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First try at projecting the roster

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 05, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

As it stands right now, here’s a semi-educated guess at what the roster will look like on March 31:

Lineup:
Johnny Damon LF
Derek Jeter SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Jason Giambi 1B
Jorge Posada C
Robinson Cano 2B
Shelley Duncan DH
Melky Cabrera CF

Rotation
Chien-Ming Wang
Andy Pettitte
Mike Mussina
Phil Hughes
Ian Kennedy

Bullpen
Mariano Rivera
Joba Chamberlain
Kyle Farnsworth
LaTroy Hawkins
Jeff Karstens
Some LHP (Traber, Henn or Phillips)
Some RHP (Bruney, Veras, Ohlendorf, Albaladejo)

Bench
Jose Molina
Wilson Betemit
Chris Woodward or Nick Green
Hideki Matsui

Notes: I think it’s 50-50 at this point whether Matsui starts the season on the DL. If he does, Morgan Ensberg could make the team. … If Ensberg hits, it’s no lock that there will be a second backup infielder. Betemit is working a lot at SS in camp. Can he play 2B? … There is going to be a long reliever for certain and Girardi wants a lefty. The fight for that final spot will be interesting.

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203 Responses to “First try at projecting the roster”

  1. Tyler March 5th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Wow, I guess it really says something about Shelly’s defense if he’s at DH and Giambi is at 1st.

  2. BobS March 5th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Barring injuries, the team as listed wins 95+ games this season.

  3. Joe from Long Island March 5th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Some thoughts:
    1. It really says something that Robinson Cano and Shelley Duncan are the projected 7th and 8th place hitters.

    2. Based on what we’ve seen so far (including Henn last year), it will be either Traber or Phillips for the lefty spot, IF there is a lefty.

    3. The battle for the RHP spot will be fierce. Unless Bruney learns how to throw consistent strikes, his new physique and attitude will be for naught, new contract notwithstanding.

    4. I don’t think Wilson Betemit is a lock, especially if Ensberg shows he can contribute in the field and be a reliable RH bat, something Betemit hasn’t shown.

  4. Joe from Long Island March 5th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    One more thing….I know that I’m not down in Tampa (yet) and don’t have the insight of Pete and other beat writers. But I still wonder if Joe G’s hype of Farnsy is nothing more than trying to get Kyle’s asking price up there for Cash to work with.

  5. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 5th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    I’d go with Phillips and Albaladejo, because I loved Heath Ledger and Albaladejo is fun to say.

    I’d take Woodward over Green, though I liked what saw from Curtis and Lane.

    Why not make a contest out of this?

  6. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 5th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Tyler: I think it has less to do with Shelley’s defense than the fact that the more Giambi plays, the better he is.

  7. Peter Abraham March 5th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Be advised that Betemit is a lock. He’ll be the “defensive” first baseman. Plus he can play 3B and SS. He’s on the team.

  8. whoa March 5th, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Ohlendorf will make the team.

    Karstens shouldn’t.

    There’s no need to take a LH reliever just because he’s LH.

    They don’t need Woodward or Green either.

  9. murphydog March 5th, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    IMO Karstens plays pretty well into the need to limit the number of innings thrown by Hughes and Kennedy and/or Joba. Karstens has pitched well over the winter as a starter and can give two or three innings if necessary. But I agree that picking a lefty for the pen just to have a lefty is pretty silly. A right handed MLB reliever should be able to get out righties and lefties.

  10. Buddy Biancalana March 5th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    whoa-

    Girardi wants a lefty reliever & he also wants a long reliever, that being Karstens.

    Woodward or Green can provide infield depth & can pinch run.

    Agreed on Ohlendorf, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see either Veras or Albaladejo make the team instead.

  11. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    rebecca is right, giambi has historically hit better when he has played in the field. that could well be because he simply used to hit better than he does now anyway, but he does look very fit this year and getting a great performance from big G this year would be huge.
    i think that shelley is no worse defensively at the position with some upside.

    i’m hoping ohlendorf makes the team one way or the other.

    nick green or woodward? a waste of a roster spot. i’d take another pitcher instead. like alby

  12. Bryan March 5th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Rasner >>>>> Karstens

  13. vinny-b March 5th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    if Ensberg continues to hit, then he NEEDS to make the team.

    bench: Molina, Matsui, Shelley, Betemit, and Ensberg.

    why do we need Green or Woodward ??

  14. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    we need a long reliever guys…and karstens should be given the chance. you haven to forget about last year; he was injured

  15. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    i guess the only case for green or woody is whether or not betemit can play at 2nd base.

  16. Patrick March 5th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    No Alberto Gonzalez? He was our utility man for the last few months last year. He has a much MUCH better glove than both woodward and green and probably a better bat as well.

  17. Joe from Long Island March 5th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Pete – I hear what you say about Betemit, but I’m just curious about Ensberg.

    About Giambi being a better hitter when playing first – I’ve always wondered if that association is because he tends to DH when he is hurting. You know the saying, “Just because B follows A doesn’t mean that A caused B.” At least, that’s what my professors always taught me.

  18. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 5th, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Dude, guys, be glad you’re not a Mets fan.

    They have TWO regulars playing right now–Wright and Reyes. Everyone else is hurt or recovering from hurt, including four back ups.

    That’s like, if Cano, Giambi, Abreu, Cabrera, Damon, Posada all went down along with Betemit, Molina, Duncan and Matsui…

  19. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    an article in the Times on IPK

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03.....ref=slogin

  20. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    soon johnny damon will pay a “wounded warriors” visit to the mets camp

  21. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" & watching LeBron guarantee 50 on my Knicks) March 5th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    nice seeing Betemit get some real looks for hard work.

  22. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" & watching LeBron guarantee 50 on my Knicks) March 5th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    what’s up w/ the Mets injuries I mean damn now Alou 8O

  23. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    alberto gonzalez probably needs to get real a-bats in SWB instead of riding our bench

  24. george March 5th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    my diffs on the roster itself:

    - Igawa, not Karstens
    - Traber – situational lefty
    - Veres
    - Ohlendorf – Farnsworth traded

    - Ensberg (or return from Farnsworth), not Woodward/Green

  25. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" & watching LeBron guarantee 50 on my Knicks) March 5th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Ohlendorf looked so good today we should actually consider him in the # 4 or 5 spot if Moose is done. Rick Sutcliff was in awe Ross was hitting 97 mph today and was dead filthy w/ the sinker.

