Late report today for Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Feb 24, 2008 
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If you’re waiting for reports on what happened today in camp, you’re going to wait a while.
The Yankees are just getting here now. The “dress” time is 11:45 a.m. and they’ll be on the field around noon. Most camps give players extra time on Sunday to get some sleep or go to church.
Or as LaTroy Hawkins said the other day, “They have church on TV down here, you don’t have to leave the couch.”
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I’ve been getting a bunch of e-mails from people asking whether they can attend practice. The answer is yes. Practice is open to the public and free of charge. They even open up the concession stands.
You can watch from inside the stadium or walk around and watch the workouts on the side fields.
Now be warned: It’s often not that exciting. Infielders take grounder, outfielders catch flies and pitchers work on covering first or throwing to second. Then they take BP, do a bunch of running and go home. It lasts about two and a half hours.
But you can get close enough to see Giambi sweat. Then again, you don’t have to be that close to see that.
Wait, so what about Jewish players? Can they take Saturday mornings off?
And while i’d love to go see practice, seeing Giambi sweat isn’t really all that high on my to-do list. No offense.
…testing…
Pete, do you know who’s pitching today?
What’s not exciting about watching ML Players go through drills to get ready to play? Basking in the warm Tampa sun and munching snacks from the concession stands. And with free admission? When I was younger, that would be a day in heaven.
To the guy that called himself ‘whatever’ and for some reason also decided to attack me, have a great day and please find (or don’t) someone else to bother. But thanks for reminding me that there are still some people who have problems with other people just because of their name. And whatever kind of person you are you will only be a whatevered.
Thurman, for me that’d still be a day in heaven!
For me too that would be a great day. Can’t wait for the season opener.
Good Morning All
Pete Thanks for that info on the practices….Do you know if they allow fans to park in the Parking Lot at Legends ercheck that George M. Steinbrenner Field???
Or do they open up the grassy lot that is across Dale Mabry and then walk over the footbridge..if so are they charging $10.00.Thanks
I am finally going to practice. It was raining like crazy yesterday but today looks beautiful. See you there.
Last year I happened to be in Tampa, so I attended practice day like the one Pete described. It was neat to be there, to see the different fields, to wander around, to see the players close up. Sitting outside on a nice day is always pleasant. After about an hour I’d had enough.
David
Where did you park???
Did you get any autographs??
Whatevered,
The thing is, I’ve posted at this and other Yankee sites under the name whatever for years. For you to come along and post a name like whatevered (which btw, doesn’t make any sense) is copying and also confusing. People may lump us together and I don’t want any of your simplistic 6th grade level comments attributed to me. If any of the other regular posters here had someone post under a name extremely similar to their own they wouldn’t like it either.
Perhaps you can put your mind to it, use your imagination, and come up with an original name of your own, and not have to basically copy someone else’s.
Utility
Last weekend I was able to park right at Legends and there was no parking fee. We were talking to one of the security guys and he said that changes once games start.
I may not want to watch a month of workouts but it was enjoyable for a day. Seeing the players interact with each other and the fans was fun to watch.
As I’ve said before, one of these years I’ll actually go to Tampa…it’s gotta be so much better than here!
Here’s a trivia question to which I don’t know the answer but to which I thought someone in the blogosphere might be able to enlighten me.
Evidently, the Yankees postpone the start time for workouts on Sundays to afford players the opportunity to attend Church.
So it got me thinking: What if you’re a Jew or a Muslim? Do you receive a remission from practice on Friday or Saturday morning to attend the Mosque or a Synagogue?
More significantly, Has an OBSERVANT Jew or Muslim ever played MLB? (Declining to play once a year on Yom Kippur doesn’t qualify.)
It would almost be impossible, I gather, for a MLB plyaer to observe the Sabbath and not play on Thursday or Friday nights and/or Saturday day games?
Albeit, Hakeem Olajuwon, I recall, fasted througout the Ramadan month and played notwithstanding.
pat
Thanks for the info..I am heading down there on Friday for the 1st game…but I have always wanted to attend the workouts before the games start.
Rebecca
I have an extra ticket for Friday and Sundays’ games….
But I know you would rather stay home with that white stuff on the ground.
Random Prediction of the Day:
Joba Chamberlain: 9 K’s in first MLB start, gets the win.
I’d just like to take this opportunity to say that I’m ecstatic that Joe Girardi is managing this team.
