Update on CMW’s arbitration hearing
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Little bit of an update here. Spoke to Alan Chang, who is one of Alan Nero’s associates and focuses much of his attention on Chien-Ming Wang.
He said that the hearing was not combative and that Wang understood and accepted the process. Winning or losing the case won’t change how he goes about his business.
“Chien-Ming was comfortable with everything,” Chang said. “It went well.”
Remember, Wang had the hammer when he was a college player in Taiwan and had teams bidding for him to sign. He understands how business works.
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“He understand how business works.”
hehe sounds like the wanger himself wrote this
Heh, this makes it sound like it’s par for the course.
I’m glad that the arbitration isn’t going to be an issue for Wang.
Good that he took it the smart way.
But still, I don’t understand why the Yankees went to a hearing for 600k.
Yeah I also am a little confused why they would go to arbitration over $600k.. Peter any reason? I read Theo Epstein has never gone to arbitration with a player, I assume that is true…
I guess the $600,000 wasn’t the point for Cashman; it’s apparently a corporate line in the sand. Maybe because Cashman has so much home grown pitching, he feels they will be facing arbitration with young players again and again for the foreseeable future and he wants to establish the ground rules now.
Barry Bonds tested positive in 2001 right after he hit a record 73 homers
They finished with the Clemens story now they are back with the story on Bonds. Wonder if anybody cares anymore.
Could it be that the arbitration is over the length of the deal? Or is arbitration solely a monetary thing?
Whatevered, is this confirmed?
“Or is arbitration solely a monetary thing?”
Solely a money thing. Always a one-year deal in arbitration.
CMW’s camp may have refused to budge from the 4.6 number unless Cash brought more years into the picture, that’s possible. Or, Cash wanted to set a bit of a hard-line precedent. If Scott Kazmir is only getting 3.875 next year, I have a hard time justifying paying Wang more. Kazmir’s a better pitcher and he’s lefty, and he’s younger.
I hope Hughes, Kennedy & Chamberlain come along so we can trade the Wanger and get something for him before it’s too late. I know he wins games, but he’s not an Ace and wants to be paid like one. Those 19 wins are for the best offense in BB. A sinkerball pitcher is not worth a big contract, especially one who chokes in October.
Question: $600,000 is how many times your annual salary?
Phil on 880 now!! TUNE IN!
Chris: About 600,000x greater. It’s what happens when you’re an ickle student like me.
SAN FRANCISCO — Barry Bonds tested positive for steroids in November 2001, just a month after hitting his record 73rd home run of the season, U.S. prosecutors said on Thursday.
The allegation came in a legal filing in his steroid perjury case that referred to Bonds’ long-time trainer, Greg Anderson.
“At trial, the government’s evidence will show that Bonds received steroids from Anderson in the period before the November 2001 positive drug test, and that evidence raises the inference that Anderson gave Bonds the steroids that caused him to test positive in November 2001,” U.S. Attorney Joseph Russoniello wrote.
The U.S. government made the assertion in a document that asked a federal court to reject Bonds’ motion last month to dismiss the charges that he lied about past steroid use.
In December, the record seven-time National League Most Valuable Player pleaded not guilty to lying to a federal grand jury in 2003 when he denied using performance-enhancing drugs.
He testified in the BALCO sports steroid case, which ended up jailing his personal trainer, Anderson, and the head of the BALCO lab near San Francisco.
The latest government motion also referred to a question by a prosecutor during the BALCO case to “determine why Bonds apparently tested positive for anabolic steroids in November 2000.”
To date, prosecutors have revealed little about the details they have in the case against Bonds, the greatest hitter of his era long dogged by suspicions about doping.
“Those 19 wins are for the best offense in BB.”
Yes. That 3.70 ERA with a middling defensive shortstop for a groundballer is AWFUL. And pitching around 6 2/3 innings per start can’t have anything to do with it either.
Idiot.
Barry Bonds tested positive in 2001 right after he hit a record 73 homers.
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What ? He did ? I never realized this. Why wasn’t I informed ?
Pete:
Wang wants to get paid like an ace. You mean like Johan Santana? He’s getting $18 million a year. Wang is seeking $4.6 million. Oh by the way, he leads the Yankees in starts, wins and innings over the last two years.
A sinkerball pitcher is not worth a big contract? You mean like Roy Halladay? Or Jake Peavy?
Meanwhile, Wang won their only postseason game in 2006. He was great then. But he pitched badly last year so now he’s a bum?
Other than that, your comment was perfect.
Rebecca, same here. Being a grad student is tantamount to being a slave.
“Wang won their only postseason game in 2006. He was great then.”
Great? are you sure Peter A.
Nailing our heroes. I was never much of a Clemens or Bonds fan. But I hate seeing our heroes brought down. I worshiped Mickey Mantle when I was growing up and I knew he had all kinds of flaws. But I loved what he did on the field. There is something wrong with a society that destroys its heroes. Something vitally wrong. I am not saying that these guys are all good and pristine, living on earth that is almost impossible. But as a fan I take that into account. Destroying a person’s life is not fun to watch no matter who it is. I may not believe Clemens. But I sure do not believe in a person like Brian McNamee. He is not a hero to me.
Chris: I’m applying to grad school now. Where are you/what are you studying/any advice?
Peavy throws a sinker but he’s not a sinkerball pitcher, he’s a strikeout pitcher.
I don’t disagree with you though Pete, if he gets results (which he does) pay the man.