  26. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" & watching LeBron guarantee 50 on my Knicks) March 5th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Ohlendorf looked so good today we should actually consider him in the # 4 or 5 spot if Moose is done. Rick Sutcliff was in awe Ross was hitting 97 mph today and was dead filthy w/ the sinker.

  27. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    george, the reason that they would take green/wood is that they can play all the infield positions. ensberg is a 3rd baseman who is learning to play 1st

  28. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Brandon: that is a REALLY interesting idea on Ohlendorf. i mean he has been a starter and only recently converted to reliever.

  29. vinny-b March 5th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    agreed.

    if Ensberg continues to hit well, then his ceiling is too high, to send him packing.

  30. Bob March 5th, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    My prediction is that Karstens takes Moose’s rotation spot by mid -May.

  31. whozat March 5th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    “Ohlendorf looked so good today we should actually consider him in the # 4 or 5 spot if Moose is done.”

    You ARE aware that there’s a REASON Ross was moved into the pen, right? The fact that he fared poorly as a starter in the minors…because he doesn’t have 3 or 4 pitches. Right now, he has one: the power sinker. And his velocity is lesser when he paces himself in order to last for 100 pitches. And, before you do that stupid thing where you argue by providing a single counter-example, just because Wang has succeeded the last two years does not mean that Ohlendorf can succeed in a rotation with just one pitch. In fact, his performance as a starter in the minors shows that he CAN’T.

    So, I don’t care how much some announcer was drooling over radar gun readings. The guy’s a reliever. Potentially a very good one, but he’s a reliever. And he kind of needs that splitty to develop before I think he can really have long-term success as a setup guy.

  32. youngtimer March 5th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Do you guys think that they’d skip Pettitte’s start on 4/1 and have Moose start on 4/2?

  33. Nate March 5th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Why do you love Jeff Karstens so much? A better bullpen would be:
    Mariano
    Farnsworth
    Hawkins
    Joba
    Patterson
    Albaladejo
    Phillips

    Karstens- Majors: 10.59 H/9, 1.57 Hr/9, 3.14 BB/9 3.30 K/9 1.52 WHIP, 5.65 ERA
    Minors: 9.13 H/9, .71 HR/9, 2.30 BB/9, 7.53 K/9, 1.27 WHIP, 3.48 ERA
    In what way would a pitcher who gives up more than a hit per inning in the minors help out a big league club?

  34. vinny-b March 5th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    if Betemit is the versatile player, he is said to be, then he should be able to handle 2nd base, to spell Robbie.

  35. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    whozat: why don’t you just slap us on the face to really drive home your point

  36. Nate March 5th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Forgot about Ohlendorf. Put him in instead of either Albaladejo or Phillips. He’s way better than both.

  37. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    youngtimer: why do you ask that?

  38. Boston Dave March 5th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Nick Green isn’t making the team. Woodward is going to take that spot. They probably need another utility IF aside from Betemit and Gonzalez, for now, would be best served actually playing in the minors than riding the pine 90% of the time.

  39. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 5th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Dude, you guys won’t believe the argument I’m having with someone I know.

    It’s like this:

    Him: the fact that Giambi is slated to be the Yankees starting first baseman scares me

    Me: have you seen what giambi’s been doing in st?

    Him: he can’t play defense

    Me: heh, you didn’t see today’s game

    Him: if I’m a Yankees fan now I am scared to crap what Giambi and Cano are going to defensively

    Me:…I understand giambi, but you are WAY underrating Cano

    Him: no I’m not

    Me: we’ve got more talent and depth n our youth and minor system than we’ve had in ten years

    Him: there is NO porvable pitching Mussina stinks

    Me: you’re way too pessimistic

    Him: Kennedy started three games last year against three bad clubs Hughes doesn’t have enough of a track record

    Me: it doesn’t mean they’re bad

    Me: every rookie is unproven
    Him: look how many rookie pitchers the team is relying on…Hughes

    Me: Hughes isn’t exactly a rookie any more

    Him: doesn’t throw 94 like he was slated in his scouting report in the minors

    Me: HE WAS INJURED

    Him: it doesn’t matter

    Me: you try coming off a bad hamstring
    and pitching 94.

    Him: I’ve come off worse than that

    Me: And are you pitching in the major leagues?

    Geez, be glad he’s not the GM…

  40. Boston Dave March 5th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Nate,

    look at the limited #s all you want. As Girardi and the pitching staff would tell you, you’re wrong to pull a few stats on Karstens and say he shouldn’t be on the team.

  41. Jeff NJ March 5th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    What about that Lane guy? Does he have minor league options?

  42. whozat March 5th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    “In what way would a pitcher who gives up more than a hit per inning in the minors help out a big league club?”

    Because he doesn’t walk a lot of guys and has shown the ability to get outs at the major league level.

    No one is claiming that he could be an ace. No one is even claiming that he could be a good regular starter. Just that he’s good enough to get through a lineup once or twice in sporadic duty — and he’s not so good that doing so would stunt his growth.

  43. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    rebecca: with friends like those ….

  44. Andrea - anti-anti March 5th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    youngtimer: I hope not. I have tickets to the 4/2 game and someone wants to go with me JUST to see Andy Pettitte!

  45. Boston Dave March 5th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Rebecca,

    can you tell him to never vote either?

  46. Bob March 5th, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Giambi’s defense at first is something to be concerned about. But as long as he hits he’ll make up for it.

    Kennedy is unproven.

    Hughes, I’m not worried one bit about.

  47. whozat March 5th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    “whozat: why don’t you just slap us on the face to really drive home your point”

    Because the designers of the internet foolishly did not add such functionality when they built it.

