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Yankees-Reds: The live blog

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 06, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Welcome to Ed Smith Field in Sarasota, Fla. It’s 71 degrees and the Yankees are playing the Cincinnati Reds. It’ll be Chien-Ming Wang vs. Aaron Harang.

A swarm of bees delayed the game here last year when the Yankees were in town. So if the live blog suddenly ends, you’ll know why.

FIRST INNING
The Yankees wasted a leadoff double by Johnny Damon. Jose Molina did his job by grounding out to the right side and advancing Damon to third. But Bobby Abreu K’d and Jason Giambi popped out.

Chien-Ming Wang is getting blasted in the bottom of the inning, giving up four singles and a walk to the first five hitters. The Yankees trail 4-0. I’m sure by now somebody has proclaimed that Wang stinks and the Yankees are finished.

It’s now 5-0 Reds as No. 9 hitter Andy Green slapped a double down the line. The Reds have batted around.

Make it 6-0 as Norris Hopper reaches on an infield single. Wang is pulled out of the game. he threw 32 pitches. Scott Patterson is on. That was about as awful as Wang has ever been.

SECOND INNING
Betemit (8), Jackson (K) and Gardner (5) went down in order. Patterson retired the side order as well. Still 6-0.

THIRD INNING
Damon doubled to right with two outs. But Molina lined to short to end the inning.

FOURTH INNING
Chien-Ming Wang just spoke to the media. He said he was trying to throw too hard, overstriding and that led to his sinker being up. When sinkers are up, they get hit.

He went to the bullpen to throw 20 more pitches and made the adjustment.

Edwin Encarnacion just hit a grand slam off Darrell Rasner. 10-0 Reds. The Yankees have twi hits through four innings, both doubles by Damon.

SIXTH INNING
It’s former Yankee day here at the ballpark. David Weathers just pitched a scoreless fifth inning for the Reds. Now Mike Stanton is pitching and Andy Phillips is playing third. Still 10-0 Cincy and the Yankees have two hits.

As we have a long drive back, I’m working on my newspaper stories. The live blog, such as it is, is taking a back seat for now.

SEVENTH INNING
Bobby Abreu just homered to left center and it’s 12-1 Reds. The homer came off Matt Maloney.

EIGHTH INNING
There’s no quit in those Yankees. Greg Porter just hit a grand slam and it’s 12-8. Chien-Ming Wang is on the top step of the dugout yelling, “Get me off the hook!”

OK, so that part isn’t true. But they have scored eight runs since falling behind 12-0.

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321 Responses to “Yankees-Reds: The live blog”

  1. al arodien March 6th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    So last season stated with bees and ended with bugs! NOT BAD! what will stop the yankees this year ? ou ! maybe the alians!

  2. Frankie Yankee March 6th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Nice. Molina batting 2nd, a speed demon, watch out Jeter. ha!

  3. Phil Hughes is Saved! March 6th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    May the bees stay away

  4. baka March 6th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    watch out Joba

  5. saucY March 6th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    forgot to set tivo once again :(

  6. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 6th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    saucy it is on tv?

  7. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    JGNYC
    March 6th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
    I like whozat’s “call ‘em like I see ‘em” direct approach. He’s one of my favorite posters here.

    from previous thread looking for a fan. Not as imformative but i keep these moving.
    Can someone critisize me so i can have a fan base? Seriously,do i have a fan out there? Anyone.

    hmmm,
    I see you as joking around with facts to back it up. I dont think you pick on people who are not purposely trying to get a rise out of this blog. Your very informative and crack me up. Makes people have to bring logic into the conversations(accept myself offcoarse). Keep it up. CB,whozat,sj and many others are the reason why i only read and post here. Do what you do thats what makes it stand out all alone.

  8. Frankie Yankee March 6th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    you can set your tivo from the web, but you probably knew that already…

  9. saucY March 6th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    actually, i’m not sure. i was able to watch monday’s game on fox sports houston… i was assuming it may be on fox sports cincy if not on yes.

  10. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    SoS,

    I would criticize you, but if I wanted to watch a grown man cry I’d turn the Favre PC back on. :)

    Pete,

    I’m striking out with the audio. You’re our only source for play by play!

  11. Drew March 6th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    I don’t see any TV or radio listed on mlb.com :(

  12. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    2nd batter and steve phillips just called the dodgers the yankees!

  13. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 6th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    I don’t either. :( Did the game start?

  14. Josh March 6th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Pretty sad that this day and age they can’t get people to do broadcasts, especially for the Yankees.

  15. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" & watching LeBron guarantee 50 on my Knicks) March 6th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    what the hell, did someone kidnap the ump ?

  16. MikeEff - Shelley at First March 6th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    just a quick comment on the dodgers-red sox game—steve phillips is broadcasting for ESPN—has called the dodgers the yankees TWICE –freudian slip? i guess when he ses joe torre, he sees the yankees. the funny thing is, the other guy didn’t correct hin

  17. raymagnetic â„¢ March 6th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    In my best grouchy smurf voice. “I hate Steve Phillips” :evil:

  18. Dr. Cox March 6th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Hey Pete:

    Im sure you already know this but I just got my package for admission from Manhattanville College’s Sports Business Management program and along with it they send a copy of your story from October 14, 2007; “Arod, Yankees Need Each Other.”

    Though it was cool since im on the blog.

  19. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" & watching LeBron guarantee 50 on my Knicks) March 6th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Big Sloppy has sure loss alot of weight this season, a bit too much if you ask me

  20. Rishi March 6th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    looks like a lead-off double for Damon and he got stranded at 2nd

  21. Michigan Despises Fraud Obama March 6th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Let’s Go Yankees! 25 more days!

  22. pat March 6th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Everyone will be happy to know that no one cleaned Manny’s batting helmet in the off season.

  23. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 6th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    brandon what happened with the ump?

  24. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    I found a Yankee feed. Joe & Donnie sitting in those chairs. They showed a headshot of Larry Bowa doing naked pullups. Game on now. When did we pick up a pitcher named Lowe? And I thought we were playing the Reds. I see Red Sox on base.

  25. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Man did they Yankees land on some Classy guys. Proffesional sports needs more of this. How refreshing are these comments.

    On Tuesday, the Yankees renewed Joba Chamberlain’s contract for the major-league minimum, $390,000. That might seem like a lot to most of us, but you know how athletes are. Actually, it seems like a lot to Chamberlain, too. “I don’t play the game to get paid,” he said. “I play the game to enjoy it and love it. The paycheck’s a bonus. What do I have to complain about?”

  26. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" & watching LeBron guarantee 50 on my Knicks) March 6th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Jenn I was kidding

  27. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Does anybody have a radio link to the game?

  28. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" & watching LeBron guarantee 50 on my Knicks) March 6th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    radio link someone ?

  29. saucY March 6th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    pat, did anything hatch from inside it in the offseason?

  30. hmmm March 6th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    SOS, thanks.

    the one thing i did notice was this: when people complained about my style, i said i’d tone it down. then a bunch of other people told me not to.

    so i’ve come to the conclusion that it’s going to be very hard to become king of the internets. can’t please everyone.

    really the only posters that tend to drive me nuts are the ones with *nothing* positive to EVER add and the ones that want to forfeit the season before it starts. this team isn’t perfect, but this is still a GOOD team.

    will it be enough this year? don’t know. is the organization heading in the right direction? i think so.

    it doesn’t have to be 100% sunshine all of the time, but by reading some of the comments here, you’d think this was a Pirates’ blog.

    enough about me though, the season can’t start soon enough.

  31. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Has anyone seen the article on MLB.com about Pujols potentially needing TJ? They mentioned it on Respect Jeter’s Gangster (which is a hilarious blog, btw). Maybe that explains why Phelps’ agent signed him with the Cards. Seemed like really bad idea when I heard about it — I mean, how often does Pujols sit? — but if this is so, then maybe Josh has a shot at getting some playing time over there. You never like to see a guy hurt, but good for Phelps if he can continue to make waves with his bat over in the NL like he did with the Pirates at the end of last year.

  32. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    SoS,

    See? That’s how you do it. No matter what you feel inside, you say the right things. Now contrast that with Papelbon’s comments. Today’s the deadline for contracts, so we’ll see if Papelbon gets what he wants.

  33. Joe March 6th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Wang getting tagged apparently. 3 runs on 4 hits for Cincy in 1st.

  34. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    mel-I would criticize you, but if I wanted to watch a grown man cry I’d turn the Favre PC back on.

    Thank you for holding back. Im feeling more hormonal than usual. Must be the Favre retiring or something. I just need to know when i retire from this blog 16 years from now will i be missed. Damn i need to snap out of it. :)

  35. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    great catch by ellesbury!
    i still hate the red sox!

  36. raymagnetic â„¢ March 6th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    “Wang getting tagged apparently. 3 runs on 4 hits for Cincy in 1st.”

    Please, God let this not be true. I can just hear the Panic Society now. Should be a very fun day around here.

  37. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 6th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Wang is awful, he is done!! Done I tell you!! The bum should retire already!! ;)

  38. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 6th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    I wonder if anti-moose will change his name to anti-wang.

  39. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    ray, not a worried post all day about iak and joba, i dont think anybody’s gonna care about wang getting lit up. now you want some action, wait till sunday…

  40. Drew March 6th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Pete, its easy to see why people get upset about Moose. He’s struggled the last 2 years with injury and inconsistency. I don’t think anyone will be jumping on The Wanger so quick.

  41. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Over/under on which inning that Phillips “mentions” the Yankee score?

