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Posada: I believe Clemens

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Feb 15, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

No catcher has caught Roger Clemens more than Jorge Posada – 155 games. Posada today said he believes Clemens when he says he didn’t use performance-enhancing drugs.

“I’m supportive,” Posada said. “He says he never took it and I’m behind him 100 percent. Rocket is one of my favorite teammates ever. It doesn’t take anything away from what he did. For me, he’s the best pitcher I ever caught and it doesn’t change that.”

Posada on Joe Girardi: “Joe Torre was the probably the best for us. Joe Torre for me was a father figure and we’re going to miss him dearly. He’s a great man. But Joe Girardi brings a little different (style). He’s a hands-on guy. He’s going to be a little more critical. He’s going to be a little tougher on us than we’ve had in the past.”

Posada also said there were days this winter when he thought he would be playing for the Mets. “The Mets were really, really involved,” he said.

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161 Responses to “Posada: I believe Clemens”

  1. DMan February 15th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Girardi will definitly be more hands on.. That’s going to give a different feel to this team then in years past.

  2. hmmm (kinder, gentler version) February 15th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    “He’s going to be a little more critical. He’s going to be a little tougher on us than we’ve had in the past.”

    Thank God.

    hopefully the approach leads to a successful April/May, instead of using 2 months to play into shape because there was no pressure to come to ST prepared.

  3. Phil February 15th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    I’m not sure he really believes he would have been a Met.

  4. papaczin February 15th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    So who does he belive rocket of andy?

  5. SJ44 February 15th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Music to my ears.

    Its the biggest complaint I had (aside from bullpen misuse) of the last 4 seasons of Joe Torre’s reign as Yankee Manager.

    Spring training became a vacation and not a vehicle to get ready for the season.

    The AL, in particular the AL East, is a different animal.

    You can float through ST if you are a NL team. Its not a tough league.

    The AL? You mail in the first 2 months of the season, which the Yankees have 3 of the last 4 years, and you dig yourself a deep hole.

    Sometimes you get out of it. Sometimes you don’t.

    Sometimes, like and NBA team fighting back after a huge deficit, you get back in the game. Only to fade down the stretch.

    Regardless of the issues this team may have had the past 4 years, a 4-13 post-season record since Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS is completely unacceptable.

    They are better than that.

    Joe Girardi isn’t going to screw around. If guys aren’t prepared, they will sit.

    Doesn’t matter who they are, Girardi won’t back down.

    Didn’t as a player, won’t as a manager.

  6. Count of Montefusco February 15th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    I don’t think this needs to be parsed too carefully to argue that he never says he “believes” Clemens.

    What he says instead: “He says he never took it and I’m behind him 100 percent.” Which is something else altogether.

    A guy like Jorgie (a la Jeter) would have rehearsed exactly what to say with regard to this mess, he knows what a minefield it is.

  7. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 15th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    I’m really really stoked about Girardi being manager.

    I am not so stoked about !$#@#@$ jack-arses jackhammering outside my building at 8 AM on the one day of the week I can sleep in.

  8. Marc February 15th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Differences between the two Joe.

    1. Moose will not be the #4 pitcher starting the season if IPK pithces better in ST.

    2. Joe G will not use the same bullpen every night.

    3. Joe G will not bring Mo in with a 4 run lead.

    4. Joe G will give Shelly an opportunity at 1st.

    5. Joe G will have players bunt in the 6th inning in a tie game.

    6. Joe G will move Damon out of the leadoff spot for either Cabrerra or Cano.

  9. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge February 15th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    FInally got my tickets to all threee games in July!

  10. Pat February 15th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Marc I certainly hope you are wrong with #5 and #6, both are horrible ideas.

  11. KarenJ February 15th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    papaczin, you’re right. You’d think Jorge’s statement about Roger Clemens would be almost inflammatory. Pettitte is going to be pitching to him this year, but not Clemens. I can’t imagine Jorge’s comments have gone over very well in the Pettitte household. There’s been entirely too much of players keeping their thoughts to themselves over the past 15 years, but this is one instance maybe Posada shouldn’t have said anything.

  12. whoa February 15th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    I wish that Posada would have exercised his Fifth Amendment rights.

  13. ryanloghry February 15th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    I hope they have a hot start this year. It’s been killing me the last couple of years, falling back 8 or 9 games. Here’s hoping we look back on June 1st and we’re 9 games up on Boston for a change.

  14. KarenJ February 15th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    And you’re right, too, Count of Montefusco. Posada’s quote above never says anything about believing. It was Pete’s conclusion just before that: “Posada today said he believes Clemens when he says he didn’t use performance-enhancing drugs.”

  15. Marc February 15th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    Pat,

    If Damon hits .250, should he lead off?

  16. Little Chip February 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    KarenJ,

    I agree – he shouldn’t have said anything.

  17. PAT February 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    also take note that Girardi isn’t calling up Bernie telling him to come to spring training!

  18. MikeEff - Shelley at First February 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    congrats jennifer!!

    it can be so frustrating trying to get through

    it took me hours on the first day they were selling the holiday packs.

  19. SJ44 February 15th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Robinson Cano will never be a leadoff hitter with the Yankees.

    He has a better chance of batting cleanup than hitting leadoff.

    Cabrera? Only if he can increase his OBP.

    Joe Girardi loves Johnny Damon as a player. He will do whatever he can to keep Damon in the lineup.

    Its why he has been saying since he took over that Damon is his leadoff hitter. and starting LF.

    Frankly, I think Damon is going to have a bounceback year.

    If he hits like he did the second half of the season, he won’t be hitting .250 this season.

  20. whozat February 15th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    “If Damon hits .250, should he lead off?”

    What does that have to do with Melky or Robbie leading off in his place? Melky’s OBP (the stat that matters most for a leadoff guy) was worse than Damon’s last year. Robbie’s was about the same, and neither works the count like Johnny either.

    If you’d said Jeter, that would be a debate worth having. But Melky or Robbie? Unless Melky starts showing the plate discipline he had in 06 (which he might) and Johnny’s ability to get on base falls off precipitously, that just makes no sense.

  21. MikeEff - Shelley at First February 15th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    and yeah, i’m with you pat as far as sac bunts go. it’s a crime to waste an out 90% of the time

  22. raymagnetic â„¢ February 15th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    “I wish that Posada would have exercised his Fifth Amendment rights.”