That is all.
amen
Whatever,
I know exactly what you mean, I used to be 2708 until Rebecca started using it in her name so I had to change mine. (I am just kidding Rebecca)
Shawn Green is the only Jew I can think of and he was not “observant”. I guess an observant Jew would probably not consider a career in athletics since so many games fall on weekends. Most Jews I know prefer to be the agents, not the players! And they make more money than most athletes!
Sandy Koufax????
There is a list of Jewish players, past and current on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....s#Baseball
But the question Kill Schill(ing) asks is a different one. There have been Jewish ballplayers who have requested to sit out Yom Kippur and been accommodated by their teams.
I haven’t found a list of known Muslim baseball players.
Kill Schill: Hank Greenberg was an observant Jew. Sandy Koufax, too, I believe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L....._in_sports
Utility Man: I would totally take you up on it if you could come up with a creative solution to solve the problem of
a) Airfare there and back
b) transportation; I’m still not legally old enough to rent a car!
c) the coursework I’d be neglecting
I went to NYY Spring Training 2 years ago; I had a great time and got to see the players and coaches up close. It is a great experience as a fan to see how the team works out before the season. I recommend for people to attend.
Pete:
I love Tampa and whenever I go there I dive into Cuban food. I love vaca frita and the search for perfect Cubano sandwiches. Which leads me to my point….how about a food report of the concessions at GMS III Field? Give us a rundown on what’s available for the foodie who loves baseball. Gotta be more than just hot dogs and popcorn, right?
How’s Mike Lieberthal Jewish if only his father’s Jewish?
Actually, I’ll rephrase that:
How does Mike Lieberthal’s father being Jewish automatically make Mike Lieberthal Jewish?
I have not stolen or used a name that is yours Whatever. I have been posting comments here for a few months and you only came now to complain about my name. 1. If you’d really wanted me to change my name you would have asked nicely in some way or another from me to switch it, by attacking me you have shown that you just want to pick a fight. 2. If you’ve been posting under the name Whatever for years how come this is the first time you commented about my name?
according to the jewish laws you’re only considered jewish if your mother is. (even though your father isn’t.)
Interesting how Chess is considered a sport in the Wikipedia entry.
Blargh, actually by jewish law a person is defined jewish by that his/her mother is jewish. So it doesn’t matter if his/her father is jewish or not, if his/her mother is jewish then s/he’s jewish if not then s/he’s not.
Fie on the wiki then, for it tells me that Lieberthal’s Jewish because his father is
That makes George Steinbrenner’s daughter’s children jewish even though their husbands are not jewish.
Practice is fun to go to, but it does get old quick. watching’ the players joke around with each other is much more fun to see then watch them throw a pen session, or take some BP. Every time I go I’m equally surprised at how much Asian media flocks around Matsui, and Wang. Its crazy actually…
To the “whatever” brothers:
Take your bickering elsewhere.
Rebecca
Your post reminded me of my days in college. You may have the bonus of all the technology we didn’t have 25 years ago but it was easier to be “creative” then.
There was an airline called Peoples Express and you made reservations but you paid for tickets in cash once you were seated on the plane. We used to book ourselves for flights that we guessed would be overbooked and volunteered to be “bumped” in exchange for flight vouchers. If the flight wasn’t overbooked, we would just go home without it costing us anything other than the airport parking fee and the price of a beer in the airport bar.
I financed 2 spring breaks with that formula. In hindsight, in my own little way, I guess I helped contribute to their demise.
The “Whatever Brothers” squabble can only hope to be as enjoyable as the “Flim Flam” debacle.
Yankee Noodlehead,
My suggestion to you is mind your own business. If you don’t like the conversation between mmyself and my almost clone, then skip over the posts.
Hey Whatever-
Take it easy on cousin Yankee Noodlehead, huh?
pat: oh man, that’s a brilliant story! As it is, as much as I love traveling, and I do love traveling (see http://www.freewebs.com/firero.....epart1.htm for details), I hate airports, so now that I have a car with me at Syracuse, I drive home and whatnot.
I do remember once having to wait standby all day to fly home to NJ from Boca Raton when I was 14, that wasn’t any fun and since I was three months shy of my fifteenth birthday, I had to fly as an ‘unaccompanied minor’, which annoyed the you-know-what out of me, as, previously I’d flown by myself without all sorts of special treatment…
Hey Buddy,
Flam’s been showing up lately, but who was the other guy?
Flim
Whatevered,
Actually, I have made several subtle references to the similarity of our names in the past, hoping you’d take the hint and come up with something else, but I guess you missed them.
