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Traber added to 40-man roster

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 15, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees today added LHP Billy Traber to the 40-man roster and placed RHP Andrew Brackman on the 60-day disabled list.

This not necessarily mean that Traber will be on the man roster on March 31. But don’t bet against it. He has appeared in five games this spring. His line: 4 3 0 0 0 5. Opponents are hitting .167 against him.

“Very intriguing,” Joe Girardi said.

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256 Responses to “Traber added to 40-man roster”

  1. westerner99 March 15th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    We don’t do that ‘first’ garbage on this blog.

  2. Jordan March 15th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    I don’t see how Traber DOESN’T make the roster…they have no other viable lefty options in the bullpen, and he’s been around long enough that keeping him in the minors won’t help him improve his stuff.

  3. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! Mussina is NOT DONE! anti RAYS! March 15th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    So they can now start putting players on the 60 day? Why is Pavano still around?

  4. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! Mussina is NOT DONE! anti RAYS! March 15th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    I wish Pete would get rid of posters who do that garbage.

    I’m still watching the Rays game. While Kennedy’s line didn’t look pretty, I think he did okay. Obviously you want to see better results but it wasn’t awful.

  5. Tim March 15th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Any guesses on the 23 man roster on opening day?

    Damon – CF
    Jeter – SS
    Abreu – LF
    A-Rod – 3B
    Matsui – LF
    Posada – C
    Giambi – 1B
    Cano – 2B
    Ensberg – DH

    Bench:
    Betemit
    Molina
    Gardner/Woodward/Lane/Ransom (my choice would be Gardner because who replaces Damon if he goes down?)

    SP
    Wang
    Pettitte
    Mussina
    Kennedy
    Hughes

    RP
    Mo
    Joba
    Crazy Carl
    Hawkins
    Traber
    Karstens/Rasner

    11 pitchers/12 position players to change to 12 pitchers – 13 position players once Duncan and Melky can return.

    Then I would send one of Gardner/Lane/Woodward/Ransom back down to Scranton, and add Patterson/Albie/Bruney/Ohlendorf to the rotation.

    Any thoughts? If Melky is gone for 2-3 games they have to keep Gardner or Lane or Woodward imo until he gets back.

  6. Josh March 15th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Igawa and Pavano should fight in a death match and whoever loses, the yankees get to opt out of there contract…

  7. Tim March 15th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    and add Patterson/Albie/Bruney/Ohlendorf to the rotation.

    Sorry I meant add to the “pitching staff” not “the rotation”

    Sorry I meant

  8. Jimbob March 15th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Hey guys, I was wondering if somebody could just post what the numbers Pete writes are…

    I’m guessing:

    IP, H, R, ER, BB, K?

    Any help on this?

  9. JDnotDrew March 15th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Tim – Where’s Cabrera?

  10. liz March 15th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Why is Brackman on the DL?

  11. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! Mussina is NOT DONE! anti RAYS! March 15th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    The Yankees have to do something to get around being two players short to start the season. If they start Melky in the minors and let Gardner start the season with the big club.

    I believe that Morgan makes the club as the utility fb guy. Has anyone paid attention to Wilson, is he a lock to make the team?

  12. JDnotDrew March 15th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    sorry ,he will be suspended.

  13. liz March 15th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Nevermind

  14. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! Mussina is NOT DONE! anti RAYS! March 15th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    liz he won’t be pitching at all this year. Pavano will also be moved to the 60 day. Francisco Cervelli also will likely be put on the 60 day.

    I think if Edwar Ramirez doesn’t make the team he will be dropped from the 40 man.

  15. bigjf March 15th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Does Igawa have options on his contract, that the Yanks can just send him to the minors so easy on a major league contract, or did he just accept an outright assignment? I know the Yanks risk losing Henn by not taking him, but if I’m Girardi, I can’t let Henn hog a roster spot when Traber is looking so good.

  16. Jordan March 15th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Tim there is one thing wrong with your prediction: The Yankees won’t bring up anybody to replace Melky and Duncan for the first 2-3 games. They’ll just deal with having a 3-man bench. Its too short a time period to make players travel to and from the minors for a 3-day period during which they probably won’t even play.
    Besides that though, I agree with your bench and bullpen assesment, and I think Karstens has a slight edge over Rasner despite his recent struggles (since Rasner hasn’t shown much either), and if they bring up another pitcher, my bet is on Ohlendorf, for lack of a better option (Patterson’s too young, skinny Bruney is still Bruney, and Albaladejo is in poor shape so I don’t see him performing well).

