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Williams, O’Neill team up for charity

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 14, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Bernie Williams will host the Sixth Annual Hillside Food Outreach Neighbors Helping Neighbors Benefit Dinner and Auction on January 26, at Greentree Country Club in New Rochelle, N.Y. Williams will be joined by former teammate Paul O’Neill.

The fundraiser annually helps to provide food for those in need in Westchester County and is jointly presented by Steiner Sports and Last Licks. Hillside Food Outreach is the only not-for-profit organization in Westchester County that delivers groceries to more than 1,600 needy neighbors on a monthly basis.

For tickets or more information please call (914) 747-0095 or visit hillsidefoodoutreach.org.

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The annual New York BBWAA dinner will be Jan. 27 at the New York Hilton in Manhattan.

It’s a great event. The winners of the annual BBWAA awards (MVP, Cy Young, etc.) attend along with other big names from the world of baseball. Those scheduled to attend this year include Alex Rodriguez, Jimmy Rollins, C.C. Sabathia, Jake Peavy, Dustin Pedroia, Ryan Braun, Eric Wedge, Bob Melvin, Jonathan Papelbon, Johnny Damon, Billy Wagner, Joba Chamberlain, Bobby Murcer, Denny McLain and Craig Biggio.

New Hall of Famer Goose Goosage will be in the house along with the managers and GMs of the Yankees and Mets.

Tickets are $225. If you’re interested, drop me an e-mail and I will send you the information.

 
 

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236 Responses to “Williams, O’Neill team up for charity”

  1. Bronx Liaison January 14th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    O’Neil and Williams couldn’t be more different personalities on the field, but they are both equally classy individuals off of it. Just another bit of proof here.

    Has anyone else seen this story about 50 Cent, Mary J. Blige and others being linked to performance enhancing drugs?

    Link is at the bottom:

    http://bronx-bomberz.blogspot......eason.html

    The Times Union of Albany newspaper cites unidentified sources in a Sunday report that R&B music star Mary J. Blige, rap musicians 50 Cent, Timbaland and Wyclef Jean, and award-winning author and producer Tyler Perry may have received or used performance enhancing drugs.

  2. Geo Diego January 14th, 2008 at 2:34 am

    Thanks for the invitation Pete but It’s a nice amount of money to spend. I’d rather spend it on a few games. But Thanks. Great thing for Williams and O’neal. What’s new about the winter league players (from the yankees organization)? Can’t wait for spring training.

  3. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 8:08 am

    Bronx Liaison -

    You know, it has actually crossed my mind that perhaps some celebrities are also using steroids to enhance their physiques. So, I’m not surprised by that article. Only surprised that more names weren’t in it!

  4. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    NyPost that wacky “paper” http://www.nypost.com/seven/01.....hoto01.htm

  5. Marc January 14th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Was I the only one who was dying laughing when Jacobs threw the ball into the play clock after his TD?

  6. i miss bernie January 14th, 2008 at 9:56 am

    way to go BERNIE!

    there was some noise when torre signed with the leftists that bernie might be given a shot to try out for them, i havent heard anything else about it.
    i hope not, but if he wants to, its his choice.

    HOW ‘BOUT THEM GIANTS!!!!

  7. hmmm January 14th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    “Was I the only one who was dying laughing when Jacobs threw the ball into the play clock after his TD?”

    no. it was hilarious.

  8. Jim in CT January 14th, 2008 at 10:31 am

    Wow, Denny McClain is still alive? Amazing.

  9. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    It was also very stupid. Did you hear the official yelling at him that he better not do it again. Next time he is going to get his team a 15 yard penatly. You won’t be laughing than.

  10. Clay Bellinger January 14th, 2008 at 10:36 am

    Anyone see Phillip Rivers jawing with the Colts fans? What a dirtbag, meanwhile he is not even in the game.

  11. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 14th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Hey everyone. I’m sicker than a dying og, as I like to say. Hope you all are feeling a bit healthier.

  12. saucy January 14th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    i’m pretty sure Jacobs has done the same thing before. didn’t he throw the ball into one of those plastic stars hanging from the walls in dallas once too?

  13. hmmm January 14th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    “Next time he is going to get his team a 15 yard penatly. You won’t be laughing than.”

    depends on the score. i might be dying from laughter.

  14. i miss bernie January 14th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    rebecca feel better we’re under a month till pitchers & catchers!

  15. i miss bernie January 14th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    cant wait to see BJ do the Lambau Leap this week!

  16. Marc January 14th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    “Next time he is going to get his team a 15 yard penatly. You won’t be laughing than.”

    It will be so worth it.

  17. pat January 14th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    I may be old school when it comes to football but I believe the saying that when you get in the endzone, act like you’ve been there before. No antics required.

  18. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Marc no It wouldn’t. Maybe if they were up by 21 with 5 minutes to go. Not in a close game.

  19. tip January 14th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Just heard Phil Hughes off the table for Johan. Where’s the post Pete?

  20. Buddy Biancalana January 14th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    tip–

    source?

  21. hmmm January 14th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    “I may be old school when it comes to football but I believe the saying that when you get in the endzone, act like you’ve been there before.”

    i’d have a lot more sympathy for your side of the argument if it wasn’t the go ahead TD in a playoff game against the guy who kept a sharpie in his sock to autograph his TD ball.

    i admit it’s a little hypocritical of me, b/c on one hand i kindof agree with you.

    but on the other hand, it was awesome.

  22. pat January 14th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    I heard Yankees pulled Santana offer off the table just now on ESPN2

  23. robbie cano January 14th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Can’t find a source on the internet, but there was a breaking news break on espn first take a second ago saying hughes was no longer in the offer. Great move. Maybe we can get Santana without giving up the franchise. What a great start to the week.

  24. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Hank got cold feet. :) I think he realizes all this crap back and forth with the Twins and other teams, are an effort for the Yankees to raise their already good package.

  25. Buddy Biancalana January 14th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    I re-read the was watching guest piece & loved the fact that Torre wasn’t mentioned once in the piece. I got caught up in memory lane & missed Steve’s point entirely. He must be a McCain supporter.

  26. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 11:10 am

    “I heard Yankees pulled Santana offer off the table just now on ESPN2″

    I’d heard that a while ago on mlbtraderumors. That “the offer” was no longer on the table. I don’t think that’s really that new.

  27. Buddy Biancalana January 14th, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Obtaining Johan w/o giving up Hughes would be an absolute coup, as long as Jackson & Tabata are not both in the same deal for him.

  28. John in Ohio January 14th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    Jim in CT

    With the forewarning that McLain is going to attend, the other esteemed guests just might want to consider leaving their wallets locked in their trunks. Jeeesh, why would they invite him? Because he’s a past winner, I guess, but yikes.

  29. i miss bernie January 14th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    sorry this doesnt qualify as real news.
    my moratorium continues.

  30. i miss bernie January 14th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    the should invite Jerry (cattle rustler) grote too!

  31. Alan January 14th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Invite them to spring training. It cannot hurt, and they’d probably make the team. (At least an aging Paulie could take over RF next year when Abreu is gone.)

  32. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 14th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    If Santana being off the table means we can keep the big three, I am down with that.

  33. mel January 14th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Wasn’t Hughes off the table when Hank said we’re not trading Hughes?

    Well, maybe means this is really off the table, like in the real GM notified the Twins that under no circumstances would Hughes be traded.

    So this may be a good thing right? Allows the Twins to save face and take a good look at a secondary deal with the Yankees. One that’s structured similarly to the Mets deal, but with much better quality.

  34. Clay Bellinger January 14th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    I would be happily suprised if we can get Santana without giving up one of the big 3. I’d say that is near impossible though.

  35. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    “I would be happily suprised if we can get Santana without giving up one of the big 3. I’d say that is near impossible though.”

    I’d be happily surprised if they can get him giving up Kennedy, Melky and prospects. That is, at least, sort of reasonable, but still fairly unlikely.

  36. mel January 14th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    OK just read the espn article.

    They said a SECOND offer with Hughes was withdrawn.

