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Pettitte arrives on Monday

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Feb 17, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ph_120485.jpgAndy Pettitte will arrive in Tampa on Monday and hold a press conference at 3 p.m. He will be joined by lawyer Jay Reisinger.

Joe Girardi will attend as a show of support. It is not certain whether any teammates will be there.

Pettitte will not work out with the team, meaning he will have missed four days before he takes the field on Tuesday. Girardi and GM Brian Cashman said it is their understanding that Pettitte has thrown off the mound already in Texas and should be able to catch up to the rest of the starters quickly.

Clearly Pettitte has some questions to answer. He has twice lied about his use of performance enhancing drugs. He said in 2006 he had never used PEDs. He claimed to have used HGH once in 2002 after being named in the Mitchell Report. But earlier this month he admitted to using HGH again in 2004.

Was there a third or fourth time? Did Pettitte purposely mislead the Yankees before he signed his $16 million extension in January? How is his relationship with Roger Clemens?

We should get some answers tomorrow.

Some see-no-evil fans are defending Pettitte, saying that HGH was not specifically banned by baseball when he used it. That’s simply not true. Since the early 1990s, baseball has banned the use of prescription drugs without a prescription.

Meanwhile, his teammates seem willing to forgive and forget.

“He’s going to need some help from everybody. But this is your family. You spend more time here than your own house. You need your family to support you,” Mariano Rivera said.

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58 Responses to “Pettitte arrives on Monday”

  1. whoa February 17th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    I thought Bill Madden’s column was over the top.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....g_and.html

    Pettitte is human and he made mistakes, but unlike Clemens he admitted at least most of theme and hasn’t tried to scapegoat the world for his problems.

    Move on.

  2. KarenJ February 17th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    In an article in the San Diego Union Tribune, Randy Johnson is loosening up his repaired back at the beginning of Spring Training with the Diamondbacks.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/.....eback.html

    He says, about last Wednesday’s hearing:

    “Asked about Clemens’ testimony before a congressional committee Wednesday, Johnson compared it to “reality television.” He said he thought the House members should have done a little more homework to come up with more insightful questions than what uniform Clemens would wear going into the Hall of Fame.

    As for the Mitchell Report on drug use in the sport, Johnson said he thought baseball was moving in the right direction but added he had not paid too much attention to the issue while focusing on his rehabilitation.”

    “Moving in the right direction”, the new catch phrase or cliche amongst baseball players… :)

  3. YankeeJosh February 17th, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Some see-no-evil fans are defending Pettitte, saying that HGH was not specifically banned by baseball when he used it. That’s simply not true. Since the early 1990s, baseball has banned the use of prescription drugs without a prescription.

    Not see no evil Pete, but it is a FACT that HGH was not on MLB’s banned list until January, 2005. Yes, baseball has banned the use of drugs without prescriptions, but that also includes amphetomines, which, I’d venture to say have been used by the vast majority of baseball players to give them a lift. Again, there is NO difference between use of greenies and HGH in MLB rules before 2005.

    I’m not saying Pettitte was right, but he seems to be taking way too many lumps for a sport that was rife with drug abuse of all kinds based on a technicality that it was banned because it wasn’t prescribed. That’s simply not how the game worked. Otherwise we have to demonize all players for every infraction.

    So yes it was a violation, but for it to fall into the “cheating” territory, imo, the substance needs to specifically be banned.

    It’s a very fine line for these athletes. They are determined to do whatever they think can help to get them through injuries and to improve performance. That’s why they take creatine, andro, and greenies to gain an edge. Rules on banned substances need to be clearly spelled out or the athletes will abuse them.

    Did Pettitte make an error in judgment? Yes. Should he be taking the heat he has for it? ABsolutely not.