  17. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! Mussina is NOT DONE! anti RAYS! March 15th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Not that I’ve seen any sky is falling posts. but…

    NY Mets IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
    Santana (L, 0-1) 5.0 5 4 3 1 5 0 4.50

  18. NYY March 15th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Why is Brackman on the DL?

    Coz the Yanks want someone to take Pavano’s place on the 60-Day DL once Pavano’s contract expires. Yanks placed Brackman so that he gets used to being on the 60-Day DL. They can’t afford to miss Pavano even if his contract expires.

  19. Moshe Mandel March 15th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    ERA is a bit misleading- Traber came in with the bases loaded this week and gave up all the runs. He’s looked good, but I do not like the idea of carrying a lefty if he is inferior to other options. I’d rather carry both Ohlendorf and Patterson, to be honest.

  20. Jordan March 15th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    That means nothing, as most pitching stats during spring training mean nothing. Pitchers aren’t pitching to win during ST, they are just building up there arm strength, and working on controlling their different pitches. It is silly to think that any MLB-level pitcher would give away the pitch sequences he plans on using in the regular season, or that he would pitch to the best of his ability. These are practice games, and that is the way the players play them (well, maybe not Shelley Duncan). There’s a reason why some years the Royals come out on top of the Spring standings.
    Everybody needs to quit fretting about bad performances and just enjoy the fact that baseball’s back and we’re so close to the real thing (then you can fret all you want!)!

  21. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! Mussina is NOT DONE! anti RAYS! March 15th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    bigjf

    I can’t recall why it was so easy to send him down.

    I forgot about Henn, I can’t see them bringing him north. I don’t care that he doesn’t have options and we would likely lose him.

    Check out his statics over 3 years being up and down. Not good. It isn’t worth bringing someone up for the sake of just bringing up a lefty.

    More than a hit per inning, almost an er per inning. Almost a bb per inning. Not good at all.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hennse01.shtml

  22. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! Mussina is NOT DONE! anti RAYS! March 15th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Jordan

    I’m not sure that was directed to me. But that was my point in posting Santana’s stats. That people shouldn’t get too worried about Joba and Ian. Even the best of them get smacked around.

  23. Jordan March 15th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Moshe- while Traber may not be perfect, he has outstanding lifetime statistics against left handed batters, and with Mo, soon to be Joba, what seems like an improved Farnsworthless, and the consistently semi-solid Hawkins anchoring the all-righty bullpen, it may be more important to have a guy that can handle Big Papi over an unproven righty duo.

  24. Jordan March 15th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    If the Yanks brought Henn back up, and even dared to put him in in an extra inning game (where he’ll naturally walk 3 guys, eventually leading to the losing run), I don’t know what I would do with myself.

  25. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 15th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Jordan: Probably watch the game the next night ;)

  26. Jordan March 15th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Of course. But angrily

  27. desti(NY) 2008 March 15th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Billy Traber being added to the 40-man roster should send a signal to Henn and Igawa. There will not be 2 lefthanders in the bullpen.
    All indications point to Cashman in a dealmaking mode in the next 7-10 days and offering Henn and other spare parts.
    One last chance for Igawa to get it together at AAA or Yankee patience runs out.

  28. Steven March 15th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    “I think if Edwar Ramirez doesn’t make the team he will be dropped from the 40 man.”

    Your idea makes no sense.
    1) Edwar Ramirez has option years left.
    2) Why would they let another team claim him? He actually has potential.
    3) If the are putting people on the 60-day DL, why would they need the spot on the 40 man roster? Cervelli, Pavano, and Sanchez will all be put on the DL also, opening up 3 more spots.
    4) People who should be DFA before Ramirez: Wright, Igawa, Henn, Veras

    Teams don’t DFA players just because, they do it for a needed 40 man roster spot.

  29. yanksrule57 March 15th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    hi all,

    Just got back from today’s game and wanted to post a couple of comments:

    1. Brett Gardner is as fast as everyone says. He beat out a ball up the middle today and my jaw dropped. He is at least as fast as Ichiro was when he came over.

    2. IPK really struggled with control today. His outing could have been a lot worse.

    3. Kei Igawa got rocked by some of the hardest hit balls you will ever see. One home run was a line shot to dead center.
    He appeared to be working on keeping the ball down his second inning. Too little, too late.