I’d appreciate it if you would consider some other name to post under. However, if you are now feeling angry, stubborn, and reluctant to change, I guess that’s your prerogative and there’s nothing I can do about it.
Perhaps I’ll come up with something else if you refuse to do so.
Thanks. I thought it was something else, and we just kind of came up with flim. Old grey cells just aint what they used to be.
meled-
It probably was something else originally, I think we did make up Flim now that I think of it, your Old Grey cells are fine.
Hey mel,
Not ready to divulge what “mel” is short for yet are you?
Buddy,
meled-???
Has anyone guessed that ‘mel’ could simply be initials? Like, for instance, Mary Eleanor L___ or something like that?
Whatever-
It was a joke if reference to your Flim-Flam episode.
mele mean “song” in a certain polynesian language. So mele would be the anglo way of saying “sang”. Past tense.
mel/ed(wina)
no ed here.
Wow, I only caught a few pages, but great photos Rebecca. Loved the Pisa shots.
ST friends: I’m speaking at a conference in Florida this week. Thursday morning I’ll be driving from Pembroke Pines (visiting my grandparents) up to Orlando for the event.
I don’t take the stage until Friday. Any recommendations on whether a quick trip to Tampa would be worth it for Thursday morning?
This morning mel stands for melee. Hope the dust has settled. We don’t like bad blood here.
The real question is whether or not you can get close enough to Giambi to see if he ever actually blinks.
Yazman: Thanks! Check out Wales, Day 2 for my favorite shot (it’s the one with the bridge)
Speaking of ED, does the plethora and multiplicitude of ED commercials bother the gals (and maybe guys) here?
And they’ve ruined so many good classic songs.
Rebecca
Thanks for the link. I just checked out your 1st 10 days and will be sure to read more.
Another thing. Besides the great company, this site has the first or second information. Remember the Jeter quote from the OTHER day? Just hitting espn.com right now.
Tito for another 3 years….UGH
a Polynesian reference again. Hmmm.
I have visions of a beautiful island girl dancing on a warm sunny beach in a grass skirt while I’m kicked back on a lounge chair under a palm tree sipping on a Corona.
pat: No problem! The site more or less explains why I didn’t really start following the Yanks till May of last year!
mel: We had the A-rod scoop before anyone!
Whatever-
No Mai Tai’s?
“Wait, so what about Jewish players? Can they take Saturday mornings off?”
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I don’t want to burst your bubble, but Ron Bloomberg is no longer with the team.
And Sean Green DID take off on Yom Kippur.
The dust won’t settle until them both stop plagiarizing my name. LOL.
Sweaty Giambi. Enticing.
“The “dress†time is 11:45″
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By the way, dress time was at 9:00
Pete overslept.
PETE OVERSLEPT!
He was at strip clubs all night last night!
He found a place that had “2 for 1″ lap dances!
(kidding)
this may be a dumb question but isn’t judaism a religion?
why is someone jewish simply because their mother is? wouldn’t that contradict any sort of freedom of religion?
Another Whatever. Pete’s going to have to start taking DNA samples to halt this blatant plagiarizing that’s occuring here.
Five weeks to opening day. Really looking forward to it knowing the guys are in shape coming into ST, whereas they haven’t been in the past few years.
There have always been a plethora of ‘hot prospects’ coming up over the years but in the past they’ve mostly been terminally AAA, or average ML guys apparently hyped for trade bait. It would be great to see Jackson & Tabata turn out to be better than previous ’5-tool’ prespects Ricky Ledee and whoever that guy was that stole Jeter’s bat for a memorabilia hound, leading to his being unceremoniously dealt away.
Likewise, that Melancon, Brackman, Sanchez, Horne et al are more like this year’s holy trinity than all the AAA/5th starter guys that filled in a the beginning of ’07 when everyone was injured.
Meanwhile in Boston … Manny sez he wants to finish his career in Boston. Manny hires Boras as his agent. Boras donates to Epstein’s charity. Will Manny have a big year so he can return to Fenway beyond ’08? Should be entertaining to watch once Boston’s next off-season begins in the second week of October.
If Manny has a good enough year, I say let the Sox spend the $$ on a raise for a guy who’s not going to be what he used to be when he first showed up in Boston. If the Sox don’t sign him for ridiculous $$$ he can’t use ‘discussions with Cashman’ to raise his value because there’s no room (or desire) for him here. Even though Matsui’s skills have slipped a little, he’s still practically a gold glover compared to Manny.