  48. OhioYank March 5th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    I’m in agreement that Woodward and Green are luxuries we can’t afford. Betemit has lost close to 20 pounds. He can play short if an in-game injury occurs. If Jeter goes down, we can call Gonzalez up. I think Ensberg may be a wise keep by season’s end. He’s hungry and he’s seemingly healthy. There may be scenarios where Duncan and Ensberg could both be in the lineup against tough lefties (Sabathia, Bedard, et al). I’m more concerned about some other issues: Is Damon still a legitimate leadoff man; can we pry a lefthand reliever from someone (maybe Marte?); and how the Chamberlin situation will pan out. It would be sweet if Melancon or Sanchez can take over that role and free Chamberlin for the rotation. Rick Sutcliffe sure seemed to think Chamberlin should be in the rotation…All told, I have immense confidence that Girardi will make the right calls. It’s four games it but it doesn’t take a rocket science to see this team is leaner and more hungry than the previous three years.

  49. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    whozat: touché

  50. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 5th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    MikeEff: Heh, he IMed me just to ask for a ride to the train station on Friday. I told him I would be unavailable.

    Boston Dave: LMAO! Yeah, I’ll get on that.

  51. YankeeJosh March 5th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Rebecca,

    Does he know Hughes was the only Yankee to win a playoff game last year? I say he proved himself.

  52. EdFl March 5th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Peter,
    isnt Bruney out of options? If he’s , considering the team gave a raise, he will either be in the roster or playing for another team.

  53. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" & watching LeBron guarantee 50 on my Knicks) March 5th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    jesus whozat I know why he was moved to the BP, I followed what happened in Scranton w/ his velocity, I said we should consider it not do it. And stop acting like some damn internet thug because you aren’t. I’ve been really patient w/ your comments if you want to chat lets chat if it’s insults then I definitely will ignore your posts.

    I mean atleast CB and SJ explain their points w/ maturity you exactly the opposite.

  54. Elizabeth March 5th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    OhioYank–If Jeter goes down, I don’t want Gonzalez anywhere near the lineup. His supposed slick glove has been anything but. Maybe he’ll be major-league ready one day, but not yet. He needs to stay in AAA to develop.

  55. Nate March 5th, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    “Because he doesn’t walk a lot of guys and has shown the ability to get outs at the major league level.”

    Actually, 3.14 BB/9 is about average, and a 1.52 WHIP shows that he CANNOT get outs at the major league level. Even if you’re think of him as strictly a long man I would rather have Rasner for that spot, who has actually had success in the majors, and at least has ONE plus pitch.

    “look at the limited #s all you want. As Girardi and the pitching staff would tell you, you’re wrong to pull a few stats on Karstens and say he shouldn’t be on the team.”

    Even if you want ignore the shitty numbers, from a scouting perspective, he doesn’t grade too well. Low 90′s fastball, decent change, and no solid breaking pitches. Wouldn’t you rather take a shot with someone with actual upside like Phillips, Patterson, Ohlendorf or Britton? I would try all of those guys before Karstens.

  56. Ross March 5th, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    I like Ensberg or Lane a heck of a lot more than Woodward or Green. The latter two are nothing more than glorified scrubs who haven’t amounted to all that much in their major league careers. At least Ensberg has shown he’s got the potential for great things with his 30+ hr 100+ rbi season in 2005. As an added bonus he can play multiple infield positions and is a serviceable outfielder. Also, is there any speed on the bench? From what I’ve seen of Betemit he’s not exactly much of a speedster. Is there any chance someone like Angelini, Gardner or the Attorney General make the team just for some speed off the bench?

  57. Renee in Boston March 5th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    um…i may have missed it, since i try not to pay attention to the inane ramblings of the steinbrenner duo, but when was joba okayed for the pen?

    i thought hank was adamant about him starting this season?

  58. gayle March 5th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Based on what I have seen thus far Woodward and Green making the team would be way case of emergency especially Green.

    I have been intrigued by Ensberg since they got him especially being a right bat since Betemit has shown no signs eithr last year or so far this year that he can go from the right side anywhere near where he is from the left.

    Scary that Betemit you say is the “defensive” replacement at first base oh the days of Minky (I miss his defense for sure).

    Agree with other Gonzales should not be on this team right now he needs the time to play and he could not develop as needed sitting on the bench in the Bronx.

  59. LCâ„¢ March 5th, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    has Latroy pitched in any ST games yet? if so, how did he look?

  60. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    hawkins had one outing so far and was great

  61. randyhater March 5th, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Giambi shouldn’t even be allowed to take infield practice, much less play first in actual games. Not because his defense is so horrible (although for my money he’s probably the worst defensive player in the sport) but because he injures himself so often and so easily.

    Burn his glove, pinch run for him whenever possible, and keep him in a portable hyperbaric chamber between ABs, and maybe, just maybe, we can squeeze 500 plate appearances out of him. Who knows, he might even agree to play in all of our post season games for a change.

    Likewise, Matsui should be told to learn some first base as quickly as possible, especially if his knees are going to be an ongoing issue.

  62. whoa March 5th, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Buddy,

    Girardi has also said that although he would prefer to have a LH reliever, he would not take one if they weren’t as effective as the RH relievers.

    I think Betemit is a better utility infielder than Woodward or Green.

    Karstens gives up too many flyballs to be effective, and his stuff is that good. There have to be better candidates.

  63. UtilityMan March 5th, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Yes Hawkins did pitch in a ST game….dont have the #s.

    The Bullpen as I see it
    Rivera
    Joba
    Farnsworth
    Hawkins
    Ohlendorf
    Karstens
    Veras or Traber

    Utility INF
    I go with Woodward over Green….but wishing it was Cairo!

  64. Andrea - anti-anti March 5th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Renee, it’s not up to the Steinbrenners. It’s up to Girardi. Girardi still hasn’t said where Joba will be. He’s being treated as a starter right now.

  65. whozat March 5th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    “I said we should consider it not do it.”

    Why should they consider it? Because he looked good in one spring inning against minor league scrubs? They should ignore last season, ignore the things that led him to be moved to the pen in the first place because of one innings?