  42. raymagnetic â„¢ March 6th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Y’s Guy,

    IPK and Joba are still rookies, nobody is gonna beat up on them yet. Wang is already perceived to be on shaky ground.

  43. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    raymagnetic â„¢ March 6th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    “Wang getting tagged apparently. 3 runs on 4 hits for Cincy in 1st.”

    Please, God let this not be true. I can just hear the Panic Society now. Should be a very fun day around here.

    MLB.com has the game 0-0 with the Yankees batting in the bottom of the first.

  44. Russ March 6th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Wang stinks and the Yankees are finished.

  45. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 6th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Wrong Drew. 2006 he had a great season.

  46. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Mel – Are you listening to the game? Do you have a link?

  47. Kyle From CT March 6th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    i hate that these games arent all on YES

  48. CB March 6th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Wang made it a point this year to try to work on his change up with Dave Eiland.

    That’s the focus for what he wanted to do.

    He very well could be working on the change right now and not have a feel for it.

    The results for a spring training game for a guy like Wang are meaningless.

    This is the time when he should be working on parts of his game that aren’t as strong.

  49. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Certainly doesn’t help that Wang is carrying his post-season performance into Spring Training. We are counting on this guy to be our ace.

  50. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Gammons on. Talking about Lowrie.

  51. Josh March 6th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Mike R. – The Anti-Anti,

    It doesn’t update until the end of the half inning I think.

  52. pat March 6th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    mel

    Could be awhile. With Derek Lowe pitching for the Dodgers and Joe Torre in the other dugout, Phillips is more confused than normal today.

  53. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge
    March 6th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
    I wonder if anti-moose will change his name to anti-wang.

    If he comes in with a bet of Wang having an over 6 e.r.a. and under 8 wins. Ill put all my chips in and the keys to my house(add kids).

  54. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 6th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Was he pulled for pitch count? If he is trying to work on something now is the time to figure it out. Or maybe he is tipping his pitches?

  55. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Mike R,

    No, couldn’t find audio so I’m watching the Sox/Dodgers game. Of course it’s a Red Sox Convention. :)

  56. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 6th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    CB,

    I agree with you. If I were a pitcher in Spring training I would be throwing all the trick pitches I could since I would never get to throw them against live competition once the season starts. Remember Mariano’s changeup from last spring training?

  57. Josh March 6th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Let’s just hope Wang isn’t hurt and he’s just having a bad day.

  58. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    I was at the Cardinals camp the other day.

    Pujols needs elbow surgery. He is going to try and play through it. Apparently, his elbow ligament is pretty bad.

    The conventional wisdom is, they are going to give it a few months, see what kind of team the Cardinals are and how Pujols is dealing with the pain, then make a decision on his elbow.

    For folks panicking over a bad Wang start, or Joba giving up a HR, think about what it would be like if Arod needed sesaon ending surgery right and was putting it off.

    That’s what its like to be a Cardinals fan right now.

  59. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Wang is not carrying over his post-season into spring training.

    Only fans carry that stuff over. Players don’t.

  60. Elizabeth March 6th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Eesh, Wang. :( Hey, get the bugs out now. He’ll be great for Opening Day

  61. Drew March 6th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Jennifer, I got ’05 mixed up with ’06.

  62. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 6th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    I’m taking bets on how much Mike and the Mad Dog will scream that the Yankees are done and stupid for not trading for Johan.

  63. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 6th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    I bet the sinker wasn’t sinking.

  64. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Pete would obviously be able to tell us if Wang was throwing changeups. What do you see, Pete? Any sinkers in there?

  65. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Yankees East & Yankees West both struggling today.

  66. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    I love our opening day starter :)

  67. Drew March 6th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Now I’m glad I can’t see or hear the game. Wang is taking it on the Chien today.

  68. Joe March 6th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Wow, Wang pulled in the 1st inning, I’m sure we’ll get some trolls in here soon.

  69. Phil Hughes is Saved! March 6th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Yikes. Not a good outing from Wang.
    Oh well. Get the kinks out now

  70. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    “Certainly doesn’t help that Wang is carrying his post-season performance into Spring Training. We are counting on this guy to be our ace.”

    See, now, this is the kind of post I’d usually snark at. Unless it’s sarcastic. But, really…is this kind of post not worthy of snarkiness?

  71. CB March 6th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Main thing to be worried about during spring training is injuries.

    Case in point – the mets.

    They took some gambles on older players while at the same time trading away what prospects they had.

    It’s coming back to hurt them now.

    They traded both Miledge and Gomez in the off season. Moises Alou is now out for 4-6 weeks (and you know he’ll get hurt again before the season’s over) and on top of that they would prefer to plattoon Ryan Church in RF.

    The Santana trade was a theft for them – they had to do it.

    But with Alou out and the team looking at Church as more of a platoon guy losing Gomez and Milledge hurts.

    You look at that team – its talented but very brittle and has no depth. Same goes for their pitching.

    Omar came to NY and got away from what made him so successful in Montreal.

    They aren’t going to be able to come up with answers on the fly if they get hurt.

  72. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Of course Gammons made a joke and mentioned Joba’s throwing over Yuk’s head.

  73. saucY March 6th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    time for lunch

  74. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Mel – How dare you accuse ESPN of being biased towards the Red Sox. You don’t know what goes on behind the scenes over there? Just because Peter Gammons celebrated on the field and John Kruk believes Beckett is a hall of Famer and Bill Simmons is a self proclaimed Red Sox homer and Rick Sutcliffe almost passed out yesterday when Peter Pesarelli said the Yankees would win the East and…wait a second…maybe you have a point.

    Never mind.

  75. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Don’t be so sure of yourself SJ44… whats that relievers name who never seemed right after the Pujols post-season homerun?

    Wang ruined two post season games for us last season, lets not get on the Yankee fans for being a bit bitter about it.

  76. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    “They aren’t going to be able to come up with answers on the fly if they get hurt.”

    I feel like it’s worse than that…They already can’t come up with answers now that they’re hurt. And the season hasn’t even started!

  77. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    On a positive note, it wasn’t as bad as Zito right?

  78. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    sj,
    Talking about elbow surgery. Maybe you or someone else can help me with answering this for me. I have been lifting weights for years(not like its helped). But me left elbow , some tricep is always tender and obviously hurts more when i do tricep work outs. Iv tried deep tissue massages, heat,ice and anti inflamitories. Nothing seems to work. I dont know much about Tommy John but i here that its a tender elbow to the tricep. Im stubborn and wont go to the doctor. You might not be a doctor but maybe youv heard of someone having this problem.What does that sound like to you. Tendinitis? Deep miscle strain? Anyone?

  79. Drew March 6th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Russell, Lidge was having issues long before Pujols’ home run. No Yankees fan should be bitter about Wang’s playoff performance. If not for his regular season performance, the Ynakees would never have been in the playoffs.

  80. CB March 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Losing Pujols for the season – that would be past devastating. That team won’t even be quasi-competative without him.

    That rumor kept floating around but the cardinals never really made any statements on it as far as I could tell.

    In appropriate Cardinal fashion I can see them rushing Colby Rasmus to the major leagues now to somehow “make up” for losing Pujols to keep up fan interest.

  81. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Folks, if you are expecting ESPN to ease off the Red Sox love this year, you are going to get ulsers.

    Today’s broadcast will consist of the following:

    Gammons will proclaim every Red Sox prospect as the next great player at their respective division.

    Steve Phillips will declare the Yankees season “over” on March 6.

    Everyone will lament the “poor” treatment Joe Torre got from the Yankees.

    That sums up the commentary from the Red Sox-Dodgers game.

    Now back to your regular programming.

  82. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    as long as wang’s healthy, its all good by me. he’s gonna win 20 this year.

  83. xryanx March 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    I really wish we had a #1

  84. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 6th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    I’m still not worried abot Wang.

  85. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    “Wang ruined two post season games for us last season, lets not get on the Yankee fans for being a bit bitter about it.”

    I think part of the context you’re missing here is that people who’ve been active on the blog all offseason have heard people come on here and talk about Wang and how he’s not good enough for six straight months. So, don’t get on us for being really, really tired of it.

  86. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Oh, I left out one thing. They will make fun of Hank Steinbrenner.

  87. stuart March 6th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    expect some real interesting posts today from all the want to be pitching coach’s.

    maybe they should DFA Wng may be an idea mentioned by a few of the professors today.

  88. MoEmDown42 March 6th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Wang should be DFA’d

  89. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Mike,

    The funny thing is, I actually like Bill Simmons because he’s funny. And he stopped making predictions after the Red Sox collapse when they missed the playoffs. ’06? When every writer in Boston declared the season over in May.

  90. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    I have a Gameday of the game.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....;brand=mlb

  91. pat March 6th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Pedroia is a cocky little midget.

    Gammons just said Pedroia was taunting Mussina to throw him a fastball last year and he told Gammons if Joba threw over him, he’d hit a liner right at his neck.

    Can anyone say Napoleonic complex?

  92. DMan March 6th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Well. Get this out of your system now Wang..

  93. bummy March 6th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Russell NY,

    “Certainly doesn’t help that Wang is carrying his post-season performance into Spring Training. We are counting on this guy to be our ace.”

    Stop being so negative. If you’ve haven’t been reading the countless posts, it’s a spring training game!

  94. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 6th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    S.o.S.27,

    My guess is, and I’m not a doctor, that you probably strained a muscle way back when, and its never healed properly. Does it hurt more when you do certain tricep exercises over others?

  95. ghlu March 6th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Hopefully he’s not hurt.