  4. Stormrider6 February 17th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    How come Pettitte is getting so much grief over this? He was one of 80 or so players named in a NON-comprehensive report, meaning that many more players took PEDs. He took HGH twice for two days and then one day – From what I understand, you have to take HGH for a longer period of time to notice any difference? And finally, he admitted to it and is trying to put it behind him. I don’t see-no-evil, but there’s a lot more evil out there that we can’t see that I’m more concerned with. Kudos to Pettitte and all the others who have come forward, admitted their fault, and are trying to put it behind them.

  5. bottom line February 17th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    At this point, the guys who’ve come forward and admitted their
    use of PEDs arguably have earned some admiration. Obviously, for every Pettitte and Giambi that have fessed up, there are 100 or more still hiding. Maybe everybody should stop beating up on the guys who’ve come clean — why would anyone else admit to use if they know they’ll continue to be hounded? Going after Andy now is like shooting fish in a barrel — not exactly heroic journalism. Go find the guys who are still lying.

  6. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--27/08 February 17th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    Mo is class

  7. xryanx February 17th, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Stormrider6,

    Because he lied. He lied in 2006 and he lied when the report came out. Are you forgetting that Pettitte pitched his ass off in 2005 to help Houston to a World Series appearance? I like Pettitte and hope he does well for us in 2008 but I have lost a lot of respect for him. He is a liar and he is also a rat.

  8. FYI February 17th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    Pettitte gets a lot of heat because he plays in New York and sports writers are vultures. Their attitude is someone is going to gore Pettitte, so it might as well be me.
    Peter Abraham has used the banned prescription drug argument before; it’s true but it’s also rather disengenuous since lots of illegal prescription drugs were tolerated and HGH wasn’t banned until two years ago. But Abraham’s got to strike, or be viewed as soft by his colleagues. It’s a game: pack journalism.
    As for Pettitte beinn a liar and a rat, that’s hilarious. He tells the truth and he’s a rat; he doesn’t volunteer information (about his father and wife’s b-in-law) and he’s a liar. Logically – not.

  9. george February 17th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    Pete is incorrect in stating the following:

    “Some see-no-evil fans are defending Pettitte, saying that HGH was not specifically banned by baseball when he used it. That’s simply not true. Since the early 1990s, baseball has banned the use of prescription drugs without a prescription.”

    2 reasons reveal this interpretation as narrow-minded:

    1. If you read the Pettitte deposition, Pettitte’s lawyers point out that HGH was not banned under any applicable collectively-bargained agreement. See p. 102 of Pettitte’s deposition.

    2. Pettite testifies that if HGH was on the list of banned substances a the time, he would not have taken it. See p. 39 of the deposition.

  10. Say it ain't so February 17th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    All these people saying he’s a rat would have pee’d their pants if put in the same position Pettitte was.

    Good to hear Girardi will be there.

    Madden’s story was ridiculous. Nowhere in his article did he make any mention of the Yankees “feeling duped” except for in his headline. Idiot.

    Also, The Daily News has sunk to an all-time low this year with how they’ve covered all of this. Do they realize they’re the only morons who have been stalking Andy at his house, church, gym, and anywhere else he goes? Back off already.

  11. YankeeJosh February 17th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    George,

    Pete is correct that there is the clause about having drugs being prescribed, but it was never enforced. HGH was indeed not on the banned substances list, which imo, Pete is trying to minimize too much. It’s a big deal!

  12. The Fallen Phoenix February 17th, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    And do you *really* blame him for lying, when this is precisely the kind of reaction that was waiting for him if–or when–he did come clean?

    Let’s be honest–I think there are very, very few players who are 100% honest about *anything* when they talk on-the-record with reporters. This isn’t meant to be an indictment, nor does this mean that we should take everything we read or hear with a grain of salt, but was there really any reason for Andy Pettitte to come 100% clean about something he’d be getting in trouble about, before he absolutely had to?