As long as Cashman’s still here, that is.
If not Boston, let Manny go to the Mets or somewhere else.
Boston Dave–I can’t speak for the Jewish religion and tradition, but what about other religions? What about people who are raised in the religion of their parents? Would that contradict freedom of religion, to?
Rebecca,
The other day when everyone was getting on Pete’s case (about following up on A-rod’s comments?) he rebutted and mentioned the audio that’s available exclusively here. Before he mentioned that, I thought myself that this seems to be the only place you get it on a regular basis. Is that the case? Other than YES network & mlb.com, I don’t see much audio/video at any other sites, much less on a consistent basis like here.
Ranting Guy–the gear-stealing guy was none other than Mo’s cousin, Ruben Rivera, he of the memorable line drive single that won that marathon Orioles/Yankees game in 1996.
Ranting Guy,
Don’t talk about Manny’s defense like that if you’re in Boston. The fans here actually sincerely believe that Manny is an above average fielder. It’s funny but true
Mel
I said at the time that nobody would make a big deal about it because it was Jeter who said it.
Sort of like why Alex was asked about the off season story of being a slumlord but Jeter was never asked about the NY tax thing. The new congressionally defined phrase- it is what it is.
Boston Dave: Speaking as the blog’s resident Jew (okay, I’m definitely not the only Jew here but the only one on right now far as I know)
Judaism is as much an ethnicity as it is a religion. I’m not sure why it’s the only-the-mother-passes-it-on thing though you’d have to ask a rabbi, or at least, a more observant Jew!
mel: I think you’re right…Yankees.com will have more video, generally, but as far as posting audio? Nothing like this.
Elizabeth,
If someone’s mother is Catholic, that doesn’t mean the kids are Catholic. It seems that with other religions it’s more about whether or not you practice the religion.
I guess what I’m saying is, for example with the list Doreen posted, if someone on that list had a Jewish mom or parents, but practices a different religion, would they still be considered Jewish and on a list like that?
I’m not trying to stir anything. I am just curious (and clueless with this stuff).
thanks Rebecca. I guess that is what I thought but wasn’t sure.
back to baseball
pat: What is it with Congress and the word “is”?
Boston Dave –
Actually, it’s more like funny but true but amusing.
I’m in NYC but I totally understand what you mean. My brother (upstate NY) his sons, some friends of mine/ours are all Red Sox fans (some friends grew up in Boston), and you can see the brainwashing passed down from generation to generation.
Talk about funny/true/amusing.
Boston Dave–oh no, that’s fine. I was just going on what I know.
A jew will always be a jew no matter if he observes it or not. If you’re not jewish you have a choice to be one or not but if your mother was jewish or you became jewish you are from then on jewish forever.
John–because it’s heritage and tradition as well as faith, correct?
Actually,Boston Dave, the adults I know who are Sox fans (but not the kids) do take Manny’s personality and his defensive skills with a grain of salt. They say he only gets away with it because of ’04 and that he’s been a monster bat for them. They concede they’d probably not like him if he played anywhere else, NY or not.
…. and they’re downright embarrassed with his post-HR conduct.
Actually, what does happen if an ethnic Jew (going by the mother is Jewish rule) practices something else, like Eastern Orthodox Christianity/Roman Catholicism/some denomination of Protestantism/some denomination of Hinduism/etc. etc.? Is the person still considered ‘Jewish’?
And on the otherside of the coin, if a person who isn’t an genealogical Jew, can he/she convert to the religious aspect of Judaism?
The showboating in visiting parks is especially embarrassing to Sox fans, from what I’ve heard. It’s acceptable–yet probably not appropriate–at home, but to do it on the road? Repugnant.
The jewish faith is more than just a belief it is a way of life. And even those who don’t observe the way it doesn’t make them un-jewish. If a person sins it doesn’t make them not a person, same thing if a jew sins it doesn’t make them not a jew.
Blargh: My cousin married a non-Jew but both of his daughters were converted via mikvah (ritual bath). It’s more common in reform or conservative than Orthodox circles.
Yep. The term “Manny being Manny” is actually a Bostonian’s way of saying “Manny being an idiot” or “Manny being an (expletive deleted)”.
Manny’s home run total dropped from 35 in 2006 to 20 in 2007. And he actually played in more games in 2007. He had a hot bat in the playoffs, but even so, if he shows further signs of decline in 2008, Boston will let him go, and that’ll be good news for the Yanks, and bad news for Ortiz.
