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		<title>By: MAN</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/01/30/pinch-hitting-depressed-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-1244045</link>
		<dc:creator>MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 06:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With thanks..  Still an additional great picture, it is why I come to the web-site habitually!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With thanks..  Still an additional great picture, it is why I come to the web-site habitually!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/01/30/pinch-hitting-depressed-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-249890</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shepherd wrote: &quot;We could have Wang, Hughes, Joba, IPK, and for the next 10-15 years!!
Also, after the aging Abreu, Damon, Matsui leave in 2-3 years, LF Tabata CF AJax and RF Cabrera will dominate!&quot;

Of course all those guys will work out perfectly. No problems there. Oh, Yankees prospect fans.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shepherd wrote: &#8220;We could have Wang, Hughes, Joba, IPK, and for the next 10-15 years!!<br />
Also, after the aging Abreu, Damon, Matsui leave in 2-3 years, LF Tabata CF AJax and RF Cabrera will dominate!&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course all those guys will work out perfectly. No problems there. Oh, Yankees prospect fans&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/01/30/pinch-hitting-depressed-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-249885</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Joe Torre wrote this Blog. Melky&#039;s got a &quot;belly full of guts&quot; and &quot;heart.&quot; Stats are your friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Joe Torre wrote this Blog. Melky&#8217;s got a &#8220;belly full of guts&#8221; and &#8220;heart.&#8221; Stats are your friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/01/30/pinch-hitting-depressed-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-249574</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously he wasn&#039;t solely responsible, but he was a big part of it. He was a big part of the team&#039;s success the year before also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously he wasn&#8217;t solely responsible, but he was a big part of it. He was a big part of the team&#8217;s success the year before also.</p>
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		<title>By: winfield killed my seagull</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/01/30/pinch-hitting-depressed-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-249567</link>
		<dc:creator>winfield killed my seagull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i do like melky but i ain&#039;t drinking the koolaid that he was responsible for the turnaround. how about the fact that Wang got healthy? hence, the rest of the pitching fell into place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do like melky but i ain&#8217;t drinking the koolaid that he was responsible for the turnaround. how about the fact that Wang got healthy? hence, the rest of the pitching fell into place.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fallen Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fallen Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And when I say the sheer volume of information a team has on its own players, I do think that includes a great deal of unique information that other teams may not be privy to--for example, how that player responds to coaching, how that player goes about his day-to-day business outside of the stadium, how hard that player works or is willing to work, the sorts of intangibles that *do* matter but are so difficult to hit on, especially evaluating from a distance.

That&#039;s not to say this information is completely inaccessible to anyone but those who are in a particular organization, but I think there&#039;s a really good reason that, when an executive formerly affiliated with one team moves to another (especially those cases where he&#039;ll take on GM responsibilities for another team), you will frequently hear of (or even see) that executive trying to deal with players who he was most familiar with in his previous organization.  I really think that it&#039;s a partly, if not entirely, a result of this privileged information he was previously privy to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when I say the sheer volume of information a team has on its own players, I do think that includes a great deal of unique information that other teams may not be privy to&#8211;for example, how that player responds to coaching, how that player goes about his day-to-day business outside of the stadium, how hard that player works or is willing to work, the sorts of intangibles that *do* matter but are so difficult to hit on, especially evaluating from a distance.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say this information is completely inaccessible to anyone but those who are in a particular organization, but I think there&#8217;s a really good reason that, when an executive formerly affiliated with one team moves to another (especially those cases where he&#8217;ll take on GM responsibilities for another team), you will frequently hear of (or even see) that executive trying to deal with players who he was most familiar with in his previous organization.  I really think that it&#8217;s a partly, if not entirely, a result of this privileged information he was previously privy to.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fallen Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fallen Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t really know what the Twins did--we don&#039;t really know if they actually reduced their demands to Kennedy, Melky, and a top prospect (whoever that is/could be...for all we know, it&#039;s a prospect the Yankees are really, really high on who was never previously on the table).  We don&#039;t know whether Hal Steinbrenner chose to step in and say, &quot;We&#039;re drawing the budget line here; no matter who the Twins want for him, we&#039;re not trading for Santana.&quot;

I, personally, will concede that--if I&#039;m in Cashman&#039;s position--based on all of the information that I myself have, if Smith calls me and offers Santana for Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera, and either Jairo Heredia, Dellin Betances, or Jesus Montero, I might have a very difficult time turning down that deal.  Sure, you&#039;d be giving a young, high-upside player in any of the three I mentioned, but I think that the Yankees system is deep enough to withstand such a blow.

But that&#039;s just it: we all have very limited information, even in this day-and-age.  As much as we think we know about prospects from websites like BA, BP, and writers like Keith Law, we still lack the resources (particularly in terms of scouting, and a team&#039;s own internal evaluation of their developmental and coaching staff) to make true, sure-fire evaluations of all the players involved.  Say what you want about &quot;objective&quot; analysis, but I firmly believe that no one knows their players more than the team they belong to, and while there might be a tendency to overrate or overvalue a team&#039;s own assets, I still think that tendency is overcome by the sheer volume of information a team has on its players.

