Yankees hold the bottom line on Joba
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The Yankees have come to contract agreements with all the players on their 40-man roster. Phil Hughes agreed to $406,350, Melky Cabrera to $461,200, etc.
For players under three years of service time, there is no wiggle room. Their agents can request something, but the team is free to award any salary over the minimum of $390,000. Most teams have a scale based on service time.
If a player doesn’t fall into place and refuses to sign, his contract is simply renewed.
That was the case with Joba Chamberlain. The Yankees renewed him at the minimum of $390,000. He received not one penny of credit for what he did last season.
For most of us, $390,000 is serious bank. But it illustrates the fact that baseball is a business.
Fans complain all the time when players become free agents and hold out for the best deal they can get. But when the teams have the leverage, they use it.
The Yankees will probably sell $390,000 worth of those “Joba Rules” t-shirts this year. It wouldn’t have killed them to kick the kid another $10,000. But as was their right, they didn’t.
That’s why Jorge Posada held out for the fourth year. And why Mariano Rivera waited until he got the bump he wanted.
I’m not asking you to weep for Joba, he’ll be just fine. But when a team doesn’t give a player like that 10 cents worth of recognition, it shows just how bottom line baseball is sometimes.
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Peter Abraham
Was Joba offered a higher amount but didn’t accept it, so the team then renewed him at 390K? I’ve heard that happen to players in the past.
How about IPK? I assume 390K as well?
The yankees are simply doing what they do with every player, they certainly have nothing against Joba but it’s a business. Last year they did it to Wang who had just won 19 games the year before. The players know that’s the way it will always be especially for a player like Joba who’ll still be a rookie this year. Why was he holding out?
They’ll pay Joba what he wants eventually.
Better the Yankees keep it cheap while they can to help with payroll taxes then boost it beyond their wishes. On the other hand Joba should be one of those players who received a pay raise for his great service last season.
Maybe Pavano can give him some spare change if he has any left over.
I’m kinda surprised he didn’t get more than the minimum, but you know in a few years, he’s going to be raking in TONS of dough.
Update: Ohio not allow to release voting results until 9 p.m.
Come on, Hillary–the underdog–pull it out!
It’s kind of messed up Bruney makes more than Joba. It’s even more messed up Pavano makes anything at all.
It could be worse.
Just read that the Rays renewed BJ Upton for 10k LESS than what he made last year.
I agree with Pete here. They could have given Joba a token raise for all he did last year! I guess he got “bugged” again! For sure, he will make big bucks, but $10,000 extra for 07 is a pittance that they could have afforded.
update- no political talk here, especially nothing of the sorts where your pulling for hilary
Update: that’s 9 p.m. EST
If a player makes it into the big leagues and he’s over 30 does he get the same treatment (6 years till free agency) like the young players? Does it also have to do with his time in the minors? What about the players that come from Japan, some sign 3 year deals, are they free agents afterwards?
Yeah it kinda stinks, but the Yankees do eventually fork over the money. ARod, Posada and Mariano got what they wanted, as have many others.
I can’t shed a tear that a guy who’s, what, 21, 22, 23 years of age is earning $390,000 after less than year of major league service.
I’m a realistic person and generally try to keep the money out of the equation as far as my enjoyment of the game. I realize this is an entertainment industry and that teams make money off the players. And if Yankees were a cheap organization, I’d feel differently, but they are not.
How can the Ray’s give upton 10k less than last year? I thought I read that each year has a 30k raise minimum and for sure no pay cuts allowed.
I’m sure Joba will have a host of promotional opportunities this year. Who but WB Mason? could use a new icon/slogan.
Figures. Joba will eventually get what he deserves. Before he does, I can’t blame Yankees for trying to save as much as they can.
No kidding, Only reason people pull for hillary is because they believe in her canned performances. In other words most are not intelligent enough to actually understand policy.
It’s really a shame when people vote because of being branded by television and not spend any time understand each individually policy. I bet 9 out of 10 people can’t even tell you the difference between a republican or a democrat.
