’s one thing to say that you think Cashman is a bad GM, it’s another thing to criticize Cashman for making friends within the business.

  68. Vader January 12th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    The only thing that Bristol, CT is, is the home ESPN, one of the most bias sports media capitals in the world. And last I looked it has gone from being a sports information outlet to a sports verion of Entertianment Tonight, Insider or any one the other lame, glorifing, hollwood tv shows.

    New York City will always be the media capital (including sports) of the world, as well as the marketing, finaincial, fashion and so on.

  69. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    guys, it was a CHARITABLE function! how could anybody complain about cashman going out of his way (he doesnt live in boston) to help raise money for a charitable foundation. either ignore it or commend him for helping raise money for a charity.

  70. ken777 January 12th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Come on people; When has a GM EVER won a game? He can try to get the right players, but sometimes they may not want to play in NY. Sometimes they go where they can play more, ever hear about a big fish in a small pond? NY has a lot of big fish, they would only be one of many. 27/08

  71. whozat January 12th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    “it does not excuse Cash though for not having alternatives lined up, even if it was plan D or plan E.”

    The GM can only get players that are available. All the decent FAs signed elsewhere where they could play more. Teams that have above-average backups usually aren’t looking to trade them in the offseason. Those deals crop up mid-year when a kid is pushing his way into the bigs or something…like with Molina. I’m just glad that Jose liked it here enough to sign back.

  72. GreenBeret7 January 12th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Yankee21, I’m not going to argue over your beliefs…Nobody is changing my mind or yours. As far as catchers, Cashman went after four available catchers and was turned down, because of years, money and lack of playing time. As much as some fans wish it, you can’t make players sign if they don’t want to sign….and, any trades made only results in getting held up. In the end, it’s doubtful that not having a backup catcher better than Nieves cost the Yankees any titles. They wouldn’t have played in the post season, anyway.

  73. GreenBeret7 January 12th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Whozat, the days of 3rd string catchers like Johnny Blanchard crying because he was traded from NYY to a team where he was guaranteed to start are long gone. What other team pays their backup catcher 2 million a year for 2 years to get into may 30-40 games a year?

  74. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    re: cash man’s appearance
    first of all, the man has sleepy eyes. he’s look like that if he had just downed a bottle of jolt.
    when i see him looking bedragled, what i see is quintessentially new york: classic workaholic, attached to his celphone, obviously up late the night before checking the midnight wire for any chance to help the club. When i worked at Time-Life, i always looked like that. Would you prefer some blonde streaked, overtanned, guy wearing sandals, looking like he just walked out of a spa?

  75. whozat January 12th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Whozat, the days of 3rd string catchers like Johnny Blanchard crying because he was traded from NYY to a team where he was guaranteed to start are long gone. What other team pays their backup catcher 2 million a year for 2 years to get into may 30-40 games a year?

    You’re saying a guy who can get a starting job elsewhere — probably for more money — is going to sign with the Yankees just cuz? I mean, a guy who knows he’s probably going to back-up, sure the Yanks can probably pay more and he’d probably accept that offer.

    But these are competitive men. They’re where they are because they want to play baseball, not because they want to take a check for sitting around.

  76. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    let’s cut the crap guys.
    the red sox have won two world championships in four years.
    you may be in denial.
    i’m not.

    i’m all for charity functions. cashman could have been at one of his own in new york.
    hanging out with theo, who’s kicking his butt, shows he’s not taking this serious.

    last spring, the yankees were not ready to begin the season. marty miller was cashman’s hire. you do the math.
    cashman is ok.
    he’s got to get better than ok.
    he’s got to reach down for another gear. if he doesn’t have one ,someone younger who does should be brought in.

  77. whozat January 12th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    “when i see him looking bedragled, what i see is quintessentially new york”

    hear, hear.

    I mean…seriously, people are lambasting the Yankees GM for not _looking_ energetic enough and for attending a rival GM’s charity event. Seriously?

  78. ken777 January 12th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Whozat
    Pavano….
    I know that is a cheeeeep shot, couldn’t help myself. 27/08

  79. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    “especially when one of your red sox cronies is mitchell. lucchinno is so in bed with selig, i wonder if the yankees are up against more than just the red sox.

    they talk about the integrity of the game and they let a red sox official investigate the yankees.”

    –Jesus, it’s amazing the amount of whining when things don’t go the Yankees way.

    First off, you do realize that the players and personnel don’t take the rivalry as much to heart as the fans do, right?

    To think that Senator Mitchell would compromise his reputation to wrong the Yanks is such sour grapes it’s pathetic.

    Do yourself a favor, wipe away your tears and do a little research into Mitchell’s accomplishments over his lifetime. It kinds puts things in perspective.

  80. whozat January 12th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    “I know that is a cheeeeep shot, couldn’t help myself.”

    Even if true, one counter-example does not generalize to the entire baseball population.

  81. Doreen January 12th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Randy l –

    I did say Cashman always looks tired. But I seriously don’t think he is burned out, at least with regards to the non-media portion of this job, which is the lions’ share, I would venture to guess. I think he absolutely hates having to share information with the media but is resigned to the fact that he has to give something. And he is the master at appearing to give information while revealing nothing. In his defense any inflection of voice would give rise to any amount of rumors based on the way he said a particular word.

    Tom,

    Thanks for your post. My very uninformed opinion is that since there is no longer the Tampa faction to fight with, even though Cashman isn’t enjoying the same level of control as 2006 and 2007, he is only aswering to the owner, and there is no organized contingent fighting against him. It sounds like, from what I read, that the Santana situation is just a situation where the there are pluses and minuses on either side of doing the deal, and there is active discussion going on. No one is trying to undermine Cashman. Hank/Hal will make the final decision, but so far their restraint in pulling the strings on the deal would seem to say that they put much faith in Cashman’s input. I think, ultimately, that is what a GM should expect from ownership. Only a fool would think the GM had more power than the owner. Even when Steinbrenner game him “complete” control, did anyone seriously think that Cashman would overrule a decision directly from George?

    So, the answer to Who’s the Boss? Same as always. The Steinbrenner ownership.

  82. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    randy….
    back away from the coffee machine and get a grip.

    but you know i may be coming around to your way of thinking…what if he really DID go up there to pass theo the secret strategy for landing Santana…..

    but then again, maybe he was up there to get the red sox secret johan strategy from theo….

    or..or… maybe hes a double agent, or a triple….

    this spy stuff is hard to sort out….!

  83. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    “Come on people; When has a GM EVER won a game? ”
    i would actually agree because an organization’s strength goes beyond just the gm. but if the gm is a weak link the whole chain comes apart.

    hank is now in the driver’s seat deciding if cashman is a weak link.
    i think cashman has to prove he’s not a weak link. it’s not enough to have a pretty plan. the job has to be get done on the field.

    some of you have questioned it being cashman’s fault for the bad start last spring.
    he did hire marty miller didn’t he?
    he did sign igawa to a 47 million dollar contract and not know that igawa didn’t pick up a ball until the first pitch of spring training.
    he did rush hughes into an emergency mlb start when he couldn’t throw 45 pitches before losing velocity.
    when wang was lost he couldn’t get the coach who taught him his sinker to help him because he fired him because of that pitching coaches tampa faction endorsement.
    wake up folks.
    cashman is not this perfect visionary who you have created in your head.
    that said. i just want him to snap out of it and bring his A game to the table.

  84. GreenBeret7 January 12th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Whozat, all I was doing was agreeing that if they get more money and playing time, backup catchers are going there. The story about Blanchard hapened in ’65. The Yanks needed a better defensive catcher than Blanchard, who, to be honest would have been a DH if they existed then. He cried when he was told about the trade and called Houk (GM) to call of the trade, that he’d rather sit on the bench in NY than play 1st string anyplace else. He said he was even willing to be strictly a bullpen catcher and removed from the roster if they’d let him stay. NYY traded him to KC for Doc Edwards, because Howard was on the DL and would be for a couple of months. Edwards, Jake Gibbs and Duke Carmel became the catchers.

  85. whozat January 12th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    The Yanks needed a better defensive catcher than Blanchard, who, to be honest would have been a DH if they existed then. He cried when he was told about the trade and called Houk (GM) to call of the trade, that he’d rather sit on the bench in NY than play 1st string anyplace else.

    Oh, I see. I got it completely backwards. I’m sorry :-)

  86. yanks61 January 12th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    GB7 – Your reference to Blanchard reminded me of a great book – maybe it was “Dynasty” (?) – in which Johnny told the story of his trade to KC. His description of those early Finley A’s and especially of Catfish Hunter being called into the game in relief, and having to make the journey from the BP to the mound on the back of Finley’s mascot donkey, is one of the funniest baseball stories I’ve ever read!

    By the way, GB7, I wish you the best in your latest battle. My wife went through this chemo business some six years ago and she’s ‘fit as a fiddle.’ One day we’ll look back on this stuff as barbaric, but it does work. ‘Bon courage,’ my friend.

  87. Todd January 12th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Who looks worse for his age? Brian Cashman or Jeff Van Gundy???? I don’t think either has ever been out in the sunshine………

  88. whozat January 12th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    “he did sign igawa to a 47 million dollar contract”

    Nope. He signed him to a 20 million dollar contract. Big difference when you’re talking about trade-value.

    “he did rush hughes into an emergency mlb start when he couldn’t throw 45 pitches before losing velocity.”

    What?

    “he did hire marty miller didn’t he?”

    Correlation does not equal causation. I have no idea whether he was responsible for those hammy injuries. Maybe he had some revolutionary program that players didn’t buy into, so they half-assed it and hurt themselves. Maybe it was just a coincidence, but the players lost confidence in him so he needed to go. Maybe it was all his fault. I don’t know. But you don’t either.

  89. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    “Do yourself a favor, wipe away your tears and do a little research into Mitchell’s accomplishments over his lifetime. It kinds puts things in perspectiv”
    nypd113th
    um, i spent a lot of my childhood in waterville, maine where mitchell was from. my aunt and uncle were close friends with muskie who was mitchell’s mentor. you go read your history.

    doreen -
    aren’t these sat morning chats fun : )

  90. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    “he did rush hughes into an emergency mlb start when he couldn’t throw 45 pitches before losing velocity.””

    last spring was record breaking cold. between freezing weather and cancellations, very few triple a starters got their innings base built up . hughes lost velocity after about 45 pitches at that time.

  91. Doreen January 12th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Randy l -

    Oh, yeah. :0

  92. GreenBeret7 January 12th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Yank61…thanks much appreciated. Like I said yesterday, I didn’t have 6 combat tours just to go out feet first. Everything’s going fine. I figure that the Yanks owe me 15 more titles, and I want ‘em. after that, I’ll just nasty away.
    Yeah, Blanchard was a character. He, Mantle and Maris were the best of friends. All small town guys living in NY. He worshipped Mantle, though. Blanchard talked about Mantle’s blast off of the facade against Bill Fischer in ’63 in the book “Explosion”. He and Berra said the ball was still rising when it hit the roof. He swears that he saw the bat bend when he hit it.

  93. GRRRRRRRRR January 12th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Mitchell was a partisan hack who has always over inflated his contributions and worth.

  94. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    “nypd113th
    um, i spent a lot of my childhood in waterville, maine where mitchell was from. my aunt and uncle were close friends with muskie who was mitchell’s mentor. you go read your history.”

    – This makes your whining even more confusing.

  95. GreenBeret7 January 12th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Yank61, I’ve read Dynasty. Great reference book. I lived about 45 miles from LaPorte Indiana where Finley had his farm just off of the Indiana Toll Road. The mule would be in the front yard. Hunter also told a few other things about that mule…one being that it was so old that the mane and tale had fallen off and Charlie Finley had toupees made for it. Hunter also said the players had a bounty on the mule. He and Kenny Harrelson threatened to kill it, and when Finley heard about it, he hired a body guard for the mule.

  96. GreenBeret7 January 12th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    Whozat, no problem…I don’t always type the way I think I do. I’ll try being more clear.

  97. ken777 January 12th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    Whozat…
    You are right about the sample I gave. Like I said; Cheeeeep shot on my part. Go for it, your ok. 27/08

  98. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    “rushed him” into an “emergency start”… seems like a contrdradiction there like “jumbo shirmp” (thanks george carlin)

    if the medical staff and the pitching coaches and manager say a guy is ready to start, what is the GM supposed to do order some MRI’s and examine them himself?

  99. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    actuall now that i read that, its not really an acurate analogy, please ignore my stupid analogy but my point about the medical staff and coaching staff ok’ing the guy is valid

  100. GreenBeret7 January 12th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    NYPD113th, Mitchell compromised his integrity when he took the job of doing a report that he had no intention of completing. Kind of difficult to check for other sources in other cities if you don’t go anywhere out of NY except for photo ops in Boston.