    Even if, the first time he was asked, Andy Pettitte had come absolutely clean, and even if it turned out that his use of HGH–and whatever other banned substances he may or may not have used–was relatively “innocent” (as in, he used it for a few days while rehabbing an injury, and stopped), I guarantee he’d be getting a similar, if not identical, reaction from the media and most of the public. Maybe it would go away after a while, like how Giambi’s PED-use has gone away (although I attribute that, in part, from the fact that Giambi hasn’t been on the field much these last few years), but Andy Pettitte would have no way of knowing that.

    And when you consider that there are likely hundreds of players who didn’t get caught using PEDs (or other banned substances, including greenies) by the Mitchell Report or MLB’s testing policies, it makes sense why a player like Andy Pettitte would take his chances and resist any opportunity to out himself before he absolutely had to.

    At the same time, I’m not defending or condoning what Andy Pettitte did–both regarding his use of HGH, and how he has gone about conducting himself in the media regarding said use. But honestly? If I were in the same position as him, I cannot say my reaction wouldn’t be at all dissimilar, good conscience or not. Since my conscience already has several embarrassing stains on it already, I’m not sure where I’d be able to find a horse high enough to conjure the same moral outrage others have found for this specific case, and the umbrella story of PED-use in baseball to which it belongs.

  13. McLovin February 17th, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    see no evil fans make up 90% of this board posters.He is full of $hit if he said he wouldn’t have taken HGH before it was officially banned because why didn’t comment about HGH before.He would have never said nothing if he wasn’t in that report even though it was banned substance.And he lied twice already that makes you think he probaly took it more times.

    He is a liar and no one can say otherwise.And he knew he was in that report because everybody knew Roid Clemens and HGH Pettitte were on it.He should have retired because he is no worse then Pavano.

  14. YanksGal07 February 17th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    He’s a liar and a rat?? Let’s see…he’s a liar but when he tells the truth ..he’s a rat. Which way do you want it?? I’d like to see what the name callers would do if they were under oath. I can understand why they don’t fess up right away ….look how they are abused for admitting to use and apologizing for it.

    I just don’t understand the mentality of some people.

    Go Yankees 2008 !!!

  15. whoa February 17th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Pettitte did lie, but has fessed up, at least to some degree.

    Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

  16. JB February 17th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Is Pettitte going to lose any stature in the clubhouse for testifying (in his deposition) against Clemens? I’ve always thought professional athletes get far less upset about cheaters in their midst than they do rats.

  17. Bill Porter February 17th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Prior to the MR how may ML ballplayers have admitted to using PEDs when asked unless they were under oath and testimony was leaked (Giambi). I think the answer is none. Pettitte may have lied but he works within a culture of liars on that score. Sorry Pete but I can’t find it in me to work up any ire or indignation over Andy’s behavior that rises above and beyond what I already generally feel for the sport. We are all involved in this: players, management, ownership, media and fans. We alternately watched, cheered, sold papers and made lots of money knowing guys were getting unnaturally large and hitting balls farther and more often than we knew they should have been. We tried to wink this away by claiming the balls were wrapped too tightly, by blaming pitchers who sucked more than they ever had before and by pointing to the advent of bandbox ball parks. Sorry Pete, Andy isn’t the worst boy in class. Sure he used PEDs but we all did some lying here. We all should remember that before we sharpen the knives for Andy.

  18. george February 17th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    well, Pete and the rest of the NY writers are cooking up some articles. They’re like an echo chamber. you can predict Tuesday’s bloviating.

    The sabermetric approach to evaluating Tuesday’s back pages would be to measure the amount of greenhouse gases expended by publishing and delivering all this predictable drivel.

    stop the presses. Andy Pettitte taking HGH a couple of times. Wow, that has all the impact of finding out someone once inhaled.

  19. bottom line February 17th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Great point about the Daily News. They have really lost my respect with their non-stop peddling, rehashing and repackaging of this story. Bill Madden was probably the writer I most respected on the Yankee beat — but he too fell in a ditch today. What’s troubling is all these herd reporters are just chasing the same old stories– has anyone actually done original work that goes beyond the fraud mitchell report to develop angles and stories on other dugouts.

