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	<title>Comments on: Committee seeks Clemens investigation</title>
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	<description>A Yankees Blog by Journal News beat writer Peter Abraham</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/27/committee-seeks-clemens-investigation/#comment-263292</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"we told you he was a lyinâ€™ con artist."

Hey Pete!  It looks like Senator Mitchell posts here too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we told you he was a lyinâ€™ con artist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey Pete!  It looks like Senator Mitchell posts here too!</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/27/committee-seeks-clemens-investigation/#comment-263125</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who has been caught in the most public dishonesty this year?  Or this decade, for that matter?

Congress?

The Justice Department?

Baseball players?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who has been caught in the most public dishonesty this year?  Or this decade, for that matter?</p>
<p>Congress?</p>
<p>The Justice Department?</p>
<p>Baseball players?</p>
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		<title>By: deadrody</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/27/committee-seeks-clemens-investigation/#comment-263123</link>
		<dc:creator>deadrody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's ridiculous, is what it is.  I'm ashamed to say this is my government at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ridiculous, is what it is.  I&#8217;m ashamed to say this is my government at work.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcy</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/27/committee-seeks-clemens-investigation/#comment-263104</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to there being no "pure" evidence that we know of there must be 2 valid witnesses to pursue the perjury charge. McNamee is not considered a "valid" witness because he has lied to Mitchell, in his deposition, and the Congress (even though they aren't going after him). Andy isn't a "valid" witness because in his deposition he said Roger told him...
Unless there is a lot more that we don't know about this is a distraction for Andy to worry about - and I'm sure everyone has let him know about it and will work further against Roger reaching the Hall of Fame.
I do find it questionable that none of the Major League Commissioners wants any legislation on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to there being no &#8220;pure&#8221; evidence that we know of there must be 2 valid witnesses to pursue the perjury charge. McNamee is not considered a &#8220;valid&#8221; witness because he has lied to Mitchell, in his deposition, and the Congress (even though they aren&#8217;t going after him). Andy isn&#8217;t a &#8220;valid&#8221; witness because in his deposition he said Roger told him&#8230;<br />
Unless there is a lot more that we don&#8217;t know about this is a distraction for Andy to worry about &#8211; and I&#8217;m sure everyone has let him know about it and will work further against Roger reaching the Hall of Fame.<br />
I do find it questionable that none of the Major League Commissioners wants any legislation on this.</p>
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		<title>By: murphydog</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/27/committee-seeks-clemens-investigation/#comment-263064</link>
		<dc:creator>murphydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so fast on the blowhard Texas lawyer stuff. 

In order to maintain a perjury prosecution for lying about PED use (Steroids and HGH) the Government still has to prove that what Roger was injected with was what McNamee says he gave him, namely, Steroids and HGH. The Government has to prove, among other things, that Roger knowingly made a false statement. Without a positive test, I don't think the Government can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Roger knowingly lied when he testified he never used PEDs or HGH.   

The McNamee syringes? They have a lousy chain of custody so any evidence gained from that stuff is suspect - - if they happen to get any positive results at all. McNamee had these items under his exclusive control for 6 or 7 years in non-laboratory or sealed condition and could have tampered with them at any time. He certainly has a motive - - to stay out of jail by nailing Clemens. Contrast the Bonds case where there is a positive steroids test under almost laboratory conditions and lawyers are still saying that it might be tough to prove Bonds knew of the test results and thus that he lied under oath about taking steroids. 

Clemens has yet to fail a test. So McNamee can say it was steroids and HGH all he wants but unless he has a chemical test to prove that what went into that syringe was HGH or steroids (he likely doesn't) the Government is the party in deep doo doo if they are serious about bringing a perjury charge. (Although if I had to guess, the Government would probably try to use Radomski along with McNamee to re-construct a chain of delivery right to Clemens if there is a trial). 

It ain't over till it's over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so fast on the blowhard Texas lawyer stuff. </p>
<p>In order to maintain a perjury prosecution for lying about PED use (Steroids and HGH) the Government still has to prove that what Roger was injected with was what McNamee says he gave him, namely, Steroids and HGH. The Government has to prove, among other things, that Roger knowingly made a false statement. Without a positive test, I don&#8217;t think the Government can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Roger knowingly lied when he testified he never used PEDs or HGH.   </p>
<p>The McNamee syringes? They have a lousy chain of custody so any evidence gained from that stuff is suspect &#8211; - if they happen to get any positive results at all. McNamee had these items under his exclusive control for 6 or 7 years in non-laboratory or sealed condition and could have tampered with them at any time. He certainly has a motive &#8211; - to stay out of jail by nailing Clemens. Contrast the Bonds case where there is a positive steroids test under almost laboratory conditions and lawyers are still saying that it might be tough to prove Bonds knew of the test results and thus that he lied under oath about taking steroids. </p>
<p>Clemens has yet to fail a test. So McNamee can say it was steroids and HGH all he wants but unless he has a chemical test to prove that what went into that syringe was HGH or steroids (he likely doesn&#8217;t) the Government is the party in deep doo doo if they are serious about bringing a perjury charge. (Although if I had to guess, the Government would probably try to use Radomski along with McNamee to re-construct a chain of delivery right to Clemens if there is a trial). </p>
<p>It ain&#8217;t over till it&#8217;s over.</p>
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		<title>By: redsoxfan</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/27/committee-seeks-clemens-investigation/#comment-263061</link>
		<dc:creator>redsoxfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we told you he was a lyin' con artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we told you he was a lyin&#8217; con artist.</p>
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		<title>By: abt</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/27/committee-seeks-clemens-investigation/#comment-263031</link>
		<dc:creator>abt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clemens got bad legal advice from a blowhard Texas lawyer who thought they could celebrity-PR their way out of this.