  101. ET90210 January 12th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Rolen seems to be headed to the Blue Jays. Interesting.

    http://mlbfleecefactor.com/200.....r-toronto/

  102. whozat January 12th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    last spring was record breaking cold. between freezing weather and cancellations, very few triple a starters got their innings base built up . hughes lost velocity after about 45 pitches at that time.

    In florida? Starters are up to about 80 pitchers per start before they even leave camp.

    You are really, really reaching for ways to blame Cashman for last year’s abysmal start.

  103. Buddy Biancalana January 12th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Rolen for Glaus very close:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7665630

  104. Matt January 12th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    All teams have general managers that work in concert with their field managers and ask for input as to what the manager needs to succeed.
    In the case of the Yankees, the question must be asked if Torre and Cashman worked in concert or did one or both have a fear of George Steinbrenner ? At the same time, does Hank Steinbrenner have a relaxed relationship with Cashman and Girardi and enough to value their input as to what the team needs are ?
    The general manager is the face of what has been put on the field and the manager needs to push the right buttons with the players based on his confidence in their abilities. If there’s a missing piece on the field, the manager should address it with his general manager and from there the ownership if necessary.
    Being the New York Yankees, money is not likely in the equation. This among other reasons why Joe Girardi turned down the Orioles and their unrealistic owner last summer.

  105. GRRRRRRRRR January 12th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Girardi probably knew he was going to be in the running for the Yankees, and that is the more likely reason he turned down the Orioles.

  106. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    rolen for glaus, that must be anit-endowment bias. both guys always look pretty good to other teams but always seem to underwhelm the teams that have them. dont know how rolen will do in the jay’s order bc i havent seen that much of him being oft injured and in the NL. Glaus i saw alot of when i lived in L.A.. He looks scary, big power hitting guy, but he’s a mistake hitter who can be easily had by a pither, and i always saw him as someone in the middle of the order you could get out if you just pitched him right.
    overall i dont see much difference, since rolen isnt likely to be in the lineup any more than glaus was.

  107. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    one more thing about rolen though, rolen hated bowa (it was VERY mutual) and flousished when first traded to the cards, now he hates LaRussa (who doesn’t?) and might have one good season after getting out from under Mr. I’m smarter-than-everybody-else
    then again TOR’s manager isnt exactly Mr. Sunshine either, is he?

  108. Clare January 12th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    Is everyone tired of discussing Clemens?

    If not, check out this NYTimes article, which totally buried the lede. It’s not til the fifth paragraph that they get to point:

    “Three members of the Blue Jays’ organization that season, including one of the team’s two trainers, said in recent interviews that they did not recall any abscess associated with Clemens that year.” (McNamee reportedly told federal prosecutors, but not Mitchell, that Clemens developed an abscess while he was allegedly receiving steroid shots.)

    Yet another blow to McNamee’s credibility, not just the conflict with the Toronto staff, but the discrepancy between what he told the feds and what he told Mitchell.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01.....ref=sports

  109. whozat January 12th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    “then again TOR’s manager isnt exactly Mr. Sunshine either, is he?”

    Yah. He got into a fight with Ted Lilly. Who looks so mild-mannered he seems comatose.

  110. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    who is this ‘clemmens’ of which you speak?

  111. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    the filter has been grabbing links i was trying to provide , apologies ahead of time if they all come later.

    i miss bernie and whozat-

    “I blame Brian Cashman for this. He had way too much faith in Carl Pavano’s ability to stay healthy and for whatever reason invested a lot of money in Kei Igawa. Now they’re paying the price. If Hughes gets hurt in two weeks, somebody has to answer for that.”-peter abraham april 26th,2007

    randy l
    April 26th, 2007 at 10:39 pm
    pitchers overthrow when they are tired. hughes got tired today at 65-70 pitches. it has nothing to do with stuff,poise, make up, and all that other good stuff. he just doesn’t have the arm strengtyh and endurance.
    you don’t learn on the job on a fatigued arm that isn’t trained for 100 pitches. it’s too dangerous.
    —————-

    it wasn’t just me saying hughes was rushed by cashman.

  112. LathamJoe January 12th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    I agree with Yankee21. Cashman is a good GM, but he certainly isn’t flawless. Whether it be by Owner’s edict to cut payroll or other reasons, Cashman failed to provide an adequate bench at the beginnning of 2007, and less than adequate starting staff and 2006 and consistent problems with acquiring lefty late inning help. that said, he’s done a marvelous job in streamling the chain of command for baseball operations and has rebuild the farm system back to respectability.

    Too much is being made of Boston’s successful run of 2 WCs in 4 years. Hey give them some credit, they are a well-run organization and are one of few teams with the financial resources to “make it happen” year after year. Doesn’t mean that they will ever enjoy a run like the 1996-2001 Yankees.

    In addition to good scouting, great baseball personnel and sound decision making, good fortune has much to do with an Organization’s success toward winning World championships.
    John Schuerholtz has been one of the top GM’s in MLB and has ONE World Championship to show for it, Billy Bean has none.

    The Minnesota Twins won two titles in 4 years (’87 & ’91)
    The Blue Jays two in a row (’92-’93)..it was just their time folks.

    Some say a GM’s goal is to get the Team to Post Season and from their it becomes somewhat of a “crapshoot”. Examine the past 15 years and the theory makes much sense.

  113. Pffffffft ! ! ! January 12th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    George J. Mitchell … huh!

    http://en.wikepedia.org/wiki/George_J._Mitchell

  114. Doreen January 12th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Bernie -

    I applaud you on your ability to stick to your guns!

  115. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    on wednesday i declared a personal moratorium on the following:

    former pitchers who pitched for both NYY and BOS (possible excepting david cone, Luis Tiant and Mike Torez)

    former senators from Maine (i still dont buy that it was a snowflake)

    former trainers

    ace pitchers for teams from the upper midwest

    and i cordially invite anyone else to join me in not writing about them

  116. vrsce January 12th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    MORE EVIDENCE THAT MCNAMEE LIED TO FEDS

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3193081

    He told the Feds that Clemens had an abcess on his butt (evidence of steroid injection). Yet numerous BluJay officials say he did not have an abcess.

  117. Buddy Biancalana January 12th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Bernie-

    Your moratorium include David Wells?

    Shea Hillenbrand also fought with John Gibbons, so that gives some merit to the problems there aside from Lilly.

  118. Pffffffft ! ! ! January 12th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    CORRECTION …..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_P._Mitchell

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Selig

    Now, there’s a pair that beats a full house.

  119. Clare January 12th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    vrsc (what’s your name mean anyway?)

    The ESPN article is just a re-hash of the NYTimes article, but they managed to write it better, and highlight the real issue, which is McNamee’s credibility.

    Sorry Bernie, but I’d rather discuss new info on this issue than continue yet another debate on Cash. :) I realize I’m in the minority here on that.

  120. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    good point buddy, we’ll add him to the excepted list, he’s as much fun as el Tiante!

  121. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    lotta people dont remember how torez and senor cigar ended up switching teams then starting against each other in the Bucky (f***ing) Dent game!

  122. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Morning all! Have I missed much?

  123. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    hi rebecca!

    turns out…dump on brian cashman day had been exteded

    apparently he is a red sox spy…

    mel’s concerned that he’s not getting enough sleep (of course mel’s not used to white people actully being white since where she lives they’re just a few tones lighter brown than the locals)…

    theres some kind of fight going on over connecticut…

    somebody had an abcess buttock…

    backup catchers really do matter

  124. mel January 12th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Morning, Rebecca. I’m right behind you.

    Seems everyone else woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

    Ugh, now we’re getting visual reports and team trainers discussing Roger’s backside?

    Hey, Doreen. I came up with 2 last night. One slipped my mind but I remembered the better one.

    Instead of Doom & Gloom, we’re Happy & Sappy.

  125. Doreen January 12th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Clare –

    No, I’m tired of the Cash hash, too. Not much new to say or read on that issue.

    The article said the last team to have Roger’s medical records are the Yankees, because the records travel with the player from team to team. It will be interesting to see if the abscess was noted. And also, while the article said that is more common for an abscess to be associated with the injection of steroids, it did not say that frequent injections of other substances (B12, for instance) could NOT cause an abscess.

  126. Doreen January 12th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Mel –

    I LOVE IT. Happy and Sappy. Yes. I couldn’t think of any good rhymes. So, we’ll be happy and sappy, and when we’re getting on peoples’ nerves they can just say, oh no, here come happy and sappy again!

  127. mel January 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    i miss bernie,

    HaHa. None of get enough sleep, but don’t look like that. And we have a term for people that white: shark bait.

    That’s why I said the other night that Cashman’s power makes him…oddly sexy. lol.

  128. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    It’s inconceivable anyone could foget an abscess on Rocket’s ass. IMO. Wonder if any pictures will surface.

  129. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    i miss you-
    just for you, since under that gruff exterior…

    “I blame Brian Cashman for this. He had way too much faith in Carl Pavano’s ability to stay healthy and for whatever reason invested a lot of money in Kei Igawa. Now they’re paying the price. If Hughes gets hurt in two weeks, somebody has to answer for that”.-peter abraham april 26th,2007

    peter’s talking about rushing hughes last spring. history is a good thing when it’s on your side.

  130. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Like photos of Rocket’s butt abscess in stages, like the new stadium pictures. Maybe McNamee and his lawyer have them and are just setting up Rocket. This whole controversy going to new levels.

  131. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    “MORE EVIDENCE THAT MCNAMEE LIED TO FEDS”

    – I read the article and it says THREE sources say they “don’t remember” them.

    So you will question the work of Mitchell, the word of MacNamee(which Andy PEDitte has corraberated), yet, you consider three anonymous sources with THIS info as “evidence”.

    Wow, quite objective. LMAO

  132. mel January 12th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    ThatWasMe,

    Now THAT would be a smoking gun, so I don’t think they do. Do you think that Roger would ever allow a picture to be taken of his butt?

  133. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Maybe Rocket will have to drop his trousers in front of Congress to search for scars. I wouldn’t put it past Henry Waxman.

  134. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    “Maybe Rocket will have to drop his trousers in front of Congress to search for scars. I wouldn’t put it past Henry Waxman.”

    – Like Naked Gun 2.5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  135. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 12th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Clare, Doreen

    Re: Medical documentation on Clemens’ abscess – it may well be non-existent. There is serious question about the existence of a paper trail for Clemens’ alibi – lidocaine and injectable B12. There should be prescriptions and M.D.s’ diagnoses for whatever back pain necessitated the local anesthetic. Those questions will be asked by the committe staffers. Clemens should not be self-diagnosing and receiving the injections he admits to w/o a pharmaceutical record.
    But the odds are very high that no such record exists. The lack of medical backup will not damage McNamee’s credibility. Rather, it will show that Clemens has no proof for his own alibi, and that he was involved in a chemical world outside of the realm of the licensed professionals.

  136. vrsce January 12th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    NYPD113th
    While you are LMAO you can cheque Roger”.
    There is NO proof or evidence that Clemen’s took steroids except for McNamee’s word. There are a number of people who are contradicting that testimony.
    Your bias has clouded your limited insight.

  137. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    “There is NO proof or evidence”

    – For a while there was zero PROOF that Bonds did it. I doubt you were as gracious.

  138. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    I don’t like the fact that Andy must report to congress the day before pitchers and catchers.

  139. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    drop trou on congress! excellent!

    (i once pissed on the pentagon!)

    mel, shark bait was GREAT! LMAO!

  140. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    “There are a number of people who are contradicting that testimony.”

    - No, no there are not.

    MacNamee has said he did roids. Roger is the ONLY person who’s said he DID NOT do them.

  141. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    I don’t like the fact that Andy must report to congress the day before pitchers and catchers.

    — Doubt he will. If he does, he has to make a tough choice.

    Either lie under oath or rat out his best bud.

  142. Alumny (lets not argue with 113 at all) January 12th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    I don’t think andy has any info on his friend clemens so he should have no prob testifying but the big problem remains that it could bother his spring training

  143. Tom January 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Hey guys, great to here a lot of the reviews, I made the full post on my blog http://ohholycow.blogspot.com/ (it was very long so I had to shorten it for its posting here), so you can check that out as well.

  144. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    guys, andy is a professional baseball player, flying into town at 6 am and pitching a league game that night is no problem for these guys.
    the day P’s & C’s report, there isn’t even a workout! i find it laughable that testifying to congress the day before reporting is going to be any problem…
    … unless knobby tosses him a pen and it puts his eye out…

  145. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Roger has a tough choice. Either come clean, where he would come out smelling like a rose (not Pete), or continue path toward ruining his rep.

  146. Clare January 12th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Brian,

    Seriously, Dude, get real here. “[I]nvolved in a chemical world outside of the realm of the licensed professionals”. That’s a whole different issue, and one that’s probably even more prevalent than steroids in sports.