  96. Ranting Guy (stop whining) March 6th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Ignore all who whine about Wang’s results while he’s feeling out his change up in spring training. Whiner-directed sarcasm is fine, but not whining.

    SJ do you think Pujols will more likely go for surgery sooner, or later? I’d heard (also) that he wanted to play through it. Is it Tommy John surgery (soon to be known as Carl Pavano surgery) that he might need ?

    If he can’t really play otherwise, and if doctors recommend it, the guy has way too much talent to risk his career by putting it off.

  97. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Thanks for the recap SJ.

    I believe you left out the part where they talk about the Yankees making a mistake for not dealing for Sanntana. Other than that you are spot on.

  98. stuart March 6th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    SJ great insight into the ESPN crew.. Yeah it is bad enough watching the sux on espn during the regular season but the playoffs is another thing.

    here may beone of there takes today. bucholtz and lester are proven while the yanks hughes, joba, and kennedy are very unproven and real long shots to produce…

    or ellsbury(the new Joe Dimaggio) is such a proven commodity..The guy has less then 100 AB’s in the big leagues…

  99. Rishi March 6th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    THANK YOU MIKE R.!!! It was getting really hard to keep up with the box score…

  100. Kyle From CT March 6th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Wang is going to be fine. Its spring training, the exact reason they are there is work on getting the kinks out. Wang had a terrible postseason but he also won 19 games two years in a row. He’s going to be fine.

  101. John in Ohio March 6th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Off topic

    A friend is traveling to Yankee Stadium for one of the games with Detroit. The other day there were suggestions on where to eat…particularly a pizzaria on 161st street. What’s the name?? Thanks.

  102. nyyfaninlaaland March 6th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Youk’s giant noggin is really a gravitional black hole – all solid objects are drawn to it.

    “Lokk at that noggin! It got it’s own weather system!”

  103. DMan March 6th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    ESPN is getting pretty obnioxus.. I’m hoping it’s just the excitment of a new baseball year.. Maybe they’ll tone the Red Sox homerism down in a few weeks..

    Ok, probably not..

  104. CB March 6th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    “They already can’t come up with answers now that they’re hurt.”

    That’s a very good point. You get the feeling that they’re just trying to juggle balls in the air to somehow make things work.

    But they don’t have the overall organizational strength to make it work when adversity strikes.

    That’s the problem with going with veterans and not having depth.

    We’ve seen quite a bit of that in the Bronx. It’s in full view in Queens now.

    I can see them also trying to rush Fernando Martinez up to the majors just like they did with Gomez last year. They’ve already pushed him unnecessarily hard through the system.

    The contrast between the yankee’s camp with its depth and diversity of talent and the mets right now is just night and day.

    Many yankee fans are worried that Melky may not be good enough to be more than a 4th outfielder or that Matsui is an extra piece that should be traded.

    What would the Mets give to have either of those players or to even have that kind of problem now?

  105. Lori March 6th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Thanks Mike! Finally I can follow the game!

  106. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    SOS,

    I’m not a doctor. I don’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express when I am on the road. Sorry, can’t help you there pal.

    I suspect Russell, Yankee fans need to get over it re: Wang. No one player “ruined” the post-season.

    Derek Jeter was awful in the post-season. Probably cost them Game 4. Are we ready to put him “on notice”?

    You win and lose as a team.

    This is the kind of stuff that drives me nuts.

    Chien Ming Wang has been the best starter pitcher for the Yankees for the last two seasons. He had a bad post-season.

    Now, some Yankee fans are “bitter”.

    CC Sabathia won a Cy Young and also had a bad post-season last year. Also had a bad ST start.

    Guess what? Indians fans are BEGGING their management to sign him to a long term deal and support guy.

    Getting worked up over spring training results is a waste of time.

    Even the statheads don’t do it.

    The guy had a bad start. Its baseball. Its going to happen.

    You simply turn the page go on to the next start.

    That’s all you can do.

    Wang doesn’t have to “prove” anything.

    All he has to do is get ready for the season.

  107. JGNYC March 6th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    S.O.S. – I’m not sure what you’re asking me. I’m a very frequent reader, but not much of a poster. Sometimes, I’ll just search for a few people and see what they have to say. There are obviously some people here that bring a lot to the conversation, and I appreciate that insight.

  108. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Fernando,
    Skull crushers hurt the most. It feels better when my thumbs are pointing towards my forehead. Iv tried wrapping the forearm for tennis elbow. But it didnt help much. Any suggestions that dont have to do with stop working out is appreciated.

    Does anyone know if Wangs nail ended up fully healing?

  109. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    whozat – my follow up was more of a response to SJ44 saying that a player doesn’t carry two bad post-season performances with him. Then with a hint of sarcasm he says the fans do.

    I’m bitter at Wang’s two performances… I don’t hate him but I’m certainly not happy with what I have seen from him lately.

    I don’t doubt everyone’s sick of hearing how Wang is no good – but there’s a difference between saying someone is not good enough and expressing displeasure.

  110. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    whozat,

    You’re showing great restraint!

  111. TurnTwo March 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    where did you find access to the mlb.com gameday? it’s not available on the main webpage, so i was just wondering for the future…

  112. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    SOS – I’m not a Doctor,but it reminds me of a story I once heard.

    - Man: Doctor. My elbow hurts when I do this.
    - Doctor: Ok. Don’t do that. That will be $50.

    Sound advice.

  113. Joe March 6th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    For those who believe that this is a carryover for Wang from last postseason, can you explain to me his 2 shutout innings against the Phillies (a playoff team with the last 2 NL MVP’s) last Saturday?

  114. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 6th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    The only thing Wang needs to prove right now is that he’s healthy. As long as he gets his innings in, I could really care less about the results. Specifically this early in spring training.

  115. CB March 6th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    “But me left elbow , some tricep is always tender and obviously hurts more when i do tricep work outs. Iv tried deep tissue massages, heat,ice and anti inflamitories. Nothing seems to work.”

    I know someone who had a similar problem from lifting weights. He had to see a doctor and start physical therapy. They said it was a stress type injury from lifting weights – the only way it was going to get better was if he took a break from lifting weights for a while and got physical therapy.

    Don’t know if this is your situation – just throwing it out there.

  116. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    SJ44 I didn’t say Wang ruined the postseason, I said he ruined the two games he pitched.

    Do I have to list every players poor outing every time I’m upset about a particular players performance? Why are we even talking about Jeter?

  117. mel March 6th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    TurnTwo,

    I think they go to an archived Gameday and “hack” by changing the dates and the team.

  118. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Turn two – I saw it over on another blog. http://www.riveraveblues.com

  119. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    What I gathered at Cardinals camp is that Pujols will need TJ Surgery at some point but is going to try and toughen it out this season.

    That’s pretty risky, IMO but, that’s the plan for the Cardinals right now.

  120. TurnTwo March 6th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    ah-ha! no wonder why i couldnt figure it out.

    well someone needs to do this every game, por favor.

  121. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    “What would the Mets give to have either of those players or to even have that kind of problem now?”

    Seriously.

    Can you foresee a scenario in which the Yankees DO wind up moving Damon or Matsui during the season? Some combo of Gardner really breaking out in AAA and forcing his way to the majors as a 4th OFer, Melky regaining his 06 plate discipline, Duncan/Betemit hitting well, and Giambi staying healthy, perhaps?

  122. Joe March 6th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    SoS, try HGH for your elbow. Sorry everyone, I couldn’t resist.

  123. The J Train March 6th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Jacoby Ellsbury = Ricky Ledee

  124. Kyle From CT March 6th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    I don’t know about you guys but the Gameday link has been stuck on Woodward batting for the last 10 minutes.

  125. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    Is it ok to overreact to positive ST results?

    Scott Patterson is the next Mariano Rivera. He will be are closer of the future for the next 10 years!

  126. CB March 6th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    Can you imagine if Jake Peavy was on the Yankees and blew the two biggest games of the year for the team after winning the national league pitching triple crown last year – what would people be saying.

    The padres of course extended his contract after he blew those two games and cost them a playoff spot.

  127. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    JGNYC,
    I was just having fun. I thought i knew alot about the Yanks. More than most, till i landed on this blog. It really humbles you and makes you appreciate the inside scoup we get from the regulars and Pete. I dont blame you for being a fan of the all stars at this blog. Just make sure you dont push f3 on a regular basis. Especially when its slow. Think of some of us as the pre game show before the main event.

  128. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    I don’t see any scenario where the Yankees move either player.

    Damon is vital to their success this year. Brett Gardner is a nice prospect, although a limited one. He isn’t replacing Johnny Damon.

    I think Matsui’s problem is twofold. Contract and healthy. One or both of those things make it tough to move him.

  129. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    “What would the Mets give to have either of those players or to even have that kind of problem now?”

    The mets would give half their farm system :)

  130. Rishi March 6th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    At least Damon’s doing well….

  131. ellen March 6th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Are they still playing? All I’ve heard is that Wang got lit up and is out of the game. Is it still 6-0?

  132. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    i cant imagine what the cards are doing with pujols. they are going nowhere this season. i dont know how long it takes a 1b to recover from tj surgery, but im assuming its the entire season. i keep thinking they’ll dl him before the season starts but if they are going to do that, why would they risk using him now? with a rookie gm, id have to believe that the genius has the most pull in this situation. what the hell are they thinking?

  133. mel March 6th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    Now they’re talking about the Japan trip. Can’t talk about it without mentioning the Yankees. Phillips, to his credit, mentioned they were zombies after their trip. He’s still a zombie, but that’s neither here nor there.

    Lowe leaving his pitches up. Getting pulled after 3 innings, 4 runs.

