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A little more from Hughes

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Feb 09, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Space is finite in the newspaper, so quite often there are quotes you leave out of a story. Such was the case for Sam Borden when he wrote about Phil Hughes for Friday’s paper.

But we have all the space we need on the blog. So here is part of the interview with Hughes that didn’t make the paper:

His take on Clemens and Pettitte: “You really feel bad for the families, especially. I know how hard it is for my family and they don’t travel with me. It seems like every day there’s something new, someone saying this or saying that.

“They might deny it, but they want to be liked and they want to be looked upon in a good light by the media and the fan base and stuff like that. You feel bad, because you know what kind of people they are away from the field and you know they didn’t have any (bad) intentions. They’re not bad people. It’s just an unfortunate situation.”

His experience with steroids: “That’s the thing that’s kind of shocking to me. You hear about it so much but I’ve never gotten wind of anything, never seen anything. I guess it’s good to keep it that way.”

About the upcoming season: “I remember, I was talking to my family back home and when you’re looking forward to a minor-league season, you want to get out and play but you don’t have the same excitement. You’re trying to stretch every little bit of time you can get. This year, it’s a lot different. I’m really looking forward to the season – you want it to come sooner than any other year.”


Thanks to Sam for sending those quotes over. Barring some sort of news breaking, that’ll be it for blogging today. I’m leaving for Tampa on Monday morning and I have a bunch of things to do.



95 Responses to “A little more from Hughes”

  1. Jaewon February 9th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    He’s quite mature. Hope he has a good year.

  2. Mark Alan February 9th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    I love his sentiment on pitching in the major leagues. This is the first year he’s been a part of a major league team going into a season, so he’s experiencing some things for the first time.

    Whereas in the past, there might have been a spring where he hoped to pitch well enough in the upcoming season to earn a midseason promotion to AAA or the big club, this year, he’s with the big club. He’s a part of the Yankees. People like Alex Rodriguez and Mariano Rivera are “teammates” to him.

    Some day, when he’s making more money than Johan Santana will make next season, I hope he thinks back and remembers this fondly.

  3. McLovin February 9th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Yes there not bad people there just in a bad situation….but there in that Situation caused by Clemens and HGH Pettitte not retiring and cheating to help them out.

    This makes me respect players like Pavano(sadly) who is injuired all the time but doesn’t use HGH like Pettitte to cure his injuries,Roberto Alamor turned 34 and fell apart with the Mets he could have used Steroids but just decided to retire,Ken Griffery Jr who at 1999 was 50 homeruns from Bonds could have took steroids to avoid major injuries could have been at 600 homeruns now.

  4. vinny-b February 9th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    how do you know, they didn’t use. It is not the end all, and cure all.

  5. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 9th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Most people my age are self-centered a$$es.

    Phil’s just shown that, in fact, not all of us are idiots, and, in fact, some of us may have a very bright future ahead.

  6. murphydog February 9th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    One day we will see the Mitchell Report as it really is. While the report was not explicitly about Clemens, Mitchell’s choice to name him changed that. In his moment of truth, Mitchell was not the respected Peace Broker seeking to heal, nor the impartial Judge who weighs all of the equities and errs on the side of caution. Instead, he was the canny politician. Behind in the polls – - two years in, he knew his report was a dud without Clemens – - Mitchell saw that sacrificing Clemens was the Senator’s best chance to rally to a win. By naming Clemens, Mitchell tainted his report with the same flaw that afflicts Baseball in the Age of Steroids: distortion in pursuit of better results.

    Baseball should be ashamed of its willful blindness to steroids but even more ashamed of how it has dealt with the problem, first under-reacting and then shamelessly overreaching. If Mitchell, Congress and MLB are really so concerned about the lessons the young learn from Baseball, they should be ashamed of teaching our children expedience and cynicism, that the destruction of one prominent man will spare many others with just as much, if not more, to answer for.

  7. Vader February 9th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Sometimes, people are not that bright, everyone wants to say they know this and they know that, but what do they really know? I mean at one time people thought the world was flat.

    The only thing I do know for sure, is that the sun will rise and set every day, you will pay taxes and that unfortunately you will die someday.

