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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/11/greetings-from-tampa-3/comment-page-1/#comment-254849</link>
		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?season=2006

No, I have issues with it, but its the best we got.
Check out the link above.
In, 2007, Fenway had an offensive PF of 1.17
In, 2006, Fenway had an offensive PF of 1.03
In, 2005, Fenway had an offensive PF of 1.03
In, 2004, Fenway had an offensive PF of 1.12

Did they move the fences at Fenway? No.
Run scoring by different teams against different pitchers in different parks is just somewhat random.
The good news is these &#039;+&#039; stats measure players relative to one another in any one (same) given year.
But I don&#039;t think they are not really relative to the same player across different years.</description>
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<p>No, I have issues with it, but its the best we got.<br />
Check out the link above.<br />
In, 2007, Fenway had an offensive PF of 1.17<br />
In, 2006, Fenway had an offensive PF of 1.03<br />
In, 2005, Fenway had an offensive PF of 1.03<br />
In, 2004, Fenway had an offensive PF of 1.12</p>
<p>Did they move the fences at Fenway? No.<br />
Run scoring by different teams against different pitchers in different parks is just somewhat random.<br />
The good news is these &#8216;+&#8217; stats measure players relative to one another in any one (same) given year.<br />
But I don&#8217;t think they are not really relative to the same player across different years.</p>
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		<title>By: UtilityMan</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/11/greetings-from-tampa-3/comment-page-1/#comment-254848</link>
		<dc:creator>UtilityMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#   Player
11 Woodward
12 Green
19 Lane
22 Hawkins
30 Henn
31 Kennedy
34 Hughes
36 Ramirez
38 Britton
39 Ohlendorf
43 Strickland
47 Rasner
58 Karstens
63 Albaladejo</description>
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11 Woodward<br />
12 Green<br />
19 Lane<br />
22 Hawkins<br />
30 Henn<br />
31 Kennedy<br />
34 Hughes<br />
36 Ramirez<br />
38 Britton<br />
39 Ohlendorf<br />
43 Strickland<br />
47 Rasner<br />
58 Karstens<br />
63 Albaladejo</p>
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		<title>By: Kill-Schill(ing)</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/11/greetings-from-tampa-3/comment-page-1/#comment-254838</link>
		<dc:creator>Kill-Schill(ing)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  Not the most reliable and valid measure it would seem then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  Not the most reliable and valid measure it would seem then.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/11/greetings-from-tampa-3/comment-page-1/#comment-254831</link>
		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, that is the SIMPLY was to adjust/calculate Park Factor. There are more sophisticated ways. One of the problems I have found with some stats, is that there are often different formulas for the same thing. Thats why some stats at Baseball reference don&#039;t always match the same stat shown on the ESPN site.

Here is how the ESPN defined it for offensive stats:

A rate higher than 1.000 favors the hitter. Below 1.000 favors the pitcher.

PF = ((homeRS + homeRA)/(homeG)) / ((roadRS + roadRA)/(roadG))

I&#039;m GUESSING that for pitchers Park Factors, they use EARNED RS, but I don&#039;t know for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, that is the SIMPLY was to adjust/calculate Park Factor. There are more sophisticated ways. One of the problems I have found with some stats, is that there are often different formulas for the same thing. Thats why some stats at Baseball reference don&#8217;t always match the same stat shown on the ESPN site.</p>
<p>Here is how the ESPN defined it for offensive stats:</p>
<p>A rate higher than 1.000 favors the hitter. Below 1.000 favors the pitcher.</p>
<p>PF = ((homeRS + homeRA)/(homeG)) / ((roadRS + roadRA)/(roadG))</p>
<p>I&#8217;m GUESSING that for pitchers Park Factors, they use EARNED RS, but I don&#8217;t know for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/11/greetings-from-tampa-3/comment-page-1/#comment-254827</link>
		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALL &#039;Plus&#039; (+) stats use a park figure to equalizes stats between different parks. It does NOT account for the parks physical attributes, defense, or anything else other then runs. I might guess earned runs when calcing ERA+. This is why Park Fartors VARY every year, because the amout of runs scored at various parks is somewhat random.

For example: Lets say the Yanks play the Mets all 162 games.
Over the 162 games, in the 81 played at Yankee stadium, there are 1000 earned runs scored.
Over the 162 games, in the 81 played at Shea stadium, there are 800 earned runs scored.

So, if the same 2 teams score 1000 at Yankee but only 800 at Shea, Shea is a &#039;pitchers&#039; park, and Yankee Stadium is not. So the Pitchers for the Mets have an advantage when compared to the Pitcher at Yankee Stadium.

