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Girardi talks it over with Duncan

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 13, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi said yesterday that if he saw a replay that showed what Shelley Duncan did was dirty, he would have a meeting with him.

Girardi and Duncan met this morning.

Duncan said later he didn’t want to talk about the meeting. Let’s see, 2 + 2 …

“We talked,” Duncan said. “Whenever you have private conversations with people you like to keep it between them.”

Duncan said he saw the replay. “When you do something, it never looks the same as what you thought you did,” he said. “So it didn’t look the same as what I thought I did.”

Asked whether he would do the same thing again, Duncan paused. “A lot of time situations don’t repeat themselves. … When you have a walk with the manager he’s going to give you things to learn from that’s right or wrong, whatever his viewpoint is. That’s what we talked about.”

So there you have it. The only question now is what sort of punishment MLB levies against the participants. Duncan and Jonny Gomes will likely be suspended.





68 Responses to “Girardi talks it over with Duncan”

  1. EdFl March 13th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    I hope this issue becomes ” water under the bridge. Gone, finito.

  2. Chris March 13th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    This is what Maddon should have done with Johnson to start.

    Instead he had to perpetuate all this foolishness.

    I’d still take a bet that you won’t see the Rays run over another catcher this spring.

  3. whozat March 13th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    Sounds like Girardi handled it right.

    I hope this is all over now. I wonder if, at the least, this opens the door a little more for Ensberg. Not that he isn’t opening it himself…he’s hitting well and has a much more solid MLB track record.

  4. DonVitoOfDaBronx March 13th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    2 + 2 = 4 !

  5. whozat March 13th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    Here’s an interesting question…what happens if Shelley starts the season in the minors? I mean…the Yankees are in no way obligated to take him on the 25 man roster to start the year. I figure he just serves his suspension in the minors…no?

  6. Matt March 13th, 2008 at 9:44 am

    The season hasn’t started and Shelley gets an ATTABOY. Shelly’s nature to compete hard will not change – just tempered a little bit.

  7. MikeEff - Shelley at First March 13th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    no, you can’t serve your suspension in the minors

  8. whozat March 13th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    “The season hasn’t started and Shelley gets an ATTABOY.”

    Actually, I’m pretty sure he got a “that was stupid…you gave them an excuse to go after Jeter’s knees now.”

  9. whozat March 13th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    “no, you can’t serve your suspension in the minors”

    So…they’re obligated to put him on the 25 man so he can be suspended? Or, would he only be suspended at the time that they choose to add him to the 25-man — should they choose to do so?

  10. Melissa March 13th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Right DonVitoOfDaBronx… except when 2 + 2 = 5.
    We probably won’t be seeing a ton of super hard slides from Shelley in the future. some, yes, but not a lot.

  11. Peter Abraham March 13th, 2008 at 9:49 am


    Right, Girardi praised him than Shelley sat his locker looking like he lost his dog and didn’t want to talk about it. That’s exactly it.

  12. mird March 13th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    Hey hey hey. That 2nd base ump never called Shelley safe or out. He just ejected him. WAS HE SAFE OR OUT?! I need a judgment call.

  13. Anthony March 13th, 2008 at 9:54 am


    Stop with your damn sarcasam. It’s annoying and makes you look like a fool

  14. Save Phil Hughes March 13th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    If it was all about body language, we’d believe Roger Clemens and not Brian McNamee.

    Who knows what Girardi told Duncan? He could have said, its done, let this thing stop act sorry and give no comments. It’s Bull Durham 101.

  15. Will March 13th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Pete: It seems to me as if Matt was patting Shelley on the back, not suggesting Girardi did.

    Should Duncan be applauded for his actions? No. But, by the same token, I am not embarassed by what he did and certainly wouldn’t bench or suspend him. Like it or not, agressive slides are a part of the game. Sure, Duncan likely wouldn’t have done it if not for Saturday, but hey, that’s the way the Rays want to play. So, while Shelley was most likely “wrong” for using his slide to retaliate, Maddon’s crime of encouraging shoulder blocks at the plate is greater in my book because his actions resulted in a serious injury.

  16. whozat March 13th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    “Stop with your damn sarcasam. It’s annoying and makes you look like a fool”

    Anthony -

    Develop a sense of humor. Not having one makes you annoying and look like a fool.

    It’s Pete’s blog. If you don’t like the way he writes it, go read one of the other 4.7 million Yankee blogs on the internet.