    My question to everyone is, and I know I’m tired of all this McNamee and Clemens crap too…but it is here; when Clemens’ lawyer Hardin stated that this is the second coming of the Duke Lacrosse case what do you think he meant?

    And if you heard the whole statement you should know.

  8. Bronx Born February 9th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    I could not agree with you more Murphy. Not only has this hurt Clemens, in reality it has hurt baseball. I love the game and have always loved it. Baseball is not about brute force, it is a thinking person’s game and I have always loved every aspect from offense to defense. I grew up idolizing Mickey Mantle, not his personal life but the way he played the game. I did not think of him as a role model for life but for the game. My folks raised me not to put people on a pedestal but enjoy them for what they are. But this report and the congressional tizzy goes beyond just the fact that Clemens might have or might not have done PED. It is the incompleteness that angers me. The lack of investigation into other teams, even the Mets where Radomski worked and Steve Phillips ruled. And I also wonder who pays McNammee’s legal bills. Why is there no real investigation other than to lynch another hero.

    I do not know that Petite’s double dose of HGH could qualify for cheating. How many of us might have tried drugs or abused alcohol, yet we are not accused as cheats. The moral outrage is a bit much for a country that uses brute force to get its way. A country’s whose leaders abuse alcohol or take other drugs in order to get through their day. It would be interesting to note what the loudest mouths are hiding.

    Thanks murphydog for your postings of sanity in this crazy world.

  9. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! February 9th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    I just bought my tickets for the Yankees stadium tour! Just got in, #49, and 50 for the 1pm tour! I think it starts with a 12pm tour, than 11 am, than if they need to add they add 1pm!

    So my point is, if you want to go BOOK NOW!!

  10. Joe from Long Island February 9th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    To Murhpydog, Bronx Born and many others who have posted on this topic (see above), most of whom are far more eloquent than me…I could not agree more. That baseball still captures the imagination and thoughts of so many of us, in spite of the mishandling by it’s leaders, speaks to the beauty of the game.

  11. Joe from Long Island February 9th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Jennifer – I did the tour last year. You will love it. I got a picture of myself standing in the tunnel leading from the Yankee clubhouse to the dugout, right under that famous quote from Joe DiMaggio…Everyone on that tour has a great time.

  12. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! February 9th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    I just wish the tour wasn’t so big, I’d rather it be smaller and more intimate. You know people talk and such. I want to hear what the tour guide has to say.

  13. HawkinsLosesNoNo February 9th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    To McLovin:

    >>who is injuired all the time but doesn’t use HGH like Pettitte to cure his injuries,

    That’s because HGH is not used to cure injuries. It’s used to cure things like dwarfism. Pettitte used it in place of anabolic steroids.

  14. RJPinstripes February 9th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    The more I read about this guy and what and how he says things, the better I like him! If he could be a Jeter-Type as a pitcher, now wouldn’t that be something! You know, the intangibles etc. etc.

  15. Fran February 9th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Jennifer – When you are on the tour even though it is full, they make sure that everyone gets a seat in the press box, dugout, etc. You will not miss anything and you will love the tour. Bring your camera and be sure to take lots of pictures. Enjoy!

  16. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! February 9th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    I have to go and buy a new memory card for may camera.

    I plan to go to Yankee Tavern after. :) hopefully they allow you to park even after the tour is over.

  17. VOIII February 9th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Who are you to tell someone when to retire? You can not fault a guy who has been competing in a sport his entire life and does not want to let go. I would rather have someone with that drive to succeed on my team. The fact is that Steroids were and probably still are a part of professional sports. Anyone whether they be in the business world or the sports world should always looking for a competitive advantage. Baseball players have been corking bats and spitting on balls for a century. The sanctimonious BS has to stop. I believe most of us have all done something we are not proud of, lets stop crucifying these guys.
    The only thing hurt by the steriod issue is the legitimacy of the records of the past. This my friend, has been under assault for years, see – smaller ball parks, juiced balls, harder bats, video tape, creatine and other supplements, better training facilities, better nutrition, better medicine, Tommy John surgery, etc…
    What numbers would Micky Mantle put up if he played in this era with the bats and balls they use today? or if he could have had his knee operated on by a Surgeon with Lewis Yocum’s or Frank Jobe’s credentials? or he played his home games after the Yankee Stadium renovation that took 60 feet off center field? Or if he had video tape to study a pitchers motion and speed to the plate? The game changes, Technology changes, it is a fact of life.