So the Shea Park Factor for pitching is 800/1000 = 0.8
So the Yankee Park Factor for pitching is 1000/800 = 1.25
If a Shea pitcher has an ERA of 4.0 at HOME and
If a Shea pitcher has an ERA of 4.0 at AWAY 
His HOME games ERA+ is calculated as: 4.0/0.8 = 5.0 
His AWAY games ERA+ is the same as his ERA: 4.00
So his total ERA+ (Home and Away) = (4.0 + 5.0)/2 = 4.5

If a Yankee pitcher has an ERA of 4.0 at HOME and
If a Yankee pitcher has an ERA of 4.0 at AWAY 
His HOME games ERA+ is calculated as: 4.0/1.25 = 3.2
His AWAY games ERA+ is the same as his ERA: 4.00
So his total ERA+ (Home and Away) = (4.0 + 3.2)/2 = 3.6

So... both pitchers have and ERA (not adjusted) of 4.0
Because it&#039;s easier to score runs at Yankee (and therefore a disadvantage for the pitcher) is ERA+ is 3.6
Because it&#039;s harder to score runs at Shea (and therefore ad advantage for the pitcher) is ERA+ is 4.5

HOWEVER, if NEXT year, by coincidence, the those teams score
800 and Yankee and 1000 at Shea, for that year, the Park Factors would be reversed of the first case.

So it is NOT scientific, but based SOLELY on the ACTUAL RUNS scored in that year, by each park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL &#8216;Plus&#8217; (+) stats use a park figure to equalizes stats between different parks. It does NOT account for the parks physical attributes, defense, or anything else other then runs. I might guess earned runs when calcing ERA+. This is why Park Fartors VARY every year, because the amout of runs scored at various parks is somewhat random.</p>
<p>For example: Lets say the Yanks play the Mets all 162 games.<br />
Over the 162 games, in the 81 played at Yankee stadium, there are 1000 earned runs scored.<br />
Over the 162 games, in the 81 played at Shea stadium, there are 800 earned runs scored.</p>
<p>So, if the same 2 teams score 1000 at Yankee but only 800 at Shea, Shea is a &#8216;pitchers&#8217; park, and Yankee Stadium is not. So the Pitchers for the Mets have an advantage when compared to the Pitcher at Yankee Stadium.</p>
<p>So the Shea Park Factor for pitching is 800/1000 = 0.8<br />
So the Yankee Park Factor for pitching is 1000/800 = 1.25<br />
If a Shea pitcher has an ERA of 4.0 at HOME and<br />
If a Shea pitcher has an ERA of 4.0 at AWAY<br />
His HOME games ERA+ is calculated as: 4.0/0.8 = 5.0<br />
His AWAY games ERA+ is the same as his ERA: 4.00<br />
So his total ERA+ (Home and Away) = (4.0 + 5.0)/2 = 4.5</p>
<p>If a Yankee pitcher has an ERA of 4.0 at HOME and<br />
If a Yankee pitcher has an ERA of 4.0 at AWAY<br />
His HOME games ERA+ is calculated as: 4.0/1.25 = 3.2<br />
His AWAY games ERA+ is the same as his ERA: 4.00<br />
So his total ERA+ (Home and Away) = (4.0 + 3.2)/2 = 3.6</p>
<p>So&#8230; both pitchers have and ERA (not adjusted) of 4.0<br />
Because it&#8217;s easier to score runs at Yankee (and therefore a disadvantage for the pitcher) is ERA+ is 3.6<br />
Because it&#8217;s harder to score runs at Shea (and therefore ad advantage for the pitcher) is ERA+ is 4.5</p>
<p>HOWEVER, if NEXT year, by coincidence, the those teams score<br />
800 and Yankee and 1000 at Shea, for that year, the Park Factors would be reversed of the first case.</p>
<p>So it is NOT scientific, but based SOLELY on the ACTUAL RUNS scored in that year, by each park.</p>
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		<title>By: hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Iâ€™d be curious to hear how the adjusted ERA stat quantifies differences in sizes and layouts of a pitcherâ€™s ballpark, talent and peformance disparities in AL v. NL, and the quality of the defense behind him.&quot;

it does not account for defense.  you&#039;d have to dig deeper for other pitching stats to try to tease out the effect of defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iâ€™d be curious to hear how the adjusted ERA stat quantifies differences in sizes and layouts of a pitcherâ€™s ballpark, talent and peformance disparities in AL v. NL, and the quality of the defense behind him.&#8221;</p>
<p>it does not account for defense.  you&#8217;d have to dig deeper for other pitching stats to try to tease out the effect of defense.</p>
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		<title>By: Kill-Schill(ing)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kill-Schill(ing)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to see another GM fleece Billy Beane for a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to see another GM fleece Billy Beane for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: Kill-Schill(ing)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kill-Schill(ing)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification.  