    I want Hughes here, but what’s with Bill Smith? How can you say no to a Hughes-centric deal, not once, but twice?

    The kicker? The deal won’t get jump-started until HANK has a change of heart. You mean until they let him out of the dungeon? lol.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3195926

  37. hmmm January 14th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    if this is true, it kindof implies that the Yankees probably IMPROVED their original offer that included Phil.

    i wonder if that means they threw Tabata or Jackson in the mix.

    either way the Twins didn’t accept.

    seems pretty obvious to me that the Twins just don’t want to trade Santana to the Yankees.

  38. Old Ranger January 14th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    Rebecca
    Get well soon, we need you to keep things NICE and Snappy. Get well!

  39. TurnTwo January 14th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    IMO, no hughes in the deal means no johan deal.

    but i agree with hmmm… seems as though no matter is rumored to be a part of a deal, the Twins want no part of sending Santana to the Yankees.

  40. McLovin January 14th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Guess it’s Joba in the Pen for april to June.

  41. SJ44 January 14th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Seems to me, the Twins want no part of sending Santana to ANY AL Team.

    In the past few weeks, they turned down revised deals from the Yankees, Red Sox and Mariners.

    Looks like they are either going to trade him to the Mets or keep him for the season.

    If the Twins are smart, they do the deal with the Mets. If not, they will end up getting draft picks for him because, at some point, Santana (and his agents) are just going to say, “no deal” until the end of the season.

  42. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    “if this is true, it kindof implies that the Yankees probably IMPROVED their original offer that included Phil.”

    I think they’re just referring to Hank’s first “deadline” and then the re-starting of talks as being when Phil was put on the table the second time.

    “Guess it’s Joba in the Pen for april to June.”

    Based on what? Stretching out to start is not really something you want to do during the season. It’d be much better to stretch him out in spring, let him start for a while, and then use him every few days for 2-3 innings to limit his innings while still keeping him mostly stretched out.

  43. SJ44 January 14th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Joba to the ‘pen early in the season is not a bad idea. Since he is going to be on an innings count, it may be the best way to maximize his production to the team.

    It also deepens the bullpen.

    Of course, it means guys like Moose are going to have to pitch a helluva lot better than he did last year.

    I have a feeling, Kennedy will be able to eat innings. That gives the Yankees 3 guys (along with Wang and Pettitte) who can eat innings. Hughes, of course, being the wild card in terms of innings eating ability.

  44. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    saucy,
    Man those prediction of ours really tanked didnt it. Every one of them went the other way. The one that hurts the most is my Colts. They dominated the game, were in the red zone 4 times and came up empty. Dungy has to go. Nice guy, but always gets out coached. Sorry about your pool. I really thought those picks were legit.

    Who has the best chance to take out the Pats? My guess is the Packers. But iv been wrong before.

  45. saucy January 14th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    yeah sos, i’m officially out of the work pool. but i’m a giant fan, so i’m happy today.

  46. TurnTwo January 14th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    to me, it kind of makes sense to start Joba in the pen early rather than late, should you choose to go that route in capping his innings.

    you keep Joba’s innings down, fortify the bullpen early in the season, and allow your internal bullpen options to finish rehabbing and become available midseason… you then allow Joba some time to stretch himself out, maybe go down to Trenton/SWB for a couple weeks, and come up for the stretch run in August.

  47. saucy January 14th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    is it tough to make a mid-season switch from bullpen to starter?

  48. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    “Hughes, of course, being the wild card in terms of innings eating ability.”

    Hughes and Joba are both on a similar innings count. I suspect both will see time in the pen or minors as an innings limiting tool. Or a DL stint for “shoulder fatigue” or something similarly nebulous and not that bad.

  49. GRRRRRRRRR January 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    According to one report I read, Santana has said through his agent that once the season starts he will not waive his NTC and will go to free agency.

    http://rays.scout.com/a.z?s=32.....8;c=719656

    The two-time Cy Young winner wants any deal consummated before spring training begins, Santana’s agent, Peter Greenberg, told the New York Times.

    That’s more than just an interested opinion, considering Santana owns the right to veto any trade, and presumably would exercise it once he reports to Twins camp in Fort Myers, Fla., in mid-February. Santana has already said, through Greenberg, that he would not approve any trade once the season begins and would declare free agency in November.

    That urgency might explain the apparent movement in trade talks in recent days, with the New York Mets emerging as a more serious suitor than earlier in the process. According to a report in The Bergen (N.J.) Record, the Mets have discussed sending a large package of premier prospects — perhaps including prized 19-year-old outfielder Fernando Martinez, rated as the Mets’ top prospect — for Santana. Martinez “has not been excluded” from the trade talks, a Mets official told the newspaper, as shortstop Jose Reyes was when the talks began.

    If they don’t deal Santana soon then he will be a Twinkie through the rest of the season according to this. If Smith does a deal with the Mets he won’t get any MLB ready players. I will laugh if at the end of it all Santana stays with them for the season and Smith ends up with two draft picks.

  50. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    “to me, it kind of makes sense to start Joba in the pen early rather than late, should you choose to go that route in capping his innings.”

    See, I feel like he’s already spent a lot of time away from his changeup, which is still under development, and I’d rather not have him spend the first three months of the year not using it and then need it come August.

  51. mel January 14th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Joba to the pen also gives the young kids who might make an impact this year more time to get healthy.

    It’s not who you start the season with, it’s who you end with. I don’t think the Yankees plan on pitching the kids to the point where they have to be shut down towards the end of the season.

    saucy, did you actually bet against your Giants?

  52. saucy January 14th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    mel – yes :/

  53. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Only thing with Ian, he needs to settle quickly. Last year it took him 2-3 innings before he settled down and pitched very well.

  54. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    I think it would be better to use Joba as a starter first. Where he has the endurance to go innings and then when his innings cap is inching closer, then you move him to the pen. I cant immagine him having to start the year going an inning at a time and then having to switch on midway. It just seems harder to do.

  55. i miss bernie January 14th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    id start joba in the rotation and move him to the pen later, just like last year. for one thing id like to give farnsworth hawkins, alaladajo and co the chance to show if they can do anything. secondly, last year worked pretty good with joba switching from starter to relief during the year.

  56. GRRRRRRRRR January 14th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    I wouldn’t be shocked if the Yankees had some kind of rotation for the three kids to limit the number of innings for Hughes and Joba.

    I would think that Joba would be told to work in his other pitches if he ends up spending time in the bullpen. While most relief pitchers only use two pitches, that doesn’t mean you can’t use others. Joba threw his curve a couple of times and it just had the batters shaking their heads. He could be effective that way, keep developing his “weaker” pitches, and trim off some innings pitched time.

  57. mel January 14th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    I’m not a Giants fan (don’t fling your arrows, guys), but anyone could see that the Giants were going to win. Eli had been playing well and Tony & the ‘Boys had been playing really badly lately.

    I had to chuckle because no one in the studio picked the Giants. I knew instantly they would all be wrong. Although, you can’t blame Jimmy Johnson. At least he went with his team. hint, hint.

    The Boys lost because they lost focus. Maybe less time off, more time preparing? Local radio host (Long Island transplant) said that the Giants d-line was more conditioned than the Dallas o-line so Umenmura (sp?) was more of a factor.

  58. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    If the Giants were healthy, i would think they would cause the most problems for the Pats. They have argueably the best pass rush in the game. I think Brady cannot stay confortable in the pocket or as we saw, he will pick you apart. A running game with help the opposition as well. Keeping Brady sidelined would obviously slow down their offense. Good luck to the 3 teams that are trying to snap the streak.

  59. mel January 14th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    jennifer,

    Same could be said of Hughes. Rookie thing I guess. Like SJ said Hughes is the wildcard. But if Hughes has his legs under him (Clemens will attest that’s the most important thing) then I predict he’ll be the pitcher he was in Sept/Oct. When Hughes first came back, he was trying to finesse because he didn’t have his legs. IMO of course. :)

  60. GRRRRRRRRR January 14th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    The first half had the teams looking fairly even, with a slight edge to the Cowboys.