    The hoopla over PEDs has been blown out of proportion by media hounds looking to sell newspapers. (No offense Pete :) )…

    If taking steriods could make me millions of dollars playing baseball, I wouldn’t have to think twice. I suspect most of you santimonious types wouldn’t have to either.

  18. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! February 9th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
    Nice article on Joe G

  19. Fran February 9th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Thanks for posting that article Jennifer. Reading the part about Joe’s sick father brought tears to my eyes having just lost my dad recently.

  20. Vader February 9th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    As much as I love Donnie and wouldn’t have minded if got the job back in November, you have to hand to Cash, Joe Girardi is the right guy for the job.

    Having a loved one go through Alzheimer’s has to be hard on you.

  21. Joe from Long Island February 9th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Vader – agree completely. The story in the Times reminds me of my own family.

    About Donnie – it’s a tragic family story. I wonder if Cash and the Yanks had an inkling of what was going on with Donnie, and if it played a part in their decision making.

  22. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 9th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Joe: They probably had some idea, but I highly doubt it was the major factor in their decision.

  23. Joe from Long Island February 9th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Rebecca – You’re probably right. Given how long Donnie was in the organization, they were at least conscious of it. Very sad, for Donnie, and in general.

  24. NYPD113th February 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    “They might deny it, but they want to be liked and they want to be looked upon in a good light by the media and the fan base and stuff like that. ”

    – Probably not going to find Phil in the ‘rare books’ section of the library, huh? :)

  25. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 9th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Slow day, isn’t it?

  26. Joe from Long Island February 9th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Yeah, Rebecca, it is.

    Can’t wait for the end of next week.

    I’m actually going down there in March for a week. Catch some games, see some people, have some fun. I’m looking ofrward to it.

  27. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    I can’t wait for the end of the week cos I got plans to hit up the Hall of fame!

  28. whoa February 9th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Hughes will make one of the great new faces of the Yankees as they begin a new championship run.

  29. MikeEff - Shelley at First February 9th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    have a great time at the tour ! i definitely want to do it sometime this summer, and rebecca enjoy your trip to cooperstown

    btw really great article on girardi. thanks

  30. Joe from Long Island February 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Rebecca, I think you’ll love it. It’s small, but has a tremendous amount of baseball packed into it. Also, take a look at Doubleday Field. I got to walk around it, and really got an appreciation for how close 60’6″ actually is. It’s amazing that anyone can hit anything!

    There was one restaurant that we really liked; unfortunately, I can’t remember the name of it. It was a small storefront, on a corner at the opposite end of the street where the HOF is; about half a block away from some of the Cooperstown Inn (I think that’s it’s name). Great menu, great cooking, and great wine. Wine, food and baseball…Who could ask for anything more?!

  31. jj February 9th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    I don’t give a damn what he [Hughes] says: It’s the numbers that matter.

  32. Jim PA February 9th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Have fun, Pete. Keep us apprised. You have the best job in the world (lucky bastard).

  33. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 9th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Thanks guys! I’ve been there twice before, but this is my first time going with people that are as into baseball as I am!

  34. Florida Yank February 9th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Peter :

    Have a safe and enjoyable month and a half of sunny West Central Florida. It’s a tough job but somebody has to do it.
    Will look for you within the confines of Legends.

  35. The Fallen Phoenix February 9th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    And the interesting thing about records, VOIII, is that it works the other way, too. What if Babe Ruth had played in an integrated league? With the best players from all over the world–the United States, Japan, Latin America? Where not just Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, but the players they played against, also had video tape, supplements, modern sports medicine, state-of-the-art training facilities…

    I am in no way questioning the legitimacy of *any* record, past or present; all I’m saying is that the looking glass works both ways, and I don’t think a lot of people appreciate that.