    His rights in a criminal case to be a witness against himself?

  23. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge February 15th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Thanks, I had better seats earlier and lost them :( Oh well. Now I have to get together wiht my friend and purchase airline tickets.

  24. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 15th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Am I the only one that would actually rather see Damon in LF than Matsui?

    Don’t get me wrong, I love Matsui, but I think Damon’s a better fielder in left, especially at home.

  25. whozat February 15th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    “and yeah, i’m with you pat as far as sac bunts go. it’s a crime to waste an out 90% of the time”

    Especially when you have a team of guys who hit .280 or better and get on base 35 – 40 percent of the time.

  26. whozat February 15th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    “Am I the only one that would actually rather see Damon in LF than Matsui?”

    Where’d you get that impression?

    If I had to pick, I’d rather see Matsui’s bat in the lineup than Damon’s, but I’d rather see Damon’s glove and legs in LF than Matsui’s.

  27. SJ44 February 15th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Damon is a better LF than Matsui. The OF defense really improved when Damon became the everyday LF.

    For a team now developing their young pitchers, OF defense is going to be important. Its why I don’t see Matsui supplanting Damon in LF.

    With Matsui’s knee a question mark, I think the only place you can use him is as a DH.

    Its why I am hoping the Big G shows up ready to play a lot of first base.

    That would require him to come to camp in much better shape than he has the past couple of seasons.

  28. MikeEff - Shelley at First February 15th, 2008 at 11:24 am


    Especially when you have a team of guys who hit .280 or better and get on base 35 – 40 percent of the time.”

    yeah, this isn’t the NL !

  29. MikeEff - Shelley at First February 15th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    i’m hoping a platoon of giambi and shelley at first. hopefully tino will have an nice influence on shelley’s glove.
    giambi might just be the sleeper of the year

  30. hmmm (kinder, gentler version) February 15th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    “If Damon hits .250, should he lead off?”

    what’s his OBP?

    is his body in shape to steal bases?

    the answer is: maybe.

  31. dan l February 15th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    Based on last year Abreu should lead off only against righties and sit against lefties.

  32. Clay Bellinger February 15th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    I don’t think there is any chance that Giambino could play 1B more than 2 times a week. He is so immobile now and can not play the field or run for that matter without injuring himself. I would love it if he could but I just don’t see it.

    As far as Girardi, I like the new attitude he is bringing into the spring, but I dont think he will be benching veterans. Mussina will be in the rotation to start the year, no matter what his numbers are like this spring.

  33. Pat February 15th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Marc,

    You should really look at .OBP when deciding what leadoff hitter to use.
    avg obp
    Damon: .285 .359 2006 season
    .270 .351 2007 season
    .288 .351 Career

    Cano: .342 .365 2006 season
    .306 .353 2007 season
    .314 .346 Career

    Abreu .297 .423 2006 season
    .283 .369 2007 season
    .300 .408 Career

    Jeter .343 .417 2006 season
    .322 .388 2007 season
    .317 .388 Career

    Cabrera .280 .360 2006 season
    .273 .327 2007 season
    .275 .340 Career

    Jeter or Abreu would be the best leadoff hitters according to their career numbers and most recent seasons. Cano has to have a huge average to even come close to Damon’s OBP and you really can’t expect Robbie to hit .340 every year. Also I think Cano’s ability to hit for a higher SLG would be more valuable lower in the lineup. If you had said that Joe G wouldn’t hesitate to put Abreu or Jeter as leadoff instead of Damon I would have agreed.

  34. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge February 15th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Plus Mike usually starts slow.

  35. Pat February 15th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Doh the formatting of my awesome table got all messed up. First column of numbers is average, second is obp if that’s not apparent.

  36. raymagnetic â„¢ February 15th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    “Based on last year Abreu should lead off only against righties and sit against lefties.”

    Yes, because a player of Abreu’s caliber should be judged by what he does one year out of a 12 year career and not on his career averages.

  37. E-ROC February 15th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    I wonder if Andy Pettitte would retire instead of pitching in 2008.

  38. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 15th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Okay, I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t the only one that thought that :-)

    As for Cano and Cabrera, I would love to see Cano learn how to properly run the bases; he’s got everything else. If Cabrera can improve his OBP he’s the type of hitter that could make a good lead off guy, but then again, he’s got to improve his OBP. I like him in the nine-hole, though, because when he’s acting lead-offish, it’s like we have two lead off hitters in a row.

    Oh, the blessings of the DH…

  39. Say it ain't so February 15th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    I think Damon’s better at tracking a ball than Matsui is.

    Unless I’m missing something, Jorge did say “I believe Clemens.”

  40. SJ44 February 15th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    E-ROC,

    No. He will pitch this year.

  41. Pat February 15th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Rebecca I agree with you but I also think Cano should be able to improve his OBP. He has a Vlad-like approach at the plate, he definitely needs to get better at picking what pitches to swing at. His career OBP is only 30 points above his career AVG which is crazy. I think Cano has the potential to OBP like Jeter and hit 30 homers a year.

  42. hmmm (kinder, gentler version) February 15th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    “Unless I’m missing something, Jorge did say “I believe Clemens.””

    read it again. it’s implied, but never said outright:

    “I’m supportive,” Posasa said. “He says he never took it and I’m behind him 100 percent. Rocket is one of my favorite teammates ever. It doesn’t take anything away from what he did. For me, he’s the best pitcher I ever caught and it doesn’t change that.”

  43. whozat February 15th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    “Rebecca I agree with you but I also think Cano should be able to improve his OBP.”

    Ok.

    But he needs to DO that before it would even begin to make sense to bat him leadoff. And, even so, it would still waste his RBI potential. He drives the ball enough that he can bring guys around from 2nd…why lead that guy off?

  44. Pat February 15th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    whozat I don’t understand what you are arguing with, I was the first one to respond to Marc saying it’s a bad idea to bat Cano leadoff. Scroll up, I made a list of Cano, Jeter, Melky, Abreu and Damon’s AVG and OBP numbers for their career, 2006 and 2007. Going strictly by those numbers Abreu would be the best leadoff hitter followed by Jeter, Damon, Cano and finally Melky. Obviously Abreu is well suited to bat third in front of A-rod and I agree Cano’s power is better utilized lower in the order as well. So the choice should be between Damon and Jeter and for whatever reason Jeter is entrenched in the number two spot. That leaves Damon who is a very good leadoff hitter but not the best option on the team.

