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Yankees-Rays: The Live Blog

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 12, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here we are at Al Lang Field for the Yankees vs. the Devil Rays. It’s 71 degrees and there’s a sellout crowd on hand.

I have three stories to write (Andy Pettitte, Billy Crystal and a notebook) but I’ll update this post from time to time.

FIRST INNING
Heath Phillips just got ejected for hitting Evan Longoria. But get this: There were two runs in and two runners on when he came up and in and barely brushed him across the chest. Umpire Chad Fairchild immediately ejected Phillips.

It was a total overreaction. But Phillips was about cooked anyway. Hopefully that settled this whole silly issue. 2-0 Rays.

WE HAVE A BRAWL

Shelley Duncan (of course) started the top of the second with a single. He tried to go to second as the ball rolled behind third base and was out by five feet. Duncan slid in with his spikes exceedingly high at Akinori Iwamura and was tagged out. He was immediately ejected.

Tampa Bay right fielder Jonny Gomes raced over and tackled Duncan and the benches cleared. There didn’t seem to be any punches thrown.

Gomes has been ejected as well. So were Bobby Meacham and Kevin Long.

I would think Duncan would get suspended for what he did. It was pretty blatant.

UPDATE: Just to make it clear, Duncan slid in with his right spike high in the air. Whether you think it was right or not is your call, but that’s what he did.

These teams play two more times in spring training and 18 times during the season. I suspect we’ll see plenty more fireworks.

FOURTH INNING
I’ll have to head down to the clubhouse soon to get the players. Still 2-0 Rays.

SEVENTH INNING
Just back from the clubhouse. All very predictable quotes. The Rays are mad at Shelley and Shelley swears he was just playing hard and meant nothing by it.

Iwamura has a cut on his thigh from Duncan’s spike. “Duncan himself knows it wasn’t a fair play,” he said.

Johnny Gomes: “It was premeditated on his part. … I know it’s not the Yankee way. You rarely see the Yankees do stuff like that.”

Duncan: “I just went hard into his glove. I was just going in hard. There was no malicious intent.”

Meanwhile Tampa leads 4-3 in the top of the 8th.

EIGHTH INNING
The Yankees scored three runs in the top of the inning to take a 6-4 lead. The Rays have since scored three off Jon “See you in Scranton” Albaladejo. It’s now 7-6 Rays.

 
 

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526 Responses to “Yankees-Rays: The Live Blog”

  1. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Can someone post the link to gameday.

  2. EricVA March 12th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Anybody know who’s starting? It’s unlikely that Heath Phillips is going 3 innings and I don’t think the rest are going 2 either.

  3. mel March 12th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Here’s the link to the gameday page from yesterday’s game thread:

    http://www.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/#20080312

  4. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Again no audio!!!

  5. mel March 12th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    And here’s the link for the Yankee game.

    http://www.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....b_tbamlb_1

  6. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    before the game starts

    for my NBA fans Shaq clears the bench again :lol:

  7. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    http://www.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/#20080312

    I think this is the right link… then click on Yankees / Rays it pops open.

  8. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Hmmm, Syracuse basketball in my TV, Yankees game on game day…

    Am I in heaven?

  9. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Thanks, I’m sure Pete will post right away if something happens.

  10. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    3 quick outs. and back to work for me :(

  11. mel March 12th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Well, that was quick. Heath Phillips up first.

  12. MikeEff - Shelley at First March 12th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    i can’t believe there isn’t even a radio feed for this game…

  13. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Melky, Robi and Bobby swung at pitch number 1 ?

  14. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Whos on the Ensburg making the team bandwagon? I hope they dont cut him. I think he’s going to have a good year somewhere.

  15. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Melky, Robi and Bobby swung at pitch number 1 ?

    Did Cano bat for Melky and Bobby?

  16. mel March 12th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Looks like Buchholz is on the mound for Boston. Game on mlb.tv if you want to scout.

  17. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    I’m on the Ensberg bandwagon, and SoS they all made the out on first pitch contact, Joe is going to make them run after that :)

  18. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    I’d like to see Ensberg make the team. The guy can hit and RH power is in short supply in baseball these days.

    The only question, and its a legitimate one is, can he hit off the bench?

    That’s a different role for him. He has always been an everyday player.

    He makes much more contact (and is a better hitter) from the right side than Betemit.

    Just don’t know how it shakes out roster-wise yet.

  19. CraftyLefty March 12th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    During spring training; Gameday usually doesn’t do pitch-by-pitch; and they enter the play-by-play at the end of the half inning.

  20. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    he’s playing Minny a good start for laptop would be giving up 2 runs by the 3rd we’ll see :)

  21. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    sj44,
    I heard the broadcasters yesterday that woodward is a lock to make the team. IMO i would prefer Ensburg than woodward. I assume if woodward makes it than ensburg cant?

  22. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    S.o.S.: i wouldn’t trust the Yankee broadcasters…

  23. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    I don’t know how they can say Woodward is a lock to make the team.

    Unless of course, they trade Betemit.

    That would be the only way I see Woodward at “lock” status as of today.

  24. Moshe Mandel March 12th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    This is Moshe Mandel from MVN’s The Bronx Block. We are starting a “Name The Three Kids” contest this afternoon. The prizes are a Yankees DVD set and the Yankees Century book. Here is the link. http://mvn.com/mlb-yankees/200.....s-tickets/

  25. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    that was Micheal Kay he has a fascination w/ Woodward

  26. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    gameday is frozen.

  27. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    It’s 2-0 Tampa Bay and they’re still in the bottome of the 1st.

  28. CB March 12th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    SJ,

    Thanks for the info on Brackman from the last thread. Interesting to hear your nephew’s take on price and him.

    Coming out of Cape Cod it looked like Brackman may go #1 – but then he got hurt. Completely unique talent.

    After he recovers from his injury and Nardi starts working with him I’d guess he’s sit in the high 90′s to go with the curve ball.

    You mentioned the Verducci rule before about workload – that popped into my mind when the injury on Janssen came out.

    I’ve looked some at the development of their young pitchers – many of them have gone past that 30 inning increase. McGowan increased his workload last year by 80 innings. I don’t think it bodes well for them.

    They’ve had so many arm injuries there – something is problem there with what they’re doing with their pitchers.

  29. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 12th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Don’t trust gameday pitch stats. It’s on sometimes and off sometimes.

  30. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    SoS they all made the out on first pitch contact, Joe is going to make them run after that.

    Brandon-I think after the game Joe should tie all threes hands behind their back and have Igawa pitch to them.Teach them not to swing at balls.Can you immagine how much torcher that would be for Robbie.

  31. kd March 12th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    I’ve had a lot of problems this year with gameday freezing on my work computer. I’m using firefox, anyone else having these issues?

  32. Sean Serritella YankeesDaily March 12th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    I don’t understand this and it’s frustrating. I paid to watch the Yankees live on the internet and they’re not showing the game. Why did I pay for this service if they aren’t going to show the Yankee games?

  33. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    talk about overreacting…that is not the situation for payback!

  34. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Pete: Thanks for the info.

    Interesting that it was Longoria that got nicked…prospect for prospect?

  35. Ben N.C. March 12th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Pete — Is your SE making you write about Crystal? Seems like a waste-of-time story to me. Just curious. (But it would be nice if that time was on a story/feat that mattered.)

    You continue to do a great job, regardless.

  36. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    -Brandon-I think after the game Joe should tie all threes hands behind their back and have Igawa pitch to them.Teach them not to swing at balls.Can you immagine how much torcher that would be for Robbie.-

    :lol:

  37. mel March 12th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Well, there it is. Heath was the sacrificial lamb.

  38. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    If you want frustrating, though, try watching Syracuse right now.

  39. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    So Heath Phillips gets ejected for nailing Longoria with a pitch.

    I can’t see the game so I don’t know if that’s payback or not.

    If it is, I tip my cap to Phillips.

    Now Brian can add him to the his headhunters list.

  40. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Hopefully that settled this whole silly issue.

    Longoria got brushed by his chest. Corvelli has a broken wrist. I dont see that as getting even. I say have Duncan wipe someone out at second on a double play ball (point to Zimmer going back to the dugout)and maybe we can turn the page.

  41. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Duncan took out a runner ! brawl !!

  42. Mike R. - The Anti-Anti March 12th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    I called it! Evan Longoria HBP.

  43. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    OMG!! I Can’t believe that they’re not showing this on MLB.tv

  44. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Sean Serritella YankeesDaily
    March 12th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
    I don’t understand this and it’s frustrating. I paid to watch the Yankees live on the internet and they’re not showing the game. Why did I pay for this service if they aren’t going to show the Yankee games?

    16.When you get pissed off that the preseason game isnt on t.v. Your a Yankeeholic. Welcome.

  45. Jeff March 12th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Gomes is a punk

  46. gayle March 12th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Of course the real one spring training game we want to see isnt anywhere to be found

  47. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    And this game is not on TV!! I’m more likely to believe this was intentional than the HBP

  48. Yankee4life! March 12th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    2 Yankees ejected so far. Benches clearing in Spring training?? lol.

  49. saucY March 12th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    “Whos on the Ensburg making the team bandwagon?”

    save me a seat

  50. frankiedue March 12th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    That is disappointing. If you are going to get ejected, at least get your money’s worth. Drill the guy in the knees or something.

  51. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    If Tampa wants to act like a bunch of punks, this is what’s going to happen.

    For something (Cervelli getting nailed) that “isn’t supposed to be a big deal”, it sure was a big deal to the Yankees.

    Fairchild’s overreaction to Phillips probably didn’t help.

    Gomes running in from RF tells me that the Rays was expecting something to happen.

    They are going to have to decide what they want to be. If they want to play baseball, fine.

    If they want to play the role of tough guys, they are going to get their guys hurt this year.

    Gomes coming in from right field is what started this entire thing.

    Well, looks like its going to be fun with these two teams this year.

  52. mel March 12th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    The poor Twins. First Hughes no-hits them and now they get the same from Buchholz. Although they never had a chance at Buccholz.

  53. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Meacham and Long too?? What did they do? I can’t believe we can’t see this anywhere.

  54. CB March 12th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Patterson wasn’t scheduled to pitch this game but is in now.

    Throws 3 pitches, 3 strikes and K’s DeFelice.

    It’ll be interesting to see if Girardi leaves him in the game.

    Bruney and Veras both got their scheduled spots skipped last game when Joba/Ian were pitching.

    Patterson has been very good this spring. Comes in and does nothing but throw strikes.

  55. Yankee4life! March 12th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Duncan will likely be suspended. Why was Kevin Long ejected?

  56. Sean Serritella YankeesDaily March 12th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    S.o.S.27, the worst thing about it is, I missed the brawl!

  57. kd March 12th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    I guess pete’s not getting much work done on his stories

  58. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    M&MD completely taking TB’s side screw them !

  59. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Duncan took out a runner ! brawl !!

    Come on. Your yankin my chain. Right? No Ray would be man enough to get into it with Duncan. Im sure they know one celebration slap from Dunc and its good night.

  60. mel March 12th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    If Youkilis was a fraction of a second slower he would’ve been on the deck. Liriano almost took him out. Rustiness or headhunter? lol.

  61. Jeff March 12th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Why couldn’t this game bye on YES? Sigh.

  62. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Why doesn’t Shelley surprise me?

  63. gayle March 12th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    KD more like some of the stories now changed and this takes a front seaton stories that need to be written

  64. FTP March 12th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    What? Still no Rays being send to the hospital yet? Disappointing.

  65. Yankee4life! March 12th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Look at what it says on gameday

    DELAYED: OTHER

  66. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Are they playing baseball yet? Gameday is stuck at the end of the first. Guess they are busy typing up the play-by-play of the brawl.

    Still trying to figure out how Long and Meacham got ejected!

  67. Yanksrule57 March 12th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Wow!
    Not surprising. The Girardi era so far indicates the Yankees have had a wake-up call.

    a much needed one IMO.

  68. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    any idea what meacham and long were ejected for?

  69. stuart March 12th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    yeah Joe Maddon teaching his guys how to win!!!!!!

    He is a moron, they play ties in spring training.

    Maddog spouting his standard stupidity

  70. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    S.o.S.27
    March 12th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
    Hopefully that settled this whole silly issue.

    Longoria got brushed by his chest. Corvelli has a broken wrist. I dont see that as getting even. I say have Duncan wipe someone out at second on a double play ball (point to Zimmer going back to the dugout)and maybe we can turn the page.

    from my earlier post. All i want to know is did Duncan point at Zimmer when leaving. If so,im good.

  71. mel March 12th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Gameday game status:

    “Delayed-other”

    I’m surprised they don’t have a “Delayed-Good Ol’ Fashioned Spring Training Brawl” code.

  72. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Here’s the way I look at it.

    Joe Maddon wants to play blood and guts baseball in March, that’s his right.

    If you can barrel over a catcher in a ST game, you can go in spikes up at second base.

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    If Gomes wants to come in from RF to fight, its his right.

    Next time they face him, you nail him. Period.

    When teams like Tampa pull this crap, you bury them.

    You spend the entire season doing whatever it takes to get your point across. Only then does it stop.

    Today was the start, not the finish to this, IMO.

    Gonna be a long year for the Rays.

    Good job by the Yankees showing they are not going to take this crap.

  73. Mike March 12th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    It’s so good to have a guy like Shelley on your team.

  74. G. Love March 12th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Since this game isn’t being televised, I’m just hoping there’s some shaky hand held amateur video of the Shelley incident.

    Something akin to Cloverfield.

  75. Mike March 12th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    SJ44: As long as it doesn’t result in injuries or suspensions to valuable guys I agree with you. When it starts affecting the W/L column, it needs to stop.

  76. Yanksrule57 March 12th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    I am going to be at Saturday’s game against the Rays. It might be a little more interesting now.

    BTW, Does anyone know whether Ian or Joba is going to pitch at Legends Field Saturday?

  77. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 12th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    S.o.S.27,

    He didn’t point at Zimmer, but he did run into the Tampa Bay dugout and high fived everyone there before leaving the game. An odd gesture to be sure.