  36. Old Ranger February 9th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Everyone talks about Roger had to be on something, no one pitches that well that long…wrong! Satch Page…ever hear of him? Pitched until he was 58 years old…started at age 45. Ok, the last year was only a token…he need a little more time to qualify for ret. benefits. The point is, he did pitch at 58 years old, for the old KC Browns(I think) didn’t give up a run either.
    Point being, speculation on what Roger did or didn’t do is BS! What we have is a he said, he said. So, until proven otherwise…the American way…HE DIDN’T DO IT! Get off the soap box, or preach in the out house! That is the only place for the s@#t you have been spouting. It amazes me no end, how little people wish take someone into the slime with them. Sorry folks, I am so tired of reading their garbage. 27/08.

    Pete, be safe.

  37. Doreen February 9th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Rebecca –

    Hall of Fame –

    There’s a great breakfast place too. Great waffles and pancakes, if you’re into that sort o thing. With lots of memoriabilia in the place, and of course, who remembers the NAME OF THE PLACE?????

    We took the trip in 2001 so in the main entry hall they had a Subway Series Exhibit. It was really cool. At th4e time, the Cow Parade Exhibit was all the rage, so they had one cow dressed in Yankee uniform and the other in Mets. It was really, really great. I was just looking at the pictures the other day (my girls were so little a mere 7 years ago!) and it was a great trip for us. Except for not staying in a great place, that is.

    Make sure you stop by the Women’s Pro Baseball Wing. It’s just inspiring.

  38. Doreen February 9th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    I apologize for my typos. I’m not only typing too fast, but I’m waiting for new contact lenses. I’m turning 50 next week (cringe), and my eyes are STILL changing, vis-a-vis the astigmatism (the nearsightedness hasn’t changed in years), so depending on the time of day, how long the lenses have been in, my vision, and therefore my typing, suffers!

    Hey, I must really like you people — I’m admitting my age! Actually, I’m pretty okay with it! :)

  39. Doreen February 9th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Waaaaaay off topic –

    So. I am 25 CDs away from loading my entire CD library onto my PC.

    NOW What???

  40. Doreen February 9th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Rebecca –

    Will you have another installment tomorrow?

  41. Fran February 9th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Doreen – Happy Birthday!

  42. RJPinstripes February 9th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Anyone come up with the name of the waffle/pancake place. I might want to visit it when I’m down there. Thanks

  43. Doreen February 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    I just went to a website with Cooperstown eateries on it, and it seems to me that TJ’s Place/The Home Plate, 124 Main Street – (607)547-4040 might be the place where we had the waffles and pancakes. Not positive, though.

  44. Doreen February 9th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Fran -

    Thanks for the birthday wishes. This year, there’s a national holiday just for me! (Feb 18th, Presidents’ Day!)

  45. Fran February 9th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Doreen – Are you doing anything special to celebrate since this is a special birthday?

  46. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 9th, 2008 at 7:38 pm


    1) Cooperstown is two hours from here, so if we ate anything it’d probably be dinner!

    2) Yep, once I finish writing it.

    I actually got some very exciting news yesterday, which I’d be glad to share but would prefer to do over IM (fireroseboudicca) or email (

    3) Happy birthday!

  47. Olde Town Glory February 9th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Hello everyone. I recently wrote a story on how trends in Beckett’s numbers suggest that he could actually improve on his 2007 season. I’d like some critical analysis from non-fans though and I figured what better place than this to find fans critical of Beckett.

    If any of you have arguments for why Beckett may regress from his 2007 numbers, feel free to leave a comment explaining them. You can find the article by clicking on my name. Just make sure you provide evidence for your point. Just saying, Beckett was “too good” last year or that he’ll regress because it was a career year isn’t really providing any evidence. If you think he outperformed his ability and you feel you have a case to support the notion, I welcome your thoughts. I want it to be an open discussion on the topic.

  48. jc February 9th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    phil is clearly a stand up guy. the kind who yankee fans love. i look forward to a year of his starts and interviews as im sure everyone else does. he definitely has a little bit of david cone in him and im sure that equals success.

  49. jc February 9th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    phil is clearly a stand up guy. the kind who yankee fans love. i look forward to a year of his starts and interviews as im sure everyone else does. he definitely has a little bit of david cone in him and im sure that equals success.

  50. Doreen February 9th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Fran, -

    No special plans, really. I don’t want a party. My daughter is going to try to come home from school and we’ll go out to dinner, I guess. And then my sister and her family will come here for dinner.

  51. Senor A. Boy February 9th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Has anybody ever noticed that Pete looks like that guy from Project Runway?

