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	<title>Comments on: Radomski goes free, not Debbie Clemens</title>
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		<title>By: aichtal</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/08/radomski-goes-free-not-so-debbie-clemens/comment-page-4/#comment-254308</link>
		<dc:creator>aichtal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my take:

1. Dragging Clemens&#039; wife into this is total tabloid journalism.  Even if true, it&#039;s not relevant to the case at hand, which is, did Roger or did Roger not take PEDs.  Really sleazy and embarrassing that sheâ€™s now dragged through the mud.

2. As a Yankee fan, I hope Clemens is innocent.  But I just can&#039;t shake the feeling that he isn&#039;t.  We may have nothing but circumstantial evidence that he used, but it seems pretty substantial.

3. McNamee has a lot to lose by lying about Roger.  Hasnâ€™t he been given a deal by the feds for giving them information?  If he lies, he loses his deal and faces more severe penalties.  It is not logical that he would lie.  He gains nothing.

4. If Roger is lying, which I think he is (and I would be VERY happy to be wrong) he may have taken this thing to a whole different level.  The feds will HAVE TO investigate, because any deal they gave McNamee is predicated on him being truthful.  They must get to the bottom of that because if McNamee lied, heâ€™ll get slam dunked.  If their investigation shows Roger is lying, he may have set himself up for some charges of his own.  

5. O, How the might have fallen!  And it makes me feel bad for the man.  But didnâ€™t you always suspect the guy?  Even a teensy bit? I did but it sure doesn&#039;t make me happy that he has now (IMO) been exposed.  Just really sad for baseball.

6. I know it&#039;s easy to paint Mitchell as a Red Sox stooge (and trust me, I do that with every Red Sox fan I know, and living in Maine, there ain&#039;t nothin&#039; but Sox fans), but really, the man has had a long and distinguished career.  Is he such a nut that he risks all for his beloved team?  I doubt it.

7. Well, here&#039;s hoping that this season will be a cure for what ails me and baseball.  Steroid overdose.  Let&#039;s Go Yankees!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my take:</p>
<p>1. Dragging Clemens&#8217; wife into this is total tabloid journalism.  Even if true, it&#8217;s not relevant to the case at hand, which is, did Roger or did Roger not take PEDs.  Really sleazy and embarrassing that sheâ€™s now dragged through the mud.</p>
<p>2. As a Yankee fan, I hope Clemens is innocent.  But I just can&#8217;t shake the feeling that he isn&#8217;t.  We may have nothing but circumstantial evidence that he used, but it seems pretty substantial.</p>
<p>3. McNamee has a lot to lose by lying about Roger.  Hasnâ€™t he been given a deal by the feds for giving them information?  If he lies, he loses his deal and faces more severe penalties.  It is not logical that he would lie.  He gains nothing.</p>
<p>4. If Roger is lying, which I think he is (and I would be VERY happy to be wrong) he may have taken this thing to a whole different level.  The feds will HAVE TO investigate, because any deal they gave McNamee is predicated on him being truthful.  They must get to the bottom of that because if McNamee lied, heâ€™ll get slam dunked.  If their investigation shows Roger is lying, he may have set himself up for some charges of his own.  </p>
<p>5. O, How the might have fallen!  And it makes me feel bad for the man.  But didnâ€™t you always suspect the guy?  Even a teensy bit? I did but it sure doesn&#8217;t make me happy that he has now (IMO) been exposed.  Just really sad for baseball.</p>
<p>6. I know it&#8217;s easy to paint Mitchell as a Red Sox stooge (and trust me, I do that with every Red Sox fan I know, and living in Maine, there ain&#8217;t nothin&#8217; but Sox fans), but really, the man has had a long and distinguished career.  Is he such a nut that he risks all for his beloved team?  I doubt it.</p>
<p>7. Well, here&#8217;s hoping that this season will be a cure for what ails me and baseball.  Steroid overdose.  Let&#8217;s Go Yankees!</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/08/radomski-goes-free-not-so-debbie-clemens/comment-page-4/#comment-254196</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just came across another activity of Mitchell&#039;s law firm, DLA Piper. they are involved in defending the Dubai against a class action suit for &quot;alleged enslavement of boys as jockeys in camel races&quot;. 

DLA Piper&#039;s activities include not only legal defense against the suit, but lobbying Congress and, apparently, put propaganda on the internet. See:

http://www.uaeprison.com/camel_jockeys_uae_lobbyists_pr_firms_enslavement_lawsuit_allegations.htm

Of course Dubai has every right to legal representation. But the combo of lobbying Congress and spreading propaganda - well, if Mitchell were as impeccable as many have pretended, he would not be involved in a firm that performed such activities.  this is the venue of legal mercenaries, not &quot;impeccable&quot; people. 