  45. E-ROC February 15th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    hmmm, why are you the “kinder, gentler version?”

  46. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 15th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    I don’t think Cano is right for the lead off spot. He’s got too much power and I think has the stuff to be a five hitter, or maybe, a long way in the future on the A-Rod-less Yanks, a clean-up man.

  47. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge February 15th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Yeah Pete’s headline is misleading.

  48. whoa February 15th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    At this risk of being labeled an apostate, the negative effect that Jeter’s defense could have on the development of the Big Three concerns me a lot.

  49. Pat February 15th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Rebecca, I agree with you about Cano being a 5 hitter. I think Girardi should take a chance and put him there this season in fact.

  50. whozat February 15th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    “whozat I don’t understand what you are arguing with”

    Got you two mixed up. Sorry :-)

  51. Pat February 15th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    whozat, his defense hasn’t effected Wang that much and Wang is obviously more dependent on him than Kennedy/Hughes/Chamberlain will be.

  52. 2708 February 15th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    A friend of mine brought up this senario… what if Roger was going to take HGH but was afraid so he first talked his wife into trying it to see what kind of effects it may have had. When she complained of circulation problems, he changed his mind. I know it sounds a little crazy but why else would he allow his wife to be shot with anything?

  53. mel February 15th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Good morning, all.

    Isn’t Cano our worse baserunner?

    Also, Cano is much better now with men in scoring position.

    Remember his first full season? His men in scoring position average was awful.

    Cano’s improved in a lot of areas. Maybe there’s hope for his baserunning.

  54. whozat February 15th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    “whozat, his defense hasn’t effected Wang that much and Wang is obviously more dependent on him than Kennedy/Hughes/Chamberlain will be.”

    ??

    Did you confuse me with someone else too?

    Did I talk about Cano’s defense anywhere?

  55. Say it ain't so February 15th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    In the audio, Posada says “Clemens is the guy I believe”, isn’t that the same thing as saying “I believe Clemens”?

  56. whozat February 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Oh, you were talking to Whoa, who was talking about Jeter’s D.

    And Jeter’s D _has_ affected Wang, I think. I don’t think any of the 3 young guys are big groundballers, so I don’t think it’ll have a hugely detrimental effect on them, any more than it affects Yankee pitching in general.

  57. murphydog February 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Ahhhh, that’s better. At this post I can smell the cut grass and hear crack of the bat and the cleats scratching the hard surfaces and feel the warm sun competing with the chilly breezes. There will be baseball this year.

  58. hmmm (kinder, gentler version) February 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    “hmmm, why are you the “kinder, gentler version?””

    i was told that i argue too much and it discourages people from posting.

    that’s not something i want to do.

    ok, maybe some people. j/k. kindof.

  59. hmmm (kinder, gentler version) February 15th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    “In the audio, Posada says “Clemens is the guy I believe”, isn’t that the same thing as saying “I believe Clemens”?”

    Ahh, i see. yes, it is.

    i was lazy and did not listen to the audio.

  60. gayle February 15th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    So I was looking at the photos posted on Newsday from yesterday and it looks to me like Edwar Ramirez ate a few meals this off season looks pretty darn good. No idea how is arm is but he doesnt look like he is wasting away as much.

  61. hmmm (kinder, gentler version) February 15th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    ” friend of mine brought up this senario… what if Roger was going to take HGH but was afraid so he first talked his wife into trying it to see what kind of effects it may have had.”

    to be honest, i would prefer the scenario that he simply took HGH to become a better baseball player than this scenario.

  62. murphydog February 15th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    2708:

    Interesting theory… if you’re Dr. Mengele (just kidding).

    Can you imagine that conversation?

    “Uh Honey.. I was thinking about trying this new drug Brian offered me, but I’m not sure how it might affect me. It could be bad, you know? So would you be a peach and shoot it up a few times and let me know? OK, gotta go. Love ya.”

  63. mel February 15th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    murphydog,

    Didn’t you hear? Congress is shutting down baseball until Clemens or McNamee ‘fesses up.

  64. Pat February 15th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Whozat, where did I mention Cano in that post? You need better reading comprehension my friend. I was responding to you talking about Jeter’s defense affecting the “big 3″. My response is that Wang has been successful with Jeter as a shortstop and that Wang is more dependent on infield defense than any of the big 3. If he can be successful despite Jeter then there is no reason the big 3 can’t other than their own talent. Perhaps Jeter’s defense causes all pitchers to have a slightly higher ERA but he isn’t going to make or break them.

  65. Pat February 15th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Oh sorry, yeah I was talking to “whoa” you guys have really similar names

  66. E-ROC February 15th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Oh ok, hmmm. The original version is better, but I’ll settle for newer version. ;)

  67. Trish February 15th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Pete got it right.
    At 4:00 into the audio, Jorge says “I believe Rocket, he’s the guy I believe.”

  68. raymagnetic â„¢ February 15th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    “Whozat, where did I mention Cano in that post? You need better reading comprehension my friend. I was responding to you talking about Jeter’s defense affecting the “big 3″.”

    The thing is, it wasn’t Whozat that mentioned Jeter’s defense it was Whoa.

  69. 2708 February 15th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    One of the most popular stun guns were invented at a guys kitchen table. He asked his wife if he could test it on her, she said try it on the dog and if it doesnt kill it, i will let you try it on me. It didnt kill the dog or her and now he is a very wealthy man. It really is crazy what people will do for each other but for her to take HGH just to tone up sounds absolutly absurd and there has to be more to it.

  70. murphydog February 15th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    mel:

    “Didn’t you hear? Congress is shutting down baseball until Clemens or McNamee ‘fesses up.”

    And exactly what time is hell freezing over?

  71. murphydog February 15th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    2708:

    Does stun gun’s wife have a sister?

  72. mel February 15th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    I believe in freedom of speech, but I’ve often found the tight lid policy of the Yankees to be a good one. It’s professional and your dirty laundry stays out of the public eye.

    Now I love Jorge, but he’s said some things that rub people the wrong way. Like he dissed Wang, when he said we gotta get Santana because we need an ace (I know it’s true, but a little diplomacy please).

