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Yankees-Phillies: The Live Blog

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 26, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s 72 degrees here in Clearwater at Bright House Networks. It’ll be Chien-Ming Wang against Brett Myers.

I have assorted things to do for the newspaper, so I’m not sure how much live blogging I’ll be able to do.

PHILLIES
Rollins SS
Dobbs 3B
Utley 2B
Howard 1B
Burrell LF
Jenkins RF
Werth CF
Coste C
Myers P

SECOND INNING
Wang bunted and nearly got on before Myers threw him out. That would have been great. Still no score.

Wang loaded the bases on singles. A run scored on a fielder’s choice as Cano couldn’t turn a double play. After a walk, A-Rod whiffed on a second double-play ball. Then Rollins cracked a two-run single. 4-0 Phils.

FIFTH INNING
Still 4-0 Phillies as the Yankees are getting two-hit. Gardner just fouled a ball into his face and was taken out of the game. No word yet on how he’s doing.

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380 Responses to “Yankees-Phillies: The Live Blog”

  1. Dave March 26th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Anyone getting Gameday audio to work? Mine doesn’t go to a live feed, just 48 seconds of background noise.

  2. ItalianGreco March 26th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Wang needs to have a good outing.

  3. Dave March 26th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Nevermind, seemed to start just after the game did.

  4. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    at least gameday is updating after each batter. not putting all the pitches up there, though

  5. gayle March 26th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Dave it just started it will be a pleasure listening to the Phils broadcasters Harry, Larry and maybe we even get some Wheels

  6. Brian from PA March 26th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    what is going on? is it already the bottom of the 1st? i just got the audio to work and it seemed like they were starting the broadcast but the phils are batting.

  7. Motown Yankees Fan March 26th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Does anyone have the Gameday link?

  8. mird March 26th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    anyone have the gameday link? i keep getting an error on the site…

  9. soapter March 26th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Does anyone have the gameday link?

  10. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 26th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Why does Wang have to bat? The phillies declined to let us use a dh? They could still have their pitcher pitch, or did they want an easy out?

  11. Sara March 26th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    gameday link anyone?

  12. Motown Yankees Fan March 26th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Wow, great minds ask the same questions…

  13. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....;brand=mlb

    You can make your own. That string at the end is the date, followed by a code for the two teams involved, away followed by home.

    nyamlb is the New York AL Major League team — the Yanks :-)

    The other ones are pretty logical…phi, cle, bos, det

  14. mird March 26th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    ha! thought my post was posted three times for a second there

  15. Phil Hughes is Saved! March 26th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Gameday link:
    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....;brand=mlb

  16. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    0-0 End of one. Jorge threw out a baserunner.

  17. gayle March 26th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Maybe they want too get their pitchers some hitting work?? They have been playing against AL teams recently so maybe as the year gets closer they need to make sure their pitchers get some live at bats

  18. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    I’m so proud of myself. With my limited hacking skills I get a gameday for today.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....b_phimlb_1

  19. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) March 26th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Wang will be a extremely easy out as a hitter because he didn’t like to hit at all.

  20. Sara March 26th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    anyone have the gameday link

  21. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Gayle,
    Thanks for the Bob Sheppard update.

    THIS GUT IS A LEGEND!! Where’s the love?

    GET WELL BOB!

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....0830.story

  22. Brian from PA March 26th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    weird that two phils-yanks game in a row are only on radio. you’d think two playoff teams from last year in big markets would get put on MLB.TV. instead they have, what, Cards vs Orioles? Braves and Nats? oh well.

    My first game of the season is April 5th vs the Rays, it’s a saturday. Anyone else going to that game? Kennedy should be pitching. not sure exactly where my seats are because the ticket book is at my parents’ house, i just know it’s behind home plate in the upper deck. should be a much different perspective of the game than i’m used to, i’ve been sitting in the bleachers since 05!

  23. Phil Hughes is Saved! March 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    weird..my other post didn’t show up:
    Gameday
    http://tinyurl.com/2su9xq

  24. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Or “GUY”

  25. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    mird,

    I hacked one, but this site’s not letting me post the link.

    Try: mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2007/gd.html?2008_03_26_nyamlb_phimlb_1

  26. mird March 26th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    thanks for the link

  27. Brian from PA March 26th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    ok i’m having a problem getting my posts to show up. i just tried to post a rather long comment, both in this topic and the previous one. both times it didn’t show.

  28. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 26th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    I have no love for Myers. I hope we pound that guy, and I don’t mean offensively, I mean a literal bench clearing team beating on this guy.

  29. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Wang bunting. Awesome.

  30. Rich March 26th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Wang bunted. :)

  31. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 26th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    One of the games, the other team just had the pitcher hitting. So taht would be an easy way to solve it.

  32. Motown Yankees Fan March 26th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Thanks for the Gameday link. It’s working for me today, which is rare.

    Also, Fernando, I hate Meyers too. I had a chance to draft him in my fantasy team and I could not do it.

  33. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Wang bunted over Meyers’ head. Technically that’s not swinging right?

  34. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) March 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    HA! I was laughing so hard for that bunt from Wang.

  35. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge March 26th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    WANG!! You aren’t supposed to hit!! Joe make him drop and give you 50!

  36. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) March 26th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Motown Yankees Fan,

    I hear you. I suppose that’s the sort of reaction you earn when you beat your wife in public.

  37. bronxbomber77 March 26th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Guiseppe Franco
    March 26th, 2008 at 10:06 am
    bronxbomber,

    Keep politics off this board. Nobody wants to read that stuff on a baseball blog.

    There are thousands of forums for that kind of content and this ain’t one of them.

    Tell that to Pete. I was simply offering an opinion on his political entry from last night.

    But as I said before I agree with you. I hate politics. I’d much rather talk baseball. But, I dig Pete and what he has to say on the matter…

  38. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Phillies bases loaded with three straight singles.

  39. Rishi March 26th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    any outs?

  40. Phil Hughes is Saved! March 26th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    LOL @ Wang bunting. Aw.

  41. Brian from PA March 26th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    looks like my posts that wouldn’t show up before have now showed up….if anyone cares about what i said about a game i’m going to next weekend, see above…

  42. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    double play w/ a run scored.

  43. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    1-0 Phillies, one out, I think first and third.

    Wang is falling behind on a lot of hitters and sinker is up.

  44. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    oops, didn’t make the play at 1st. 1-0 runners on 1st & 3rd with 1 out.

  45. butterball March 26th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Just a bizarre rules question……….is there anything in the rules that would prevent a team from using the pitcher as the DH. If they can use him as DH, then if the pitcher is removed, as pitcher, would he be able to continue hitting as DH? And no, I’m not suggesting Wang should be the DH, but I am thinking about Ruth.

  46. Sara March 26th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    what is going on now! gameday is stuck on wang bunting!

  47. raymagnetic â„¢ March 26th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    “double play w/ a run scored.”

    4 ground balls this inning? That’s the Wang we all know and love?

  48. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    stolen base 2nd & 3rd with one out.

  49. Brian from PA March 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    What’s wang with wrong?

  50. William Buckner March 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    DH didn’t exist until I think 1972.

  51. Sara March 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    is anyone else having issues posting a comment?

  52. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Ha! The batter thought that was strike 2 on the 3-1 pitch. Bases loaded.

  53. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 26th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Phil Hughes reminds me of Bret Myers…stuff wise

  54. Rishi March 26th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    not looking good this inning…

  55. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    2-0 Phillies on Myers infield single or A-Rod error.

  56. Brian from PA March 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    well a lot of these balls are on the ground….but no one is fielding them.

  57. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Right through Alex’s wickets. 2-0. Bases loaded, 1 out.

  58. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    4-0. Rollins single. Wang does not sound good.

  59. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Did one of the radio guys burp. I heard a burp.

    Hopefully this Conseco thing doesnt mess with Arods psychi. Just made an error. It seemed like this would be the first year where he doesnt have drama. Thanks Jose.