  78. Sara March 12th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Brandon, mike and the mad dog are a bunch of jerks. russo is so anti yankees, he hates them. and before they had two guys on, met fans, who are going crazy that Billy Crystal is playing with the Yanks tomorrow. what the hell is wrong with met, i mean MUT fans? get over it, worry about your own loser team!!!

  79. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    thank god no sissy in this team !

  80. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Endless drama commercial’s on ESPN! It’s more entertaining than Syracuse right now.

  81. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Wow!
    Not surprising. The Girardi era so far indicates the Yankees have had a wake-up call.

    a much needed one IMO.

    A much needed attitude adjustment if you ask me. The Rays cant be that stupid. We play them what 18 times this year. I can understand burning bridges with a team in another division. Not your own. Maybe they are doing this to finally sell out their stadium in those games.

  82. Blargh March 12th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Quick recap for those of us not being able to follow?

  83. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    They haven’t had a problem selling tickets to those games before…their problem is that the tickets are sold mostly to Yankee fans!

  84. Say it ain't so March 12th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Boys are so stupid :P

  85. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    I don’t know why Russo is so upset. He said you play ST games like regular season games.

    He saw no problem with barreling over a catcher for that reason.

    So, you go in spikes up at second base. Its blood and guts March baseball baby!!

    That will be the title of the Joe Maddon “How I Manage The Game” DVD.

  86. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    They’re now in the bottom of the 2nd…

  87. mel March 12th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    In general I’m a pacifist and didn’t think that today was the right day for payback. But since it’s escalated to a full-blown incident, I like it. If you’re going to do it, do it right. There’s a fire in the belly that the Yankees haven’t had in a long time. I love it.

    Spring Training-Where Oh $#!& Happens

  88. Jon March 12th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Wait so did Gomes tackle Shelley or did they start wrestling or what. I can’t believe Gomes can take Shelley down.

  89. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter’s Gangster)
    March 12th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    S.o.S.27,

    He didn’t point at Zimmer, but he did run into the Tampa Bay dugout and high fived everyone there before leaving the game. An odd gesture to be sure.

    If thats the case. We can be sure that half those players wont be available for tomorrows game. Day to day.

    sj,
    I think we have more to lose in this feud than Tampa. They arent contending in the division. So if this carries on to the season. Than we hurt ourselves more than they do. Whats the difference for them in ending up second to last place or last place. Really?

  90. MikeEff - Shelley at First March 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    go shelley!!

  91. frits March 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    shel-ley! shel-ley! shel-ley!

  92. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    to top it all off, gameday changed Duncan’s hit to an error on Longoria…

  93. CB March 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Scott Patterson has thrown 12 pitches – all strikes.

    K’d Pena. 2 Ks total one hit in 1 1/3 of an inning.

    He’s had an impressive spring.

  94. Matthew Cohen March 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    ROFL – Go Shelley.
    Ya gotta love it.
    So much for the corporate, laid back Yankees.
    Tampa just better hope that Joba doesn’t decide to put his 2 cents in.

  95. Yankee4life! March 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Guys like Russo and CArton are just haters. No matter what the Yankees do they are in the wrong.

  96. mel March 12th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Not a smart decision by Shelley to go in with the spikes up. Sheesh.

  97. TTERB March 12th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    I LOVE THIS…. FINALLY A GUY WITH SOME FIRE ! LOVE SHELLEY – YOU GOOFY LOOKIN DORK…IMO, WE LOST OUR BALLS WHEN ONEILL RETIRED… NEXT THING IS TOO BRUSH BACK BIG PAPI WITH A JOBA 99 MPH FASTBALL

  98. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    So if Duncan is at risk of suspension for sliding in with a high spike [is that punishable in a regular season game??], is Gomes at risk of suspension for “racing over and tackling” Duncan? If an ill-advised slide into 2nd is bad, I have to think purposely running in from the outfield to tackle an already out baserunner is worse (I mean, unless they changed the rules of baseball over the winter, I don’t think there is any “tackling” plays allowed).

  99. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    This has to be a joke. The guy is grazed by a pitch and the kid gets ejected. When will Shelley be suspended? For st? or the regular season?

  100. Jeff March 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Also hoping Ensberg makes the team.

  101. Joe March 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Well guys, the good thing about this is the Yankees won’t overlook games against Tampa. I think sometimes over the years the Yanks took those games for granted. No more, thanks to General Joe and Private Duncan(who apparently did a good job taking orders.)

  102. mird March 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    According to gameday, every yankee batter has swung and made contact on the first pitch… is that right? Did Girardi tell them to be aggressive and swing?

  103. G. Love March 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    I’d love to know where Jeter stands on this new tougher Yankee attitude since usually he’s on the sidelines laughing it off with the biggest star on the opposing team.

    I love Jeter, but I can’t stand the hugging and kissing he does with opposing players during the game at 2b.

    I’m not saying I want brawls every night, but this team has needed to stand up for itself for awhile now and I think that’s part of the identity that lets a Boston team think they’re baddest dudes in town.

    Joba threw a few over the chin’s head last year.

    Shelley stood up for a minor league catcher today.

    I’m glad some of the Yankees realize the culture of the clubhouse needed some edge and brotherhood again.

    And the last thing Tampa needed to do was give the Yankees an actual reason to want to destroy them during the regular season.

  104. Caitlin March 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Shelley rocks. The Rays are nothing but little punks….and M&MD just need to stop talking. Forever.

  105. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Shelley is the man.

  106. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Now that i sort of predicted that Duncan was going to do something. Can i be put in the same breath as bobcat and that other guy who predicted arod coming back to the yankees? How do you know i didnt have a one on one talk with shelley. O.k. i dont have any connections. But how do we know if they did.

  107. Yankee4life! March 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Coco Crisp might be coming to the Mets for Pagan.

  108. mel March 12th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Gameday’s goofy. Not showing balls & strikes. Everyone’s swung on the first pitch and Sonnestine’s thrown 10 pitches.

  109. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    I think that Duncan and Gomes will both be suspended…

  110. Peter Abraham March 12th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Wow, SJ44 all fired up.

    This is all pretty silly, if you ask me. Let somebody hit Johnson during the season and be done with it. Why are major leaguers fighting over what a AAA player did to a A player?

    If Shelley Duncan is suspended for 4 days to start the season and the Yanks have to play with 24, still think it’s great? Shelley is a good kid with a lot of energy. But sliding at somebody with your spikes at their throat is not the most professonal thing in the world. What does Iwamura have to do with this?

    Girardi, I’ll bet anything, is going to have a long talk with Shelley about playing baseball and not turning the Yankees into the WWF.

  111. Mehdi thinks Bostondirtdogs are scum March 12th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Duncan shouldn’t go studs up like that. You can seriously ijure a player. Eduardo Da Silva of Arsenal had has foot torn off his ankle a couple of weeks ago by a studs up tackle. You can play hard but not dirty.

  112. MikeEff - Shelley at First March 12th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    i can’t be-LIEVE we aren’t getting this on TV!! DRAT!

  113. islesfan March 12th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Sounds like it was just a good hard baseball play, the kind that Joe Maddon preaches, so why would the Rays take exception to it?

    What did Zimmer say? That’s how you play the game? Even in spring training?

  114. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Tampa just better hope that Joba doesn’t decide to put his 2 cents in.

    ATTENTION rays. Go back and look at Youkalis last year. This could be you.

  115. Tra March 12th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Gameday doesn’t always update every single pitch (during spring training anyway) – Patterson may not have actually thrown 12 strikes. But if he did, it sure is impressive.
    Also, this most likely also means everyone isn’t swinging on the first pitch… not sure why they log some pitches and not others.
    They should hire me… I’d be on every pitch.

  116. CB March 12th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    “Everyone’s swung on the first pitch”

    I don’t think they want their at bats to last too long in this game.

  117. Yankee4life! March 12th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    ^regarding Jeter, he has never been a great teammate. He picks and chooses whom he backs on the team. Thats one area in which A-Rod might be a beter Yankee that Jeter.

  118. as2008 March 12th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    Is anyone watching the game? Where was Porter’s hit?

  119. Alan March 12th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Ensberg could play himself on the roster and Betemit could play himself off the roster or be part of a late March deal.

  120. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Between not being able to see this on tv and Syracuse deciding that they don’t really want to play in the NCAA tourney, it’s been an interesting day, and that’s putting it nicely.

  121. Peter Abraham March 12th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    G. Love:

    Baseball doesn’t work that way. You think guys go to the plate or throw pitches being all emotional? The Yankees have needed to stand up for themselves for a while now? Really? Those 97 wins a year they have averaged since 1996 weren’t tough enough for you?

    Veteran players laugh at this sort of this thing. It’s a bunch of kids acting like wrestlers because they want to get on ESPN and You Tube.

  122. Anthony March 12th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    This is awesome, so sick of the Torre era turning the other cheek. Time for some payback. Make these teams scared when they face us, we’re certainly big enough.

  123. Blargh March 12th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    Well, isn’t that something that Cobb would’ve approved of

  124. Will March 12th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    Macho stupidity. This all just gets in the way of enjoying the game. If you want to see grown men jostle and push each other, go watch the WWE.

  125. Jane March 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    I have a question. Say Shelley is not on the 25-man roster on Opening Day, when does the suspension start? If they send him to Scranton, does those days count on the suspension?

  126. Patrick March 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    I don’t see the problem. As far as I know, sliding hard into second base isn’t against the rules. If Maddon wants “good hardball” he’ll get it. Kudos to Duncan. I hope Joba pegs Gomes next time they face each other.

  127. gayle March 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    The Crisp Met rumoured trademakes no sense as far as I can tell for the Mets they already have a CF (Beltran) what are they going to put Crisp in LF??

    I am not at all familair with Pagan so dont know what he would bring to the Sox

  128. JT March 12th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    pete, are you exaggerating about duncan going that high with the spikes? you gotta be exaggerating to get your point across…

  129. Phil Hughes is Saved! March 12th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Oh the drama

  130. Yankee4life! March 12th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    “This is awesome, so sick of the Torre era turning the other cheek. Time for some payback. Make these teams scared when they face us, we’re certainly big enough.”

    Yeah Shelly, Giambi, Farnsworth, Bruney, Joba can take out anyone!!!

  131. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    I feel like if you don’t ever push back, they just keep doing it – Maddon can build his new “winning attitude” on teams like Baltimore. He doesn’t need to do that here.

    Would the appropriate response have been to just “turn the other cheek” – I’m sure that would have played well on Sports Center. You’re damned if you do (take action) and damned if you don’t – I think it’s better to act in support of your team and send some sort of message than it is to just sit there and take it.

  132. saucY March 12th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Maddon – Tough All Spring!

  133. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Pete,

    I’d take the suspension without question and behind the scenes, I bet the Yankees are happy about it.

    He gets a 3-4 day suspension, they can live with it.

    There are some things you just don’t do. Nailing Cervelli, then using it as a platform to announce what kind of baseball you intend to play (in spring training, no less) is the wrong way to go.

    Maddon didn’t even ask how the kid was. He was too busy using the play as a “statement” for his team.

    That’s his right. Its also an opponents right to not like it and take matters into their own hands.

    If he wants to play all out in March, he ought to expect things like this will occur.

    If you (not “you” specifically; generically speaking) get concerned about suspensions and stuff like that, you are always going to be the target because, sooner or later, teams will know you won’t retailiate and take their liberties.

    That’s what happened to the Yankees for a few years when they never retailiated over this stuff. Unlike the Dynasty Teams, I might add.

    Sometimes, you have to make a point. Publicly, Girardi should admonish Shelley and tell everybody that has “no place in baseball”.

    Privately, he ought to be real happy his team is showing they aren’t going to take any crap from other teams.

  134. mel March 12th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Pete,

    I disagree. I think Shelley felt it was his duty to payback some extra. Being tough is in his DNA, not to get on youtube. Not a bright idea, but Shelley probably feels like he needs to be an enforcer.

  135. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Peter,
    For awhile now we’ve had teams hit our best players and pitchers like Mussina and co. Didnt do anything to protect them(ASIDE FROM CLEMENS). I can remember boston hurting both Jeter and Soriano and got nothing in return. You as a team want to know that your team has your back. Its not wwe,its a message you send to teams to protect the next players in line. That we can play that game as well. NO FREE PASSES.

  136. Enrique Wilson's Chin March 12th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    This stuff is totally silly, really. It seems the Rays are trying like hell to have this new attitude that they aren’t some pushover team anymore. They’ll still lose 90 games.

    That being said, I think Shelley sliding with his spikes up is a little overboard. At least the point got across now.

  137. kd March 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    I personally think that the Yankees have to be careful with all of this rah rah stuff. The yankees are the yankees, the one team in the world that everyone but us HATES. Do you really want some relief pitcher who throws 98 just out of AAA plucking arod in the head to make himself more popular with his teammates? Let’s not be more of a target than necessary. An eye for an eye is fine until someone really gets hurt.

    I do appreciate the new tougher attitude and agree that we were a little soft under Torre, but tough doesn’t have to mean thug. And that’s where other teams who have no chance at the playoffs might take it

  138. GabeP March 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Hopefully if Shelly is suspended…. it will just be for tomorrow’s game – no worries – we have capable backup Billy Crystal filling in. :-)

  139. Peter Abraham March 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    JT: His foot was straight up in the air. Think about how tall Shelley is for a second. It was not a “good hard slide.” If somebody did that to Jeter, you’d want him executed.

  140. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Hey Pete – they’re copying your post (WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION) over on some Sox blog!

    http://boards.boston.com/n/pfx.....;tid=43696

  141. Sean March 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Peter:
    Your stance is ridiculous. Just because a player is in single A ball doesn’t mean he’s not a legit prospect, which Cervelli is. Who knows how far this injury sets him back. Pretty much all managers will tell their players not to barrel a catcher over in Spring Training. The point is not to get injured in ST. If you let your players do it, that’s what I call headhunting. Headhunting is bad any way you put it. If Johnson can do what he did, Duncan’s is just as ok. IN fact, Duncan’s didn’t injure anyone…. SO what’s worse? This is all on the infernay Rays manager and trying to make headlines in spring training so that his team seems relevant…

  142. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Madden better take the same stance after this game. That is was a good hard baseball slide. He should get on his outfielder for body slamming Duncan. That isn’t a baseball move, that is a WWF move.

