Comments on: Dollars and sense regarding Joba

By: Jon

Jon — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:31:05 +0000

“Itâ€™s amazing – the Rays look like they are willing to let Longoria completely waste an entire year of his limited playing life just so they can maintain control of his 6 affordable years.”

Why is it amazing? Teams are going to do whatever’s best for them. If the union wants to play hardball with all their demands, I fully support teams in taking what they can get.

By: Jon

Jon — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:28:39 +0000

This is one of the saddest excuses for “analysis” I’ve seen. Not that I should expect anything great from Yahoo, but it really takes 12 paragraphs to discover that starters make more money than setup men? Really?

Even more surprising, Pete, you found it worthwhile to link to it here? Maybe the “fancy” graph convinced you…

In other news, through painstaking analysis and research, I have come to the conclusion that men would prefer to sleep with Jessica Alba than Rosanne Barr – can I get a column on Yahoo! now?

By: Yanksrule57

Yanksrule57 — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:51:28 +0000

Re earlier comments on Longoria:

The Rays may send him down for two weeks at the beginning of the season. If they do that according to the St Pete Times, they can delay his free agency date by a year.
The old Rays management would definitely do that. This new group led by Andrew Freidman, might not. If the manager says he’s ready I think they will keep him in MLB. They are a little concerned with how he handles the pressure of being handed the job. They are looking at the way Alex Gordon in KC struggled last year. I think it also will depend on their read of Longoria’s attitude in the spring. I really think it could go either way right now.

By: Peter Abraham

Peter Abraham — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:10:57 +0000

yazman: Not exactly. Their contracts were held up because they demanded so much to sign, way over the MLB suggestion. The Yankees agreed then MLB held it up, as everybody knew they would.

If Joba and Ian (or specifically their agents) had agreed to slot, they could have been playing on June 15 and gotten more innings in.

But both wanted more and the Yankees were willing to give it. That delayed the process.

By: Yazman

Yazman — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:02:11 +0000

“The reason why Joba and Ian missed short season ball was because the commissionerâ€™s office wouldnâ€™t approve their contracts.”

Thanks, CB. It would have been a tad disappointing if the Yanks and Joba had delayed his schedule over money. Glad to learn a) they didn’t and b) his schedule wasn’t even disrupted.

By: whozat

whozat — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:42:17 +0000

“But Gennaro doesnt answer the questions do the Yanks win more games with Joba as the 7th-8th inning bridge to Marinao or as a starter this year and maybe next few years? Thatâ€™s the issue.”

He said his full analysis looked at win shares too, so it seems like he did look at that question. It’s just not in that article.

But, a good to great starter is worth more win shares than a great reliever. Always. They may have numbers that are lesser, but by consuming more than twice as many innings they make up for it.

By: roundabout

roundabout — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:36:59 +0000

What’s Joba Chamberlain’s best value to the team – starter or reliever.
Gennaro’s theory is based on what starters, set up men and relievers get paid. Anyone can slot Joba into ace, second or third or fourth starter or reliever and look at the paychecks of players around the game.

But Gennaro doesnt answer the questions do the Yanks win more games with Joba as the 7th-8th inning bridge to Marinao or as a starter this year and maybe next few years? That’s the issue.

Or Joba as the eventually the heir to Mariano – a anointment that has not been decided. Maybe Joba sets a new standard like Papelbon in Boston is destined to do.

Nex year’s article by Gennaro – Austin Jackson/Jose Tabata: More value to Yanks as centerfielder or rightfield.

By: mel

mel — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:25:19 +0000

Totally off topic, but I heard this great interview of Ricky Williams on the DP show.

I’m not a Ricky or Dolphins fan, but I was totally drawn to his honesty about his weaknesses and his willingness to face them. He said some things about how it starts with lying to yourself and things get out of hand.

Made me think of Roger (who btw is in deep you know what, they’re investigating a weight loss clinic in the Houston area now).

Good listen if you have a little time:

http://tinyurl.com/ys8ph8

By: bsilva

bsilva — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:36:37 +0000

Interesting take on Joba. Financially, however, the Yanks will make alot more than the 26 million they “save” by making Joba a starter if the win the World Series. They will use him in whatever way they perceive will most help them accomplish that. I hope they are right.

By: Jeff NJ

Jeff NJ — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:07:35 +0000

CB, I heard an interview with the Rays GM a few days ago, he said that Longoria will be the team’s starting 3rd baseman sometime this year, if not opening day.