  60. Mike R. - Once you’ve seen one gyroball, you’ve seen ‘em all March 26th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    4 – 0 Phillies after a Jimmy Rollins single still 1 out

  61. MikeEff- Shelley , Play Every Day March 26th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    i just got here…not looking good huh?

  62. Brian from PA March 26th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    yeah that one wasn’t on the ground. they’re saying Wang’s velocity seems to be down too. dead arm period?

  63. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    rbi by Meyers on 3B error. Rollins singled in 2 runs. 1st & 2nd, 1 out.

  64. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    The guy just called Wang. LONG WANG.
    Double play ends inning. 4-0

  65. Brian from PA March 26th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    out if it with a DP. not before 4 come home though.

  66. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 26th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    bwhahahahahahahahaha thats classic

  67. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    They’re playing music. Is there a pitching change? Or did Wang get out of the inning?

  68. Patrick March 26th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Eh…Wang is just saving his stuff for monday.

  69. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Never mind.

  70. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Well he finally got the double play.

  71. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Byun yun Kim is getting released. How about signing him for batting practice?

  72. Yankees Ben March 26th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    so he basically got 3 double play balls in one inning! how bout that.

  73. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) March 26th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    I said this on my blog few days ago. Dave Eiland let Wang throw two bullpen between his last start and this one. Is this the reason for velocity drop?

  74. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Same score end 2.5.

  75. raymagnetic â„¢ March 26th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Okay, so how hard are the ground balls being hit? That’s like 6 ground balls this inning coupled with some bad breaks it sounds like.

  76. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) March 26th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    That is what I think. 3 DP in one inning. but I concern about velocity more than result.

  77. Rishi March 26th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Has Meyers thrown like 12 pitches? How are these half innings ending so quickly?

  78. Rishi March 26th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    sorry: Myers

  79. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    In other news. Escobar shut down again for the Halos. IMO he is key for their strength in pitching. Without him i dont see much aside from Lackey offcoarse. They will have a tough time taking that division from Seattle.

    Wang K Utley 1 out.

  80. Yankees Ben March 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    they like the ball girl

  81. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Jessica,
    Throwing 2 bullpen sessions could very well be the reason for the drop in velocity.
    I would not worry.

  82. Yankees Ben March 26th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Rishi i think it was less.

  83. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Nice inning so far for Wang. K’s Howard

  84. Hoosier Yankee March 26th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Is anyone else getting a little worried about Wang this spring? He was good his first game and third, other than that he has been UGLY. I am not much into spring training ERAs and stats but this is starting to become a patter, not an exception. His ERA is now just under 10.00. If he can’t pull his weight as the #1 and eat up over 200 innings, we are in huge trouble this season, especially with Pettite’s back giving him trouble.

  85. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Rishi,

    The pitch count’s not accurate on gameday, but the top of the 3rd was very quick. Seemed like it only took a minute.

  86. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    K of Howard.

  87. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 26th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Myers is a very good pitcher

  88. Yankees Ben March 26th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    2 consecutive strike outs go figure!

  89. Rishi March 26th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    yeah, i’m not going off gameday – just the fact that 2 minutes after the end of the inning is loaded, the top is already over…

    I just hate the “jump on the first pitch” approach…

  90. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 26th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Im not worried about Wang, it seems to take him a little longer to really get it going…he’ll be fine

  91. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Hoosier: I think part of the issue is that Wang’s trying to learn other pitchers so when his sinker isn’t working he has something else to go back to.

    I’m not worried yet, but if he’s pitching like this in May I will be a little concerned.

  92. Yankees Ben March 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    nice rebound for wang

  93. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    According to BetUS.com, Atlanta is 28-1 to win the World Series, which ranks only 13th among all teams and seventh among National League clubs. The top dozen: Yankees and Red Sox (9-2 each), Tigers (11-2), Mets (11-2), Angels (10-1), Indians (12-1), Dodgers (14-1), Cubs (15-1), Phillies (16-1), Diamondbacks and Mariners (20-1) and Rockies (25-1).

    Here i thought we were in rebuilding mode. Gotta love the critics counting us out before we even started spring training. Now the experts have us winning the Series.

  94. Yazman March 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    “I’m not suggesting Wang should be the DH, but I am thinking about Ruth.”

    For the historian/experts on the blog:

    Why do you think the Yanks didn’t try pitching Ruth in turn and put him in RF on off days?

  95. raymagnetic â„¢ March 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    “Is anyone else getting a little worried about Wang this spring? He was good his first game and third, other than that he has been UGLY. I am not much into spring training ERAs and stats but this is starting to become a patter, not an exception. His ERA is now just under 10.00. If he can’t pull his weight as the #1 and eat up over 200 innings, we are in huge trouble this season, especially with Pettite’s back giving him trouble.”

    I’m not worried. It’s spring training. This game especially doesn’t sound too worrisome to me. In the second inning he had 3 ground balls that could’ve been DP’s. If one of those is a double play the score is either 1-0 or 2-0 at most. This Philly team is a good offense so to summarize I’m not worried.

  96. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Okay, for everyone who chastised us for talking about Abreu’s fear of the wall needs to man up. The Phillies guys are chuckling about Abreu having issues with the wall.

    I wonder how fast Gardner was on that last out. He was too deep, but got in under the ball to make the play. Speed is good.

  97. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    And here we go…

  98. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Arod swings and ground out on the first pitch. 1 out.

    What im liking about Wang this year is he’s getting more strikeouts.

  99. karebear March 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Agree with J Train – it seems like the past two seasons, Wang’s gotten off to a slow start. I’m not too worried.

  100. mel March 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    I heard that Philly has good defense, but this is getting rediculous.

  101. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Giambi grounds out. 2 quick outs. They must have plans later on. Swinging at first pitches.

  102. Rishi March 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    ugh – that is so irritating…Anybody know Wang’s pitch count?

  103. Andrea March 26th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    The Phillies radio announcers are boring as hell.

  104. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Inning over Betimet grounds out to first. 4-0 phils

  105. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 26th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    yeah, they cant wait for the regular season to start. this is the time of spring training where the players(specifically the position players) are ready to go and want to start the season.

  106. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) March 26th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    Do they have big party with tons of beautiful girls after game? It sound likes they are in a hurry mood without focus.

  107. fleas (almost always negative) March 26th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    mel, I love Brett Gardner.. I hope he gets a shot thus year. I am not saying that he is better/worse than Cabrera, but I like having his speed in the bases.. he is hitting real well this spring too.. who knows, Cano was not all that much a star in the minors.. but look at him now.

    AS for CMW, yes.. I am concerned about him. He has not had one good outing this spring.. and if you remember his September last year he could not get that 20th win (I am not going to mention his post season). I am sensing that he has an arm/shoulder problem he is not copping to.

    Here we are again with pitching problems and the season has not even started. Pet = bad back, Wang = what’s up with him, Moose = I’ll hold on to his 4 inning perfect game and wait and see…

    without Wang or Pet at their absolute bests we are doomed! Without the Wang AND Pet, forget about it.

    If you don’t have concerns about out pitching (SP/RP) than I think you are in fantasy land.

  108. Patrick March 26th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    jessica, they are all going to Jose Canseco’s house after the game for a big party to celebrate his new book.

  109. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 26th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    and Bret Myers is a really good pitcher too, so that could also have something to do with it.

  110. Mike R. - Once you’ve seen one gyroball, you’ve seen ‘em all March 26th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Andrea – I agree, but they are FAR from the worst I’ve heard. I’ll take boring over annoying every time.

  111. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) March 26th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    You’re right.Wang did got off slow start the past two season and got hot around May.

  112. karebear March 26th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    I seem to recall this team being “doomed” several times over the past two seasons and coming out with among the best record in baseball. I’m not concerned at this point, and I’m also very grounded in reality.

  113. mel March 26th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Wang had an injury last season. Defense didn’t help Wang in that 2nd inning, but he was still leaving his pitches up and seems to have settled down. He usually explains that away by saying he’s too strong. Would a longer warmup before a game help?

  114. Andrea March 26th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Mike R: agreed. but I’m SO BORED at work. I was hoping they’d keep me awake!