It’s a lovely democracy when people vote for a candidate based on what their television tells them.
Hillary is a fraud. She will go back on her word time and time again. Great how she claims to have more experience than Obama. That is like saying the water boy on the sidelines can be a quarterback because he has more experience.
heh.
Sorry. I couldn’t resist.
(Yes, I am for Obama) He is a real human being not a robot.
Good for the Yankees. Joba has to wait like everyone else. He pitched all of 19 innings last year.
If he keeps it up he’ll get the long term deal Wang wanted in about two years. I do appreciate the lack of whining. (I’m looking at you Papelbon, Fielder and Hamels)
Excuse me: 19 games, 24 innings.
LETS NOT FORGET ABOUT THE $1 million+ signing bonus they gave him for signing out of college.
Regarding your “update” earlier today.
Pete, before railing against the unreasonable fan by poking fun at them for giving up last year you might want to check out some of your blogs from June. You were ready to blow the Yankees up including trading Cano who you said was regressing at the plate and average defensively. You were wrong on both counts.
Long term blowing up the Yanks last year by dealing some of the veterans for prospects might have paid off but at least admit you didn’t think the Yankees had a glimmer of hope at getting into the playoffs either after their disastrous NL West swing at the end of June.
fleas -
I see you are one of those compassionate democrats.
Let us keep this in mind next decade when Joba demands a 7 year, $325-million contract. This is the stuff they teach you in a decent graduate-level Knology course. (I think Penn State has the nation’s finest Knology program, but I am biased.)
OK here’s an equitable comparison:
Pavano: Joba:
3 seasons (06-08) 2 months (07)
$30 Mil (10M/yr) +/-$130K (390K/yr)
2 Games 19 Games
1-0 W/L 2-0 W/L
11.1 IP 24 IP
4 K’s 34 K’s
6 ER 1 ER
Sorry … when I said “3 seasons (06-08)” I assumed Pavano won’t pitch this year. I shouldn’t have have gone so far off on a limb and compared the poor guy with what the whiners are apparently expecting from Moose.
Sorry I spaced everything so it was supposed to stack up in columns. Just look harder and you’ll see it.
Hey pete, did ya hear the story about joba flying a poor family from his home town and spending a disney world trip with them?
If joba can do that , im sure hes not worried about his money. The kid also has a tremendous heart.
Ive heard more good things about his community service than almost anyone else.
Joba’s payday is coming.
Why I’m not in a fix about Joba’s salary:
I’m the same age as him.
My annual salary, as it is right now, is $0.
Nearly all of my friends and I are pulling for Obama–Hillary is a divider, and, also, a symbol of the establishment for the past twenty years of my life.
Unfortunately, even optimistically speaking, I will be shocked if Obama OR Hillary beats McCain.
(/end politics)
What field of study is knology? The only result I can find for that is a cable company by that name. Any list of -ologies that I’ve checked don’t mention knology.
Ignore the Clinton trolls and they will go away
Sorry for interrupting the baseball talk, I never post, but being an Obama supporter, I agree that although I do like Hilary, she is too polarizing a figure to do what needs to be done.
As for the republicans winning this year, with the record democratic turnout as it is, with such a weak republican running (one that doesn’t have the support of its base), and with the phenom of Obama’s ability to bring independents and republicans to his side, if the Democrats do lose, I will never vote again.
On with Baseball talk! I lurk alot, but I read everything that is typed on this website =)
joba got a million dollars from the yanks when he signed 2 years ago! and it’s not like what he’s getting (plus per diem) wont be enough to tide him over till he hits arbitration in a couple of years.
Shed no tears for Joba. He’ll be seen a lot both in and out of uniform on TV and magazines everywhere.
A hot commodity is a hot commodity…
Pete
I remember last year reading that Wang renewed at a lower amount rather than accepting a higher amount offered him by the Yankees. What’s the benefit of a player doing that? Is it a passive protest of sorts?
Everything in life boils down to business. It’s enough to make you depressed if you think about it long enough.