*takes that as a resounding no*
Bronx Born:
Ah, the death of heroes. Every culture has done it since the beginning of time. But let’s not forget that Clemens is implicated in PED use, probably driven by greed, hubris and/or vanity … a few deadly sins there. So in fact he, not society, may have brought himself down when all is said and done.
Mantle took drugs too I suppose, booze counts. But he was diminishing his gifts, the opposite of what Clemens allegedly did, while Mantle also frittered away the love and affection of family and friends. We need to constantly revisit our heroes. Mantle thrilled us on the field and let us hold onto being a little boy a little longer. It’s just too bad he grew up so late.
Chris: Not to sound like a grumpy old relative, but you have it easy. When you don’t have any free time to spend your money, salary really isn’t a consideration.
Yes I know Murphydog. I know all too well. It just is sad. Like I said am not a Clemens fan. And yes he brought this on himself, I have no doubt. We are responsible for the condition we are in that is for sure. I suppose part of my dismay is watching our current government destroy what our founding fathers created. It is not just Clemens. It is the erosion of civil rights that is happening as Clemens was being slammed. Thanks for listening.
wheres big papi in the mitchell report? no way your turn from a scrub into an all star just by tweaking your swing. maybe one of them “dominican protein shakes” have something to do with it.
Rebecca: In a lot of fields, grad school won’t noticeably increase your job prospects or average salary. And if, like the majority of college graduates, you have a change of heart and decide you want to enter an entirely different line of work, your ma/ms may not be worth the decorative frame it’s hung up in.
Not trying to be a wet blanket or anything. You may very well know exactly what you want to do, and you could have done your due diligence on job prospects with/without a masters in that field. Just saying.
Red Sox fan, but this is pretty funny:
“In 2005, Papelbon had his first call up and Johnny Damon left the team. So I took the number eight from Damon’s jersey and the number five left over from an old Garciappara jersey and made a Papelbon jersey.
It was a little risky, given the fact that Papelbon only had 34 innings of major league experience, but he looked like a solid prospect to me. And two years later, I couldn’t be happier with the choice. It hasn’t just been Papelbon’s performance which I’ve been pleased with. You can tell that he has fun. The guy’s straight up crazy and doesn’t give a shit what people think about it. That’s my kind of guy.
Remember in little league when people used to say that the point of playing ball was to have fun? What ever happened to that?”
It’s from oldetownglory.blogspot.com. The guy comments here pretty frequently and is decent for a Sox fan.
Rebecca,
I have two master’s and use neither in my current profession — so be wary of going to school for the degree alone. It does help in terms of government jobs, as far as entry levels go, but experience is also very valuable and costs a lot less in time and money.
Anyone know what this year’s team motto is? I personally think “Where players become legends” is a little lame, but “Pride, Power, Pinstripes” was kinda cool.
Bronx Born:
Don’t despair too much. A congressional hearing is in no way a reliable barometer of how people think in real life in these here United States. Wait… that’s actually bad news…. OK, despair!
Rayblay:
Yankee motto for 2008? How about: “Just say ‘No’ to drugs”
From an article a few days ago (and I can’t find the link), Wang’s agent was quoted as saying they were seeking a long-term deal. The refusal to budge from the submitted figure was an attempt to get the Yanks to the table to discuss the longer deal.
murphydog-
lol… pettitte and giambi can be the major representatives of this one
I really think this should be over already and we should get to some real baseball talk. How about
“where Yankees become champions”
?
Wang should just pull a hamstring out of ST.
One piece of Roger’s testimony yesterday seemed contradictory, and I haven’t heard anyone pick up on it.
Roger said (paraphrasing):
-Andy misunderstood their original conversation about HGH (ok, it’s possible, and Andy even concludes this may well be the case)
-If Andy really thought Roger did HGH, they were close enough friends that Andy would have consulted with him about it. Roger made this point repeatedly.
BUT, Roger is saying Andy really DID think Roger did HGH (based on mishearing their original conversation).
So Roger seems to be saying that Andy thought Roger did HGH (because he misheard) and he did not think Roger did it (otherwise Andy would have consulted with him prior to doing HGH himself).
I thought Andy’s and Roger’s testimonies were surprisingly consistent, other than this point.
I’m still surprised the Yankees let it get to this over a surprisingly small amount of money difference.
oh yah, idiot, how many wins did Kazmir have last 2 seasons?
wanger had 38. try to beat that.
Jose Valverde, the Astros closer, is going to get more money out of arbitration than Wang will. That’s just wrong.
Wang will get 4.0 million or 4.6 million.
Valverde will get 4.7 million or 6.2 million.
Valverde had a great year in 2007, no doubt. But the guy was terrible in 2006 and was banished to the minors at one point. Plus he pitches a low number of innings since he is a closer. How can he even be worth 4.7 million? He is totally going to lose his case. The Astros should have filed in the 3 million range, or low 4’s for Valverde.
MY guess is Valverde loses, and Wang wins. Yet Valverde still comes out with more money.
hmm, i believe this drug thing was viral. once enough players started use, it became almost imperative to the clean competition to begin use, just to level the playing field. doesn’t make it right, just makes it so. with millions of dollars at stake, and wanting your share you have to perform at a level or nearly so, that the top perform to. if they take PEDs what do you do?
Taquito, Valverde is in his 2nd year of arbitration while Wang is in his first. Your salary gets compared to other players in the same arbitration year as you.
Last year Valverde made $2 million. So even if Wang loses, he’s making double what Valverde made in his first arbitration year. Wang will probably make more like $8 million next year, assuming this year is similar to the past two.