    Is there any way to get Wang going before May?

  115. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    “Spring don’t mean sh**, dude.”
    Latroy Hawkins 3/25/08

  116. gayle March 26th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Fleas glad to know your MD has allowed you to tell us that Wang has arm shoulder problems

  117. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Eep, hope he’s okay.

  118. Andrea March 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    I missed that…why is his nose bleeding?

  119. yb March 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    how about detroits great pick up on willis?
    line for today so far
    Willis 2.0 6 5 5 3 2 0

  120. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Wang is going to be fine…when I was his teammate in Staten Island, he even took a little longer to get it together.

  121. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Gardner hits a ball of the plate and it hits him in the mouth. Gets replaced due to bleeding.

    Castro strikes out inning over.

  122. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) March 26th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    I just missed that. What happened to Gardner?

  123. karebear March 26th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Whose nose is bleeding?

  124. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    yb: I think Florida will come off better in that deal.

    Fleas: I get that you’re always negative, but saying “we’re doomed” doesn’t actually help anyone.

  125. mel March 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    SoS,

    I got something for you, but you have to promise me you’ll watch the whole thing, okay? Pop & Timmy have a cameo role.

  126. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Can we use Wang for a first and second late innings. We need a pinch hitter to lay down a bunt and move over the runners? Pinch bunter.

  127. Andrea March 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    That can’t feel good.

  128. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    mel,
    As long as it doesnt have ball hogg on it, i promise.

  129. Marv Albert March 26th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    yessssss

  130. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Radio Guys are talking about “The Rookie” (Jim Morris)
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0265662/

    This is a very good baseball movie.

  131. Dinato March 26th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Elliot Spitzer should throw out the first ball next week :)

  132. mel March 26th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    No, no Kevin Durant. lol.

    You should watch it anyway.

    http://tinyurl.com/3douur

  133. Patrick March 26th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    J Train, I’ve read several posts of yours referencing time you spent in the minors. I didn’t realize you were in the Yankee system, would you be willing to say who you are?

  134. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) March 26th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    pitch count for Wang,anyone?

  135. mel March 26th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Good question, Jessica. They were going to dial him back to 75, but it seems much more than that, huh?

  136. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Hey guys, I’m gonna have to turn the game off to get some work done. Later =)

  137. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Just checking in to say that I have real concerns about Wang and WTF!!! Like what is his problem? Can he pitch or can’t he pitch? Does he forget everything he knows every other game? I don’t get it.

  138. Motown Yankees Fan March 26th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Trisha – spring training. Don’t start worrying until Monday.

  139. mel March 26th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    :twisted: JETER! j/k

  140. Patrick March 26th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    lolz wang is done

    hes pissed at the yankees because they didn’t give him enough money in arbitration!

  141. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Motown, while I hear ya, Wang seems to be made of that for the last several years! But okay, I’ll do my best to wait it out. Ohlendorf on the mound now. (I decided to listen to the game).

  142. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    mel,
    Now that i wasted 5 minutes of my life watching Jordan wannabe.

    Was funny though. It was like a song with scratching a chalk board in it.

  143. mel March 26th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Ohlendorf in.

  144. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    I like Ohlendorf. These guys are saying they don’t think he’ll make the team. How do they know?

  145. Motown Yankees Fan March 26th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Trisha – I am a bit concerned too, but trying to ignore it. The playoff performance still bums me out.

    Also, the announcers and Ohlendorf? They’ve got to make conversation, no?

  146. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 26th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Patrick…..I prefer to keep my anonymity, not that its a big deal, I really didnt play much so you probably wouldnt recognize my name. I spent 2 years in the yankees system playing for Greensboro and Staten Island respectively.

  147. OCL FL March 26th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    2008 Gameday link
    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....de=gameday

  148. raymagnetic â„¢ March 26th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    “Here we are again with pitching problems and the season has not even started. Pet = bad back, Wang = what’s up with him, Moose = I’ll hold on to his 4 inning perfect game and wait and see…

    without Wang or Pet at their absolute bests we are doomed! Without the Wang AND Pet, forget about it.”

    I love this. The Yankees have played 0 games that mean something and already they are doomed. lol Fleas I hope you aren’t planning on watching a doomed team all year lol.

  149. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    “These guys are saying they don’t think he’ll make the team. How do they know?”

    Well, that’s pretty much the buzz. I mean, he’s been good this spring, but not better than any of the other hard-throwers. And, he’s only been relieving for a year, so he could definitely benefit from some time working out of the pen in AAA. And, he picked up a splitty in the AFL, so he could also benefit from more time working on that.

    He could really develop into a late-inning weapon if he’s allowed time to work on the right things. If he’s trying to keep his job at the MLB level, he won’t be working on those things.

  150. Kat March 26th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    J Train, where do you live now?

  151. mel March 26th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    trisha,

    There’s just too many guys in front of him right now. He’s definitely a favorite though. The club’s needs and our needs just aren’t in synch. Speaking of, Justin Timberlake & nsynch are hosting the espy’s. Am I the only person in the world that thinks that guy is ugly, has no talent, and is not cool?

  152. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Motown, yes they do. I didn’t realize that Ohlendorf was a Princeton grad. Pretty cool.

    I feel that way about Wang’s playoff performances in general. I’m pretty sure he comparatively tanked it his first year also. Really surprised me.

  153. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    I really didnt play much so you probably wouldnt recognize my name. I spent 2 years in the yankees system playing for Greensboro and Staten Island respectively.

    C.J.is that you.

  154. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    “I spent 2 years in the yankees system playing for Greensboro and Staten Island respectively.”

    ::runs to baseball-reference.com::

    Not really.

  155. mel March 26th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    SoS,

    Thanks. You’re a true friend lol. I hope your eyes stop bleeding soon.

  156. Motown Yankees Fan March 26th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    S.O.S – good one

  157. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Mel, re: Timberlake. No, no, and yes. Or yes, yes, and no, depending on your read! I think he’s pretty cool but agree with the other things. I liked him on SNL.

  158. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    “I’m pretty sure he comparatively tanked it his first year also.”

    He got grounder after grounder that sneaked through and got burned on a bunt that Giambi threw away. He pitched fine, but his team let him down on D and didn’t score any runs.

  159. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Tough to try to work, listen and post!

    :)

  160. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Wang still scares me and also pisses me off. I’m just not getting the inconsistency. Just not.

  161. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    whozat-::runs to baseball-reference.com::

    Not really.

    What does that mean? Did he misremember?

  162. Yazman March 26th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Thanks, Jimmy. We should probably repeat this every dozen posts or so until the season starts ;)

    “Spring don’t mean sh**, dude.”
    Latroy Hawkins 3/25/08

  163. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    “Wang still scares me and also pisses me off. I’m just not getting the inconsistency. Just not.”

    Yeah, those two years of 19 wins and an ERA in the mid 3s is wildly inconsistent. Really makes me angry. I hate it when homegrown, cheap pitchers are really good.

    Grr.

  164. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    So. Umm. Raise your hand if you’re NOT a baseball or Yankee insider.

    Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

  165. keith March 26th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    wtf? Wang’s postseason stats prior to 2007:

    ERA W L SV CG IP H ER BB SO
    1.35 0 1 0 0 6.2 6 1 0 1
    4.05 1 0 0 0 6.2 8 3 1 4

  166. anti-mussina March 26th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    he was soooo good in the playoffs last year! right whozat?

  167. Jorge Steinbrenner, the long-lost third brother March 26th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    fleas:

    who doesn’t have concerns as to their pitching?

    continuing to express concern as to OUR pitching, however, because of what you’re seeing in Spring Training, after every poste, blog, conventional wisdom, and Jesus himself, is telling you not to place much stock in what you see in Spring Training……that’s just choosing NOT to understand what Spring Training is all about. you’re choosing to be the eternal pessimist.

  168. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    “What does that mean? Did he misremember?”

    nononono, I was implying that I was going to run over to baseball-reference, download rosters and start trying to figure out who he is.