    The second half there was little to no protection for Romo. That was what made the difference in the game. The Giants defense actually improved in the second half, which just doesn’t happen in most cases.

    Some dropped passes also could have turned the game around.

  61. mel January 14th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    S.o.S.,

    At least the Giants have their QB. If the Chargers weren’t playing the Patriots I’d feel sorry for them. Props to the Bolts for beating a good team with a lot of backups.

  62. mel January 14th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    GRRRR,

    It literally went down to that last play. If someone in white had caught that last pass, it would’ve been end game.

  63. hmmm January 14th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    “is it tough to make a mid-season switch from bullpen to starter?”

    it’s been done before:

    http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2003

    in fact, this is basically the textbook example of what the Yankees should do (unless they go with some sort of 6 starter arrangement). longer relief stints with 2-3 days off in between. keep him stretched out, but keep the innings down. around June, let him loose in the rotation.

  64. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    I just hope Phil doesn’t put too much pressure on himself to prove the Yankees right, (in not trading him). He has to go out and trust his stuff and pitch to his ability, which by all accounts is great.

  65. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    RIP, Johnny Podres. Even though you broke my heart in 1955 and 1963, you was a Hell of a pitcher and a damned nice guy.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3195497

  66. mel January 14th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    jennifer,

    Based on what everyone says about him, he’s got a great head on his shoulders. He really has that bulldog mentality.

    Still shaking my head at Bill Smith.

  67. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    How nice would it be for Phil to have a great year, and for us to sign Johan next year to replace Mussina. And we win the WS this year and next year. The Yankees would get the last laugh. :)

  68. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    mel,
    Im a Colts fan and i do give props to the Chargers for beating us with a reserve squad. But anyone who watched the game knows that they werent the better team. Manning threw for 400 yards and only scored 24 points. You cant come up empty 4 times in the red zone and expect to win. Dungy did a Torre and watched Rivers have all day to pass and not once sent a blitz to put some pressure on him. I will now lick my wounds and hope that next year they can compete again for the Super Bowl. With the Jags and Titans getting better its going to be tough.

    Alot of people say that the Chargers are the Colts of last year and the Steelers of the prior. Both those teams had #1 seeds the year before their Super Bowl win and were under dogs they year of. I just dont think the Bolts are healthy enough to hang with your Pats. But as this weekend has proved once again is that in the NFL any team can beat anyone in any Given Sunday.

  69. GRRRRRRRRR January 14th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    mel, I agree with that up to a point, but the opportunities were there a number of times and they came up short.

    It was a fun game to watch, even though I don’t root for any particular team, I was thinking the Cowboys should have pulled it off. Their protection of Romo during the second half is what sunk their chances. Had they given some decent protection the Giants would have been beaten. During the whole second half Romo was running away from being sacked more than anything else. You can’t get any offense going that way.

  70. GRRRRRRRRR January 14th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    I don’t see the Chargers having any shot at all of getting through the Pats. Really, the only team that might have brought the Pats down was the Colts.

  71. mel January 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    S.o.S.,

    How are the backups for the key injuries for the Colts? I noticed that the “surprise” teams (I include the Giants here) all have had guys that stepped up and either met or exceeded the value of the players they’ve replaced.

    GRRRRR,

    Yes, but had it not been for the good coverage in the endzone, that would have been the walk-off HR. :)

  72. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    Can anyone remember the last time we didnt sign a big name player that wasnt already on the team the prior year in the offseason? I dont think it has happened in awhile. At the very least not in this decade.It just feels weird to see our Yankees stay put on any big trades or signing big names(not including ours)in the offseason. I sort of like this new strategy to improve within. Rather than sign an expensive free agent that ends up hand cuffing us for years.

  73. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    S.o.S.27

    Jorge Posada
    Mariano Rivera
    Alex Rodriguez

    Those are big name free agents, infact the biggest for their respective positions. :P

  74. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    OOps I just re-read you post, never mind.

  75. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Every time some mentions a pitcher being able to eat innings, I get a mental picture of Pac-man! :lol:

    Does anyone know when Liriano is expected to rejoin the Twins rotation? Ken Rosenthal on XM this morning talked about the possibility of the Twins just hanging onto Santana and making one more push this year (for the division) and just taking the draft picks. He said they’re not a terrible team and with Santana, Liriano and Nathan as the closer they could be very competitive.

  76. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    mel
    January 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
    S.o.S.,

    How are the backups for the key injuries for the Colts? I noticed that the “surprise” teams (I include the Giants here) all have had guys that stepped up and either met or exceeded the value of the players they’ve replaced.

    Losing Dwight Freeney for the year really hurt our pass rush. All the other possitions people stepped up and did well. I think the Giants lost a couple of corner backs and still held down the Cowboys by getting in Romo’s face. As far as the Chargers, Tomlinson might have hurt an mcl or acl. His knee was hyper extended and he kept rubbing his knee. I dont think hell play. Turner is a hell of a backup. IMO runs HARDER than LT. Rivers had a good game(needs to shut his trap though)and i dont know how Volic would do. He was good with the Titans but that was long ago. The person they definately cant replace is Gates. To answer your question,most teams make the playoffs because of thier depth. In the case of the Giants and Chargers it has saved thier season. How long will the bandaid continue to stick for?

  77. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Doreen, Liriano should be ready to go for Spring Training, but, I’ve got to believe that the Twins will monitor his games and innings. It would be foolhearty for them to just cut him loose and use him the way they did at the start of 2006.

  78. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Thanks, GreenBeret7.

  79. Scooter January 14th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Doreen

    I can’t see the Twins hanging on to Santana for that very reason – I don’t think there’s a chance they can compete – even with Liriano and Santana in the rotation. Cleveland and Detroit just seem too good, and ownership has never allowed Ryan (and now Smith) to get reinforcements at the trade deadline.

    IF they were to get in, having two guys like Liriano and Santana makes the Twins one team I wouldn’t want to face in the playoffs. BUT… who is your #3 starter? Bonser?

    Dealing Santana and restocking the farm makes more sense – especially if you can get the 4 or 5 prospects the Mets might be offering – especially if you can get F-Mart and Guerra.

    (For a low-payroll team, the Twins farm system isn’t really that good)

  80. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    “Those are big name free agents, infact the biggest for their respective positions.”

    So, was Andy. Though, that still doesn’t address the outside-FA question.

    06-07 was Pettitte
    05-06 was Damon
    04-05 was Pavano
    03-04…Vasquez?

  81. mel January 14th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    S.o.S.,

    Ohhh, I heard about Rivers jawing with the defense when he’s on the sideline, but I was SHOCKED! to see him jawing with the Indy fans. Looked like one guy was about to stick finger at him. I would’ve thrown something at him if I could avoid jail & losing my tix! And I’m mild-mannered. But, I can’t stand disrespect. I’ve got no tolerance for it.

  82. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    02 was Matsui
    01 Giambi
    00 Mussina

  83. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    The Chargers always seem to draft these quarterbacks with big mouths. Who was that other one that bombed and went right after Manning in the draft. The same one who Seau had to pull off of a reporter. Oh yeah Leaf. Rivers was jawing in the Titans game as well. No wonder LT seems to get into it with him every other game. I think a late hit on him might do the job.

  84. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Any time, Doreen. hope that answered part of it for you. Personally, If Santana stays in Minnesota, they could scare teams for at least part of the season. Cleveland will possibly have distractions with Sabathia and hoping Carmona was for real. Detroit, beyond Verlander has pitching questions in the rotation and Zumaya being out for a lot of the season. Detroit could be a lot like the Yankees….a lot of offense and questions about the pitching. any injuries to those two teams and Minnesota could sneak in.

  85. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    03 rodriguez
    99 EL DUQUE?
    98 Clemens

    96 Martinez

    Can anyone remember when we got Knoblauch,Wells,Cone or someone big in the mid to late 90′s

  86. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    97 Chuck Knoblauch
    96 David Wells

    Thats 96-2007 with a Big name offseason free agents.Does the streak go further than that? 95?