    Besides, Roger already has confirmation of his story – and McNamee has none.

    GreenBeret7 posted this link to an article where the former Yankee sports psychologist supported Rogers B12 and lidocaine use:

    “I was with him a lot and I never saw anything illicit take place,” Pirozzolo said.

    He said he used to play golf and workout with Clemens. He even took injections of B-12 and painkiller at the same time as him.

    But he never saw anything involving steroids.”

    http://www.khou.com/sports/ast.....12e5b.html

    and NYPD – the sources are not anonymous. If you read the article you’d see they were all named, including the Blue Jays trainer and doctor. Here’s another related article that another poster linked to a couple of days ago.

    http://www.torontosun.com/News.....5-sun.html

  147. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Yeah this whole thing is turning into a big pimple on Rcket’s ass.

  148. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Am I the only one that woke up on the right side of the bed then? Cos that’s kinda sucky.

  149. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    “I don’t think andy has any info on his friend clemens so he should have no prob testifying but the big problem remains that it could bother his spring training”

    – LMAO.

    Absolutely! I mean best friends, workout partners, and the same trainer. I’m sure they never, ever discussed it.

    What would lead you to believe he DOESN’T alumny?

  150. Clare January 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    This comment got caught in mediation, so I’ll try reposting it in pieces:

    Brian,

    Seriously, Dude, get real here. “[I]nvolved in a chemical world outside of the realm of the licensed professionals”. That’s a whole different issue, and one that’s probably even more prevalent than steroids in sports.

    Besides, Roger already has confirmation of his story – and McNamee has none.

    GreenBeret7 posted this link to an article where the former Yankee sports psychologist supported Rogers B12 and lidocaine use:

    “I was with him a lot and I never saw anything illicit take place,” Pirozzolo said.

    He said he used to play golf and workout with Clemens. He even took injections of B-12 and painkiller at the same time as him.

    But he never saw anything involving steroids.”

    http://www.khou.com/sports/ast.....12e5b.html

  151. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    I think it’s funny that roger will get more HOF consideration if he comes clean than if he doesn;t.

  152. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    The White House taping system, Monica Lewinski’s dress, Rockett’s abscess. I’m glued to the story.

  153. Clare January 12th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Second part of comment caught in mediation:

    and NYPD – the sources are not anonymous. If you read the article you’d see they were all named, including the Blue Jays trainer and doctor. Here’s another related article that another poster linked to a couple of days ago.

    http://www.torontosun.com/News.....5-sun.html

    There are now at least 4 sources on the record from Toronto and the Yankees saying they saw no sign of Clemens’ using steroid, including the team doctor, trainer and chiropractor.

  154. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    It’s a pity on rog if he is telling the truth because nobody believes him. At least the reporters don’t. And it doesn’t help his cause that he flipped them off in his press conference. “You think I care about the Hall of Fame, you can keep your stinkin’ Hall of Fame.”

  155. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    “There are now at least 4 sources on the record from Toronto and the Yankees saying they saw no sign of Clemens’ using steroid, including the team doctor, trainer and chiropractor.”

    - Didn’t he supposedly start in his last season with Toronto.

    What Yankee doctor/trainer said they didn’t see him.

  156. Clare January 12th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    NYPD,

    You’ve missed a lot of the discussion here. Most here believe there’s no way Andy would know if Roger was doing steroids because, McHamee himself said he believed Roger when he said he didn’t know about Andy’s brief use of HGH. (See the Heyman article). Clearly it wasn’t something the three of them talked about. If Roger didn’t know about Andy, why would Andy know about Roger? (Assuming, for the moment, there was anything to know.)

  157. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Clare,

    Don’t you think rog’s head and body size has changed?

  158. Alumny (lets not argue with 113 at all) January 12th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Even if Clemens was taking steroids he wouldn’t have told Pettitte cause Pettitte is the kind of guy not to like steroids and stuff and would try convincing not to do it. (and yes i know Pettitte took HGH but that doesn’t change his character kind of guy)

  159. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    “McHamee himself said he believed Roger when he said he didn’t know about Andy’s brief use of HGH”

    – So wait.

    Now you are picking and choosing what you believe that comes out of MacNamee’s mouth.

    It wouldn’t happen to be based on pro or anti Yankee info, would it?

  160. Clare January 12th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    NYPD,

    The Yankees sports psychologist who had the locker next to Clemens in NY, who’s quoted in the article I linked to in my 2:30 post.

  161. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    “Even if Clemens was taking steroids he wouldn’t have told Pettitte cause Pettitte is the kind of guy not to like steroids and stuff and would try convincing not to do it. (and yes i know Pettitte took HGH but that doesn’t change his character kind of guy)”

    – You mean the guy that took them is the guy whom isn’t the “type of guy” who’d like ‘roids.

    Ummmmmmmmmmmm, OK.

    And how do you know all this inside personal info.

  162. mel January 12th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Congress delaying and taking depositions actually helps Andy. Behind closed doors with counsel, he won’t be put on the spot. He can just give his side of the story which should be the focus. This isn’t a trial, and Andy shouldn’t be forced to be a “witness” for the prosecution.

  163. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    “sports psychologist who had the locker next to Clemens in NY”

    – And you think that Roger would’ve taken such injections INSIDE the Yankee locker room.

    Didn’t MacNamee say that it was in the off season. What info at all would a sport psychologist have here?

  164. Clare January 12th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    NYPD,

    Even liars tell the truth sometime. When someone says something against their own interest, or something that cuts against the credibility of their story, then yes, I might believe them.

    We already know McNamee tells the truth sometimes, because Roberts and Pettitte corroborated it.

    In evaluating the truthfulness of the rest of his story, you need to look at other factors. So far, nothing I’ve seen would lead me to believe McNamee over Clemens.

    And yes, obviously I have a Yankee bias, but that doesn’t negate the fact that all the information that has come out since the Mitchell report makes the accusation against Clemens look shakier all the time.

  165. Alumny (lets not argue with 113 at all) January 12th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    How do I know all this inside info. Cause I know Pettitte. Andy wouldn’t have taken HGH for the fun of it AND he wouldn’t have taken steroids at all. I know Andy thats how I know.

  166. Clare January 12th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    NYPD,

    Okay, I’ve taken you seriously and answered all your posts to date, but now you’re heading into troll territory.

    If you don’t know even the most basic facts about this issue (when McNamee alleges he injected Roger) then there’s no point continuing this conversation.

  167. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    “So far, nothing I’ve seen would lead me to believe McNamee over Clemens.”

    — For me, Peditte coraberating Mac’s story 100% is huge, especially since those two are best friends and workout partners.

    Other than his word, what would lead you to believe Roger did not do it?

  168. mel January 12th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Rebecca,

    Nope. You’re not the only one. After 2 days of rain, it’s gorgeous here. The sun is out and the birds are singing (really). Besides, how can anyone be grumpy on Division Saturday?

    Packs and Pats!

  169. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    “HGH for the fun of it ”

    I agree. HGH is taken to give on an advantage. It allowed him to heal quicker than those who try to heal naturally without the use of drugs.

    So either way, the REASON it was taken really doesn’t matter.

  170. Doreen January 12th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    NYPD113th

    People choose what they want to believe. Obviously you choose the negative. Some people choose rose colored glasses. I think the preponderance of contributors to this blog are trying very hard to keep an open mind, perhaps swaying one way or another, and sometimes both depending on the color of the sky. Fact is NONE OF US know anything for sure.

    I just ask you, have you told your best friend EVERYTHING that you’ve every done; specifically, the less savory ones? And no one’s saying Andy, Roger and McNamee didn’t discuss steroids/HGH at all; just that it is not unreasonable to assume that if one or the other tried it, they would not necessarily tell the other. Think about it, use some logic. Roger says he can’t abide steroids and is rah-rah about his workout (whether or not he did them aside). Andy decides his injury isn’t healing fast enough so he decides to try HGH, but probaby thinks if Roger finds out, Roger will think less of him. And then Rogers side, he has been against steroids and rah-rah about his workouts, but then decides for whatever reason to give steroids a shot. Is he going to tell Andy or whoever else that he took them after being so vocal about the efficacy of the workouts? I highly, highly doubt that. It’s just human nature.

    And as a fellow human being I know that there is a deep capacity within human beings to keep things that would damage their own reputations to themselves.

  171. UtilityManDad January 12th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Good AfterNoon Everyone

    Just heard Evan Roberts on WFAN say that it looks like Joba will be starting the season in the bullpen.First time this offseason I have heard of this.
    I like the idea of having him contribute to 50-60 games a yr,compared to 30-35 as a starter.That is just my opinion.

    Has anyone heard this rumor recently???And what are your thoughts.

  172. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    So far, has any reporter asked Andy if he knows about roger?

  173. Doreen January 12th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    On the Yankee Hot Stove on Thursday night I believe Brian Cashman said that the plan was for Joba to prepare for the season as a starter, but that there was a possibility he would see work in the bullpen in order to keep his innings count down.

  174. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    “NYPD113th

    People choose what they want to believe. Obviously you choose the negative.”

    – Wow, talk about biased.

    Couldn’t you argue that many fans around the country that want to see drugs eradicated from the game say that my viewpoint is actually “positive” while yours is “negative”?

  175. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    UtilityManDad: That’s really interesting if it’s true, but not a huge surprise.

    The Yankees didn’t do much to improve their bullpen, and Joba has shown that he can succeeded in the pen so it really isn’t all too surprising.

    I do, however, think it’s a bit of a crime if they don’t at least try Joba as a starter, and then see what hapens. If he’s better in the bullpen, he’s better in the bullpen, but that’s no reason not to try him elsewhere.

  176. susan mullen January 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    I’m so relieved- MLB.com said in the past day both Larry Lucchino and Theo Epstein have thrown their support behind George Mitchell. And they all agree no attention should focus on names not already mentioned. Gosh, I’m grateful to know we can just focus on the Radomski/McNamee names. Reporters? Rob Dibble and Kevin Kennedy explained the situation with reporters vs this and other issues yesterday. Dershowitz may have a point–Clemens should take the 5th even if he’s innocent.

  177. Clare January 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Just a thought, but what precinct was McNamee in when he was on the NYPD?

  178. UtilityManDad January 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Doreen

    I saw that on Thursday Nite….he said something about skipping a pitcher along the way.

  179. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Good AfterNoon Everyone

    “Just heard Evan Roberts on WFAN say that it looks like Joba will be starting the season in the bullpen.First time this offseason I have heard of this.
    I like the idea of having him contribute to 50-60 games a yr,compared to 30-35 as a starter.That is just my opinion.

    Has anyone heard this rumor recently???And what are your thoughts.”

    – What happened was, Hank was asked where Joba would begin the season. Hank said he’d start, therefore, he’ll be in the pen.

  180. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    “Just a thought, but what precinct was McNamee in when he was on the NYPD?”

    I believe something like the 13th or Midtown South, not sure though.

  181. mel January 12th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    UtilityMan,

    It was linked in an article here 2 days ago. I didn’t read it, but it didn’t create a “furor” here.

    Of the three Joba’s got the lowest IP count. He’s also got bullpen experience. Makes sense.

    I’m more interested in seeing the kids finish the season rather than be shut down because they reached their IP limit. So however the baseball guys deem it should be, who are we to question it? (many will of course!)

  182. Clare January 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    joe,

    Andy hasn’t talked to the press since the Mitchell report came out. He issued a statement, but hasn’t met with reporters. He was planning on having a press day in NY prior to spring training, but the delay of the Congressional hearing means that won’t happen. He’ll have a fun time the first day of ST.

  183. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    When will Hank officially take the title of GM?

  184. UtilityManDad January 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    If your in the NYC/Jersey area…then turn on WFAN now….Evan Roberts said he was going to discuss the Joba thingy after the update.

  185. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    clare,

    when andy hinted at retirement, do you think this whole fiasco was in the back of his mind? I can’t see him lying under oath.

  186. pat January 12th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    “Just a thought, but what precinct was McNamee in when he was on the NYPD?”

    LOL!!!

  187. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    actually considering the situation, i think joba in the pen is a great idea. i suppose they’ll have him start until late in ST and then work him into the BP. sure fills a hole! if kennedy or hughes cant hack it in the rotation, thay can always change thier minds and send joba down to scranton and flip him back to starting. he certainly cant be in the rotatioin all year with that innings limit, but what happens next year if he only goes 90 innings this season? it may be that he ends up never starting for the yanks and just goes from set-up to closer.

  188. Doreen January 12th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    NYPD113

    Your tone is negative and close-minded.

    Erradicating PEDs from sports would be a wonderful thing. I just object to rushing to judgment based on spurious evidence.