    But I’m not really going to do that. It would be very, very creepy. :-)

  169. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    All of you are forgetting that Wang had that nail problem last year which effected his sinker. I havnt heard that being a problem this year. Which is a good thing. Again he is working on his second pitch in spring. Look at his strikeouts per 9 this spring and all the grounders he allowed today. Wang is the last pitcher to worry about.

  170. raymagnetic â„¢ March 26th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    “I feel that way about Wang’s playoff performances in general. I’m pretty sure he comparatively tanked it his first year also. Really surprised me.”

    Huh?

    Wang’s previous postseason performances

    2005 – 6.2IP’s 1ER
    2006 – 6.2 IP’s 3ER

    Yeah he really tanked it in 05 and 06. That Wang is a bum a tell you.

  171. Motown Yankees Fan March 26th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Rebecca – I’ve raised my hand. Just a fan from the 70s with minimal baseball knowledge. Although I do have Catfish Hunter’s personalized autograph.

  172. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Look, I guess I don’t much care what you think of my thought processes on Wang. I don’t care about his WL record. Don’t forget pals that he his a boatload of offense behind him. If you’ve watched every game he pitches, as I have, you’ve been treated to a very inconsistent pitcher. Offense bailing him out doesn’t make me sleep better at night. Also, he totally sucked against Cleveland in the playoffs. It is what it is.

  173. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    GO JOBA!

  174. gayle March 26th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Joba time

  175. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Okay fair is fair. I forgot about his nail problem.

  176. anti-mussina March 26th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    wang’s last good game was against the mets.

  177. Patrick March 26th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    If Chien-Ming Wang’s pitching performance keeps you awake at night then you have much bigger problems that you should deal with.

  178. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    I raise my hand to. But i think Jeter looked at me warming up once and i did stay at a holliday inn.

    mel-you owe me big time for watching it. Like buying a Spurs jersey if the win it all and wearing it.

  179. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    I’m taking a survey. Would you drive 3 and 1/2 hours, one way, to go to opening day at the Stadium and sit in sucky seats? That’s what I’m doing and I’m not convinced it’s the best thing to do. If it was a 20 minute ride, I might feel better about it.

  180. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 26th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Kat I live in Manhattan now…went to HS in Staten Island

  181. Patrick March 26th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    anti-mussina, Just curious but is there a single Yankee you actually like? Also what is your prediction for this season? Playoffs, no playoffs, 95 wins, 65 wins?

  182. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    “Offense bailing him out doesn’t make me sleep better at night.”

    Yeah, those guys with a 3.7 ERA REALLY need the offense to bail them out all the time.

  183. Yankees Ben March 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Tell these guys Brett Muers was also in the pen last year and they brought him back as a starter cuz he can win like 15 games!

  184. Motown Yankees Fan March 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Trisha – I would. I am driving about an hour. Opening day is such a fun game. Plus, it’s the last one at the old stadium.

  185. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    nononono, I was implying that I was going to run over to baseball-reference, download rosters and start trying to figure out who he is.

    You might not be a creep. But you gave all the creeps an idea. Let me know what you guys find out.

  186. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    J Train,
    what did you and your teammates think of CMW?
    Were you surprised how he turned out?

  187. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Well Patrick, another way to look at it is this. If his pitching is my biggest problem I have a very clear head – which I do. And a good set of eyes. Which I do. And a really good mind. Which I do. If you haven’t noticed that Wang is an inconsistent pitcher, perhaps you need a baseball primer. Which I don’t.

  188. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Thanks Motown. That’s what I needed to hear. I’m going for it.

  189. Mike R. - Once you’ve seen one gyroball, you’ve seen ‘em all March 26th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Trisha – I took a 3 hour flight from San Juan to NY stayed on a cot in a family member’s basement for the weekend in order to see my first Yankee game in the nose bleed seats last year so in my opinion Yes. It is definitely worth it.

  190. karebear March 26th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Trisha – yes, final opening day at the Stadium. It’s gonna be cold, and I hate to be cold, but I still feel priviledged that I’ll be there.

  191. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 March 26th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    What about that start Wang had against Seattle in the beginning of September? Or that one where he took a no-no bid against Boston to the seventh?

    Right. Thought so.

    I would rather have Wang over Dice-K, 365 days a year.

  192. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Guys you really need to learn not to cry up a storm when someone says something you don’t agree with.

  193. raymagnetic â„¢ March 26th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    “Look, I guess I don’t much care what you think of my thought processes on Wang. I don’t care about his WL record. Don’t forget pals that he his a boatload of offense behind him. If you’ve watched every game he pitches, as I have, you’ve been treated to a very inconsistent pitcher. Offense bailing him out doesn’t make me sleep better at night. Also, he totally sucked against Cleveland in the playoffs. It is what it is.”

    In order to have a 3.63 and a 3.70 ERA and an ERA+ of 122 and 120 the past two years a pitcher would have to be either be very lucky or very good.

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say he’s very good.

    Wang wasn’t good against Cleveland in the playoffs but he was good against Anaheim and Detroit therefore I say it’s a wash.

  194. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Rebecca, see if you can follow the bouncing ball. My first post recognized that Wang has had good games. Kay? Feel better now? Hope so!

  195. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Mike R- Mr.Anti Anti President. We have a breach in our blog. What do we do?

    Signed.
    Assistant President.

  196. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Trisha,
    Have you been to an opening day before?
    If not, you have to go.
    Opening day is pretty rowdy, especially in the cheap seats.
    3.5 hours – that’s tough

    You will be going to other games this season, correct?

  197. Motown Yankees Fan March 26th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    So what’s Joba doing?

  198. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Thanks all for the comments on opening day. I’m there.

    About Wang? You are all actually entitled to your opinions, which still doesn’t change the fact that he is an inconsistent pitcher.

  199. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    trisha,
    Some of us would die to be 3 hours away. More like 7 days straight driving. No brainer.

  200. Bad Scooter March 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    mel
    March 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    “Okay, for everyone who chastised us for talking about Abreu’s fear of the wall needs to man up. The Phillies guys are chuckling about Abreu having issues with the wall.”

    I don’t think anybody admitted that Abreu was not timid around the RF wall. However, most logical baseball people who had a clue agreed that they’d rather have a guy hit over .300, get on base at a .410 clip, steal 25 bases, drive in and score 100+ runs, have an OPS+ of 135, have a good arm, etc. and not crash into walls than have a guy who crashed into walls and sucked. You get it now?

  201. anti-mussina March 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    anti-mussina, Just curious but is there a single Yankee you actually like? Also what is your prediction for this season? Playoffs, no playoffs, 95 wins, 65 wins?

    players i think are good: arod, hughes, chamberlain, duncan, cano

    i think we will make the playoffs because we have a very strong offense. i also think we will be eliminated in the AL championship game and next year we will win it all.

  202. M & M March 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Can anyone tell me if the announcer on the phillies today was with WFAN (mets) last year?

  203. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    I predict Eli will throw out the first pitch on opening day. They’ll love that in beantown.

  204. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    And his inconsistency is what I have questioned. I didn’t threaten to kill his family nor did I declare him to be a total failure. And no matter what you say, his inconsistency will still be maddening to me, since like the little girl with the little curl – when (s)he is good (s)he is very very good…

  205. Bad Scooter March 26th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Trisha,

    Get a clue. 19 wins in consecutive years is consistent. He has more wins than any other pitcher in baseball the last two years. Worry about something else.

  206. gayle March 26th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Trish

    Last opening day at Yankee Stadium no matter where you sit or how far you travel is lilterally a once in a lifetime experience. So for me yes I would do it.

    I of course will only be going over the GW Bridge to sit in the bleachers so cant really compare. I keep looking at the 10 day forecast and it keeps changing to colder and wetter.

  207. The J Train- Save The Drama For Yo Mama March 26th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Jimmy,

    CMW was a man amongst boys. He was the best pitcher in the NY-Penn league, hands down. Everyone knew he was going to be a very good major league pitcher then…partly because he was given alot of money and the ther part was how good he actually was.