  143. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    SaucY: Tough All Spring is brilliant! I love it!

  144. Jax March 12th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Alright Shelly! That a boy.

  145. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    What makes us think Duncan did this without Girardi’s approval. I say Girardi gave him the green ligh and turned the other way on it.

  146. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    CB,

    Scott Patterson has acquainted himself very well this spring.

    It really is amazing when you think about it.

    This is the first year in a long time, guys will be sent to Scranton who are good enough to pitch on this pitching staff.

    It shows there is pitching depth back in the organization.

    That last spot on the staff (I am assuming Karstans and Traber make the team; leaving one open spot) is really going to be interesting.

    Bruney, Britton and Patterson have all thrown the ball well. Albie, Veras and Ohlendorf aren’t far behind.

    Gonna be a tough call for Girardi and the staff.

  147. Say it ain't so March 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Billy Crystal better have thrown a punch or I want him released ASAP.

  148. stuart March 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    zimmer another know it all. he was losing baseball until he came to the yanks, remember that…..

    peter the point is the Torre yankees were not that interested, look at the camp objectively the guys are in better shape, why????????

    Torre was a great manager then these are new times,. Obviously I did not see the Duncan play and I assume it was stupid but it was caused by the Maddon stupidity. And for morons like Maddog that say the guy was trying to make the team, he hit 207 last yr. in the minors!!!!!!!He is not making the team and to collide with the cathcer, 2nd tampa incedent is just stupidity.

  149. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Pete maybe he was trying out for the Rocketts.

  150. youngtimer March 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    I see the need to stand up for our players but I don’t want to waste energy fighting the Rays. I hope it ends here.

  151. Yanksrule57 March 12th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Pete,

    Gotta disagree with you on this one. Yes the team has won a lot of games the past few years. But many of us thought the team was too unemotional and lacked fire. You can’t tell me you didn’t start to see a difference last year when Cano and Melky started asserting themselves. I could see it watching on tv!
    I know you are around these guys all the time, but are you really saying you don’t see any difference other than they have run more this spring?

  152. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    I doubt the spike was up to his throat but I agree w/ SJ, if you can run over a catcher in ST, it spikes up for you dammit !!! and the guy that needs to be suspended is Gomes he ran from RF and tackled although I would love to see the tape on that, Duncan. And M&MD need to ST.U because it’s about time we stopped turning the cheek !!

  153. mel March 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    I think a lesson has been learned here. Don’t block the freaking plate! Dominoes will continue to fall all season. As long as we win it’s all good, otherwise-for nothing.

  154. holdstrong March 12th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    We have a kid with a broken wrist and a big league player who will be suspended.

    Who do you think is winning this fight right now?

  155. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    oh and last I checked Shelley isn’t guaranteed a position

    “he’s just trying to leave an impression and make the team, remember Ensberg and Betemit and Giambi, Matsui, etc…” ;)

  156. Aaron March 12th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    “JT: His foot was straight up in the air. Think about how tall Shelley is for a second. It was not a “good hard slide.” If somebody did that to Jeter, you’d want him executed.”

    If somebody did that to Jeter people here would be freaking out and openly crying.

    Shelly Duncan is a mongoloid and a disgrace to the game of baseball. What if he took his eye out?

    All because some AAA guy knocked over a catcher who was blocking the plate?

  157. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    So, umm, what’s the score of the game? ;)

  158. murphydog March 12th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    D U M B.

  159. Rich M March 12th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Hey Pete – did you notice if that “unnamed” Yankee veteran you quoted earlier today even left the bench during the benches clearing “brawl”? Looks like Shelly is driving the emotional bus so far this spring.

    I’ll be nterested to see how Joe G deals with him publicly when you guys ask about it.

  160. mird March 12th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Well Iwamura is the 2nd baseman, so you’d have to say ‘if somebody did that to Cano’.

  161. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    gameday shows 1st and 2nd no outs…

  162. PJH March 12th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    If Shelly took out Iwamuras eye on a slide into second base, I would personally give him a medal.

    You cant let other teams get their way with you in any sport. It is hardball. Ask Joe Madden about “Hardball”. Im sure he will talk about wine, politics and restaurants.

  163. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    and a half a second later the inning is over….sorry i’ll stop doing that

  164. murphydog March 12th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    “Maddon – Tough All Spring!”

    saucY: LOL

  165. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Obviously, I can’t see the play. I have no doubt Pete’s reporting is correct.

    I have no doubt it was a high slide.

    He’ll get suspended for 3-4 games. Suspensions are for regular season games, even if they happen in the spring. If he wants, he can appeal it and put it off a few weeks.

    I do, however think, they needed to do something today.

    It doesn’t mean they have to say it publicly. Personally, I believe the stronger Girardi comes out publicly after the game admonishing Shelley, the more I’ll believe the Yankees were gunning for somebody today. Call it the “he doth protests too much” defense!

    Why Iwamura? Simple. He happened to be in the way at the time payback was initiated. You don’t pay back Johnson. You payback one of the regulars. That’s how the stuff stops because the regulars don’t want to be the targets for their manager trying to “fire up” some AAA scrub.

    Tampa made their statement. The Yankees have made theirs and now it should be over.

    If Tampa wants to escalate it, clearly the Yankees aren’t going to back down. That’s the positive from this little episode today.

  166. Blargh March 12th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Meh, it’ll take a lot to be a disgrace to a game that enshrines cheaters and a guy who sharpened his spikes for some good ol’ instilling of fear.
    Of course, said guy who sharpened his spikes happened to be a pretty damn good hitter.

  167. Aaron March 12th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    PJH
    March 12th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
    If Shelly took out Iwamuras eye on a slide into second base, I would personally give him a medal.

    You cant let other teams get their way with you in any sport. It is hardball. Ask Joe Madden about “Hardball”. Im sure he will talk about wine, politics and restaurants.”

    PJH – No joke, but you are a sick individual who probably has some serious mental issues.

  168. Freeforever March 12th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    I think the Yankees look ridiculous. Sean Deveney of Sporting News said it best:

    “What’s not to understand? It’s baseball. If you’re a runner trying to score, and the catcher is blocking the plate, you do what you have to do to score. That, generally, means plowing through the catcher. Most times, the catcher doesn’t get injured. This time, he did. But what was Johnson supposed to do? Pull up? Lie down in the basepath? Go and fetch Cervelli a cup of tea?”

    For all the talk here about the Yankees needing to be tough, there sure is a lot of complaining about a legitimate play in baseball that’s apparently to “rough” on the Yankees for spring training.

  169. Peter Abraham March 12th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    You guys crack me up, all blood and guts.

    Trust me, Girardi will be horrified by this. It looks like you can’t control your players when somebody slides in like he’s Bruce Lee.

    Phillips got ejected, that should have been that.

    You have to see it. He took off for second knowing he would be out. The throw beat him by five feet and he slid in with his right foot as high as it could go. The umpire ejected him immediately, it wasn’t even close. It was obvious what he intended.

    Shelley is great, he’s a lot of fun. But I’m not making this up, he did what he did. If somebody from Tampa Bay had done that to Cano, you’d all be losing your minds. It was not a “good hard baseball slide.”

    Anyway, I have to run downstairs. You George Pattons have fun.

  170. islesfan March 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    This has nothing to do with what an A ball player did to an AAA ball player. It has to do with an organization allowing it’s players to act recklessly at the expense of another team’s players. Someone has to answer for Joe Maddon and Don Zimmer’s actions and comments, unfortunately it was Iwamura.

    They brought this upon themselves.

  171. Scorpio March 12th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    I’m glad it’s done, if the repercussions are a few suspensions it’s worth it. How many times do the Yanks have to turn the other cheek? Sometimes it’s not about taking the high road but speaking in their language. When dealing with dirty, uhm aggressive, players…play aggressive.

  172. Scott March 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Holdstrong:

    We had no choice on the broken wrist. That happened without us having any say in the matter.

    I have to disagree with Pete too. The Yankees over the last few years have gotten hit over and over and almost never retaliated. It’s about time we had someone with some fire in their belly who realizes you don’t overreact to every little thing, but liberties can’t be taken with impunity.

    It’s great to be professional and go about your business without getting too high or too low. That’s what the Yankees have been for the last few years. It turns into a problem when that professional attitude snuffs out the fire to win.

    Shelly Duncan is not the best player on this team. He’s probably not in the top 20….but he is the fire, the guts and the heart. He’s reminding us what it is like to play hungry.

  173. Aaron March 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Nice to see Pete being objective

    Some of you blood lusters should do the same

  174. mird March 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Yes! Pete changed it to Cano. Anyways, I smell World War 3

  175. CB March 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    “This is the first year in a long time, guys will be sent to Scranton who are good enough to pitch on this pitching staff.”

    Agreed. Can never have too much pitching – look at the Jays or even the Sox. Okajima goes down and they are in big trouble.

    That is one of the great advantages of having depth. You’re never going to get through the season with only 12 pitchers. Going in, you know that. It’s just inevitable – don’t know who is going to miss time but one of the 12 will.

    In the past the yankees have turned to arms that are AAAA at best (often worse). This year they’ll have guys who can compete in the majors.

    Patterson is a great example. He’s throwing himself into the mix for that last spot. Great story – going from stuck in the independent league to being one call away from the show.

  176. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    I’m curious as to why Meachem and Long got ejected.

    You know it must have been something because the Red Sox trolls and Yankee haters are coming out of the woodwork now.

    I expect Outside The Lines to do a one hour piece titled, “Yankee Tradition….Is It Over?

  177. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    The problem with this escaliting the Rays have nothing to lose, they can continue it. The Yankes on the other hand have plenty to lose.

    Joe will and should come out strongly admonishing Shelley for his slide, he’ll likely say in addtion to what ever the leauge decides to do the Yankees will do something behind closed doors for Shelleys actions. Say we are disppointed that he choice to do this. etc.

  178. scott March 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Shelley needs to learn to hide his spike hide slides

  179. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Did we ever figure out what the coaches got ejected for – that would probably help us better understand the picture…

  180. mikethemike March 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Aaron,

    Why do you think Shelly is a mongoloid? Can to expound on that ?

  181. saucY March 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Mike and Maddog bashing the yanks on this already?!?

    $20 says they aren’t even watching ;)

  182. Enrique Wilson's double chin March 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    The point Peter makes, and a good one, is that if one of those morons on the Rays slides like that towards Jeter, we would be all be saying things along the lines of, “Get the guy out of baseball, suspend the guy for 60 games, etc.”

    If he bumped into a guy while running the bases, it is one thing. Sliding into second with your spikes up is dangerous and unnecessary.

  183. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    You know, the one game it really would be beneficial to see on TV…

  184. Jane March 12th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    SJ: Re the suspension: What if Sheley’s not on the 25-man roster when the regular season starts? Does AAA games count toward the suspension?

    BTW, where is Farnsworth in all of this? I thought the reason why they’re keeping him around is for things like this.

  185. Clare March 12th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    On SJ’s “they were gunning for someone today” theory – is it coincidence that ARod and Jeter (the two biggest targets) aren’t playing today?

  186. PJH March 12th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Aaron- Calm down buddy. It was joke. You are overreacting. Every body knows its not possible to take someones eye out on a slide into second base.

  187. Aaron March 12th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    mikethemike….did you see what he did today?

    When Arod gets his wrist broken by Kazmir, will you people be cheering then?

  188. scott March 12th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    We all have to remember that our guys have been the league baseball magnet for the better part of 5 years because of the “professional” image that Torre commands. this is the right time for this, spring trraining, send a message. As I said though, Shelley, learn how to spike someone! Aim for the shins, go higher and you may hurt someone.(I have been spiked, its not all that terrible)

  189. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Clare: Stranger things have happened.

    PJH: Stranger things have happened.

  190. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Oh Please, let’s can this “being objective” nonsense.

    Its ok for Pete to have a difference of opinion with some of us on this issue.

    Frankly, its what makes the blog fun. Nobody agrees on everything in here.

    Let’s not get into any moralizing on this. Shelley probably did a dumb thing escalated by what happened on Saturday.

    That’s life. Nobody’s “eye got taken out” or any of this other nonsense.

    Its baseball. Joe Maddon wants it played this way in March, you play it this way in March.

    I guarantee you the Yankees aren’t playing like this against anybody else this spring. Stuff happens, you deal with it and you move on.

  191. PJH March 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Stranger things have happened but no infielder that I know of has lost his eye on a take out slide.

  192. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Aaron you act like Arod hasn’t intentionally been thrown at :) P.S. I don’t think you want to get in that type of thing w/ him

  193. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    I mentioned earlier that I found it interesting they both were out.

    Hopefully this is the end of it.

  194. mird March 12th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Conspiracy theory: Steroids get the heat, so Selig told Girardi and Maddon to start a rivalry this season so the Rays and Marlins might actually sell some tickets

  195. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    I”m not listening but what are mike and idot basing their rant on. It isn’t on tv, radio anywhere.

  196. mikethemike March 12th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Aaron,

    I understand what he did and was over the line in my opinion based on what Pete said (not seeing the play myself), but why the term mongoloid ? Are you saying he is suffering from Down Syndrome; “a mongoloid child” ???

  197. PJH March 12th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Aaron- If someone injures a player on your team you have to answer, minorleaguer or star. You have make players think twice before plowing Jorge.

  198. PAT March 12th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    shelly is the man!

  199. gayle March 12th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    You know Shellys quote from the other day needs to be revised.

    Didnt he say something to the effect that it would be decided on the way from 3rd to hom. Looks like he decided on the way from 1st to 2nd.

  200. Blargh March 12th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Well, apparently Ty Cobb managed to once open up a gash on a third baseman’s arm with his spikes

    http://www.baseballlibrary.com....._cobb_1886

  201. mel March 12th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    CB,

    And the cherry on top is that we have at least 2 top drawer pitchers coming off TJ.

    Scott,

    He should’ve taken off his cleats before he took off. He knew he was out anyway. lol.