    Now he says he has Roger’s back. Well, Roger’s story is the diametric opposite of Jorge’s current teammate, Andy Pettitte. So if Jorge’s “100%” behind Clemens, that doesn’t leave much support for Andy.

    Tact makes the world go ’round.

  73. 2708 February 15th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Murph,
    Thats Hilarious…

  74. Will February 15th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    The idea of Jorge wearing the Mets orange and blue and black makes me want to vomit in blood…

    But he’s a little naive if he believes Clemens, well-intentioned, but naive.

  75. rodg12 February 15th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    mel – That comment about Clemens story begin diametric to Pettitte’s is just not true. Read the deposition. The media is portraying this whole thing absolutely horribly. Pettitte actually backed up Clemens account of things in a few comments. Here’s what Will Carroll said about the whole debacle at BP yesterday…..

    “A potential key to yesterday’s proceedings was the inexplicable absence of Andy Pettitte. Several Congressmen, most notably Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD), pointed to Andy Pettitte’s testimony in sworn affidavits as the tipping point for their divinations. However, Pettitte’s testimony is hardly the slam-dunk takedown of Clemens that it was made out to be. Pettitte, in many places, actually corroborates Clemens’s version. Pettitte himself says that after discussing the use of PEDs with Clemens, he felt that “when Roger told me that he didn’t take it [HGH] and I misunderstood him, I took it for that, that I misunderstood him” (Pettitte, p. 28). Pettitte barely recalls the initial conversation, but states that it was in passing—that Clemens “heard that it worked.” At no point—no point—does Pettitte ever state, even in passing, that he knew or saw the use of any substance by Clemens. There are certainly elements of Pettitte’s testimony that are problematic for Clemens, but I think as much as anything, the opportunity to hear Pettitte in person could have made or broken yesterday’s hearings.”

  76. YankeesBen February 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Mel you’re absolutly right. Besides even I really want to belive roger I can’t.

  77. Wolf In Pinstripes February 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    “i was told that i argue too much and it discourages people from posting.”

    You also hog all the best colors from the candy bowl and leave the crummy ones for everyone else. But hey – that’s just my opinion. ;)

    In all seriousness, you’re an obvious favorite of many people here, hmmm. When I see people critique your contributions to discussion, I just laugh.

    Now…. baseball. Aaaaaahhhhh. Smell that grass, murph. Oh yeah.

  78. Say it ain't so February 15th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    I understand that Jorge feels he needs to protect his friends and it’s tough to believe something bad about one of those friends. He’s allowed to say whatever he wants, but I agree, he needs to realize that Clemens is no longer on his team – Andy is.

  79. whozat February 15th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    “i was told that i argue too much and it discourages people from posting. ”

    It only discourages the people who have unsubstantiated (and unsubstantiatable) opinions from posting.

  80. Y's Guy February 15th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    damon and jeter are also great baserunners which favors them over melky and cano for leading off

  81. mel February 15th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    rodg,

    You’re right. I shouldn’t have used “diametric” because I didn’t read the depos.

    But the jist of it is that Andy said one thing and Clemens said that Andy “misremembered”.

    That leads me to believe that Andy said something that was damaging to Clemens and Roger is denying Andy’s characterization of the situation.

  82. mel February 15th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    I think that hmmmm has an alter ego named hmmmmm. Nice to see the real one come out. :)

  83. Wolf In Pinstripes February 15th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    That’s encouraging news if Edwar has put some weight on. Maybe now he can develop his fastball into a more effective pitch so he doesn’t have to rely on the dominant changeup so much.

  84. SJ44 February 15th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Here’s what Roger should have done when this first hit the fan……

    “I tried HGH a couple of times, it did nothing for me and I stopped”.

    “This guy McNamee is full of crap. He never injected me 16 times with anything. He gave me a couple of shots and that’s it”.

    If he did that, NOBODY would be on McNamee’s side and Clemens wouldn’t be in the jackpot he is in right now.

    Instead, he went on the deny offensive and, in retrospect, it seems like the riskier strategy.

    I think the “worry” about Pettitte is overblown. He’s going to pitch this year and pitch well. As long as he is healthy.

    The Yankees have been prepared for this the entire off-season. So has Pettitte.

    I think telling his side will end up being the best thing for him. He will say what he has to say on Monday and get back to business.

    He’s not retiring. Stop listening to Mike and the Mad Dog. They have no idea what they are talking about.

    Andy Pettitte KNEW he was going to be in the Mitchell Report. He also knew what that would mean.

    If he was going to retire, he would have done so prior to the Report coming out.

    He will deal with it and move on. I don’t see him running from it.

  85. mel February 15th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    And of course there’s hmmm.

  86. gayle February 15th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    Sj totally correct in ternms of him knowing in fact if you go back and listen to the press conference call he held when he -re-signed( which I believe was only a day or 2 before the MItchell report came out) he was specifically asked if he had been working out recently with McNamee and what his relationship was. He knows how to deal with this stuff and he will answer the questions when he gets to camp and probably say that will be the end of the questions and he will go about h is work.

  87. Say it ain't so February 15th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    I agree with SJ, I’m not worried about Andy this season. The Daily News actually had some pictures of him and a short little story from when they saw him yesterday. I think that if this was really killing him, he wouldn’t have even come out of his house knowing the media was there.

    It seems like Andy has been ready to talk about all of this for a long time now, so it might end up being a weight off his shoulders in the end.

    As far as boo’s and heckling at all the other ballparks, Andy’s a Yankee, he was always boo’d and heckled. It will obviously be more now than ever, but he’s handled it before, he can handle it now.

  88. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex") February 15th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    hmmmm… being kindler and gentler :lol:

  89. Y's Guy February 15th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    mike ashmore posted a long joba interview from last june on thunder thoughts, its good reading from before he became a star.

    http://thunderbaseball.wordpress.com/

  90. Wolf In Pinstripes February 15th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Exactly, SJ – excellent point. If Roger had followed the lead of Andy in this situation, it would have been an entirely different ballgame (pun unintended)in which neither Roger nor the public would have been dealing with this circus.

  91. Marc February 15th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Why do people still listen to M&MD? They are always so negative about everything and between commercials and the 20/20 updates, there’s hardly any substance to the show.