    He didnt throw the sinker like he does now, he threw more sliders and split fingers, but he had great control and threew SMOKE. He used to sit at 96-97 all game. He was the reason we won the championship in 2000, he was mid 90′s Pedro dominant that season.

  208. Yazman March 26th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    “Offense bailing him out doesn’t make me sleep better at night.”

    For the regular season, the Yanks would likely do better with pitchers who are consistently league average, rather than pitchers who are brilliant one day and get lit up the next.

    If an SP gives up 4 runs per start, the Yanks will win most of those games. But if he alternates shutouts with 8 run blowouts, it will be worse.

    Come playoffs though, we want 2-3 guys in lights-out mode.

  209. raymagnetic â„¢ March 26th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Wang’s 2007 ERA by month

    April – 5.84 (only 12.1 innings)
    May – 3.53
    June – 3.56
    July – 3.03
    August – 4.42
    September/Oct – 3.27

    Yes he’s wildly inconsistent Trish.

  210. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    “If you haven’t noticed that Wang is an inconsistent pitcher, perhaps you need a baseball primer. Which I don’t.”

    Perhaps you do need one. You _do_ understand that every pitcher has bad games, right?

    Wang went less than 6 innings 3 times last year. He gave up about 2-3 homers a month. He walked more than three batters 5 times all season.

    Seriously…what is it you’re looking for?

  211. Joe March 26th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    anti-mussina,
    You actually think Wang’s last good game was against the Mets. What about that late August afternoon against Boston when he pitched 7 innings and gave up only 1 hit?

    M & M, yes, Tom McCarthy now does Phillies games, he was with the Mets the last 2 years.

  212. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Trisha,
    What pitcher or pitchers(on any team)do you see as being consistant?

  213. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Thanks J Train,
    must have been fun

  214. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Jimmy, I’ve done opening day. I have to say that I paid a fortune for seats one year and sat in field boxes but behind the net. I tried to get a package that had 13 games (including opening, old timer’s and closing) but by the time I got let into the system only the real expensive packages were left.

    I’ve been trying to go on eBay and stubhub to look for tickets for those two games (old timers and closing) and they are beyond expensive! And I don’t know the Stadium well enough to know whether Tier Reserved, row A, are decent seats! Most of the affordable tickets seem to be tier seats. At least what I can afford. And they are going upwards of $400!

  215. raymagnetic â„¢ March 26th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    “players i think are good: arod, hughes, chamberlain, duncan, cano”

    Is there any wonder why anti-mussina sounds like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

    Posada/Matsui/Jeter/Mo etc. aren’t good? Anti-Mussina is your real name Mr. Dumass?

  216. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Trisha, you’re disagreeing with facts. That’s the problem. The guy has about 20-25 starts a year where he goes 6+ innings, walks 2-3 guys, doesn’t give up a homer, and gives up 3 or fewer runs. Yes, sometimes he does worse than that — like every single pitcher in baseball. His numbers don’t vary widely from month to month. They don’t vary widely from year to year. They usually don’t vary widely from game to game.

    Other than a bad postseason last year (portended by a weak September), what is it about him that you find “inconsistent”?

  217. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    This Carpenter guy is a stud. Struck out the last 4 batters.

  218. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Gayle, I actually wanted bleacher seats because I thought it would be a great experience and a lot of fun but the person I’m going with said the only place he would not sit is the bleachers.

    Ray, giving me a month by month ERA proves nothing. Meanwhile, looking at his ERA for those months just makes me feel worse.

    Again, maybe the problem with his nail accounts for his bad games.

  219. anti-mussina March 26th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    yeah im dumb for not agreeing with you. grow up raymagnetic.

    anyway heres what i think of those players:
    posada – due for a down year
    matsui – always banged up
    jeter – no defense, singles hitter
    mo – arm is going to fall off

  220. William Buckner March 26th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Just catching up. How can a guy who leads MLB in wins over the last two years and was in the top five both years in CY be inconsistent?

    Sorry, don’t mean to jump on an opinion cause we all have one’s about our team that others might not agree with, but I can’t see that one.

  221. Blargh March 26th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    I assume that trisha wouldn’t take Peavy, Sabathia, or Carmona either

  222. anti-mussina March 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    here is the 09 yankees rotation:
    sabathia, chamberlain, hughes, wang, kennedy

    pettitte – not resigned.

  223. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Posada/Matsui/Jeter/Mo etc. aren’t good? Anti-Mussina is your real name Mr. Dumass?

    How would you pronounce that.lol.
    Have you seen the commercial?

  224. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Lots of posts so sorry if I am not quick enough in response. I’m trying to do this from work so it isn’t that easy.

  225. Drive 4-5 March 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Joba had a little control issue today with a 4 pitch walk followed by a wild pitch. He’s out after striking out the next batter and Traber is in.

  226. as2008 March 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Whats going on right now, my comp keeps freezing. Can anyone sum it up for me. Did I miss anything exciting? What inning are we in?

  227. William Buckner March 26th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    arod – overrated steriod user
    cano – immature
    abreu – afraid of walls
    hughes – blind in one eye
    girardi – cheated at Nortwestern.

    Come on dude – really? That last missed the playoffs when?

  228. Patrick March 26th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Blargh,

    5 Walter Johnson’s or nothing.

  229. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    A sinker ball pitcher who throws a game where his damned sinker doesn’t sink is an inconsistent pitcher. I don’t miss a Yankee game on television. Not one. I watch every game played and every pitch pitched. I have seen Wang have games where his pitches are high. It seems to happer every other game. If part of the problem is his nail so be it.

    A consistent pitcher? Try Pettitte.

  230. anti-mussina March 26th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    William Buckner – a gay man

  231. Jeff NJ March 26th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    I really like what’ve I seen out of Ohlendorf and Traber. I think the bullpen may actually be a strength this year. Plus there will be plenty of good options with Veras, Bruney and a kid who emerges like Horne, Marquez or Sanchez. The future is bright indeed.

  232. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    1 out bottom 8th. Bruney in the game.

  233. raymagnetic â„¢ March 26th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    “How would you pronounce that.lol.
    Have you seen the commercial?”

    I’ve definitely seen the commercial. That’s where I got it from.

  234. Blargh March 26th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Patrick:
    Hmm, good choice
    Though I might go for 5 Christy Mathewson’s ;)

  235. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    as, I tuned in late. It’s the 7th inning. 4-0 Phils. CM gave up 4 ER.

  236. gayle March 26th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Trish i got the Holiday package which included Opening Day and Old Timers day for the bleachers. Also got last game Bleachers as well.

    My regular season tickets Saturday games (not including Old Timers Day) are field box 2nd row in left field used to be known as Matsui Central now to be known as Damon’s Den.

    I have never sat in the Bleachers so I am looking forward to it at the very least it will be an experience.

  237. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Sorry, later than I thought.

  238. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Tiguchi hits a 1 out double on Bruney.

  239. frits March 26th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    this comment board is going to the dogs. too many trolls, too many people offering their opinions like they’re scouts.

  240. raymagnetic â„¢ March 26th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    “A consistent pitcher? Try Pettitte.”

    And yet Wang has been a better pitcher than Pettitte since Wang’s been in the league. Incredible.

  241. anti-mussina March 26th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    wang will win 25 games this year with 3.30 era.

  242. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Trisha,
    I wanted a Sunday package just to get the last game – i had to settle for a sat package. I’ll watch the ceremonies on tv.
    “And I don’t know the Stadium well enough to know whether Tier Reserved, row A, are decent seats! Most of the affordable tickets seem to be tier seats. At least what I can afford. And they are going upwards of $400″

    If really want to go get them now. Stub-hub has an interactice map. Last game will be old timers ++++
    I would pass on old timers day

  243. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Wang is younger than Pettitte. Pettitte has had injuries. Pettitte is consistent.

  244. frits March 26th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    CMW is a legit starter. and you don’t measure inconsistency by your own impressions of where his sinker is in the zone when you watch the game on tv. you use things like…stats. and if you look at his monthly splits, as raymagnetic did, you’d know that most teams would take his “inconsistency” every day of the week and twice on sunday.

  245. William Buckner March 26th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    wow – you know how to cut to my core.