  87. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Free agent signings in the offseason that was not on the team in the prior year.

    06 pettite
    05 damon,Johnson
    04 pavano,wright,johnson
    03 rodriquez,vazquez
    02 matsui,contreras
    01 giambi
    00 mussina
    99 hernandez
    98 clemens
    97 knoblauch
    96 wells,martinez

    Lets keep it going.

  88. mel January 14th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    08- LaTroy Hawkins

  89. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Martinez was a trade in 1996

  90. Dan from Mass January 14th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    I apologize if this has been covered already:

    Chad Jennings of the SWB Yankees Blog had a chat with Deric McKamey of BaseballHQ about his Top 15 Yankees prospects list.

    http://emedia.thetimes-tribune.....Kamey.aspx

    I’d be interested to hear what people like SJ44 and CB think of his analysis, especially regarding the position players from the last draft and before. I’d actually be interested in the opinion of anyone who has seen these guys play.

  91. mel January 14th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Oops, we crossed in cyberspace.

    07-LaTroy Hawkins

  92. saucy January 14th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    95 darryl

  93. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Welles came in 1997 and Kenny Rogers in 1996

  94. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    “Oops, we crossed in cyberspace.

    07-LaTroy Hawkins”

    He’s not really “big” on the level of all those other guys. And, yes, we weren’t including trades in the list. So, Randy doesn’t count, Brown doesn’t count.

  95. mel January 14th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    whozat,

    lol. That was the point.

  96. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    mel
    January 14th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
    08- LaTroy Hawkins

    Sorry. I meant BIG NAME free agent.lol

  97. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    95 – Mariano Duncan and Kenny Rogers

    And can I believe my eyes – Bob Watson drafted Johan Santana in the 1995 Amateur draft???????? What????

  98. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Dan, the one position player that many seem to want to overlook is Mitch Hilligoss. The power will develope. He’s a line drive hitter in the gaps. A little tuning up on his swing and he’ll learn to pull just a bit and elevate the ball. He’s playing third right now, but the thought is to move him to second base. He was a shortstop in college. Personally, I’d consider first base. He is a great base runner…lots of speed.

  99. saucy January 14th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    “Sorry. I meant BIG NAME free agent.lol”

    07 MIENTKIEWICZ ?

  100. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Kenny rogers was December 30 of 1995

  101. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    wells came in the offseason after 96 season. Thats why i have him slotted in 96.

  102. i miss bernie January 14th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    nobody new added this year, but remember the payroll is over $200M. also although its not adding a new name, phil hughes in a full season may be a BIG addition to the team.
    also with $50M coming off the payroll next year i expect we may see them make up for this year by making 2 big signings next season (texiera and johann?)

  103. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Strawberry was a mid-year signing in 95. Thought the discussion was post-season Free agent signings, right?

  104. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    saucy
    January 14th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
    “Sorry. I meant BIG NAME free agent.lol”

    07 MIENTKIEWICZ ?

    No, but Josh Phelps would do.

  105. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Doreen, where did you see that Santana was a Yankee draft pick? He was a international free agent pick by Houston in 1995.

  106. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Doreen
    January 14th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
    95 – Mariano Duncan and Kenny Rogers

    94 anyone?

  107. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    GreenBeret7 -

    Here, in a list of Bob Watson’s accomplishments, Significant Signings:

    http://www.baseball-reference......t_Signings

  108. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    My mistake. I was listing the years these FA first played for NYY. Interestingly enough, David Welles was nothing more than a swap with Baltimore for Jimmy Key.

  109. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    “Dan, the one position player that many seem to want to overlook is Mitch Hilligoss”

    Well…he’s 22 in A ball and didn’t put up great numbers.

  110. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Oh, ok, Doreen. Watson was the GM in Houston when they signed Santana. My error.

  111. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Whozat, this was his first season of full season baseball after college. He played short season in 2006. He also had a 39 game hitting streak this past year. He’ll add some weight, but, if your knock is the lack of home runs, remermber that the Sally League isn’t known for power hitters. Might remind you also that Mattingly had a career high of 9 homers in the minors. He must have changed something.

  112. Alan January 14th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Johan Santana appears to be on the brink of frustration of the not knowing and like any player this time of year, wants to know where he’ll be. His agent (Peter Greenberg) has made this known to the Twins. It’s squarely on the shoulders of Bill Smith to act very soon or be content with having the services of Santana for a final year resulting in draft picks or hope the July 31st trading deadline sees otherwise.
    All teams concerned have re-thought their strategies leaving the Mets as the only active suitor.

  113. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    GreenBeret7 -

    Clearly they either made a mistake or there is some other Joahn Santana who disappeared. :) The Houston Astros would appear to have drafted Johan in 1995.

  114. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    I am wrong again!

    One should always read the fine print. Apparently they are correct, but that Watson signed Santana for the ASTROS! Silly me.

  115. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Correct, Doreen. Watson was the Houston GM in 1995.

  116. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Man, it would have helped had I had a clue that Watson had a career before NY. As I’ve said before, the years when my kids were very young, I didn’t follow baseball AT ALL. :)

  117. mel January 14th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Doreen,

    Talk about a day late, and a dollar short. Johan Santana could’ve been a Yankee if Watson was with us in 1995. But then he would’ve been traded away for some big name back in the day. :(

  118. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    That brings up another fallacy. Watson is credited with building championships and drafting well, but, he was the Yankee GM from late ’95 through January of ’98. He didn’t have a lot of time to build that much.

  119. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    GB7 -

    Looks like Watson had a mixed record. Some really good deals and signings and some not as good. But some of his better one were really good.

    My previous mistake would also mean that Sid Bream was not a NY Yankee free agent signing in 1994. That would also have been the Astros.

  120. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Watson’s claim to fame (although he was a fine ball player) is hitting for the cycle in both leagues and scoring ML’s baseball’s 1,000,000th run.

  121. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Correct on Bream, Doreen…luckily for the Yankees.

  122. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    I would say his trades were good: he got Girardi, Tino, Nelson, Raines, Fielder and Brosius. Then he got Stanton and Wells as free agents. Not a bad resume. He also got Gooden.

  123. hmmm January 14th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    he also traded Tony Armas Jr. for Mike Stanley. Armas was later a key part of Boston’s package (along with everyone’s favorite pitcher Carl Pavano) for Pedro Martinez.

  124. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Definately. Watson was good at evaluting player trades. Keeping in mind that a lot of those trades were demanded because George steinbrenner wanted certain players who would do well against the Yankees (“Get that player. Why can’t we have players like that.”) Usually, George didn’t even know their names…he barely knew his own players names. back in 1974, he told Manager Bill Virdon, “Tell #1 to get his hair cut.” This was half way through the season. #1 was Bobby Murcer, his biggest star.

  125. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Very, very funny, GB7!

  126. susan mullen January 14th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Re headline from George Mitchell Network (ESPN) about offer being withdrawn–Hank said to a local NY reporter a few days ago that the offer made during winter meetings was no longer on the table, in effect no offer was on the table. No big deal was made about it in my mind or that of the reporter. There has been much speculation by parties looking to create leverage or controversy, but short of Steinbrenner and the Twins confirming otherwise, I haven’t seen evidence an offer has been sitting on the table for the taking. The Twins aren’t in a position to be picky about where Santana goes. The economics of baseball have achieved socialist nirvana.

  127. mel January 14th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    GB7,

    What a sweet story. In light of the past year that Bobby’s had, I bet that’s a personal favorite of Bobby’s.

  128. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    George had very little knowledge about baseball when he first bought the team. He was sitting in his box by the first base dugout with Al Rosen, a good friend, part owner and the old Indians third baseman. Close game, but Yanks down by a run late…bases loaded and one out..bater hits a grounder to short, second, first double play. George jumps up and starts clapping and cheering about the Yanks tying the game. Rosen tells George that the run doesn’t count because of the DP. George goes crazy..yelling that the umpires and scorer are trying to cheat the Yankees because the runner clearly crossed home plate before the third out. Rosen said that he was totally embarrassed and just sat there, shaking his head.