  202. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Jane,

    No. You can’t switch the suspension to AAA. If Shelley didn’t make the team, the suspension would take place the next time he was in the majors.

    Please, nobody’s eye is going to be taken out.

    Its funny to see all these new people (ie: Red Sox trolls) coming in here to discuss this incident..

    Its not a big deal that Pete disagrees with some of us on this issue. It really isn’t.

    Its what makes the blog fun because none of us agree on everything.

    I get a charge though out of the high and mighty “moralists” (ahem: Red Sox fans) that come in here to discuss this incident. As if they don’t get their panties in a wad when something happens to one of their own.

    Stuff happens during a season. You handle it and move on. If another team wants to keep it going, you deal with it.

    As of now, it should be over.

  203. Blargh March 12th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Gah, arrows were cut out?
    5th paragraph

  204. Johnson March 12th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    What is it that Maddon called it?

    Good old fashion hardball. But he really shouldn’t have done it. Then again, the Rays shoulda let it go and Gomes shouldn’t have tackled Shelly (mostly becuase hitting him must be like hitting a brick wall).

  205. Joba the Great March 12th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Billy Crystal should have went spikes high. He’d wear a suspension like a badge of honor. Nobody rides for free, Billy.

  206. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    New here and haven’t read all of the comments but just want to say that I’m thrilled to have Girardi as manager. That said, tt looks like the pastoral days of no pulse and sipping green tea may be over. While I truly respected the “Yankee” way of doing things and watching the Sox always look like the idiots in terms of brawling, hopefully brawls will be a Yankee aberration as opposed to a way of life. I’m willing to make the trade-off to have Girardi’s energy and intelligence at the helm.

  207. Jax March 12th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Caller on WFAN: “Joba has a little punk in him”

    He threw at a Twins batter after “a tape measure job”

    These people can’t be serious.

  208. no.27 March 12th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    I wish I could have seen this play and I hope that eventually it will be on-line somewhere, but I don’t really agree with most of the guys on this board.

    First of all, I did see the play at the plate where Cervelli got hurt and I don’t think anyone would have made that big a deal of it if Girardi didn’t make it such a big deal. I understand it is a spring training game, but it is not nearly on the level of what I’ve heard about Duncan going into 2nd. Sliding in hard to 2nd spikes up when your clearly out and your not even trying to break up double play is not a baseball play. That is why he was thrown out immediately and the guy that hurt Cervelli was not.

    I do, however, think that these events will help the Yankees during the season. The Yankees went 10-8 against the Rays last year and the Rays lost 96 games. Thats what cost us the division. I really think this is going to help the Yankees get up for these games and hopefully win 12 to 15 of them.

  209. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Meanwhile, MLB Gameday sure stinks, unless my computer is just running slow. I get all of the plays after the inning is over!

  210. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    I’ve been hearing that a lot today – that Joba threw at the Twins guy – did I miss something? I was watching that game and it didn’t look intentional to me…

  211. mel March 12th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Steve Phillips will have a field day with this and Gammons will call Shelley a goon. He won’t be entirely wrong, but he’ll say there’s no place for this in baseball.

    I wonder if people will think twice about throwing at our guys? If so, this is all so worth it.

  212. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Hey, at least it gives us something to talk about today!

  213. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    best wording I heard

    -BLOOD AND GUTS BASEBALL IN MARCH BABY- :lol:

  214. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    best wording I heard

    -BLOOD AND GUTS BASEBALL IN MARCH BABY- :lol:

  215. mel March 12th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Did Bill Smith scout any tape of Gomez before he traded for him? I don’t know much about the position, but it’s painful watching him throw from center to third.

  216. rbj March 12th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    I cannot condone going in with spikes high. There’s already one player out for a few weeks, no need for another one to have his whole career put at risk. Plunk a guy in the butt or ribs and make that the end of it.

  217. mird March 12th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Man… SJ thinks I’m a troll

  218. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Who really cares what ESPN has to say about the Yankees?

    I mean, really, are you guys expecting something complimentary from Steve Phillips.

    Its not a big deal. The Yankees handled it and you move on.

    If Tampa wants to escalate it, that’s their call.

    At least we know its not a turn the other cheek team this year.

    That’s a positive.

  219. Jeff NJ March 12th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    I gotta say, I was all for the Yankees pushing back and don’t mind a suspension. However, I am feeling wholy unsatisfied by the retaliation. I mean, we have a prospect out two months and probably a suspension. The Rays got a prospect getting hit and probably feel big because the whole world is defending their actions against the big bad Yankees. If the situation was reversed the Yankees would be getting killed in the media. Anyway, hopefully this ends it, but it is not a satisfying ending.

  220. mel March 12th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Poor Gomez, just lost the pop fly in the sun. Runner would’ve scored from 3rd, but didn’t get the out and another runner advanced.

  221. jk March 12th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    At least the team has a pulse this year. The last couple of years they sleptwalked thru 2 months of spring training and 2 months of the regular season. They have gone from Torre’s green tea to a Girardi double espresso.

  222. Fran March 12th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Did anybody find out why Long and Meacham were ejected.

    And what was Johnny Gomes doing running in from right field? From what I heard he really precipitated the brawl.

  223. Bryan March 12th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    KILL KILL KILL

  224. Baja March 12th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    If it had been Billy Crystal who slid in high and then got suspended, everyone would have a good hard laugh.

    I have the feeling that $5 rain out makeups against TB are going to have more attendees this year…

  225. mel March 12th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Fran,

    From what I gathered, Gomes came in after Shelley slide in with high spikes. I’m kosher with that because I’d expect our guys to do the same thing for Cano or Jeter.

  226. Drew March 12th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    “Say it ain’t so March 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Billy Crystal better have thrown a punch or I want him released ASAP.”

    LMAO..now THAT’s the line of the day :D

    Just a reminder to some; this is baseball not the NHL. Yes, the Yankees have not stood up for themselves enough when they’ve had hit batsmen, but if you hard going to get a team back with a hard slide it should be a clean, hard slide.

    Blood and guts–silly

    I just want to know, did Zim get rolled?

  227. Scott March 12th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Mel-

    I am. They are breaking out the thesaureses and hyperbole generators now in preparation.

    Maybe you can answer this question: Why is it ok for the Rays to play “hard nosed, old fashioned baseball” in March but when the Yankees respond in “hard nosed, old fashioned” style, then we get the uproar that we are wrong?

    Either you should play that way in March or you should not play that in March. Not “If you are the Rays, it’s ok to do that in March…but if you are the Yankees, it’s not”

  228. GabeP March 12th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
  229. rbizzler March 12th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    One thing that no one is really talking about is whether or not Johnson’s play on Cervelli was a clean play, ST or not. Most of the collisions at the plate see guys come in on the catcher forearms first and try and push the catcher over while jarring the ball free. Johnson came in head down and shoulder first (a penalty in all levels of football) like a missile.

    Even if it was a regular season game I am not so sure that his play would have been all that well received, injury or not.

  230. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Back to the game…..

    A 1-2-3 inning for Ohlendorf. Very good work today by Patterson, Hawkins and Ohlendorf.

    Combined: 4 1/3 innings, 4 hits, 1 BB, 5 K’s, 0 Runs.

    Can’t ask for anymore than that from those guys.

  231. Pete March 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Come on, Pete…this isn’t Little League. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If Tampa Bay wants to play baseball this way, they have to expect some retaliation.

    The 77 and 78 Yankees would be proud. Those guyw were hated for not taking crap but all they did was win. Hopefully this team will follow suit.

  232. Scott March 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Mel

    That should read “I am sure” not “I am.” LOL!

  233. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    I love how someone getting hit in the foot turned into him intentionally hitting someone.

  234. mel March 12th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Drew,

    I’m sorry, but I’m really lol at myself right now. This is sick, but I’m picturing the crew breaking up the brawl, and everyone is horrified to find Zim lying lifeless on the ground with a shiv in his gut.

    Sick, sick, sick. But you started it.

  235. Jeff NJ March 12th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Scott, the media will say “the Rays slide was good old fashioned hard nosed baseball trying to knock the ball out to get a run, but the Duncan slide is not about being safe or out, it was just to hurt the Rays player”. Needless to say, I find this to be complete bs, but get ready for it.

  236. Jon March 12th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    I’m probably in the minority here but I think Duncan and Girardi are way out of line. There are two reasons why the collision at home was fine:

    1 – it’s an instinctive play. You’re 30 feet from home and the catcher is blocking the plate, you’re going to try and score, and that’s it. You’re not thinking “hey, it’s spring training.” You’re instinctively trying to score.

    2 – it’s a young player trying to impress his manager. He has a LOT more to lose by assuming the manager wouldn’t want a collision than by playing the game the right way.

    The Yankees and Girardi completely overreacted. Shelley’s play today was inexcusable. He’ll rightly be suspended.

  237. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    good job by the BP today :lol:

  238. CB March 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    “This is the first year in a long time, guys will be sent to Scranton who are good enough to pitch on this pitching staff.”

    mel,

    I agree. We’ve talked about Melacon a lot. But Sanchez gets lost in the mix a bit.

    He’s got tremendous talent. He really does. Phil and Sanchez were in the Eastern league at the same time in 2006 – Phil had one of the great minor league years in the recent past. But Sanchez was named Eastern Conference pitcher of the year. I’m really looking forward to seeing him throw.

    He was clocked in the low 90′s while his elbow was bothering him. If the recovery goes well I could see him sitting in the

  239. dave March 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    you get use once, we’ll get you twice…

  240. Aaron March 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    “Scott, the media will say “the Rays slide was good old fashioned hard nosed baseball trying to knock the ball out to get a run, but the Duncan slide is not about being safe or out, it was just to hurt the Rays player”. Needless to say, I find this to be complete bs, but get ready for it.”

    But that is EXACTLY what happened!

  241. mel March 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    SJ,

    I was just thinking the same thing looking at Gameday. You have to wonder if Phillips was really nervous at the prospect of having to actually hit someone. Like a hitman afraid to pull the trigger. lol.

    That was a pretty rough 1st inning.

  242. Drew March 12th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    mel, I didn’t take quite that far, LOL.

    Pete (not PeteAbe), the Cervelli play is considered clean in baseball. Going spikes high hasn’t been since Ty Cobb played.

  243. Jon March 12th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Jeff NJ:

    Which part of it is BS? Either you think that Johnson was intentionally trying to hurt Cervelli, or you think that Duncan wasn’t intentionally trying to hurt Iwamura.

    Do you really believe either of those?

  244. Scott March 12th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Jeff

    You are probably right. That is about what they will say. They will completely ignore that going in spikes up is the “old fashioned” way of playing the game.

    I hate double standards like this.

  245. Fran March 12th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Thanks Mel. I would expect the Yankees to do the same thing.

    Don’t know if anyone said this but this morning on WFAN Sweeny said that this Billy Crystal “signing” was Derek’s idea. He met Crystal on vacaiton in the off season and they were talking about it and Derek proposed it.

  246. Patrick March 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    rbizzler, in football it is legal to lead with your shoulder but illegal to lead with your helmet. The play at the plate, Johnson led with his shoulder.

  247. mel March 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Good ole Timlin giving up a homerun. Too bad no one was on base.

  248. Blargh March 12th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    And if Cobb-style isn’t old-fashioned hard nose, then what is?

  249. Bryan March 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    All you Sally’s need to grow up

  250. JetRod March 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Random unimportant fact of the day:

    The Yankees spring training home from 1925-1937 was Al Lang field, the current spring home of the Rays.

  251. Scorpio March 12th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Shelley’s a big boy from a strong baseball family, he knew what he was doing and what the aftermath would be. That’s one thing Clemens & Big Unit were good at: protecting their players. I’m so sick & tired of all the hypocrisy and “objectivity” on ESPN and all the sports pundits when it comes to the Yankees. Let them say whatever they want.

  252. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    No punches were thrown…

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3289751

  253. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Picture of Gomes attacking Duncan (from Newsday):

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....6678.story

  254. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    What’s a Sally?

  255. Clay Bellinger March 12th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    How can people say it is OK to go in spikes up? It’s a dirty play, plain and simple. Even if what the Rays did was wrong originally, no reason to go WAY above and beyond that. I love it personally, but let’s not kid ourselves and say it was clean. This is after we hit one of their batter’s, it should have ended there.

  256. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    it took 3 guys to take Shelley down :lol:

  257. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    3 against 1 are they taking lessons from teh soxs?

  258. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Rays just made 7 defensive substitutions. I wonder if there’s gonna be a fight in the parking lot?

  259. Say it ain't so March 12th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Clay Bellinger- I agree 100%.

    On the picture of Gomes and Shelley. Uh, did Gomes trip?

  260. Blargh March 12th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Clay Bellinger: Dirty or not, it’s Hall of Fame approved!

  261. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Here’s the Cervelli play, FWIW.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5mrg_AUgE8

  262. Yankfan7880 March 12th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    You get us once, we’ll get you twice……

  263. no.27 March 12th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Running hard into a catcher blocking the plate is a baseball play. It does not result in getting thrown out of a game.

    (Have not seen the play yet, but this is what I’ve heard) Sliding into 2nd base after the play is clearly over with your spikes up and no double play to break up is not a baseball play. It does result in getting thrown out of a game.

    They are not the same thing.

    Most importantly, what is going on with Andy? Tendinitis in the elbow is terrible news. I really hope this isn’t going to affect him all season. He was amazing for the Yankees down the stretch last year and he is going to be our most important starter on our super young rotation.

  264. JetRod March 12th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....otogallery

    Check out the caption on Image 2.

    Apparently Billy is in need of a pair of skates…

  265. Hendo March 12th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    why couldn’t BIlly Crystal have been playing today?!

  266. 89 March 12th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Can’t we just peg Manny Ramirez instead?

    Forget the D-Rays… That NEEDS to be done.

  267. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Yankees are up 3 to 2 in the top of the 6th…

  268. 89 March 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Also,

    I watched the Elliot Johnson/Cervelli play on YouTube.

    That was a cheap shot. Before watching the video, I thought “hey, it’s just a fringe guy trying to make a ballclub’. But he would have been way better off sliding regularly into the plate — he would have been safe easily!

