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Igawa lone downer as Yankees roll

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Feb 29, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Kei Igawa has a lot to prove after the Yankees dropped $46 million on him and he pitched more innings in the minors (77.1) than the majors (67.2) last season.

The Yankees have gone out of their way to appease him this spring, letting him do all the extra throwing he wants. Joe Torre and Ron Guidry had little time for him last season. Joe Girardi and Dave Eiland are trying to make up for that.

Igawa entered the game today in the sixth inning with a 9-0 lead After getting an out, he walked the No. 9 hitter on five pitches. A walk and a hit batter loaded the bases with two outs.

Igawa then left a slider high that a pinch hitter, Eric Baumann, hit for a grand slam. Baumann had two at-bats all season and struck out both times. Keep in mind he was also swinging a wood bat and missed the 2006 and 2007 seasons with a shoulder injury.

Yes, it’s only one game. But it’s more evidence that the Yankees tossed $46 million out the window.

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129 Responses to “Igawa lone downer as Yankees roll”

  1. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge February 29th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    I knew it was a bad signing the minute I heard we ‘won’ the bidding. I hope Cash learned his lesson, no pitchers from Japan!

  2. Jim PA February 29th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    They should’ve traded him for a stadium usher this past winter.

  3. Sara February 29th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Jim i don’t even think the Yanks would have gotten that for him

  4. NJ in Tampa February 29th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Just got back from the game. Needless to say, I was not surprised that Igawa sucked as usual. Joba looked good, especially in the second inning. Kennedy was alright, he started off a little slow giving up a hit but then came on. It looked like he was just trying to get comfortable out there. Hughes was dominant. Marquez and Horne both looked very, very good.

  5. Sara February 29th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    stupid move by the yankees. they should have just left it alone that they were outbid by Boston for Dice-K and have walked away.

  6. Fred Zeppelin February 29th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Word just in:

    Hideki Irabu thinks Kei Igawa is a joke.

  7. kd February 29th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Well, you can’t trade him now. He does cost 4 mill and it might just be best to send him packing.

    that said, the trinity looked very good

  8. Jay February 29th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Why, why, why didn’t they let the Padres take him? Yeah, they would have lost that bid money, but who cares? This guy will NEVER pitch for the Yankees’ big-league club. He is a total waste. He needs to be in the NL. He’s basically a giant zit on the Yankees’ nose. Everyone wants to act like he’s not there, but it’s too obvious to ignore, and you can’t just hide him. It’s a total embarrassment.

  9. DDariane February 29th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    just posted it in the last thread but thought i should carry it over..

    HANK STEIN just ripped ESPN & RSN. Hankenstein is the greatest

    http://tinyurl.com/34kfzb

  10. Stephen February 29th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    With Igawa, it’s all about expectations.

    Had Wang or Pettitte had the same sort of outing, we’d all chalk it up to rustiness, working on pitches, etc. But when it’s Igawa, we roll our eyes and say “here we go again.”

    Yes, it’s only Spring Training. But Igawa has a lot to prove, and he ain’t pitching his way onto the team with performances like this.

  11. Bill Porter February 29th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Guys, I know he has an ugly history with us but it’s the first game of spring training (not counting that little I-S thing). I suspect we’ll be throwing him under the bus soon enough and with good reason but can we at least wait till the thing is moving?

  12. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge February 29th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    There is a difference all those guys you mentioned have done it here before. So if they get hit, we know they will find their way back. Igawa hasn’t done anything here. He proves he can get ahead on a hitter than he walks them. HE doesn’t know how to put a hitter away.

  13. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge February 29th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Also take Kennedy for instance, he bends in the begining of games but doesn’t break. He tries to get his legs under him and does. By the 3rd inning he is crusiing.

  14. murphydog February 29th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Cashman has to be cringing.

  15. Clay Bellinger February 29th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Yes, The Igawa signing was a bad one, but you can’t tell much from a spring training game. He will probably never amount to anything with the Yankees but don’t cite a meaningless game to say 46 million dollars was wasted.

  16. Flam February 29th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    46 Million WASTED

  17. bodhisattva February 29th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    So the guy sucks. It’s only money. It isn’t as though we’re relying on him to fill some big role. Next?