Any person can join the jewish religion as long as they are willing to keep it’s laws. If a person wants to be jewish s/he goes to an orthodox Rabbi and finds out what s/he needs to do.
Rebecca: Hmm, in that situation, would the children of those daughters then be considered Jewish, as their mothers are Jewish?
Blargh: Yes, as far as my understanding, but again, you might want to check with a rabbi for sure.
Interesting
Thanks for the replies, all
I just flipped on Yankee Classics on YES and Paul O’Neill is really funny in the booth. Makes me want the season to start even more.
And bad news for Boras, who could have another A-Rod experience if Manny still turned around and signed for Boston, for less than Boras tries getting for him elsewhere.
Rebecca, according to orthodox jews reform and conservitive jews are not on the right path so a person converted to reform or conservitive judism are not jewish.
Rebecca, but since the mother is jewish so are the children.
Oy vey … no offense to anyone but when did Billy Crystal take over Pete Abe’s blog?
Is it Manny’s option or Boston’s? If it’s Boston’s, not sure Boras has anything to do but watch.
I’m not mad at you Whatever and as long as you write your name “Whatever (the original)” no one will mix us up and mistake one for the other. Have a great day.
Boras still has Kyle Lohse unsigned. He is holding Lohse out for 5 years/$55 million. Good luck to them!!
I live in a retirement community about 45 mins from Legend (GMS) field. Each spring my son visits from MA and we go to ST. We have given up on attending games as they are pretty boring and the regulars are finished quite early anyway. But what is fun is the pregame workouts, BP and such. You get close enough to the players to hear and see their byplay, antics and repartee. One day last March I was sitting in bleachers watching BP. Joe Torre and Reggie were in a “cat bird” seat behind the cage. Biff from the Letterman show was shooting a bit covering ST. About a week later I found the piece on the web and when I noticed the shots of Torre I figured I was probalbly directly behind him. Sure ‘nough when I paused the video, there I was !! Not only did I enjoy ST I made a subliminal appearance on Letterman. Cool huh ?
If Manny still declines from his ’06 totals I’d rather see him stay in Boston. If he’s like 1998-2004, then we don’t want him in Boston. I think he’ll bounce part way back from ’07, but not totally.
Still, if he’s still in Boston (maybe) and he’s still an idiot (for certain) their fans would still be embarrassed (secretly) by his antics.
I guess it’s a slow day in tampa. Or is it raining? Well is Pete going to interview some player or something.
Pat – I believe it’s Boston’s option …
Whatevered,
OK fine.
Sorry guys, I’m immersed in my neuroscience book. I’m three chapters behind.
Whatever (the original) it’s going to be hard to tell if it’s you or some fake.
Rebecca, good luck.
Ranting guy,
I can understand your thinking, and it would tickle me pink to have Boston pick up his 20 mil. options and then have him take a big dive, have Boston fans booing him, and then have him once again saying he wants out of Boston.
For myself, Ortiz and Manny have scared the crap out of me for too many years now, and to see that combo broken up, and replacing Manny would be extremely difficult, well, it would be a big relief for me.
Whatever, Whatevered, or Whoever, doesn’t matter whichever one of you used the name first since it’s not the exact name each one can keep whatever and whichever name they want. Just make peace with it and get over it.
Pete, how has LaTroy looked so far? We’re all VERY interested in the bullpen.
Whatevered,
Somebody posted earlier as Whatever (the original) as a joke.
I’ll just be Whatever, as I’ve been for a long time now.
It doesn’t really matter how good their ST training went so far by this time next week we’ll know where they all are holding.
Ok Whatever, and I’ll keep posting under Whatevered hope nobody gets confused. Keep enjoying the blogs.
Chill out, both of you, you’re taking this too seriously.
BTW, I don’t want to hear anyone referring to themselves as a “commenter” or a “frequent commenter” at such and such a blog. Just because you spent hours and hours commenting on some blog doesn’t mean you accomplished anything. “I’m a frequent commentor at Bronx Block and I think…” Pullease! It’s like some bad pick-up line. You’re just a person who reads blogs, don’t give yourself a title.
Don’t mean to be grumpy but my hemorrhoids are flaring up and I’ve been growly all morning.
The guy before me that talked about being grumpy is using my name. Thanks for the publicity but please use a different one or something close. Thank you.