    Cervelli wasn’t up the line blocking the plate… he left himself very vulnerable and Johnson took the physical route.

  269. Motown Yankees Fan March 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Wow – reading the ESPN, Newsday and Pete’s entry contrast the coverage and perhaps reveal some bias (!). Pete says Longoria was “barely brushed.” Newsday says the pitch “appeared to graze.” ESPN (cited above by Mel at 3:04) simply says “hit.” Bias or sloppy reporting on the part of ESPN, I don’t know, but I choose to believe Pete.

    I’m going to say Shelley was too overzealous, Gomes is a goon and Red Sox fans should be thankful the Rays have a new enemy to hate on.

  270. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    It looks like Bartlett’s trying to hold Gomes back. Wasn’t he with the Twins? Aybar’s new, too.

    Baldelli’s out for a while, too.

  271. ItalianGreco March 12th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    I say we sign Giuseppe Franco and Gary Busey and let them fight the Rays. Then him and Giuseppe can hug and give proceed to all the balding rays players.

  272. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Soapter – what happened? Gameday is only updating at the end of each inning.

  273. Fran March 12th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Soapter- thanks for the score update. We all kind of forgot about the game being played.

  274. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    SOAPTER – 3-2 in the top of the 6th. You know that how?

  275. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Motown,

    You caught that, too? “Hit in the midsection” doesn’t equal “brushed on the chest”.

  276. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Can’t wait to hear the audio from today.

  277. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Not sure what happened but I went on yahoo sports and it said that the Yankees were up 3 to 2…

  278. Bryan March 12th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    sally = a wuss… Tampa deserved it.. this is sports not chess

  279. raymagnetic â„¢ March 12th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    “Here’s the Cervelli play, FWIW.”

    Okay, after watching the video clip although it was a legitimate baseball play I think it was a bit uncalled for. When you consider that it is a spring training game the runner (Johnson) had to realize that plowing into Cervilli like that could lead to one of them being seriously injured.

  280. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Gameday just refreshed with the new score…

  281. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    HipHipJorge! Ah, revenge is best served with a bases-clearing double.

  282. YankeeDiva March 12th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    just came in to get a peek at the score while I was at work…. guess ‘camp quiet’ is over uh? lol!

  283. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Inning over so Gameday just updated: Posada doubled with bases loaded, driving everyone home. No word whether anyone ran over the catcher though.

  284. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Well we might have gained something from this. Phillips stock just rose. I know one team that would love to have him. Call the white sox and ozzie guillen and try to get bullpen help for him. Ozzie loves pitchers who retaliate and doesnt have enough of them.

  285. Motown Yankees Fan March 12th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Gameday has caught up. Jorge hit a bases loaded double, driving in all three runs.

  286. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Bryan,

    lol. thanks.

  287. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Thanks Soapter! By the way, I wondered if Andy really had an inflamed elbow or whether Girardi thought there might be an inflamed situation with TB and thought better of putting Andy out there…

  288. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Posada cleared the bases with a double. 3-2 Yankees, bottom of the 6th.

    Cano, Abreu and Posada were all taken out in the 6th. AAA game now.

    Except for the Rays. This is their season!!! Blood and guts baby! That’s the Tampa motto this season.

  289. Andrea - anti-anti March 12th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    It’s a little disappointing that anyone decided to retaliate. Phillips could have accidentally pitched inside. Not seeing it, you never know. But it’s ST. They should have let it go. I wonder how Girardi feels about it.

  290. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    :)

    Jorge.

  291. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    -Inning over so Gameday just updated: Posada doubled with bases loaded, driving everyone home. No word whether anyone ran over the catcher though.-

    oh Lori :lol:

  292. Jax March 12th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Wasn’t Greg Zaun blocking the plate yesterday on a play and Molina went around him? So catchers do block the plate in ST.

  293. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    trisha,

    Andy had it after Sunday’s bullpen session. I don’t think it was a ruse. They could’ve just retaliated later in the game after Andy was removed.

  294. Drew March 12th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    There’s nothing clean about this
    http://www.newsday.com/media/p.....681893.jpg

  295. Majambo March 12th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Hey, I know it was probably an overreaction with the slide but the punks had it coming. If it means nothing more than other teams looking at Girardi’s Yankees as something more than the “corporate, I don’t get my hands dirty team” of the past 7 years then good for us. Remember Pedro drilling Jeter and knocking him out of the game and we did nothing, if I recall correctly? New team, new attitude. I LIKE it!
    Majambo has spoken.

  296. Yazman March 12th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Early in high school I had some pretty tough friends who advised me “never fight with those guys … they have nothing to lose. They can end up with two broken arms and not care — they’ll just be happy to break one of yours.”

    Goons in hockey will attack star skaters. And non-contending baseball teams will fight potential champions, all with nothing to lose.

    The Yankees should steer clear. And for gosh sakes, by all accounts the igniting event was a legal play by an overzealous nobody who saw a blocked plate in ST.

    Let’s please drop it.

  297. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    I sorry – is it wrong to laugh when you see that pic?

  298. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    One more thing we’ve learned today. Peter is a Red Sox fan. He doesnt want the Yanks to start retaliating to all the hbp that we recieve year in year out from boston. Its o.k. Pete Papis safe for now. Ill still keep blogging here pete even after finding out this disturbing news.

  299. mommy March 12th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Whoa, that pic of Duncan’s foot…his shoe is as big as the length of Iwamuri’s thigh!

  300. karebear March 12th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Damn, what size shoes does Shelley wear? Those are some FEET.

  301. Yankee Jay March 12th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    I like the new attitude. For years I have been scratching my head as to why the Yanks were so passive. Jeters gets pegged…nothing. Pedro sends two guys to the hospital…nothing. I never understood Torre, didn’t he catch for Bob Gibson who would take your head off if you swung too hard at a pitch?

  302. GabeP March 12th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    For all you “hardball” lovers – what if it’s a play at first base? The pitcher covers the bag – and the runner gets there at the same time. The batter has a right to the base line – should he run the pitcher over?

    What if the pitcher is Santana or Beckett – and the hard nosed rookie trying to make the team runs him over(in a Spring Training game no less!) What if your All Star pitcher is lost for 2 months? Do you feel the same way?

  303. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Rishi,

    Doesn’t look like his eyes were in any danger, does it?

  304. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    hmmm….

    atill not up to the face

  305. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Mel – you’re rigtht. Maybe it was more wishful thinking regarding Andy’s elbow. I really don’t have a strong opinion one way or the other on the Cervelli play, though I am leaning more toward Girardi’s side only because of the injury. However, I think Maddon could have done a lot to diffuse it by saying something Joe Torre would have said, even giving a little to the “I understand how they’re feeling, but…” I didn’t read anything that said that. If he did, then Girardi probably should have let it go. If he did say something, I don’t think it made sense for the Yanks to retaliate. But Girardi probably felt he was in a position where he had to make some kind of stand for his players.

  306. Brandon (Proud supporter of "Alex being Alex" ) (I slay the Anti) March 12th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    I meant that’s still not up to his face and he has a cup on, unless he’s stupid

  307. G. Love March 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Pete,

    The 97 wins are great. We’ve had great teams of late.

    However, some of the recent teams have lacked intangibles that teams like Boston get praised for over the past few years. A toughness and a sense of team unity.

    To a fan, at times, we’ve looked like the corporate Yankees. A bunch of guys who are highly paid for doing their jobs professionally.

    That’s all well and good, but when the season is on the line and they fail in the post season, you look for reasons.

    Over the past few years, it’s always seemed like the teams we face in the playoffs are tighter knit than our own team.
    They have a team identity, rather than individual identity.

    I don’t think I’m alone in thinking this, as a fan.

    Torre in his later years advocated a turn the other cheek attitude to this stuff. He didn’t want to fuel a fire since he prided himself on being able to douse them.

    But fire could be one of things the teams have been lacking.

    Our guys would get drilled consistently by the same teams and we rarely backed them up.

    I don’t know much about athletes, but I know people. If my mother in law constantly throws at my head and my wife doesn’t knock her on her butt for it, it doesn’t feel great. It wears on you.

    I can imagine that if guys on the Yankees feel they’ve been neutered a bit over the years and Girardi is giving them their (fill in the blank, I know it’s a family blog) back, it’s going to send a message to the team and to the rest of the league that these aren’t the turn the other cheeck 25 guys in 25 cabs Yankees of the past few years.

    I know it seems like I’m advocating stupidity and thuggishness, but I don’t see what’s so bad about Shelley sending a message in a spring training game that it’s not same old Yankees who are above taking it to the street.

    I mean, the game didn’t turn into THE WARRIORS or anything. I don’t think the Baseball Furies made an appearance.

  308. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    not at all, eyes looked safe to me

  309. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Did Peter describe it as Duncan put his spikes up to his face or head? Cause i dont see face,but i do see why he would be close to taking out his….

  310. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Actually, goons don’t attack star players in hockey. They fight other goons.

    Its hockey taboo to have a goon take out a star.

    Really, some folks need to get relax. If you don’t do something, then you let a team like Tampa, and the other teams, do whatever they want with you.

    We saw it for years when Yankee hitters would get nailed and it would go unpunished. I’m surprised guys like Arod and Jeter took it for as long as they did without getting in their pitchers faces.

    We saw it curtailed dramatically after Joba sailed a few pitches over Youkilis’ head. IIRC, the Red Sox didn’t even retaliate.

    You don’t run a catcher in ST. You especially don’t do it and then brag about it, as Maddon did, after the kid is out for 10 weeks with a broken wrist. Its a bush league play.

    Yogi Berra and Joe Girardi have over 20 years experience catching in the big leagues. Neither guy has ever been run at in a ST game.

    Its not a common play.

    If you want to play that way, then expect teams (in this case, the Yankees) not to like it.

    If Maddon wants to play blood and guts baseball in March, its his choice. It cuts both ways.

    After the game, he should just shut up and get his team ready to play. He better not cry about the slide.

    If Shelley gets suspended, it isn’t a big deal. If this crap stops now, the suspension is well worth it.

  311. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    The worst part is how the media will paint this as Girardi failing his first major test.

    As long as we’re the last ones standing at the end of the season, it’s okay.

  312. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    I got more irritiated after the “sure we can talk about wine and politics” garbage – it was a hard hit, maybe a fair one, but to be so flip about it crosses the line.

  313. Mehdi thinks Bostondirtdogs are scum March 12th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    That foot is too high. Duncan was out of line there. I like that he’s fired up and wants to help out his team mates but that’s a bit over the line.

  314. Joe March 12th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    After that slide Shelley could be a new spokesman for birth control.

  315. rob March 12th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    gary busey would take everyone down!

  316. joshn728 March 12th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    GO SHELLY DUNCAN!

  317. The J Train March 12th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    looks like he was going for Iwamura’s yang. Luckily for Iwamura he….never mind

  318. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Okay, I love Shelley, but that’s dirty.

  319. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    I was just going to ask what’s happening. Nothing good.

    Henn’s in. Walk, K, single, single, K, K.

    It worked out, but I’m finding it really difficult to picture Henn on this team.

  320. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Sean Henn – loads the bases and then strikes 2 out…the loading the bases part: not so good; the strike outs: good stuff (still 3-2 going into the 7th)

  321. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Typical Sean Henn inning. Leadoff walk (wouldn’t be a Sean Henn inning without a leadoff walk), two singles, then strikes out the side. No runs allowed! lol

    He’s got a great arm. Its too bad he needs a GPS System to find the strikezone.

  322. The J Train March 12th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    “Look, Im Giuseppe Franco, Im not going to put my name on a product that doesnt work”

    I wonder if Guiseppe Franco dyes his own hair or has one of his world renown stylists hook him up. I really need to know this.

  323. Motown Yankees Fan March 12th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    So Sean Henn struck out the side. Of course two of the strike outs came with the bases loaded.

  324. Deep to Left March 12th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    I just landed some tickets yesterday on Ticketmaster to the Tampa game this Saturday. Suddenly this seems like a great move!

    Big weekend – I fly down from Albany Saturday morning… Yanks-Tampa Saturday afternoon… Rangers-Lightning Saturday evening… Yanks-Cleveland Sunday afternoon… and a round of golf Monday morning before flying back to home that evening.

    And I imagine I’ll need to check into the Betty Ford Clinic on Tuesday. :)

  325. ItalianGreco March 12th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    LOL J-Train

  326. PJH March 12th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Shelly is just a great role model. He is showing young ball players why a cup is necessary for baseball.

  327. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Mel – Oh right – the game. I’m busy looking for other pictures. Pete seemed to describe Shelley’s leg much higher than in the photo from newsday. Maybe this shot was taken after he bent it. The ones of Gomes tackling Shelley are too funny though. Looks like Gomes tripped over the bag on his way in.

  328. Paul March 12th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    So how is this incident supposed to ‘scare’ off other teams from trying to score on a Yankees catcher blocking the plate? An idiot embarrasses himself by sliding spikes high on a 2nd baseman doesn’t worry anyone. It isn’t protecting anyone, just making the organization and Girardi look like fools.

    Girardi should beat MLB to the punch and suspend Duncan himself if it looks like Pete describes it. Playing too hard in spring training is one thing. Throwing cheap shots on opposing players in another.

  329. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    looks like he was going for Iwamura’s yang. Luckily for Iwamura he….never mind

    If he didnt believe this is a game of inches. After today im sure iwa does. After almost becoming wangless.

  330. ian March 12th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Did Gomes actually tackle Duncan? From the pictures it looks like Gomes ran at Duncan, awkwardly tripped, and nobody hit the ground.

  331. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Lori,

    Doesn’t it look like Bartlett’s grabbing at Gomes?

  332. CB March 12th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Henn has another bad outing. He got out of it but remember – he was facing basically minor leaguers out there at this point.

    Sean Henn walks the lead off hitter who though talented, is a rookie.

    How do you do that? He gets out of it against a career minor leaguer and journeyman.

    He has no options – doesn’t matter – he’s the same henn as last year.

  333. PJH March 12th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    SJ44-
    Goons in hockey take out stars.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Ix_qWmZW54

  334. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    mel – it sure does. But you need to check out the full gallery that newsday posted.