  18. Chuck February 29th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    My memory is really bad… what was the justification for bidding and paying a $26 million fee for the right to sign a mediocre pitcher? Is this Cashman’s fault or someone else?

  19. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 February 29th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    I’d love to be Eric Baumann right now though…

  20. MikeEff - Shelley at First February 29th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    hey listen we just have to look at his inning today as comic “relief”

    no point in wasting our time complaining when we had such awesome performances by ALL the other pitchers as well as all the hitters. ( aside from big G, but he’ll come around)

    overall. a lot to look forward to and build off of.

  21. Big Joe February 29th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    I just heard that Irabu called Igawa a fat puss filled toad

  22. Dr. Cox February 29th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    I dont necessarily blame Cashman, or anyone for that matter. There is no way anyone could have predicted that Igawful would be THIS bad.

    However, I am not discouraged. With so much money coming off the books next year we can definatly move some pieces around.

  23. jimmy1138 February 29th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    So without Igawa’s bad inning the Yanks win 11-0 and give up 1 hit – in another article on this blog that’s called “bad karma”.

  24. whozat February 29th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    “what was the justification for bidding and paying a $26 million fee for the right to sign a mediocre pitcher?”

    Well, the Yankees saw reports that he could be a 4/5 starter. The bid was a one-time payment that wasn’t subject to lux tax. If it worked out, you’d have a decent MLB lefty starter signed to a REALLY reasonable contract for his prime years. You could either hang onto that or flip him to a prospect-rich, money-poor team. If I’m the Yankees, and I believe those reports, I do that in a second.

    Problem is the reports may have been totally overblown.

  25. rbizzler February 29th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Being that we are talking about the lefty problem in the Yanks ‘pen I thought that I would repost from the last thread…

    We’ll see if Marte gets moved. It is not a given as his salary is only 2 million for ‘08.

    The problem is that he has a 6 million dollar option for ‘09 (250k buyout). If the Pirates keep him and let him walk, they should be in line for Type B compensation. The Yanks would conceivably have to offer a package that Pittsburgh felt was equal to or greater than the sandwich round pick they would get.

    As has been mentioned before, there is no way to tell what the Pirates F.O. will do. I know that it is a new regime in place there, but they don’t have the greatest track record as an organization.

  26. CB February 29th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    “My memory is really bad… what was the justification for bidding and paying a $26 million fee for the right to sign a mediocre pitcher? Is this Cashman’s fault or someone else?”

    A number of scouts (and not just yankee scouts) thought Igawa could be a #4-$5 starter in the major leagues.

    He was also going to be much cheaper than the other free agents available at that time who profiled to also be #4-5 starters such as Ted Lilly because the posting fee doesn’t get counted for the salary cap. Only his $4million salary does.

    The move has been an absolute disaster. There’s no two ways about it. I think its a larger issue of MLB teams being wrong on their scouting of Japanese pitchers.

    Even a guy like Dice-K performed nowhere near his expected level of production. Okajiima was brought in so Dice-K would have another japanese player to speak with. He was complete after thought.

    Igawa takes the cake but there have been a lot of wrong calls on Japanese arms.

    Even this off season there was a flurry of prognostications about the 21 year old Yu Darvish who’s the best pitcher in Japan right now. When it was rumored he might get posted after 2008 there was speculation that he could bring a $100 million posting fee because of his age and “stuff.”

    There’s no excuse for Igawa. But there have been a lot of bad calls on Japanese pitchers. MLB as a whole doesn’t have a handle on how to scout and project that pool of talent yet.

  27. whozat February 29th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    I mean…if they guy could provide 180 innings of 4.75 ERA ball in the AL at 4 mil a year, that’s a player that a lot of teams, especially NL teams would want.

    Did that REALLY seem so outlandish?

  28. 56Bomber February 29th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    I think its really time to just let the guy walk. Who wants to waste coaching time and money on him when we have so many young pitchers on whom the coaches should be focusing?

    He’s been given more opportunities than most because of the price tag we had to pay but we are now throwing good innings after bad. I mean I think this has passed the Pavano situation as the most frustrating and embarassing to have to deal with on a regular basis. At least Pavano knows enough not to even try.