    4. Wilson Betemit looks thinner than last year, definitely a good sign for him.

    I had a nice discussion with some other fans who think we will really regret not getting Santana. I disagree and we had a nice back and forth. A lot of people seem to think the old way of buying older free agents is still the way to go.

    It was a beautiful day as the breeze kept it cool. I got lots of cool new Yankee gear and we had a great time.

  30. BigV March 15th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Simple Question: Ohlendorf V Farnsworth?

    Not acting like a crazy fan but I would trade Farnsworth(he is at his top trade value) and promote Ohlendorf to 7th inning, followed by Hawkins 8th and Mo 9th.

    Pros: Save money, promote from within, younger player, better cooperative and likeable teammate.

    Cons: Can the youngster handle the pressure?, inexperience, not totally proven, never handled relieving for a full year, Could this be Karl’s best year? Could Karl perform better knowing he is in last year of contract?

    I think we have enough options even if Ohlendorf fails and I think keeping both Bruney and Farnsworth is a waster of two spots. One or the other but not both.

    Have do you folks think?

  31. BigV March 15th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Correction: What do you folks think?

  32. Jordan March 15th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    I disagree with you.
    Not that I believe with any certainty that Krazy Kyle will have a lights-out season, but I just don’t think it’s worth trading him.
    A) Despite the fact that his trade value may be a tad-bit higher because of the supposed tweaks in his delivery, he still has very little trade value. Not many teams are in the market for a mid-30′s righties reliever who has not yet proven himself to be reliable, and is a bad clubhouse guy.
    B) What would they get in return? He has only 1 year left on his contract, and as I mentioned, low trade-value, and the Yanks don’t have any dire needs besides a good lefty reliever- and what team will trade a way a quality lefty for Farnsworthless? The only way they could do that would be if they included quality prospect and that is not the attitude of the new-look Yankees.
    C) Whether or not you have faith in Farnsworth, you have to consider that it IS his contract year, and he HAS tweaked his delivery, and he still does have a 98-mile an hour fastball. So while other teams may not risk trading for him, there’s no harm in giving him one more chance with only one year left on his contract, and hoping that he’ll pan out. Besides, even if he fails, like you mentioned, we have plenty of backup options.

  33. Simon B. March 15th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Ohlendorf was bad in the minors last year (and pretty much every year except a decent ’06 in AA), what makes everybody think he can be even average in the majors? 5 innings at the end of last year? He may throw hard, but he doesn’t have much else. Hopefully, that splitter develops this year.

    I’m a big supporter of Edwar. He has awesome stuff; he just needs to stop being so nervous when in the majors.

  34. Fran March 15th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    If the Yankees trade Kyle they’d probably have to pay most of his contract. If they’re going to pay it, they might as well keep him here and try and get something out of him.

  35. Jon March 15th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Ohlendorf was mediocre as a starter. Very different. He was very good as a reliever last year, and should continue to be. He’s got a very good sinker as well, if I remember correctly. He’s a perfect “Kevin Towers” pick for the pen. I really believe he can become of the top setup men. He’s among the best guys that aren’t good enough to be good starters, if that makes sense. That’s typically where setup men (and some closers even) come from.

  36. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! Mussina is NOT DONE! anti RAYS! March 15th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Ross also had back issues last year.

  37. Simon B. March 15th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    He was awful as a reliever in the minors too—albeit in limited innings. Though more innings to judge than the 5 he pitched in majors last year.

    He’s also lost the sink on his 2-seamer since converting.

  38. Andrea - anti-anti March 15th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Wasn’t Ohlendorf bad as a starter, so they decide to try him out as a reliever?

  39. Andrea - anti-anti March 15th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Nevermind. Simon B answered my question.

  40. MikeEff ( Shelley: Everyday ) March 15th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    i’m not sure why anyone would clain that edwar has awesome stuff. he has a very good changeup, that’s about it.

  41. tim March 15th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    To whoever said Patterson is to young and skinny, he is 29 and weighs 230

  42. tim March 15th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Forget about the too skinny part, that was talking about Bruney, but Scott Patterson is not young

  43. Simon B. March 15th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Edwar has superb stuff. He essentially has the same repertoire as Cole Hamels. Top 5 changeup, fastball sitting at about 91 (look it up, they’re both there), and a somewhat junky breaking ball (slider for Edwar, curve for Hamels). Now Hamels also is a lefty and has better command, but I’m content with Edwar being a very good relief pitcher and not one of the premier starting pitchers of the NL.