    Yes, that’s tough work but as a journalist I suspect that there are people out of the game now — or on the fringes of the game — who may want to spill their guts. I know beat reporters have plenty to do without packing their fishing gear but a paper like the Daily News or Newsday should have the resources to put somebody on the job. Don’t you think there are minor leaguers who never made it and would love to tell the story of some of the juicer creeps that did? Nitpicking questions on when Andy said what or did what — that’s bottonm feeding at its worst.

  20. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! February 17th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    I wonder if all the Cleveland reporters are stalking Byrd like the NY reporters are stalking Pettitte.

  21. george February 17th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    yeah, the Madden column was weird. as far as i could tell, no one on the Yankees was quoted as expressing anger at Pettitte. Yet he presented it that way.

    Maybe i missed something, but i was left with the impression that Madden thinks the Yankees should be mad at Pettitte, and he was fantasizing about being the Boss.

  22. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! February 17th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    I just have to wonder why Andy is singled out, in all the venom from the media as a whole. There were 80 some other guys on it. But it is all on Andy. LaDuca quietly says I’m sorry I made a mistake and it is a story for 15 seconds. Andy just keeps staying in the news. Right now all the more reason to strongly dislike Roger.

  23. Bob February 17th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    This is why Selig should just come out and say, “There was widespread PED use throughout the game and many people were involved and knew about it at all level We can’t change the past. Everyone involved gets clemency in the eyes of MLB, but from this day forward there will be ZERO tolerance.”

    End of story, case closed, everyone needs to learn from the mistakes and move.

  24. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! February 17th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Exactly, it ticked me off to hear congress praise the report! What? that report didn’t even scratch the surface! Where was the supplier in LA, Chicago, Boston, or Fla?

    Bud needs to come out and say there will not be punishment handed out to those on the report, there were others who were not named. So we will close the book on that portion of baseball. He might be the one to end it.

  25. whoa February 17th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Right now all the more reason to strongly dislike Roger.
    ___

    Seconded.

    Pettitte didn’t rat out Clemens. Clemens is a rat for putting Pettitte in this position.

  26. kill.schill(ing) February 17th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Pete, I have a great deal of respect for the measured perspective you’ve displayed on this issue thus far.

    But let’s be honest, most fans don’t care what drugs Andy Pettitte took or how many times he took it.

    “Just win baby” is the credo. And as long as he fulfills it, to my mind, whatever drugs he ingests is between him, his family, his teammates and his deity. If they have no qualms about it, neither do I.

    In fact, come the second game of the season when Andy Pettitte assumes the mound, I, for one, plan to accord him a standing ovation, if only to show my utter contempt for the repellent sanctimony the media has exhibited on the steroids furor from the outset.

  27. bummy February 17th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    I haven’t really been keeping up with the whole steroid/HGH controversy and hearings (the hot stove is WAY too interesting) so I could be wrong about all this: I was under the impression that HGH in reality does not help recovery time or muscle growth, so while yeah, it is bad that Pettitte broke MLB rules and took the stuff, does it really matter if it didn’t help him on or off the field? If it meant that he had an unfair advantage, I could see the validity of punishing him, but I was under the impression HGH didn’t help any type of performance.

  28. Chase February 17th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    C’mon he’s a Yankee. Our Yankee player. A player we will pay to watch with all the rest of the star players. He needs our support. I laugh at the fans who called in on the radio saying they will not attend any of Pettitte’s games. We’ll see. If it comes down to a Post-season game against Boston, and Pettitte is the ace, they won’t go then? I’ll take that ticket. I get that he lied, and maybe is a “rat”, but tearing him down from his own fan base, that’s just wrong. We can boo all we want (we do it all the time), heck we even boo at Farnsworth, but put yourself in a situation where you lied and confessed. You just want to get it BEHIND you and MOVE on. It’s bad enough to hear this from my Boston fan in-laws. ( i know, I know) let alone from Daily News writers and yankee fans. Andy fessed up, punishment is not up to us, now lets move on. I’m with Mo on this one. LETS SUPPORT OUR YANKEE PLAYERS, Yankee Fans.