  129. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 14th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Whoa.

    I just heard on ESPN that Johnny Podres passed away…did you all know this? I was really really out of it last night, so I suspect you did and I just missed it.

  130. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    When the Yanks traded Murcer to SF, Steinbrenner cried and wanted the trade cancelled but, he had no control over the team at that time. Murcer had become George’s favorite ball player along with Munson.

  131. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    You’re right, Mel. Murcer told that story a few times, laughing about it. I guess Bobby was a little late getting his hair cut. Reminds me of the Don Mattingly haircut story in the early ’90s.

  132. mel January 14th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    GB7,

    If George was around more, he’d probably joke with Bobby, telling him to cut his hair.

  133. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Most likely, Mel. George was under one of his suspensions at the time of the trade. Murcer said George called him and told him that one day he was going to get Murcer back. Too bad it couldn’t have happened during the ’78 pennant run. Always enjoyed murcer and Kaat together on broadcasts. They both had great stories…usually Mantle stories or about their screwups. Murcer’s favorites were about his skills as an infielder. He had much in common with Mantle in that regard.

  134. Ed Whitson January 14th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Some players are not meant to play in New York.

  135. McLovin January 14th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Kennedy,Melky,Horne,Marquez for Santana.Thats still better then most of the packages out there.But HGH Pettitte couldn’t stay retired.Hopefully he doesn’t pitch great.

  136. KB January 14th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Arod and Vazquez also need to be removed from the list- trades not FA signings.

  137. raymagnetic â„¢ January 14th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    But HGH Pettitte couldn’t stay retired.Hopefully he doesn’t pitch great.

    And you call yourself a Yankee fan? You should really revoke your fandom. Regardless of how you feel about Pettitte, if Pettitte doesn’t pitch well then the Yankees will be a much worse team. I guess in your small-minded demented little world that makes sense to you.

  138. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    “Vazquez also need to be removed from the list- trades not FA signings.”

    Oh, I didn’t realize Vazquez was a trade. My fault.

    06-07 pettite
    05-06 damon
    04-05 pavano,wright
    03-04 Tom Gordon
    02-03 matsui,contreras
    01-02 giambi
    00-01 mussina
    99-00 hernandez
    98-99 ???
    97-98 knoblauch
    96-97 wells

  139. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    raymagnetic â„¢

    Which Yankee “fan” said that about Pettitte?

  140. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    McLovin
    January 14th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
    Kennedy,Melky,Horne,Marquez for Santana.Thats still better then most of the packages out there.But HGH Pettitte couldn’t stay retired.Hopefully he doesn’t pitch great.

    First off, i wouldnt give Horne and Kennedy in a trade. Just too much. Secondly i dont understand you hoping Pettite does bad. He was to some our best pitcher last year. So him coming back to the team only helps us. We were in negotiations before Pettite signed he actually gave us a leg to stand on once he announced he was returning. Would you have preferred him not signing and us giving up Hughes,Kennedy,Melky and Marquiz? Oh and keep in mind if Pettite wins we win. Which is what we all want id hope.

  141. Steve January 14th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    whozat

    El Duque pitched Game 4 of the 1998 ALCS against the Indians so he had to have been signed some time before or during the 98 season. Also, knoblauch was traded for, we gave up Milton, radke and some others to get him, not signed as a free agent. You could count Hideki Irabu as right before the 99 season.

  142. Steve January 14th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    SOS

    I would definitely give up Kennedy, Horne and Marquez for Santana, no questions asked. That would be a steal.

  143. raymagnetic â„¢ January 14th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Jennifer – it was McLovin.

  144. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    whozat

    El Duque pitched Game 4 of the 1998 ALCS against the Indians so he had to have been signed some time before or during the 98 season. Also, knoblauch was traded for, we gave up Milton, radke and some others to get him, not signed as a free agent. You could count Hideki Irabu as right before the 99 season.

    Yeah, all that was during the period of time when I was in high school and watching girls instead of baseball. So I copied that from someone else’s list and there may have been a translation error

    06-07 pettite
    05-06 damon
    04-05 pavano,wright
    03-04 Tom Gordon
    02-03 matsui,contreras
    01-02 giambi
    00-01 mussina
    99-00 Irabu
    98-99 ???
    97-98 El Duque
    96-97 wells

  145. McLovin January 14th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    raymagnetic-

    Just pissed off that the Yankees gave Clemens $28 million last year and think Santana is not worth $130 million.And also that Pettitte should have retired knowing he was gonna be on that Mitchell report two days before he signed with the Yankees and was a cheater and we are giving him $16 million to a a #3 guy and to be our vetern which is now tainted on this staff.

    If Pettitte wasn’t in that report and got away with it everybody would be saying Clemens isn’t a true Yankee and Pettitte would never cheat.

    I remember in 2005 when Palmerio hit 3,000 hits he waved to the crowd like a hero.But a month later he failed a drug test and knew it two months before his 3,000th hit that he failed.Thats why Pettitte should have retired.All were gonna here is what Pettitte will say in spring training.

    Can’t wait till 2009 no Giambi,Pettitte,Mussina,Pavano,Fransworth….overpriced dead weight.

  146. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Actually, Irabu came over in 97. So, he’s wrong too.

    06-07 pettite
    05-06 damon
    04-05 pavano,wright
    03-04 Tom Gordon
    02-03 matsui,contreras
    01-02 giambi
    00-01 mussina
    99-00 ???
    98-99 ???
    97-98 El Duque
    96-97 wells

  147. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Steve
    January 14th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
    SOS

    I would definitely give up Kennedy, Horne and Marquez for Santana, no questions asked. That would be a steal.

    So that would be giving up 2 of your top 4 pitchers. Horne stuff is supposed to be just as good as any of the big 3. I think we would have given up more in our package than any competiter. Which is why I wouldnt include both.

  148. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    raymagnetic â„¢

    Why am I not suprised.

    I won’t even bother responding to his lastest post.

  149. raymagnetic â„¢ January 14th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Just pissed off that the Yankees gave Clemens $28 million last year and think Santana is not worth $130 million.

    You’re wrong. This is the latest hank quote “When asked about the Yankees’ package of players, Steinbrenner would not comment but did tell the Daily News that “it’s still the best one. And let’s face it, we’re the best able to handle the kind of [nine-figure extension] Santana will be after.”

    And also that Pettitte should have retired knowing he was gonna be on that Mitchell report two days before he signed with the Yankees and was a cheater and we are giving him $16 million to a a #3 guy and to be our vetern which is now tainted on this staff.

    He used HGH in 2002, admitted it and is trying to move on. Why should he have retired? I don’t see anyone else on the report retiring.

  150. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    raymagnetic â„¢

    You don’t know that Mclovin never did anything wrong in his LIFE! He was a perfect angel. He never took a sip of alcohol, always drives right at the speed limit.

  151. Blargh January 14th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    We also haven’t seen anybody who’s ever taken a greenie without prescription retire because of that, even though they are criminals for that ;)

  152. raymagnetic â„¢ January 14th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Jennifer,

    McLovin is saint and the rest of us can only hope to reach such levels of sainthood.

  153. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    “Horne stuff is supposed to be just as good as any of the big 3.”

    Yeah, but he apparently has a long arm action that leads to inconsistent release points, which has made it difficult for him to control his stuff — and is likely to continue to do so. That’s from the post on Chad Jennings’ SWB blog that either Pete or someone else posted recently. So, Horne has more potential than Ian, but Ian is more likely to achieve his (admittedly slightly lesser) potential.

    But…I’d have to consider that deal. We keep Joba and Phil, and add 200 innings of an ace lefty. And get exclusive negotiating rights. I wouldn’t consider it a steal, but I’d consider it fair, if the Yankees could sign Santana to a 5 year deal. Which is fairly unlikely.