In any case, I highly doubt that Joba is all too upset about only getting the minimum from the Yankees this year. From all I’ve read about him, he’s much more the type of person to be happy and grateful for all he’s blessed with - and getting paid $390K to do something you love to do is a heckuva blessing…
pat if i was a betting man id put money on the players association having something to do with that…
It’s true that this game is just a business, but this isn’t a big deal. As long as Joba continues to reach his vast potential, the day will come when he can name his price. $390,000 is small potatoes compared to the amount that he could be making one day. The opportunity to make $390,000 would greatly satisfy me, though.
Juggy - You must have a lot of free time. But, be careful. Reading the blog too much can do strange things to your mind - Just look at some of our comments! (jk)
My one political comment - I find it interesting that, on a blog dedicated to the NY Yankees, one finds supporters of Barack Obama. Not saying that it’s good or bad, mind you, nor am I endorsing any one candidate, just that it’s interesting that we have fans here who support what one might consider the most “establishment” of teams, on the one hand, and a political newcomer (Obama) on the other.
We are an eclectic bunch.
Obbama trolls, how can you say “candiate for change” when he agrees with Hillary on 24 out of the 25 major policies?
Obbama, “candiate for change”, LOL, more like “candiate who copies” because he’s got no record, no experience. And only just can give a “speech” better than George W.
Obbama. LOL.
fleas - not to keep the politics going here, but lol @ the water boy comment
gotta say, a guy with that little experience scares me.
Joe: The establishment team, sure, but we’re relying a heck of a lot on kids, not to mention a new manager!
bob and jmo: Kennedy didn’t have a heck of a lot of experience, either.
Sometimes it’s the guys without the experience, the ones who aren’t jaded or corrupted by it, that give you the best chance.
Peace on the politics guys. I love talking about them to but keep it civil. This is America. Its people disagreeing that prevent it from becoming a dictatorship but its a lot nicer if you can stay civil.
I`m an Obama guy but I don’t get how any Democrat can be disgusted with either candidate when they have similar stances on the issues.
I prefer Obama because he has taken nothing from special interest groups and I think he can better work with republicans as president. Also he`ll fair better in the general election.
C’mon …
sorry but its hard to talk about Joba getting ONLY 300 K when America is deciding the next president. Know what I mean? I`m done though
Red Sox scout caught masturbating to two girls ages 13 & 14 as well as two women ages 20 and 29. Guess a big part of “The Nation” is pedophilia and assembling mobs to jump a guy out with his girlfriend.
http://bronx-bomberz.blogspot.com/2008/03/sox-scout-caught-with-his-pants-down.html
What a great day for RSN…
We may not agree about politics - or much else, for that matter - but…Let’s Go Yankees! Any my vacation in 24 hours! Tampa, here I come!
Huckabee = Igawa
Penny wise, pound foolish. I appreciate the point that it’s their right, but it’s lousy PR and down the line Chamberlain’s going to hold them up for umpteen times what they’re stiffing him. Bottom line business is not always good business.
I think that yankees offer Cabrera’s salary is unfair.when did Cabrera come in to magor league and when did Hughes come?However,nothing gonna fair in the world,isn’t it.Cabrera did the great job in the past of two years for yankees.Hopefully he will be get some increase next year.
“fleas (almost always negative)
March 4th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
No kidding, Only reason people pull for hillary is because they believe in her canned performances. In other words most are not intelligent enough to actually understand policy.”
So, in other words, anyone that doesn’t have your particular political view isn’t intelligent?
Please leave.
The point is some people are voting based on the word CHANGE. Just silly isn’t it? It’s just a motto and no more than that. No one can make much change unless she/he is running to be a dictator.
Kennedy? let’s see, he gave a fancy speech on going to the Moon, did Marilyn Monroe, and oh yeah, Bay of Pigs.
I agree that Obama and Hilary have 99% policy similarities, and such was the case of all the democrats that were running. We are a party with a set of basic ideas that we all believe in, which usually comes with being in the same party.
That being said, as impressive as Hilary’s accomplishments are, she is not able to work with republicans and will energize the republican base to rally against her. Obama is much more likely to win over independents and the occasional republican.