  189. Tom January 12th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    LathamJoe,

    I believe you forgot to mention that Scott Proctor now pitches in the land of no offense, and you have to factor that in when comparing the difference in his WHiP between NY and LA, which ended up being about .25, not a huge difference. Its also important to point out guys like Dan Wheeler, who also changed leagues and experienced similar differences in his ERA, WHiP, BB/K, K/9 and BB/9. The change of leagues is difficult to understate when you look at how poorly Proctor pitched for us, and how much better he did for the Dodgers. Throw in some overuse and you have yourself a great candidate to improve down the stretch and thats what Proctor did.

  190. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Here’s a sample coversation between Rog and Andy.

    Andy: Man, we got Congress tomorrow. I can’t lie to them.
    Roger: It’s up to you man.
    Andy: What do you want me to do, man?
    Roger: I just want someone to tell the truth.
    Roger shuts off tape recorder.

    Man, Andy is on the spot if he knows something.

  191. mel January 12th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    http://www.wfan.com/

    For those outside of NY/NJ

  192. bodhisattva January 12th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    LathamJoe,

    Couldn’t disagree more. Proctor is the epitome of mediocre. His curveball was a coming-and-going affair, so 50 percent of the time he was exposed. He flew under the radar to some degree because people forget his penchant:

    1). If we’re ahead, he gives up the tying run and gets a pat on the back
    2). If we’re tied, he gives up the go-ahead run and gets a pat on the back
    3). If we’re behind by a run, he gives up another run to widen the gap – and of course, gets another pat on the back.

    And finally, he does not have the mentality for a late-innings guy whatsoever. He’s also 30 years old. Betemit is useful off the bench, and can actually field. Even if he flat out sucked, it would be addition by subtraction. The danger of Proctor was that people like you mistook his mediocrity for reliability. That’s far worse than a red flag guy like Felix Heredia (at least he was a lefty).

  193. UtilityManDad January 12th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Thanks for posting that mel

    Im listening on my radio right now

  194. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    “NYPD113

    Your tone is negative and close-minded.

    Erradicating PEDs from sports would be a wonderful thing. I just object to rushing to judgment based on spurious evidence.”

    – My point was, you determined that I was the one with the “negative” view on this.

    Isn’t it fair to say that outside of Yankeeland I am the one with the “positive” view?

  195. pat January 12th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    All this Joba to the pen talk is from an interview from Hot Stove on YES. Cashman said no final decision has been made. Cash doesn’t know but Evan Roberts does?

  196. Doreen January 12th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    How could hoping someone is proved guilty of using steroids a positive view?

    Now, saying that you hope that baseball can get rid of steroids, saying you hope they can fairly deal with proven cheaters, that is positive.

    But you are on a Yankees blog, and I would guess that for the purposes of the conversations here, the more positive view would be holding out hope that Clemens is innocent of the charges by McNamee.

    I would also hope that just because someone spent time in one uniform or another that the rules or the courtesy extended wouldn’t change. I am not happy if any player faces such accusations, and even less happy if the accusations are proved true. I take no pleasure in someone else’s pain.

  197. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    I mean, people, no response to the irony of Roger’s coming clean clearing up his image, ala Giambi, while continuing to claim innocence could keep him out of HOF? C’mon people work with me.

  198. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    As much as I love him and always will…Andy has lied before, and he’ll lie again…

  199. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    when did andy lie?

  200. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    and when did he lie before congress?

  201. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    I continue to say that if Roger breaks down, admitting to using and perhaps sheds a tear, he will be vindicated.

  202. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    History will show: The first round of congress-grilled users (Mac, Sosa, Palmeiro) will take the harshest beating as far as HOF…but I wouldn’t be shocked if eventually the writers start taking the Olney stance and even succumb to putting some of them in some day.

    Re: the next round of the exposed…Bonds, Clemens..the underlings (Jose Guillen, et al) the only way they don’t get in is if they do prison time.

    The GMs don’t care about past use…they sign the guys that can still produce (cameron, guillen, mota, many others)..and ultimately the sway in the wind opinioniated writers will put the worthy ones in the hall….the steroid stigma is lessening already…years from now it may be gone altogether.

  203. NYPD113th January 12th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    “How could hoping someone is proved guilty of using steroids a positive view?”

    – I think if you have someone who not only cheated but lied about it and he is then outed is VERY POSITIVE.

  204. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    andy lied to the media about using PED’s up until he couldn’t lie anymore b/c mitchell had him nailed.

    There are strong rumors Andy initially left NY for Houston b/c his wife had been fed up with filandering…

    He’s no saint.

  205. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Thanks for the feedback.

  206. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    don’t take others lack of feedback so personally….people nowadays, particularly bloggers, have the attention spans of gnats.

  207. UtilityManDad January 12th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    pat

    I was just just letting paople know that Evan Roberts was going to be talking about Joba……..I saw the Hot Stove show on Thursday.

    A little Baseball talk instead of steroidgate.

  208. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Andy’s not a Saint, no one is.

    These are baseball players, not religious icons.

    Well, at least, they’re not supposed to be…

  209. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    bx bomber
    thanks for your concern, it just seems that anything involving a little deeper thinking or controversial gets glossed over yet formulaic “opinions” get tossed around like fact.

  210. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    yeah, I agree…no one is a saint.

  211. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    you get what you pay for joe….this ain’t no mensa meeting.

  212. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Maybe Andy lied by omission. I haven’t read or heard much about him being grilled about steroids.

  213. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    it coitanly aint bb.

  214. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    nypd113th-
    why do i get the feeling that the cases of a lot of the people you arrested were dismissed for a lack of evidence?

  215. pat January 12th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    UtilityDad

    I’ve been around here (and NY in general) long enough to know that rumor is often seen as fact. Sometimes those in the media say things for ratings and reaction and often it has nothing to do with fact.

    Just trying to avoid the chicken little posting before it began.

  216. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    There were plenty of questions for Andy when the LA Times/Grimsley speculation first started….he’s lied.

    Who cares though…who amongst the media has not lied in their lives?

  217. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    So…

    Who’s ready for some football?

  218. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    I’d rather him lie about using HGH for 2 days and have a clear mind and be able to take the mound every fifth day than have him answer to the media’s every whim, make his life an open book, and get worn down to a nub….a la giambi, minus the honesty.

  219. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Andy does have a stellar rep, though. But one time in ST I gave him a big hello, as he was just standing there , when he was with the Stros and he just ignored me in my Yankee cap and attire.

  220. jashell2000 January 12th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    i miss bernie

    “it may be that he ends up never starting for the yanks and just goes from set-up to closer.”

    This is not a horrible thing. I think folks get pretty worked up about this guy potentially landing in the pen (and dominate).

    Yes, I think everyone’s wish is that he becomes the frontline starter that we need in the playoffs, but becoming Mo’s heir would get no complaints out of me as a plan B. This team was completelly different when Joba joined the pen later in the year and even with average starting pitching teams had to score early or it was over by the 7/8 inning. I believe this formula along with timely hitting and defense ultimately propelled us into the playoffs last year. I am extremely anxious to see how Girardi handles this in ST. good stuff!

  221. UtilityManDad January 12th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    oh boy

  222. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    I can’t imagine what he’s going thru now when it comes to possibly lying before congress about roger. that is perjury.

  223. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    uh Mr Pettitte, “did you ever discuss steroid usage with Mr. Clemens?” What does he say?

  224. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Clemens isn’t really on trial…congress didn’t ask sosa about mcgwire’s use or palmeiro about sosa’s use. They may not even ask Andy about Clemens’ use.

    The whole thing is to put pressure on the player’s union and Selig to continue to move the drug testing in the right direction and send a message to voters that their children won’t grow up in a country where steroid use is accepted.

  225. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    If it does become the soap opera we’re all envisioning then I’m sure Clemens, Andy, and the million dollar legal team have discussed an appropriate tact over a nice steak dinner somewhere in Houston, recently.

  226. Blondie (has more fun) January 12th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    joltin joe-

    Andy says,

    “you want the truth!”

    “YOU CAN’T HANDLE DA TRUTH !!”

  227. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    (I guess no one is ready for some football. Oh well, can’t say I didn’t try)

  228. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    BB

    What do you think of the idea that if Rog breaks down, before or during Congress and admits to using, he will be vindicated in the court of public opinion? Could you envision this happening?

  229. UtilityMan January 12th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Sorry Rebecca

    I am ready for some…….FBall!!

  230. Blondie (has more fun) January 12th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    You’d think congress would have their hands full trying to catch bin laden and alberto gonzalez, instead of auditioning for a Judge judy/people’s court show.

  231. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Is Rog’s lawyer with it? I mean, passing him notes to lighten up and agreeing with rog that yes indeed he will spend millions. may be time for a new dream team.

  232. Detective Bobby Crocker January 12th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    For the curious ones, call the 113th Precinct at 167-02 Baisley Boulevard in Queens @ (718)712-7733 and ask for Officer Hotshot. They’ll know who you mean.

  233. Blondie (has more fun) January 12th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    It’s really warm in Green Bay – 30°F

  234. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    where is that fla. judge from the bronx been? whatshisname?

  235. mel January 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Futbol!!!!!

  236. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    crocker, werent u on kojak?

  237. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    LETS GO GIANTS!!!!!!

  238. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    he used to be a cabbie.

  239. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    bronx bomber-
    i think this time it’s going to be different in congress this time as far as asking about other players because in the defamation suit ,the feds interviewing mcnamee are shown in a way that makes it look like they forced mcnamee to lie about clemens.

    the feds don’t take kindly to being investigated themselves. if you notice they haven’t responded yet. they will.

  240. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    he did the marilyn monroe lookalike case,,what has happened to my mind?

  241. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    The only way I could envision him pulling a complete 180 on the staunchest of denials we’ve ever seen by breaking down and crying would be in some kind of horrible movie of the week script.

    IF for some reason that did happen, there would be those in the media who crucified him and those who vindicate him…ultimately he’d probably be given a free ride, especially if he spun it where now he’s Mr. Anti-steroids…becoming a spokesmen, etc…thats what everybody claimed they wanted to see from McGwire.

    Never happen though…never.

  242. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    im so fired up for TOMORROW’S game that i need a takling dummy to work off some aggrssion!
    o good my g/f will be home soon…
    LETS GO GIANTS!!!!

  243. UtilityMan January 12th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    joltin joe

    Jerry Seidlin

  244. Blondie (has more fun) January 12th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Judge Larry

  245. UtilityMan January 12th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    check that Larry Seidlin

  246. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    maybe it will be different, randy. Marion Jones is doing prison time…maybe they are really looking to make an example out of these PED users.

    I think they’ve done enough though…there are bigger problems for my tax dollars to solve.

  247. UtilityMan January 12th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    check that Larry Seidlin

  248. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Randy…i can’t imagine the feds 1st question to andy not being, did you discuss steroids with Mr clemens? Did he mention his usage to you or you to him?

  249. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Bx Bmber

    Then he will meet the fate of Pete Rose and never get into the Hall, a place he derided, as well as reporters in general, the other day.

  250. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    ah yes Larry, the sidler, Seidlin. I thought he had a future in tv.

  251. Blondie (has more fun) January 12th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Marion Jones is doing time for lying, not for PED use.

    Ya know rafael palmeiro should have been prosecuted for perjury.

  252. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    “I think they’ve done enough though…there are bigger problems for my tax dollars to solve”
    i’m with you. wouldn’t it be great if we could send our tax dollars to the programs we approve of.

  253. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    nah…i think he’ll get in, unless it gets to the point he’s doing prison time.

    The true travesty in all this is that Selig and Feher NEED this type of government intervention to make any progress on regulating the drug use.

    They are and have been beyond complicit every step of the way.

  254. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    randy…there called charitable donations…tax write-offs. I feel you though.

  255. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Bx Bomber

    “Never happen though, never”

    You heard it here 1st, watch for Roger to crack.

  256. mel January 12th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Even though they’re guilty, I don’t like the dogged pursuit and prosecution of these athletes. It’s a sport, not life or death. (I know, sacrilegious). There are many, many people who get less attention and/or punishment for crimes against people which is way worse than PEDs.

    If this were Joe Shmoe from Boise, ID and he did the same thing, we wouldn’t hear peep about it and he’d get a slap on the wrist.

    The holier than thous need to wake up and face the fact that the problem is blatant.

    End of rant. Let’s talk football.

  257. Blondie (has more fun) January 12th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    I miss bernie-

    im so fired up for TOMORROW’S game that i need a takling dummy to work off some aggrssion!

    What – no significant other?

  258. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    jones is doing time for lying….about her ped use. And thus the blogified semantic pettiness begins….cya later.

  259. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    joltin joe-
    i’ve said from the beginning that clemens better be telling the truth because i don’t think andy is going to lie under oath to congress after swearing an oath to god that he will tell the truth.

    i hope that clemens is telling the truth because of the respect i have for him as a baseball player.