  52. Fran February 9th, 2008 at 8:23 pm


    It’s always nice to celebrate with family. Enjoy!

  53. susan mullen February 9th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    No Yankee player or employee should answer any questions about the so-called Mitchell report. I read many articles referencing the Cleveland Indians, who had the worst offender probably in 2007, Paul Byrd– he actually took enough HGH to gain a benefit (Pettitte’s 2x use was nowhere near enough to cause any improvement as anyone familiar with the substance knows). The NY baseball writers even named Eric Wedge Manager of the Year. For some reason they didn’t see him as “tainted” as the same guys suggested about Joe Torre. Cleveland even just hired an actual “steroids guy,” Brendon Donnelly, ie he was named in Mitchell/Radomski as having purchased 2 or more units of steroids. Steroids, unlike HGH, can enhance performance. What happened? Nothing. Donnelly just said he never used it. No constant questions and slander for users in Cleveland, just accolades. Therefore, no Yankee should ever answer any questions about substances–as Paul Byrd said, “It’s a private matter.” No player in New York should put up with what was just a publicity stunt by Selig to begin with. If you don’t comment about it, the media will have to find something else to justify its existence.

  54. Parade Rain February 9th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Those quotes were rather uninteresting. He basically doesn’t take a stand on steroids. I don’t expect him to say anything interesting, but I do expect you, Peter, to not act like a fanboy over everything this kid says.

    Leave him alone. The more attention/ publicity he gets, the more pressure he’ll have to be the #3 he, Joba, or Mussina has to be for the Yanks to avoid trading Ian Kennedy in a package for one if Kennedy can’t be the #3 either.

  55. Joe Buck ruins my life with his bad MLB/NFL playoff announcing February 9th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Im dying of boredommmmmmmmmmmmm

    Someone kill me until spring training.

  56. UtilityMan February 9th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Not sure if anyone has posted this before…but
    Not only did Phil Hughes switch to Uniform #34…but
    Ian Kennedy is now #31
    Sean Henn is now #30
    LaTroy Hawkins is #22
    Edwar Ramirez is now #36
    Chris Woodward is #11
    Nick Green is #12
    Jason Lane is #19
    Ross Ohlendorf is now #39
    Joba is still #62…….for now

  57. UtilityMan February 9th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Joe Buck

    First YES Network ST Game on TV is 3 weeks from tommorrow
    Phillies at the Yankees 1:15 PM

  58. Parade Rain February 9th, 2008 at 9:38 pm


    I want every Yankee to say steroids is wrong and practice what they preach – how’s that? I’m tired of players not speaking out or giving the tired old line “I didn’t see nuthin” like Hughes did. I’m not saying he saw or didn’t see anything done, but when every other player says that, some of them are lying, I hope Hughes isn’t one of them.

    Writers are really asking players what they think of steroids when they bring up the Mitchell Report, not the Mitchell Report per se as (they know/ think) most players haven’t read it (since most are not in it so who cares?). The M.R. is really about steroids…and really pointless as M.L.B. turned a blind eye to steroids use cuz Sammy Vs. Mac then Bonds was raking in tons of $$$.

    If you don’t comment, you’re branded Mark McGwire. I respect Clemens 110% for being adamant in saying he didn’t take
    sh it cuz you know what? When a degenerate ex-cop, desperate, pathetic, rat bastard (McNamee) goes after your WIFE, after begging for money and a job and asking what to do 21X in one phonecall, you definitely didn’t do them. I can’t belive this guy after he comes after a player’s wife.
    To any of you do: I hope someone comes after you in your personal life with bul lsh it and we’ll see how you like it when everyone in your town thinks you’re what you’re not cuz someone says so.

  59. THEcanoCANNON February 9th, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Any Body Have a Scouting Report on Scott Patterson and wat are his chances of makin the pen out of spring training

  60. UtilityMan February 9th, 2008 at 9:57 pm


    He is a righty that was added to the Major League 40 Man Roster,after spending most of the 2007 season with Trenton.

    He had an excellent ERA with Trenton,and earned a call up to Scranton as well.

    He is certainly in the mix for one of the remaining 3 spots in the bullpen.