    If you’re aware of why he moved to the pen, and aware of how meaningless spring stats are, how could you logically conclude that the team should consider moving Ohlendorf back into the rotation? It just doesn’t make any sense. At all.

    I’m not personally insulting you. It’s just that your comments are frequently totally illogical and arguing with you is nigh impossible because you often do things like generalize from exceptional cases. And you haven’t shown the ability to learn from SJ and hmmm, either.

    “I mean atleast CB and SJ explain their points w/ maturity you exactly the opposite.”

    Personally, I feel that I explain my points well most of the time. I provide stats and sources when I can. If I’ve grown shrill, it’s because I’m tired of being polite to someone who shows no interest in developing a more sophisticated understanding of baseball and logical discussion.

  66. MikeEff-Shelley at First March 5th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    that sounded about as close to a personal insult as i’ve seen, quite frankly.

    and i personally have never seen you be polite.

  67. CB March 5th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Thinking over the roster, my main thoughts aren’t really about the specific guys who will be filling the 25 available slots.

    My primary impression is that I’m very, very impressed with the tremendous level, depth and diversity of talent on this team.

    No matter who the exact guys are, I’m fairly confident that this is going to be a very deep and impressive team.

    This has the makings, IMO, of the best yankee team of the past 5 years, in not the past 7 years.

    Offensively, the yankees have always had tremendous talent. But too often in the past the sheer number of runs they scored masked underlying problems. In particular, past teams have been locked into scoring runs in a certain way or according to a general pattern.

    They offense potent, but not necessarily flexible. It couldn’t beat you in multiple different ways and didn’t handle certain situations well.

    Case in point – last year’s offense was the best in baseball statistically. But it proved to be vulnerable to good left handed pitching because they lacked quality right handed hitting. Games against guys like Bedard weren’t just bad – they weren’t competative at times.

    Similarly, last year’s team was very vulnerable because the bench was very thin. That was exposed when all of the injuries hit. They had no answers.

    This year with the emergence of Shelley (if even only as a right handed bat) and perhaps Ensberg – they will be much better against lefties.

    A bench of betemit, duncan, ensberg (?) and molina will be one of the top bench units in the game. For an older team that is critical. This is particularly true if one of your key offensive players is a catcher.

    And with the pitching – what can you say. Every year the team comes to camp and its seems like a scramble for arms and its clear that the offense will have make up for multiple deficiencies.

    The depth and talent of arms they have in camp is unbelievably impressive. Hughes, Chamberalina and Kennedy are an enormous upgrade and given the number of candidates up for the pen something positive will shake out.

    Just look at Ohlendorf did today. When have the yankees ever had an arm like that doesn’t have a lock on a spot on the team. Watch what Veras does tomorrow.

    This may be premature, but I honestly believe this year will mark a major turning point in the team – not only in its performance but in the way they play the game, in the way they can beat opponents.

  68. LCâ„¢ March 5th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    thanks MikeEff :)

  69. Boston Dave March 5th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    If offense was all that mattered, of course Ensberg makes it over Woodward. But Woodward’s versatility gives him the edge here IMO. The Yanks need a Miguel Cairo/Alex Cora type even if it means sacrificing some offense. Betemit is not currently that guy. If he shows he can play solid D at 2b/ss, perhaps things change during the season. But to start out, I think it would help to have a true utility guy until things settle into place.

  70. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" & watching LeBron guarantee 50 on my Knicks) March 5th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    forget I’m not even going to deal w/ this clown anymore.

  71. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" & watching LeBron guarantee 50 on my Knicks) March 5th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    *forget it

  72. CB March 5th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Brandon,

    I enjoy your posts a great deal. I like your enthusiasm and support for the younger players on the team.

    I also enjoy our conversations. Keep it up.

    Keep posting! We’re all fans here. This is baseball, not a final exam.

    It’s going to be a very enjoyable season.

  73. UtilityMan March 5th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    Nicely put Boston Dave

  74. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 5th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    CB: I actually think that turning point happened last July, but we won’t see it’s full benefit till this year.

  75. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" & watching LeBron guarantee 50 on my Knicks) March 5th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    thanks CB and I know what you mean.

  76. Jeff March 5th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    I don’t think we need Woodward or Green… I’d rather see Betemit should fill the backup spots with Duncan there to help out as well… we’d be better off with a bigger pen.
    Olendorf is money. Obviously Joba and Rivera fall in that category too. Hawkins and Farns are on the team.
    Karsteins goes long with the possibility of Igawa as the lefty/long option as well but he would have to have a near perfect spring the rest of the way (could it happen?). Think with the innings limits two guys that could go multiple innings might be wise.
    The final two I’d guess at Albalandejo and Phillips?

  77. whozat March 5th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    “that sounded about as close to a personal insult as i’ve seen, quite frankly.”

    k.

    I’ve been posting here a long time. So has Brandon. I post here a lot, as does he. I feel I’ve only gotten pissy with him in the last couple months. There’s a lot of history, in my opinion.

    Back to baseball, though. That’s much more interesting.

  78. CB March 5th, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    Rebecca,

    I may be parsing words here but I think that last summer was the starting point for this transition but not the turning point.

    I say that because there was still so much uncertainty as to what direction the team was going in.

    I think a major point of transition for the team occurred this off season:

    1. ARod resigning
    2. Phil Hughes not getting traded
    3. Girardi getting hired
    4. Entirely new philosophy put in place to build the pen
    5. The core veterans returning to serve as a bridge to the youth movement that will build over the next few years.

    I think until these things fell into place they hadn’t turned the page.

    Last June change started but it could have evaporated just like that if Hughes had been traded, ARod left, etc.

    In particularly, Joba and Phil’s success down the stretch last year convinced ownership and all of the new york (fans and media) that it was worth it to take a chance on building with youth.

    Until people saw what Joba I think people in New York (even Hank and Hal?) would have had major reservations in building the type of team they’ve assembled now – one that is very deep but also has more uncertainty than in the past, in some ways.

  79. whozat March 5th, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    “The final two I’d guess at Albalandejo”

    Why him over Veras, Bruney, or Britton? There are arguments for any of them, curious to hear yours.