  154. hmmm January 14th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    “Just pissed off that the Yankees gave Clemens $28 million last year and think Santana is not worth $130 million.”

    first, they didn’t “give” him $28M. they gave him $17M.

    second, Hank has explicitly said that if Johan were a free agen…you know what, forget it.

    you’re a troll.

  155. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    whozat,
    My original question was ” Can anyone remember the last time we didnt sign a big name player that wasnt already on the team the prior year in the offseason?”. I looked up the roster of 99 and 98 and i think your 99-00 is right. So its been 8 years.

    Now as far as a Big trade or free agent in the offseason. I think its stops at 95. Anyone?

  156. i miss bernie January 14th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    mc might be annoying and a contrarian but you guys are letting andy pettite off way too easy.
    he was everybody’s darling last season and he’s apparently going to be everybody’s darling again when the season starts, so he pays no penalty for admitting to cheating?

  157. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge January 14th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Not when he is on your team. You want him to be successful right? If you are going to boo him it does no good. You can be sure he is already killing himself over this.

  158. mel January 14th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Show me a post where McLovin said anything positive about the Yankees. I doubt he’s a fan.

    As for Pettitte, he’s a Yankee and he gets my full support.

  159. Clay Bellinger January 14th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    I personally will not look at Andy the same, I can’t. Who knows if he only took HGH twice like in the report? It would not suprise me if there were more instances. Now with that being said, we need him and i will still root for him, just like I rooted for Roger when I didnt like him and for Giambi after his circus that he caused.

  160. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    i miss bernie
    January 14th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
    mc might be annoying and a contrarian but you guys are letting andy pettite off way too easy.
    he was everybody’s darling last season and he’s apparently going to be everybody’s darling again when the season starts, so he pays no penalty for admitting to cheating?

    Schilling or Conseco(cant remember) stated a couple years ago that 70% of players are on something. So we’re still waiting for 65% of them to come out and at least admit in wrong doing. Pettite was man enough as was Giambi to come clean.

  161. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    “so he pays no penalty for admitting to cheating?”

    Would my being angry really penalize him in any way? Given the prevalence of greenies that we all know happened in the game in the 70′s (at least), it’d be kinda hypocritical to get all mad at Andy for getting two HGH shots while on the DL 5+ years ago without going and looking up all the players I may like from back then and seeing whether or not they ever did uppers.

  162. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Well, at the very least, Andy is going to be bombarded by the media with question after question, don’t you think? Not only that, but he has to live with himself, and who knows, it was a few years ago, maybe he has made his peace with it. But there are degrees of wrongdoing aren’t there? And if he indeed told the truth, he tried it 2 times, and then said he didn’t want to continue. Is no one allowed to make a mistake? I know, I sound like I’m justifying. But even the Court system makes allowances.

    Don’t you do that with your own kids, at least to a degree, and depending on the severity of the misbehavior?

    Now, if it comes out Clemens is lying, that’s a different story altogether. But I give Andy some credit for telling the truth.

  163. Drive 4-5 January 14th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Blargh,

    You’re right. Just about every player since the 60′s would have had to retire if they admitted to using greenied. The trainers used to dispense them like candy according to Jim Boutin’s book “Ball Four”.

    Speaking of Jim Boutin, I’d love to hear his take on the current news of the day. Boutin was a guy who was villified for writing the truth. I’ve met him a couple of times. He’s a very intelligent man and I found him to be true to his word.

    On Old Timer’s Day in 2001 he hosted myself and several coaches and kids from the youth baseball league that I run. It was a prize that was donated to us when Jim generously offered seats and autographs at a charity auction.

    To make a long story short, there was a mixup with the tickets. Rather than seats with his family, all he could get us were bleacher seats. Jim told me about it in advance,felt awful,opolgized prefusely and promised to make it up to us.He sure did make it up to us!

    He met us at the Press Gate entrance and brought us into the locker room and we got to go inside the dugout. He then took us under the Stadium and gave us a private tour of Monument Park. He autographed balls for each of us and made sure I gave him everyone’s full name. A week later he sent me autographed hard bound copies of the re-issue of Ball Four personalized with each of our names.

  164. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    big free agents or trades

    94-95 Jack mcdowell,Wettland
    93-94 ???
    92-93 jimmy key,oneil,boggs

  165. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Speed, greenies, uppers, what ever you want to call them, have been in baseball since the early ’40s.

  166. Blargh January 14th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Hmm, I think that I can like this Jim Boutin fella

    Speaking of greenies/amphetamines, I know that they’ve been a controlled substance since 1970, but does anybody remember their legal status before then? Since GB7 has reminded us about their usage earlier than that

  167. DHC January 14th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Pete, I’d like to know your take on what effect the announcement that a lot of well-known entertainers were also getting PED from that same pharmacy (Signature) will have on the outcry about athletes. The entertainers are not being questioned, reviled, or haled before Congress. Will this help put the whole thing in another perspective? With the media? With the public, even if not with Congress?

  168. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    Blargh, Amphetimines became illegal without a prescription in 1965. They were first developed in 1887. The German army gave them to their troops until late 1941.

  169. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    PEDs by entertainers is nothing new. LSD is a PED. Just ask The Beatles, Sones, Doors, Hendrix.

  170. thenextandykosco January 14th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    I agree with Steve’s assertion above that Chuck Knoblauch was not acquired by the Yankees as a free agent. As Steve points out, Knoblauch was acquired in trade for Eric Milton, and others. Actually, the trade took place on February 6, 1998. To get Knoblauch, the Yankees gave up Milton, shortstop Christian Guzman, pitcher Danny Mota, and outfielder Brian Buchanan (not to be confused with a Yankee minor league pitcher with the same name), and cash. I disagree with Steve’s assertion that the Yankees gave up Brad Radke in the trade for Knoblauch. There is no evidence that Radke’s contract was ever property of the New York Yankees. I used Baseball-Reference.com, which is linked on this blog, to refresh my memory on this trade.

  171. Blargh January 14th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    GB7: Thanks
    …though I wonder why the German army stopped using them in 1941. The addictive properties were too much for any possible performance enhancements?

  172. Drive 4-5 January 14th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    At one point, many folks projected Christian Guzman told be the better player when comparing him to Derek Jeter. Again, it shows the danger of putting a lot of stock in minor league talent evaluators.

  173. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Buchanan is married to John Havlichek’s daughter. I remember the reports when he almost destroyed his foot in a play. They foot was dying and they seriously considered amputation. He definately had talent…at least as much as Nick Johnson…but, he also had some speed.

  174. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    Blargh, I’m not sure, but, when they’d stop taking the drugs, they would have entire divisions shut down due to exhaustion, so, I’m guessing that was the reason..

  175. mel January 14th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    Blargh,

    Duh. The German army stopped using them because it’s cheating.

  176. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Guzman was a pretty damned good hitter and fielder, until injuries ran him over….Jeter good, I don’t think so, but, he would have been more useful at second base than Knoblauch was.

  177. Jack Ransovy January 14th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    I read at mlb that Cano wanted a Santana trade even though it would’ve taken his good friend Cabrera away. He thought it would be good for the Yankees and Cabrera. In another note his agent said that Cano wants a long term contract. The Yankees haven’t contacted Cano’s agent to discuss a contract (or anything else which seems odd since he’d probably get more arbitration than the Yankees want to spend [unless they give him a contract]and arbitration is about half a month away). I’m hoping for a contract. Hope he gets a very long one.

  178. Boston Dave January 14th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    I’m a little late on this one but unless the Yankees know something that we dont (such as the Twins making it crystal clear that they wont trade Santana to an AL team), Hank’s comments seem indefensible to me.

    I know many are defending Hank and his comments but what does this acheive?? I still dont see the benefit to this.

    If the Red Sox are serious about getting Santana, what does this do for them? It theoretically takes away the one team who would potentially drive up their price.

    Even if the Yanks have ZERO intention of getting Santana, it still benefits them to keep other teams in the dark about this.

    Again, maybe there is more to this or maybe Hank is trying to use some reverse psychology here… but I doubt it.