  29. whozat February 29th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    “But there have been a lot of bad calls on Japanese pitchers. MLB as a whole doesn’t have a handle on how to scout and project that pool of talent yet.”

    It’ll be interesting to see how Kuroda does.

    One thing I’ve found interesting is that, at least with Igawa and Matsuzaka, their control numbers REALLY didn’t translate. I mean, I know the competition is at the AA/AAA level, but we use K:BB and BB/9 and K/9 to evaluate minor leaguers here, and they’re pretty good indicators of future MLB success. Why is that not the case with these Japanese guys? Neither Igawa nor Matsuzaka walked many guys in Japan. That was one of their biggest strengths. And, yet, we see Igawa have MASSIVE control problems when he gets here, and Matsuzaka throwing 120 pitches in six innings with regularity because he’s always behind guys and walking people.

  30. The J Train February 29th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    hey, look, I listen to alot of stuff that I dont like to admit that I do, but listening to James Blunt…by yourself and crying to it is just really, really gay. Actually, its beyond homosexual, its so beyond homosexual that if two gay dudes were walking past us and heard you say that, they’d be like “man that was gay”.

  31. MikeEff - Shelley at First February 29th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    “hey, look, I listen to alot of stuff that I dont like to admit that I do, but listening to James Blunt…by yourself and crying to it is just really, really gay. Actually, its beyond homosexual, its so beyond homosexual that if two gay dudes were walking past us and heard you say that, they’d be like “man that was gay”.”

    what is WRONG with you dude? homophobia just isn’t cool.

  32. raymagnetic â„¢ February 29th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    “So without Igawa’s bad inning the Yanks win 11-0 and give up 1 hit – in another article on this blog that’s called “bad karma”.”

    No, it’s bad karma when you beat two college teams 36-0 and take 26 walks in the process. That’s why Cano swung at a 3-0 pitch when the Yankees were already up by 9. Do you not understand this?

  33. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 February 29th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    JTrain, that comment might fly in deep red America, but it doesn’t here.

  34. The J Train February 29th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    I dont have a stat for it, but Im pretty sure their control problems have soemthing to do with the different balls used in the US and Japan.

    Homophobia? I dont think I ever mentioned anything about being afraid of or hating gay people. I simply said that listening to James Blunt by yourself and crying to it it beyond homosexual….and that is just a cold hard fact.

  35. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 February 29th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    raymagnetic: I’m curious, how long did Boston’s starters last in those games?

  36. CB February 29th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    “It’ll be interesting to see how Kuroda does.”

    I agree. From what you hear he has good control. If he doesn’t have command here I think that says somehting.

    I think it’s becoming clear that the issue is that the strike zones here and in Japan are just much different.

    They pitch up because they’ve been doing it all their careers – that’s the way the strike zone is structured. Their BB/9 rates are good there because they are throwing the ball according to the way the zone is there.

    It’s interesting that Nomo was probably the most successful japanese pitcher and his strenght was keeping the ball down with that nasty split finger. He probably never made a living in Japan by working the upper end of their strike zone there.

    No pitcher in any league could be successful walking as many guys as Igawa does here.

    Throwing the ball between the knees and the belt is a real skill. Igawa just doesn’t seem to have that skill.

    I think Dice-K will further regress this year. Guys are going to be even more patient with him.

  37. fleas February 29th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    I was at the game, I left before that. Wow, and to think that 46 million went to Igawa that could’ve gone to Santana.

    Anyone think Igawa and Pavano make a good couple?

    I’d say offensively, Jorge looked the best. He had just missed an HR, but 3 of his 4 at bats he squared the ball perfectly.

    Jeter opened his spring getting hit by a pitch.

    Arod got his first RBI..

    Somone truly gave Giambi a re-shrink-ulator and he didn’t pull the ball once..

    Got Melky’s autograph… and we gave him a bag of lollipops.
    Talk to Tony P. for a bit and heard some kid call Guidry “Mr. Lightning”.

    #2 signed many autographs.. I got there late while he was signing some guys ball and then walked away.

    OH it really has started, it’s baseball time!

    I’d say out of Phil, Joba, Ian, .. Phil seemed like he had some nasty stuff working.. but all pitched really well!