    Go back to a Red Sox blog or at least bring something to the table. And I’m not gay. Not that there’s is anything wrong with that.

  246. anti-mussina March 26th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    googling stats is like using the computer to form your own opinion. are you guys robots? make up your own opinion.

  247. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Patrick
    March 26th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
    Blargh,

    5 Walter Johnson’s or nothing.

    Can we add Bob Gibson to that. I heard he was good.

  248. gayle March 26th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    I think Traber solidified his position as the LH reliever today.

  249. anti-mussina March 26th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    william buckner – you’re the one who said arod is on roids. go back to the redsox board, chowder face.

  250. Motown Yankees Fan March 26th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    I think Buckner was kidding (weren’t you?)

  251. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    “I have seen Wang have games where his pitches are high. It seems to happer every other game.”

    Oh no! A pitcher that has some games where he doesn’t have his best stuff! He must be terrible!

    Every single pitcher has these games. “It seems” is code for “I have no evidence to back this up, but I’m going to say this like it’s true anyway”.

    What’s more likely? That Wang manages to post consistent numbers despite being wildly inconsistent, or that several solid games in a row just kind of blend together and the anomalies stick out in your mind?

    Pettitte? A model of consistency? Do you remember the HEINOUS stretch he went through in the middle of the season? Pettitte started very, very well and ended well, but from early june to mid July he was WILDLY inconsistent.

  252. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    frits, this isn’t my first year watching baseball. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one, especially if you are a stats freak. I don’t keep my head buried in stats to figure out life because well you know what they say about being able to manipulate statistics to have them say whatever you want them to say.

    But here is a baseball 101 maxim that you really can take to the bank. And yeah, you have some pretty UNREFUTABLE statistics involved. A pitcher who gets more run support than one who doesn’t is going to have a much better record. So if you insist on using statistics as your bible I’m afraid you’ll have to do a lot better than to tell me that someone’s ERA, especially one that is a lot higher than I’d like to see, stays basically the same so that makes them consistent. No it does not, not necessarily. It may mean nothing more than they suck every other game – as I have suggested about Wang, though I wasn’t being literal about each and every game.

  253. frits March 26th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    whozat – but wang’s pitches are up in the zone sometimes!

    lol. nice!

  254. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Would that make Sabathia inconsistant as well? He had a horrible playoff.

  255. William Buckner March 26th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Yes. J/K
    I dont believe arod is gassed
    Phil Hughes probably has 20 20 vision
    and I’m sure Joe didn’t cheat in college.
    I’m from Scranton, not New England and Buckner is in tribute to when BoSucks blew it in 86.

  256. anti-mussina March 26th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    just watch pettitte vs the indians and watch wang vs the indians.

  257. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Wasnt Pettite the one that gave up 9 runs in the first inning of the game we scored 9 right back?

  258. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    “are you guys robots? make up your own opinion.”

    God forbid I base my opinion on actual facts.

    I watch the games and see what I see. I look at the numbers to give me greater insight. Memory is selective. We remember outliers and anomalous performances. Great performances and terrible ones. The data lets us take a broader view.

    Why would I _not_ use the available data to inform my opinion?

  259. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    I think I have it figured out. Whozat, frits and Ray are sold on Wang. Do I have that about right? Well whoopee do, go for it. I’m still not thrilled with the pitcher he has become. Last I looked that was my right as an American. Thank you for remembering that.

    Or as my dad would always say, you zig your way and I’ll zug mine.

  260. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    frits, I always worry about people who use “lol”. You didn’t disappoint.

  261. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    William Buckner

    From a kidder. I knew you were kidding. But I have to say,im not a fan of your name.

  262. anti-mussina March 26th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Wasnt Pettite the one that gave up 9 runs in the first inning of the game we scored 9 right back? -

    NO THATS CLEMENS

  263. Brian from PA March 26th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    SoS

    i don’t know what game you’re talking about..you may be thinking of the game where Clemens gave up 8 runs to the White Sox in the top of the 2nd, but Garland gave up 8 to the Yanks in the bottom of the 2nd.

  264. keith March 26th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    It was 8 runs and it was Clemens

  265. Yankees Ben March 26th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Wasnt Pettite the one that gave up 9 runs in the first inning of the game we scored 9 right back? -

    NO THATS CLEMENS

    That was 8 runs. Was by this game, what a game..
    But we lost it at the end.

  266. Motown Yankees Fan March 26th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Buckner – I’ll chime in to say I love your name. The “behind the bag” play was the best, non-Yankee related baseball play I have ever seen live. I was at Grass Roots that night with bunch of Yankee fans/Sox haters and we were ecstatic. I figured your name was a tribute to that play.

  267. Sara March 26th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    anyone know why they took joba out of the game without finishing the inning?

  268. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    anti-mussina, thanks. I am really big on independent thinking. I find cloning to be a little too incestuous.

  269. Yankees Ben March 26th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Wow what a performance by carpenter.

  270. Blargh March 26th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    “Last I looked that was my right as an American.”

    Maybe your right as a sports fan, but nothing to do with your status as an American citizen.

  271. frits March 26th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    trisha – glad you cleared up the fact that you have a juridical right to form your own opinion. there were a few fascists on this blog lurking, threatening to take away people’s right to speak their own mind.

    i don’t have the time to get you a complete log of all his starts in 2007, but in order for your claim to be correct, that he alternates between great and sucky every other start, and yet still achieves an ERA in the mid 3s, he’s going to have to have produced outings that switched between 0 and 6 ERA, in order to achieve a mean of mid 3. pretty sure that’s not the case.

    whether or not i’m “sold” on wang is irrelevant, and a straw man. what is relevant is actual statistics, the only remaining proof we have of his performance. i can’t go on your perception of his sinker to ascertain his consistency. i can go on his record, on WHIP, ERA, ERA+, etc.

  272. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Thanks guys. Yes that was the game. 9 runs sounds better. Sorry. I misspoke.

  273. frits March 26th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    i’m done. this is why i try not to read the comments.

  274. raymagnetic â„¢ March 26th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    “I don’t keep my head buried in stats to figure out life because well you know what they say about being able to manipulate statistics to have them say whatever you want them to say.

    But here is a baseball 101 maxim that you really can take to the bank. And yeah, you have some pretty UNREFUTABLE statistics involved.”

    Yes, you don’t use statistics but you back up what you’re saying with STATISTICS. Brilliant!

    However what you don’t understand is that ERA+ is used to normalize statistics. Wang’s ERA+ the past two years were 124 and 121. That is a model of consistency no matter what you want to believe.

  275. E-ROC March 26th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Poor Gardner.

  276. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    frits, I stay away from stats, or let me say I don’t form an opinion on stats. I go with what I observe. I find anecdotal data to be a lot more telling than cold stats. I will use stats to back up what I say, so to that extent, when I have some free time I will not only do a little research, I will also link to the sportswriters gameday observations. Then we will get the real story, right? Right.

  277. Jorge Steinbrenner, the long-lost third brother March 26th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    I wonder what Bobcat thinks….. ;)

  278. al arodien March 26th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    yankees ben! it was a hell of a game. but i really enjoyed having the chance to boo roger clemens!he stunk that day. and of course the defence didnt help him.

  279. Russell NY March 26th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Typical… bases loaded, no outs, no runs, game over.

  280. anti-mussina March 26th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    wang will always be inconsistent because hes a sinker pitcher and he will put people on base. good thing his sinker is good enough, it allows him to wiggle out of many jams.

    if you just look at stats you will be fooled into thinking wang is consistent but really he is not. good job to all who got fooled.

  281. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    William Buckner.
    Now that you explained the reason for the name,Its not bad after all. Thank you for 86 Bill.

  282. Brian from PA March 26th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    i was at that game where we swapped 8 spots with chicago. it was a very long, very miserable top of the 2nd…but then i was having a really good time in the bottom of the 2nd!! i think it was Posada who blooped one down the right field line that somehow dropped in fair territory and he got a double out of it and tied the game. that was a pretty good game, too bad the white sox won. our pen blew it late i think. so surprise there.