As for Obama’s experience, Hilary is a second term senator, and obama is a first term senator, there isn’t much gap there, and the legislation he passed on lobbyists and transparency on bidding contracts to put them all on the web for all to see who is getting the kickbacks, and to show all pork in bills is the kind of thinking outside the box that this country needs. 35 years of experience in politics couldn’t come up with these simple ideas? Anyway, this is a baseball blog so I apologize again for going off topic, and I won’t post again, no matter how tempted I may be.
They both have good ideas, but his are just so far ahead of their time and outside the box it’s just scary.
Joba got what, 1.1 million to sign? Which was well over what he should have received for where he was drafted. And how many innings has he pitched?
Kennedy also created the Civil Rights reforms that johnson enacted (as being dead makes it kind of hard to do things, y’know?), and had a plan for getting out of Viet Nam.
Anyway.
“…Obama and Hilary have 99% policy similarities…..but his are just so far ahead of their time and outside the box it’s just scary.”
Wait what?
Joba is a rookie this year. a rookie.
this is a ridiculous post.
Time for a break in the debates, folks. Here are some Lindsay Lohan photos.
Remember that time the Yankees pitched a perfect game today?
Anyone remember that?
lol. Looks like Chris and I had the same idea. Just went about it a different way…
Papelbon is complaining about his salary. Boston is doing to him what the Yankees did to Joba,” no leverafe, we decide what your worth”.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/03/04/red_sox_closer_jonathan_papelbon_hopes_to_agree_to_new_contract/
I would assume that IPK also got $390K. Joba has 55 days of official service time, while IPK only has 30, so if they’re basing salary on service time, they’re both in the same boat.
Andrea: And remember that Kei Igawa had three of those innings?
I realize there’s not much baseball going on at the moment, but I’m trying to eat a very high calorie, high cholesterol snack and all this talk about Hilary and Obama is making me ill.
Speaking of people named Kennedy, Ian goes tomorrow against the Twins. For just a bit in the winter it looked like Ian might just become a member of the Twins, but it was not to be. I’m glad that he is still a Yankee and hopefully will be for years and years to come.
I know very little about the Bay of Pigs Invasion, although it is mentioned in one of my favorite songs, along with Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnny Ray…you get the picture.
I’ll put it simple. Let’s say that Clinton and Obama have 95% the same policies (although I feel that is not true, let’s assume it is).
The main difference between the two of them — if you have not picked up on it by now, then shame on you –
Hillary will tell you what you want to hear if it is public consensus and when the door shuts she will laugh at you.
Barack will tell you what he feels and consider what you feel and work for diplomacy.
If that is not democracy at it’s finest then please scholars tell me what is.
Hillary given speeches is like your wife/husband looking at you with a smile and saying no honey I didn’t cheat on you honest, and although you saw someone leave out the backdoor naked, you still believe your spouse.. because after all they would never do that.
grmf. Wake up america. Voting for a women because she is a woman is as pathetic as voting for a black man because he is black, voting for a robot.. because it is our only chance to get a robot in the white house.
tisk tisk. You can do better people, this is your furture. Educate yourself.
Rebecca: I DO remember. And Traber. Lefties pitching perfectly!
murphy
Cheesecake?
they’re both terrible but i would rather have igawa than mussina. igawa atleast has a better chance of improving compared to mussina who is old, frail, and egotistic.
” BX 12 Fordham Rd.
March 4th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Huckabee = Igawa ”
My favorite comment of the night.
pat:
Yes it’s cheesecake. (Hey, wait a minute… you can’t see me, can you?)
Murphydog,
Maybe you should have some of Micky d’s Mcain to go with that healthy snack to help you in the morning.
I really do appreciate the perspective you give here on baseball, but let’s keep it there, ok?
Let’s keep politics AWAY from LoHud.
Go to another forum for that stuff.
Guiseppe Franco: how ’bout those lefties?
Now I know that anti is really off his rocker. He’d rather have Igawa.
Jennifer: shhhhhhh. don’t feed him!
