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	<title>Comments on: Dollars and sense on the Santana deal</title>
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		<title>By: McLovin</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/01/19/dollars-and-sense-on-the-santana-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-245874</link>
		<dc:creator>McLovin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why Santana is worth $25 million. Brett Tomko is getting $3 million after having a 5.55 Era in the NL and after seeing it in the rotoworld website he has not had one good year in the last 10 years.But Santana isn&#039;t worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why Santana is worth $25 million. Brett Tomko is getting $3 million after having a 5.55 Era in the NL and after seeing it in the rotoworld website he has not had one good year in the last 10 years.But Santana isn&#8217;t worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hughes has a slider.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JW,

I have to disagree on a couple of points. First, I think Hughes CAN be a dominant starter, but he needs to develop a third pitch (that became evident through last year). His curve is tremendous, but his fastball isn&#039;t good enough to truly scare hitters. It seemed at times that they were just sitting back and waiting for the big, looping curve because they knew they could foul off (catch up) to his fastball. If you add in a change to that mix, something that looks like a fastball coming out of his hands, but ends up 10 MPH lower, that will make every one of his other pitches significantly better. But that is the point. I think he NEEDS that third good pitch, that good changeup, to live up to expectations. 
As far as him being worth it even if he isn&#039;t a top line starter, I have to completely disagree. First, the Yanks are not just hesitating on this deal because of the money, and as a fan, I don&#039;t care about the money. The column even admitted that Santana would MAKE the Yanks money. So, are we as fans now worried about HOW MUCH they make as a team? I&#039;m not. As long as contracts don&#039;t effect the team&#039;s ability to compete and to sign needed free agents, I don&#039;t care if they make a little less with Santana than they would with Hughes and his non-existent contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JW,</p>
<p>I have to disagree on a couple of points. First, I think Hughes CAN be a dominant starter, but he needs to develop a third pitch (that became evident through last year). His curve is tremendous, but his fastball isn&#8217;t good enough to truly scare hitters. It seemed at times that they were just sitting back and waiting for the big, looping curve because they knew they could foul off (catch up) to his fastball. If you add in a change to that mix, something that looks like a fastball coming out of his hands, but ends up 10 MPH lower, that will make every one of his other pitches significantly better. But that is the point. I think he NEEDS that third good pitch, that good changeup, to live up to expectations.<br />
As far as him being worth it even if he isn&#8217;t a top line starter, I have to completely disagree. First, the Yanks are not just hesitating on this deal because of the money, and as a fan, I don&#8217;t care about the money. The column even admitted that Santana would MAKE the Yanks money. So, are we as fans now worried about HOW MUCH they make as a team? I&#8217;m not. As long as contracts don&#8217;t effect the team&#8217;s ability to compete and to sign needed free agents, I don&#8217;t care if they make a little less with Santana than they would with Hughes and his non-existent contract.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Yanks Fan,

I agree. There is no doubt in my mind that the Yanks, especially Cashman, believe Hughes is going to be number one starter quality. As a Yankee fan, I would like nothing more than that. If you told me right now I could sign on for one of two scenarios, either a.) Hughes stays and becomes a big pitchers or b.) Santana comes and remains a dominant pitcher throughout his career, I would choose A irregardless of the money involved because I would always rather see young, homegrown kids succeed. But the problem I had with the column was that he was talking about Hughes values as an average pitcher as opposed to Santana&#039;s value as a top end pitcher. My point was that, IF Hughes ends up being just average, it effects the rotation in a negative way, just as Santana being that ACE quality starter would effect the rotation in a positive way, which would means something in terms of dollar figures. I was commenting off of his premise. If Hughes is great, everything is wonderful. If Hughes is average or below average, as you stayed, the Yanks messed up (which I completely agree with), and that would seem to be in conflict with what he was saying.
Personally, as long as Santana doesn&#039;t end up on the Sox I am okay with not getting him and staying the course with Hughes. If the Sox get him, boy, it really puts the Yanks in a hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Yanks Fan,</p>
<p>I agree. There is no doubt in my mind that the Yanks, especially Cashman, believe Hughes is going to be number one starter quality. As a Yankee fan, I would like nothing more than that. If you told me right now I could sign on for one of two scenarios, either a.) Hughes stays and becomes a big pitchers or b.) Santana comes and remains a dominant pitcher throughout his career, I would choose A irregardless of the money involved because I would always rather see young, homegrown kids succeed. But the problem I had with the column was that he was talking about Hughes values as an average pitcher as opposed to Santana&#8217;s value as a top end pitcher. My point was that, IF Hughes ends up being just average, it effects the rotation in a negative way, just as Santana being that ACE quality starter would effect the rotation in a positive way, which would means something in terms of dollar figures. I was commenting off of his premise. If Hughes is great, everything is wonderful. If Hughes is average or below average, as you stayed, the Yanks messed up (which I completely agree with), and that would seem to be in conflict with what he was saying.<br />
Personally, as long as Santana doesn&#8217;t end up on the Sox I am okay with not getting him and staying the course with Hughes. If the Sox get him, boy, it really puts the Yanks in a hole.</p>
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		<title>By: Typo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Typo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Let&#039;s look at the financial implications to the Yankees of making Santana their staff ace, by breaking it down into two separate analyses â€“ the free-agent value of Santana and the financial value of the Yankees players who reportedly would go to the Twins â€“ promising starting pitcher Phil Hughes, center fielder Miguel Cabrera, and one or two minor leaguers.&quot;