    Also, you’ve got 8 guys on that roster. Mo, Kyle, Hawkins, Joba, longman, Ohlendorf, Alba and a lefty.

  80. PAT M. March 5th, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    I’m with CB on this Yankee club being the deepest since maybe 02…..The pitching depth is unmatched since the days of Bouton, Downing & Stotlemeyer..In the end I think it’s going to come down to the depth of the pen….As for the rotation, it’s so much better than just 2 seasons ago when the likes of Scott Erickson and Sidney Ponson where getting tryouts durinng the season…The bench has an abundance of options to up North ….I’ll stay mum on the Mouse front for now…..

  81. whozat March 5th, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    “I like your enthusiasm and support for the younger players on the team.”

    Nothing wrong with enthusiasm, or supporting young players.

    However, CB, are you saying that you think the team SHOULD consider Ohlendorf for the 4/5 starter role? Or that it makes sense to expect a breakout year from Eric Duncan?

  82. TIME 4 #27 March 6th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    We need andy phillips back asap.

  83. CB March 6th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    “The pitching depth is unmatched since the days of Bouton, Downing & Stotlemeyer”

    Pat M.

    So glad to see your posting more again! Wow – that is quite a statement. I know you’ve seen a lot of yankee baseball and for you to compare the depth of this staff to the bouton, downing, stotlemeyer group is great to hear.

    That speaks volumes.

    This off season I thought about that great story you recounted about the SoCal scout you knew and his assessment of Hughes quite often.

    You said he was an old time area scout who told you Hughes was one of the 5 best high school pitching prospects he’d ever looked at in southern california.

    I asked you who the other 4 were and you said one of the names he put in that group was Tom Seaver.

    I’m so happy Phil is still on the team. In my brain I could see the logic of trading him for Santana – but like you it was really killing me to do.

  84. mird March 6th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    What’s better? Joba making his way to the majors in half a season? Or me making the bench on my college baseball team without ever playing ball in little league or high school (just played casually with friends over summer)?

  85. ugh March 6th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    I am going to vomit if Nick Green makes the team. And I will feel queasy if Woodward gets in over Ensberg. Ensberg is better than both of them. He should be on the team.

  86. jerkface March 6th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    Attorney General is not making the team, he has ZERO offense. I’d love to have him start Wang games to eliminate the Jeter factor, but he just can’t manage to hit. He started to get a better approach last season in the minors, lets see if he keeps it up!

  87. PAT M. March 6th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    CB, I just believe that this is a special time for Yankee fans s they’re about to see wave after wave of some serious talented arms for the next 3-4 years……I peronally find it very exciting…..That 1963-1964 group was very good with such upside…It just was mishandled when CBS took over……By the way TOO much tension tonight guys…

  88. CB March 6th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    “However, CB, are you saying that you think the team SHOULD consider Ohlendorf for the 4/5 starter role? Or that it makes sense to expect a breakout year from Eric Duncan?”

    Whozat,

    This is what I’m saying – I really enjoy Brandon’s posts. That’s it. Here’s the reason why – he’s not dogmatic or pendantic in his views.

    So even if he says Ohlendorf should slot back into the rotation I think we all know its from his good natured enthusiasm for the team. He’s not going to browbeat you with his opinion.

    I think that’s entirely different from people who post nonsense but are so fixed on the idea that they are right that they don’t let up. To me they are nothing at all the same as when Brandon expresses his opinion.

    Sports aren’t real complicated. It’s supposed to be fun. Brandon expresses that and I like reading what he writes.

    If you’d just posted about why Ohlendorf shouldn’t be in the rotation – Brandon’s not a guy who is going to get in some petty argument or get defensive or pretend that he’s the be all and end all of baseball knowledge. He’ll listen to the post and then he’ll move on to the next thing he’s enthusiastic about.

    Again – not pedantic.

    There’s no universal “right” when it comes to baseball. Mostly because it’s just baseball. It’s not that big a deal.

    Talkling baseball does become much less enjoyable when people browbeat others trying to prove they are right.

    Brandon rarely if ever does that (I can’t remember any instances.) It’s good natured stuff.

    I do a lot of work with complex statistics. I work with teams of statisticians. I see people, even “sabermatricians” make elementary mistakes in discussing inferential statistics all of the time. All the time – just simple stuff. And oftentimes they are just so certain who right they are. It’s laughable. They’re completely wrong but are certain they are right. So what.

    But I don’t think it’s appropriate to just keep pummeling them until they admit they are wrong.

    What’s the point. That’s just not the fun part of discussing baseball.

  89. MJR March 6th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    I’m going to get boos for saying this….but I agree with Steve Philips (which I never imagined I would do) – “CMW is NOT a Number 1.” For that matter….no one in that rotation seems like a “No. 1″ to me.

    I’m a firm believer that outscoring opponents during the season only gets you into the playoffs. Pitching gets you rings. I don’t see how we’ve upgraded the rotation by infusing 2 unproven rookies.

    GO YANKS!

  90. PAT M. March 6th, 2008 at 12:26 am

    Good Night Yankee family, as I have a 6:12 Tee Time tomorrow….CB, you’re one hell of a Diplomat…..I’m certain we’ll see that gift many a time over the course of the 08 season…..

  91. CB March 6th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    Pat M.

    I look forward to more of your posts. They are great. I love the perspective of yankee teams past.

    I also always feel bad for Mel Stottlemeyer. I think yankee fans don’t appreciate how good a pitcher he was before he was overworked and hurt his shoulder.

  92. CanIGetAMooseCall March 6th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    “The pitching depth is unmatched since the days of Bouton, Downing & Stotlemeyer”

    Does Mike Mussina as the Number 3 starter really suggest depth to you? It is obvious that the Yanks’ major league rotation is the weakest it’s been in years.

  93. mel March 6th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    It seems like there’s a flareup or two everyday, so can I make a general suggestion?

    How about talking to people here as you would in person?

    The ladies here don’t like all the cyber-testosterone. :)

  94. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 12:38 am

    “But I don’t think it’s appropriate to just keep pummeling them until they admit they are wrong.