This blog is awesome! I’m working on the opposition to a really dull motion and I logged on here for diversion. Not only do I see what’s up with the Yankees, ya’ll taught me something I didn’t know about Judaism in a totally respectful fashion. You rock, guys.
Whatevereder,
You don’t want to hear?
So like who died and made you King? Who cares what you think? Loser.
Back to baseball.
Who does everyone think will make it in the bullpen? Aside from Mo, Farnsie and Hawkins?
I’m wondering if you guys see Hawkins as a half season aquisiiton. Seems to me that the Yankees are going to turn the pen over to the yougsters and just see who can do the job, and Hawkins might be mid-season trade bait.
Whatever Triplets and The Commenter: can’t we all just get along?
I don’t think I know enough about Hawkins to say anything about him.
From what I read and heard it seems like Albaladejo has a good chance although he might first be sent down to AAA for two months. I expect Karstens to make the team as a long reliever.
I am the real Whatever both of you!
As for the Ynkee pen, when Hawkins and Farnsworthless are two of the three who will make it I get a little queasy in the stomach.
And frankly, I hope Mo doesn’t have a start like he did in 2007.
As for the rest, I think Girardi is going to throw anyone that knows how to windup against the wall and hope something sticks.
I happen to be another resident Jew here on the blog and read much more than I post.
Rasner (if added to 25 Man Roster for that Carl guy)
Albaladejo
Bruney
and Joba (if in fact he starts the season in da pen)
Mo
Hawkins
Farnsworth
fleas: Knew I wasn’t the only one
I dunno. I’d kind of like to see how they pitch before saying who makes it into the pen and who doesn’t.
It stinks how good Rasner is (or at least was last season), but the Yankees have too many good pitchers, so he’s never given a chance. It was so frustrating how Torre hooked him last year way too soon.
Who is Jewish?
By Torah law you are only Jewish if your maternal lineage is Jewish.
In other words, if your mother was Jewish, her mother was Jewish, her mother was Jewish, etc. then you are Jewish.
There is no such thing as “part Jewish”. Either you are Jewish because your mother is Jewish, or you are not Jewish at all.
If your father or other male ancestor was Jewish, but your direct maternal lineage is not, then neither are you.
Being Jewish is matrilinear. The mother passes it down, and in fact science has finally caught up with Torah law on this as the “Jewish Gene” has been discovered and it resides in the mtdna (mitochondrial DNA) of Jewish women.
This gene is passed down to both sons and daughters, but only the daughters are able to continue to pass it down. The sons do not pass it down. You can do research on the web on this or contact FamilyTreeDNA.com and speak to Mr. Bennett Greenspan there who does testing for this gene with several geneticists and scientists from major universities.
What the Jewish father passes down (on his Y sex chromosome) is Tribal Lineage. This too has been found genetically. The tribes of Benjamin, Dan, Judah, the Levites, and several others have been identified at this point.
The Kohanim (the Jewish priests, descendents of Aaron the first High Priest appointed by God), which come from the tribe of Levi, have had a huge amount of testing done on them. Please see on the internet “Kohen Gene” or the “Cohen Gene” either one. Over 75% of the Jewish men who claim to come from this priestly lineage have tested positive for this gene at this point.
Anyway, I hope this answers your question. You are not Jewish unless your direct maternal lineage in an unbroken line, is Jewish.By Torah law you are only Jewish if your maternal lineage is Jewish.
In other words, if your mother was Jewish, her mother was Jewish, her mother was Jewish, etc. then you are Jewish.
There is no such thing as “part Jewish”. Either you are Jewish because your mother is Jewish, or you are not Jewish at all.
If your father or other male ancestor was Jewish, but your direct maternal lineage is not, then neither are you.
Being Jewish is matrilinear. The mother passes it down, and in fact science has finally caught up with Torah law on this as the “Jewish Gene” has been discovered and it resides in the mtdna (mitochondrial DNA) of Jewish women.
This gene is passed down to both sons and daughters, but only the daughters are able to continue to pass it down. The sons do not pass it down. You can do research on the web on this or contact FamilyTreeDNA.com and speak to Mr. Bennett Greenspan there who does testing for this gene with several geneticists and scientists from major universities.
What the Jewish father passes down (on his Y sex chromosome) is Tribal Lineage. This too has been found genetically. The tribes of Benjamin, Dan, Judah, the Levites, and several others have been identified at this point.