Murphy
If I could see you, I’d be standing next to you holding a fork.
If I’m going Hi Cal, Hi Chol., cheesecake would be my weapon of choice.
Sorry
hangs head in shame
Andrea,
LOL. I think Traber could make the team if he continues to get lefty hitters out in ST.
However, I don’t think it’s a given that the team will carry a lefty in the pen for the sake of carrying a lefty. He will have to earn his spot.
Igawa will be pitching in Scranton and Henn will probably be pitching for another organization since he has no options left. No big deal there.
I’d rather keep another right-hander in the pen instead of a token left-hander.
it’s ok Jennifer. We can forgive you. Glad to see you’ve joined the anti-anti coalition. I’m VP
So, can we continue the streak of perfect innings tomorrow?
Guiseppe Franco: I still love your name. I am with you 100%. I just find it amazing that lefties got people out and pitched any part of a perfect game, even a truncated on. And Igawa had anything to do with something perfect.
Can we please keep this blog politics-free? I usually don’t much care what you guys talk about. But political stuff if going to drive people away.
That Papelbon really has a big ego doesn’t he? Comparing himself to Mo whose been doing this for 13 years is really ridiculous on his part.
Just flew in from Tampa……….Rain there…..Rain Here!!!
Guiseppe: So when I go to a Scranton game in June, I’ll be seeing Igawa on the mound?
Hmm
What do you guys think–will Montero be up in Scranton by then? Or am I way totally dreaming?
Montero was hitting the ball very well on Saturday in Clearwater.Very Big Kid
Utility
Give us your take. Who impressed you?
Update: Ohio likes Hillary. Hillary wins.
raymagnetic,
i noticed that also. but i dont expect anything less from papelbon - one of the cockiest and most arrogant players in the league (not close to beckett though).
Update: stop posting politics on this blog.
Ensberg is doing well…..gave a lot of credit to Kevin Long.
I spoke to Kevin Long on Monday Nite at a Restaurant…he said the pitching (as usual) is the key…..The Offense will not be a problem.
Shelley Duncan is very focused…..he has made just about all road games,including today (2 hits).
raymagnetic,
i noticed that also. but i dont expect anything less from papelbon - one of the cockiest and most arrogant players in the league (not close to beckett though).
PapelPoop is getting to be like Schilling………”Put a sock in it”
raymagnetic,
i noticed that also. but i dont expect anything less from papelbon - one of the cockiest and most arrogant players in the league (not close to beckett though).
Rebecca,
I highly doubt it but you can still hope.
On Saturday I met Clare of this blog…she was able to pick me out with the jersey I was wearing.
Weather stunk today…….very windy….then rainy…..no sun.
But I did get Yogi and Damon to sign Baseballs!!
raymagnetic,
i noticed that also. but i dont expect anything less from papelbon - one of the most arrogant players in the league (not close to beckett though).
Boston Dave, I guess the arrogance is a Boston Sox thing.
“What do you guys think–will Montero be up in Scranton by then? Or am I way totally dreaming?”
Way totally dreaming. The guy has work to do on being a catcher. He’s only played in rookie ball and he’s what…18? He hasn’t even played above short-season leagues yet.
If he makes it to Trenton this year, I think that’d be a big deal for him. I figure they want him to withstand the rigors of catching for a full 140 game season (100 - 110 games, probably) before pushing him up the ladder.
Boston Dave: Ah, well, I can dream.
Thanks Utility
Papsmear is starting to become one my least favorite players.
No Problem pat
Oh and Spike Lee was there today
and Mr Jeter as well.
As far as the Mussina/Igawa debate I am torn. Mussina has the experience, but it seems to me that Igawa will be better in regards to foreign affairs. It is going to be a tough choice for sure.
UtilityMan- Thanks for the updates. Shelley Duncan has a great opportunity and it’s great that he is making a statement in the early push for the first base job, although it is still early.
Rebecca- It is too early for Montero to reach that high at this point, but never fear, Jesus is coming soon.
Montero was killing the ball on Sat in Clearwter during BP.