  283. NYSuperFan March 26th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    “Typical… bases loaded, no outs, no runs, game over.”

    so frustrating

  284. Bad Scooter March 26th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Trish,

    Then there really are not that many pitchers by your definition that you would characterize as consistent. Pettitte? He’s as up and down as any body. 0 ER one start, 4 ER the next. 2 ER one start, 5 ER the next. I don’t understand what you’re getting at. Of all our starting pitchers the last few years Wang would be one of the only ones who has been consistent. You’re not making much sense.

  285. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Trisha
    I agree with you about “lol”
    Really enjoyed following the CMW discussion.

  286. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    “I’m afraid you’ll have to do a lot better than to tell me that someone’s ERA, especially one that is a lot higher than I’d like to see, stays basically the same so that makes them consistent.”

    I did. I talked about walk rate, HR rate, IP per start. I looked at his game log from 2007.

    Also…an ERA in the mid-high 3′s is a lot higher than you’d like to see??? Have you looked at Pettitte’s career? It’s very, very good in my mind, but I can’t understand how you think it’s good, given what you’re saying about Wang.

  287. keith March 26th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    trisha, no

  288. William Buckner March 26th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Your welcome.

    It interesting to hear people are forming opinions from observation and not facts. Numbers don’t lie. A 3.75 era is better then 4.25 whether it’s my opinion or not.

  289. Brian from PA March 26th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    i’m outta here. this could go on all day.

  290. saucY March 26th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    what a day to have actual work to do :)

  291. mike March 26th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    trisha,

    u rock! i also find wang inconsistent as he doesn’t dominate every single game… :D

  292. nyyfaninlaaland March 26th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Arguing about opinions is tantamount to pissing into the wind.

    People who value opinion without testing them against data aren’t going to be swayed by data based arguments. They rely on their eyes and hearts. That eyewitness accounts are so unreliable is meaningless to them.

    Not to dish on you Trisha – Wang does have stretches where some things aren’t working for him. But so does every single pitcher. One has to watch to get a true feel for things that raw data doesn’t fill, but also has to be aware that we see with our eyes and our brains, and the latter can be colored by emotion. We have the right to our opinion – and the responsibility to test it against alternate info for it’s veracity. Off soapbox.

  293. Patrick March 26th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    My impression of is that he is wildly inconsistent from start to start. His is sometimes not perfect. Prove me wrong.

    That’s basically Trisha’s entire argument.

  294. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    As SJ and others stated yesterday. If all we have to worry about is whose going to be our long man and now Wang. We’re going to be World Series Champs.

  295. Patrick March 26th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    doh my message isn’t showing up right. it is supposed to read:

    My impression of [pitcher] is that he is wildly inconsistent from start to start. His [pitch] is sometimes not perfect. Prove me wrong.

    That’s basically Trisha’s entire argument.

  296. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    saucY
    what a day to have actual work to do.

    Hows your computer runnin? Did you take my mouse solution advice?

  297. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    “i don’t have the time to get you a complete log of all his starts in 2007″

    it took me 2 minutes with google.

    http://tinyurl.com/2cc7r3

    Wang is a groundball pitcher. He gets lots of groundballs. Some get through. Some don’t. Which ones get through and which don’t has little to do with him as a pitcher. He has some bad starts, like anyone, where his stuff isn’t working. Sometimes he figures out how to get outs without it. Sometimes, he doesn’t.

    But when you look up at the end of the year and he’s gone 6+ innings in 27 of his 30 starts, has a WHIP of 1.29 (1.25 and 1.31 the two years before…How inconsistent!), an ERA of 3.70, and the 2nd best GB/FB ratio in the league…it’s pretty clear that yes, this groundballer is usually getting his grounders, avoiding walks, avoiding giving up runs, and eating innings (6.2 IP per start on average).

  298. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    anti-mussina, thanks again. God it’s good to see someone think as opposed to spout stats. I had to live that nightmare on the NY Times. Except once-in-a-while, someone would come along and actually use discourse and think outside of the box. And you are right about Wang’s sinker. I guess we’ve been watching the same games. And yes, I’ll take all the good he can give. That still doesn’t make him consistent.

    Jimmy, thanks. And thanks for your feedback on Opening Day. You are right of course.

    A downside to having this kind of discussion, especially in the middle of a game (and while at work), is that we are relegated to hasty thoughts and sound bytes. I know Wang is inconsistent because I watch him pitch. Again, I didn’t say he is terrible. Just terribly inconsistent. And no bargain in the postseason.

    Oh well.

    I did find this little tidbit though. Guess I had the run support thing right:

    “Still, despite his high run support and a 19.06ERA in two postseason starts, Wang is seeking a raise to $4.6 million, which exceeds what Dontrelle Willis, now with Detroit, earned with Florida in 2006 ($4.35million) after going 22-10 the previous year.”

    19.06 ERA. Yeah I’ll take that any day!

  299. Manimal March 26th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    NOOOO BRETT!!! IS He ok?!??! If he is going to be the next ted williams bleeding from the mouth is not a good start.

  300. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    whozat,
    I think that calls for a raise. A 400k a year pitcher who has won the most games in the last 2 years. Gives us 6.2 innings a game. If we can only have 4 more of those we’d be set.

  301. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    By the way, I fully expect the Yanks to be WS champs. That’s the one thing that is never in doubt for me!

    :)

  302. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Mike, that’s all I’m saying. Thanks for getting it!

    :)

  303. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Does anyone know when the Yanks will announce who makes the pen? Theres only 4 more days left. Will he wait it out till the last day?

  304. Florida Yank March 26th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Oh noez!!!1 A 19.06 ERA in 2 games in 07 while having a post season ERA of 1.35 in 05 and a 4.05 ERA in 06. He must be wildly inconsistent over a sample size of a whopping 19 post season innings.

    Independent thought is all well and good but when you’re wrong it makes you look ignorant.

  305. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    “Guess I had the run support thing right:”

    Why does that matter? He still only allowed 3.70 runs per nine. If he had an ERA like 06 Beckett or 06 Johnson, THEN you’d have an argument.

    You’re the one who’s cherrypicking stats to try to prove your point, using small sample sizes, and generally ignoring any data that disagrees with you. One bad post-season, yep. He had it. It’s true.

    I watch just as many games as you do. I just take into account that I’m less likely to remember events that I expected to happen — like solid starts from good, consistent pitchers. I _know_ that I will remember the bad ones more than the good, so I go back and look at the numbers to see what actually happened in all those solid starts I forgot.

  306. Blargh March 26th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Quickly skimming over 2007 AL pitching stats, Wang would rank about 15th in ERA+ among starters with over 150 innings pitched (behind Beckett, Bedard, Buehrle, Carmona, Escobar, Guthrie, Kazmir, Lackey, Meche, Sabathia, Santana, Schilling, (Javier) Vasquez, Verlander) (Schilling lowest in IP at 151 innings, next lowest is Guthrie at 175-ish IP)

    Assuming 5 starters per AL team, that means that the rate at which Wang gave up runs, after taking park into factor, is still better than about 90% of AL starters. I don’t care how consistent or inconsistent your method is if you can suppress the runs scored by the other teams against you over the season well, relative to everybody else trying to do the same thing.

  307. Blargh March 26th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Whoops, that should be better than 80%; assuming 5 starters per team and 15 teams for total of 75 starters

  308. saucY March 26th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    sos, computer’s running fine. your posts haven’t crashed my browser since that last time i mentioned. (no need to bug boss for a new PC) my head is so clouded with nonsense right now that i honestly don’t remember your mouse advice.

  309. saucY March 26th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    i have a question

    what’s the point of using tinyurl? who cares if the url is long? personally, i’d rather know what i’m clicking on.

  310. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    “Mike, that’s all I’m saying. Thanks for getting it!”

    Wait…seriously? Dominating every single game is your bar for a “consistent” pitcher? Show me one. Even the greats have bad games and bad years that have NOTHING to do with injury.