  134. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    CB,

    Great point. Its why all this talk about the Yankees not having an “ace” is overblown.

    Let’s examine some of the “aces” in the game:

    Roy Halliday-No Playoffs.
    Johan Santana-No Playoffs.
    Jake Peavy-No Playoffs.

    Three great pitchers. All aces. No playoff appearances last year. None ever for Halliday, while the post-season records for Santana or Peavy aren’t good.

    Its takes more than one “ace” to win in the post-season.

    What happens if you spend the money and prospects on Santana and he loses in the post-season? Is that money well spent?

    There are no guarantees in baseball. None.

    I’d rather have a balanced staff than a top heavy. Those seem to be the staff’s that prevail in the post-season.

  135. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Mike R. – The Anti-Anti
    March 6th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    SOS – I’m not a Doctor,but it reminds me of a story I once heard.

    - Man: Doctor. My elbow hurts when I do this.
    - Doctor: Ok. Don’t do that. That will be $50.

    Sound advice.

    Dammit Mike. Theres times for jokes and times to be serious. Ill mail you the $50. Freekin funny.

  136. * * THEE BOSTON BUGLE * * March 6th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Peter Gammons being his usual objective self. Just thrilled to be sniffing the air within a Red Sox occupied venue.

  137. pat March 6th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Farnsworth pitching now.

  138. CB March 6th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    “Can you foresee a scenario in which the Yankees DO wind up moving Damon or Matsui during the season?”

    I honestly don’t. And the reason why is exactly what you see with the mets.

    The yankees position players are very old and any of them could break down at any point in the season and it wouldn’t be a surprise – Giambi in particular.

    I don’t see this combination of damon, melky, abreu, giambi, and matsui as a problem.

    Ultimately the extra guy there is giambi – but with his huge deal he’s not going anywhere. They have the right take on giambi – we’ll try to use him, if he breaks down, so be it – we have a backup plan and extra hitting to compensate.

    I also like both damon’s and matsui’s contracts. They are reasonable at $14 million and not too long term.

    With Abreu being up and Tabata/ Jackson likely not ready next year Damon and Matsui’s deals are the perfect length to make the transition to younger players.

    They won’t find such favorable deals with respect to time frame/ dollars for that type of talent easily in a trade or on the open market.

  139. Kyle From CT March 6th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    I’m pretty sure Damon has two doubles today.

  140. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 6th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    S.o.S.27,

    My friend had something similar with his bicep. It hurt mostly when he did preachers, but didn’t hurt so much when he did other things. Skullcrushers are the worst too! You may have tried too much weight at some point and injured something, that’s what happened to my friend. I would stop doing skullcrushers. I’d stick to tricep pulldowns, overheads, dips, and closegrip benchpress. If it keeps hurting, you may have to see the dreaded doctor.

  141. The J Train March 6th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    damon is going to have a great year

  142. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    “Brett Gardner is a nice prospect, although a limited one. He isn’t replacing Johnny Damon.

    I think Matsui’s problem is twofold. Contract and healthy. One or both of those things make it tough to move him.”

    I agree about Gardner, certainly. I was more thinking about Matsui being moved after he shows his knee is OK. I mean…13 mil per for a year and a half of .850 OPS and mediocre but not terrible D really isn’t so bad if you look at the contracts that have been signed recently. If Giambi’s healthy, Gardner shows that he can be the 4th OFer, and Melky doesn’t turn out to be September-Melky…Well, I could see that happening.

  143. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    “What happens if you spend the money and prospects on Santana and he loses in the post-season? Is that money well spent?… I’d rather have a balanced staff than a top heavy. Those seem to be the staff’s that prevail in the post-season.”

    Yanks have a very good staff but remember that the 3 youngsters are still question marks and Moose struggled last season. Ace is a loose term in baseball that is typically thrown at people who have had a lot of success and has helped the team greatly.

  144. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    All it takes are an injury or two and a “glut” becomes a test of your depth.

    When the Yankees were winning championships they always had a surplus of players. Guys like Cecil Fielder, Tim Raines and Darryl Strawberry became valuable bench guys.

    You can never have too many good players, IMO.

    I like the team in its present construction.

    For the first time in a long time, we actually have pitching depth and a functional bench.

    For the first time in quite a few years, we will actually see guys getting cut who are good enough to pitch on the ML roster.

    We finally have a solid backup catcher. Shelley Duncan gives us RH pop off the bench. Perhaps, even as a starter if Matsui begins the year on the DL.

    Wilson Betemit is a solid bench piece. Who knows, they mean even have something in Morgan Ensberg.

    I also like the way Girardi attacks a game. We will see more guys in motion, less waiting around for the three run homer and, I suspect, better bullpen management.

    All in all, the team is coming together nicely. I wouldn’t mess with a thing right now.

  145. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Joe
    March 6th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
    SoS, try HGH for your elbow. Sorry everyone, I couldn’t resist.

    No i tried that. But i did try what the B-12. If it helped Clemens i thought it would help me. No luck.

  146. Rishi March 6th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    1 pitch – 1 out – so far so good for Farnsworth

  147. CB March 6th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    I agree with the “ace” issue, especially in the post season.

    Sometimes its easier to come up with a single reason why something goes wrong rather than to accept reality is so much more complicated.

    If you reduce things to a single problem – then you can act on it and “fix” it.

    They haven’t won the series. They don’t have an ace (and the red sox do) and their pitching isn’t good.

    Get an ace and they win.

    I think they’ve taken the right approach. It’s risky but in Joba and Hughes (and perhaps Brackman down the line) they have multiple guys who could be #1 type starters.

    I like that redundancy a lot. If one guy falters the other one can pick up the slack, especially in a game two type situation in the playoffs.

  148. Bronxbyte March 6th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    I’ll settle for 4 pitchers that focus on 1st pitch strikes and quality starts for most outings. I’ll declare all of them as aces of the staff.

  149. pat March 6th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Pretty good inning for Farnsworth.

  150. mel March 6th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    So, Fernando Alejandro, that’s your real name, huh? It was so exotic I thought it was a pseudonym. Very nice.

  151. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    i love wang, he’s gonna win 20 this year and by the end of next season he’ll be our #3 starter!

  152. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    I think the bench made a complete 180 from last year. It went from our biggest weakness to a legitimate strength.

    C – Jose Molina > Will Nieves
    Utility – Wilson Betemit > Miguel Cairo
    4th OF – Hideki Matsui > Melky Cabrera
    Back up 1B/5th OF – Shelley Duncan/Morgan Ensberg > Josh Phelps/Nobody

  153. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    I think the whole Yankee offense is going to have a great year… what did they score in their first 3 ST games, 23 runs? Sheesh. Abreu, Damon and Giambi look like they are going to have a much better year than last.

  154. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 6th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Mel,

    If I could only convince the ladies of that fact, I’d be all set.

  155. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Every team has question marks. There isn’t a team that doesn’t have question marks. The problem is, the answers to question marks don’t necessarily have to be negative.

    When it comes to the Yankees, too many members of the media, and some fans, ALWAYS answer the questions in the negative. That’s what gets ridiculous.

    For example, the Red Sox have some significant question marks. Who replaces Schilling? He’s not easy to replace. Even throwing 85 last year, he gave them innings and was 3-0 in the post-season. That’s not easy to replace. Will Dice-K be better? Can Jon Lester pitch more than 5 innings. Does Wakefield have anything left? How many innings can they expect from Clay Buchholz and is his shoulder healthy?

    Now, according to ESPN, the answers to the above questions are all “yes”. To baseball people, its less clear.

    There are no guarantees in baseball. None.

    Even if the Yankees acquired Santana, it doesn’t guarantee them anything.

    As far as the Yankee question marks go, what if Phil Hughes emerges this year as a top of the rotation guy? Doesn’t their entire pitching staff change greatly?

    That’s just ONE guy. That’s all it takes for the Yankees pitching outlook to change.

    Personally, I think this will be Hughes’ breakout season. The adversity he faced last year will help him greatly this year.

    You need to scuff your chin in this game in order to get better.

    I also think Ian Kennedy is a lot better than people think. He will more than hold his own in the rotation.

    There is a ton of pitching talent in the organization now. We just have to give it time to mature.

    Its going to take a little patience for things to come together.

    However, when it does, this will be a very formidable pitching staff.

    Too much talent present for it not to be.

  156. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    “i love wang, he’s gonna win 20 this year and by the end of next season he’ll be our #3 starter!”

    Yea, I could see a Sabathia, Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, Kennedy rotation next year.

    Joba looks primed to take over for Mariano… though need to see more of him to determine where he fits in. Last year wasn’t enough.

  157. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Fernando – Where are you from? I think you once said you were from Puerto Rico. I live in Bayamon.

  158. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    “They won’t find such favorable deals with respect to time frame/ dollars for that type of talent easily in a trade or on the open market.”

    Also a good point.

    I haven’t looked, and there probably isn’t much point in doing so until like…July, but what’s the trade market for RFers next year? These are the FAs:

    Bobby Abreu (35)
    Casey Blake (35)
    Milton Bradley (31)
    Cliff Floyd (36) – $2.75MM club option for ’09 with a $0.25MM buyout
    Brian Giles (38) – $9MM club option for ’09 with a $3MM buyout
    Ken Griffey Jr. (39) – $16.5MM club option for ’09 with a $4MM buyout
    Vladimir Guerrero (33) – $15MM club option for ’09 with a $3MM buyout
    Jacque Jones (34)
    Bobby Kielty (32)
    Brad Wilkerson (32)

    Kinda uninspiring. I figure the right thing to do is trade for a guy who’s under 32 and has two years or so left on his deal, but I have no concept of who would fit that profile and be available.