  61. Vince February 9th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    Even though I haven’t bought a Joba shirt, I couldn’t be upset if I did and he switched numbers. The retro shirt would have value as will Phil Hughes’ No. 65.
    They weren’t available in sporting good stores back when Mickey Mantle wore No. 6 in his rookie year but how valuable would one of those shirts be today ?
    As long as a shirt doesn’t have names on the back, that’s fine with this guy. Yankees have never had names in the backs of uniforms. Fans know who they are.

  62. Bronxbyte February 9th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Cano Cannon ;

    Like Edwar Ramirez, Scott Patterson was a find out of an Independent League. A Yankee scout saw and liked him and the rest is history.

  63. UtilityMan February 9th, 2008 at 10:06 pm


    I did not know that about Mantle and the #6..Thanks

    Does anyone remember the # that Donny Baseball first wore when he came up as a September call up 1982???

  64. Vince February 9th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Utility Man – - -

    Mattingly wore No. 46 before 23.


  65. Jones February 9th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Just saw Damon last night at the Hard Rock Hotel in Vegas at about 12:30 am. Walking through the casino with a woman on his arm followed by another woman and a man. Didn’t seem drunk. He better show up in shape.

  66. yanksrule57 February 9th, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Quiet night…..

    Happy Birthday Doreen. I turned 50 last Sept, welcome to the clu! I can also tell you first hand, it’s just a number.

    Utility Man,

    Re the ST games. Even though I get the baseball package on DirectTV they black out the ST games for people out of the NYC area. It stinks. Another of my complaints about baseball’s antiquated blackout rules.

  67. UtilityMan February 9th, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Good Job Vince

    Sorry I dont have anything to give to you for the correct answer.

  68. yanksrule57 February 9th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    welcome to the “club”

  69. UtilityMan February 9th, 2008 at 10:24 pm


    Sorry to hear that

    What was the date or dates you were going to be in Tampa???
    You told me your Section and Row already.

  70. Whitey Fraud February 9th, 2008 at 10:25 pm


  71. yanksrule57 February 9th, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    Utility Man,

    We decided to come down next weekend, but don’t know if we will get to the ballfields. We have tickets for Saturday the 15th against the Rays.

  72. yanksrule57 February 9th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Utility Man,

    We have tickets for the 3/15 game against the Rays.

  73. UtilityMan February 9th, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Ah OK….Would it be OK to stop by and introduce myself???

    I will be at that game as well.

  74. yanksrule57 February 9th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Utility man,

    Always nice to meet a fellow Lohud blog fan.

  75. UtilityMan February 9th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Will do….see you on the 15TH

  76. Buddy Biancalana February 9th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Obama is really picking up some steam.

  77. DontTradePhil! February 9th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    Phillip sounds like a great kid, we are lucky to have him, what a pleasure to be able to root for a real yankee and not the lying drug riddled pyschopath Clemens

  78. murphydog February 9th, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Happy Birthday Doreen. (You’re not getting older, you’re getting better). Many happy returns.

  79. pat February 9th, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Clemens provides Congress proof that he was never at the Canseco party that McNamee says initiated him to start using steroids.

  80. Buddy Biancalana February 9th, 2008 at 11:37 pm


    Yes, Kobayashi won Kansas.

  81. OldYanksFan February 9th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    FWIW: From the Hardball Times
    The Yankees were right not to trade Phil Hughes
    Despite our forecast for Santana’s dominance, that doesn’t mean that the Yankees will be despairing too much when he pitches across town every fifth day. That’s because they’ll get to have a poor man’s Santana in Hughes, and at a much poorer salary.

    We project a 4.12 ERA for Hughes in the much tougher American League, and more importantly, our three-year forecast sees that number dropping to 3.84 by 2010. If we put Santana on the Yankees, his forecast for 2010 would be a 3.76 ERA—pretty much equivalent to Hughes! While Santana is the better pitcher now, he probably won’t be any more valuable over the life of his contract than Hughes, if Hughes can stay healthy (or if Santana cannot, I suppose).

    Now that’s a big if, but the Yankees have 137 million reasons to feel pretty good about taking that chance.

  82. d February 9th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    VOIII – comparing the fact that clemens took steroids
    to the fact that mantle could have had knee surgery today is rediculous and you know it.