I&#039;d be curious to hear how the adjusted ERA stat quantifies differences in sizes and layouts of a pitcher&#039;s ballpark, talent and peformance disparities in AL v. NL, and the quality of the defense behind him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be curious to hear how the adjusted ERA stat quantifies differences in sizes and layouts of a pitcher&#8217;s ballpark, talent and peformance disparities in AL v. NL, and the quality of the defense behind him.</p>
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		<title>By: hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But if it cost the Yankees a Marquez and a throw-in like Eric Duncan or Rasner or someone of that caliber, I certainly would consider it. Iâ€™d have to know first how highly the Yankees value Marquez and whether they foresee him to be better, one day, than Blanton. If not, Iâ€™d trade him.&quot;

yes, i would do that trade in a heartbeat, and so would the Yankees.  i think the Yankees would do McCutchen for Blanton as well.  

but i don&#039;t think the A&#039;s would.

the A&#039;s would be looking for guys like Tabata, Jackson, Betances, etc.   

then it gets cloudier.  

i agree, Blanton would help the Yankees in 2008.  but i don&#039;t know if i&#039;d start giving up 2-3 top prospects for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But if it cost the Yankees a Marquez and a throw-in like Eric Duncan or Rasner or someone of that caliber, I certainly would consider it. Iâ€™d have to know first how highly the Yankees value Marquez and whether they foresee him to be better, one day, than Blanton. If not, Iâ€™d trade him.&#8221;</p>
<p>yes, i would do that trade in a heartbeat, and so would the Yankees.  i think the Yankees would do McCutchen for Blanton as well.  </p>
<p>but i don&#8217;t think the A&#8217;s would.</p>
<p>the A&#8217;s would be looking for guys like Tabata, Jackson, Betances, etc.   </p>
<p>then it gets cloudier.  </p>
<p>i agree, Blanton would help the Yankees in 2008.  but i don&#8217;t know if i&#8217;d start giving up 2-3 top prospects for him.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kill-Schill,

ERA + (or adjusted ERA) is a useful stat, especially for pitchers who pitch in parks that tend to favor pitching or hitting to an extreme.  

It basically &quot;normalizes&quot; a pitchers ERA.  Basically is compares one pitchers ERA&#039;s to other pitchers ERA&#039;s and adjusts for ball park and league related factors.  

Here&#039;s a definition from the hard ball times:

ERA+ 
    ERA measured against the league average, and adjusted for ballpark factors. An ERA+ over 100 is better than average, less than 100 is below average.

So in Blanton&#039;s case I think this statistic tells you a lot becuae of McAffee park and how it helps pitching.  His ERA+ last year was 106.  That&#039;s just a hair above average.  The year below his ERA+ was 92 - a hair below average.  

Blanton is a league average pitcher.  Almost to a T.  Sure he eats innings but while he&#039;s eating those innings he&#039;s only going to give you an average performance.  

Given the scarcity of pitching that&#039;s not bad.  Especially if you are team like the Reds and you&#039;re desperate for a starter.

But its hardly worth what Beane is asking.  

Fortunately, the yankees may be through with the day where they had to make bad moves out of desperation for average pitchers like blanton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kill-Schill,</p>
<p>ERA + (or adjusted ERA) is a useful stat, especially for pitchers who pitch in parks that tend to favor pitching or hitting to an extreme.  </p>
<p>It basically &#8220;normalizes&#8221; a pitchers ERA.  Basically is compares one pitchers ERA&#8217;s to other pitchers ERA&#8217;s and adjusts for ball park and league related factors.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a definition from the hard ball times:</p>
<p>ERA+<br />
    ERA measured against the league average, and adjusted for ballpark factors. An ERA+ over 100 is better than average, less than 100 is below average.</p>
<p>So in Blanton&#8217;s case I think this statistic tells you a lot becuae of McAffee park and how it helps pitching.  His ERA+ last year was 106.  That&#8217;s just a hair above average.  The year below his ERA+ was 92 &#8211; a hair below average.  </p>
<p>Blanton is a league average pitcher.  Almost to a T.  Sure he eats innings but while he&#8217;s eating those innings he&#8217;s only going to give you an average performance.  </p>
<p>Given the scarcity of pitching that&#8217;s not bad.  Especially if you are team like the Reds and you&#8217;re desperate for a starter.</p>
<p>But its hardly worth what Beane is asking.  </p>
<p>Fortunately, the yankees may be through with the day where they had to make bad moves out of desperation for average pitchers like blanton.</p>
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