  29. Ben (KW) February 17th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Ahh more steroid/HGH talk. Yawn. Yawn. Yaaaawnnnnnnn.

  30. Old Goat February 17th, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    What is a bigger problem? A player who comes out with a confession or a player who is hidden out there, probably on just as many championship teams, and comes out with statements about how the use of this stuff is wrong?

    When all the player who have used are outed, then maybe things will come back to earth. I also think that all the other drugs being used – with prescriptions, such as ritalin, are being ignored as any kind of PED.

    Jennifer, the reason the LaDuca “sorry” bit didn’t really say anything, just like Giambi. Besides, he’s not a Yankee. That’s the difference.

  31. deadrody February 17th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    Well, then. I guess his transgression is – technically – no worse than, say, buying Viagra over the internet. You really pegged Andy on that one.

    Whew, prescription drugs without a prescription. Wow, that IS bad. How could ANYONE defend THAT ????

    Pete, really, can you just let go of the need to be the moral compass for all Yankee fans ???

  32. Hideki Balboni February 18th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    Pettitte is a liar and a cheater. It’s really that simple. I don’t see how anyone can have the same level of respect for him now.

  33. jonnycat February 18th, 2008 at 1:17 am

    regarding how much grief andy is getting over this… I’m curious to see how people ‘come down’ on LoDuca, and the others that were mentioned. Probably not nearly as much. Yankees are getting a hatchet job over this and people should remember that

  34. Gabe P. February 18th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    As an American taxpayer I’m glad to see Congress involved in the minute details of baseball and who took what substances and when. Our good old tax dollars at work.

    Last I heard, smoking a joint was illegal too. Let’s haul all ballplayers into Congress and ask them about that over the past 10 years. Heck don’t stop there – ask the beat writers too.

    What’s next? Let’s see…hmmm.. gambling is illegal. Maybe some players were involved in Super Bowl pools?
    I bet some players even broke the speed limit over the winter. Maybe a couple even jaywalked…

    Hook em all up to a lie detector. We don’t want any liars, cheaters or jaywalkers on the team.

  35. mel February 18th, 2008 at 2:16 am

    Pettitte was wrong on so many counts, but what he did was hardly sinful. What kills me is the holier than thou attitude among the media and some of the fans. The hallowed records. Only in baseball. You have cheating in cycling. Commonplace. You have steroids in football. Virtually ignored when suspensions are announced even though football’s a contact sport.

    Cheating’s not right, but Jesus Christ, people. Baseball’s still a game of inches and this crap’s not going to help you put the bat on the ball any better. It’s not going to help you keep the ball down in the zone.

    I will say it’s unfair to the players who worked and worked, but never made it. But you still need talent to make it in the big league.

    It’s wrong and I’m sure people regret doing it, but on the scale of crimes it’s at the harmless end of the spectrum.

    People need to get off their high horses. “Let’s all move forward”.

    Best of luck to Andy tomorrow. I predict that more than a few of his teammates will be there to support him.

  36. Whatevered February 18th, 2008 at 5:37 am

    Andy admitted to taking Peds once then in a sworn testimony he added that he took it again. Does that make him a liar. If he would’ve said in sworn testimony that he took it only the times that he admitted previously would he get caught. He said the truth because he wanted to be truthfull but in the media’s eyes or some fans and many haters that only makes him a bigger liar. Andy took Peds but he was the first to admit it and ask forgiveness. Let’s forgive him for his mistakes and have a great year watching him play ball. And Pete, sometimes even the media should let certain guys free and let them move on.