The activities described in this article make me wonder whether DLA Piper is paying someone to influence opinion by posting on blogs such as this. whoa, I&#039;m looking at you. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came across another activity of Mitchell&#8217;s law firm, DLA Piper. they are involved in defending the Dubai against a class action suit for &#8220;alleged enslavement of boys as jockeys in camel races&#8221;. </p>
<p>DLA Piper&#8217;s activities include not only legal defense against the suit, but lobbying Congress and, apparently, put propaganda on the internet. See:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uaeprison.com/camel_jockeys_uae_lobbyists_pr_firms_enslavement_lawsuit_allegations.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.uaeprison.com/camel.....ations.htm</a></p>
<p>Of course Dubai has every right to legal representation. But the combo of lobbying Congress and spreading propaganda &#8211; well, if Mitchell were as impeccable as many have pretended, he would not be involved in a firm that performed such activities.  this is the venue of legal mercenaries, not &#8220;impeccable&#8221; people. </p>
<p>The activities described in this article make me wonder whether DLA Piper is paying someone to influence opinion by posting on blogs such as this. whoa, I&#8217;m looking at you. <img src='http://yankees.lhblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: 27for27</title>
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		<dc:creator>27for27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey--
Here&#039;s my take on the McNamee/Clemens imbroglio.  I was very ready to believe McNamee&#039;s accusations initially.  A seed of doubt was planted by Clemens willingness to go soooo far out on a limb claiming his innocence, including going on national TV and testifying under oath to congress, which by the way would involve a potential jail term if he was proven to have lied under oath.  

When McNamee came out with his &quot;evidence&quot; my trust in McNamee&#039;s version of reality has been completely shaken.  His story, as I understand it, is that he was injecting Clemens with illegal substances over a period of time.  This involved advising Clemens that this would be a good thing to do.  He and Clemens were BFF and did workouts, etc. together.  At the same time he gave a couple of injections to Andy Pettite to help him over an injury. When the federal investigation and Mitchell report came along, he got busted and to avoid jail time he did what to him was absolutely unthinkable-he ratted out his friend Clemens.

How in this scenario does it make sense that he would be saving bloody syringes from the BFF days? He was doing this so that when he told the authorities that Clemens did illegal substances and Clemens didn&#039;t admit it, he could prove he was right and Clemens was wrong? Doesn&#039;t make sense to me.  Sounds more like he was trying to set up Clemens from the beginning. Also, as pointed out on the FAN, his &quot;evidence&quot; doesn&#039;t really amount to much, because it would be very easy to fake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8211;<br />
Here&#8217;s my take on the McNamee/Clemens imbroglio.  I was very ready to believe McNamee&#8217;s accusations initially.  A seed of doubt was planted by Clemens willingness to go soooo far out on a limb claiming his innocence, including going on national TV and testifying under oath to congress, which by the way would involve a potential jail term if he was proven to have lied under oath.  </p>
<p>When McNamee came out with his &#8220;evidence&#8221; my trust in McNamee&#8217;s version of reality has been completely shaken.  His story, as I understand it, is that he was injecting Clemens with illegal substances over a period of time.  This involved advising Clemens that this would be a good thing to do.  He and Clemens were BFF and did workouts, etc. together.  At the same time he gave a couple of injections to Andy Pettite to help him over an injury. When the federal investigation and Mitchell report came along, he got busted and to avoid jail time he did what to him was absolutely unthinkable-he ratted out his friend Clemens.</p>
<p>How in this scenario does it make sense that he would be saving bloody syringes from the BFF days? He was doing this so that when he told the authorities that Clemens did illegal substances and Clemens didn&#8217;t admit it, he could prove he was right and Clemens was wrong? Doesn&#8217;t make sense to me.  Sounds more like he was trying to set up Clemens from the beginning. Also, as pointed out on the FAN, his &#8220;evidence&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really amount to much, because it would be very easy to fake.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gloria, the Mitchell Report:

1. made Mitchell some dough, and gave him an opportunity to mention &quot;Northern Ireland&quot; more than Rudy &quot;Go Big Papi&quot; Giuliani mentioned &quot;9/11&quot;.

2. gave the House Oversight committee another opportunity to reveal that its membership requirements apparently include in-breeding

3. revealed that the vast majority of the Baseball Writers of America are eager and willing to fuel the flames of witch hunts, and don&#039;t care about trying to report on details.  

that sums up what i&#039;ve taken away from it, anyway.   The 3rd one is the most depressing - mostly because it&#039;s not just baseball, but it reflects the crappy quality of American journalism in general, and without better journalism democracy fails, because you need an informed public for democracy to thrive.