  260. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    mel,

    what about the kids? these so-called role models have somehow helped hs athletes jump-start their “careers” thru use of peds, ya think?

  261. mel January 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    It’s not a crime to use PEDs, just lie under oath about it…

    What a country we live in.

  262. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Mel…gov is doing this to market to the voting public that sympathizes with the Donald Hooten’s of the world…the parents of the kids who’ve suffered the ills of steroid abuse.

    There’s actually something novel in that sentiment…but its ruined when you consider its all being done for votes, career enhancement, and higher salaries.

    Watch the wire on hbo….it’s all in the game, and we’re all complicit.

  263. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    not really a fair point to complain about congress spending maybe 10′s of thousands of dollars on this hearing and not complain about MILLIONS of $’s (state & federal) being spent to build stadiums for baseball teams, and yes including the yankees and mets!

  264. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    andy took an oath to be faithful to his wife in a religious cermony, didn’t he? Not sure that he carried through on that one…again, who cares. Win me some ball games.

  265. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    peach on brother bomber!

  266. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    preach, lol.

  267. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    i do love the allman brothers.

  268. Polly Tician January 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    The entire Mitchell Report is a bonafide quagmire. Upon recommendation of an appointed Blue Ribbon Commission, the CIA should be brought in with assistance from the FBI to do a two phase investigation. The Blue Ribbon Panel should bring Lewis “Scooter” Libby out of mothballs to head up the investigation.
    The steroids issue is a matter of national security.

  269. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    i miss bernie…i think its a fair point to point out hypocrisy, but if you start pointing out EVERY hypocrisy, you’d be here until October.

    Anyway…didn’t the Yanks build their new, unnecessary, luxury-box filled Stadium with mostly private funds and state bonds?

    whatever…play ball.

  270. mel January 12th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    joltin joe,

    Only stupid kids are going to use PED’s in their youth. If they can’t see that using PED’s is detrimental to their health then that’s their problem. Chances are their high school coaches are part of the problem. Maybe even their parents, too. Stupid people make stupid kids.

    BTW, I’d wager that most kids idolize Jeter and A-rod (the only 2 players I feel are 100% clean) than Bonds, Sheffield, & Ortiz. Yes, there’s a generation gap there, but smart kids know the difference.

    As for those players who need it to make that “jump” to the next level, well that’s a character issue. A personal one, that has nothing to do with the aggressive prosecution of players. Players are still getting busted for PEDs.

  271. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 12th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Randy 1 ….. don’t you think that the “Feds” have responded? The Justice Department is meeting with Oversight Committee Staff for the specific purpose of investigating the discrepancy between Clemems’ and McNamee’s stories. The investigation will be done by the Oversight Committee, so that The Justice Department doesn’t investigate itself. Clemens’ defamation suit has impugned the integrity of the Justice Department investigation (trying to use McNamee’s statements as the basis – a ploy which the feds apparently found transparent).

    So the focus, as well as the date, of the congressional hearing has changed. And the rubber will meet the road at the deposition stage, where scads of documentation will be in the hands of experienced lawyers. For instance (as I stated earlier in this thread), they will ask Clemens for the prescriptions and paper trail for his “alibi’ injections – lidocaine and injectable B12. Absent those , he will have broken the law within the context of his own alibi. Which would lead one to wonder what other drugs he uses w/o the required prescriptions.

    But I digress. I think that the Oversight Committee investigation IS the federal response. What else do you think might be done (at the Justice Department level)?

  272. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    mel.

    what if it was your kid?

  273. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Canseco says Arod’s used…he’s batting 1.000 with his accusations, isn’t he?

  274. mel January 12th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    If my kid did PEDs, I’d kick their ass. And I’m a mom.

  275. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    didn’t arods body type change radically from 05 to 06?

  276. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    bb
    the key word there being ‘mostly’
    the stadium is being built on a 20-some acre city park (donation from NYC)….
    …and federal and state funds are going to road improvements to the new park…
    …and more state and federal funds to build a metro north stop outside the stadium.
    … and who pays the interest on those state bonds…
    … and what else could NYS be doing with that borrowed money.

    also, baseball operates under an anti-trust exemption granted by congress….

    knock congress all you want (I do) but to say they have no interest is inaccurate

  277. mel January 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    And if they were accused, I’d tell them to ‘fess up because the truth always comes out.

  278. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    mel

    it might be too late to kick their ass.
    you hear whats been happening in the WWE?

  279. Blondie (has more fun) January 12th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    andy took an oath to be faithful to his wife in a religious cermony, didn’t he? Not sure that he carried through on that one

    Maybe Andy is a Mormon.

    But either way, there’s nothing wrong with cheating, as long as you don’t get caught, or at the very least, as long as the kids don’t find out.

  280. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    lately vince mcmahon has been hiring the skinniest of wrestlers to change his image

  281. mel January 12th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    joltin joe,

    Was he in his late 20′s? That’s when boys turn into “men”.

  282. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    mel
    who’s that?

  283. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    what can I tell ya bernie…the other option is for the steinbrenners to finance the whole thing themselves. That would lead to $10 hot dogs and $20 beers. Either way the NY state tax-paying Yankee fan is getting worked…at least we’ll have a brand-spanking new stadium to enjoy (not that we need it).

  284. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    i hear screaming in the living room, it’s time for football!

  285. mel January 12th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    joltin’ joe,

    Just so we’re clear, I’m not making any references to cases of kids who die as a result of steroids. My sympathies go out to their families.

  286. pat January 12th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Preach Mel

    I’ll take responsibility for what my kids put in their bodies until they are old enough to take responsibility for themselves.

    Bomber
    The only thing Canseco has accused A-Rod of is not being what he appears to be. He’s never made a direct accusation about steroids. He’s tap danced around it to lead people to believe he has but has never said it.

  287. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    a time is coming when the average joe will not be able to afford a game, especially if he’s footin the bill for a small family. the time might be here already.

  288. mel January 12th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    joltin’-

    didn’t arods body type change radically from 05 to 06?

  289. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    i know you wouldn’t do that mel.

  290. the winds of change January 12th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Bud Selig’s wife has labeled the Commissioner as a flat out philanderer. In return, the Commissioner has said she has no foundation with her accusations and she has it confused. He claims to be a do-gooding philanthropist through the use of Major League Baseball’s coffers in aiding such good causes as the Mitchell Report and its various causes.

  291. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    bb, the price of the hot dogs and beer wouldnt change, the yankees will always charge whatever they think the public will bear. indrustry people do studies that assess how much profit will be made and any given price and decide what is most profitable. they dont look at the yankees balance sheet and decide how much to charge to make the team profitable.

    i agree about the prices being outrageous, and thats why i only indulge myself of going to a game once a year. (i go to 6-8 phillies games)

    the yankees (and mets and phillies for that matter) should have borne all the cost of building the stadium, which would be extremly profitable to them even if every dollar spent was actuallly thier’s, as it should have been.

  292. pat January 12th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    I love that it’s snowing at Lambeau

  293. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    pat..i thought canseco said he was shocked arod was not named in the mitchell report. He clearly believes he’s used…I guess will find out when the next book hits the stands and the drone-media needs something to fill their content.

  294. Bronx Bomber January 12th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    bern my point is that stein’s not financing a stadium on his own b/c the only way he’d do so would be to make every dollar of it back as quickly as possible..which would mean unjustifiable price hikes.

  295. mel January 12th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    5 seconds into the game and someone’s injured?

  296. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    will arod become the next bonds if they come after him? will yank fans embrace him as sf fans did bonds? these are the questions of our times.

  297. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    mel

    you don’t think arods body type changed?

  298. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    watch out for seattle today, they might have the more sound team.

  299. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Well that was quick.

    Seattle with the lead.

  300. BBB January 12th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Nice analysis, Tom. Very well-reasoned and written. I agree wholeheartedly that our vastly improved drafting is one of Cash’s more underrated accomplishments, that he deserves a lot more credit for. I remember reading early in the offseason that the Cardinals wanted to interview Damon Oppenheimer, the guy who’s in charge of the drafts (was put in charge by Cash, I believe) for their GM position…thank goodness the Yanks wouldn’t grant them permission to talk to him. But I hope Oppenheimer is training lots of protegees as we speak, cause eventually some team is likely to snap him up as GM. He is the man!

    And speaking of the Cardinals I’m sure this has been mentioned here but they just agreed to send Rolen to the Blue Jays for Troy Glaus straight up. Dumb deal for the Cards IMO, better for the Jays but let’s hope that next year we see more of the useless 07 version of Rolen than the very dangerous past years version. And while on the subject of Jays I’m so mad Josh Towers is gone! I was really looking forward to a rematch in 08, lol.

    On another note, only a little over a month till pitchers and catchers report! It’s about damn time, this offseason has crept along even more slowly than most.

  301. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    smash-mouth football

  302. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    my body type has changed, am i doing steroids?

    my trainer will NEVER rat me out!

  303. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    funny commercial, “i do not use productivity enhancers” imagine if your boss accused you of that.

  304. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    yeah but you probably just got fat like everyone else bern

  305. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    commercial is brilliant

  306. mel January 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    joltin joe,

    That’s an interesting question. Personally, I don’t like Bonds, but empathized with him because he was being singled out for an industry-wide problem. Disappointed about Andy, but he’s a Yankee. Would be disappointed about Alex, but he’d be a Yankee. I’d probably hold it more against Alex, because he’s not a “favorite”. But, in all fairness, even if one of the hated Red Sox was exposed, I wouldn’t gloat about it.

    Not a good start for the Pack.

  307. BBB January 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    I wouldn’t be even a tiny bit surprised to see Seattle walk away victorious with the upset today. Even though that would be bad for the G-Men if they win tomorrow and have to play the title game there, the false start calls are ringing in my ears already lol. BUT if the ‘Girls sadly win tomorrow, I’d be thrilled for Seattle to be the ones moving on.

  308. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    seahawks-giants could be a war

  309. Fran January 12th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Beonx Bomber – the co-author who was supposed to work with Canseco withdrew from the project last week saying that Canseco had nothing on ARod and no material for a book.

  310. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Dude, Pack, come on, this is disgusting.

  311. mel January 12th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    joltin joe,

    Of course his body changed. But significantly? I don’t know.

  312. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    jj i did actually write that as a joke but consider this, i have put on about 35 lbs b/c i was diagnosed with atrial fibrilation and put on beta blockers (alot of golfers take them to prevent or control the ‘yips’)
    as a result of my lowered metabolism, i have put on about 35 lbs. fortunatly, i was skinny as a rail and everybody’s been telling me i look great! but this points out how a prescription unrelated to ped’s can change your body type.
    as for whether a beta blocker taken by a golfer is a ped, thats for another board.

  313. jandek's ghost January 12th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Canseco is nothing more than an opportunist with a chip on his shoulder. He’s not yakking about A-Rod for any reason other than the fact that A-Rod is big news and he thinks it will help him sell books. The fact is, VERY FEW of the ML players who have used PEDs were mentioned in the Mitchell report. I mean, does anyone with a working brain actually think that no one on the Padres, or the Brewers or the Royals used PEDs?
    Moreover, I’d be surprised if many players–at all–have used PEDs since the ban started to get enforced and players have been subject to testing. In other words, A-Rod wasn’t using any PEDs in 2007 and look at the kind of year he had. He has gotten no better, nor more powerful, at the plate since he began playing in the major leagues. He’s been great since the very beginning. If he used any steroids, they certainly weren’t PEDs, because there is no evidence at all that his stats have ever been “enhanced.” The same cannot be said for guys like Luis Gonzales, or (possibly) Mike Lowell, or Pudge Rodriguez–or, probably, dozens of others. Canseco is just a bitter dude who’s trying to smear MLB in any way he can for the sake of his own sense of vengeance and his pocketbook.

  314. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    This is a massacre in Lambeau!

  315. BBB January 12th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Aaaand so begins the upset. I knew Seattle was too battle tested for these Packers! Hasselbeck is the man.

  316. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    if the pack falls too far behind here, bret farvre will start slingin it everywhere and anything can happen. he does it alot

  317. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    jones went 28 Yard after that catch without any contact, what a hole in the defense!

  318. mel January 12th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    Now that’s beautiful football. Playing in the snow, slingin’ it, and gettin’ touchdowns.

  319. BBB January 12th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Damn, maybe I spoke too soon…

  320. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    brian (redsox fan)-
    actually i’d call delaying the congressional hearings a reaction now that you mention it.

    the red sox fans i know here on the cape that were adamant that clemens did it, are extremely surprised when they actually read part of the defamation suit where it looks like mcnamee is pressured by u.s. attorney parrella and irs special agent nivitsky.

    i don’t think the lidocaine and b12 shots will go far simply because so many prescription drugs were in the clubhouse in the trainers room. greenies have just recently disappeared in mlb clubhouses. they are prescription drugs.

    i don’t think the issue is clemens using prescription drugs when he didn’t have a prescription.