Roger should have admitted to juicing and apologized - and not lied under oath.

Now he's in deep doo-doo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clemens got bad legal advice from a blowhard Texas lawyer who thought they could celebrity-PR their way out of this.</p>
<p>Roger should have admitted to juicing and apologized &#8211; and not lied under oath.</p>
<p>Now he&#8217;s in deep doo-doo.</p>
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		<title>By: Whitey Fraud</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/27/committee-seeks-clemens-investigation/#comment-263011</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitey Fraud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush should appoint Rocket as a special counsel. Then he can just ignore any subpoenas like Karl Rove and Harriet Miers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush should appoint Rocket as a special counsel. Then he can just ignore any subpoenas like Karl Rove and Harriet Miers.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/27/committee-seeks-clemens-investigation/#comment-262976</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is insuffient evidence that Clemens lied to find him guilty of perjury, has Waxman offered to resign from Congress?

Why hasn't the committee asked for perjury charges based on Clemens lying about attending a party at Canseco's place as well????  How can Congress continue to function in the face of these atrocities???

Congressional hearings are not supposed to be about personal disputes.  This whole situation is infinitely stupid.

At this point, I believe Clemens juiced up.  So what?  By the way, how is lying about his personal experiences with PES (or his attendance at a party) "material" to anything Congress is supposed to do?  Materiality is central to a perjury charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is insuffient evidence that Clemens lied to find him guilty of perjury, has Waxman offered to resign from Congress?</p>
<p>Why hasn&#8217;t the committee asked for perjury charges based on Clemens lying about attending a party at Canseco&#8217;s place as well????  How can Congress continue to function in the face of these atrocities???</p>
<p>Congressional hearings are not supposed to be about personal disputes.  This whole situation is infinitely stupid.</p>
<p>At this point, I believe Clemens juiced up.  So what?  By the way, how is lying about his personal experiences with PES (or his attendance at a party) &#8220;material&#8221; to anything Congress is supposed to do?  Materiality is central to a perjury charge.</p>
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		<title>By: murphydog</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/02/27/committee-seeks-clemens-investigation/#comment-262962</link>
		<dc:creator>murphydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note that the letter was a bipartisan request, signed by Waxman and the "ranker," Tom Davis, the most senior Republican on the committee. It's interesting that the bipartisan squabbling in front of the cameras seems to have disappeared when it comes to getting this sticky issue off their desk and onto someone else's desk. Republicans and Democrats agree on one thing: they don't want the responsibility of making the decision about whether Clemens lied. That would mean they would have to do some hard work and even worse, the wrong decision might cost them some votes, god forbid.  

The letter appears to have marshaled only the evidence against Clemens, not including therefore any of the issues with McNamee's credibility, testimony or background. Yet despite rounding up all the evidence tending only to incriminate Clemens, the Committee then states with much gravity and a straight face that they cannot figure out who is lying. Huh??? Given the view of the evidence they put in their letter, how can they say they haven't decided who is lying? Answer: it's called playing hot potato. Let the guys at the Justice Department figure a way out of the mess the Committee helped make. Just another example of Congress at its finest.  

[In the voice of Foghorn Leghorn: "Ahem. I say, I say, I say... son... this is very serious bidness, very serious indeed, this here issue of lyin' to the You-nited States Congress. But serious as this is, we have a system of checks and balances in this fine Country of ours. We in the Legislative branch don't want to be oversteppin' our bounds. Everybody knows that serious investigatin' is an Executive Branch function, something for the Justice Department, not somethin' for the You-nited States Congress to be doin'. So we are going to defer to the professionals at the Justice Department to investigate and report back to us. Y'all have a nice day now you hear?"]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note that the letter was a bipartisan request, signed by Waxman and the &#8220;ranker,&#8221; Tom Davis, the most senior Republican on the committee. It&#8217;s interesting that the bipartisan squabbling in front of the cameras seems to have disappeared when it comes to getting this sticky issue off their desk and onto someone else&#8217;s desk. Republicans and Democrats agree on one thing: they don&#8217;t want the responsibility of making the decision about whether Clemens lied. That would mean they would have to do some hard work and even worse, the wrong decision might cost them some votes, god forbid.  </p>
<p>The letter appears to have marshaled only the evidence against Clemens, not including therefore any of the issues with McNamee&#8217;s credibility, testimony or background. Yet despite rounding up all the evidence tending only to incriminate Clemens, the Committee then states with much gravity and a straight face that they cannot figure out who is lying. Huh??? Given the view of the evidence they put in their letter, how can they say they haven&#8217;t decided who is lying? Answer: it&#8217;s called playing hot potato. Let the guys at the Justice Department figure a way out of the mess the Committee helped make. Just another example of Congress at its finest.  </p>
<p>[In the voice of Foghorn Leghorn: &#8220;Ahem. I say, I say, I say&#8230; son&#8230; this is very serious bidness, very serious indeed, this here issue of lyin&#8217; to the You-nited States Congress. But serious as this is, we have a system of checks and balances in this fine Country of ours. We in the Legislative branch don&#8217;t want to be oversteppin&#8217; our bounds. Everybody knows that serious investigatin&#8217; is an Executive Branch function, something for the Justice Department, not somethin&#8217; for the You-nited States Congress to be doin&#8217;. So we are going to defer to the professionals at the Justice Department to investigate and report back to us. Y&#8217;all have a nice day now you hear?&#8221;]</p>
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