  37. Whatevered February 18th, 2008 at 5:43 am

    The right thing for Pettitte to do is tell the media ask all the questions you want today because from today and on any reporter that asks another question about PED use or the Roger Clemens Brian McNamee case will not get to speak to me again all year. And that will quiet this Pettitte attack because if there’s nobody attacking back that what said is lies there is no point to attack. So everybody, let’s have a great year of baseball.

  38. Motown Yankees Fan February 18th, 2008 at 7:28 am

    All I can say is that on March 31, when I am in my nosebleed seats when they announce the Yankee players, I will stand up and cheer for Andy Pettitte. He’s not perfect. Neither am I. But he sure throws a baseball much better than most.

  39. E-ROC February 18th, 2008 at 7:28 am

    If Pettitte falls off the cliff this season because of all the media scrutiny, I wonder if Cashman will be hearing it from his good pal, Hank Steinbrenner.

  40. Bronxbyte February 18th, 2008 at 7:29 am

    The media relations people of the Yankees should make it plain to the mass media gathered in Tampa that this is a one time event.
    All questions to Andy Pettitte after this overblown press conference should be baseball related or result in a straight “no comment” from Pettitte.
    Unfortunately, the Yankees can rely on the experience that Giambi had in 2005 in dealing with the media.

  41. Denny February 18th, 2008 at 7:38 am

    Hideki Balboni ;

    I take great comfort in knowing that your squeaky clean, unblemished way of life has not gone the way of a scoundrel such as Andy Pettitte.

  42. Peter Abraham February 18th, 2008 at 7:49 am

    Those defending the use of drugs without a script:

    So when is it OK then? It’s a law in our society that people can’t use certain drugs without a doctor’s approval. Baseball players are not above the law. It also was a baseball rule. That HGH was not specifically mentioned is meaningless. It was illegal and Andy knew it was illegal.

    So if you want to get high once, buying some painkiller from a drug dealer is OK? How about twice? That’s OK, too? Three times?

    You either do or you do not. There is no sort of committing the crime.

    I’m not saying I’ve never broken the law, far from it. But if I did and I was caught, I wouldn’t lie about it.

    You can’t have it both ways. You people are the same people who would be killing Roy Halladay or David Ortiz or some other opposing player if he tooh HGH.

    Andy broke the rules. He had two injections of HGH on three occasions. That’s six shots. Then he twice lied about it. Are there more times he did it?

    Like it or not, and I don’t much like it, this is a story.

  43. rover February 18th, 2008 at 8:19 am

    This makes me want to go next door and borrow some painkillers from my neighbor for the headache this whole thing is.

  44. pat February 18th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    Pete
    This is getting the coverage it is because of who the player is and where he plays. If the media really felt that lying about PEDs is the story, there would be hyped press conferences in every major league camp this week.

    The Paul Byrd story went away in a flash. The Greg Zaun denial of steroid use hasn’t been reported anywhere outside of Toronto and the Paul LoDuca apology would be disected into oblivion if he still played in NY. Just like real estate, its all about location, location, location.

  45. Bronx Born February 18th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    How do we know you would not lie about it Pete? You say if you were caught you would not lie, so in order to tell the truth you have to be caught. This is a bit sanctimonious Pete. I find it difficult to believe that you and other members of the press have never tried an illegal substance. For that matter throw in all of congress. We already know that the president has.

  46. Mark Alan February 18th, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Mo has spoken. Ballgame over.

    Case closed.

  47. Bill Porter February 18th, 2008 at 9:33 am

    “Like it or not, and I don’t much like it, this is a story.”

    Ok it’s been reported ad nauseam; now what?

    Pete did you ever smoke dope? What are the names of the people you smoked with? Who did you buy it from? Unless I’m a prosecutor and you’re under oath you and anyone else would be fools to answer anything but NO to those questions under most circumstances especially to an employer or to the press! Come on Pete, lighten up on the liar stuff. By the way don’t answer, I’ll alternately think you’re either a fool or a liar.