  159. John in Ohio March 6th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    The Pizza restaurant on 161st Street…..anyone?…
    Bueller….anyone?

  160. CB March 6th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    “All it takes are an injury or two and a “glut” becomes a test of your depth.”

    Look at Detroit last year. Everyone though they’re pitching was going to be fantastic heading into the year – very deep with a lot of young talent anchoring it.

    What happens?

    Zumaya gets hurt, Rodney gets hurt, Kenny Rogers goes down, Bonderman falls apart in the second half and Andrew Miller’s seamless transition from being the top college arm to pro ball doesn’t go so smoothly.

    In contrast the Indian’s were able to rely on their depth of pitching to put them over – Carmona’s huge come back year and Rafael Perez coming out of nowhere in the minors to being a near unhittable set up guy.

    Things like that get under rated year after year.

    We focus on the 25 man roster but to win you probably need to build a team of 28-32 usable players.

  161. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    CB,

    In 2006, the Red Sox had two aces: Beckett and Schilling. A Schilling who was still throwing in the Mid-90′s. They didn’t make the playoffs.

    Funny how when the subject of “aces” comes up, people tend to forget that fact.

    Even last year, despite the lack of an ace, a horrible start, and Torre blowing out the bullpen, midges hurt the Yankees more than anything else in the post-season.

    I know there aren’t do over’s. However, how different would the post-season have been last year had the Yankees not faced the bugs and won Game 2 1-0?

    That entire series changes.

    My point is, this team is close. VERY close to getting back to the mountaintop again. Its not nearly as far away as some folks think they are.

  162. Jay March 6th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    They’ve been using Scott Patterson a lot this spring. He put up insane numbers in AA last year. I wonder if he has ANY — even a slim — chance of making the team.

  163. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    SJ – I know it’s early in the year, but if Abreu is healthy and puts up a .290/.390/.500 line, what are the chances the Yankees re-sign him if:

    A) he agrees to a 1 year deal?
    B) he insists on a multi year deal?

  164. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    sabathia is gonna want 6 years and $110 at least. the only way i see that happening is with a new gm.

  165. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Look at the Mets and their list of players that are old/hurt (off the top of my head):

    Wagner, El Duque, Sanchez, Delgado, Beltran, Alou, Church, Valentin, Anderson.

    And their catcher is terrible. Have you seen this Schneider guy… what are they thinking?

  166. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Mike R – I bet you the Yanks pick up Abreu for a deal similar to the Moose agreement. Little less money with two guaranteed years.

  167. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 6th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Mike R. – The Anti-Anti,

    I was born in Puerto Rico and lived in Rio Piedras, but I moved to the states when I was young. The majority of my family is in Caguas and Cidra.

  168. Patrick March 6th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Russel NY: No thanks, I’d rather have Joba be our ace than our closer.

  169. G. Love March 6th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    I hate to contradict Pete, but I’ve seen Wang have more awful innings than he did today.

    I think it was a couple of games in October, if I’m not mistaken.

  170. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Fernando,
    I dont do skullcrushers anymore. I usually do overheads. Still no luck. Either i go down in weight or do what iv done for years. Live with it.I will try closed bench. Havnt done that in awhile. Thanks for the info.

  171. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Y’s guy – I think you’re being conservative on the deal Sabathia will command. He is going to want $20 Million a year at least.

  172. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Jay – I think they will split the bank. They have Hughes, Chaimberlain, Wang, Kennedy making well under their value the next few years.

  173. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    “sabathia is gonna want 6 years and $110 at least. the only way i see that happening is with a new gm.”

    Why? Cash didn’t want to give up the kids AND the money. I think they’ll be willing to give out a big contract. Depends, of course, on what the other big players are doing. But I could definitely see the Yankees being willing to pay big bucks. I don’t think they’ll want to give big years, but they’ll give in on the years somewhat because they’ll have to.

  174. CB March 6th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    “My point is, this team is close. VERY close to getting back to the mountaintop again. Its not nearly as far away as some folks think they are.”

    Maybe this is just me unable to take off my pinstriped glasses – but honestly I think the yankees are the best team in the division.

    I think they are better than the sox. Maybe I’m just being biased here but I’m at least starting to lean this way.

    I really do not believe in the Red Sox pitching. Schilling’s loss will be devastating because it already looks like Wakefield is in decline.

    I don’t believe in Matsuzaka. I think he’s going to be worse this year than last – I’m just not impressed with his stuff. Hitters will be less deceived by his motion and pitches this year than last and I don’t think his command will improve enough to be a top notch starter.

    They have very few major league ready pitching prospects. Neither Bowden nor Masterson are ready to step into the rotation. They don’t have an alan horne or marquez type.

    And if either Manny or Pappi go down they are cooked. Losing ARod or Jeter would be devastating – but I think they can tolerate it. Losing Pappi would criple that offense.

    Just my impression so far – I really think highly of what the yankees have right now.

  175. Lori March 6th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    All in all, it was nice to see Farnsy have a pretty good inning. struck out 1. Walked one – erased on a caught stealing. 1st pitch fly out. 8 pitches to get through the inning.

    Unfortunately, our bats are pretty quiet — Damon has two doubles and that’s the only hits so far.

  176. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    I think its way too premature to discuss next year.

    Lots of things have to be seen. What if Jackson and Tabata struggle in AA? That affects some decisions.

    I like Bobby Abreu a lot as a player. I’ve never understood the fixation people have with him not running into walls.

    Running into walls and getting hurt is not the indication of being a good player. If it was Eric Byrnes would make the Hall of Fame.

    If Abreu can put up the same numbers he had last year, its hard for me to envision the Yankees not re-signing him. He’s too good a player, especially with the way he fits into this lineup, to just castaway for draft picks.

  177. Patrick March 6th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    If Abreu has a good year he will get a huge deal somewhere (hopefully not with the Yanks)

    Sabathia would be nice to replace Pettitte as our lefty starter. One weakness of the Yankee farm system is there are very few lefthanded pitchers. Too bad he will cost insane money.

    Patterson probably has a slim chance but only if there are injuries or if everyone else bombs.

  178. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 6th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    S.o.S.27,

    Yeah, stick with less weight. Its either that or not doing it at all, and I know thats not an option for gym heads. Personally, I like dips as well. If you can tie some weights around you its even better.

  179. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    “Mike R – I bet you the Yanks pick up Abreu for a deal similar to the Moose agreement.”

    What’d Cameron get? 5 MM for this season? Is that true? His offense isn’t anything like Bobby’s, but his D is a lot better.

    If Bobby’d take a 1 year deal, that’s tempting. If it’s two…it really depends on the structure of the deal.

  180. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Patrick – Yanks are in a good situation. However, with their plethora of talent in the minors and ton of upside in Wang, Kennedy, Hughes, they might not need an ace. I would love to see Joba as a starter but am having a hard time seeing where he fits.

    Things could really work out well if a guy like H. Sanchez steps into the closer role. Haven’t seen him though.. hear his command isn’t too good.

  181. EY March 6th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    It’s only spring training, I’m not worried. He was fine in his previous outing.

    Like other pitchers, Wang is just getting his kinks worked out. Better have this in spring training than, say, Game 1 and 4 of ALDS (oops)

  182. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    i think abreu likes playing for the yankees, but if i was his agent, id be looking for a 4 year deal, he’s got the numbers and will be 35 starting next year. i’d like him back but dont know if id want to go that far, hes a year younger than damon but seems a bit more durable but i dont know about 3+ yrs.

  183. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    whozat – I’m thinking Abreu for 2 years at something like 14-15 million

  184. Rishi March 6th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    10-0..Rasner’s sealed his fate?

  185. kd March 6th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    I very much agree with CB. The Yankees are the best team in the division. Losing Schilling is huge. Look, I don’t like the guys but he’s a gamer. The Red Sox got lucky last year and did not have one real injury. The Yankees had four or five. They do not have the depth that we do, and if Papi goes down, you give Manny the Bonds treatment and get out lesser hitters. JD Drew and Lowell are not capable of picking up the slack.

    Also, Beckett has had one injury free year, 2007. If he has an injury, who do they get? Sorry, but Bartolo is out of shape and not an option. I am optimistic

  186. mel March 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    In ’06, Boston thought they had too much pitching so what did they do? They traded away Bronson Arroyo. For Wily Mo Pena. Think they could’ve used him that year as injuries set in for their staff? You can never have too much pitching.

    In the NBA you’re only as good as your bench and I think the same can be said of baseball and the farm system. If there are injuries, as there invariably are, you need guys who can step up. What a luxury to have mlb ready pitchers waiting in the wings. So even though many pundits are looking past the Yankees, we (here on the blog) know that pitching depth is our ace in the pocket.

    Look at the pitchers who might not make the opening day roster. It’s a lot different than last season.

  187. Lori March 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    Yeah – Rasner sounds particularly ugly – at least according to Gameday, he walked the bases loaded then gave up the 1st pitch. Yuck. But, maybe Gameday isn’t completely accurate as to pitch counts. Still, 3 walks and a GS ain’t good.

  188. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    There are guys better than Rasner.

  189. CB March 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    “Running into walls and getting hurt is not the indication of being a good player.”

    It’s really not. If Ken Griffey Jr. had run into a few less walls we might be talking about him breaking the HR record very shortly instead of talking about ARod doing it 8-10 years from now.

    Abreu is a terrific player and a perfect fit for this team. If he puts up his usual numbers I’d try to keep him.