  92. Blargh February 15th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    hmmm: the law of averages say that in the future, you will balance out the current kinder, gentler you with a meaner, tougher you
    Or at least, you should

  93. randyhater February 15th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    rodg12,

    Unless the conversation took place while they were skydiving, Pettitte did not mishear what Clemens said about HGH.

    Check out Pettitte’s deposition. When he first asks McNamee for HGH, he tells him that Clemens told him (Pettitte) that McNamee had given him HGH and Pettitte says that McNamee reacted angrily and said that Clemens was supposed to keep that confidential. Why would McNamee react that way if he had never given Clemens HGH? Did Pettitte mishear him too?

    On Posada, you can very easily read his support for Clemens as a shot at Pettitte. You think guys in that clubhouse were impressed w/ Andy ratting out their teammate, and his best friend and mentor? Unlikely.

  94. mel February 15th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    HaHa. A congressman just apologized for something. ESPN News just read a quote from Waxman. Something about some of the congressmen were attacking McNamee. Something about nothing came out of the hearings. Unnecessary. Regrets having the hearings. Only reason they did it was because Clemens insisted on having them. Blah Blah Blah.

    Don’t know if the hearings being Clemens’ idea is true or not, but to blame Clemens for having them? What a joke.

  95. RangerRob February 15th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    when is the first televised spring training game? anyone?

  96. Trish February 15th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Don’t be shocked if Andy comes to camp and says that he thought that was what Roger told him but maybe he did misunderstand him.

    People who know him say he’s very agreeable and in his depo he seemed to do best when asked leading questions.

  97. SJ44 February 15th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    I want to be careful how I phrase this because I don’t want to offend anybody.

    Folks who are very religious (like Pettitte) the phrase, “confession is good for the soul” is very applicable in their lives. Its something of a life credo for them.

    If you read his deposition, its clear he is really troubled about saying what he has to say. Its also clear, he has been troubled about keeping all this stuff inside him.

    Its why I don’t have any worries about his mental state. I actually think its be a helluva lot better for him to have this all out, than if none of this stuff happening.

    Its going to be a freak show on Monday, that we know.

    After that, it will be business as usual, despite the predictions of those in the media who are praying this brings him down.

    Andy Pettitte is a lot tougher than people think.

    This will only be an issue to those in the media who get upset when they are stonewalling from making this an issue.

  98. TheOmnipotentQ February 15th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    So I guess that means Posada is calling Andy Pettitte a liar.

    That should make for a fascinating Yankee clubhouse this season…

  99. SJ44 February 15th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Posada is not taking a shot at Pettitte. Geez, folks just want to believe anything.

    Posada has spent a lot of this off-season, as has Girardi and Jeter, supporting Pettitte.

    Posada isn’t turning on him now.

    Andy Pettitte isn’t a rat.

    What do you want him to do? Perjure himself?

    He had no choice but to testify under oath.

    He did and its over.

  100. saucY February 15th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    SJ44:”Here’s what Roger should have done when this first hit the fan……

    “I tried HGH a couple of times, it did nothing for me and I stopped”.

    “This guy McNamee is full of crap. He never injected me 16 times with anything. He gave me a couple of shots and that’s it”.

    it’s tough to judge what would have happened, but if roger did that, he’d still be saying McNamee was a liar simply by disputing the # of times he was injected. though i agree the aftermath would be a lot less, i do still think a stink would still have been made, and yes, possibly even hearings on the matter. he was the biggest figure in the report.

  101. Say it ain't so February 15th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    SJ I was going to comment and say much of the same thing, but you put it better than I ever could. So instead, I’ll say: agreed on all counts.

  102. saucY February 15th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    i’m thoroughly convince chris maddog russo smokes crack…

  103. Say it ain't so February 15th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Maddog’s voice makes me want to jam a screwdriver through my head. I listen to their show if I know they’re going to have someone good on to interview. Other than that, they constantly embarrass themselves on how uninformed they are.

  104. saucY February 15th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    “Why would McNamee react that way if he had never given Clemens HGH? Did Pettitte mishear him too?”

    maybe McNamee was just shocked that Clemens was open with that type of info, regardless of who gave him the HGH…

  105. randyhater February 15th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    What Clemens should have said when the Mitchell Report came out is the following:

    “You’re damn right I used steriods. And HGH, and lidocaine, and cortisone, and B12 and everything and anything else I could find that I thought would improve my performance. Guys in every clubhouse in the sport were doing the same, openly, and the powers that be knew and did nothing. Now you’re going to retroactively and selectively enforce the rules against me? F’ You.

    I played by the rules, written and unwritten, and I did what I had to to compete on a level playing field. I gave everything I had, on and off the field, to be the best that I could, at the possible expense of my future health. I am not sorry. I regret nothing.”

    Morally ambiguous? Sure. But it would have been the truth and alot more people would respect him for it than do now. At least he would have went out with his boots on.

  106. JBRO February 15th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Just got back from Legends, pretty good day. Saw Pete, yelled his name from the stands, he waved.

    I was surprised to see Duncan out there, guess hes a ‘catcher’.

  107. murphydog February 15th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    mel:

    “Roger made me do it!”

    Waxman is the chairman of that Committee. He is a professional pol and can stand up to anybody, from the White House to the Supreme Court, and more or less alone (except maybe for taking orders from the Speaker of the House) controls what things that Committee holds hearings on. Waxman creates a public spectacle and then blames someone else when it gets ugly. Talk about not being able to accept responsibility for your own actions…

  108. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge February 15th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    saucY

    I hope you didn’t just come to that conclusion. :lol: The guy is a nut, he belongs in a straight jacket.

    Say it ain’t so

    Not that I wish people ill, but wasn’t it nice when he lost his voice lasty year!!

  109. Marc February 15th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    JBRO,

    Which Duncan??

  110. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 15th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    you know, this reminds me a lot of the fate of everyone during the Salem Witch Trials.

    Those accused that plead guilty were spared, those that plead innocence were hung.

    That’s how witch hunts usually end, anyway.

  111. randyhater February 15th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    “Andy Pettitte isn’t a rat.”

    Nobody loves Andy more than me, but he ratted out his best friend, teammate and mentor, and no amount of equivocation will change that.

    What should he have done? Check out Knoblauch’s depostion. He came clean (presumably) about his own use, he gave a (seemingly) sincere apology in his own words (not as written by some shyster), and he stonewalled about what other guys did. He can hold his head high.