    Boo!

  179. Geo Diego January 14th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    The Yankees probably will contact Cano’s agent during this or next week. They are probably still deciding if he gets a long contract or just a one year deal.

  180. mel January 14th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Jack,

    That’s interesting about Cano. He’s right, though, about it being good for Melky’s career. But dang is it not cool to be the CF for the New York Yankees? If one of the two stud CF prospects pans out it wouldn’t work out too well for Melky if he were still on the team.

    Can the rest of the Yankees let Santana know that they love him through the media? Dang, that’s an instant fine in the NBA.

  181. Geo Diego January 14th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    It really starts to look like Santana is staying with the twins or the Mets get him but if the season starts with Santana a twin don’t expect him to move mid year he has a full no trade and many sources confirmed that either trade now or enjoy your draft picks next year.

  182. Boston Dave January 14th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    mel,

    who are the two stud CF prospects? Isnt Tabata slated for a corner OF spot?

  183. Boston Dave January 14th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Geo Diego,

    for what its worth, Santana’s agent said that any rumors about Santana refusing to be traded mid-season are absolutely false.
    that doesnt mean he wouldnt, just that anything that’s been said about it was prob a media-driven rumor.

  184. Joe Pepitone January 14th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    “Anyone see Phillip Rivers jawing with the Colts fans? What a dirtbag, meanwhile he is not even in the game.”

    And I’m sure what the fans were saying to him exemplified class. That makes him a dirtbag because he talks back to the fans? Just because you buy a ticket, doesn’t give you a right to yell at a player and expect them to sit back and take it. And I think Rivers had every right to talk back. It’s not like he was some third string QB that didn’t see the field. He played three quarters and was on fire before he got hurt. He had a great game.

    Some of you should stick to watching wrestling because you have no clue what it’s like to participate in any sport outside of a recreational league.

    A dirtbag. Get a grip on things…

  185. mel January 14th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Boston Dave,

    Who knows? He changes his mind as much as he changes his underwear. I think he’s trying to confuse everyone and hope that Santana will land in his lap. lol. Hank’s never going to change, that much’s for sure. It’ll be Hank being Hank.

    I don’t care already. More interested in what the young pitchers are going to bring to the table. Also interested to see if Alex can do an encore. And see what effect Girardi has on the team. What were we talking about again?

  186. mel January 14th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Boston Dave,

    Then, we better hope the one Stud CF prospect works out. :)

  187. Geo Diego January 14th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    I don’t see any reason for him to get traded mid season. He’d get the best deal possible if he waits until after the season. The twins know this and even if he hasn’t said it if the Twins start him in 08 it means they plan on those draft picks and nothing else. On the Cano note, it keeps looking more and more that the Yankees will sign a long term contract with him though I’m not sure they will offer a deal to Wang but now that Hank and Hal are there it might happen.

  188. mel January 14th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Joe,

    It wasn’t an isolated incident.

    Today Tomlinson chuckled when asked about it, just said that’s who Rivers is. Can’t change it because he’s a man and you can’t sit him down and correct it.

    But, he said that it saddens him that the public sees the Chargers as a trash talking team, because he’s not like that and they work hard to be a good team.

    I saw the interview live. LT didn’t want to slam Rivers, but you can tell he’s not cool with it.

  189. Jack Ransovy January 14th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    Austin Jackson and Jose Tabata are coming up options as CF’s though unless some outfielder gets injured this season I don’t see any of them coming up til July August.

  190. Joe Pepitone January 14th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Yeah but I was referring to Clay Bellinger’s post about him being a dirtbag because he was talking back to the fans. You’re not a “dirtbag” because you trash talk. You don’t have to be quiet just because a fan wants to verbally abuse you. What gives these fans the license to talk without expecting chatter in return?

    A “dirtbag” in my eyes are the people that talk trash from the stands in front of children by bringing players wives, race, sexuality, etc. But according to most of you, the players should just stay quiet and accept their role. Nonsense….

  191. Wotii Chang January 14th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Wang has what it takes to win 20+ games this year now that he has a new pitch which is predicted to be good. The Yanks will probably wait a year til they decide on signing him though. Cano will get a contract. Can’t wait til pitchers and catchers report.

  192. Boston Dave January 14th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Geo,

    what makes you think that signs are pointing to the Yanks signing Cano to a deal? I’d be interested in reading about that. The Yanks MO has typically been not to sign arbitration-eligible players to deals.

  193. Boston Dave January 14th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Joe,

    Rivers yelling at the fans isn’t that big of a deal. But what he did to Jay Cutler was a dirtbag move.

  194. mel January 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Joe,

    You have a point, but I’m sure that the owners, coaches, his teammates, and his parents prefer that he didn’t behave in such a manner. It’s not exactly role model behavior.

  195. Boston Dave January 14th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Jack,

    what makes you think Tabata is being brought up as a CF option? And what makes you think there is even a remote chance that he’d be called up in 2008? I’m just curious if you’ve read something I haven’t or know something new on this.

  196. mel January 14th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Boston Dave,

    Jay Cutler was kind of nutty, what did Rivers do to him?

  197. Geo Diego January 14th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Boston Dave, I read it somewhere can’t remember where though it was awhile back. The article said that now that Hal has taken over the financial part he’s deciding these things differently than it was until now (about signing arbitration eligible players to contracts). It also claimed there that Cano has a way better chance in landing a deal than Wang.

  198. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Joe,
    I agree with fans using vulgarity in front of kids is wrong. Or talking about a players race,family,etc. But Rivers is a quarterback and that is looked at differently than lets say linebacker/wide reciever. They are supposed to be classy. He has been playing for awhile now and should know to stay away from fans. For example he was running in to check out his knee and you saw him looking up every chance he got to jaw at the fans. Thats not including the jawing he does on the field. He is not the stereotypical quarterback. I guess thats what im trying to say.

  199. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Tabata’s chances of getting a late season call up are remote, but, I could see a September call up of Jackson, depending on how he plays in Trenton. If he does well in Trenton I could see a call up to Scranton by June. September in New York would be remote, but, still a possibilty. Tabata needs to fill out a little and make sure his wrist is healthy.

  200. Boston Dave January 14th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    mel,

    the video is on youtube (i believe) but he basically walked onto the field (when he had no business being on the field) and berated the guy. i only saw the video clip myself but it just seemed over the top. it would have been one thing if Merriman said something after a sack or if Cutler had been taunting the Chargers. In the end, its just trash talk but I dont see any other QB’s doing this to opposing QB’s. check youtube if you want to see for yourself.

  201. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Austin Jackson and Jose Tabata are coming up options as CF’s though unless some outfielder gets injured this season I don’t see any of them coming up til July August.

    Neither has played appreciably above A ball. The former is 20/21 and the latter is 19. Jackson could MAYBE be in the bigs some time in 09, and Tabata 10, if they both pan out.

    The stuff I was reading last year said that Tabata could handle CF thus far, though he would likely become a right fielder in the long run. He was playing in the corner last year to accommodate some teammate who didn’t have the bat for a corner spot. But, if he can play a tolerable CF for a few years and his bat comes around like they think it will, he’d be a huge asset in center for a couple seasons before his D causes him to shift to a corner. Of course, if Jackson is already here and starring in CF by the time Tabata is ready, he’ll be a corner guy.

    But this is all projection. We won’t see either of these guys for a couple years.

  202. Jack Ransovy January 14th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    It was in Newark Star Ledger awhile back about what options the Yankees could bring up if Cabrera is traded. It also said that there is a bigger chance that if Cabrera is traded that the Yankees will go for a FA for a year.

  203. Boston Dave January 14th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    Geo,

    that would be very nice. I hope they sign Wang as well. Wang seems like he would be amenable to signing a bargain-rate deal. He loves the Yanks and despite his few bad postseason starts, he doesnt seem phased by NY so he’s a good fit. Ace or not, when he’s on – there are few better.