  38. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 February 29th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Fleas, sounds like you had a great time.

    “Anyone think Igawa and Pavano make a good couple? ”

    –Only if you write slash.

  39. CB February 29th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    “Homophobia? I dont think I ever mentioned anything about being afraid of or hating gay people. I simply said that listening to James Blunt by yourself and crying to it it beyond homosexual….and that is just a cold hard fact.”

    Your first comment was dumb enough.

    You had to make it even worse by giving an explanation that is just plane stupid?

    Where are you getting your “cold hard facts” that describe “beyond homosexual.”

    Just stupid.

  40. whozat February 29th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    “I dont think I ever mentioned anything about being afraid of or hating gay people. I simply said that listening to James Blunt by yourself and crying to it it beyond homosexual”

    So, you consider listening to this guy and crying to be bad, right?

    And then you compare that to being homosexual. So…you clearly believe being homosexual to be a bad thing. Pretty obvious.

    “I dont have a stat for it, but Im pretty sure their control problems have soemthing to do with the different balls used in the US and Japan.”

    That’s a possible explanation. But could it also be that the strike zone is enforced differently? Are the batters less patient? I’d like to see someone actually take a look at all these possible factors. Seems like you can’t accurately scout a Japanese pitcher without figuring out some way to project his performance over to MLB. Clearly we haven’t figured it out yet.

  41. raymagnetic â„¢ February 29th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    “raymagnetic: I’m curious, how long did Boston’s starters last in those games?”

    Rebecca, I only know for sure that Beckett pitched 2 innings. I don’t know about any other pitchers.

  42. whozat February 29th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    “Wow, and to think that 46 million went to Igawa that could’ve gone to Santana.”

    *sigh*

    The 26 mil they spent already is a sunk cost. it’s not factored into payroll.

    You really think that the 16/4 left on Igawa’s deal was the reason they didn’t make the Santana trade? IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE PROSPECTS.

  43. S February 29th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    yea j train take those jokes to queens

  44. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 February 29th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    raymagnetic: I meant the position players, but thanks the same :)

  45. MikeEff - Shelley at First February 29th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    rebecca i’m guessing the boston “A” team probably stayed in as long as ours…maybe 4 or 5 innings…
    i’m hoping we get some audio from girardi today. Hint Hint…

  46. MikeEff - Shelley at First February 29th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    hey one thing we didn’t mention, but it sounded like giambi was solid at first today. caught that line drive in the 1st or 2nd

  47. raymagnetic â„¢ February 29th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Rebecca,

    Their plan was to get two at bats for their hitters and let 5 pitchers pitch. Similar to the Yankees today. They scored 8 runs in the second (on 5 hits, 6 walks a wild pitch and an error, 5 in the fourth and 9 in the six. That’s pouring it on to me.

  48. Rich February 29th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    rebecca- about 2 at bats each. arent

    btw- ray- cano wouldve swung at 3-0 even if they werent playing college kids.

    some of the invitees players who unclassily took walks the same age and perhaps younger than some of teh college kids they played? sheesh. its spring training.

  49. CB February 29th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    As bad as Igawa is you have to live with it. The thinking/ philosophy that the yankees used to sign Igawa is not that far off from the philosophy they used to sign Ian Kennedy or Andrew Brackman.

    Like any smart business the yankees are willing to take on risk using the asset that they have most of at their disposal – in the yankee’s case that is money.

    Now the scale is entirely different with the dollar amounts but the yankees have taken big chances on many prospects – people were certain that they’d wasted a draft pick on Kennedy and then made it even “worse” by giving him a $2.25 million bonus – a record for a guy taken #23. They did the same thing with Brackman – but even more so given his bad elbow and $4.25 million.

    I like that they are willing to take risks in a way that is “rational” for them – with dollars not talent.

    They did blow $46 million on Igawa. It’s wasted – a sunk cost. It’s going to happen when you take risks. You hope most of the risks you take pay off over time.

    This is why spending on the draft and international signings makes so much sense. You make a “major” mistake there it costs you $2-4 million. Not $46 million.

    Look at the young arms. Those risks are paying off in a significant way. Igawa, is not. Take the bad with the overall good.