    Andy spilled the beans on a conversation that only he and Clemens knew about and (amazingly!) got his wife to do the same.

    And spare me the nonsense that Andy is too honest to lie. He’s been lying for ten years, and as recently as two months ago, but he can’t play dumb, one more time, to protect his best friend? Disgraceful.

  112. hmmm (kinder, gentler version) February 15th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    “hmmm: the law of averages say that in the future, you will balance out the current kinder, gentler you with a meaner, tougher you”

    wait until the trade deadline…lol.

  113. MikeEff - Shelley at First February 15th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    randyhater:

    best take on it i’ve heard so far

  114. Say it ain't so February 15th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Jennifer, he loses his voice more frequently than anyone I’ve ever seen. Maybe if he would stop for just one second to breathe and let someone else speak, he would have better luck.

  115. MikeEff - Shelley at First February 15th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    randy- i was referring to your take on clemens, not your andy bashing

  116. saucY February 15th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    “he loses his voice more frequently than anyone I’ve ever seen”

    it’s crack! i’m telling you!

  117. saucY February 15th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    randy – i’m definately not as religious as andy, but i’m guessing lying to reporters and lying under oath are 2 entirely different things to him…

  118. murphydog February 15th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    “you know, this reminds me a lot of the fate of everyone during the Salem Witch Trials.

    Those accused that plead guilty were spared, those that plead innocence were hung.

    That’s how witch hunts usually end, anyway.”

    Yeah, I see your point, but those that pleaded guilty in Salem weren’t guilty, were they? And here, so far, those who have pleaded guilty were in fact guilty.

    The only analogy to the Salem Witch Trials I really see here is the lack of due process. Roger may be guilty as hell, but he and all the rest of us are entitled to have that proven fair and square instead of by a mob of squealing sportswriters, lawyers and congressmen (and women). What’s gone on so far is a complete joke.

  119. Say it ain't so February 15th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Andy lied in his statement about the amount of times he used HGH – to protect his father and not rat him out. People call him a liar over that. Then during his deposition, he fessed up and told about how many times he really used, and disclosed of a few conversations he’d had with Clemens. People call him a rat over that. If he said that he didn’t remember or he never spoke to Clemens about HGH, he would be a liar. So what choice did Andy have in this scenario? Be a liar, or tell of a few conversations he had with the person who put him in this position in the first place.

    Clemens is no victim of Andy ratting him out. If Clemens had come clean, Andy wouldn’t have had to say anything at all.

    Also, something no one has brought up before: how do you know Andy didn’t know more about Clemens using steroids or HGH? These two were good friends, saw each other practically every day for nearly a decade. Andy never saw anything weird going on in that amount of time? Never heard McNamee and Clemens talking about these shots? Only Andy knows.

  120. mel February 15th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Andy’s not a rat. Well, sort of.

    Andy should’ve done what we all would’ve. Just testified on our own behalf and denied any knowledge of use by others.

    But, he did the right thing. And that was unquestionably driven by his Christian beliefs.

    It’s Roger’s fault anyway. He sucked Andy into it. If Roger had not been arrogant enough to believe he could beat the system, then Andy wouldn’t have been put on the spot. Why is it that these 3 figures out of the 100 or so in the report are the only ones having to speak up? Roger’s arrogance. That’s why.

    I’m going out now, and I expect lots of nasty comments from you all when I get back. lol.

  121. Clay Bellinger February 15th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    RandyHater,

    Perfect, all he had to say is I don’t remember any convo with the B-12 Rocket about HGH or Steroids. How well could he remember a conversation from 9 years ago anyway?

  122. Buddy Biancalana February 15th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    SJ44-

    Excellent point on Andy. The fact that this stuff is off his chest must be a huge relief for him. I expect a more focused (if that’s possible)season from Andy. I think his 3rd 20 win season is in order.

  123. Say it ain't so February 15th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    One other thing. People seem to forget that Andy is friends with both Roger Clemens AND Brian McNamee. He was tossed in the middle of them and told to decipher who was telling the truth. Andy didn’t say “Yes I saw Roger shooting steroids, I saw them in his house, I heard him talk to McNamee about it.” He said “He told me he used HGH and then a few years later he said I misunderstood.” He took the liberal way out and didn’t give too much that it destroyed Clemens, but gave just enough so that he didn’t leave McNamee hanging either.

  124. gayle February 15th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Randyhatter-

    Perhaps you should read the actual deposition before you accuse Andy of bringing something to light that no one else knew about. I will copy it below but please note that he was ASKED by the attorneys for the committee if he ever had any conversations with Clemens about HGH and he answered. When you are under oath and it is told to you that you must tell the truth or you can be prosecuted I dont know about most people but if I am asked a question that I have an answer to I answer honestly. In addition he was specifically told that he didnt remember or didnt know the answer not to speculate or guess. Also i would guess that they knew about this conversation from McNamee or some other source or they would not have asked the question. KNobloch did not have that kind of relationship with the 2 of them that is why he doesnt know anything about it

    Q What did you ever talk to Clemens about with respect
    to HGH?
    A I remember a conversation in 1999 where Roger had
    told me that he had taken HGH.
    Q Where were you when that conversation happened?
    A I believe we were at his house.
    Q And what did he tell you?
    A That’s really all I can really remember, you know,
    about it. I can’t remember specifics about the
    conversation. That’s just, you know — that’s really all I
    can remember about the whole conversation.

  125. Marc February 15th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Just wait till opening day when all this Clemens garbage is over, we can focus on baseball. I am waiting for the day when I can pick up the Post and Daily News and see some ST report instead of Pettite this or Clemens that!

  126. Yazman February 15th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    “Well, Roger’s story is the diametric opposite of Jorge’s current teammate, Andy Pettitte.”

    People are forgetting that Andy concluded that Roger’s story may well be correct, saying (on p. 28 of his deposition):

    “I’m saying that I was under the impression that he
    told me that he had taken it. And then when Roger told me
    that he didn’t take it, and I misunderstood him, I took it
    for that, that I misunderstood him.”

    So for Jorge to say he believes Roger is quite consistent with Andy saying he believes Roger. I see no friction.

  127. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 15th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    I can’t wait for opening day.

  128. Abuser February 15th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Way for Posada to throw Andy under the bus like that.

  129. Yazman February 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    I think Damon will have a rebound year too.