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....ry?index=2

    The second one with the entire team holding back Gomes and Duncan standing on his own is priceless. :lol:

  335. The J Train March 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    ItalianGreco…seriously, thats guy has the worst dye job ever. I mean, its not that it has patches or anything, its just that the guy has to be about 50 years old and his hair is jet black without a touch of grey whatsoever. Its the balckest hair Ive ever seen. Its so black that crayola should come out with a new crayon thats even darker than their current black and name the color Guiseppe Franco’s dye job.

  336. Yankee Jay March 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    SJ44

    I couldn’t agree more. For years the Yanks just sat back and let people push them around.

    Not anymore!

    I love the message they are sending. “We are going to protect our players.” It’s long overdue.

  337. yankee21 March 12th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    A couple of points if I may…

    1. There is a marked change in attitude on these Yankees, not sure if you can attribute it all to the way Girardi goes about doing things or the combination of youth & talent roaming about, but there is a level of excitement and expectation around the team few could ignore.
    2. This attitude comes across in the way they play, and the way they react(note today). TB is the first team to see this, the rest of the ML will see it soon enough.
    3. Got to be impressed with the pitchers,, so far, some how, the idea of throwing strikes and going after hitters instead of pitching scared, has sunk in.

  338. Say it ain't so March 12th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Well anyway, it’s great to see Jorge getting the rbi double. He’s been struggling for hits and they’ve been robbing him so hopefully this one wakes him up.

  339. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    It’s now tied in the bottom of the 7th 3 – 3. RONNIE MERRILL HIT A HOME RUN OFF DAN GIESE.

  340. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Gameday taking awhile, so hopefully that means we’re scoring.

  341. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    You aren’t going to try and sell Zubris as a star are you?

    Do you remember that game? That was a cheap shot game from both sides.

    Yet, IIRC, Orr didn’t go after Ovechkin.

    I played hockey my entire life. The “code” was simple. Goons fight goons. You go after a star player with a cheap shot, expect the benches to empty.

  342. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Who’s Dan Giese?

  343. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Soapter,

    Ugh.

    Thanks. How are you following?

  344. Scorpio March 12th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Will Gomes should get suspended too? looks like he lunged at Shelley.

  345. Russell NY March 12th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Good. Screw the Rays.

  346. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Not to change the subject but I need to say that I just can’t wait for those braggart bastard Red Sux to have to start the season in Japan. Nothing could make me happier – except of course seeing Beckett have to leave a game with back spasms. I live in RI so there is no team I hate more than the Sux. In NY I’m thinking that for it’s a tie between the Sux and the Mets? Sux in first place at the end of the season? Yeh.

  347. Say it ain't so March 12th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Looks more like Gomes tripped over the base, but that’s just me.

  348. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    I don’t see Dan Giese on the list of available pitchers (though Pavano is there)

  349. The J Train March 12th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    dan giese? as in the great dan giese? surely youre joking, there is no way he gave up a hit, let alone a home run

  350. anti-mussina March 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    yeah, actually goons in hockey rough up the other team’s star player.

  351. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    From the Yankees.com article:

    “I just think [Duncan] tried to inflict pain on Aki,” Gomes said. “That just comes second nature. I was taught all the way from T-ball to have a teammate’s back.

    “It’s a baseball field. There’s fans and kids watching. I had to let [Duncan] know that’s not going to fly.”

    Iwamura told reporters he suffered a small cut above his right knee in the incident.

  352. Travis G. March 12th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    ‘Shelley was just trying hard to make the team! It was instinct!’

    That excuse seemed to fly for Tampa…

  353. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    I’m following on yahoo sports… it’s not great but as least it updates more than gameday.

  354. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    I’m with SJ on the hockey bit, my cousin coaches a youth team down in Florida.

    Goons fight goons. Some fight stars, but it’s dirty and taboo.

  355. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    It’s now 4-3 Rays in the bottom of the 7th.

  356. Say it ain't so March 12th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    “There’s fans and kids watching.” Oh Gomes, shut up. If you cared about the kids watching, you wouldn’t have retaliated like a 4th grader.

  357. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    weird that we didn’t get top of the 7th updates…

  358. The J Train March 12th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    do people truly care about this incident? seriously, nobody got hurt, its no big deal. Save the drama for yo mama.

  359. mel March 12th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Same in the NBA. You won’t see flagrant fouls committed very often against the Superstars.

  360. desti(NY) 2008 March 12th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Travis G. -

    Let’s see what Joe Maddon’s hypocritical statement will be.
    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

  361. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 12th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    There are kids watching so you start a fight?

  362. jk March 12th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Rays cry foul………..

    http://www.tboblogs.com/index......out-dirty/

  363. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Henn’s pitching, what else do you expect?

  364. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    I think we all better get used to the fact that we don’t have Torre any more (good, on a lot of levels) and we’re going to see a different managing style in Girardi. So rather than spin out about everything he does or doesn’t do, we need to just sit calmly and get a pulse on who he is. Then we’ll know what kind of style to depend on. Lots of teams retaliate. Because we haven’t been that kind, and by the way we’ve taken a lot of fan criticism for it, doesn’t mean we won’t become that kind. Whatever.

  365. Paul March 12th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Desti, I get the feeling that if Duncan had gone out after the pitcher with a baseball bat, you’d be applauding him for his “hardball” play. Everyone else would be applauding his actions as showing the league no one can mess with us.

    There’s hardball plays, and there’s cheapshots. Big difference between the two.

  366. AndrewYF March 12th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Pretty telling comment from Percival:

    “It’s not typical of them, that’s for sure,” said Percival. “They’ve always been a professional organization. They’ve always played hard and they’ve always played smart. I won’t say that about today’s game.”

    Hmm, so now, if you screw with the Yankees, instead of being ‘professional’, they’ll take out your players. Good to see the word getting around. People have been used to the Yankees ‘professionalism’ allowing other teams to do whatever they want. See: Toronto throwing at A-Rod…TWICE. A-Rod was out with an injury for the next few days. Doubt that kind of stuff happens when other players know they’re in for a world of retaliatory trouble.

  367. Annie Savoy March 12th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    What has happened to the Yankees? I doubt that Girardi is behind the high spikes today and Billy Crystal tomorrow. Is Cashman the instigator of all this???

    They used to be an elegant, by the book team. Now they are street fighters and a celebrity showcase.

  368. Motown Yankees Fan March 12th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Wow, that article jk links to? Now who’s overreacting?

    Somehow, Yankees score two in the top of the 8th

  369. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Ys leadcing 5-4.

    :) :) :)

  370. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Yankees are back up 5 to 4 in the top of the 8th…

  371. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Sorry for the typos. Trying to type while I’m on my treadmill. Not easy!

  372. William Buckner March 12th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Count me in the SJ 44 camp. I’ll never forget when Pedro hit Sori and Jeter to lead off a game and they both left in an ambulance. Those days seem done or at least if it does happen – someone gets drilled in the back.

  373. Jon March 12th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    “# Travis G. March 12th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    ‘Shelley was just trying hard to make the team! It was instinct!’

    That excuse seemed to fly for Tampa…”

    Travis G. – you’re clueless.

  374. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Anyone know how we did it?

  375. mel March 12th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Wow. Rays got a lot vets. Hinske’s down there, too. Don’t know who’s got contracts, but there’s quite a few vets in the game today.

  376. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    I suspect we will hear a lot of crying over the slide.

    They can take it up with Selig. Send Shelley to bed without his supper for a few days.

    If he gets suspended, so what? Its not like its going to be out for long.

    We were told on Saturday by Joe Maddon that you are supposed to play the game aggressively at all times. Even in March.

    Sometimes, when you play aggressively, you go over the line. It happens. Or so we were told on Saturday.

    I don’t see Iwamura with a full leg cast, out of action for 10 weeks, like Cervelli. Let’s not overplay the slide. I am sure Iwamura will survive.

  377. Scott March 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    I’d like to see the Duncan spike play in full motion. Something tells me his leg bounced that high and not on purpose. I bet watching at full speed we will see him trying to spike him in the shin and his leg bounce up during the slide over the bag.

    To the guy who wrote:
    What if the pitcher is Santana or Beckett – and the hard nosed rookie trying to make the team runs him over(in a Spring Training game no less!) What if your All Star pitcher is lost for 2 months? Do you feel the same way?

    It was Tampa Bay’s decision to play this way in Spring Training. They are the ones who decided Spring Training was a good time for “old fashioned, hard nosed baseball”. If you don’t see that there is no use discussing it further with you.

  378. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    soapter/Trisha How?

  379. Yankee Jay March 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    AndrewYF

    My thoughts exactly. Quit crying Troy, Iwamura has a little cut, meanwhile the Yankee kid is having surgery and is out for 10 weeks.

  380. Motown Yankees Fan March 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    I got the score update from the Yahoo scoreboard. It’s low budget, with minimum details (score, homeruns, current inning)

  381. mel March 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    For those who have Gameday, check out Josh Paul’s pix. Kinda reminds you of Peter Sellers when his fake moostash wasn’t sticking. Who else misses Peter Sellers?

  382. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    thanks for the update, pete…

  383. JT March 12th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Johnny Gomes: “It was premeditated on his part. … I know it’s not the Yankee way. You rarely see the Yankees do stuff like that.”

    No more staying on our knees and take it in the ###…

  384. Motown Yankees Fan March 12th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Mel – exactly. very Peter Sellers.

  385. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Thanks for the quotes Pete. Did anyone ask Gomes whether he premeditated that hit on Shelley or was it just a trip as he hovered too close to 2nd base?

  386. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    It’s 6 to 4 Yanks

  387. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Iwamura has a cut on his leg. Cervelli has a full arm cast, needs surgery, and is out 10 weeks.

    The Rays should just shut up and play baseball.

    They don’t like the play? Go whine to Bud Selig.

    We were told by the “great” Joe Maddon on Saturday that, regardless of the date on the calendar, you have to play the game aggressively.

    Sometimes, when you play aggressively, you go over the line. If Duncan went over the line today, that’s Joe Maddon Baseball. He should love it.

    They don’t like it? Think its not the “Yankee Way”? Well, they can do something about it.

    Or, they can just shut up, play baseball the right way and they won’t have to worry about something like that happening again.

  388. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Well, now it is 6-4 in the top of the 8th – and we must still be batting bc no update on Gameday.

  389. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Okay I have to admit ambivalence here. Unfortunately you may see me do that a lot. I don’t know if it’s my damned legal training where suddenly you see all sides of an issue or if it’s because I’ve always had a soft spot for Tampa Bay. I think I’m saying I don’t blame either side. For one, Maddon is playing with a team that has never gotten any respect. These kids are finally making their mark, and they are making their presence felt, and that has to be nothing but good for them, especially the Carl Crawfords of the world who are tremendous players but get left in the dust because the rest of the team isn’t so great. These kids are feeling their oats and they are going to continue to play hard. Maddon has to support that. He needs to see these kids feel good about themselves and about the game. Finally. That said, I don’t blame Girardi either for retaliating on a play that took someone out for 10 weeks. So I say, let’s put it behind us and just play ball.

  390. Yankee Jay March 12th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    When did baseball payers become such a bunch of crybabies?
    Retalliation used to be expected. Bob Gibson and Nolan Ryan would throw at your head if you got too close to the plate or took a big hack. If one team hit a player, it basically guaranteed that one of your guys was going to get drilled. It wasn’t dirty, it was hardball.

    Now it’s a national story when someone slides hard into 2nd base.

  391. Motown Yankees Fan March 12th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Maybe it’s good we get this out during spring training, so that when the regular season starts, the nonsense stops, A-rod and Derek stop getting hit, other teams know the Yankees are serious about not putting up with that garbage. Plus Shelley will be in the dugout should the need arise.

  392. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    6-4 per Yahoo – still no idea how though

  393. mel March 12th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Lori,

    The crime lab computer simulation shows that Jonny Gomes could’ve avoided the bag, but chose to trip over it. The computer doesn’t give motive, but it seems like Gomes wanted to look like a hardass, but wanted to avoid suspension by not going in as hard.

    Just kidding. I would hope that our guys would do the same.

  394. Motown Yankees Fan March 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    “Now it’s a national story when someone slides hard into 2nd base.”

    But only when there are Yankees on the field, unfortunately.

  395. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Gaemday updating now . . .

  396. Josh March 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    heres a picture.. everyone can make their own conclusions

    http://www.newsday.com/media/p.....681893.jpg

    looks a bit ridiculous to me

  397. Joe March 12th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    I can see Maddon giving a go get-em’ speech before the bottom of the 8th, because if the Yankees win they’ll be a half-game behind Tampa in the all important Spring Training standings. Of course, if Tampa comes back and wins the game, their magic number for the vaunted Grapefruit League title goes down again, plus they’ll gain tons of momentum for the rest of March. My prediction, If Tampa loses, they’ll hold a team meeting and possibly make a trade. These games are important.

  398. mel March 12th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Josh,

    That’s the 3rd or 4th time we’ve seen Iwa’s “Oh crap!” expression. lol.

  399. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Looks like Gardner singled in two, stole second and then . . .

  400. bummy March 12th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    This is ridiculous. There should have been no retaliation, save it for the season. This is the worst type of drama, a bunch of little cry babies, the only difference is they have the media to put all their problems out there. Yankees, Devil Rays, save it for the season when it actually matters.

    It is funny how the Rays are crying now though.

  401. Jeff NJ March 12th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Holy crap, who else would pay for a Pay Per View matchup between Shelley Duncan and Johny Gomes. Shelley, you need an agent? Let’s get you paid!

  402. The J Train March 12th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    I think its more of a “HAI!!!!” than an “oh crap” expression

  403. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Well it didn’t take long. This from another baseball forum, part of a post written by a Red Sox fan: “Some murmurings that Pettitte was kept out of the start so that HEATH PHILLIPS could be the sacrificial lamb, getting tossed for his attack on Longoria.”

  404. Say it ain't so March 12th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Pete, any update on how Stump Merrill’s doing?