    They’ve been trying to rebuild and compete at the same time. Igawa was part of that. They took a risk that he could be a bridge until the younger arms were ready. They were wrong. Move on.

  50. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 February 29th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Raymagnetic and Rich: Thanks! I agree, it is pouring it on at that point.

    However I am greatly amused that Michigan played the Mets to a tie.

  51. Steve (Cashman sucks) February 29th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    I just want to say

    GO HANK!!!

    This guy rocks and I am glad to finally have a real owner again. Things havent been the same since the Big Stein was in his prime, calling out the league. At least Hank recognizes ESPN pro Red Sox bias. I have always joking referred to ESPN as (N)ESPN. So at least Hank is smart enough to see this and ignore any ESPN crap that comes from the likes of Peter Gammons, Buster Olney, Jayson Stark, and the list goes on and on and on.

  52. fleas February 29th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Rebecca,

    I did have a great time.. Thanks!

    I am super excited that baseball is back, it’s almost like waking up from hibernation if one was a bear!

  53. Rich February 29th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    rebecca- you misunderstand me. i dont think it was pouring on… most of the garbage time runs were scored by NRI.

  54. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 February 29th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Fleas: See, I’m still in hibernation mode up here.

    Rich: Was referring to raymagnetic with that, sorry for the confusion!

  55. Guiseppe Franco February 29th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Hanks should just shut up. His big mouth is an embarrassment.

    And ESPN is NOT just a pro-Red Sox network. They are a pro-Red Sox AND a pro-Yankees network.

    No team in MLB is covered on that network more than the Yankees. It’s not even close.

  56. #24FTW February 29th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    In terms of Igawa’s sudden lack of control in the Majors, I think that may partially be due to the fact that the Yankees coaches thought that there was too much going on with his pitching motion and they tried to clean things up with him when he came to the Yankees last year. After throwing years one way, and then being told its all wrong, that HAS to mess with your head.

    That being said, I’m not trying to defend Igawa cause everytime he pitches, I feel like I’m going to have a heart attack. But thats just my two cents in terms of his control issues.

  57. ray February 29th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    A few days ago several people in here were ripping Theo for saying something about Moose and how he felt about the trip to Japan. I still remember a few years ago how someone in Red Sox management referred to the Yankees as the “evil empire”. I was embarassed as a Sox fan when that happened. I think it was said out of a sense of inferiority.
    Well now along comes Hank Steinbrenner who calls Red Sox Nation a bunch of (expletive). Looks like someone else has the inferiority complex and has no class now!!! If Yankee fans can talk about Yankee “Universe” then the Sox fans can talk about Red Sox Nation.

  58. back bench February 29th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Yes it’s early, but…Santana got off to a rough start.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  59. Dave February 29th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Igawa may be tied with pavano as the worst signing in the history of the franchise – both of them with cash as the GM. Good stuff.

    I liked what i saw in the boxscore of the game today. Chamberlain with two very quality innings and kennedy looking good as well. Arod 1 for 1 with 3 rbis and a walk is nice to see. You cant beat 14 hits, 8 walks and 11 runs although it would have been nice to see a bomb or two. Posada looks like he is getting off to a nice start with a double and a triple. Melky went 2 for 2 as well. Hughes also had a strong inning of work. Its nice to see the three kids all with two strike outs each in 2, 2 and 1 inning of work. All in all very strong outing by the yanks and without igawa it may very well have been a one hitter. Igawa should just be traded now – we shuld take whatever we can get for him – a long middle reliver with some upside would be perfect to replace his spot right now. Chamberlain should def start this season and their shuld be no questions about it.

  60. Ranting Guy February 29th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Allow me to paraphrase an older yet very appropriate post of mine from Igawa’s last game in pinstripes:

    That guy really (vulgar) and I think he’s nothing but a (defamatory) who should be (obscene, abusive) like a little (libeluous) who (pornographic) with (defamatory).

    Pay all that money just to talk to him is (constitutes a criminal offense) and those who accepted the money are (libelous) who really know how to (pornographic, vulgar, abusive) someone in the (profane or indecent information of any kind) with sand in the vaseline.

    After that (profane) first inning of his I’m convinced this (abusive) guy is a (vulgar) liability and any time he’s performing well is because he’s (obscene) lucky.