    And if I was Abreu I’d make concessions to stay. He hated being a primary cog in Philly. Blending in behind ARod, Jeter, Posada, etc is perfect for him.

    The irony of playing in the biggest media market.

  190. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Looks like Karstens is making his case for the long relief/spot starter job even when he’s not pitching. I have always liked Karstens a little bit more than Rasner anyway.

  191. mel March 6th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Did it take me that long to type that last post? Ouch, Rasner.

    Girardi needs to avoid taking up pitchers who give out free passes like it’s candy.

  192. Patrick March 6th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Russell, he fits as our number 1 starter for the next 10 years. The farm system has excellent depth and upside at both starting pitcher and reliever. There is no reason to waste Joba’s talent as a closer when you have many more guys coming up that can fill that role. Not to mention that Mariano isn’t done yet, he will pitch at least 2 more seasons. We have Melancon and Sanchez that can step in as closer when Mo is done. There are several more possibilities but in my mind those are the two most likely.

  193. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 6th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Well if we don’t have Rasner than the season’s gone to crap. To crap I say!

  194. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    i think andy will go for another year by year contract and work his way down to #4 then #5 and collect a couple more rings before he hangs em up.

  195. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    “Patterson probably has a slim chance but only if there are injuries or if everyone else bombs.”

    This is what, his third game? Yeah?

    I just really can’t see him being the best righty short reliever in camp, or even one of the top two if the lefties all tank.

  196. The J Train March 6th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    rasner throws some serious meatballs

  197. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    I agree with Y’s guy’s premise that if I am Abreu’s agent I ask for a 4 year deal in order to agree to a 3 year deal, but at 35 a one or two year deal is no good.

  198. Patrick March 6th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    whozat read what I posted. “If there are injuries or if everyone else bombs” There is a slim chance that happens and therefore Patterson has a slim chance to make the team.

  199. CB March 6th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    “In ‘06, Boston thought they had too much pitching so what did they do? They traded away Bronson Arroyo. For Wily Mo Pena. Think they could’ve used him that year as injuries set in for their staff? You can never have too much pitching.”

    Great point Mel. That was a mystifying trade. How much could they use Arroyo now? He’d be the perfect guy to slot into that rotation for Schilling.

    When they interviewed Girardi on ESPN yesterday he talked at length about wanting to have pitchers who throw strikes this year and how the free pass has been such a problem the last several years for this team.

    Rasner is not going to help himself this way.

  200. Elizabeth March 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    No mention of Farnsworth’s nice outing? C’mon, give the guy some credit! (I know you were getting a sb from Wang; I’m just giving you a hard time)

  201. leokitty March 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    i’ll buy that about wang’s sinker, he was doing that in the playoffs too.

  202. CraftyLefty March 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    GameDay isn’t accurate on pitch count, pitch location or batted ball location during Spring Training. That’s one reason it’s not available on MLB.com for exhibition games. Farnsworth threw more than 8 pitches, for example.
    (Although Encarcion’s grand slam was on the 1st pitch)

  203. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Abreu really likes playing with the Yankees. He also likes living in NY.

    I don’t think its going to be much of a problem to work out a deal with him if he has a productive season.

    In fact, if I had to guess, I’d guess that’s where it goes.

    Sabathia? A lot depends on what happens this season.

    What happens if the Yankees win the World Series with Hughes emerging as a top end starter? Joba going into the rotation the second half of the season and becoming a dominant guy? Kennedy is a solid #4 starter and Wang has another 19 win season?

    Do you go for over 120 million to sign Sabathia? Hard to say. That’s a big whack for a pitcher.

    Just have to see how the season plays out. Thankfully, that’s a decision that doesn’t have to be made right now.

  204. Jaewon March 6th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Positive Note(s): Shutout Inning for K-Farns, Doubles for Damon

    Negative Note: Everything Else.

  205. Hoosier Yankee March 6th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Oh no Wang got shelled, call the national guard the Yanks season is done and needs help!!!

    Whew, thank God it is pre-season. Guys are working on things and getting the bugs out. I would be worried if he hadn’t pitched two shut out innings his first outing.

    I am more worried FOR Rasner, not about him. He has sucked two straight outings. Karstens, barring an implosion should be a lock for the long relief role.

    Shocker, Farnsworth pitches one inning giving up a walk. “Hmmm, Deja vu, haven’t I seen you before?”

  206. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    “Haven’t seen him though.. hear his command isn’t too good.”

    He walked about 3.5 per nine in AA, with a K:BB around 3:1. In limited AAA duty, about a 2:1 K:BB, still with 3.5 BB/9. But his elbow was hurting then.

    He’s no Mo, but he doesn’t have bad control. I think it’ll be interesting to see how he comes back from the surgery. I think it’s certainly within reason that he could be a 7th inning guy this year.

  207. DMan March 6th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Well, this is a good reminder that these types of games happen.

  208. The J Train March 6th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    persoanlly, Id ratehr spend the money on Texiera than Fatbastia

  209. TurnTwo March 6th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    like i said, Karstens is a guarantee for the long man.

  210. Skippy March 6th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    I guess Igawa is now the staff ace, huh?

  211. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    The great thing is, for the first time in a long time, the Yankees will send guys to Scranton who are good enough to pitch on their roster.

    That’s a plus.

    Guys get hurt during the season. Stuff happens.

    A guy like Scott Patterson could be someone who gets a callup during the season and helps them in a pinch. You never know.

    In today’s baseball, it takes 30-35 players to win a championship, IMO. Especially in the AL, it seems that injuries and pitching depth plays a role in a season.

    That Scranton may have 5-6 guys who are good enough to help the Yankees this year. Better options than the Sean Henn’s, Tyler Clippard’s and Matt DeSalvo’s of the world.

    That’s why you invest heavily in your farm system.

    Its why the Mets wish like hell they had the Yankees farm system today.

  212. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    “whozat read what I posted. “If there are injuries or if everyone else bombs” There is a slim chance that happens and therefore Patterson has a slim chance to make the team.”

    Yeahyeahyeah, I wasn’t really contradicting you. I was musing. “What? Third appearance? Hm…”

  213. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    this will be abreu’s last shot at a really big money (like say 4/50M) and i dont see him passing that up and i dont see the yankees going that long. but i hope im wrong.

  214. mel March 6th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    SJ44,

    I think that a lot of what you’re pondering will depend on how Jackson, Tabata, Hughes, Joba, and Ian do this season.

    What if Hughes and Joba become top drawer pitchers? What if Ian is a really good 3 or 4? Is there a need to commit to such a long, expensive contract for a pitcher? They passed on Santana and he’s one of the all-time greats.

    I really like Abreu for another year max. Unless the two prospects totally fall off the map.

  215. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Its too bad to here about Pujols. I was hoping that he stayed healthy through out his carreer. Just in case Arod doesnt break Bonds homerun record that maybe he might. I guess that wont happen. The only other player i can think of is Cabrera that has a chance. Am I missing a player who can get to that mark barring any long term injury?

  216. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Looks like Rasner hasn’t gotten back the feel after his finger got mangled on that line drive last year. That was a pretty ugly injury.

    Sometimes, you lose the feel after an injury like that.

    JMO but, I’ve always felt the long man/swing guy role was Karstans to lose. He just seems to fit that role well.

    Girardi is right. This staff needs a guy like that.

    I always wondered why Torre would mess with short relievers in that role. Its a role designed for guys like Karstans.

  217. Yankee Panic Society Spokesman March 6th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Pete,

    We at the Yankee Panic Society are not too concerned about the Wanger. He has a tremendous track record. And the spring is for working out the kinks. Whether it be in your delivery, trying a new pitch, or what have you.

    We are, however, concerned about your reporting. It has been 4 innings and we have not had a Springsteen reference.

    Spokesman
    Yankees Panic Society
    (and Springsteen Fan)

  218. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    “A guy like Scott Patterson could be someone who gets a callup during the season and helps them in a pinch. You never know.”

    Yup. Winding up with several of Britton, Alba, Patterson, Veras, Ohlendorf, and Ramirez in AAA is really not a bad outcome. Not to mention the possibility of Sanchez and/or Melancon, or a starter like Horne or Marquez making an impact in the second half.

    Question is how much of this do you keep and how much do you flip for other useful pieces?

  219. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Here’s an idea. The Cardinals need pitching. We could send them Igawa, Horne, and Marquez for Pujols. That way he could DH and not have to throw.

    I’m kidding.Nobody kill me for this. I am completely kidding and know that if the Cardinals ever decided to trade Pujosls it would take infinitely more to land him.

  220. McLovin March 6th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    WAng keeps throwing the ball up he’s trying to be something he’s not andthats a Ace who throws strikeouts.He needs to be the boring pitcher who give up just groundballs threw 8 innings.He relies on groundballs tooo much.

  221. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Pete,

    Once you file your stories, you guys should head over to the Tommy Bahama’s on St. Arnauds Circle.

    Their cafe has a Coconut Cream Pie that is the perfect, “head back to Tampa” fix.

    That’s a favorite stop of mine after taking in a game in Sarasota.

  222. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    “Looks like Rasner hasn’t gotten back the feel after his finger got mangled on that line drive last year. That was a pretty ugly injury.

    Sometimes, you lose the feel after an injury like that.”

    Isn’t his finger like…not straight anymore? I feel like I remember reading that his finger was permanently altered by the injury and healing process. I wouldn’t be surprised if his feel is DRASTICALLY affected by that. To the point where maybe he needs to kind of learn his pitches all over again.

  223. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    If Abreu likes New York so much than he can get a 6 year deal from the Mets. No more than a year rental from us IMO. I could see him going cross town for more money.