  17. Keith March 13th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    I’m sure there’s no way Shelley was putting on an act for the media!

  18. whozat March 13th, 2008 at 10:06 am

    If it was all about body language, we’d believe Roger Clemens and not Brian McNamee.

    Who knows what Girardi told Duncan? He could have said, its done, let this thing stop act sorry and give no comments. It’s Bull Durham 101.”

    While it’s true that we don’t know what Girardi said, I’m a big fan of Occam’s razor: the simplest explanation is likely the truth.

    What’s more likely?
    1) Shelley’s actually dejected because Girardi’s disappointed in his behavior, or
    2) Girardi told him he was secretly awesome, but that he must act sad in order to seem contrite AND that Shelley is a good enough actor to, despite getting a kudos from his new manager, play it straight and convince a bunch of reporters that he actually got yelled at and has been chastened?

    I gotta go with 1.

  19. Bronx Born March 13th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    Agree or disagree with him but it is Pete’s blog and probably the most participatory blog in Yankee Land. There is no need to call him out. He’s the host. This is his home and we are guests and should behave as such.

  20. mird March 13th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    I behaved badly. I ripped one on Pete’s couch. And I left the toilet seat up.

  21. Chris - Bleeds Pinstripes March 13th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Whozat, not saying you it is the case in this situation, but I’m not sure that the first choice is the most likely in this type of situation.

    It’s like when your teenage son nails a hot chick. Sure you act upset in front of your wife, and even scold him. But you give him the atta boy wink when she isn’t looking.

    I used to get the “You shouldn’t do that (but nice work)” speech from coaches all the time growing up. It was standard practice to “put on a show” whenever you did something that the coach knew he couldn’t come right out and ask you to do.

  22. SJ44 March 13th, 2008 at 10:23 am


    If suspended, Shelley has to sevrve it at the major league level.

    If he wasn’t included on the 25 man roster at the end of camp, he would have to serve the suspension whenever he was recalled to the majors.

    Its over and time to move on.

    What happens if Billy Crystal somehow gets a hit today? Does he get another AB?

    I will be glad when this is over.

    Its nice the Yankees wanted to give him a “birthday present”.

    Give him lifetime box seats. Having him play in the game? Doesn’t really thrill me.

    Its not a big deal but, it is one of those moments where (JMO) celebrities overstep their bounds.

  23. John March 13th, 2008 at 10:36 am

    I can’t believe people think Girardi told Shelley, “atta boy”… LOLOL!!!

    Billy Crystal should read these posts for material, LOL!

    If you think Girardi with his many players who earn $10m plus a year want to get into a tit-for-tat with Tampa players who make the minimum you are on crack. You think thats a wise way to treat your investments???

    You think some ridiculous notion of instilling fear in your opponents will make up for the chance some Tampa pitcher beans Jeter or Arod knocking him out for 3 months.

    Please, grow up.

  24. Jeff B. March 13th, 2008 at 10:36 am

    This is fantastic on the Shelley high spikes play:


  25. Yanksrule57 March 13th, 2008 at 10:36 am

    Crystal said on an interview he didn’t want to get in the way of the team getting ready for the season. Jeter said that he lightens the mood when he’s around and the guys look forward to him being there.
    I have to take them at their word so in the end it really is no big deal.
    I really hope he doesn’t get hurt today, that would be bad for all concerned, including Mr. Selig who signed off on this.

  26. Aaron March 13th, 2008 at 10:36 am

    Pete has been a rare voice of sanity during this whole situation, kudos for that sir. Sounded good on ESPN too.

    I’m sure guys like ARod and Jeter are going to love Mr. Duncan when Kazmir hits them in the face with a 93mph heater next month in retaliation.

    This kid of stuff is stupid and WAY beneath the Yankees in this Sox fans opinion.

  27. big joe March 13th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    I have to say that I believe Gomes should get a bigger suspension than Shelley. He came 150 ft to create a fight. Duncan should probably get a game or so but Gomes should get a week because it was Aki’s fight to be had not Jonny’s. If Aki kicked him back that would be fine but Jonny is the guy that could have caused the big fight to ensue. It’s like basketball if you get off the bench or in this case from clearly out of the play you get hammered.

    My 2 cents- I live in tampa and get tons of coverage on the Rays and generally like them but Joe Maddon is a punk and will never lead that team to victory. That’s why they had to unload talents like Dukes and Young because Maddon is not man or leader enough to deal with it.