    Ohlendorf really puzzles me because he’s pretty far down on the depth chart for the Yankees relief pitching, yet Yankee fans have latched on to him for some reason.

    You value big guys who throw hard because they always have some potential, but Ohlendorf has really not shown anything. There are so many guys ahead of him (and more to come from some of the guys who are coming off TJ surgery like Melancon, Sanchez, and Cox, and some of the guys in the lower minors.)

  44. CB March 15th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    “ERA is a bit misleading- Traber came in with the bases loaded this week and gave up all the runs. He’s looked good, but I do not like the idea of carrying a lefty if he is inferior to other options.”

    So far this spring Girardi has rarely brought any pitchers into the middle of an inning.

    For the most part the only ones who he has done this with have been Traber, Patterson and Phillips.

    So given that most pitchers in spring training come in to start innings bringing up Traber allowing the bases to clear isn’t exactly fair either.

    You can’t bring up the inherited runners allowed for one guy when the other relievers haven’t come in with runners on base.

    ERA is obviously misleading for relief pitchers. But it’s not meaningless. And for that matter ALL spring training stats, especially those accrued over the first two weeks, are meaningless.

    Traber has pitched well this spring. Other than Patterson he may have thrown the best so far.

    Will this continue? Who knows. His track record against lefties over his career is very good. Against righties – very bad.

    People make this same point about lefty relievers over about not carrying a lefty reliever who is inferior to righties available.

    The yankees have made it very clear by Cash’s statements and their personnel moves this off season they are in no way beholden to carrying a lefty specialist just for the sake of it.

    If the guy isn’t performing or their are better options, they he’s not going to make the team just to have a lefty.

    But the only relief pitcher who has consistently distinguished himself is Patterson. And he’s never thrown above AA.

    I love Ohlendorf’s arm and hope he makes the team – of the guys vying for the pen he’s got the most talent.

    But so far his performance hasn’t truly warranted it. Hope that changes but even today he didn’t pitch great. He may still need time to work on his second pitch.

    Ohlendorf, Veras, Bruney, Albalandejo, Karstens, etc. – none have been very good. And Traber has been much better than any of them.

    The problem with the yankees pen isn’t carrying a lefty reliever who doesn’t “deserve” a spot because there are better options – the bigger problem they are carrying Farnsworth at all.

    He’s been ok this spring and perhaps in the walk year of his contract he’ll be better but given his awful track record it’s not a reach to bet that they have better options than Farnsy. But he’s going north because Girardi has made him his project and because of his contract.

  45. Andrea - anti-anti March 15th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Simon B: fans have seen Ohlendorf. He came through when it mattered last year, mopped up in blow outs, did what he had to do. People attach themselves to that. I, myself, haven’t see Melancon, Sanchez or Cox. It’s just my guess, but people probably like Ohlendorf because of his role in the surge of wins last year.

  46. Peter Abraham March 15th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Simon:

    Edwar has a great changeup. But his fastball is below average in terms of movement and location. That takes away from his changeup. You have to respect the fastball for a change to be effective.

    In essence, hitters just sit on the changeup. He gets a few strikeouts that way but when he gives up hits, he gets crushed.

    Ohlendorf is a much better prospect. Power sinker, better command, much, much better stamina, better approach to pitching.

  47. Andrea - anti-anti March 15th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    CB: I think you officially win the award for longest posts ever.

  48. Andrea - anti-anti March 15th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    But Pete, the real question is, does Ohlendorf run champagne and Red Bull into his teammates’ heads during locker room celebrations? Because that’s important stuff. :)

  49. Simon B. March 15th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Peter: I don’t think everybody has seen Edwar at his finest. When he’s in the minors, he has decent command with his fastball. Now, I hope what happened last year was just butterflies. I can’t be sure, he may turn out to be a headcase, but when he’s on, he truly does have fantastic stuff.

    Ohlendorf on the other hand, has a fastball. His slider is okay, but inconsistent. His K rate has never really been very good, and now with his sinker pretty much dissipated, he doesn’t have much to go on.

    Sample size is important. Both Ohlendorf and Edwar didn’t pitch very many innings in the majors last year to judge one way or another.

  50. jennifer-Phil Hughes saved!! Mussina is NOT DONE! anti RAYS! March 15th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    No I think it is between him and SJ :lol:

  51. Andrea - anti-anti March 15th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Jennifer: I dunno. CB’s have been getting longer and longer.