  321. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    There are no consolation games for the Giants after tomorrow’s loss.

    joltin joe
    January 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
    seahawks-giants could be a war

  322. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    LETS GO G-MEN!!! i dont care who we play next week, i hope this game goes to triple overtime!

  323. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Giant fans dream on, I know this is another new and more improved version of the last two Giant teams this season to shellacked by the Cowboys.
    Eli is going running for his life tomorrow.

  324. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Unfortunately for the Giants the NY media cannot determine the outcome of the Cowboy game.

  325. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    can u imagine them having replay in baseball, yanks-orioles would be 5 hours!

  326. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    cowboys havent won a playoff game in how many years?

  327. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    40 degrees in foxboro, PAbe is probably in the parking lot downing a cold one and a brat!

  328. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    That won’t save the Giants either. 8 SB appearances, 5 victories.

    i miss bernie
    January 12th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
    cowboys havent won a playoff game in how many years?

  329. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    giants have raised thier game, cows are going to have to raise thiers to win tormorrow.

  330. mel January 12th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Rebecca,

    You can come off the ledge now.

    i miss bernie,

    Now we know the REAL reason for the guest bloggers. :)

  331. BBB January 12th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    I just hate that Shockey is out…he owns the Cowgirls…but hopefully we can still pull it out GO GIANTS!!!

  332. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    mel, i have noticed that he’s not posting till around noon. the guests are fueling us for the early shift.

  333. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    bbb
    boss has been great in shockey’s place!

  334. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    i LOVE satchmo!

  335. BBB January 12th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Also speaking of replay in baseball…the GM’s voted in favor of it in the GM meetings right? I am in favor of it too, but to an extent – should only be able to be used on fair or foul and close plays at the plate, and once a mgr loses a challenge he can’t challenge anymore. But, does anyone know when it is supposed to take effect? Not in time for the 08 season I don’t think.

  336. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    There is a real TE playing the game tomorrow, one who catch the ball, number 82 Jason Witten. Shockey is always hurt.

    At least you guys can pick a good baseball team, good luck tomorrow with the Ants.

  337. Old Yanks Fan January 12th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    It wont happen in ’08

  338. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    NOOOOOOOOO GOD NO!
    replays will stretch the already rediculously long game out more.

    make the batters stay in the batters box and put a clock on the pitcher first, THEN we can talk about replays.

  339. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    i realize that bernie williams may have been second only to the human rain delay in stretching out the games but its got to stop!

  340. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    BTW i miss bernie,
    One summer night back in 1989 I went to an Albany-Colonie Yankee game at Heritage Park. My buddy who attended games on regular basis pointed out this lanky teenager with horn rimmed glasses, and told me, “watch this kid tonight, he’s going to be special”. It turned out to be none other than Bernabe Figuerora Williams, my buddy Roy was right. And I miss him too.

  341. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    twm
    i lived in colonie up until spring this year. that is where bernie became my man. first time i saw him he went back and got 2 balls that id never seen any minor league outfielder get, and i thougt….this guy’s going to the show…. i was pulling for him from then on. remember the ny yanks had NOTHING going on at that time.
    sadly they took the aa franchise away and sent to to norwich 1st then trenton, and i visited heritage park this summer, the stands have been taken by a local high school and weeds have overtaken the field but i stood there remembering bernie….
    now that im in philly i went to 3 trenton games this season, saw kennedy pitch, and the former yankee and red sox pitcher whom i will not name… hoping these kids work out 1/2 as well as those kids did…

  342. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    That was a very interesting first half.

  343. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    what a 1st 1/2! smash-mouth in the snow, makes you feel great you’re inside and warm.

  344. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    loved that favre flip!

  345. joltin joe January 12th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Brett Farv-ra!

  346. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    that was a helluva half, hope the hawk can keep up in the 2nd and wrestle it into overtime!

  347. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    i miss bernie
    Small world, I grew up in Colonie, spent many evenings at Heritage Park with friends drinking beer eating heritage hots for dinner, sure was a great time.

  348. John Downing January 12th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    I read an article in the daily news and heard it was on WFAN that Joba is going to start the season in the bullpen. THEY got their facts WRONG. Hank and others at the Yankees have said over and over that Joba is starting the season as a starter. It seems probable that he’ll change to the bullpen at some time in the season BUT at the start he’ll be a starter. So HOW can it be that the daily news and WFAN both got it wrong? (I’m sure they got it wrong because I read it and heard it many times quoted by the guys that decide)

  349. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    small world indeed! very cool. my family is from long island but my sister met a guy from delmar, then another sister moved up to clifton park, then another sister with her family to albany, then my parents, then me. I still get up there about every other month.

  350. pat January 12th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Favre and Packers are in the zone tonight.

  351. Clad Ken. January 12th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    34-17 packs do the hawks have a chance. Like I thought. End of game 45-27

  352. Bronx Liaison January 12th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Brett Favre may not be the same quarterback he was a decade ago, but he is still the same kind of player, if that makes any sense.

    He’ll throw the worst INT in history once every few years but he is always just fun to watch. No one else makes that flip – which he needs to trademark – in a snowy playoff game like today.

    My dad’s born and raised in Milwaukee so it makes The Pack’s performance that sweet. They may not be MY team, but they’ve always been my other team.

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  354. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 12th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Randy 1 …. if you’re talking to Sox fans on the Cape, you know that Sox fans who saw Clemens go from rangy to pudgy to burly are totally convinced that he used PEDs (early and often). And Sox fans are surprised that Yankee fans so zealously embrace Clemens in his hour of need.

    Anecdotal “evidence” from around the country is that the vast majority of sports columnists think that Clemens’ reponse is an insult to common sense …. and that also surprises me. You really can’t find an “objective” commentary that doesn’t find Clemens’ version of events to be, at best, suspicious. And I’ve read a LOT of commentary.

    I think the congressional investigation will flesh things out. The alleged coercion of McNamee will certainly be examined. After the 17 minute tape, I’m certain that the “bullying” presented by Clemens’ lawyers will be scrutinized within context. Right now, all sides have an agenda. But I suspect that Clemens house of cards will fall the first, and the fastest.

    But, as I told you, Sox fans didn’t need McNamee to come to a conclusion on Clemens. We believe “our lying eyes,” and have for years.

    P.S. It was nice of Clemens and his lawyers to play on national TV the fact that a 10 year old boy is dying. With any luck, the kid was listening. Maybe it was news to him.

    But Roger wants “just one inch of respect.” Right ….

  355. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    Brian, and how do these astute Sox fans who saw Clemens go from rangy to pudgy to burly that are totally convinced that he used PEDs (early and often)feel about Big Papi?

  356. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Or are those observations only duly noted after they leave the Sox organization?

  357. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Wow, that field…

    No wonder they call it the Tundra!

  358. pat January 12th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Brian

    PS- Nobody is dying. McNamees lawyers said all the stress was killing him figuratively, not literally. Remember the McNamee was an undercover cop for 3 years. He knew exactly what he was doing when he made the phone call to Clemens.

    I don’t know if or what Clemens did or didn’t do, the whole thing is just so out of hand. This was a corporate investigation, that turned into a civil lawsuit, that Congress has decided to get themeselves a little publicity from. 2 words, Election Year.

  359. susan mullen January 12th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Sports columnists are neither judges nor juries. Nor is George Mitchell, the former tobacco lobbyist. Nor are fans. Aside from anything about Clemens, this country does not decide guilt or innocence from a xeroxed copy of a federal investigation handed to a career power broker and director of another team–no matter that the power brokers have orchestrated it to be so. What a sports writer thinks is of no consequence except to MLB. If you heard Dibs and Kevin Kennedy yesterday you’d be up to date on that.

  360. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Rebecca
    The 1967 NFL Championship game, played on December 31 at Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin, remains the coldest NFL game on record. The official game-time temperature was -13°F / -25°C, with a wind chill around -48°F / -44°C. The Packers beat my Cowboys. That really was the Frozen Tundra of Lambeau field.

  361. Bronx Liaison January 12th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Have the Packers punted the ball yet? I don’t think they have.

  362. Chuck January 12th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Funny… Sox fans “knowing” anything about Clemens use of PES. Sox fans are just eternally pissed that they threw Clemens out with the garbage when he had many, many good seasons left… I am sorry… make that many, many, many good seasons left. Sox fans are just all giddy now because the allegations by the emotionally sensitive and legal challenged McNamee, gives them an excuse — more than a decade later — for their inexcusable disloyalty to one of the best pitchers of all time.

  363. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Chuck
    This is a second Christmas for some Sox fans. Sox win the series, Pats undefeated, Celtics are running away from the league but nothing tops the disgracing of Clemens and all the records he achieved after he left Boston.
    Sad but true.

  364. danny ballgame January 12th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    red sox fan
    i think you’re misreading the yankees fan’s opinion about roger.
    in PAbe’s poll, a big majority said they thought he used. and those are mostly hard core yankee fans.

    on this blog you’ll see alot of people casting aspersions about mcnamee, mitchell, etc., but when push comes to shove, the majority of them will not flat out say thier opinion is that roger used. when some people have pushed to try to get them to come right out and say they think roger didnt use, they wont.

    alot of what you read is defensiveness caused by the Mitchell Commission’s focus on the Yankees.

  365. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 12th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    That was me …. Sox fans aren’t dumb, or blind. If Ortiz is identified as a PED user, no one would be “shocked, shocked.” I’ve stated on this blog before that I have my doubts about Nomar, Nixon, Varitek, Kapler (and I might be missing a few).

    In the “No” category – Manny (like ARod, he was a teenage hitting prodigy); Schilling (has progressively lost stuff, and is pudgy, not burly).
    Notice that I don’t think ARod has used. He has filled out some, but nothing like Clemens. I’m not on a Yankee witch hunt. The only Yankee I’ve excoriated on this blg re: PEDs is Clemens, and that is only because we hear in NE have seen him from the beginning.

  366. Upstate January 12th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    “…Brian, and how do these astute Sox fans who saw Clemens go from rangy to pudgy to burly that are totally convinced that he used PEDs (early and often)feel about Big Papi?…”

    Does anyone have baseball cards of Big Pappy from his Twins days ???

    Who was that guy ???

  367. mel January 12th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Bronx,

    Green Bay just punted for the 1st time in the game. Good catch.

  368. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 12th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    *here* , not “hear”

  369. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 12th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Upstate …. check my 7:09 post … I have doubts about Ortiz. The difference is striking.

  370. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Brian, personally none of us care what Sox fans think, that’s why we post here and not on BDC.

  371. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    brian(redsoxfan)
    you have another texan in beckett with about the same values and mindset as clemens. do you think he’s a bad guy too?

  372. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Brian, And thank you for the Red Sox perspective, we too are all shocked with your unique candor.
    But maybe there is one thing better for Sox fans than winning the WS, the Pats going undefeated, the Celtics running away from the rest league.
    Being able to go onto a Yankee blog and tear down Clemens.

  373. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    i have no problem with brian. he has always posted decently, certainly not trollish…
    my moratorium prevents me from commenting on ‘that guy’, so ill leave that alone.

    i remember on ken burn’s civil war they showed film of civil war vets at a 50th anniversary of gettysburgh. the rebs and bluecoats all hugged because in thier old age, they realized they had more in common with each other than with any of the youngsters they were surrounded by.
    this reminds me of the yankeee-sox rivalry. the sox fans are GREAT fans, as knowlegable and ‘into’ it as any yankees crowd. they love AL ball, the love a guy who hits behind a runner, they eternally hope thier rookies will be better than ours. and a small but unbelievable annoying minority of them are complete idiots. just like yankee fans.

    that being said, I HATE THE RED SOX!
    and the PATRIOTS!

  374. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 12th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Randy 1 … If 15 years from now, I find out that Beckett used PEDs, accepting ill-gotten fame, adulation and millions as a result, I will think LESS of him than Clemens (because he has the advantage of learning from current events).

    Remember, I was a HUGE Clemens fan when he was rangy, clean and dominating. He was a bit of a Texas diva, but we do root for the laundry, after all. It is the bogus Clemens that I abhor (whichever uniform).

  375. Bronx Liaison January 12th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    haha

    well said I Miss Bern.

  376. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    i miss bernie
    Sounds like you’re not ready to hug anyone yet.

  377. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 12th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    I miss Bernie …. Thanks for the support.

    Re: The Civil War veterans’ analogy …. it’s a good one. If you ever get a chance to go to Gettysburg (I’ve been several times), it’s well worth it. Definitely brings the Ken Burns point home.

  378. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    yeah, get in touch with me on the 50th anniversary of the buckner bobble.