  28. SJ44 March 13th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Nobody is hitting Arod or Jeter in the face with any pitches.

    Not going to happen.

    If there is any retaliation it will be toward Duncan. Not Jeter or Arod.

  29. Yanksgal07 March 13th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    It’s spring training ..who the heck really cares. Actually it’s good for a few laughs especially after yesterday’s little Tampa soap opera. He’ll probably go up to the plate once …get his thrill of a lifetime and that will be it. Heck ..I wish I had the star power to do that…especially being in the locker room afterwards …lol.

    This gal can only dream … sigh …

    Go Yankees 2008 !!!

  30. keith March 13th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Jessep: You can’t handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives…You don’t want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
    We use words like honor, code, loyalty…we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use ‘em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I’d rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you’re entitled to!
    Kaffee: Did you order the code red?
    Jessep: I did the job you sent me to do.
    Kaffee: Did you order the code red?
    Jessep: You’re goddamn right I did!!

  31. pounder March 13th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    We now see the first of many differences in the managering style of Joe Girardi vs Joe Torre.Torre would not,if at all possible,(given the lunatic nature of Duncan),have allowed these incidents to gather steam.He also would have rung Duncans neck if this had happened on his watch. There is a time and place for ‘hardball’ and this was not the time and not the place.

  32. Mary March 13th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    How can you not be embarrassed when someone on your team puts their spikes up intentionally? Duncan was out by a mile and still came in that way.

    If Girardi is any kind of man, let alone manager, he let Duncan have it with both barrels.

    And I think Peter would have a better understanding of what went on since he’s there than anyone here would.

  33. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 13th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    I’m thinking Joe had a good long talk with him, telling him how disappointed he was with his actions yesterday, and does he want to get one of his teamates hurt.

  34. saucY March 13th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    SJ44 “If suspended, Shelley has to sevrve it at the major league level.

    If he wasn’t included on the 25 man roster at the end of camp, he would have to serve the suspension whenever he was recalled to the majors.”

    i know it’s probably silly discussing it as I think Shelley is making the team anyhow.

    But wouldn’t you think this is even more of a reason to put him on the 25 man roster at the end of camp rather then sending him back to scranton? If they send him to Scranton and end up needing someone as an injury replacement; are they going to choose a guy who won’t be ready immediately or someone who can step in the next day?

  35. Clare March 13th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    For a slightly different take on the meeting (and one without Peter’s smugness and sarcasm), check out Kat O-Brien’s blog:

  36. Skippy March 13th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    I think we’ve all had enough spring training.

  37. Clare March 13th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Tyler Kepner also has a different take on the meeting:

  38. Barry March 13th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    How much you all want to bet Shelly doesn’t make the team out of spring training?

  39. Anthony March 13th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Peter, Why are you so obsessed with trying to make all of your readers have the same viewpoint as you? Some of us like the fact that the Yanks are showing some fire and some of us think that will carry over into the season. You disagree. That’s ok. We’ll see what happens. You act as if you are always right when clearly that’s not the case for you or anyone. We can have differences of opinion.

  40. saucY March 13th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    thanks for the links clare. i liked kepner’s “Deep down, I think Girardi might really approve of what Duncan did. “

  41. SJ44 March 13th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    How much do you want to bet he does? He already has the team made. Do you think he is being cut off yesterday?

    Please, you have got to be kidding.

  42. G. Love March 13th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    I don’t know…after the past couple of days, I think we may have to start calling Pete, Mad Dog Jr.

    If he starts talking about Jeannie, Timmy and Tony Russo in Arizona as he waxes poetic about the time Springsteen played Spirit in the Night with a broken E string on his guitar at a Jersey seaside bar with smell of fried clams and cheap boardwalk perfume wafting in the air, then we all need to get worried.

  43. pete c. March 13th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    This was handled wrong from the opening pitch. Girardi should have had the starter plunk the very 1st batter with the very 1st pitch. Then it’s over, and no suspensions. Joe’s gotta learn that they’ll follow his lead, and that’s why he has to control the situation from the begining. By not doing it this way he winds up with Duncan going rogue.

  44. SJ44 March 13th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    I said it when it happened yesterday. I don’t care what Girardi says publicly, there is no way he isn’t happy Duncan backed up his teammate yesterday.

    Was the slide out of line? Probably so. But, that’s what happens when the opposing manager declares March to be “Blood and Guts Baseball” month.