  83. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! February 9th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    We know one thing, that McNamee is a sicko la. The question is, is Roger? If it is true that he had his wife injected with HGH to get ready for a Sports Illustrated cover, than there are some issues there.

    Bottom line both Roger and McNamee are in this so deep. We know one of them is lying, now who ever that is has to continue to lie since they’ve gone so far at this point.

    We will now hear Mcnamee say he was mistaken about the party that Roger was at. He will try to worm his way out of that lie.

    Who knows if we will ever know who is telling the truth. After Wednesday it still might be a he said he said thing.

  84. murphydog February 10th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    McNamee apparently got his parties mixed up. Camp Clemens believes it can prove Roger wasn’t at a Jose Canseco party like McNamee told Mitchell. The party is important because according to McNamee, it started the PED ball rolling for Rocket.

    How hard would it have been for the Feds or Mitchell’s troops to corroborate McNamee’s story about the Canseco party, given that it occurred on a specific date and at a specific place? That kind of detective work doesn’t require supernatural powers. The fact that nobody on Mitchell’s squad appears to have bothered to verify this McNamee “fact” shows the kind of low quality investigative work that went on. It’s a perfect example of law enforcement and Mitchell being lazy because they weren’t preparing like they would if they were going to use McNamee as an informant in court. What else did McNamee slip past these guys because they were doing a half-assed job?

    Remember, McNamee was a narc, a job that requires a person to be a very convincing liar to induce people to sell drugs to him. In fact you could say that while he was a cop his life depended on how well he could lie.

  85. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! February 10th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Wednesday is going to be pretty interesting. I’m sure either wfan or espn will carry it on the radio. I’ll be listening.

  86. Say it ain't so February 10th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    I don’t think there’s any question that both Clemens and McNamee are sick people, and both are lying to an extent. The truth is somewhere in the middle of their stories.

    As far as injecting Debbie Clemens, one has to wonder why we were getting comments from the Clemens camp every three seconds and now a couple of days have gone by and none of them have denied that Debbie took HGH, and one of his lawyers even insinuated that she had taken them with his joke along the lines of “Roger won the Cy Young award because his wife took HGH”. So then did she? It doesn’t seem like it’d matter, except that I’d personally find it laughable if he continued to deny he took HGH when his own wife and his best friend were taking them from the trainer who once lived at the Clemens mansion.

    One last thing: a big part of me truly does hope that Clemens can somehow prove he is innocent. I want to see Mitchell squirm.

  87. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! February 10th, 2008 at 12:53 am

    Yeah you are right that was a very strange comment. If Debbie did take hgh, it would make you believe that he did too. This is all very very sad. Someone here is very messed up.

  88. all Yankees all the time February 10th, 2008 at 8:00 am

  89. yanksrule57 February 10th, 2008 at 8:19 am

    All Yankees,

    Great clip. That gentleman does a great Bob Shepard impersonation.

  90. Y's Guy February 10th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    here’s why congress SHOULD BE investigating steroid use by pro atheletes.

  91. randy l. February 10th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    “I’m defending Brian, that is right,” Radomski told “I believe him over Clemens and his lawyers. I think he is very believable. He was a cop. He knows the consequences of lying. He has more to lose than to gain by lying.”

    “Remember, McNamee was a narc, a job that requires a person to be a very convincing liar to induce people to sell drugs to him. In fact you could say that while he was a cop his life depended on how well he could lie”

    now there’s two different schools of thought about mcnamee and lying. great analysis ,murphydog.

    let me get this straight. radomsky is an admitted steroid dealer who was making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year selling steriods to baseball players and others who when convicted of doing this gets 6 years probation .
    so the penalty for being a drug dealer is 6 years probation.

    nice work if you can get it. so what’s the deterrent for being a drug dealer? apparently not much of one. now another question i have is what is radomsky now talking about when he is so mouthy about the whole clemens and bonds situation saying that bonds was smart taking care of his trainer implying that’s why his trainer has refused to talk about bonds?

    shouldn’t someone who is on probation for being convicted of steroid dealing not be making statements where he says that bonds did the right thing if he paid his trainer to keep his silence while he was in jail. wouldn’t that be advocating illegal activity by bonds? isn’t this odd behavior for someone on probation?

    so why is radomsky so cocky about the whole thing? same with mcnamee. i would think they’d be scared to death. but they are not. i guess having a “get out of jail free ” card will do that for you.