He is a big kid….some have said he projects as a 1B in the future.
Kyle Anson a former 3B is getting some travel time.
He is now catching…and might be behind Cervelli,definately ahead of Pilittere.
It’s time for Yankee fans to take up a collection to buy cheese to go with Papsmear’s whine.
Is Groundhog Day (I mean the movie) available on iTunes?
UtilityMan-
How was the concession stands? What do hot dogs go for? Beer?
Legitimate bawlbaby in Boston. Waaaaaaaaaa !!!!
http://www.bostondirtdogs.com/
20 ounce bottle of Pepsi is $3.50
Hot Pretzel is $4.00
Beer I think was $6.50
Programs are now $4.00 up a dollar
Parking is $10.00 at the old lot where the Sobrero stadium once stood for the Bucs.
Lemonade I think was $5.00
J-Dawg, actually, I have a lot to fear.
I’m Jewish.
Thanks UtilityMan!
Anyone else see that comical photo of Papelbon at that charity dance off in Boston ? Photo is on “Sliding Into Home” blog, hysterical. Looks like a cross between Michael Flatley and Carson Kressley.
Now he’s whining about $$$ and tossing comparisons to Mariano around. Get over it, we’ll look for you on a future episode of “What Not To Wear”.
Is this URL correct? I’ve somehow stumbled onto a political blog.
How’s it going everyone? Haven’t read through the comments, but I assume that everyone wanted more Hughes. I bet everyone’s dismissing Igawa’s stellar outing because it was against minor leaguers and because ST outings don’t count.
I missed the game and the aftermath. Anyone want to share their impressions. I’ve already gathered that it was quite wet. Thanks.
mel: a lot of people spent quite a bit of time complaining about Moose. Again.
Some of us were psyched that there was a combined perfect game, even if it was truncated
Thanks, Andrea.
Is Joba up tomorrow?
(Hope he’s not mad. I’m sure that Joba knows it’s business. They did the same thing with Wang last year. The Yankees overpay later for loyalty now.)
I know Kennedy starts tomorrow. Not sure about Joba. I think Pete said Joba was scheduled to pitch on the same days as Kennedy.
Joba’s the starter tomorrow, Ian pitches the Igawa role today
Thanks, Andrea. I’m going to sign off now, so that you can get some rest. Thanks for keeping me company. lol.
mel: it’s you who was keeping me company! I get nightly coughing fits at midnight until about 5am.
Brandon: thanks for the info. All I was hearing was Ian starting tomorrow.
The players don’t give their teams a break, so why should a team just give extra money to a player before arbitration and free agency? It works both ways.
Papelbon ?…who is Papelbon ?…never heard of the BUM !
I just read about Papelbon in today’s paper. Yes, he’s good at what he does, but he’s only been doing it for 2 seasons. To suggest that he should be setting salary standards for closers at this point in his career is preposterous.
A lot of why people respect certain baseball players is because they have a humility about them, and a quiet purpose. But I think Papelbon is simply a reflection of his generation - outspoken and wanting it all now, without having to put in the time. I know I generalize, and I apologize for that - there are always exceptions.
I am so tired of the overcast, rainy days. I’m ready for some sunshine!
Ralph Nader = Carl Pavano
PLEASE DONT TALK POLITICS HERE…LETS KEEP IT BASEBALL TALK.
Melki deserves more money,Joba and Hughes will get cash sometime in the future(as well as Melki)but i do believe that the Yankees can pay a little more to the future of our team.Just to make them happier.
The yankees should cut Joba loose as in prep him and put him in the starting lineup. Don’t hold this young man back anymore then you have to. The starting pitching staff should be Wang, Joba, Pettite, Kennedy and possibly Jeff Karstens. I would start Mussina in the bullpen for long relief and a spot starter. They should also put that other young kid named Shelly Duncan in the lineup. He has all around power and should be your everyday 1st baseman.
I love Joba but his body of work last year is small. There are a lot of flashes in the pan-Shane Spencer, Bubba Crosby etc. String together two good season and will take care of his kids, kids , kids.
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