    What’s the point. That’s just not the fun part of discussing baseball.”

    The wonderful thing about baseball is that EVERY decision is a tradeoff. And a variety of possible decisions are supportable with stats, scouting and common sense. To me, discussion of all of those viewpoints is interesting and worthwhile. It’s fine to throw something out there that is unsupported and unsupportable, people will just tell you that you’re wrong and explain why. But when that happens multiple times every single day, it really doesn’t add anything to the discourse. I may be cranky, but at least my opinions are logically consistent and I can back them up.

  95. dan March 6th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Way to go out on a limb and pick a reliever.

  96. CB March 6th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    “But when that happens multiple times every single day, it really doesn’t add anything to the discourse. I may be cranky, but at least my opinions are logically consistent and I can back them up.”

    That’s why its just as easy to ignore poster’s one doesn’t agree with.

    This is what you wrote before:

    “If I’ve grown shrill, it’s because I’m tired of being polite to someone who shows no interest in developing a more sophisticated understanding of baseball and logical discussion.”

    Can you see how this might sound rather shrill and a bit insulting?

    And that somehow you’re trying to say your perception of your own logic somehow justifies this shrillness?

    What parameters make it OK to stop being polite? That’s a tenuous thing to try to justify.

    You yourself on this thread have used terms like shrill and cranky in reference to your own posts. You’ve also yourself suggested that you’re not being polite.

    Shrill comments have nothing to do with having logically consistent points of view that can be backed up.

    One doesn’t justify or lead from the other.

  97. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    “How about talking to people here as you would in person?”

    I pretty much am. You say something that I think is invalid, I challenge you to support your point of view. I’ll tell you why I believe you’re wrong, in what I believe to be a civil manner, and challenge you to support what you’re saying.

    Yeah, I’ve gotten pissy with Brandon. Why? Well, Brandon, I feel like I say the same things to you over and over and over again. I’m tired of repeating myself, and so I’ve gotten mean. Not likely to change anything, but that’s what’s happened.

  98. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    “Shrill comments have nothing to do with having logically consistent points of view that can be backed up.”

    I know.

    The crankiness comes from being tired of having to say “no, look…see, here’s how I can apply logic/stats/scouting info to know that your assertion is extremely unreasonable. You could have looked that up, you know” over and over since at least some time last season.

    I guess the right thing to do would be to start ignoring these sorts of posters, but when other, newer posters start agreeing, then the discussion on the blog takes a less informed and interesting turn. And that reduces my enjoyment. So, I can either argue with these people or stop reading.

  99. thisguy March 6th, 2008 at 1:06 am

    the bullpen needs a long man/spot starter and karstens will probably be that guy….

    traber or philips will probably make the team…doesnt mean they will stick with them if they do poorly at the start.

    and yes, as much as everyone loves youth and a farm system, which is the correct way to build a team, it isnt a mistake to be worried about the starting rotation.

    There will be a lot of juggling involved and the young starters will go through growing pains, and even the aging vets like mussina may have their bad streaks.

    with the level of competition increasing, there is no guarantee that the yanks will make the playoffs.

    if a kennedy, melky, plus prospect package was out there to get santana, it should have been completed.

    however, in 2 to 3 years, this team can be very good. I just feel like this year, the last year in the great yankee stadium, will be a very tough year…i think it is fair to say a championship to close out the stadium would be beautiful, but with this team, not this year, maybe in 2 or 3.

  100. CB March 6th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    “I guess the right thing to do would be to start ignoring these sorts of posters,”

    I think this might be a good tact to take. I think many people on the board tonight have grown uncomfortable with the tone of the thread.

    Pat M. and mel are terrific posters. When they are making explicit comments there is a problem.

    There really is no way to justify being mean.

    That you even used that term for your own posts is an issue.

    Mean is a rather extreme position. Especially for baseball.

    “The crankiness comes from being tired of having to say “no, look…see, here’s how I can apply logic/stats/scouting info to know that your assertion is extremely unreasonable.”

    The thing is there is absolutely no reason you “have to” do this. There is no moral imperative to have to right some perceived wrong.

    There are no reasons that would compel one to turn to being “mean” or “cranky” or “shrill.”

    No one is forcing those kinds of comments. I’ve read what Brandon writes – again I really enjoy his posts – and absolutely nothing he’s written should engender meanness.

    An assertion like the one above is also sort of positioning yourself as a moral authority of types. Again, tough position to put oneself in and one that invariably create conflict.

    Especially if the tone of the conversation turns to shrill and mean.

    It’s only baseball. It’s a great game. We should enjoy it. This is a great spring training and people are genuinely excited about it. There’ going to be over exuberance. It’s great – people are being fans instead of being cynical and jaded.

    I’m turning in. I hope things settle down. The roster was a fun subject people wanted to disucuss an quite honestly, things became ugly on this board.

    And that reduced many people’s enjoyment.

  101. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    dan,

    My picks are Karstens (duh), Ollie Oop, and rent-a-lefty.

    Henn’s cooked, Igawa needs seasoning, Traber & Phillips are unknown quanitities. Their pre-Yankee stats don’t impress. Phillips looks a little better to my untrained eye, but they all look good in the Spring.

    I’ll go out on a limb and say Phillips should get the nod. Doesn’t mean he will especially since Henn’s out of options. They need to let that one fly the coop and see if he can hook up with a team that can use his talents.

    Karstens, Olendorf, Phillips

  102. Guiseppe Franco March 6th, 2008 at 1:33 am

    i>”I’m going to get boos for saying this….but I agree with Steve Philips (which I never imagined I would do) – “CMW is NOT a Number 1.” For that matter….no one in that rotation seems like a “No. 1″ to me.

    The Yanks don’t need a dominant “ace” to win a championship. They need to build depth and not focus on having that #1 dominant starter.

    I’ll take four pitchers on par with CMW and my team will win a lot more postseason games than a team with a dominant #1 and three mediocre pitchers following him.

    “Aces” are often overrated because a handful of them get pounded every October. Those guys can get beat at anytime because they have significantly more pressure on them than the rest of the rotation and they are always facing the other team’s #1 guy. I don’t care if you’ve got Whitey Ford in his prime on your side, he can get beat in October if he’s matched up against a Santana or a Beckett when they’re on.