Haha who proof-read his article?  Miguel Cabrera? C&#039;monnnnnn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s look at the financial implications to the Yankees of making Santana their staff ace, by breaking it down into two separate analyses â€“ the free-agent value of Santana and the financial value of the Yankees players who reportedly would go to the Twins â€“ promising starting pitcher Phil Hughes, center fielder Miguel Cabrera, and one or two minor leaguers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Haha who proof-read his article?  Miguel Cabrera? C&#8217;monnnnnn!</p>
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		<title>By: Say it ain't so</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say it ain't so</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clare- I agree about your Davidoff comments. I was only saying that if Roger and Andy aren&#039;t/weren&#039;t ever so close, it shouldn&#039;t come as much of a surprise.

It doesn&#039;t really matter in the scheme of things whether they&#039;re bff&#039;s or if secretly they despise each other, and I do agree that this is going to end up being some kind of ploy to pull the &quot;I don&#039;t know if he did steroids because we weren&#039;t that close anyhow&quot; card.

I guess we&#039;ll find out next month for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clare- I agree about your Davidoff comments. I was only saying that if Roger and Andy aren&#8217;t/weren&#8217;t ever so close, it shouldn&#8217;t come as much of a surprise.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t really matter in the scheme of things whether they&#8217;re bff&#8217;s or if secretly they despise each other, and I do agree that this is going to end up being some kind of ploy to pull the &#8220;I don&#8217;t know if he did steroids because we weren&#8217;t that close anyhow&#8221; card.</p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;ll find out next month for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Clare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say it ain&#039;t so,

It would be completely understandable if Andy was tired of being in Roger&#039;s shadow.  And I also heard that Andy enjoyed being one of, if not the, senior leader of the pitching staff before Roger came back.  But Davidoff wasn&#039;t saying that they were no longer as close as they used to be, he was saying they were never very close -- it was all a media creation.

I wasn&#039;t saying that I didn&#039;t believe that - I&#039;ve certainly commented often enough about media fabrications.  I just thought the tone of Davidoff&#039;s article was a little too credulous, and that he neglected to ask some obvious questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say it ain&#8217;t so,</p>
<p>It would be completely understandable if Andy was tired of being in Roger&#8217;s shadow.  And I also heard that Andy enjoyed being one of, if not the, senior leader of the pitching staff before Roger came back.  But Davidoff wasn&#8217;t saying that they were no longer as close as they used to be, he was saying they were never very close &#8212; it was all a media creation.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t saying that I didn&#8217;t believe that &#8211; I&#8217;ve certainly commented often enough about media fabrications.  I just thought the tone of Davidoff&#8217;s article was a little too credulous, and that he neglected to ask some obvious questions.</p>
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		<title>By: susan mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After Pettitte was kicked off the Yankees, I hoped every minute that Clemens would follow him. Steinbrenner and Cashman needed to be shown how badly they treated Andy. It was a logical move for Clemens in every way, and a great one for a teammate who was on any kind of friendly terms with Andy and who had half an idea of how he deserved to be supported. Clemens of course always got the media&#039;s and Steinbrenner&#039;s attention, which was all I was hoping for in the whole fiasco.
It&#039;s not a glaring hole in their story except for those who don&#039;t know the whole story and choose to selectively focus on negativity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After Pettitte was kicked off the Yankees, I hoped every minute that Clemens would follow him. Steinbrenner and Cashman needed to be shown how badly they treated Andy. It was a logical move for Clemens in every way, and a great one for a teammate who was on any kind of friendly terms with Andy and who had half an idea of how he deserved to be supported. Clemens of course always got the media&#8217;s and Steinbrenner&#8217;s attention, which was all I was hoping for in the whole fiasco.<br />
It&#8217;s not a glaring hole in their story except for those who don&#8217;t know the whole story and choose to selectively focus on negativity.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy Biancalana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddy Biancalana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen OYF!!! I really look forward to seeing what Girardi will do day in, day out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen OYF!!! I really look forward to seeing what Girardi will do day in, day out.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Yanks Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Yanks Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddy Biancalana - agreed. People forget we played .650 ball the 2nd half last year, and the 2008 SP should be better. Phil won&#039;t be injured (hopefully) and Joba and IPK and a little experience, and get to start the year fresh, as opposed to be being thrown in the middle of a pennant race.

I think we&#039;re good for 95 wins. A lot will depend on the offense. We can expect less from ARod and Posada, but we should get more from Giambi, Melky, JD and Matsui.
I think that ARod and the entire team will be more relaxed and having some fun. It could be a gtreat year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy Biancalana &#8211; agreed. People forget we played .650 ball the 2nd half last year, and the 2008 SP should be better. Phil won&#8217;t be injured (hopefully) and Joba and IPK and a little experience, and get to start the year fresh, as opposed to be being thrown in the middle of a pennant race.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re good for 95 wins. A lot will depend on the offense. We can expect less from ARod and Posada, but we should get more from Giambi, Melky, JD and Matsui.<br />
I think that ARod and the entire team will be more relaxed and having some fun. It could be a gtreat year.</p>
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