    He was great in LF 2nd half. And don’t forget, for a “down” year 2007 he stole 27 bases (in 30 attempts) in 141 games.

  130. Bill from NJ February 15th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    What’s the latest on Wang’s arbitration hearing from yesterday?

  131. whozat February 15th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    “And don’t forget, for a “down” year 2007 he stole 27 bases (in 30 attempts) in 141 games.”

    Yeah, but his OBP was only .351 and he had no power. So that was kind of down. Hopefully he gets back to driving the ball more, getting more doubles and stuff.

  132. randyhater February 15th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Gayle,

    When Andy was asked if he had a conversation with Clemens about HGH he should have said he didn’t remember. They were the only two people present during the conversation and while Pettitte subsequently told at least his wife and McNamee about the conversation, how was anyone going to prove the converstion occurred and that Andy remembered it?

    Also, Andy didn’t cover-up his ’04 usage to protect his sick father. He could have copped to the usage and been vague about the source. He did it because he thought no one would find out. The Daily News got a tip from someone in Texas and called his attorney in January. That’s the only reason he ever admitted it.

    Again, Andy thought nothing of cheating multiple times, lying about it for years (and as recently as two months ago), and fraternizing with a degenerate rapist like McNamee, but he’s too wholesome to just say “I don’t remember” when his best friend is hanging on be his fingernails? I’m sorry, that’s lousy behavior and he should be ashamed of himself.

  133. Cooper February 15th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    I hope that the jeers that Andy gets on the road make him hyper focussed and fires the team up to give him a ton of run support. I’m rooting for Andy to have his best season in pinstripes this year.

    When are people going to realize that this whole report and hearings fiasco was a product of people in Congress that no one would have ever heard of unless they ordered this mess. Think about it, the feds gave immunity to Radomski, a drug dealer, to give up names. People are trying to use this issue to raise their profile, plain and simple. Congress wonders why they have a low approval rating…

  134. Say it ain't so February 15th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Randyhater, once again I’m going to say that Andy is friends with both Clemens and McNamee. He obviously had this conversation with Clemens, and if he lied about it, he’d be throwing McNamee under the bus. He didn’t give Clemens up to the point where everyone believes he’s guilty (as shown by polls all over the ‘net, and Posada’s own comments) and he didn’t deny it enough that everyone is calling McNamee a liar.

    What did he even say that was so amazingly damning about Clemens? Since you’re so convinced that Andy is such a lying cheater, then shouldn’t you also be open to believe that he’s lying again and actually knows more than he told to congress? So maybe he didn’t “rat him out” as much as he could have.

    Also, your idea that he could have been vague about where he got the hgh in 04 is just not realistic. If McNamee didn’t talk about the 04 usage, then logically people were going to ask Andy where he got it from and it would have eventually come out that it was from his father.

  135. randy l. February 15th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    this is not an andy pettitte against roger clemens issue. posada knows clemens is the best pitcher he ever caught. all he’s doing is validating his feelings about clemens in a positive way. i’m sure he’d say nice things about pettitte too.

    here’s the deal. it’s not complicated to have steroid drug testing. do it in an independent above board way. get rid of the crap about someone said something to someone 7 years ago and who told their wife and she told her hairdresser who’s husband swear it’s all true.

    we don’t need dumpster diving irs agents and other abusive federal agents violating constitutional rights and playing gotcha games. if clemens was a big steroid cheat it would have come up in good testing. if the testing sucks, get better testing.

    as far as hgh, i’m not even sure it does much or is bad for people. one thing that has come out is that there is no corroboration of clemens using steroids. as far as hgh there’s some hints he may have dabbled with it. whether he dabbled in it or not ,i doubt it had much of an effect on his career.

    that’s essentially what i think posada probably thinks ,but can’t say for obvious reasons.

    clemens is going to have a long close association with baseball because of what players like posada and managers like torre think about him. mcnamee,novitsky, ramdomsky,etc will eventually all go back under the rocks they came out from under.

    baseball has never needed a single one of them. the sooner they are gone the better.

  136. stuart February 15th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    the clemens garbagewill be old news in 3 weeks. if there ever was a perjury trial for clemens it ain’t happening for a yr or more.

    Pettitte is a big boy and will be fine, Monday will be ridiculous but then things will cool down…

    all is good in yankeeland as long as they do not rade any young studs……

    AA should be interesting this yr. with action jackson and tabata!!!!!!!!

  137. randyhater February 15th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Say It Ain’t So,

    No way Andy is as close with McNamee as he is with Clemens. Evenso, Andy calling McNamee a liar doesn’t change anything for McNamee. The guy’s a pariah now anyway.

    But Andy hanging Clemens out to dry (over a conversation that only the two of them were privy to) has destroyed Clemens. Without Andy’s corroboration, alot of people would still believe Clemens. With it, no reasonable person can.

  138. Lori February 15th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    too bad. I thought we were back to talking about baseball, and not this side show.

    Pete – we need pictures of the pitchers in the bullpen. We need to SEE these guys in their warm up gear. We NEED real baseball.

    And any word on the arbitration hearing from yesterday? I thought they had to decide within 24 hours — hasn’t it been close to that?

  139. Bronx Born February 15th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    randy i think you have it right. and no one is taking the press to task. where is the real investigative journalism and not just spouting of opinion. bottom line is that neither clemens or bonds failed a test. if the testing is screwed up then fix it. where is mlb’s responsibility in all this instead of just shucking it on the players?

  140. Say it ain't so February 15th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Randyhater, I’m not saying they are as close, but either way, they are friends. Haven’t you ever been put in a position to pick a side between your friends? You’re saying that even if you know for a fact that the friend you are closer with was lying, and you knew for a fact that your other friend was telling the truth, you would cover for the liar?

    I disagree also that Andy’s what destroyed Clemens. Clemens destroyed Clemens. Other than the families of the players, there are no victims in this situation. Andy made multiple mistakes, Clemens made multiple mistakes, McNamee did, and MLB did. Now they can all pay the appropriate price for that, but I don’t think it’s appropriate to call Andy a rat over any of this until you’re in a position where congress tells you straight up that if you lie, they’ll catch you.

  141. Yazman February 15th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Bronx, it has been widely reported that Bonds failed a test in November 2000.

    http://ap.google.com/article/A.....AD8UQGC2O0

  142. Say it ain't so February 15th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    I have no hard feelings against Torre whatsoever, but I love seeing these pictures of Girardi as the new manager. It’s so refreshing, I feel like this team finally has a new beginning.

