House details Clemens conflicts
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- February
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If you’re interested in the Roger Clemens saga, read this House memo that details seven times where they found conflicts in what Clemens said.
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Peter Abraham
Wow, ya.. How about our politicans actually do something that relates to politics…
both Clemens and McNamee appeared to be lying.
So how come they aren’t persuing perjury charges against McNamee?
Well if one or the other told the truth, it would make things a lot simpler. I don’t think congress likes being lied to, except maybe by a certain attorney general.
Of course, this shouldn’t have gone to congress in the first place.
Your tax dollars at work.
I think I nodded off on page 2.
Having now read that entire memo, let me say one thing: Clemens is in big trouble if they decide to pursue this.
I’d like to see how the can proove he did anything illegal. Remember Bonds and Marion Jones were involved in BALCO investigation. I think Clemens is a cheat and a liar, but I don’t think anyone can proove it.
big guy’s going to prison.
The B-12 testimony looks pretty grim for Clemens, which kind of makes the whole testimony a house of cards. It sounds like he is trying to cover his illegal substance usage with B-12 usage to me. Then again he could be just terrible at counting.
I’d like to see how the can proove he did anything illegal. Remember Bonds and Marion Jones were involved in BALCO investigation. I think Clemens is a cheat and a liar, but I don’t think anyone can proove it.
One word: perjury.
I don’t think Clemens is going to prison over this. If he is, our Congress is WAY wacked out.
Wait…
I suggest we bring back Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis, commissioner of baseball, to investigate Congress for lying.
(This isn’t political in nature; rather, we’ve got a paucity of truth telling flying around these days.)
as far as im concerned, clemens meeting with the nanny before the investigators could get to her smells like witness tampering
I’m hoping that the more they persue this, the mroe fuss the public will make over this..
Chances are Celmens is lying, and that’s not right. Especially since he went under-oath.
But come on.. Why is this issue pushing it’s way to the front of the line? Aren’t there hundreds of other issues out there that should be taking precident over a baseball player? Aren’t there things that have been waiting to be addressed?
“I’d like to see how the can proove he did anything illegal. Remember Bonds and Marion Jones were involved in BALCO investigation. I think Clemens is a cheat and a liar, but I don’t think anyone can proove it.”
Perjury.
But how do you proove perjury? Brian Mac alone doesn’t get it done.
But how do you proove perjury? Brian Mac alone doesn’t get it done.
Did you even read the memo?
anybody listening to mike and dog?
today mike is like a crazed and rabid animal ( worse than dog even)
maddog sharing his crack, possibly?
these guys arent messing around. they know what it takes to empanel a grand jury and they think they have that.
rocket’s got himself in deep here.
i think you may be onto something saucY
blah blah blah blah… legal jargon… legalese….
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Wait what, OK, I’m awake now - I’ll keep on reading. Steroids, Mr. Clemens, legalese, legal jargon, bloody gauze, Debbie Clemens, breast implants, legalese.
There, wasn’t that enlightening and the best use of taxpayer money EVER?!?!
/sarcasm off.
yawn…..next !
So. how ’bout that weather?
thank you rebecca
I read the deposition and there’s no way they can prove Clemens lied or didn’t lie.
Clemens told them that he had a palpagle mass which could have been caused by B-12 injections, which the Toronto doctor corroborates. However the governments own expert *thinks* Winstrol might have caused this palpable mass. Oh give me a break.
Clemens is an idiot. Pure and simple. He got caught and he should have just admitted it. Instead he drags down Pettitte, admits his wife has used HGH, has fake boobs, compares them at parties, lies to congress and generally seems too arrogant to think he could lie as much as he wants because he’s “The Rocket”.
In comparison, Andy gave his mea culpa and life goes on.
All Roger had to do was look at the public perceptions of Bonds vs. Giambi the last few years to realize that admitting it would be the better solution. I will not shed a tear if Clemens does jail time.
Dear Pete,
Can we have a new thread? Something that’ll spread hope and OPTIMISM for the future? Thank you.
Sincerely,
Mel______(fill in the rest)
It won’t stop snowing here. Kind of a drag.
While I definitely don’t think that anyone should lie, especially under oath, I cant believe that these congressmen don’t have anything better to do. Someone spent a long time on these 19 pages.
mel: let’s provide our own optimism!
Like, let’s see…erm…it’s almost the weekend
and there is always some thing nice about wednesdays…like if you like Law and Order…
Hey,
I missed Mike and the Dog today, did I miss anything Yankees related?
Phil Hughes on his blog said that Shelley was trying to organize a tournament (game) with his brother Chris and some other players from both teams. Does anyone know what’s happening with that.
Up until reading that I thought that Clemens had a chance of getting out of this somewhat decently…
Now, not so much.
Unless Clemens received a ton of B-12 shots under the table without medical records… He looks pretty much caught in th emud.
And there is sun in NY - amazing! Cold, but sun. And the weatherman said it was supposed to snow here.
What is he complaining about?
mel
fill in the rest MELANEY MELANGELL MELANIA MELANIE MELANTHA MELBA MELI MELIA MELINA MELINDA MELIORA MELISANDE MELISSA. Am i getting close?
Here i thought the picnic game made all the steroid talk go away. Guess not. Back to steroids and Santana.
Lori: No sun here =( Only snow, snow, and more snow. If this was Christmas morning I’d say it was wonderful, but the end of February? Yuck.
How many feet of snow?
Dubya will never let Clemens go to prison and he shouldn’t go any way. I’d rather congress investigated Dubya!