the fact that it named a few names - a certain percentage of whom are inevitable innocent, given the low standards of &quot;proof&quot; Selig allowed Mitchell to indulge in - means nothing to me. We all know some players were doing it; Mitchell, thanks to the Feds, listed a fraction of them. BFD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gloria, the Mitchell Report:</p>
<p>1. made Mitchell some dough, and gave him an opportunity to mention &#8220;Northern Ireland&#8221; more than Rudy &#8220;Go Big Papi&#8221; Giuliani mentioned &#8220;9/11&#8243;.</p>
<p>2. gave the House Oversight committee another opportunity to reveal that its membership requirements apparently include in-breeding</p>
<p>3. revealed that the vast majority of the Baseball Writers of America are eager and willing to fuel the flames of witch hunts, and don&#8217;t care about trying to report on details.  </p>
<p>that sums up what i&#8217;ve taken away from it, anyway.   The 3rd one is the most depressing &#8211; mostly because it&#8217;s not just baseball, but it reflects the crappy quality of American journalism in general, and without better journalism democracy fails, because you need an informed public for democracy to thrive.</p>
<p>the fact that it named a few names &#8211; a certain percentage of whom are inevitable innocent, given the low standards of &#8220;proof&#8221; Selig allowed Mitchell to indulge in &#8211; means nothing to me. We all know some players were doing it; Mitchell, thanks to the Feds, listed a fraction of them. BFD.</p>
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		<title>By: ColorMeAmazed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ColorMeAmazed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>26*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>26*</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...there is a lot of anti-Yankee bias on this board!  Some of these arguments make no sense.  It just keeps getting uglier and uglier.  

I ask again...what did this Mitchell Report do EXACTLY??  Has it changed anything except to try to destroy people&#039;s lives and the game we love??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;there is a lot of anti-Yankee bias on this board!  Some of these arguments make no sense.  It just keeps getting uglier and uglier.  </p>
<p>I ask again&#8230;what did this Mitchell Report do EXACTLY??  Has it changed anything except to try to destroy people&#8217;s lives and the game we love??</p>
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		<title>By: "Better Butt By Brian" (Jim in CT)</title>
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		<dc:creator>"Better Butt By Brian" (Jim in CT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;medical waste collection&quot; is hilarious.
I didn&#039;t think Monica Lewinsky had really held onto a dirty, semen-strained dress either....until it was proven she did.
I guess I just don&#039;t live my life saving up stuff to produce on Jerry Springer.  
Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;medical waste collection&#8221; is hilarious.<br />
I didn&#8217;t think Monica Lewinsky had really held onto a dirty, semen-strained dress either&#8230;.until it was proven she did.<br />
I guess I just don&#8217;t live my life saving up stuff to produce on Jerry Springer.<br />
Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim from Dalton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim from Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Clemens is guilty he deserves whatever crap he gets and moreso. 

Whatever your POV is on rerformance-enhancing drugs...you must be disgusted with Rogers performance in calling McNamee a liar.

If true, it would show Roger Clemens in a glaring spotlight of shame, perhaps beyond any other professional athelete...ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Clemens is guilty he deserves whatever crap he gets and moreso. </p>
<p>Whatever your POV is on rerformance-enhancing drugs&#8230;you must be disgusted with Rogers performance in calling McNamee a liar.</p>
<p>If true, it would show Roger Clemens in a glaring spotlight of shame, perhaps beyond any other professional athelete&#8230;ever.</p>
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		<title>By: vrsce</title>
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		<dc:creator>vrsce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa

You really are a narrow close minded person.

You ride your tiny hobby horse into the ground, completely ignoring information which does not suit your petty nasty point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa</p>
<p>You really are a narrow close minded person.</p>
<p>You ride your tiny hobby horse into the ground, completely ignoring information which does not suit your petty nasty point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Goat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Goat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed that the names shouldn&#039;t have been included. It served no purpose other than cloud the issue and have it turn into a big debate over how poorly it was done. How many people even think about any of the recommendations that were in it? 

I have said for a while now that he could have included some of the instances sited without any names attached. It would have given illustration to the problem and probably had a higher impact because it would have you wondering how far reaching the problem is. It would have put greater pressure on the Union to work toward proper testing.

As this report stands, it comes across as an attack against the Yankees and Mets. 

As to the Radomski issue, I&#039;m not doubting you heard it, but I think they were wrong. Its not in the report at all where Radomski states Clemens used or bought from him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that the names shouldn&#8217;t have been included. It served no purpose other than cloud the issue and have it turn into a big debate over how poorly it was done. How many people even think about any of the recommendations that were in it? </p>
<p>I have said for a while now that he could have included some of the instances sited without any names attached. It would have given illustration to the problem and probably had a higher impact because it would have you wondering how far reaching the problem is. It would have put greater pressure on the Union to work toward proper testing.</p>
<p>As this report stands, it comes across as an attack against the Yankees and Mets. </p>
<p>As to the Radomski issue, I&#8217;m not doubting you heard it, but I think they were wrong. Its not in the report at all where Radomski states Clemens used or bought from him.</p>
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