  143. Mark (The Real Mangenius) February 15th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    I’m glad to see Girardi won’t let players snooze through ST this year. Hopefully it makes a difference on the field in April

    by the way Pete, check out my blog and if you can, add it to your sidebar.

    http://therealmangenius.blogspot.com/

  144. Yazman February 15th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Any close observers have reason to believe Jorge will repeat his 2007 upswing in BA?

    Of course I’ll settle for your average Jorge. But I wonder if he figured anything out last year that led to more hits.

  145. Trish February 15th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Lori
    There are a few pic of Yanks pitchers stretching and the pitcher picked up from the Nationals throwing on Yahoo News photos

  146. whozat February 15th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    “Any close observers have reason to believe Jorge will repeat his 2007 upswing in BA?”

    I’m not a close observer, but no. He had a really high batting average on balls in play, which means that he — in general — got lucky. He hit a goodly percentage of line drives, sure, but in general, more balls hit by Jorge fell in than average, and only part of that can be accounted for by him hitting the ball with authority more than average.

    He will most likely regress to near his career averages — which will still be good for a catcher.

  147. raymagnetic â„¢ February 15th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    “Of course I’ll settle for your average Jorge. But I wonder if he figured anything out last year that led to more hits.”

    No, he didn’t. His BABIP (Batting Average of Balls In Play) was somewhere around .380 I think. No way he repeats his batting average but his other numbers were virtually the same as his career numbers.

  148. Yazman February 15th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    whozat, raymagnetic, thanks. Very helpful. Well, good for him that he got lucky in a contract year. Again, I’ll also be happy with standard Jorge.

  149. JBRO February 15th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Marc: Shelley Duncan, forgot there were 2 of them. My bad.

  150. Doreen February 15th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Rodg12 -

    I think you’re mistaken in thinking it’s hard to believe Debbie Clemens would use HGH to get toned. In the world in which she lives, it is very important to look good. Plus she is into fitness. McNamee talks about in his deposition that at Canseco’s party Mrs. Canseco and Mrs. Clemens were comparing augmentations (now, who knows if this is true, but for what it’s worth). Just think about how you guys had comments about Michelle Damon’s pictures for Sports Illustrated and how you compared her to Laura Posado. Heaven forbid a player’s wife wasn’t a pin-up! Anyway, that’s the world she lives in, and frankly, she can afford to take shortcuts to getting her body back into pre-baby shape. It is not that unusual.

    I also just wanted to add that at the end of Pettitte’s deposition, they gave him a second opportunity to explain whether he misunderstood Clemens, and Pettitte said:
    I don’t think I misunderstood him. Just to answer
    that question for you when it was brought up to me, I don’t
    think I misunderstood him. I went to Mac immediately after
    that. But then, 6 years later when he told me that I did
    misunderstand him, you know, since ’05 to this day, you
    know, I kind of felt that I might have misunderstood him.
    I’m sure you can understand, you know, where I’m coming from with that conversation.” (Emphasis added)

  151. Boston Dave February 15th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    newsflash – Damon played much of the year injured

    He hit about .300 after the AS break and even better the final 2 months.

    He was very good in 2006.

    Give the guy a break.

  152. anti-pettitte February 15th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    thanks pettitte for ruining your best friend’s life. you’re a great human being… NOT.

  153. whoa February 15th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Pat,

    How can a SS who had a ZR that was substantially below .800 last season not negatively affect every pitcher on the staff?

  154. Boston Dave February 15th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Doreen – good point

    I figure wanting to look good for SI is akin to women before their wedding day. Many women use crash diets or extreme measures so they look ‘perfect’ for those pics.

  155. rover February 15th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    in lieu of a smoking gun, and having only unsubstantiated rhetoric, by Mc and Rad, who if they had nothing to gain in the least had something to save, aka their butt. any charge or accusation against the rocket remains just that, charge and accusations, not remotely approaching fact. whether roger did or did not, he remains one of the best ever to take the mound, and that is substantiated. and that is against many players who likely did use. if roger didn’t that makes him better than his record. if he did use, it simply levels the field. whether he did or did not, i personally appreciate the fact he fought. maybe it turns out to have been the wrong thing to do in the long run. however if in fact he didn’t, why would he say “ok, i took it a few times”. if you would do that if you hadn’t done as suspected, then shame on ya. the sad fact is, that no player, should have even been named, unless there was a provable smoking gun. careers may have been ruined by nothing but b.s. it is a shame there is no law against being stupid, all those involved in preparing this report should would simply be locked up. this is a charade and a travesty and at this point i personally am ashamed of the government.

  156. Bronx Born February 15th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Yaz, that was due to a mistake in the paperwork.. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns

  157. rodg12 February 15th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Doreen-
    I think you confused my comments with someone elses. I didn’t bring up Debbie Clemens in any on mine today. No biggie though.

  158. hughman February 15th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Uh, Rover, you think if Roger DID take hgh he is right to lie and say he didn’t, and sue someone else for claiming he did? Weird value system, dude. I personally don’t give a rat’s ass. I think it is pretty obvious he did it, but it would be tough to make it stick, as in, is he guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

  159. rover February 15th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    hughman, i was trying to say if he infact didn’t it would be wrong to say he did simply to avoid battle. no one should lie, but that is not a reason to implicate yourself either. the point is there is no smoking gun, no real evidence. only claims by those who have something to save. there infact i believe, no one should have been named without true evidence and not just save my tail, rhetoric. that is all.

  160. Doreen February 15th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Sorry Rodg12.

    I scrolled up and down and I guess I lost my place! :)

  161. KarenJ February 16th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    For those of you who keep hammering away at Pettitte ratting out his “friend” (who’s reportedly not as friendly as originally reported ;))…there’s rumors now that Clemens might be indicted by a grand jury, and the investigators for that grand jury will be confiscating Clemens’ computer (on which he apparently logged his steroid regimen) and doing all the other things that grand jury investigators do.

    Don’t you think Andy Pettitte realized this (or was told this by his own attorney) and didn’t embroil himself in a bigger web of lies that’d be almost impossible to extricate himself from?

    No, even if he has to testify in front of a grand jury, he can do it with a clear conscience.

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