  92. Andrea February 10th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    While it’s very sad, what happened to that family, investigating what Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens may or may not have done 8 to 10 years ago really isn’t going to do much. It would be much more useful to find people who are breaking rules/laws NOW and investigate them.

  93. randy l. February 10th, 2008 at 10:56 am

    “Remember, McNamee was a narc, a job that requires a person to be a very convincing liar to induce people to sell drugs to him. In fact you could say that while he was a cop his life depended on how well he could lie.”

    great outside the box analysis by murphydog.

    as far as the tragic Marrero’s story of a son committing suicide while going through withdrawals form steroids, i ‘m not sure i see the moral connection to clemens and pettitte. placing blame is natural for grieved parents, but is pettitte partially to blame for their son’s suicide? to me that’s a stretch.

    i’m not saying it , but someone could say maybe it was the war in iraq that was partially the fault because the father was over there the year before his son’s death. maybe if his father was home, it wouldn’t have happened. is bush and all the congressmen who voted for the war to blame also? how far do you go in assessing blame for a tragic event?

    with respect and sympathy to the marrero family, i think it’s unfair to blame an athlete like pettitte for their son’s death. baseball didn’t create steroid use. if no baseball player ever touched steroids, steroids would still be a major problem in our society.

    steriods were prevalent in body building and football long before any baseball players thought of using steroids. the military itself with it’s emphasis on strength and conditioning has long had a major problem with steriods. law enforcement personnel abuse of steroids predates baseball use. it’s not a coincidence a former cop, mcnamee brought steroids to baseball. it was part of his world before he ever got into major league baseball.

    my personal belief is that no one should use steroids if they have any respect for their bodies and their health, but to blame steroid use in our society on baseball is simplistic and inaccurate.

  94. Say it ain't so February 10th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    I agree with randy l. Yes, it’s sad when anyone dies like that, except that people need to stop with this bs “keeping the kids away from drugs” crusade. Parents are responsible for their kids. Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens have their own children to keep away from drugs.

  95. murphydog February 10th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    “here’s why congress SHOULD BE investigating steroid use by pro athletes.”

    I read the article. I admire Vecsey, have for a long time. And I feel bad for those two people, they seem like decent folks and losing a child like that is the worst thing that can happen in life, bar none. They deserve a little space in the Times for trying to make something good out of such a powerful tragedy.

    But does anybody really need to be educated about the bad effects of steroids? No. That’s not the issue, unless you’ve been living in a cave for the last few years. That’s why guys like Waxman and everybody else in Congress make me sick. The problem is not how bad steroids are. That ship sailed a long, long time ago.

    Congress says they want to address the wrongdoing here, but it’s not really Congress’ job to be investigating individual drug crimes by private people. They’re supposed to be making laws for the common good, not acting like a large, ponderous, even less efficient Justice Department. I don’t object to them finding facts. I do however draw the line at Congress threatening individual citizens about events which the law enforcement community couldn’t prosecute due to weak and insufficient evidence. That’s damned near double jeopardy in my book, certainly a second bite at the apple at a lower standard of proof. The picture: Big bad Congress rising upon its hind legs to roar at a single ballplayer – how proud we all should be of how our elected officials are dealing with Steroids in Baseball. They’ll be pulling their chins and nodding sagely over this until the next photo op issue stumbles in front of them.

    Why isn’t Congress looking into the owners, who got a pass from Mitchell, when anyone can see that they were in fact making the most money by far out of Generation Juice? Why isn’t Congress as righteously indignant about that?

    Here’s an idea for all the Ivy Leaguers at DOJ: charge MLB, the Union and the owners with a RICO crime and use that indictment to make them forfeit the proceeds of the steroid age. Use the testimony of McNamee, Radmoski, the admitted player-users, and attribute it to the collective knowledge of the Union, MLB and the rest of the owners. Use the two prior collusion cases as proof that owners have banded together before to act improperly to maximize profits. Call it a pervasive fraud on the customers. It’s not that crazy an idea. Take the money offered in settlement and distribute it to drug education classes around the country. Nobody screamed when Spitzer used similar tactics to take apart Wall Street.

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