This isn&#039;t to say that a team cannot be wrong or evaluate its assets poorly; a cursory look at MLB history (or even Johan Santana himself) will show that teams can, and have, missed big-time on their own talents.  But I definitely think that MLB teams are certainly in a *much* better position than you, I, or even someone like Keith Law--despite his resources--to evaluate the moving pieces in a deal like this.

But that&#039;s just my two or three cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t really know what the Twins did&#8211;we don&#8217;t really know if they actually reduced their demands to Kennedy, Melky, and a top prospect (whoever that is/could be&#8230;for all we know, it&#8217;s a prospect the Yankees are really, really high on who was never previously on the table).  We don&#8217;t know whether Hal Steinbrenner chose to step in and say, &#8220;We&#8217;re drawing the budget line here; no matter who the Twins want for him, we&#8217;re not trading for Santana.&#8221;</p>
<p>I, personally, will concede that&#8211;if I&#8217;m in Cashman&#8217;s position&#8211;based on all of the information that I myself have, if Smith calls me and offers Santana for Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera, and either Jairo Heredia, Dellin Betances, or Jesus Montero, I might have a very difficult time turning down that deal.  Sure, you&#8217;d be giving a young, high-upside player in any of the three I mentioned, but I think that the Yankees system is deep enough to withstand such a blow.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just it: we all have very limited information, even in this day-and-age.  As much as we think we know about prospects from websites like BA, BP, and writers like Keith Law, we still lack the resources (particularly in terms of scouting, and a team&#8217;s own internal evaluation of their developmental and coaching staff) to make true, sure-fire evaluations of all the players involved.  Say what you want about &#8220;objective&#8221; analysis, but I firmly believe that no one knows their players more than the team they belong to, and while there might be a tendency to overrate or overvalue a team&#8217;s own assets, I still think that tendency is overcome by the sheer volume of information a team has on its players.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say that a team cannot be wrong or evaluate its assets poorly; a cursory look at MLB history (or even Johan Santana himself) will show that teams can, and have, missed big-time on their own talents.  But I definitely think that MLB teams are certainly in a *much* better position than you, I, or even someone like Keith Law&#8211;despite his resources&#8211;to evaluate the moving pieces in a deal like this.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just my two or three cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Faded Glory,

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a problem of &quot;over&quot; valuing our own prospects, I think it&#039;s a case of us actually valuing them properly. Any other team in the league with a 23 year-old center fielder who was providing average offense at the position and above average defense wouldn&#039;t even think about trading him when they have him under contract for years to come at an extremely favorable rate. Even leaving the intangibles out of this conversation, trading him makes no sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Faded Glory,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a problem of &#8220;over&#8221; valuing our own prospects, I think it&#8217;s a case of us actually valuing them properly. Any other team in the league with a 23 year-old center fielder who was providing average offense at the position and above average defense wouldn&#8217;t even think about trading him when they have him under contract for years to come at an extremely favorable rate. Even leaving the intangibles out of this conversation, trading him makes no sense.</p>
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		<title>By: randy l.</title>
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		<dc:creator>randy l.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oldyanksfans

&quot; Melky was to be the every-day center fielder until further notice. On that day, the Yankee record was 22-19, a .431 winning percentage. From that point on the Yankees played to a .649 winning percentage (72-39)&quot;

i was referring to the above statement about melky by brian. melky may have been a factor in the increased winning percentage. it seems like  &quot;Correlation does not equal causation.&quot; is used to imply that melky was not a factor.  i think the opposite is also true that&quot; correlation does not equal no causation&quot; and that melky may have easily been a cause in the improved winning percentage.

ok, after giving myself a headache from too much logic,i&#039;ll move on. just wanted to get that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oldyanksfans</p>
<p>&#8221; Melky was to be the every-day center fielder until further notice. On that day, the Yankee record was 22-19, a .431 winning percentage. From that point on the Yankees played to a .649 winning percentage (72-39)&#8221;</p>
<p>i was referring to the above statement about melky by brian. melky may have been a factor in the increased winning percentage. it seems like  &#8220;Correlation does not equal causation.&#8221; is used to imply that melky was not a factor.  i think the opposite is also true that&#8221; correlation does not equal no causation&#8221; and that melky may have easily been a cause in the improved winning percentage.</p>
<p>ok, after giving myself a headache from too much logic,i&#8217;ll move on. just wanted to get that out.</p>
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		<title>By: iYankees</title>
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		<dc:creator>iYankees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t read all the comments, but i have to say that the Depressed Fan blog is one of the funniest i&#039;ve ever read. great stuff over there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t read all the comments, but i have to say that the Depressed Fan blog is one of the funniest i&#8217;ve ever read. great stuff over there.</p>
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