Comments on: Another take on innings limits

By: edgar

edgar — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:13:43 +0000

don’t you read your own blog? will carroll of baseball prospectus wrote here that, for reasons unknown, minor league innings don’t factor into the 30-inning rule. this was two weeks ago, and you said you were honored.

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....oll-of-bp/

By: Matt

Matt — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:15:50 +0000

Since Kennedy only throws usually in the lower 90s he should be able to get in 190-195 innings.

By: Old Ranger

Old Ranger — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:22:19 +0000

Kei will be better out of the bull pen than a stater. It showed last year, he gets tiered and the pitches come up…and out!
Moose will have a better year, why you ask? Many reasons;
1-He will be in better shape this year.
2-He will throw inside, which he never ever did before, but did do in two of his last games.
3-He will only have to pitch well enough to keep us in the game…3/4 runs.
4-He knows he is not counted on to be the macho guy…also, fighting for another contract.
Also, I think some people are forgetting that the big 3 pitched in the bigs last year…a couple were big games too. So, I don’t know why people think they need to get their feet wet, before they have success.
Don’t forget folks, this team will score a lot of runs, so the pitchers can be a little bit off and still win…if the other team doesn’t score a lot also! 27/08

By: SFYanksFan

SFYanksFan — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:07:50 +0000

(granted I’m using surface level facts to argue the positive, ha.)

By: SFYanksFan

SFYanksFan — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:04:05 +0000

I agree with the idea that creative use of Joba, Phil and IPK is the key.

Look at the 2003 Marlins rotation, they had three youngsters that were relatively on par with innings limits the Yanks are looking to apply.

http://www.baseball-reference......2003.shtml

Brad Penny – 196
D-Train – 160
Beckett – 142

In fact, our good friend Carl Pavano was the only pitcher on their entire staff to throw over 200 innings (201 at that.

Even if you agree with what Verducci recommends, that’s right on par with IPK at 196, Hughes at 176, and Joba at 149. With Wang and Pettitte at or around 200 each, it seems pretty feasible to have success with the young pitchers. Throw in Moose, and it really does.

Also, I’m not sure I buy into the minor league innings v. major league innings idea. Sure, at face value it’s easy to say that the pressure is greater and that pitchers will try and throw harder as result, thus making the innings pitched more stressful. Minor league innings pitched are instructional (i.e. developing a rhythm, refining pitches, increasing work load, learning to make adjustments, etc.). To me, the key to the transition is the mental and mechanical make up, and that is specific to the pitcher.

It seems like it’s just easier to point to surface level facts and point out why they’ll be a problem without painting the whole picture. Drama sells I guess…

By: Dink McFadden

Dink McFadden — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:46:21 +0000

I find it interesting. What are the yankees gonna do if these guys are near their innings caps come the post season? If they’re advancing in the playoffs w/ these kids they’re gonna go over their innings caps, not much the yanks could do about it.

By: michael

michael — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:26:39 +0000

suits a little snug there rog

By: hmmm (17-14*)

hmmm (17-14*) — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:05:34 +0000

“Mike Mussina failed to pitch 6 innings in 12 of his 27 starts in â€˜08.”

i understand that.

i am talking about Mussina filling the role of 4th/5th/6th starter.

what do you guys think a 4th/5th starter looks like? an ERA between 4.50-5.25, 150-175 IP. some good stretches, some bad stretches…but for the most part, 6 innings, 3-4 ERs.

that’s exactly what Moose was last year.

no one is saying he is going to be a top of the rotation starter.

but that doesn’t mean he is “finished”, either.

By: pTresse

pTresse — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:58:16 +0000

Y-GUY

HA!!

Igawa and Pavano will come to the rescue!!

By: Y-Guy

Y-Guy — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:52:23 +0000

i dont have much faith in moose for this season but i think somone like igawa will step up and give the yanks respectable bottom of the rotation starts.