  405. mel March 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    trisha,

    As if there’s some rule that the plunk has to come in the first inning.

  406. Motown Yankees Fan March 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Gardner stole second, stole third and scored when the pitcher made a throwing error. Wow.

  407. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Man i think i jinxed Ensburg today. o for 3 with 2ks. Brett Gardner is another one im impressed with. He brings a ton of energy and blazing speed. Something we might need in a tight game.

  408. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    . . . Gardner stole 3rd on an Anson strikeout and scored on a bad throw by the catcher.

  409. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Oops. Score tied 6-6.

  410. soapter March 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    It’s 6 – 6 bottom of the 8th…

  411. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Girardi small ball. Bunt single by Castro. Walk by Christian. Sac bunt by Gonzalez (Girardi seems to be playing this game to win! lol), then Gardner singles to drive in 2 runs.

    Gardner then steals second base. Matsui walks, and is replaced by Nick Green.

    Kyle Anson K’s (2 outs).

    Gardner tries to steal third, Josh Paul throws the ball away, and Gardner scores. 6-4 Yankees.

    Betemit K’s to end the inning.

    Not for anything but, if you don’t think the Yankees aren’t trying to win this game, look at how they played this inning.

    Its why I said, no matter what they say publicly, they aren’t broken up over what transpired today.

  412. saucY March 12th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    sorry if it was posted already, but was there ever an explanation for the meachum and long ejections?

  413. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    And then TB ties it in the bottom of the inning. Again, no idea how yet.

  414. mel March 12th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Britton & Veras have yet to pitch…

  415. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 12th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    I really cant believe this is dragging on like this. who cares, its spring training….if allen iverson was a baseball player on the yankees he’d be saying “Spring training? We’re talking about Spring Training”

  416. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Mel, the guy in question (Sux fan/avid Yankee hater) is a trouble maker. But usually when he posts something there’s a grain of truth to it, meaning I’m sure he did hear it somewhere. He’s not bright enough to have thought of it himself, if you know what I mean.

  417. mel March 12th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    My guess would be Britton’s on the mound thinking that Veras would close it out in the 9th.

  418. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Well, I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t an interesting day…

  419. mel March 12th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    trisha,

    But that would mean they planned it from Sunday. Andy complained after his bp session that day. You don’t fool around with rumors about elbow problems. It’d send the Yankee fandom into a panic for nothing.

  420. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    7-6

  421. Pete March 12th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    So, to review: coming into home plate head down, shoulder up to a catcher’s chest like you’re trying to flatten the guy ISN’T ridiculous in Spring Training, but sliding hard into second is? Sorry, Rays – you can’t have it both ways.

    Besides, nothing gets your point across like a cleat to the pills.

  422. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    No matter what happens the rest of the day, its pretty clear these are no longer Joe Torre’s Yankees.

    Whether folks like what happened today, why it happened, or whatever, its pretty clear the Yankees are going to handle these things differently than they have in the past few years.

    Now, different may not be better (I happen to think it will be) but, I am glad we are seeing some accountability for the actions of the opposition.

  423. Say it ain't so March 12th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    They wouldn’t mess with Andy’s preperation just so they could retaliate against the D Rays.

  424. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Can bettimet play himself off the roster?.174?

  425. SP March 12th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    7-6 Tampa

    Albaladejo pitching

  426. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Mel, all I mean is that when he said there were rumblings, he probably didn’t make that up.

    While we would like to win this game I’m sure, you can be sure that it’s all in the fates of “whatever happens happens”. We’re definitely playing our A team at this point. Same with TB. I have to kind of smile when I read the updates because I haven’t heard of half of the players who are scoring runs for us!

  427. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    looks like Albaladejo pitched the 8th.

  428. KarenJ March 12th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Going in with spikes high is even dirtier than a roll-block into the 2B/SS. And a LOT more filthy a play than a shoulder knocking over the catcher IN THE BASEPATH AT HP with the catcher blocking.

    I’m sorry you fanatics here can’t see that, but the first is dirty, the second is not.

    PJH said March 12th, 2008 at 2:34 pm: “You have make players think twice before plowing Jorge.” That’s why Jorge doesn’t block the plate. He doesn’t want to get hurt. Maybe he should mentor Cervelli about the proper YANKEE way to play the position…

  429. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    SJ, re: the new Yankees and accountability, I have to agree with everything you said in your post. And anyone who doesn’t think that Shelly Duncan is a beast hasn’t been watching him. The guy is great, he’s a great teammate, and I’d say he’s made the team already.

  430. Clay Bellinger March 12th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Has anyone seen a quote from Billy Crystal on this? He is part of the team now.. 60 or not he needs to have our backs.

  431. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    They didn’t scratch Pettitte for this stuff. You don’t mess with your starters to play payback.

    That’s just Red Sox paranoia.

    Agree re: Albie Pete. Today is the day he pitched himself to Scranton.

    This was not the game to spit up the lead.

    That leaves us with Bruney, Britton, Ohlendorf, Patterson and Veras fighting for the last spot on the pitching staff.

  432. JimmyH March 12th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Just got home, heard the news.
    Love Joe Girardi.
    Let all teams take note, the Yankees will no longer let fastballs at the legs and wrists of Yankee players go by.

  433. mel March 12th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    trisha,

    Gotcha.

    single, walk, double, sac bunt, ground out, double, K.

    7-6 Tampa.

  434. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Single walk double – 2 in for TB.
    bunt sac ground out double – 1 more in for TB
    K

  435. Jimmy 27 March 12th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Caller to ESPN just said “Posada never blocked the plate in his life”
    Don LaGreca wholeheartely agreed. NOT TRUE
    Jorge may have been a little skittish EARLY in his career – but no more – he took a shot last year that would have put many guys out. The runner was out. I think it was an important game, anyone remember the game???.

  436. KarenJ March 12th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    The picture I just saw over at the Daily News showed Duncan’s left foot spikes high right in Iwamura’s groin. I suppose you warriors here think it’d be “just deserts” for the Cervelli incident if Duncan managed to castrate Iwamura…

  437. JohnnyC March 12th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    LaGreca knows nothing about baseball. After all, he’s a Mets fan. Nuff said.

  438. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    I’ve seen Posada block the plate on many occasions, one in particular last season that left him kind of stunned for two or three days.

  439. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    game over; 7-6 final

  440. AndrewYF March 12th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Jesus christ, Cervelli was not blocking the plate. You see how every other player slides into home? That’s how it should be done. I dare you to find another situation in spring training where the catcher was bowled over – oh wait, it was by the Devil Rays, against Houston catcher Humberto Quintero. Sounds like the dumb dirty team is Tampa. Bowling over catchers running at full bore is plenty more dangerous than sliding spikes at the thigh. These aren’t track spikes, they’re baseball cleats.

  441. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    It was a Boston game where Hinske bowled into Posada. But the Yanks ended up losing it by something big.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09.....nted=print

  442. Pete March 12th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    KarenJ – there’s a right way and a wrong way to try and knock a ball out of a catcher’s mitt at home plate. We were taught that in Little League, for crying out loud. When a player goes in like a football blocker with his shoulder out, he’t trying to knock a guy to next week. It’s JUST as bad as going into second with spikes high. I don’t applaud what went on today – I just agree that it HAD to be done.

    BTW – I don’t think that one of Posada’s defensive deficiencies should be looked at as a “plus”.

  443. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    I’m not defending Duncan but I’m not killing him off either. I trust that Girardi did not tell Duncan to slide in with his spikes high. Duncan made the decision to have Cervelli’s back. So be it.

  444. UtilityMan March 12th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Jimmy 27

    Texas Rangers game possibly…no positive
    I remember one time Posada held a ball with two fingers to show the runner he had held on to the ball…different game then the one you are thinking of though.

  445. JANE March 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    wasn’t that a game vs. the red sox? as I recall, the runner apologized for the hard hit and everything was cool. If only Maddon or Johnson had at least asked for Cervelli or said they were sorry he was hurt that badly it may have gone a long way in calming down the anger,jmo.

  446. saucY March 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    by the way, i’ve heard a lot of people say cervelli blocked the plate. it really doesn’t look that way on the youtube clip someone posted. he was still standing and catching the throw.

  447. WangFan88 March 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    I like that Shelly Duncan guy.

  448. Bronxbyte March 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Betemit may prove me wrong in the next 2 weeks but I just don’t see him as a fit on this Yankee team.
    He can’t possibly impress Joe Girardi with his lack of passion up to this point.

  449. Tiki March 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    I believe it was Hinske that knocked over Jorge last year — and he came back to check on him/apologize because he was a football palyer

  450. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Yeah, not a good day for Albie to be doing that stuff.

  451. UtilityMan March 12th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Yes!!!! Good job Lori

  452. Travis G. March 12th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    yeah, it was against Boston, then in 06 Tex ran him over. he’s definitely improved in that area.

  453. BPT March 12th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Yes network forums have a pretty good still shot — looks to be left (not right as reported in blog) spike high in the right thigh. Looks pretty intentional — his knee is bent — can’t tell if he followed through with a kick, which would make it very bad imo.

  454. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    While the Rays are crying about a cut in the leg of Iwa. I just read ” A woman threw her two struggling young children from a freeway overpass during Wednesday’s morning rush before leaping off herself, police said, but all three survived the 22-foot fall into traffic.” What the hell is wrong with people? After reading that the spike in the leg doesnt seem to matter as much.

  455. UtilityMan March 12th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Hinske by the way is on the Rays Roster.

  456. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Hopefully no hard and fast decisions will be made today on any of the players. With passions running so high it’s difficult to tell who was playing with too much adrenaline, etc. Let’s just put this one in the books and move on.

  457. Jeff NJ March 12th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Interesting that most of the classic Yankees didn’t make the trip. No A Rod, no Jeter, no Pettitte. I doubt Moose, Wang or even Rivera were there. Almost as if Yankee brass knew there would be problems today and compromised by leaving home the veterans.

    Does anyone know if any of the above list were present at the game?

  458. taylor March 12th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    unfortunately johnson’s play was a lot more understandable than duncan’s. when the catcher is low-blocking the plate, you have no choice but to lower the shoulder. he was not trying to hurt cervilli. duncan was clearly trying to hurt tampa’s starting 2B.

  459. mel March 12th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    That’s it. Game over. Meaningless game, but it would’ve been nice to win it. Moral victory and all that. :)

    Well, the you know what will hit the fan in the next 2 days. You won’t hear anything else.

    Catch you later.

  460. Blargh March 12th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Unless they’re sharpened, Cobb-style!

  461. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    None of them were there…you can tell by who started the game (except for Mo if they were there they would have started) – no Abreu either – I think it was Melky, Cano, Jorge and Shelley as “representative regulars”

  462. Frank Discussion March 12th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Boo-hoo, someone send a truckload of Kleenex to Tampa. Madden wanted “hardball” and he got it. Now shut up and be prepared to spend the rest of the season in well deserved obscurity wallowing in the depths of the AL East.

    Move over Toronto, there’s a new crybaby in the AL East.

  463. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Thanks for the company. I am so happy we have this game we love to remove us from the real atrocities happening in the world, as someone just pointed out. So let’s tip our caps for the final score, realizing (and I don’t mean this in a cutting way) that this may be the only time this season that Tampa Bay sees first place. Good for them. You know we’ll be fine.

    :)

  464. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    My bad – Abreu and Matsui were there, too

  465. trisha March 12th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    And I mean this in nothing but a sincere way. Imagine the grit of Helen Keller getting through life. I had to follow a game where there was no noise and only intermittent updates and I felt like I was on Mars! Talk about a baby!

  466. Jon March 12th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    “Going in with spikes high is even dirtier than a roll-block into the 2B/SS. And a LOT more filthy a play than a shoulder knocking over the catcher IN THE BASEPATH AT HP with the catcher blocking.

    I’m sorry you fanatics here can’t see that, but the first is dirty, the second is not.”

    KarenJ – I’m with you. Questionable in a spring training game, but decidedly not dirty. The fact that you people are even comparing it to Duncan’s crap is astounding.

    Pete, I count you as one of the fanatics.

    You’re just all wrong. Sorry.

  467. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    The slide was dirty. No doubt about it.

    So was the hit on Saturday.

    The point was made today. Now, I hope this stuff stops.

    The Rays won the game. They can have their ticker tape parade in St. Pete tomorrow. I’m sure there will be ring fittings later in the day since we know its all about March for Joe Maddon.

    The one thing we learned today is, this Yankee team isn’t taking any crap from anybody this year.

    Now, some of you may not like that or long for the Torre days.

    Me? I’m tired of the passivity this team has shown the past several years when incidents like these arose. I’m glad someone took up for Cervelli today. Just because he is a AA player, doesn’t mean you don’t have his back.

    Put it another way. We have seen the last of Manny styling for 30 seconds after he hits a HR against a Yankee pitcher. He does it now, he is eating a baseball. The way it should be.

    This Tampa incident is over now and we can get back to preparing for the season.

  468. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Rishi,
    Abreu played today.

    So Tampa is one step closer to being spring training champs. Their fans can go buy the 2008 ST CHAMPS in 2 weeks. How exciting. Hard nose ball paying off.

  469. Nettles vs. Lee March 12th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    I thought Albalafatso was supposed to be good.

  470. 108 stitches March 12th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Let the Rays get full of themselves over meaningless spring training games. It’s like little brother stepping on big brother’s toes in a pesty way and when the real games start big brother gives a good swat to send him to his room crying.

  471. Majambo March 12th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    SJ44. You said it all. Thanks.

  472. saucY March 12th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    KarenJ and Jon, just curious, sox or rays fans?

  473. DurhamYankee March 12th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Posada took a hit in a game against Boston at Fenway. It was their 4th outfielder. pretty big fella

  474. mird March 12th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    I think they’re both zealot pacifists

  475. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 12th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    im pretty sure it was a texa rangers game where the yanks were down a ridiculous amount of runs and the yanks came back and won…I believe posada hit a walk off in that game after the collision

  476. taylor March 12th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    “Phillips said he was not throwing at Longoria, and Posada agreed. But Posada did not defend Duncan’s slide when asked what he thought of it.