  204. Boston Dave January 14th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Jack,

    I’d be extremely surprised to see Tabata before 2009 (and probably 2010). If AJax has a good start, he would seem to have a very good chance for a late season callup. I hope I’m wrong but I think AJax is being hyped a little too much too quickly. He went from being a raw talent to a sure-thing superstar over the course of a few months. We’ll see… it’s gonna be interesting regardless.

  205. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    “He went from being a raw talent to a sure-thing superstar over the course of a few months. ”

    Only on fan blogs :-)

  206. mel January 14th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Boston Dave,

    Thanks. That was definitely juvenile. Why were 2 QBs on the field at the same time? Oh. Wait. Rivers wasn’t supposed to be on the field. As the onfield leader of the team Rivers should have been telling his guys to shut up.

  207. Geo Diego January 14th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Boston Dave, I don’t want to start guessing how much Cano and Wang’s contract will be worth but I’d expect a 3-4 year deal on Wang ( they anyways have him there for the next 3 years) if they decide to sign him. Anywhere between 7-10 years for Cano.

  208. mel January 14th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Well, if we got Santana, he’d definitely make up for any deficiencies that a raw rookie CF would bring with his awesome-ness. Just kidding guys.

  209. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Well, if we got Santana, he’d definitely make up for any deficiencies that a raw rookie CF would bring with his awesome-ness. Just kidding guys.

    There are, basically, fans that think like this.

  210. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    “Anywhere between 7-10 years for Cano.”

    Cano’s agent won’t let him sign anything that long. He’d let the Yanks buy out one or two years of FA, not more.

  211. Jack Ransovy January 14th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    The article about someone getting called up as a 4th outfielder in 08 was about AJax. Tabata still has a while.

  212. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Speaking of Cabrera. I read today that Miguel Cabrera has lost alot of weight. We had this arguement months ago. Where i thought we should get Cabrera to play first base for Cano. Just want to know who wouldnt make a Cabrera for Cano deal, knowing what we know now about his loss of weight.

  213. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 14th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    mel, still the blog queen of comedy :-D

  214. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    Jackson was always a basketball player, like CJ Henry. Jackso has some great tools, and the power is coming. Maybe a shade below Bernie Williams type power, but, a really good arm and an outstanding outfielder. 30-40 steal type speed, and a smart base runner. He’s not all hype. He can be a little lazy, but, that because of his talent, so, he thinks things will just happen. He’ll outgrow that. He proved that moving at mid season from Charleston to Tampa.

  215. Jack Ransovy January 14th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    I wouldn’t do this Cabrera for Cano deal. Losing wait or gaining wait we don’t NEED miguel Cabrera.

  216. Geo Diego January 14th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    The Yankees would offer enough money to convince Cano’s agent to agree to the longer deal.

  217. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    I’d just as soon he my second baseman develope and hit like a corner infield than see a corner infield without a glove.

  218. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    “The Yankees would offer enough money to convince Cano’s agent to agree to the longer deal.”

    Doesn’t matter. Contracts continue to explode in value. Cano’s young and healthy and already an all-star. His agent WANTS him to hit the FA market when he’s about 27-28.

  219. Geo Diego January 14th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    If Cano signs a 8 year contract he’d be only 33 when its over young enough to sign another nice contract.

  220. S.o.S.27 January 14th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    GreenBeret7
    January 14th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
    I’d just as soon he my second baseman develope and hit like a corner infield than see a corner infield without a glove.

    I agree that Cano’s glove is much better. But your talking about one of the top 5 hitters in baseball and is actually on the same pace as Arod statistically. So unless Cano is going to be in the top 10 hitting players in all of baseball, id prefer to take his the weak fielding for his bat.

  221. Matt January 14th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    The Yankees can do with Cano and Wang a similar thing that the Rays did with Crawford and Baldelli, buy some of their free agency time by giving them lucrative enough 3-year deals.
    As it is, Cano and Wang will do very well financially through the arbitration process.

  222. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    “If Cano signs a 8 year contract he’d be only 33 when its over young enough to sign another nice contract.”

    If he was a reliever, maybe. That’s the end of his prime. Why would he sign a contract now that covers the entirety of his prime years?

  223. Geo Diego January 14th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Did it stop Jeter from signing a long contract? No. Why should it stop Cano. Anyways Cano said it himself today (yesterday) that he wants a long contract.

  224. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    I agree that Cano’s glove is much better. But your talking about one of the top 5 hitters in baseball and is actually on the same pace as Arod statistically. So unless Cano is going to be in the top 10 hitting players in all of baseball, id prefer to take his the weak fielding for his bat.

    If they both played the same position, sure. But, Cano + league avg 1B is probably better and cheaper than Miggy Cabrera + league average 2B.

  225. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    And easier to get, since the Yanks already have Cano.

  226. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    “Did it stop Jeter from signing a long contract?”

    jeter signed his big deal after five years of service time. He was in his last year of arbitration and he was turning 27. Cano’s still a couple years from being in that place. He wants a multi-year deal, sure. But that doesn’t mean he’ll sign a 10 year deal against good business sense.

  227. Geo Diego January 14th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    I don’t believe 33 is the end of Cano’s prime. A normal infielder’s prime ends at about 35-36.

  228. Geo Diego January 14th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    After that Cano can move to the outfield or something. I see him getting a 8 year deal now and at 33 another 6 year deal doesn’t sound bad for him at all.

  229. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    “I don’t believe 33 is the end of Cano’s prime. A normal infielder’s prime ends at about 35-36.”

    That’s just not true. Your prime are your peak years…most guys start the down slope at 33 or so. That doesn’t mean they aren’t still productive until 35-36, usually, but — generally — players begin to tail off around 33, 34. You usually start to talk about position changes around then as well, like we are with Jeter. Why would an agent want his player’s first contract to take him all the way to that age?

  230. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    “I see him getting a 8 year deal now and at 33 another 6 year deal doesn’t sound bad for him at all.”

    How many teams do you see signing 33 year olds to 6 year deals in order to change their positions?

    Much more likely would be a 3-4 year deal now, followed by an 8 year extension in he develops into the guy we hope he does.

  231. GreenBeret7 January 14th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Well Cano at the bottom third of the order knocked in 97 runs with no protection behind him a a couple of plow horses (runners) in front of him. In 2006, he hit .340 and dispite missing nearly 6 weeks, still knocked in 78 runs. I’d say he’s doing pretty well. He may not hit 40 homers, but a .320 average and 30 homers 115 RBIs and great defense at second is good enough for me.

  232. Old Ranger January 14th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    GB7
    Nice take on Mitch Hilligoss. I saw him play a few times, he is very good. But, as you and others noted, he has a little ways to go yet. Fill him out a bit etc. If he stays healthy he could become a much faster donny baseball type player.

    Whozat
    I’ve seen A-Jax/ Jose T play also (good thing about being ret). They are comers, but as stated above, they are most likely 09/10 yrs.

  233. hmmm January 14th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    “I’m a little late on this one but unless the Yankees know something that we dont (such as the Twins making it crystal clear that they wont trade Santana to an AL team), Hank’s comments seem indefensible to me. ”

    i’m 100% positive the Yankees know MANY things about this
    situation that we don’t know.

  234. whozat January 14th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    “I’ve seen A-Jax/ Jose T play also (good thing about being ret). They are comers, but as stated above, they are most likely 09/10 yrs.”

    Yep.

    I was kind of disappointed to read a scouting blurb about Gardner that said he was only average defensively. I figured his speed would be a boon to him, but apparently he gets bad reads on balls. That’s really too bad. If he was a defensive whiz with wheels that got on base at a .400 clip, that’d be a useful guy even if he doesn’t slug at all. But, it looks like he’s a defensively average slap hitter with wheels and decent plate discipline. That’s a 4th ofer, really.

  235. Doreen January 14th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Well Cano at the bottom third of the order knocked in 97 runs with no protection behind him a a couple of plow horses (runners) in front of him.

    Not to mention he got off to really slow start!

    I love Robbie Cano.

  236. The People Speaker February 24th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    I love Bernie williams with a burning passion of a million sunns!!!


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