Arbitration figures for the unsigned Yankees
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- January
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Here are the arbitration figures that were submitted today:
Brian Bruney submitted $845,000, the Yankees submittted $640,000.
Robinson Cano submitted $4.55 million, the Yankees submitted $3.2 million.
Chien-Ming Wang submitted $4.6 million, the Yankees submitted $4 million.
It seems like the Yankees lowballed Cano a little bit. Maybe it will take a hearing to come to some conclusion. Obviously a deal with Wang should come pretty easily since they’re only $600,000 apart.
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Peter Abraham
give wang 5 mil… that’s half of pavano’s salary and wang is 1000000000x better.
We give idiots like Pavano, Giambi, Mussina tens of millions of dollars and we low ball Cano. Interesting.
NJ: The Yankees don’t want to spend money they don’t have to. I’m sure they want to keep Cano and understand his value. They probably just didn’t want to submit too high. that’s understandable
Cano and Wang are bargains
If Cano goes to arbitration, my guess is his numbers will win. What do I base that on? Nothing!
Jaewon, I know that but there is no need to disrespect him like that. I have no doubt Cano will get a pretty good deal, but still.
They definitely low balled Cano.
It has nothing to do with disrespect…it is a negotiation, nothing more.
Wang and the Yankees should settle in the middle.
why keep Bruney i think he should be traded or DFA’d we have so much pitching talent in the minors
Neither Cano or Wang were low-balled. They will both be given the higher figure should it go as far as an arbitrator’s decision or if George Mitchell is the arbitrator and resulting in both players pi$$ed off by the ruling.
This of course won’t be the case. Cano and Wang will be given nice raises for their contributions before hearings ever happen and will report to spring training financially happy.
The Yanks offers were fair. Bruney I walk the ballpark will never win his case. They gave Betemit alittle too much. Cano should get about $3.5m. Wang at around $4.5m is what he will and should get. Wang deserves a 3 year deal and save some money now, but we know the Yanks never look to save money. But Cano I would make him earn it alittle bit more I wouldn’t trust him getting the money upfront. He still has to show he will pay more attention and earn the money instead of just giving it right to him and then who knows if he will slack off alittle bit.
The whole idea that the Yankees are disrespecting and lowballing Wang and Cano are ridiculous. Of course they are a bargain, that’s why it’s good to have talented young players. They’ll get their payday when they become free agents.
That’s how the system works. Players are bargains early in their careers and are overpaid late in their careers.
Robbie’s peers: Second Basemen salaries:
Chase Utley - $7.5 M in 2008
Brian Roberts $6.3 M in 2008
Orlando Hudson $3.9 in 2007
$4.5 to $5.0 Million sounds about right at this stage of his career.
Pete the SuperBlogger! How many posts is that today? I can see where people might think they insulted Cano with a lowball offer, but it’s not personal, they do it to everybody (and he’ll get over it). These are special kids, like Derek. They know what they have, they’ll put in the time, and their big payday will come in due time.
They should be able to come to an agreement on Wang, but they definitely low-balled Robbie.
Those 2nd baseman have also been playing longer then he has. They put there time in, produced and got payed. Cano will get his pay day. You prove yourself over a couple of years and then get the money. Even Ryan Howard, roy, mvp, in his first year put up huge numbers and he still has to wait for his day. The whole point of these young players is too try and have these players be as cheap for as long as possible.
Why wouldnt they offer Cano and Wang multi year deals? One of the reasons the Yanks spend so much on payroll is because they do a very poor job of tying up their young talent to reasonable contracts. Rather than take a chance on someone from their farm system that they are familiar with, they wait until the player’s value goes up and then negotiate.
Cano and Wang love being a Yankees. Why not take advantage of their loyalty and happiness? It’s a win - win.
It’s not just farmhands that they do a poor job with.If the Yanks had been in Boston’s shoes, they would have waited Ortiz out rather than sign him to a longer term,more reasonably priced deal. They would have waited till they the last minute and paid a higher price. They would have saved a bundle on Posada if they offered him an extension 2 years ago. I don’t think they will learn their lesson anytime soon.
Drive 4-5 - I agree. Why not offer Cano and Wang multi-year deals into their first years of free agency like the Mets did with Wright and Reyes. I think this is the one time that the Yanks should follow the Mets.
Both Wang and Cano are kind of low but the players really hold no leverage here. Their fate lays with the panel. With some BIG contracts coming to an end this year, perhaps the Yankees want to hold some of the money until next season. How many years can they keep going over the $200 million threshold? I would hope the 2009 Yankees are somewhere around $175 million once they dump the $20 million on Giambi, $11 million for Mussina, $16 million on Pettite, $10 million on Pavano, etc…..