  379. LATE REPORT January 12th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    The final touches have been completed with Director George Mitchell’s suite and office at Fenway Park in Boston. Among treats he will enjoy while watching “his” Red Sox play are:

    - Filet mignon tips with mushroom caps

    - Steak fries made from Maine grown potatoes

    - Bahhstin chowdah

    - Haagen-Daz ice cream

    - Adult beverage of choice

  380. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    brian, i felt the same way when i visited bunker hill the last time.

    and the day i saw the ‘we love NY banner at the fens after 9/11

  381. i miss bernie January 12th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    good, now that game’s over and i can really star HATIN on the Pats!

  382. ThatWasMe January 12th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    GO JAGS

  383. Fran January 12th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Impressive effort by Green Bay. I think that the Cowboys or Giants will have a tough time with them. Now go Jaguars!

  384. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    brian-
    was it the” bogus clemens” in houston ? how’d he pull that off with steroid testing in place if your theory is correct that clemens can’t do it without steroids?

  385. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Let’s Go Jaguars! They’re my upset pick of the week!

  386. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Can someone explain to me how this auction is allowed to stay up?
    http://www.stubhub.com/new-yor.....=113265096

  387. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 12th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Randy 1 ….. It’s unlikely that Clemens used PEDs only in concert with McNamee. The same “symptoms” were indeed present when McNamee wasn’t in the picture. Clemens might well be engaged in addictive behavior, not unlike an alcoholic who has multiple sources in order to hide the total usage.
    I found it interesting that Clemens went back to Houston to rehab his sore hammy last September. I wonder what’s in Houston?
    Also, when did you EVER hear about Clemens having a sore back, one sore enough to warrant “shooting it up?” In the NFL, such a procedure is done only by a doctor, and doctors will not proactively recommemd such treatment (because it will cause greater injury). The player must “request” it, though I’m sure that many feel pressured.
    Summation …. don’t be so naive as to think that the Mitchell Report contains the totality of Clemens’ use. It probably started in his last (“contract”) year in Boston.

  388. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    brian(redsox fan)
    so your position is that the steroid testing in place doesn’t work on clemens or anyone else?

  389. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 12th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Randy 1 ….. See Marion Jones ….. she used for years w/o detection. The “serial users” know how to beat the system. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Marion Jones never tested positive, even under the scrutiny of the USOC. The paper trail gut her. Do you really think that the laughable, announce-it-in-advance random testing of MLB is catching the veteran users?

  390. John Clayton January 12th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    So lets get the picks started Pats or Jags and whats the final score my pick Jags 27 Pats 24. Whats your pick. Lets see who gets the closest.

  391. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Jags 24
    Pats 17

  392. Jimmy January 12th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Let’s Go Cowboys!!!

  393. Geo Diego January 12th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Jags 31 Pats 21

  394. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Jags, 35-31

  395. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    I’m thinking with my heart not my head, and maybe some alcohol.

    :lol:

  396. Wotii Chang January 12th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Jags 28 Pats 19

  397. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Anyone catch the Packs game today? What a great game!!

  398. Mike S. January 12th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    ThatWasMe
    January 12th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    Rebecca
    The 1967 NFL Championship game, played on December 31 at Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin, remains the coldest NFL game on record. The official game-time temperature was -13°F / -25°C, with a wind chill around -48°F / -44°C. The Packers beat my Cowboys. That really was the Frozen Tundra of Lambeau field.

    ———————————————————–
    That was the 1st game I remember watching. The Ice Bowl. TEMPERATURE wise, the coldest NFL game on record, but WIND CHILL wise, maybe not.

    January 10, 1982

    AFC Championship game
    Cincinnati Bengals 27, San Diego Chargers 7

    Known as the Freezer Bowl, the Bengals defeated the Chargers, 27-7. The game-time temperature was -9 °F (-23 °C) (warmer than the Ice Bowl), but a 35-mile-per-hour wind sent wind chills below -50 °F. I remember they said certain gusts made it seem like -59 °F.

    One thing that I think should be pointed out. Just eight days prior, the Chargers won the “Kellen Winslow” game in Miami, in a game played in such humidity that many players lost considerable weight. I think Winslow lost some 15 pounds. From that game to the Cincy game, there must have been a 130 degree difference in real-feel temperature.

  399. Jack Ransovy January 12th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Jags 31 Pats 27

  400. randy l. January 12th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    brian(redsoxfan)-
    so your theory is clemens, in his houston years, used undetectable steroids that are ahead of the testing.

    if this were true, then you also should suspect anyone who is doing well. all players would be suspect.

    oh, i forgot, you suspect only the ones you can’t stand.

  401. Anna C. January 12th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Pats 35 Jags 21

  402. Mike S. January 12th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    If you get a chance, read or check out the 1948 NFL title game, Eagles 7, Chicago Cardinals (Before St. Louis, and then Arizona) 0. The game was played at Shibe Park in Philadelphia in the middle of a blizzard.

  403. vrsce January 12th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    brian(redsoxfan)

    In spiye of the credible people who are coming forward to contradict McNamee’s story, you continue to bleat the same sad note.
    Pathetic

  404. Mike S. January 12th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Also (if you don’t know the story) check the 1934 NFL title game “the Sneakers Game” played at the Polo Grounds in New York on an icy field.

    The defending champ (and undefeated) Bears led 13-3 going into the last quarter. The Giants switched to sneakers, got better traction on the ice, and scored 27 fourth-quarter points to win the game 30-13.

  405. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    NICE PLAY!!

  406. Fran January 12th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Jags 24-21

  407. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Great catch!

  408. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    NICE!

  409. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Woo hoo 7-0 Jags

  410. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Someone tell Bellipuke to stuff his challege flag

  411. Fran January 12th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Great start!

  412. Geo Diego January 12th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    7-0 Jags already hope it only gets better for the Jags

  413. Mike S. January 12th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    I’d love to see the Jags knock off the Pats.

  414. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Okay, Jags, you’ve actually gotta like, you know, DEFEND the lead?

  415. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    I know right, why are they just letting them march down the field?

  416. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Just a note to everyone who lives in Bergen Co, Borders in Paramus is going out of business EVERYTHING in the store is at least 40 off.

  417. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    He was so far out of bounce when he tried to get that td.

  418. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Jennifer: WHA?!?! You tell me this now?!

    But I’m driving to Syracuse tomorrow! I don’t have time!

  419. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Sorry :cry: Last day is next Saturday, I’m going to go back than, hopefully it is discounted more than. It is the one by Circuit City, Linens and Things.

  420. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    They are open for another hour at least.

  421. Doreen January 12th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Jennifer –

    Also the Borders at the Mid-State Mall in East Brunswick on Route 18.

  422. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Mmm, I’d consider it, but I just went shopping yesterday. No way I could justify it.

  423. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Actually they are open till 11pm.

  424. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Rebecca it is books, so of course you can justify it.

    Doreen do you know of any others, I heard a few are closing.

  425. Blargh January 12th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Wait, the one on route 18 is closing too?

  426. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    I just looked on the net, they are closing a lot of stores. I wonder why? Can’t compete with Barnes and Noble?

  427. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Barnes and Noble is a bit better, but the best is Amazon. It’s the cheapest, you can find whatever you’d like, and you don’t even have to get in your car.

  428. Illn January 12th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    A fumble hope it doesn’t cost them the game

  429. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    I like to be able to look at the books and covers. I usually look for a cover that catches my eye.

    UGH! Come on Jags!!

  430. Upstate January 12th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    “….Jennifer – Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    I just looked on the net, they are closing a lot of stores. I wonder why? Can’t compete with Barnes and Noble?….”

    What website ???

    Didnt see anything on : http://www.bordersstores.com

  431. Bronx Liaison January 12th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Rebecca you’re right about Amazon, except why do I always end up feeling dirty whenever I click the proceed to checkout button.

    I fear in ten years Amazon.com will have enslaved the global population.

  432. Illn January 12th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    If the Jags want to win they better UP their Game and Pray the Pats make some mistakes

  433. Fran January 12th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Jaguars need to regroup quickly.

  434. Doreen January 12th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    They just opened a brand new one at the Freehold Mall, a 2-story, beauty of a store. But I was told the one in East Brunswick was due to the landlord raising the rent – actually, tripling the rent. I don’t know if that’s true, but that’s what I was told.

  435. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Bronx Liason:

    The only thing I ask my parents for my birthday is for an Amazon gift certificate. I make those things last real well…

  436. Blargh January 12th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Damn, I liked the one in East Brunswick; there goes another part of my childhood

  437. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Upstate

    I just typed in Borders stores closing, and I got various websites, they are closing a bunch in Chicago as well.

  438. Illn January 12th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    If the Jags defense wakes up they might win 14-14 now

  439. Fran January 12th, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Jacksonville tied it at 14. Go Jags.

  440. Jaewon January 12th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    You guys think Pete’s a little nervous yet? Wow, Brady and Maroney work really well together.

  441. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    I have a question on the play that just happened. If someone went and creamed Brady, they wouldn’t be called for roughing the passer would they? Or did he just become part of the play? If so someone should have just laid him out, take him out at the knees.

  442. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Devils just tied their game with less than a minute to go :-D

    Still 20 seconds to go, but yay!

  443. mel January 12th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    What a block by Brady. Now, that’s hot.

  444. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    hahaha he missed it!! :lol:

  445. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    That was a thing of beauty!!

  446. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Devils going to a shoot out! Exciting stuff!

  447. Jaewon January 12th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    The only thing more exciting than a Devils shootout is the Jags beating the Patriots. Actually I’m not even a Devils fan, but that’s beside the point

  448. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Devils win! I can go to sleep happy tonight!

  449. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Just found this on Jorge’s website

    Celebrity Basebowl Tournament

    Sunday January 13, 2008
    From 12:00pm to 4:00pm
    Galaxy Lanes, Plaza Las Americas
    San Juan, Puerto Rico

    The following celebrities have confirmed their assistance to the event:
    Miguel Cairo
    Doug Mientkiwicz
    Tino Martinez
    Joba Chamberlain
    Wisin & Yandel
    Chelo
    Michael Stuart
    Barbara Bermudo
    Chi Chi Rodriguez
    Quddus Phillipe
    Luis Vigoreaux
    Giselle

  450. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Does anyone understand spanish?

    If so can you please tell me what is said in this interview

    http://jorgeposada.com/html/vivavoz.html

  451. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    These Southwest commercials are brilliant!

  452. Yanksrule57 January 12th, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Jennifer,

    lo siendo, no comprende.

  453. Yanksrule57 January 12th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Rebecca,

    How bout those Packers! That game in HD with the snow coming down was amazing. I have friends just outside of Green Bay and they are going nuts.

  454. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Jennifer: i’m not that good, but this is what I got:

    Hello and welcome everyone to ‘Viva Vos’

    Today, we’re talking to Jorge Posada, catcher for the NYY.

    This is where it gets hard for me cos they start speaking too fast:

    Jorge, thank you for your time today (this is a guess)

    No problem

    Jorge, tell us about the ‘fundacion’ (foundation?) of Jorge Posada

    Jorge began in 2000. (A bunch of stuff) He is my son. he was born _____ (Then Jorge gets into talking about his son and his son’s head problem) We knew he had this condition only a few days after his birth.

    Most of it is Jorge talking about his son and the foundation he has.

    I can’t do any more, I’m sorry, or my head will really start spinning!

  455. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Yanksrule: Oh, it was amazing.

  456. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    :( It sounded like it was interesting. I guess I should have paid attention in Spanish class. I should email Jorges site and ask them to have a translation running across the bottom.

  457. Yanksrule57 January 12th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Jennifer,
    I know enough spanish to get by. If I watch Telemundo I can get about one in five words. They speak so fast it’s tough…
    I had 4 years of German in school. But I only got to use it one time in a real world situation. I was in Greece with a group of shipmates and we were trying to get a cabbie to understand us. We found out the cabbie spoke german so I was able to tell him where we wanted to go. In hindsight spanish would have been a more practical choice.

  458. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    It’s a really really long story, but I ended up spending a night in Florence with a bunch of Spanish kids (yes, Spanish as in from Spain) and I spoke Spanish better than any of them could dpeak English so I spoke Spanish the entire night.

    The highlight of the evening was trying to explain to them that there was no toilet paper in the hostel bathroom…I didn’t know how to say toilet in spanish…or any bathroom word other than baño or ducha!

  459. myrtlebeachfan January 12th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    GO PATRIOTS!

    This game is over if we put up any more points.

    Oh, And go Yankees.

    Cano will have a monster season and hit 30 home runs for the first time.

  460. Yanksrule57 January 12th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Rebecca,

    In Spain the word is pronounced Ban-YA Not sure of the spelling.
    Trust me, for a Sailor on liberty that is a crucial word to know.

  461. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Rebecca what time are you leaving tomorrow. We are supposed to get a lot of snow tomorrow night. So make sure you leave ahead of the storm.

  462. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Yanksrule: Thanks for the info!