  224. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    exactly what i was thinking sos! depending on who is the mets gm by then

  225. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    No doubt this has been the most exciting pre-season in a while… I love watching Hughes pitch.

  226. ItalianGreco March 6th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Ryan Howard if he stays healthy.

  227. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    If Omar wants to give Abreu a 6 year deal, then you say goodbye.

    Realistically though, that’s unlikely to happen.

  228. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    If the season ended in April the Reds would be one of the truly elite teams of the league. They always seem to dominate in the spring, but it doesn’t translate to the season.

  229. mel March 6th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Is something bad happening? Gameday is taking a long time to update.

  230. rb15 March 6th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    SoS, if closed bench doesnt work, try doing any of them where you’re sitting or standing up with a theraband instead of with a weight. you get the same amount of work in, but it’s easier on your joints because the resistance on your joints is smoother and more consistent.

    when i played in college, my strength and conditioning coach would have us do rotator cuff work with therabands instead of weights for just that reason.

  231. CB March 6th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    “Am I missing a player who can get to that mark barring any long term injury?”

    Just to throw out some names – Prince Fielder. Ryan Howard (though he came up at a late age he does play in that banjo box).

    One other name that’s pure speculation but for fun – many people talk about Justin Upton as not only being a great prospect, but as having historically great tools. He’s often put in the Ken Griffey Jr./ ARod league of talent and hitting for power is one of his major strenghts.

  232. G. Love March 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    SJ,

    I actually have a question for you since I think you’d have the most knowledge in this area.

    Say we send down a lot of good talent to AAA pitching wise, the kind of talent that should have a spot in the majors but can’t on the Yankees due to numbers and abundance of similar talent.

    In your experience, do those guys who get sent down, knowing full well they could be pitching in the majors right now, regress and get bitter towards the organization?

    Do they have trouble down the road in the career? Is there any effect?

    I’m mainly talking about the Britton, Bruney, Ohlendorf types who might not make the roster and are valuable as minor league depth in this organization, but who could be in may bullpens in baseball right now not worrying about the numbers game as much.

    What happens to guys who know they’re (legitimately) ready for the majors, but the organization can’t fit you up there?

    I’d be interested in hearing what you think about that.

  233. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    SJ,
    Point being is if he has a good year. Than he will get more than 2 years on the market. Omar would then swoop in and give him twice as many years as anyone else just to win the bid. I dont think we need to be stuck with over 35 year old ball players any longer. Its bad enough we gave Matsiu,Damon,Rivera,Posada and yes Arod. At least a year too much to get them. I think its time to use our farm to fill positions and spend money on younger players. If they arent ready then go trade for a player with a year left.

  234. Chris -Iowa March 6th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Steve Phillips has zero clue… it seriously blows my mind that he was with the Mets. His analysis is amateur even for the joke of a crew that is baseball tonight, good lord.

  235. TurnTwo March 6th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    it’s been fun Sean Henn, but dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

  236. CraftyLefty March 6th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Mel- GameDay usually only updates every half-inning during Spring Training.

  237. Victor the Predictor March 6th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Look for Cashman to flip Henn and Rasner, plus either Bruney or Britton in a deal during the week of March 23-29. The next wave of Yankees will render them forgotten.
    The Yankees can be in this position for the first time in a long time.

  238. mel March 6th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Score is 12-0 now, Henn’s line is 1.0 3 2 1 0 2 0. He actually lowered his ERA to 4.5

  239. mel March 6th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Thanks, Lefty. This is actually worse than a blackout Saturday game during the season.

  240. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    “If they arent ready then go trade for a player with a year left.”

    I think, like SJ said, it’s too early to really worry about this. What if Jackson and Tabata both regress? Then you start thinking about them arriving in 2011-12 instead of 2010-11 and maybe you want a guy with TWO years left, etc etc.

  241. Mark McCray March 6th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Abreu homered and Damon hit 2 doubles. I would hardly call that a wasted day even though the score is 12-1 Reds. lol

  242. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Though, in fairness, I did bring up the question myself as well :-)

  243. saucY March 6th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    so i’ve been wondering about something

    i forget where i heard it, but when i was a kid i remember hearing that the guy after the guy on-deck is known as the guy “in the hold” not “in the hole”. i noticed gameday lists it as “in the hole”.

    was someone telling me nonsense when i was a kid?

  244. mel March 6th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Mark,

    How are you following the game?

  245. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    RB15,
    Thats a good idea. But it thought you couldnt really put that much resistants in those? Example have those equate to doing 100 poounds of weights?

  246. mel March 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    SoS,

    It’s in the hole.

    I listen to college volleyball and the play by play guy is great. But whenever someone hits the ball out, he’ll say the player hit it “out of bounce”. Drives me nuts.

  247. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    “Look for Cashman to flip Henn and Rasner, plus either Bruney or Britton in a deal during the week of March 23-29. The next wave of Yankees will render them forgotten.”

    Of those names, I think the only ones that might inspire interest with a good spring are Bruney and Britton…and I think that Bruney’s on the team if he has a good spring. Henn and Rasner…Well, if Rasner rebounds MAYBE as a part of a package someone’d want him for depth. But, if he’d be OK with staying, I’d rather hang on to him. Henn…even with a good rest of spring, I don’t think anyone will trade for him. They’d take him off waivers or sign him to a minor league deal if he’s floating around, I figure, but not trade for him.

  248. mel March 6th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    sorry, directed at saucY

  249. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    I hit a homer off Matt Maloney once.

  250. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    TurnTwo
    March 6th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
    it’s been fun Sean Henn, but dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

    Im surprised how many chances a pitcher gets when hes left handed. The door should have hit him last year.

  251. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    “Drives me nuts.”

    Ever hear the one about the pirate with a steering wheel in his pants?

  252. rb15 March 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    SoS you can use several at once – its kind of like a Bowflex effect.

  253. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    if pedro and delgado cant produce this year omar could be unemployed. they already had wright & reyes when he got there, he added pedro, wagner, beltran, delgado and alou. if they get burned this year because of significant injuries on the back end of big contracts, they may decide to have someone else spend the next round of FA money.

  254. SJ44 March 6th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    G Love,

    Depends on the player. In the case of guys like Bruney and Henn, I believe both are out of options. If they don’t make the Yankees, they will either be traded or waived.

    Guys like Veras, Albie, Ohlendorf? Not really sure a move to AAA (although, IMO, one of those 3 guys will be on the Opening Day Roster) would upset them too much.

    Britton? He may be upset but, he is limited as to what he can do.

    A lot of it is up to the player. MLB is a tough, tough business. So much of it is being able to handle the mental ups and downs the game throws you.

    Guys have to fight through the anger of being sent down and go there and play well. Its tough but, its their job.

    I am a HUGE believer in competition. One of the reasons why I believe the Yankees have been a soft team since 2005 has been the lack of competition for playing time and roster spots.

    Too much comfort=a soft team in my book.

    I don’t think its a coincidence so many guys showed up in shape this year. Its more than just wanting to impress the new boss.

    It was the new boss making clear playing time and roster spots aren’t givens.

    Even yesterday, Girardi made sure point out that Kennedy and Chamberlain are not guaranteed roster spots.

    Now, don’t get me wrong. I think both of those kids are workers and won’t slack off a bit.

    But, it is refreshing to have a guy in the big chair who makes it clear roster spots and playing time will have to be earned by what players do now. Not what they did in yesteryear.

    When you have an attitude like that, good work habits trickle down to the entire team and throughout the organization.

    Its why you see the Yankees making sure some of the veteran mentor their younger players.

  255. Bryan March 6th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    this team is pathetic

  256. anti-mussina March 6th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    please cut sean henn. he is terrible and will never be any good. he has already had 50 billion chances. time to cut him and maybe he can work at burger king.

  257. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    mel
    March 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
    SoS,

    It’s in the hole.

    I listen to college volleyball and the play by play guy is great. But whenever someone hits the ball out, he’ll say the player hit it “out of bounce”. Drives me nuts.

    I didnt ask the question!! Im not the only one who asks questions here you know. :-X

    I know i have a fan out there. Im sure of it.

  258. Sara March 6th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    this game is brutal!!! Who would have thought Wang would have been so bad! Kinda like game 4 vs. Cleveland!!

  259. mel March 6th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    whozat,

    Arrgh.

    Y’s Guy,

    I’m not saying it’s true what Anna Benson said, but one of those big FA is not like the others.

  260. anti-mussina March 6th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    wang is not an ace. he is a good #2 pitcher who pitches a lot of innings. It is good he lost the arbitration hearing because he doesn’t deserve anymore money from the yankees.

  261. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Bryan March 6th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    this team is pathetic

    I agree. We really don’t have any right handed power other than Mel, and Jennifer is our only stolen base threat. SJ44′s secondary pitches are iffy and SOS 27 might need TJ surgery. Thing don’t look good for the LoHud Yankees in the inetr-blog softball tournament this year. :(

  262. saucY March 6th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    thanks mel. i’m pretty sure it was an announcer who said that and it was the only time i’ve ever heard it mentioned. he said that ‘in the hole’ caught on be because most people thought that’s what it sounded like.

  263. The J Train March 6th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    If I were left handed, Id be in the major leagues right now making millions. its insane how many chances lefties get. Im so bitter

  264. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    mel you mean one of those big free agents is not as big as the others?

  265. Marcy March 6th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Yahoo has the score @ 12 – 4 but no details. Very frustrating.