    Sometimes, folks get carried away about when to turn the Blood and Guts on or off.

    Nobody is saying the Yankees are going to turn into a bunch of thugs. However, unlike the last 4 years, there seems to be more of an edge to the team. From the manager on down.

    Go back and look at the first 5-7 years of Torre’s reign. Those teams didn’t put up with any of this nonsense. Even though Torre had the rep (deservedly so) as a “nice guy”, he didn’t call off the dogs if things got ugly.

    One only has to go back to his emotional defenses of Clemens over his tiff with Piazza.

    The last couple of years, for whatever reason, this team got soft in those areas. Yes, they averaged 97 wins a year. They are also 4-13 in their last 17 post-season games and have lost 4 straight series. Mainly because, when the going got tough, this team didn’t tough it out.

    Joba Chamberlain changed the dynamics last year with his tosses over Youkilis’ head. Funny but, the HBP’s by Red Sox pitchers seemed to stop after that incident.

    Will ESPN and some opposing players be “mad” at the Yankees? I suppose the right answer is, “who cares”.

    You play the game hard and you back down from nobody. THAT’S the Yankee Way.

    Not, “turn the other cheek, never retaliate, and always be a nice guy”.

    For those not versed in Yankee history, go back and look at the winning Yankee teams from the 1930′s on. All of them had that hardcore attitude.

    If stuff gets out of line, I expect the Yankees will be more aggressive in defending their own as they have been in the past few years.

    I don’t expect them to become WWE members. I do expect to back up teammates. Even if one of them is a AA catcher.

    Its why I have no beef with what Gomes did yesterday. He is doing what he should do….backup a teammate.

    Its also why folks shouldn’t get their panties in a wad over Duncan’s actions.

    Hopefully, its the end of it. If the Rays want it to continue, the ball is in their court.

    Hopefully, they will exercise good judgment. If not, I suspect the Yankees will deal with it in aggressive fashion.

  45. Craig in Tampa March 13th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    Girardi whined for days about Johnson, and then when his player does it, it’s okay. Yeah whatever Joe.

    He’s either a lying hypocrite, or he can’t control his players… which is it?

  46. SJ44 March 13th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    One can say the thing about Maddon. He was whining himself yesterday. “Borderline criminal”? Please, that’s a joke.

    He wants to play March games like this, stuff happens. Deal with it.

  47. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 13th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Craig get your Yankee hater glasses off and read what Joe Madden said, now read what Joe G said. Maybe than you’ll get it.

  48. Craig in Tampa March 13th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    One could say the same thing if one were semi-retarded, I guess.

    Do you really not know the difference between getting to a blocked plate, and putting your cleats up above knee level once you know you’re already out?

  49. Reality Check3 March 13th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    “Joba Chamberlain changed the dynamics last year with his tosses over Youkilis’ head. Funny but, the HBP’s by Red Sox pitchers seemed to stop after that incident.”

    Really ? That happened on August 30th. On September 14th Dice K plunked Arod.

    and on Septmeber 15th Beckett hit Giambi.

    What are you talking about ?

  50. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 13th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Um if you read c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y what I said you would understand. I guess I have to spell it out for you. He threw back in Madden’s face what was said to him. Now do you understand?

  51. SJ44 March 13th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    The only person semi-retarded in this thread is you Craig.

    I know the difference between a regular season game and a ST game.

    I also know that when guys like Keith Hernandez, Yogi Berra, Ralph Kiner, Tony LaRussa and several other present and future Hall of Fame players say you don’t plow catchers in ST, I take notice.

    You don’t like the actions of Duncan, tell your manager to chill out.

  52. G. Love March 13th, 2008 at 1:21 pm


    I think a lot of “fans” and media forget the days of Graham Lloyd and Darryl Strawberry defending their teammates on the field.

    I believe that was when Benitez and the Orioles were using Tino for target practice every time they faced him.

    I remember the game when I thought Straw and Lloyd were going to take on the entire opposing team by themselves on the field.

    When Torre first took over the Yankees, there was an edge and attitude to them. They backed each other up. They didn’t turn the other cheek when their best players were used for target practice.

    After they won a bunch of times it seemed like they rose above that sort of behavior and decided they were the white glove princes of the game, here to show the rest of the league the classy way to play.


    One of my favorite pictures on my wall is of Thurman Munson holding back Bobby Murcer as Bobby tries to knock out Boston catcher Tom Satriano at home plate.