  48. xryanx February 18th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    I love the whole “nobodies perfect” defense. Does this mean Bonds and Clemens will get a pass from you guys too? Make no mistake that I’m a Yankee fan and will support Pettitte this season. But I will no longer think of him as squeaky clean Andy Pettitte

  49. JonMichel February 18th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    Mo, Jeter, and Posada need to be their with him at the press conference!

  50. Bill Porter February 18th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    I don’t think anybody will. None of these guys are above reproach in all facets of their lives; I’m not aware of any human being who is.

  51. John February 18th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    xryanx,

    I agree, I have lost a little respect for Pettite through all of this. I don’t buy the whole “it wasn’t a banned substance” thing because, if it were so legal, and no one thought there was anything wrong with it, guys wouldn’t have been sneaking around doing it, everyone would have been doing it right out in the open, right there in the clubhouse. Whatever they thought of the legality of taking the drug, they all knew it was cheating in some form.
    But here, in my opinion, is the MAJOR difference between Pettite and Clemens and Bonds: by all accounts, Clemens and Bonds took the drug to improve their performance over an extended period of time and extend their career past where it would naturally have gone. Both of those guys, HOF caliber players, seemed not to be content with their standing in baseball at the time they began taking the drug and decided they wanted that “edge” to become better, over many years, then they naturally would have been. Pettite, on the other hand, by his own admission and by McNamee’s testimony, took the drug to recover from injuries. He didn’t go on any program. He didn’t go on a cycle of drugs that seemingly effected him for years. He took the drug to get better. Does that make it right? No, there are other, non-HGH ways of healing yourself, but it certainly doesn’t rise to the level of “gaining and unfair advantage” like Clemens and Pettite. It isn’t giving him a pass, of “see-no-evil” fans, it is simply an understanding of the context and recognizing that Pettite’s use was not as blatantly immoral as other. Just my opinion.

  52. Hideki Balboni February 18th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Not so fast, Denny! It is Pettitte himself who is happy to portray himself as a squeaky clean choir boy when it suits him. Even in his public statement admitting to HGH use he made reference to his reputation for honesty and fair play. I don’t see why it is out of bounds to call him on it now.

  53. Blargh February 18th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    “Those defending the use of drugs without a script:

    So when is it OK then?”

    According to how the media treats it, amphetamines were ok before 2005. Despite that amphetamines were a controlled substance since 1970.
    So Pete, what’s the difference between HGH and some greenies?

  54. mel February 18th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    Count me among those who would NOT be killing Halladay or Ortiz if this came out about them. I’m not someone who takes pleasure in other people’s misery. I respect someone who admits they did it, even if they give a fuzzy version of the truth.

    I think that Andy won’t have any regrets on his deathbed. The same can’t be said for Roger Clemens and the countless others who hide in silence.

    Everyone needs to get their story straight because it’s a federal crime to use that antibiotic or painkiller that was prescribed to someone else.

  55. Tom February 18th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    I really hope Congress calls hearings regarding Belicheat, then we get to see if Peter is one of those “see no evil fans”.

  56. saucY February 18th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    this taking prescription drugs with out a prescription arguement is a load of crap and is another way for reporters to nit-pick here. someone made a good example of amphetamines and how the whole league is pretty much guilty if that is the case. i don’t know how many times i’ve taken an allergy pill from a friend or something when i wasn’t prescribed. is that wrong? come on…

    what’s even more laughable is probably the percentage of reporters that are on coke when they’re grilling pettitte later.

  57. GD69 February 18th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    Madden, just like all other journalists, is just trying to sell newspapers — he’s obviosly had too much to drink yesterday. this is a non-story to most fans. we just want them to start playing baseball (and winning). The fact that Santana is a Met had nothing to do with Pettitte announcing he was coming back just prior to winter meetings. Yankees could have had Santana 2 weeks ago if they wanted to give up a few marginal prospects (I, for one, am glad they didn’t do it).

  58. Anonymous August 27th, 2014 at 5:51 pm

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