  266. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Mike R.
    Dont count me out yet. Im going to Pujols it for the year. Put me in coach. T.J. can wait.(while typing this being in excrutiating pain)

  267. rb15 March 6th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    J, I AM left handed. Sign me up!

  268. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    “I agree. We really don’t have any right handed power other than Mel, and Jennifer is our only stolen base threat. SJ44’s secondary pitches are iffy and SOS 27 might need TJ surgery.”

    None of that matters. Hmmmm is an ace. We all know the only thing you need is an ace.

    Also, a parrotlet is scaling my laptop power cable.

  269. soapter March 6th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Yahoo now has it at 12-8….

  270. Marcy March 6th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Top of the 8th – 12 – 8.

  271. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    SOS 27 – You’re a real hero. You just got yourself your first fan buddy!!!!

  272. The J Train March 6th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    effin birds

  273. mel March 6th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Mike,

    HaHa. That’s great.

    Y’s guy, uh, no. I was not talking about Anna’s breasteses (as she referred to them on the classic Dan Patrick sound clip). She claimed that Omar’s building a Latin American National team or something like to that effect. But you knew that, right?

  274. mel March 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    lol. Porter hits a grand slam. 12-8. Kinda panicked, thought Porter played for the Reds. Didn’t recognize the name.

  275. saucY March 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    late inning heroics

  276. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Mike R,
    I changed my mind. I will do the Tommy John now rather than wait.
    Does our team need an Co-Manager? I can do that. As I mentioned last week. We need to be more conditioned. I see alot of half a$$ing on this blog. More laps will do us good.

    Am I still the Assistant President to the Anti Anti movement right?

  277. keith March 6th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Gregory Porter hits a grand slam to right field. Tabata, Ensberg and Cervelli score.

  278. pat March 6th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Woo Hoo Greg Porter. Good Job!!!!!!

    Who’s Greg Porter?

  279. Y's Guy March 6th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    i think i heard that but im not one to spend any time thinking about anything she ever had to say.

  280. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    “If I were left handed, Id be in the major leagues right now making millions.”

    Shoulda pulled a Wagner and taught yourself to pitch lefty when you broke your arm as a kid.

  281. The J Train March 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    wait a meenote, jure a yimnist?

  282. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    “Who’s Greg Porter?”

    Career minor league slugger. Though, he’s only 26. Maybe he could put himself on someone’s radar with a big year at AAA or something.

  283. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Have you ever left a message on voicemail pissed and you wish you can take it back, because everything turned out good?

    “Mike R. – The Anti-Anti
    March 6th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
    SOS 27 – You’re a real hero. You just got yourself your first fan buddy!!!!”

    Crap!!!I hope he doesnt get the message.

  284. CB March 6th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    After Henn’s meltdown, if Traber has a good outing he will move himself that much further in making this team.

    And Traber strikes out the first hitter.

  285. saucY March 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    not to be knee-jerk, but nick green sure seems to be a horrible fielder…

  286. mel March 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    I can’t even eat left-handed, I can’t imagine throwing a ball with my left.

    I love how Jorge’s dad taught him to bat left first because he knew that the right hand dominance would still be there.

  287. Buster March 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Uh oh !!!! ….

    A fan at Sardine Can-South in Fort Myers wearing a Yankee hat is dangerous.
    Vacationing goofs from Bahhstin may be waiting outside the ballpahk to practice field goals with his face.

  288. mel March 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    McBeth?

  289. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    SOS – LMAO. I just had to excuse myself with a co-worker that asked me “What the hell are you laughing about?”. Yes. you are still assistant president, but our softball team is going to suffer for it. I can’t believe you Pavanoed us.

  290. saucY March 6th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    “I can’t even eat left-handed, I can’t imagine throwing a ball with my left.”

    i’ve always said that my left arm is there just for looks…

  291. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Can this team score more runs than last year? The offense seems to be more potent than last year at this time.

  292. pat March 6th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Thanks Whozat.

    Does he have any skills in the field?

  293. G. Love March 6th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Thanks for the response SJ.

    I really hope Veras somehow makes the team. I loved the movement I saw on his pitches last season. I think he’s a future weapon.

    I actually wonder if the team somewhat regrets signing Hawkins right now.

    It seems to me we have the arms and options to not necessarily need him.

  294. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    “I love how Jorge’s dad taught him to bat left first because he knew that the right hand dominance would still be there.”

    Matsui’s older brothers made him hit lefty when they played pickup games as kids because he was too good righty. At least, I think I read that :-)

  295. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Mike R,
    Crap!!I see you got the message. O.k. lets try again. Are there any fans of S.o.S.(big timers talk in 3rd party)out there?

  296. mel March 6th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    whozat,

    If that’s true then that’s really mean, because Japan is a really right dominant country. Even thought they drive on the wrong side of the fricken road.

  297. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    I think this offense can easily be better than last year’s. The bench is much better and Damon and Abreu look better out of the gates. Shelley could be a big boost. I think we can be much better.

  298. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 6th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    SOS – Not anymore Pavano!

  299. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    “Thanks Whozat.

    Does he have any skills in the field?”

    I dunno. I just looked at his stats on baseball-reference and remember either Pete or Kenny Singleton or someone calling him a minor league slugger.

    He’s been shuffled around from 3B to the OF to 1B back to the OF, though, which probably means he hasn’t really shown a lot of aptitude with the glove.

    Basically, he looks like decent lefty power without much plate discipline. Though, he was in the Angels system, and they really emphasize contact over there, I think. It didn’t look like he Ked much either.

  300. mel March 6th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Game over. Got interesting at the end even though only 3 starters traveled.

    Nice chatting with you all.

    SoS,

    Good luck to your Spurs tonight. Don’t sleep on the Pacers.

  301. S.o.S.27 March 6th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    saucy-i’ve always said that my left arm is there just for looks…

    You might be right cause i cant even wipe my…Your right its just for looks.

  302. Cookiekaikai in Houston March 6th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Wang is useless. Trade him to Houston immediately

  303. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    “If that’s true then that’s really mean, because Japan is a really right dominant country. Even thought they drive on the wrong side of the fricken road.”

    Seems like it’s worked out for him :-)

  304. Dirk in Rockland March 6th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    I’m a lefty–throw me in coach

  305. BIlly March 6th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    “Matsui’s older brothers made him hit lefty when they played pickup games as kids because he was too good righty. At least, I think I read that”

    Some of us are old enough to remember that Horace Clarke learned to switch hit so he wouldn’t keep hitting the only ball they had into the ocean. At least that’s what Frank Messer used to tell us.

    Or something like that.

  306. DMan March 6th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Nice, another solid inning by Traber.

    I think hes got a real shot at making the team.

  307. StandingO'Neil March 6th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Just got to say I find it kind of funny that all the negative post come out around 3:30, which just so happens to be about the time school’s get out, hmmm…..

  308. HUGHESchamberlain March 6th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    has anyone here ever been to the blue jays spring training? i was thinking about going when the yankees go there.

  309. Don Vito March 6th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    this team scores 1000 runs this year….no problem !

  310. LATE REPORT ... March 6th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Carl Pavano will not be making any spring training road trips nor will he be making any appearances on the mound at home.

  311. anti-mussina March 6th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    what’s wrong with school kids posting here? us old farts aren’t the only ones privileged to post.

  312. Rishi March 6th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Dodgers score 7 runs in the top of the 9th…

  313. Rishi March 6th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Of course, I have never heard of these pitchers before…

  314. Patrick March 6th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    “not to be knee-jerk, but nick green sure seems to be a horrible fielder…”

    You are right, he isn’t a good fielder. Neither is Chris Woodward. Their hitting ability isn’t anything to write home about either. If either make the team it’s a waste of a roster spot.

  315. Clay Bellinger March 6th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    http://www.twincities.com/ci_8.....ck_check=1

    I guess the Twins are good at scouting.

  316. Doreen March 6th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Billy –

    The Hideki Matsui tidbit you just put up – I heard it on his Yankeeography. So, it must be true. :)

  317. G. Love March 6th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Billy Traber was once one of the crown jewels of the Mets minor league system.

    If I’m not mistaken, I think he was traded to Cleveland for Alomar.

  318. nyyfaninlaaland March 6th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    If Horace Clarke switched to not hit the ocean, it must have been just beyond the infield. Guy had 9 XBH’s in a 600 AB season.

    Rasner had a bad day, but control has not been a problem in his career. The finger could be an issue, but Wickman had a crooked finger too and he seemed to manage – even said it helped with movement. Maybe Rasner has an adjustment period to work through. I’ve touted him for long relief – mainly so Karstens can be kept ready for fill-in starts – but it may take time.

    Have also suggested Henn and Bruney could be carried because of the options issue. You don’t want to just give guys away, and other teams will know what’s coming so could wait for waivers rather than trading. Sticking will require decent performances in ST of course, and roster spots may be required if more than 2 NRI’s are kept. Henn’s a waiver loss candidate – lefty (sorry again J-Train) and still young. Bruney is young as well, but has a somewhat heftier contract so could get through. He also could earn trade attention if multiple teams show interest.

  319. Russell NY March 6th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Very good link, Clay.

    http://www.twincities.com/ci_8.....ck_check=1

  320. whozat March 6th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    “Bruney is young as well, but has a somewhat heftier contract so could get through.”

    That’s an interesting point I had not considered.

    Though…wait, if a team DFAs a guy with guaranteed money…doesn’t the claiming team pay just the league minimum with the releasing team paying the rest?

  321. nyyfaninlaaland March 7th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    If you claim a guy on waivers, you take his whole contract. He has to be released, then signed as an FA for the new team to pay the minimum.

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