  52. CB March 15th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    “Edwar has superb stuff. He essentially has the same repertoire as Cole Hamels. ”

    That’s quite an unsubstantiated statement. Comparing Edwar to one of the best young pitchers in the game.

    Edwar in no way has superb stuff – he has a superb change up. One pitch, unless its Mariano’s cutter – is not stuff. It’s one pitch. The rest of Edwar’s repertoire is mediocre to poor.

    Edwar has a great change up – it’s a 70 on the scouting scale. Clearly one of the best in the majors.

    And he put up all those video game numbers in AAA.

    But at this point he’s a one trick pony with the change – that’ll work in AAA but won’t and hasn’t in the majors.

    The issue with Ramirez isn’t his fast ball velocity – which should be adequate given how good his change is – the issue is his fastball command which is very poor. Dave Eiland said this last year the week before Edwar got called up and Eiland had coached him all year in Scranton.

    Edwar consistently misses his spots with his fastball and he can’t afford to do that because when he does the ball gets hammered.

    In 21 major league innings last year he walked 14 hitters – that is horrendous. I don’t care if Torre didn’t use him for that three week period – even when he came back up late in the year he had very poor control.

    The reason his control is so poor in the majors is because big league hitters quickly learned to lay off his change and force Edwar to throw his fastball. He has to be too fine with the fastball and has poor command of it so he walks guys.

  53. mickey's monkey March 15th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    I predict Ohlendorf to make a positive contribution the the bullpen this season. He’s got a +sinker, command, and maturity.
    I would love to know what to think of Edwar Ramirez. But I don’t. He can be unhittable on Tuesday, then lunchmeat on Wednesday.
    As for Igawa, I think they need to dump him. I’ve certainly seen enough. He was awful today or, more accurately, awful, again.
    Henn? I’ve been cheering for this guy for two years now. But I’m done. Maybe some other team would be interested.
    I’m feeling OK about Traber in the ‘pen. But I want to see another–good-lefty. Damaso Marte or Brian Fuentes. With all the expendable talent the Yanks have to offer–Igawa, Henn, Veras, Karstens, Marquez, Hilligos, Curtis, etc.–you’ve got to think that the Bucs or the Rockies will bite.
    Go Cashman!!

  54. CB March 15th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    “CB: I think you officially win the award for longest posts ever.”

    They are very long. The way I see it is that people are more than welcome not to read them if that’s not what they enjoy.

    I try to have sources or reason’s for most things I write and double space between sentences to make them easier to read as I know there’s a lot in them.

  55. roundabout March 15th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Andrew Brackman is coming off arm surgery… He’s not expected to pitch until 2009.

    Following the 2007 draft, the Yankees signed Brackman to a guaranteed $4.5 million deal for four years including a $3.55 million signing bonus spread out over six years.[11] The club also holds options over Brackman for the 2011, 2012, and 2013 seasons which could boost the total value of his contract over $13 million (if he meets his bonus requirements).
    The Yankees recommended that Brackman see Dr. James Andrews in Alabama to address his lingering elbow concerns. Later in August 2007, he underwent Tommy John surgery.

    Brackman is currently at the Yankee spring training camp and is slated to begin the 2008 season on the 60 day disabled list. Despite this setback, Brackman is still considered a “blue-chip prospect”.
    On February 1, 2008, Keith Law of ESPN ranked Brackman in the top 100 baseball prospects of 2008,[13][14] and both Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus list him as in the Yankees’ top ten prospects.

  56. Simon B. March 15th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    CB: I think I’ve already pretty much addressed all that, but just to reemphasize:

    Sample size and adjustment.

    You’ve pretty much judged (not just you, most people) Edwar on 21 innings. Not only that, but you have to afford some leniency based on adjusting as well. If any of the big three falters this year, it would not be too surprising; not because they’re of poor quality, but just because a great deal of pitchers struggle for a year or two when they are first brought up. Look at any number of pitchers, like Maddux or Clemens or Randy Johnson.

    I’m just a little annoyed that the “common” scouting report has been carved in stone for Edwar—that he’s somehow doomed to have poor command forever based on 21 innings, despite him having decent command in the minors. He has the stuff to succeed, he just needs to put it to use.

    You see this all the time, and many times, in even more ridiculous proportions. You see the tides instantly turning based on every spring training start. After Mussina has a good start on Thursday, people aren’t so down on him after all. You can be sure the next time he has a bad start, there will be people demanding his DFA. Never mind the fact that Mussina had a spring training ERA of 7+ in 2006 when he was a top fifteen pitcher.

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