    Jennifer: No later than two. My friend wants to get there by five.

  463. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Are you in Jersey? Syracuse is only a 3 hour drive?

  464. whoa January 12th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    vrsce January 12th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    MORE EVIDENCE THAT MCNAMEE LIED TO FEDS

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3193081

    He told the Feds that Clemens had an abcess on his butt (evidence of steroid injection). Yet numerous BluJay officials say he did not have an abcess.

    You need to read more carefully. The Blue Jay officials said they “do not recall.”

    Those are known as weasel words.

  465. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Well do you recall something for 10 years ago? Please, lets not nit pick at words. If an abcess is something considered serious, it should be in Rogers medical records, if he did have it.

  466. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Jennifer: It’s a four hour drive.

    We’re probably going to leave around noon

  467. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Yeah if I were you I’d leave as early as possible. These weather people are stupid, it is likely to start at 4. And you def want to stay ahead of the storm.

  468. whoa January 12th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Jennifer – Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Well do you recall something for 10 years ago? Please, lets not nit pick at words. If an abcess is something considered serious, it should be in Rogers medical records, if he did have it.

    I’m an attorney. Specific words have specific meanings.

    I didn’t mischaracterize those words, the poster I quoted did.

  469. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Just read on a Jets message board that Scott Rolan was traded to the Jays, for Glaus. I have no idea if it is true as no link was provided.

  470. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Jennifer: Ugh, that’s not going to be fun…

  471. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    It’s on ESPN.

    Rolen for Glaus.

  472. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Ahhh a lawyer so you do nit pick. :lol:

  473. whoa January 12th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Jennifer – Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Ahhh a lawyer so you do nit pick. :lol:

    It’s what I live for. ;)

  474. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Tis’ True

    Cards, Blue Jays set to swap third basemen
    by Ken Rosenthal
    Ken Rosenthal has been the senior baseball writer for FOXSports.com since Aug. 2005. He appears weekly on the FSN Baseball Report and MLB on FOX.
    Updated: January 12, 2008, 12:01 PM EST 1 comment RSS digg blog email print Scott Rolen is on the verge of escaping St. Louis manager Tony La Russa. Troy Glaus is on the verge of escaping the artificial turf in Toronto.

    The Cardinals and Blue Jays are closing in on an exchange of their third basemen, major-league sources say, but both former All-Stars must pass physicals before a deal is completed.

    Headed north

    Scott Rolen
    Blue Jays
    Third Baseman

    ——————————————————————————–
    AVG HR RBI R SLG
    .265 8 58 55 .398

    Those physicals are no small issue since Rolen is coming off surgery on his right shoulder and Glaus surgery on his left foot.

    While both players have agreed to waive their no-trade clauses, the differences in their contracts also might need to be resolved, most likely through a cash payment from the Cardinals to the Blue Jays.

    Rolen, 32, is owed $33 million over the next three seasons. Glaus, 31, is guaranteed $24 million over the next two, including an $11.25 million player option for 2009.

    Newest Card

    Troy Glaus
    Cardinals
    Third Baseman

    ——————————————————————————–
    AVG HR RBI R SLG
    .262 20 62 60 .473

    The commissioner’s office must approve the trade if it involves a cash exchange of more than $1 million.

    If the trade is completed, it would provide fresh starts for two players who — for different reasons — grew uncomfortable with their current clubs.

    Rolen has feuded with La Russa since at least the 2006 season, when questions about Rolen’s shoulder caused La Russa to bench him during the National League Championship Series.

    The rift became untenable after La Russa wrote Rolen a four-page letter at the end of the season and then escalated the feud with comments he made at the Winter Meetings. La Russa said Rolen was the only Cardinal who did not want him to return as manager and that the team would not easily accommodate Rolen’s request to be traded.

    Glaus, meanwhile, is happy in Toronto but the change would benefit him physically. His recurring foot problems leave him better suited to play on a natural-grass surface such as the one at St. Louis’ Busch Stadium.

    Glaus appeared in only 115 games last season, batting .262 with 20 homers and 62 RBIs. Rolen appeared in only 112 games, batting .265 with eight homers and 58 RBIs.

    The Cardinals acquired Rolen from the Phillies at the 2002 non-waiver deadline. The Jays obtained Glaus from the Diamondbacks after the 2005 season.

  475. The Black Night January 12th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Umm, don’t you girls have cell phones for all this?

  476. whoa January 12th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    OT: Salman Rushdie’s wife is incredibly hot (surf to the Food Network to escape another Pats’ win.

  477. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    What do cell phones have to do with anything

  478. Dr. Acula January 12th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Jen-

    Jorge speaks very good Spanish.

    I only watched the first ten minutes: he explains how his son’s condition prompted him to begin a medical foundation, then he recounts how the theft of his boyhood bicycle turned his attentions to baseball.

  479. Todd January 12th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    She’s getting divorced from Rushdie… Too hot for him…

  480. whoaw January 12th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    The Rolen for Glaus trade is yet another indication that past steroid use is no bar to that player’s continued employment.

  481. Fran January 12th, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Oh well – Jacksonville gave it a good try.

  482. Dr. Acula January 12th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    whoa-

    they’re gettin’ divorced :(

    Padma Lakshmi is smokin’ hot

    http://tinyurl.com/brq8q

    I know, I know, it looks like a kidnapping! ;)

  483. Todd January 12th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Jags were close, but close only counts in horseshoes & handgrenades………

  484. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    Dr. Acula

    Are you a sight for sore eyes!! How are you?

    I guess we should be happy someone stole his bicyle. Any thing else that was interesting.

  485. whoa January 12th, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    # Dr. Acula January 12th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    whoa-

    they’re gettin’ divorced :(

    Padma Lakshmi is smokin’ hot

    http://tinyurl.com/brq8q

    I know, I know, it looks like a kidnapping! ;)

    Still an incredible achievement.

  486. The Black Night January 12th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Just that this blog has become a gossip column. Don’t take me wrong. I don’t mind at all.

  487. Todd January 12th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Rest assured we’ll get down to the real business on the blog once the first pitch is thrown :) Can’t wait for Opening Day………

  488. Alice Bacon January 12th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    When is Pete putting up a new Blog post its been awhile.

  489. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    whoaw: It’s definitley the most obvious indicator.

    Dr A: Great to see you coming ’round again!

  490. Dr. Acula January 12th, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Jen-

    Hey Grrl!

    I was freezing my nutz off in Iowa. You think it was cold two weeks ago in NYC, HA! I got frost bite drinking coffee.

    It seems like a nice interview, but I’m just not in the mode for a Bob Costas type segment. But I was really impressed with his language skills. I mean, we have a Harvard & Yale educated president who mangles he English language every day.

  491. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    Black Night: Hah! Well, something’s gotta fill the long winter nights!

    Alice: Pete went to the Pats game, so probably when he gets back. He does do other things besides this blog though it doesn’t really seem like that!

  492. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Dr. A: Iowa?

    Team Barack, Team Hillary, or Team Huckabee? :-P (or none of the above?)

  493. Dr. Acula January 12th, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    Gracias, Rebecca!

    Are you doing a webcast this week? I need to call-in, one day.

    Hows da frozen tundra of Syracuse?

  494. Dr. Acula January 12th, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Rebecca, darlin’, what a question!

    I’m a Yankee, and therefore a winner – Team Barack, of course.

  495. mel January 12th, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Why is no one talking about the Patriots’ win? lol.

  496. Todd January 12th, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    At least the Celtics lost tonight :)

  497. whoa January 12th, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    # Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    whoaw: It’s definitley the most obvious indicator.

    It’s whoa. The “w” on the end was a typo. :)

  498. Dr. Acula January 12th, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Here’s a nice pic of Laura Posada in a cute dress

    http://tinyurl.com/33o96m

    from the 2007 All-Star game.

  499. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Mel-
    Who???

    The Black Night -
    Less than 33 days till ST. We’ll be talking baseball than. Right now there is nothing going on, which is okay considering what happened last Sunday.

  500. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Anyone planing to go to the All Star Game this year? I’d love to go, but it will probably be impossible to get tickets, plus it will be a pain in the butt to get parking, get into my bar :(.

  501. Dr. Acula January 12th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Mel,

    here’s some instant Eye Candy from tonite’s Pats game.

    http://tinyurl.com/3dwzje

  502. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Dr. A: Every week! That’s so awesome that you listen in! How am I? Do I make a complete and utter fool of myself?

    I’m Team Barack till Team Bloomberg enters the competition :-D

    I haven’t been to Syracuse in a month, but I’m going there tomorrow…

  503. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    He could use a shave and a hair cut.

  504. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Jennifer: My dad knows the guys that do some insurance for MLB, so they’ll get tickets (and good ones, too), but as for me…I’ll likely be watching on TV.

  505. Dr. Acula January 12th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    oooooh, July is gonna be sweet. We only have 6 road games, three in toronto and three in boston.

    Mi familia has tickets, but I don’t know how we’re gonna split them up (not only the game itself, but the Home run derby, etc.).

  506. Buddy Biancalana January 12th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    mel-

    You catch any of the Mavericks competition today?

  507. Dr. Acula January 12th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    Wow. That’s some break, Rebecca.

    Bloomie? But ya a Jersey Grrl. Honey, we gotta talk!

  508. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    I planing to go to Toronto, I can’t wait!!

  509. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 12th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Dr. A: Aye, but I’m a Jew first and forever :-P

    Most of my friends don’t go back to school until next week…but we get out a lot earlier in May than most schools not in the South.

  510. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Dr. If you have an extra ticket please please please let me know. Although I think I’ll be in Canada when the hr derby happens.

  511. Buddy Biancalana January 12th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Check out Chad Jennings blog for a great interview with Deric McKamey on the Yankees top Minor leaguers:

    http://emedia.thetimes-tribune.....x#Comments

  512. Dr. Acula January 12th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Jen-

    I don’t know, the scruffy look is very popular.

    http://tinyurl.com/2b7735

    Muy guapo

  513. susan mullen January 12th, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Re a charity bowling tournament being put on by Posada? Joba is listed as a participant? God Almighty, bowling, if this is what it is, has got to be prohibited for our pitchers. The emphasis on the shoulders and hands is huge, and if guys aren’t supposed to play basketball (eg Aaron bleeping Boone) they shouldn’t be able to bowl. No bowling for Joba please.

  514. mel January 12th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    Dr.,

    Nice. See the block? More importantly, will he be at Jorge’s thingamajiggy to protect Giselle from Jeter?

    Buddy,

    NBA? Rooting for a loss. If Dallas and Phoenix had both lost, then the Lakers would’ve been #1 in the WC. In the words of Brian Fellows, “That’s Crazy”

    Todd,

    Yes, it was a good day. I’m tired of hearing about the Celtics’ Big 3. I want to hear about our Big 3.

  515. Buddy Biancalana January 12th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    mel-

    I meant this Mavericks:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....UUEE3B.DTL

  516. Buddy Biancalana January 12th, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    Another excellent steal by Beane:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3193556

  517. mel January 12th, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    Buddy,

    No, didn’t catch that one, but the Eddie Aikau might be a go soon.

  518. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 12th, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    Gosh they are stripping down that team!

  519. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 13th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Dude, guys, on ESPN2: Jim Dolan leaning towards firing Isaiah

  520. Buddy Biancalana January 13th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    mel-

    Is it televised or can you view it from where you live?

  521. mel January 13th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    Buddy,

    I could catch it on the satellite. lol.

  522. JoeT YANKEES January 13th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    he should fire himself for keeping Isaiah this long and only now “leaning” towards doing it

  523. Buddy Biancalana January 13th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Coconut satellite? Lol

  524. big bank yank January 13th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    maybe the celtics will hire isiah!!!

  525. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 13th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    JoeT: Hah!

    See, I’m afraid, though, that the Nets would then hire him…

  526. Buddy Biancalana January 13th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Rebecca-

    Are you going to drive up to Syracuse during the Giants game so you have something to listen to?

  527. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 13th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Buddy: Nope, but it wouldn’t matter because we’d lose the station halfway through anyway. I have a lot of CDs though.

  528. Geo Diego January 13th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Tomorrow (Today) I’m going (hoping) for a Manning plus Manning WIN situation. Hope it works out. Good Night

  529. Buddy Biancalana January 13th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    I wonder which game Archie Manning will attend in person.

  530. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 13th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    Okay everyone I’m out.

    See you tomorrow evening.

    That is, if they haven’t shut my internet off or anything like that. :-D

  531. Buddy Biancalana January 13th, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Have a safe trip back.

  532. Fran January 13th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Pete just put up two new posts.

  533. ray January 13th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Larry
    “January 11th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
    Pats are going down this weekend!”

    Way to go on the brilliant prediction Larry! You should have listened to Pete. He predicted Patriots 31, Jags 21…..very impressive.

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