    The Yankees always had a fighting spirit throughout their history. They were know for it, until the Jeter hugging and kissing everyone who crosses 2b era started after the Yanks won their multiple titles.

    The classy, turn the other cheek buttoned down ettiquette wasn’t the mark of a Yankee team until Torre started holding his gilded cup with his pinky in the air.

    Sometimes, success breeds an “above it all” attitude.

    That attitude needed to change.

  53. Craig in Tampa March 13th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    I understand that I wasn’t talking to your dumb ass in the first place. But since you need it spelled out for you, here it is:

    Girardi’s protest was empty whining because the play was completely legal – did Johnson get ejected? No, he did not. Even that idiot Jim Rome called it clean.

    Maddon’s protest was valid, because Duncan’s hit was gratuitous (look it up) and obviously just retaliation. Plus, with cleats up that high in the air, it was with the intent to do harm. Johnson did not intend to do harm, although it unfortunately turned out that way.

  54. Craig in Tampa March 13th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Oh I didn’t realize that Keith Hernandez, Yogi Berra, Ralph Kiner, and Tony LaRussa wrote the rules for baseball.

    Why didn’t Johnson get ejected then?

  55. deadrody March 13th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Pete you REALLY need to give the lecturing a rest. You don’t know diddly about what happened in the locker room between teammates OR what happened in that meeting with Girardi. But feel free to assume you know exactly what has happened and that it lines up 100% with your preconceived conclusions.

    Oh, wait, you already did that.

  56. deadrody March 13th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Wow, now I HAVE seen it all. I thought Red Sox fans trolling a Yankee blog was lame, but at least they are part of the biggest rivalry in sports. But a D’Rays fan trolling a Yankee blog ? Are you kidding me ?


    Heck, I didn’t even know the D’Rays HAD fans. LOL!!!

  57. deadrody March 13th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Pete has been a rare voice of sanity during this whole situation, kudos for that sir. Sounded good on ESPN too.

    Bwahahahahaha… Voice of sanity ? Good one. Voice of holier-than-thou know-it-all, oh for sure on that one.

  58. Peter Abraham March 13th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Deadrody: Right, because I never talk to the people involved and you do all the time, right?
    Read what the guy said.

  59. deadrody March 13th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Pete, good lord man. I have read three OTHER accounts of the conversation, NONE of which reach the conclusion you do based on his “body language”. Try, just TRY to write about facts and try not to draw dubious conclusions.

    Most of all, make even a slight attempt to leave the SUPER SMUG at home. I realize you get all kinds of nasty mail and stuff but you are just making it worse. Attacking Yankee fans and being smug, arrogant, and sarcastic is just not a winning formula. I think you would be vastly better off if you drop the holier than thou act.

  60. KarenJ March 13th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    WOW. Looks like the door to the monkey cage got left open…

    Thanks for being a beacon of light in the midst of all this fog of fan-aticism, Pete. I can’t believe they’re even turning on you over this brouhaha.

  61. buster b March 13th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    The whole organization just got a full reaming on tv for being classless and over the top for spring training. Girardi – overzealous. Duncan – hack. It’s embarassing, you know why its embarassing? Because it isnt going to mean squat this year as far as winning. It is going to be bad.

  62. Floridia March 13th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    You Yankee fans all a bluster about your team being so “tough” — it is hilarious. We’ll see how “tough” your old guys are. LOL!

  63. Frank Discussion March 13th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Isn’t it amusing to see all these Tampa fans taking the paper bags off of their heads and enjoying their 15 minutes in the spotlight instead of wallowing in shame, self-pity and humiliation ? The juvenile posturing is really quite comical. Reminds me of the kid in the schoolyard who never gets picked for the team until the teacher intervenes.

    I say let’s be magnanimous and let them enjoy it. For the remainder of the season they can fight it out with the Orioles for the bottom of the AL East. Some things never change.

  64. AndrewYF March 13th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Everyone, read Olney’s blog, and actual quotes from Girardi. Pete is pretty much dead, and by dead I mean DEAD, wrong on this one. Girardi flatly stated he supports Duncan, and didn’t think it was a dirty play. He said he talked to Duncan, Duncan told him he was just going for the glove, and Girardi stated, flatout, to the media, that he takes Duncan at his word.

    But, don’t expect Pete to actually, you know, admit he was wrong. See, he’s a reporter.

  65. Craig in Tampa March 14th, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Look at all those suspensions and fines… LOL

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