MikeEff,
Love Law & Order and was very disappointed to find some new show about GEN X’ers in SVU’s time slot last night. Quarter Life? The main character was webcasting her life and she was such a pitiful loser. Feeling sorry about everything. I fell asleep, so I don’t know if she found some ray of sunshine or not. I don’t really care though.
Rebecca, you could have gone to like Florida St. or Arizona St. ya know
Rebecca,
I just wanted to give you some optimist news. Its 76 degrees in Cali right now.
I think my kids may come up to visit you, Rebecca. They keep complaining about the lack of snow days. We got snow last week, but they were on winter break and so — alas — no snow days. Snow is not as much fun, apparently, if you don’t miss school.
So Glad the Games have begun!!!!
Time for some Baseball!!!
murphydog, our resident ‘legal expert’ said that there’s no way they could prove perjury because they can’t prove that Clemens used steroids. Even if McNamee is to be believed, you can prove that what Clemens was injected with was actually steroids.
What part of Cali Drew? I’m heading to Santa Clara next week for a business conference.
We have reached a point here where this further investigation isn’t going to do any good. Crucify Clemens, go ahead, but really why bother….and at what cost.
LET IT GO already. . . Waxman and company. The american people DON’T CARE.
Put you efforts into making the country a better place to live. Spend the Millions on education instead of late night photocopies and taxi rides for office assistants.
And when all else fails….enjoy a chuckle
http://www.theweeklydonut.com/index.php/category/henry-a-waxman/
roda12 we’ll see whether the lawyers at the justice department agree with the lawyers for congress or whether they agree with murphdog.
SNY actually said Mets official call Eddie Kunz the next Joba
jennifer: About a foot on the ground in the past two days alone.
Drew: I could, but I didn’t.
Oh man. That report really tears apart Clemens. Hard to believe.
I’d rather see replays of the Juice Simpson trial in it’s entirety.
At this point if anyone believes clemens they’re delusional.
so Eddie Kunz from Oregon State at 21 will jump to the ML according to Mets scouts, this should be interesting
While this may seem like too much ado about too little, it’s foolish to blame Congress for this. That’s a fan reaction. This likely shouldn’t have come before Congress, and the Mitchell Report process was certainly flawed, incomplete, and somewhat ill advised.
But people can’t be allowed to testify untruthfully to Congress or US legal bodies under oath without repercussion.
Is there a makeable perjury case here? I can’t say, I’m not a lawyer. But Clemens overall statements here are seriously inconsistent, and largely uncorrorborated, while McNamee’s have a degree of corroboration from other witnesses and related evidence.
Prison? Doesn’t seem extremely likely. But his reputation is taking a very serious hit here, and a lot of that is his own doing. Sad, really.
The issue with Clemens and Congress is not whether or not he actually used PEDs (and I believe he did), but that he lied to Congress. When you are under oath you have to tell the truth about everything.
The President was busy today. He entertained the Boston Red Sox at the White House this afternoon.
well I’ll be back later when the Clemens talk is over with.
Later people
so what’s everyone eating for dinner?
no offense to several posters who i enjoy, but why do people feel they have to post that they arent interested in the subject pete posted.
if you arent interested the other 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999987% of th internet is open to you and you could maybe just not say anything and come back when there is a subject you have something interesting to say about
Groucho Waxman: Sir, this is not your time to argue.
Congressman Chico: What time should he argue?
Congressman Harpo: Honk, Honk, Honk
Chico: Three O’Clock?
Grouch: Order in the court
Chico: I’ll order a martini
Harpo: Honk, Honk
Chico; He’ll have two
Groucho: This is ridiculous.
TV Audience: Amen!
Clemens should go to jail if he lied. He’s the one who insisted on this hearing and it’ll look terrible if he insisted just so he could lie.
I wonder if they’ll let Roger pitch on the prison team - ala “The Longest Yard.”
Y’s Guy,
Guilty as charged.
Sorry if you guys have a discussed this. Great article on the Big 3:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/02/26/yankees.arms/index.html
Dinner? Gee - too early to think of that. Any suggestions?
Y’s guy. i think you’re missing the point. we fans are, by in large, tired of the clemens saga and would prefer to be just talking baseball. or almost anything else.
Phil needs to do something with his hair (from si article picture).
It reminds me of the Kewpie mayo character:
http://www.amazon.com/Uwajimaya-Kewpie-Mayonnaise-17-64-Oz/dp/B00023T3IA
mel,
I don’t know if we discussed it, but it was posted yesterday or Monday night.
I know everyone’s sick of this (as am I), but I skimmed the memo, and there’s nothing new in there. They may indict him, but I don’t see any way he could get convicted on the evidence that’s come to light so far. Plus, of course, a trial must conform to the rules of evidence (where things like hearsay will keep out some evidence - particularly Pettitte’s wife’s affidavit), and witnesses will be subject to cross-examination.
lori: Well, I’m a pasta buff myself, but, mind, on a college budget my diet doesn’t change very much.
about to heat up some eggplant parm leftover from sunday. the first time i tried making it. probably a sandwich.
Roy Hobbs: lol
mel: mayonaise on amazon?
I could eat pasta every day without eating anything else if I was forced to.
What team hat is Roger going to wear when he’s offically inducted into the US Bureau of Prisons?
I don’t want to be overly critical - I know many posters here treat this as a social site and I guess that’s fine. And I understand how tiresome the Clemens thing has become. But what are you having for dinner? Thanks for sharing, I guess. But perhaps IM would be a better media venue. I mean I really enjoy reading the Yanks related stuff here from all the regular posters of all opinions including the diners (Clemens in my mind qualifies more than our dinner plans), and I appreciate the desire to be positive.
So how about turning to the post about today’s intrasquad game and talking about baseball for those of us more interested in that.