    This is why building depth is much more important. I’d rather have the pitching advantage in Games 2, 3, and 4, than in Game 1.

  103. NJ in Tampa March 6th, 2008 at 1:46 am

    I’d like to keep Joba in the bullpen too but if Mussina does not impress then Joba has to get into the rotation. I would love to see a kid like Horne get a shot at some point this summer if Mussina struggles, or if they just want to bring him up to get Hughes and Kennedy some rest.

  104. Mark McCray March 6th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    A couple things of note. http://bronxstop.blogspot.com/.....-3508.html

    1. Ian Kennedy pitched pretty decent aside from the homerun he gave up.
    2. Melky Cabrera is more than a solid center fielder.
    3. Wilson Betemit will play a big role for the Yankees in 2008
    4. Joba Chamberlain is, and always has been a starting pitcher. Put him in relief and you’ll be sorry.
    5. The Yankees look tough. Period.

  105. Mark McCray March 6th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    Crazy predictions…but I will be right…

  106. nyyfaninlaaland March 6th, 2008 at 2:07 am

    Moose Call –

    How’d you feel last spring? Wang, Pettitte, Mussina (familiar?), Igawa, Pavano.

    Then Wang, Karstens (#6/LR) hurt before OD, Pavano and Mussina before 3rd starts (4/15).

    The sequence of replacements: Rasner up OD, Wright up 4/17, Rasner down 4/20, Karstens active 4/21, Wright down 4/23, Wang active 4/24, Hughes up 4/26, Karstens breaks leg 4/29 – we’re only at the end of April now.

    Hughes pulls hammy 5/3, Moose active 5/3, Rasner recalled 5/5, Clemens signed 5/6 (not active til June), Igawa demoted 5/7, Desalvo up 5/7, Rasner breaks finger 5/20, Clippard up 5/20, – May 29, 21-29, 14.5 games behind.

    I could go on, but does that first 5 plus what followed sound better than today? Igawa’s gone from #4 to #8-9, Karstens from #6 to 7, Rasner from #7 to 8-9, Pavano #5 to rehab, Hughes from #10 to #4, Chamberlain and Kennedy from not on the list to #5 & 6. Horne and Marquez up from nowhere, Wright still there, Clippard and DeSalvo gone.

    But if you think we’re worse off, that’s your opinion.

  107. Karma March 6th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    I haven’t been keeping up, whats wrong with Zilla?

    I know he had off-season surgery, anything else?

  108. RollingWave March 6th, 2008 at 5:05 am

    1. Betemit has played 14 games at 2B and 64 at SS in the majors (mostly for the Braves) he was a SS / 2B mostly in the minors before spending too much time at the buffet table so he could play there.

    2. I don’t think they should carry Duncan / Betemit / Ensberg to start the year. forget about the futility infielder. none of the middle infielders need a defensive sub (well actually Jeter does but I’m not really thrilled of the (lack of) SS ability of Woodward / Castro / Green . and if that’s the case why not carry guys that won’t waste away 5 PA on the days your giving a regular the day off. if they truely feel they need a real glove at SS later on in the year call up Alberto Gonzalez. who actually has a reputation of being a glove wiz instead of guys that’s not really SS but simply small guys that look like they’re SS.

    3. Ohlendorf was SP until late last year. Patterson was a SP in Indy ball, Traber was a SP last year. carrying a guy purely becaues he could go long is stupid. almost anyone can go long if that’s how you use them (i.e actually giving them enough rest). even Krazy Kyle was a SP for the Cubs years back. Karsten / Rasner are break incase of fire emergency starters. carrying them in the pen is just handcuffing yourself. carry guys that can get people out the most effectively is the only way to go.

    4.ditto LOOGY, though i wouldn’t mind too much if they at least give a look to Traber or Phillips . the problem with LOOGY is not the pitcher themself. it’s how you use them. Torre simply never use Myers in any other situation was the biggest problem. having a guy that can get lefty out is good. only using him 1 batter at a time 1 times a week while taking up roster space is very very bad.

    5.presumings that we have 3 open spots in the bullpen. I’d go with Ohlendorf / Traber or Phillips / Patterson right now. though i think i want to see how that shakes out a little more. Ohlendor and Traber / Phillips still started last year. so they could go long if you really want them to. this mix give you the best mix and match ability

  109. Keith FL March 6th, 2008 at 6:49 am

    sorry to beat a dead horse but as I look at this season and this veteran laded offense and closer and Mussina at #3, I still can’t believe we didn’t trade for Santana and get an ace….I like Cashman but he is clueless when it comes to pitching….the ace was there for us and the Red Sox were scared we were going to get him….too much pressure on the young guys…Santana was available and we let him go to the Mets for a bag of balls….it is still hard to believe especially as I read about pitch counts, inning counts with the young guys and we have the offense to win….I like the young guys but it seems this year will be tough to win over 90 games while trying to continue their development in the AL offensive juggernaut…

  110. UtilityMan March 6th, 2008 at 6:51 am

    NJ in Tampa

    How long are you there for???
    Or do you live there???

  111. Paco Dooley March 6th, 2008 at 7:13 am

    I don’t see Giambi playing much 1st base. If Duncan keeps playing well, then he’s an obvious choice to start the season at that position. If Giambi continues not to hit and doesn’t make up for it with his high OBP, then I he’ll also lose out at DH to Matsui (when he is back). I don’t see Joe playing Giambi just to get him at bats with Matsui on the bench, or playing him in the field for that mysterious increase in his offense, which I don’t believe in. If Giambi’s offense is there, it will be there if he is at 1st or DH, and he may stay healthier if he stays on the bench.

    I also think that Morgan Ensberg will make the team and Alberto Gonzalez will be back in AAA unless one of the backup infielders isn’t hitting and is playing poorly in the field.