The Kohanim (the Jewish priests, descendents of Aaron the first High Priest appointed by God), which come from the tribe of Levi, have had a huge amount of testing done on them. Please see on the internet “Kohen Gene” or the “Cohen Gene” either one. Over 75% of the Jewish men who claim to come from this priestly lineage have tested positive for this gene at this point.
Anyway, I hope this answers your question. You are not Jewish unless your direct maternal lineage in an unbroken line, is Jewish.
People say that being Jewish is a religion and not a race, but with this info I tend to disagree that is totally true. I am jewish by genes and blood, and my mother and her mother and her mother etc .. are all Jewish, but my daughters mother is not Jewish… does that mean she doesn’t have any “Jewish Genes”. See above and decide for yourself, I tend to think if she has the genes then she is jewish as well as what her mother is.
That’s just me..
sorry for the double paste.. I may be Jewish but it doesn’t mean I know how to single click a mouse
Fleas
Are you going to be at Spring Training next week or the week after???
I wonder if Jennifer’s bird’s ok. Has anyone heard?
So, basically, what you’re saying Fleas, is that Adam Sandler needs to redo his song.
Andrea
Havent seen her post anything today.
Pete, do you guys get free food at the park? Since you are the media. Wow, I’m going to go make myself a hot dog right now. I’m glad I came here because now I’m hungry after asking that question.
Afternoon all, I posted last night that my bird was ill. I just wanted to give a quick update. He still wasn’t himself this morning, so I took him back to the vet, and they did a blood work up and stool test on him. I am waiting for those results and should get them back tomorrow. I now have to hand feeding him baby formula to supplement what he isn’t getting food wise. It is like feeding a 6 month old apple sauce. He takes it and hides it in his beak than spits it out. I also have medicine that I have to give him. Hopefully what ever it is, is working it’s way out of his system and the blood tests will just point to an infection that will get knocked out with the medicine. Fingers crossed!!!
jenn: Keeping my fingers crossed!
One chapter of neuro down, two to go…
utility man – I parked on the grass adjacent to the stadium. I got no autorgraphs.
Jennifer: I was just asking if anyone had heard about your bird! I had a sick lizard once and I had to feed her baby food and give her baths in warm water to keep her warm. I had a similar problem of her refusing to eat it and then biting my finger. Animals can be funny.
If I was so upset about it, it would be funny. He holds it in his mouth, than turns his head and spits it out on a towel. He did eat some of it, so at least he got something in his stomach.
Jennifer,
What kind of a bird do you have?
I’ve had a number of exotic birds for pets over the years including a yellow-naped Amazon parrot that I had to spoon feed as a baby for a couple of months till he was weaned.
I’ve been through a number of bird illnesses and one general rule of thumb for any bird illness is to keep them warm. Tropical birds are very intolerant of drafts, especially when their under the weather. Bird vitamins in their water will also help them ward off any bugs they might pick up.
Anyway, hope yours is feeling better soon.
You girls will all make great moms. In fact it’ll be easier, kids aren’t as high maintenance.
whatever
He is a c ockatiel. He has a lamp above him and he is partially covered.
If Pete reads through all the comments on this thread, his head may spin around like the Exorcist.
…Now, THAT is an interesting image.
UtilityMan:
I am going to the USF game and most of the day games providing I can get away from work.
Jennifer: yeah, with my lizard, who is still alive and well and huge, by the way, they said that even if she spit out most of the food, she was likely eating some of it. So he’s probably getting something. And baby food has a lot of hydration in it too. I know, wrong word, but I am sick with the plague, so I’m not thinking clearly.
mel: I don’t know. I can’t just put my kid on the dining room table and watch it fight with its own reflection in a napkin holder. Those were fun days.
This may be Pete’s blog, but it’s everyone elses chatroom!!
respectfully, “science” does not need to be “catching up” with any religion/fairy tale and their various make believe stories that are often prejudiced/racist/sexist and the cause for much of the problems in the world that were made up thousands of years ago because humankind was too ignorant and unintelligent to understand what was happening around them. the best of us have evolved past religion and those that havent are dragging us down.
that said, i think latroy will be good but farns will actually be better but get injured just after the trade line.
haha, that’s true, pat, but the comments in this thread go from pitching, to Jews, to birds to Whatever/ed/er
pat: Just as long as Pete doesn’t mind!
Kill-Schill(ing)
I do recall the great one, Sandy Koufax declining to start the first game of the 1965 Dodger-Twins World Series in observing Yom Kippur. he did pitch 3 games in that series and actually lost one game although his era for the entire series was only 0.38.