You know what, once Cano and Wang make it to free agency they’re going to rake. I wouldn’t be too concerned with what the figures are now.
Peter, you wrote a book about Wang. Will you get a bonus gift from Wang? I hope so.lol
Look, the main benefit of growing your own is to save money. As stated above, both Cano and Wang will do very well over their careers if they stay healthy.
Dry thoise tears and put things in perspective. Making $3.5m/yr in their 4th year of MLB for kids that barely speak english isn’t a terrible fate.
I know athletes are ’special’, but I consider $3.5m fairly special. I’ll guess they will both make over $50m over their careers.
Just spreading the word:
http://www.trentonthunder.com/release/zRelease.asp?pYYYYMMDD=200801172#200801172
K-Rod asked for 12.5 million!! Geez.
Funny note on the Wang differnce. haha And I totally agree.
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/01/18/k-rod-seeks-125-million/
say what you want about the Pavano deal but at the time it was a good signing by the Yankees. Every team in the league wanted him. It turned out to be a complete disaster but hindsight is 20/20.
RangerRob is correct in his observation about Pavano. I’m a Sox fan and at the time I was really hoping the Sox would sign him. Of course it has turned horrible, but I don’t think anyone was predicting that back when he was signed.
“Robbie’s peers: Second Basemen salaries:
Chase Utley - $7.5 M in 2008
Brian Roberts $6.3 M in 2008
Orlando Hudson $3.9 in 2007″
Utley made $4.7M in his first year of arbitration.
Hudson made $2.3M in his first year of arbitration.
Roberts made $3.1M in his first year of arbitration.
the Yankees offer was exactly right, in between Roberts and Utley, because that’s where he ranks as a player.
no one was low-balled.
Hmmm; The Yankees submitted $3.2 million for Cano. That’s a low offer. Utley never went to arbitration, he was signed to a long-term contract that included a $2 million bonus. Brian Roberts was offered $2.4 million the first time he was eligible for arbitration back in 2006. Cano is a better player than Roberts and it’s two years later.
The Yankees didn’t insult Cano but the offer was a little low. You telling me that Cano is only $800,000 better than Roberts? With two years of salary inflation to boot? Sorrry, I don’t buy that.
i thought Utley got his long term deal in the middle of last season, but you are right, it was last January.
Cano IS a better player than Roberts NOW, but you have to remember that in 2006, Roberts was coming off a FANTASTIC season in 2005. better than any season Cano has had so far.
so, i think comparing Roberts in 2006 is valid. and the Yankees’ offer was not out of line with that.
it’s just a first offer, Cano will get somewhere in the middle.
“Brian Roberts was offered $2.4 million the first time he was eligible for arbitration back in 2006. Cano is a better player than Roberts and it’s two years later.”
In 2006 Brian Roberts also had been in the league at least part time since 2001. I would think that would make a difference in how much he was offered, no?
Orel Hershiser came out of his arbitration hearing in tears, according to Dibs and Kevin today (I’ve heard them say it before).The point being a player will hear horrible things about himself from his loved ones.
and Pete, you are probably right that the offer is on the lower side of the range of acceptable offers.
but that is not the same as “low balling”, which is the phrase i was objecting to.
the Yankees didn’t “low ball” Cano, b/c that’s not how the process works. the arbiter doesn’t take the Yankees number and Cano’s number and comes up with a compromise. the arbiter chooses one or the other.
so it is actually NOT to the Yankees’ benefit to submit an offer that is a “low ball” offer, b/c they will surely LOSE the arbitration case.
you can’t really “low ball” someone during arbitration, or you are just asking to pay the higher number.
what the Yankees probably did was look at Roberts’ (he is really the best comp since Utley didn’t go to arbitration) 1st year arbitration number and went from there.
“Orel Hershiser came out of his arbitration hearing in tears”
hahahahaha
I can’t imagine Cano going to an arbitration hearing.
http://www.burlysports.com:80/video/20298
Saw this on myspace, section 39 had it up.
Good Evening
Jennifer
Thanks for that link…..very interesting stuff!
And the legend of Carl Pavano marches on ….
No problem, pass it along.
Jennifer: That was an interesting watching, indeed.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-500931.html
“Jeter, Yankees Close on 7-Year, $118 Million Contract
From: The Washington Post Date: January 19, 2000
Derek Jeter is on the verge of becoming baseball’s richest player.
After helping lead the New York Yankees to three World Series titles in four years, the all-star shortstop is near agreement on a record contract worth about $118 million for seven years.