  112. NJ in Tampa March 6th, 2008 at 7:16 am

    UtilityMan,

    I go to college here:)

  113. Don Vito March 6th, 2008 at 7:44 am

    I really would like them to try a 6 man rotation. I know it won’t happen. It is just my opinion. But if the plan is to start Joba in the bullpen, then drop whichever starter is stinkin’ it up out of the rotation to make room for him, then I like that. And believe me, there WILL be one of those starters that will be ready for demotion. I am not saying that to be negative, but even I realize that not all 5 of those starters will be pitching well for the first part of the season. The odds are way too high against it.

  114. bye to the stadium March 6th, 2008 at 7:51 am

    go to a 6 man rotation and you lose about 11 starts each for wang and pettitte.

  115. eric March 6th, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Veras is a lock to make the pen. Hes gonna surprise a few this year and could be pitching the 8th by september

  116. TurnTwo March 6th, 2008 at 8:35 am

    I think Pete’s got a pretty good lock on this. I personally would take Ensberg over Chris Woodward (Nick Green didnt stick the first time around, so why now?).

    I think Ohlendorf makes the pen as the righties, and Traber from the left side…. Karstens to me is a lock as the long man.

    I also think you’ll wind up seeing Sean Henn and Brian Bruney moved before spring training… They shouldnt make this team out of camp just because they are out of options.

    It’ll be:

    Damon LF
    Jeter SS
    Abreu RF
    ARod 3B
    Giambi DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Duncan 1B
    Melky CF

    bench: Molina, Betemit, Ensberg, Matsui (who i think will start on the DL, which will give someone else a cup of coffee until he comes back)

    starting 5: Wang, Pettitte, Moose, Hughes, IPK
    bullpen: Mo, Hawkins, Farnsworth, Joba, Ohlendorf, Traber, and Karstens.

    that’s a team that can win the AL East.

  117. playballnyy March 6th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    Looks about right to me, BUT if everyone’s healthy going into opening day, I think you’ll need to readjust, take away a bench player to make room for another pitcher, because of the innings limits on the young arms and still trying to find the right combo for the bullpen.

  118. youngtimer March 6th, 2008 at 8:47 am

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  119. Mike S. March 6th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    If Matsui goes on the DL to start the season, wouldn’t it make more sense to take a backup OF north? That means Lane, not Ensberg.

    Karstens has pitched (intrasquad and ST game) 5 scoreless innings so far. He had a good offseason with Team USA. He’s 25. If he continues to have a good ST, he will make the team as the long man/spot starter. Throw last year out the window. The injury at the end of 2007 ST and then the broken leg wiped out his season. There still isn’t enough to judge Karstens on. He has less than 60 major league innings under his belt. In other words, and you can look it up, Karstens has less MLB innings thrown than Hughes. Give the guy a chance.

  120. Bronxbyte March 6th, 2008 at 9:47 am

    Even though it’s 15 days too early for projections, I can see where TurnTwo’s views are near perfection.
    Always allow for at least one surprise.

  121. nyyfaninlaaland March 6th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    I can see the possibility in Turn2′s approach, but I can’t see how Matsui’s on the bench, except if still hurt early but then he’d be DL’d for a couple of weeks, allowing for another. That likely puts Giambi in more than Shelly. Joe G has his hands full keeping guys active. I think Ensberg, maybe Lane, gets carried as the righty bat on the bench. (Maybe Ensberg as trade bait to SF for Steve Kline or add a spare RHP – we’ve got a million of ‘em it seems – for Marte in Pitt if the in-house lefties don’t pan out.) I think Ensberg again is choice since he’ll likely walk if not on OD roster – Lane spent time in minors last year, not so in demand. A second utility IF is 3 hours away in Scranton (Green, Gonzalez, Castro, Ransom). Woodward the most likely add if Matsui’s on DL – no need to carry both Lane and Ensberg as Shelly can also play OF corners like Lane, and Woodward might not hang around if he doesn’t break with the club.

    In the pen, I’d give Henn and Bruney every chance to fail before cutting them loose. Again, keep the options open – if they struggle, it’ll be easier to option them without losing them, so no impact on depth. Ohlendorf won’t suffer from some more innings of relief experience in AAA. It’s not like the first 7 guys are likely to be the only guys used this year. And I could see Rasner being the long guy choice, allowing Karstens to stay stretched out as a starter in AAA in case of a short term starter injury. Problem could be roster spots – with 3 NRI’s added, Sanchez has to go 60day DL along with Pavano, Brackman, or 1 of the out of option guys goes.

    Let’s remember last April/May for the need for depth. It’s the very depth these many options detail that give me hope for a great year. Easier to handle injury. Imagine what last season might have been like without the early problems. 21-29 on May 29, 14.5 games back, to 3rd best record in baseball at end. I bet a Red Sox fan friend on May 29 a Jackson that we’d catch ‘em. Had to pay, but he was sweatin’ in mid-Sept and that was worth it.

  122. Oli March 6th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    What about Edwar Ramirez?
    Am I missing something on him?

  123. Mike S. March 6th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    You are missing his performance of yesterday, where he pitched one inning and gave up 3 runs.

  124. TurnTwo March 6th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Jason Lane has never had the bat Morgan Ensberg has had… so there is a bit of projection there, and hope that Shelley would cover the extra OF slot that would be necessitated with Matsui on the DL. So your OF would be Damon, Melky, and Abreu, with Shelley as the 4th OF, and then Betemit as your primary defensive backup for the IF and PH against RHP, and Ensberg the primary bat off the bench against LHP.

    of course, if Ensberg doesnt hit lefties this spring, he wont be on the roster.

  125. Mike Housman March 6th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    In looking at the roster i say if we see a healthy Giambi, a producing Duncan and a productive Ensberg I think the NYY again consider trading Matsui. I know the Giants need bats so get him healthy and look to move him for Sanchez plus.

  126. Kyle Litke March 6th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    Seems fairly accurate, except that I don’t see Matsui as a bench player. Maybe here and there, but I don’t see how he would be on the bench more often than not while Shelley DHs.

    And carrying both Betemit and Woodward/Green is unnecessary overkill unless Betemit is going to get a lot of time at first base. Better to carry a hitter like Ensberg or a fast runner or something.

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