    That there weren’t been more opponents scoring is a (obscene) miracle, and that was partly because they’re hardly (defamatory) old enough to shave. But what the (obscene, vulgar & pornographic) can you do when the guy can’t find the (vulgar) strike zone on most of his pitches. Then, the (abusive, defamatory) gives up a grand freakin’ salami to some (profane) who practically hasn’t had a hit since he was in high school! We’re lucky the Yanks beat the living (obscene) out of the (vulgar) ball or we’d really be (pornographic) tonight.

    Yanks fans should voice their opinion by screaming (abusive) or (defamatory) or (vulgar) whenever this guy plays.

    Thanks Pete for kindly the listing a cheat sheet of suggestions above the ’submit comments’ box so we can edit our most vivid thoughts into more civilized comments.

  61. Rich February 29th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    rebecca- just keeping my arguments straight ;)

  62. Ranting Guy February 29th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    One could pretty much clip, paste & edit that one every time Igawa pitches.

  63. Andrea February 29th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    What was the final score of the game? I forget…

  64. Mac February 29th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    “just posted it in the last thread but thought i should carry it over..
    HANK STEIN just ripped ESPN & RSN. Hankenstein is the greatest”

    Are you kidding? He gets more embarrassing by the day. God, make him shut up please.

  65. Dee February 29th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    I have to disagree with people who say this is just a meaningless ST game.

    Igawa came into camp out of shape, and now has a bad first game. I wish I could chalk that up as a fluke but it sounds more like a pattern of an under-performer who’s not doing a whole lot within his power to become better.

    Also, this is a team sport, his teammates’ respect and confidence in him matters. It’s incredible that superstars like Arod and Jeter and pretty much everyone else had the good sense and work ethics to show up in shape, and Kei Igawa of all people didn’t bother. He’s either the thickest guy ever or has the biggest nerves, I’m not sure which is worst.

  66. melkyy28 February 29th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    They were eager to acquire Igawa after Boston got Dice-K…what a mistake Cashman made…

  67. george February 29th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Igawa is an under-30 lefthander who had a K rate of 7+.

    i don’t blame anyone for dreading the sight of him; he’s performed horribly as of Feb. 29 2008. but i personally think he’ll amount to some value.

  68. Bronxbyte February 29th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Santana did give up 33 dingers in ’07 and none were of spring training variety.

  69. Dave February 29th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    george,

    He is giving up grand slams to guys with shoulder injuries who had two strike outs all of last season. Not to mention, this is a college team, no other pitcher let up more than a hit and every one else who pitched was in the minors last yr pretty much. I dont think he will amount to anything of value and he certainly wont amount to 46 mil. At best, he will be our long man who comes in in blowouts one way or the other. It was a rash reaction by cash to losing out on dice k. For a guy that takes forever to make deals and a team that takes forever to annoucne signings this was just a knee jerk reaction with little thought going into it.

  70. Derek February 29th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Kei Igawa is Japanese for Ryan Leaf.

  71. Hideki Balboni February 29th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    You can’t ignore the posting fee. It doesn’t count for the luxury tax calculation, but it’s still real money. The total package for Igawa is nearly $10 million per year. Absurd.

  72. Derek February 29th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    btw, you think you can take off the shades now kei? maybe the lack of light isnt exactly helping you locate your pitches eh bud? I think being as comfortable as possible on the mound needs to get thrown out the window at this point sarge. take the *bleep*in shades off *bleep*head.

  73. OldYanksFan February 29th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    46 Million WASTED
    —————————-
    Well. certainly not well spent, but probably not wasted.
    He gets paid $4m/yr. That’s dirt for a SP. With our young pitchers, we will not need him. He has not future on the team. Cashman et al are simply tring to get him to have enough decent outings that he’s tradable. Even a #5 pitcher costs more then $4, so if he can pitch at all, he’s tradebait.

  74. OldYanksFan February 29th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    My memory is really bad… what was the justification for bidding and paying a $26 million fee for the right to sign a mediocre pitcher? Is this Cashman’s fault or someone else?
    ===========================================================
    See my post above. That $26m was also NOT taxable.

  75. Ted February 29th, 2008 at 9:25 pm

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