Jeter submitted a $10.5 million figure for 2000 in salary arbitration yesterday, a record amount for a player, and the Yankees put in $9.5 million, the most ever offered by a team. Neither side expects the matter to go to a hearing.
Yankees General Manager Brian Cashman and Jeter’s agent, Casey Close, declined to comment.”
remember, Cashman WANTED to lock up Jeter before his free agency. then GEORGE nixed this deal that Cashman already negotiated.
i guess we’ll see in the next 1-2 years if Hank/Hal change the Yankees policy.
i bet they lock up Cano in the next year.
Arbitration is brutal on young players. You go into a room and listen to the team tell you why you’re not worth the money. Every fault you have, every mistake you’ve made gets laid out on the line.
Wang and Cano have 4 years to go before free agency.
Why don’t players just skip the hearings and just get the decision? And who are these arbiters? They have to be baseball guys, right?
“Why don’t players just skip the hearings and just get the decision?”
The players have to be there a) to tell their counsel when the team witness is wrong or off the mark, and b) to make sure the team sweats saying such harsh things about the player they allegedly want to retain. (Imagine what they would say if the player wasn’t present). But in the end most players realize it’s just business, nothing personal.
“And who are these arbiters? They have to be baseball guys, right?”
I believe they are picked from a panel approved by MLBPA and MLB, no?
Either the offer to Cano was right or Wang’s request was low. Am I wrong to think that a SP and a 2B would have comparable salaries?
Joe, these guy are professional mediators and a lot of have no background in baseball. One of the first was Peter Seitz, who declared Andy Messersmith and Dave McNally to be free agents, ending the reserve clause in baseball. More and more, though have been involved in baseball arby cases.
Mel, when you consider that neither player has 3 full years in the major leagues, they’re both getting paid what most 2 and 3 year players get.
Green,
No I meant that in general does a front end starting pitcher make the same salary as a second baseman?
Brian Bruney is gonna make at least $640,000?
Does that make anyone else here just look at their paycheck and cry?
Life ain’t fair. LOL
Bob: At least you get a paycheck
Rebecca,
Did you see the thread with ideas for a blog pool?
Mel, in this case, yes. You’ve got probably the #2 rated 2nd baseman in baseball and a top 10-15 starter, both with the same time in service. As far as middle infielders, obviously Rodriguez and Jeter were the exceptions to the rule, not normally they are lower paid. I’d say less than a top of the line starter. They are two of the best in the business and NY has both of them…lucky for Yankee fans. I’d guess under normal circumstances the starters would earn more than the second baseman. Roberts and Bedard would be similar cases. Both highly rated and about the same amount of time. Bedard, I believe makes more than Roberts.
Did I confuse you as much as I did me?
mel:
Must have missed it, I’ve been out most of the day.
It would be in the best interest of the Yanks and Cano to come to an agreement before the hearing. Otherwise Cano is probably going to have to hear that the Yanks think he is lazy and falls asleep during the game. Unless the Yanks have no other argument to win their case.
Rebecca,
It started out with some crazy predictions for the regular season record in ‘08.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/01/18/pinch-hitting-our-own-sj44/#comment-245446
Point is we might need a nice blogger (like yourself) to host the pool.
thanks murphydog and green beret. You’d think they’d need some baseball guys to pick the most appropriate offer.
mel–I won’t host anything where the prize is money. I’ve got tons of work this semester, but I’ll think about it.
Tell you what, let me know if you get a lot of interest (say at least 25 or so) and I’ll give it a go =)
Everyone whining about not signing young players to long term deals are the same people who would complain when a young player suffers a terrible injury or stops maturing as a player and the Yanks are stuck with an albatross contract. Like the complaints about not extending Mo and Posada during spring training last year, these comments reflect hindsight bias.
Cano is one of the most valuable players in baseball. A multi-year deal should definitely be explored. Wang, I’m not so sure about. Pitchers are always inherently more risky, but if his asking price isn’t too high, it might be worth it.
Just wanna drop a note to everyone who leaves comments here. This blog including all the comments has become a daily quotation on Taiwan’s newspaper for Wang!
Completely off the topic here, but I posted this on the page abour Jorge’s chairty bowling event, which is now on a prior page so not sure if anyone would see it.
Jorge has some more pics on his website. A couple of Joba are on there!!
I think it’s great to see someone so young in their career giving back to so many charity causes. He’s been a busy boy this offseason.
http://www.jorgeposada.com/html/familyday08/fd08_gallery.html
Thanks for posting a link! The guys all look fitter and trimmer!! And their children are just adorable!! And their daughter has some head of hair!!
Great Pics!!! Thanks for posting the link.
We are getting closer……….
what a world we live in where we put an “only” in front of 600K