I read the article. I admire Vecsey, have for a long time. And I feel bad for those two people, they seem like decent folks and losing a child like that is the worst thing that can happen in life, bar none. They deserve a little space in the Times for trying to make something good out of such a powerful tragedy.

But does anybody really need to be educated about the bad effects of steroids? No. That’s not the issue, unless you’ve been living in a cave for the last few years. That’s why guys like Waxman and everybody else in Congress make me sick. The problem is not how bad steroids are. That ship sailed a long, long time ago.

Congress says they want to address the wrongdoing here, but it’s not really Congress’ job to be investigating individual drug crimes by private people. They’re supposed to be making laws for the common good, not acting like a large, ponderous, even less efficient Justice Department. I don’t object to them finding facts. I do however draw the line at Congress threatening individual citizens about events which the law enforcement community couldn’t prosecute due to weak and insufficient evidence. That’s damned near double jeopardy in my book, certainly a second bite at the apple at a lower standard of proof. The picture: Big bad Congress rising upon its hind legs to roar at a single ballplayer – how proud we all should be of how our elected officials are dealing with Steroids in Baseball. They’ll be pulling their chins and nodding sagely over this until the next photo op issue stumbles in front of them.

Why isn’t Congress looking into the owners, who got a pass from Mitchell, when anyone can see that they were in fact making the most money by far out of Generation Juice? Why isn’t Congress as righteously indignant about that?

Here’s an idea for all the Ivy Leaguers at DOJ: charge MLB, the Union and the owners with a RICO crime and use that indictment to make them forfeit the proceeds of the steroid age. Use the testimony of McNamee, Radmoski, the admitted player-users, and attribute it to the collective knowledge of the Union, MLB and the rest of the owners. Use the two prior collusion cases as proof that owners have banded together before to act improperly to maximize profits. Call it a pervasive fraud on the customers. It’s not that crazy an idea. Take the money offered in settlement and distribute it to drug education classes around the country. Nobody screamed when Spitzer used similar tactics to take apart Wall Street.

great outside the box analysis by murphydog.

as far as the tragic Marrero’s story of a son committing suicide while going through withdrawals form steroids, i ‘m not sure i see the moral connection to clemens and pettitte. placing blame is natural for grieved parents, but is pettitte partially to blame for their son’s suicide? to me that’s a stretch.

i’m not saying it , but someone could say maybe it was the war in iraq that was partially the fault because the father was over there the year before his son’s death. maybe if his father was home, it wouldn’t have happened. is bush and all the congressmen who voted for the war to blame also? how far do you go in assessing blame for a tragic event?

with respect and sympathy to the marrero family, i think it’s unfair to blame an athlete like pettitte for their son’s death. baseball didn’t create steroid use. if no baseball player ever touched steroids, steroids would still be a major problem in our society.

steriods were prevalent in body building and football long before any baseball players thought of using steroids. the military itself with it’s emphasis on strength and conditioning has long had a major problem with steriods. law enforcement personnel abuse of steroids predates baseball use. it’s not a coincidence a former cop, mcnamee brought steroids to baseball. it was part of his world before he ever got into major league baseball.

my personal belief is that no one should use steroids if they have any respect for their bodies and their health, but to blame steroid use in our society on baseball is simplistic and inaccurate.

“Remember, McNamee was a narc, a job that requires a person to be a very convincing liar to induce people to sell drugs to him. In fact you could say that while he was a cop his life depended on how well he could lie”

now there’s two different schools of thought about mcnamee and lying. great analysis ,murphydog.

let me get this straight. radomsky is an admitted steroid dealer who was making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year selling steriods to baseball players and others who when convicted of doing this gets 6 years probation .

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3236496
so the penalty for being a drug dealer is 6 years probation.

nice work if you can get it. so what’s the deterrent for being a drug dealer? apparently not much of one. now another question i have is what is radomsky now talking about when he is so mouthy about the whole clemens and bonds situation saying that bonds was smart taking care of his trainer implying that’s why his trainer has refused to talk about bonds?

shouldn’t someone who is on probation for being convicted of steroid dealing not be making statements where he says that bonds did the right thing if he paid his trainer to keep his silence while he was in jail. wouldn’t that be advocating illegal activity by bonds? isn’t this odd behavior for someone on probation?

so why is radomsky so cocky about the whole thing? same with mcnamee. i would think they’d be scared to death. but they are not. i guess having a “get out of jail free ” card will do that for you.

Great clip. That gentleman does a great Bob Shepard impersonation.

As far as injecting Debbie Clemens, one has to wonder why we were getting comments from the Clemens camp every three seconds and now a couple of days have gone by and none of them have denied that Debbie took HGH, and one of his lawyers even insinuated that she had taken them with his joke along the lines of “Roger won the Cy Young award because his wife took HGH”. So then did she? It doesn’t seem like it’d matter, except that I’d personally find it laughable if he continued to deny he took HGH when his own wife and his best friend were taking them from the trainer who once lived at the Clemens mansion.

One last thing: a big part of me truly does hope that Clemens can somehow prove he is innocent. I want to see Mitchell squirm.