    ‘You’ve got to ask Shelley,’ he said. ‘I’ve got nothing to say.’”

    - NYT

  477. HAY GUISE March 12th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    HAY GUISE NICE FIGHT OH HAY YOU LOST THE FIGHT AND THE GAME GOOD JOB YANKEES MORE LIKE KISS MY TAMPA BUTT

  478. Steve Balboni March 12th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    It looks like a clean play to be: http://www.newsday.com/media/p.....681893.jpg

  479. Jane March 12th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    While I don’t necessarily encourage violence, I applaud Girardi because it seems to have finally gotten the point over:

    from yankees.com: http://tinyurl.com/2z2ghw

    The events could erase a mostly peaceful intradivision coexistence between the Yankees and Rays, who meet 18 times during the regular season. Players on both teams thought that there could be more unfinished business lingering in the rivalry.

    “I hope not, but probably,” Gomes said. “Truthfully, I hope not. This is baseball, not boxing.”

    “We’ll see,” Posada said. “I have no idea. I think we’ll play the game hard. I think it will be a little different from now on.”

    Sounds like little Johnny’s scared of a little contact.

  480. Pete March 12th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Of course, fan is derived from the word fanatic. I take that as a compliment.

    I’m not a raving, drooling WFAN caller, if that’s what you mean. I played ball on several different levels (none higher than college softball thanks to a bad back) and even though some people don’t like it, sometimes “stuff” happens. It’s the nature of the game.

    If you want to dance with the Devil, you shouldn’t be surprised when you suddenly end up with a trident to the Kerbangers.

    As for the game…bad day for Alabaldejo and Betemit. I wonder if they are on the way out/down…

  481. Jon March 12th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    saucY – I’m the biggest Yankee fan you’ll find. It doesn’t mean that I’m blinded by it. I’ve defended ARod during his playoff struggles while everyone else who has no concept of randomness and small sample sizes. I’ve criticized Torre to no end for his idiotic use of the bullpen.

    But you did prove a point with your assumption that I’m a Rays or Sox fan – that many (most?) fans can’t make sound decisions about something they’re passionate about. Luckily I don’t thin that applies to me.

  482. Bryan March 12th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    He saw it coming therefore had ample time to avoid Duncan’s foot… sorry running full speed and lowering your shoulder at someone not looking at you is still FAR WORSE

    Deserved

    Maybe Maddon will take off the stupid glasses of his and stop trying to act like he has a clue

  483. JohnnyC March 12th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Isn’t there a way to get Chris Russo off the air in New York? Send him to San Francisco so he can “comment” on his favorite team all he wants and leave us all the hell alone. He’s not even funny anymore.

  484. Jon March 12th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Pete –

    No offense, but your “you can’t have it both ways” comment seems to imply that that the Ducan and Cervelli plays were both equally clean or equally dirty.

    Is that really the case? If so, I’d have to say you’re blinded by your fanaticism.

  485. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    stump pic:
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/03.....hoto07.htm

  486. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Posada said. “I have no idea. I think we’ll play the game hard. I think it will be a little different from now on.”

    This could be the best thing that happened. For a few years now we have struggled to get up for Rays games. We have not won as many games as expected in those match ups. If this means beating them more so we dont have to fight for a playoff spot in september. Than thank you Shelley for making these games we will have energy for.

  487. Pete March 12th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Jon…playing Devil’s Advocate, one could say then that both playes were (ahem) “good, hard-nosed baseball”, right?

    I’m not defending anything. I also agree that this is baseball, not the WWE. However, it is a simple law of physics that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction (that wacky Newton!). This is one of those times.

    It can’t therefore be OK to knock a guy’s lights out trying to dislodge a ball but NOT ok to go for a glove on a slide into second. I take no sides. It’s the butterfly effect.

    Except the butterfly is wearing spikes. It’s a nature story as old as the game itself.

  488. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    At the end of the day, I don’t fault Shelley for taking the action he did. Does that mean he should not have been ejected? No, he should have. Does that mean he shouldn’t get suspended? No, if the Commissioner decides it is warranted, he should and proudly sit those games out. In my mind, those are two different things.

    But, how does Gomes not get suspended as well? He wasn’t involved in the original play (from last week), he wasn’t involved in Duncan’s slide into 2nd today), that play was over and Duncan had already been ejected from the accounts I’ve read. Then Gomes comes running in from right field and tries to tackle Duncan (putting aside how ridiculous he ended up looking on that attempt). That is just as improper and uncalled for.

  489. Pete March 12th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    For the record, I also put a lot of the blame for what happened today on Maddon. There were better ways to handle what happened on Saturday than shrugging it off and making a string of sarcastic, idiotic, smarmy comments.

  490. Nettles vs. Lee March 12th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    I never understood why many Yankees fans were so high on Betemit. The guy hits some HRs every now and then, but looks completely overmatched at the plate the rest of the time.

    There is still time for him, I guess, but I doubt he will ever amount to much.

  491. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    In those pictures of Duncan sliding. He went over the bag then had contact with Iwa. Could going over the bag make his foot go higher than planned? Hence sticking him in his leg.

  492. dana March 12th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Once again, SJ44 sums everything up perfectly. Thank god you’re on this blog!

  493. Motown Yankees Fan March 12th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Lori – you are right and I hope Gomes actions are focused on. He deserves to be suspended if Shelley gets suspended.

  494. S.o.S.27 March 12th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    lori,
    Is there a picture or clip on Gomes tackle yet?

  495. Pete March 12th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Oh geez, I just saw that pic of Stump Merrill…poor guy. I hope he’s OK.

  496. saucY March 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    i’m pretty sure gomes will be suspended as well. perhaps meachum too. ejection from a spring training game really isn’t a punishment.

  497. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    SOS – There are a few that have been posted – they all seem to be from the Newsday gallery

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....ry?index=4

  498. gayle March 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    I saw this quote on the WCBS Radio site when they were talking about the Mike and the Mad Dog stupidness of the past few days with the young pitchers.It is brilliant quote that pertains to many lol

    “Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.”
    ~ Plato

  499. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Saucy – did we ever find out why Meacham and Long were ejected?

  500. Travis G. March 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    “trident to the Kerbangers”
    Line of the Day!

    Pete’s right (not Mr. Abraham, the poster “Pete”). if we assume johnson is being truthful when he says he was just “playing hardball” and “going on instinct” to try to jar the ball loose, why shouldn’t we assume Duncan is being honest when he said he tried to jar the ball loose? (to play devil’s advocate.)

    if Maddon wants to play like this is the regular season, then be ready for this. it’s quite possible Shelley would do it in a meaningful game.

    also agree about Gomes. there’s no WAY Duncan can get suspended without Gomes too. the dude ran from the OUTFIELD to 2b just to start a fight.

  501. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Eeep, I hope Stump is okay.

  502. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Breaking News

    AP March 12, 2008
    “New York Yankees first baseman Shelley Duncan kills Tampa Bay Rays infielder Akanori Iwamura by sliding into his neck with razor blades on his cletes. Duncan said that that the voices of General MacAruther told him to do it. Thats all for now on this developing story.

  503. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    BTW – if you look at the full gallery from Newsday, the first pic of the 8 has Duncan’s leg coming in much lower on Iwamuri. But the timing of the pics is off so it is not clear if this was before or after the other one where Duncan’s leg hit his thigh.

  504. saucY March 12th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    lori, i don’t think so

  505. SJ44 March 12th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Duncan said he was not hurt by the hard charging Gomes….

    “I felt a bump”, he said.

    From the New York Times story.

    Hilarious!!!

    Its water under the bridge now. If the Rays want this to go further, its up to them.

    The point was made today and that’s what matters.

    Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

    On another note…..

    Gotta tell ya, I’m not so sure Betemit has this club made. He is just so feeble in most of his plate appearances.

    All he can do is K from the right side and his lefty side hasn’t shown much this spring.

    He is a Cashman favorite so, it will be interesting to see what happens.

    If Ensberg and Woodward get hot, an argument could be made for them to make the team over Betemit.

    Sure hope he gets it going in the next 10 days.

  506. gayle March 12th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Lori I was just about to post that as well. I believe that the first one was as he came in and the rest are moving forward via the click of the camera (if that makes sense) soo showing his complete movement from start to finish.

  507. Wouter March 12th, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    In a way, the umps are also to blame for this escalation: “It just barely hit me,” Longoria said. “I didn’t feel like it was intentional.” (NYT)

    Now, I wonder, what if the order of events had been reversed? Shelley with a hard slide, the next game the Rays take out Cervelli? I think you view the collision at home with a lot more skepticism, and Shelley’s slide with less.

    Mind you, I condone neither play. In my opinion, Johnson’s barreling of Cervelli was way over the line. It’s one thing to try to dislodge a ball with your forearms. It’s even another thing to do it in the regular season (I had no problem with Teixeira steamrolling Posada two years ago, for example). But to lower your shoulder and helmet, in a spring training game, when you’re ahead? And to do it while the plate wasn’t even totally blocked? (I don’t know why M & MD keep claiming Cervelli shouldn’t have been there – there was plenty of room to slide. Do you want HIM to concede the play then? Put the video on pause at the point of contact between Johnson & Cervelli; I think they’re actually outside the batter’s box. Besides, he had no time to get out of the way, the ball only arrived milliseconds before)

    Like I said, I don’t fully agree with the way Shelley “solved” this. Then again, the umpires made sure that we couldn’t just drill a guy (for real) and get this over with, so I guess Shelley felt he had to work his way around that. Fine, as long as we’re not considered pushovers anymore. I got really tired of Fatsuzaka drilling A-Rod & Jeter last year, even after he kind of announced it.

    Final note: if MLB suspends Shelley, they have to suspend Gomes, IMO.

  508. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    If you are in front of a TV, ESPN News is going to show it after the break…

  509. Lori March 12th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Gayle – which would mean his foot wasn’t all that high as he slid and he lifted it as he passed the bag. Not nearly as dangerous. But I guess until we see some video (nothing yet on YouTube) we’re just speculating.

  510. Rishi March 12th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Just saw the slide – really didn’t look that bad to me…maybe a little high, but not egregious.

  511. gayle March 12th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Wow just saw it Gomes came into Duncan like a barrel. Couldnt tell about the slide looked for sure like he started low and came up high. Also the little hesitation when deciding whether to even go to 2nd was not a good thing.

  512. mark March 12th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    go tell the PTI guys to get their facts right. kornheiser got mad that the yanks pitcher hit “the first guy at bat from tampa” when you said that there were already 2 runs in and two on.

  513. JUSTICE March 12th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    PETE A: Trust me, Girardi will be horrified by this. It looks like you can’t control your players when somebody slides in like he’s Bruce Lee.

    JOE G: “Shelley made a hard, aggressive slide and I would have to took at the replay to determine exactly what I think,” Joe Girardi said. “I will have to look to see how high it was. Some players are taught to try and break it up, like Shelley was. He went after his glove with his feet.”

    Pete! I trusted you!!

  514. these aint torre's yanks March 12th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    anyone have stats handy that show how many times bosux players hit yanks and vice versa – say over the last 4 years? im thinking 2 or 3 to 1 ratio. its just like hockey – you have enforcers so the game is play right – no grabbing holding, etc. in baseball you have hard slides and inside pitches. the yanks have been too timid with enforcement over the last 4 or 5 years

  515. Jon March 12th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Pete –

    I was never aware of the “proper” way to barrel over a catcher. I’ve never been catcher (though one of the writers at RiverAveBlues was, and he said the play was clean) but that play looks no different than any other collision at home I’ve seen. Brace yourself and go it for the hit.

    Even if there is a proper way, the difference between that play and a “proper” home plate collision is miniscule compared to the difference between what Shelley did and a normal slide into second.

    It’s just mind-boggling that people think that the play at home was as dirty. Maybe the timing was bad with it being spring-training? Sure. But not dirty.

    Do agree with you on Maddon though. If he had said something like this, it would be less of an issue: “Well, I normally appreciate hard-nosed play but maybe spring training isn’t the best place for that. Still, I can’t play the player because he’s trying to make the team and as he’s coming into home all he’s got on his mind is scoring.”

  516. Boston Dave March 12th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Re: Cervelli

    I think SJ first said this. If Madden had just said “it was a hard baseball play but we certainly are sorry that it ended in an injury in ST”, I don’t think this happens.

    It was Madden’s arrogance that quite possibly caused this to escalate.

    I am sure ESPN will rip the Yankees but we all know or should know that ESPN has become useless.

  517. Boston Dave March 12th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    p.s. I personally don’t like the Duncan play but “it is what it is”. I would have preferred plunking one TB guy and leaving it at that. Typically you retaliate with a pitcher hitting an opposing hitter in an area where he’ll feel it but won’t be seriously hurt.

  518. Boston Dave March 12th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Jon,

    I don’t think it’s mindboggling at all. If you prescribe to the idea that you play ST a little differently than you do a regular game, then it makes perfect sense.

    If you believe that you play all games with the same intensity and give 100% every time you step on the field, then sure.

    But don’t act like it’s a widespread, majority opinion among teams that ST is to be played as physically as a regular season game.

  519. torrey March 12th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Cmon, Pete

    “But sliding at somebody with your spikes at their throat is not the most professonal thing in the world.”

    The lower leg is nowhere near the throat.

    “What does Iwamura have to do with this?”

    When there is bad blood, the infielders are the most vulnerable.

    The infielders used to solve that problem by tagging the runner up by his teeth next time he slid into the base.

  520. Boston Fan March 12th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    My team sucks.

  521. Russell NY March 12th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    I love it that they are trying to rationalize this as hard ball, just like the Rays did with their home plate roughness. I think a fractured wrist and cleats in someones buttox is about even :)

  522. Skankee Fan March 12th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    JUSTICE

    Taught to break up double plays… It was a stupid play by Shelly. Just causing trouble like the punk he is.

  523. JUSTICE March 12th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    “Skankee Fan”

    Tee hee….you’re cute.

  524. mike March 12th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    GO YANKS!

  525. KarenJ March 13th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Answering saucY about whether I’m a Sox fan or a Ray’s fan:

    Neither.

  526. Kohner March 8th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Cool Picsxx


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