Of those 3 games, Koufax pitched 2 complete games giving up only 1 earned run for the entire series and 29 strikeouts in 24 innings.
I still remember the last game, game 7 a classic, Jim Kaat another future HOFer vs Koufax, Koufax pitched a 3 hitter and struck out ten to win 2-0 and win the series for the Dodgers in 7.
In 1965 Koufax pitched a career high total of 335 innings so his era climbed above 2.00 for the first time in three years to 2.04.
But in 1965 Koufax still managed 27 complete games and 382 strikeouts during the regular season, amazing. He was the most dominant pitcher I saw in my life time, if I had to give the ball to one pitcher for one game, it would be Koufax in his prime.
Hey it is hits on his blog.
EYT: I’m far from the most religious person on the planet, and in most cases take science over religion, but I find that comment slightly offensive.
National Geographic, among others, has been working on a human genome mapping project, I do not find it hard to believe that, seeing as Judaism is as much an ethnicity as it is a religion, there is a gene we share in common.
Jennifer,
I’ve got a pair of cockatiels right now. Both of the gray variety. Cockatiels are great little pets, very friendly.
There was however, the time when a few years back one of them removed a diamond out of an earring I was wearing while he was sitting on my shoulder. You know how they like to nibble. I don’t know if he swallowed it or spit it out or what. I never saw it again.
Sounds like your doing all the right things with the heat lamp and food supplements, etc. Good luck.
Sigh. We were swimming along so nicely until someone had to bring some hate to the party.
Ellen,
Hate is a strong word. How about disagreement?
I want to add my 2 cents to the religion discussion at this point. Over time I have developed the opinion that most laws of a religion (most, not all by any means) or rules or what-have-you are developed as a means of survival of the people, or the propogation of the people. Some religious rules or laws that were established centuries ago do not, or rather, may not have the same import today.
In my humble – very humble – opinion, it would do the world well for some (if not all) religious leaders to look into the history of their law and instead of blindly following them, perhaps restructure them to the very pressing needs of modern society.
Jennifer –
Good luck caring for your sick bird.
I too am Jewish. As others have stated Judaism is in the maternal lineage because you know who the mother is for a fact.
Jennifer – hope that your bird is ok.
rebecca, sorry all im saying is that just because jewish matrilineal law happens to match up with the science it doesnt mean that the jewish law has any validity or is based on any posits that would hold up to rational discourse, which cannot be said about the genome mapping, bc it has to be vetted thru the scientific method.
EYT,
I too am not a religious person, after all my family happens to be traditional Jews, but I am engaged to a girl whose family is Roman Catholic. In fact, I hate anything about organized religion and even more so that a Christian had asked me if my mother was “saved” when she found out she passed away. I specifically told that women, “No she is burning in hell, but rumor has it they have good Bingo”.
Basically what I am saying is that I do not judge anyone on there personal beliefs, but when their beliefs target me.. I head for the high ground. Suffice it to say that the majority of jews share very similar physical features… i.e. big noses …
So there is something to be said about the fact that certain “Jewish genes” do exist.. even it if represents nothing more than a big nose.. Jewish law or Christianity is all for each person as an individual to decide.
To me there is no difference between Christian fanatics, Muslim fanatics or any other religious zealot.. they all can be poison in their own way.. granted you don’t see many Christians suicide bombing.. but they will hold those who have not accepted their beliefs in contempt.. and in the end they think they have proof that 2000+ years ago reality is equivalent to todays. Which does nothing more than segregate.
Sad world we live in today.. when every human is fallible but are prejudice towards people in this life and seem to hold on to that in the after-life if in fact it actually exists. As if they know..
Oh look there is Mother Teresa on my French Toast! Call the pope!
Homer SImpson said it best, “I don’t even believe in Jeebus!”
the numbing of religion is a great way to push accountability on to a higher power instead of owning ones own shortcomings.
agreed fleas. read the God Delusion by Richard Dawkins when you get a chance, great and fun read.
Any word on whether or not Giambi is growing back the creepy ‘stache to go along with the sleaze-ball hair he has going on? It would be a perfect match.
Honestly, I go to spring training all the time. Its so relaxing to just sit there and watch baseball. The first couple of times I was running around to all the fields trying to see verything. But now I usually just go in and get a seat in the first row of the main field and stay there and watch. Its great just to be out in the sun and hear the crack of a wooden bat. And no matter how many times you go, its still awesome to see A-Rod and Jeter up close.