    Andy, for instance — who you cited as consistent — was wildly inconsistent from start to start through June and some of July. He gave up 8 runs in 1.2 innings to the A’s one start after giving up 2 runs in 7 innings to the O’s, just to cite one example. He repeatedly stated during this stretch that he felt good and strong, and didn’t know what was going on.

    I submit that there is no pitcher active right now that fits your definition of “consistent”. Therefore, talking to you is kinda pointless. At least I learned that yahoo sports keeps yearly game logs around for several seasons. That’s good to know for next time I’m talking to someone who’s actually capable of formulating a logical argument and reasoning about baseball.

  311. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    “what’s the point of using tinyurl? who cares if the url is long? personally, i’d rather know what i’m clicking on.”

    The blog was delaying some posts earlier that had links in them…I wasn’t sure what was causing that, but tinyurl links worked fine. So that’s why I used them here.

  312. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Florida Yank, you’ve helped make my point and I thank you.

    “Oh noez!!!1 A 19.06 ERA in 2 games in 07 while having a post season ERA of 1.35 in 05 and a 4.05 ERA in 06.”

    I started out by saying that Wang’s inconsistency had started to drive me crazy and I couldn’t figure out how he could be so good one start and so, well, not good the next. And yes, this comes from watching him pitch. When Wang started out for the Yankees he was great. So here’s what you’ve told me.

    Postseason (by the way, an important time of year if you want to get the big prize, and a time when a pitcher’s ERA can make or break a game)

    2005 – 1.35

    2006 – 4.05

    2007 – 19.06

    I’ll let you do the math from here. It’s not a pretty picture. Unless of course you think that allowing 4 runs a game or more is a formula for success in the postseason.

    Ladeedah.

    Catch you all later.

  313. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    I want to bang my head against a wall after reading Trisha’s comments.

  314. Nick in SF March 26th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    “wang will always be inconsistent….”

    Isn’t that consistence?

  315. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    whozat, dry your tears now. You don’t want anyone to see that you had a breakdown over someone disagreeing with your take. And I never asked you to talk to me, nor did I ask you to respond to me! See that’s the beauty in posting in someone’s blog. Nobody has a gun to your head to respond to anyone else!

    I do confess to being more impressed with people who are actually able to articulate their positions without trying to throw out stats as “the answer.”

    The fact that at least two or three others understood my position should make you at least realize (if you are capable) that your position does not corner the market on correctness nor do you necessarily have “the” answer. I never stated that my position needed to take the day, only that I was committed to it as my own and had evidence to back it up. That others have noted the same evidence tells me that there is at least some merit there.

    Now see ya!

  316. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    “Now see ya!”

    hopefully your leaving to play in traffic.

  317. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Standing O’Neil – yes, banging your head against a wall is a sign of true intelligence and a great ability to communicate with others. I, on the other hand, have no need to bang my head against a wall despite reading several opinions that vary from mine and with which I heartily disagree. But then I am pretty well adjusted in life. Sorry for your inability to take life as it comes!

  318. Florida Yank March 26th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    And you’ve helped make my point. 19 innings/4 games does not a sample size make.

  319. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    “hopefully your leaving to play in traffic.”

    Another sign of high intelligence. Let me guess. You’re about 10? And it’s “you’re”, not “your”.

  320. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Florida, yes you are right. But I’ve watched every game he’s pitched since he came to the Yankees, so I am dealing with more than that small sample size.

  321. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Trisha:

    No a sign of intelligence is being able to accept facts and come to an educated, calculated conclusion. You, as evidence from your idiotic post and ramblings about “inconsistency” apparently lack intelligence.

  322. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    “hopefully your leaving to play in traffic.”

    Another sign of high intelligence. Let me guess. You’re about 10? And it’s “you’re”, not “your”.

    Nope I’m 24 and I’m sooo sorry for using poor grammer on a message board. I will write “you’re” on the board 100 times if you’d like.

  323. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Well now don’t tell that to my clients. See they think I’m quite bright. I’m an attorney. One of the things you have to be able to do in order to get through law school and pass the bar is to use logic. Because you apparently have not watched Wang pitch enough is not any sign of MY lack of intelligence. And as there were others here that did not consider my posts either idiotic or rambling (I’m guessing they are bright guys), I’d have to say that your insecurities about people who have opinions that vary from yours are getting the best of you.

    I, on the other hand, have no problems with anyone who things Wang is wonderful. That’s the great thing about being secure within yourself. You don’t feel the need to throw fits or be terribly depracating about other people just because they DON’T see things the way you do. I don’t need anyone else’s permission in order to come to my own conclusions. That would include yours.

  324. Blargh March 26th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    “Unless of course you think that allowing 4 runs a game or more is a formula for success in the postseason.”

    Hmm…

    1996 – 5.68 era in ALDS, 3.60 era in ALCS, 5.91 era in WS
    1998 – 1.29 era in ALDS, 11.57 era in ALCS, 0 era in WS
    1999 – 1.23 era in ALDS, 2.45 era in ALCS, 12.27 era in WS
    2000 – 3.97 era in ALDS, 2.7 era in ALCS, 1.98 era in WS

    Well, 2000 was pretty nice, but does this picture really fit your demand for consistency?

  325. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    “grammer” It’s grammar. And you didn’t use poor grammar. You misspelled words.

  326. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Blargh, how long have you been around the game of baseball? Long enough to know that the Yankees greatest success came when their centerpiece was their pitching I can imagine.

    I still cannot fathom Wang’s inconsistency and wonder if it’s something that can be corrected or whether it’s a head thing. See, he sure didn’t start out that way.

  327. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Maybe when he finally did fall apart once or twice it got into his head. Mussina’s like that. Nothing says Wangs terrible postseason games (whenever they were) haven’t shaken his confidence.

  328. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Trisha,
    I had a feeling you were an attorney. I am too – I wouldn’t to see you in a court room.

  329. Humphrey Bogus March 26th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    A wise man once said, “You’ll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of people”.

  330. Blargh March 26th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    “Blargh, how long have you been around the game of baseball?”

    Not long enough to accept a lack of a straight yes/no answer

  331. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    StandingO’Neil the final thing I will say to you is this. I have already stated that it is not optimal to try to have any kind of intense conversation in the middle of a game, while you are at work. So my posts were of the hit and run variety and it was the best I could do. If they seem to lack the substance you are looking for, I can only apologize for not having the time to better formulate my posts. I can assure you that there is some solid thought behind what I’ve been attempting to say. If I didn’t communicate it well enough, well that’s on me. Best I can do.

  332. Blargh March 26th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Which would mark me at about….2-3 years ago, more or less

  333. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    “whozat, dry your tears now. You don’t want anyone to see that you had a breakdown over someone disagreeing with your take.”

    It’s amusing that you think I’m upset or crying. I’m actually just worried for your clients now. No one had better tell them that their attorney is incapable of understanding that human memory is notoriously unreliable.

    But awesome job resorting to condescension! That really shows that you’ve got a rock-solid argument. Despite us repeatedly being able to show you information that directly refutes your point, you continue to generalize from special cases to try and back up your argument. You cite an example of the ideal you crave, and we show you that the facts don’t line up with your opinion. Andy, while a very good pitcher and one that I LOVE having on my team, is far from a model of this “consistency” that Wang lacks.

    Basically…you just don’t like math. Numbers scare you, and you’re afraid that those smarter than you can manipulate them in ways you don’t understand to trick you. So, you call us stat-heads and pooh-pooh our arguments, even though we’ve watched as many games as you, we’ve seen the same events, AND we’re the ones with the facts on our side.

  334. Motown Yankees Fan March 26th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Jimmy – that’s what I do too. Do you practice in NJ or NY (or some place else?)

  335. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    That Wang *supposedly* lacks. Sorry.

  336. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Jimmy – well wahoo!!! :)
    :)
    :)

    Maybe that’s why you understood what I was trying to say! Our minds probably work alike. Yeah I can be pretty adamant in trying to make a point!

  337. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Motown –
    NYC I do freelance for big firms

  338. whozat March 26th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    “Yeah I can be pretty adamant in trying to make a point!”

    Now, if ONLY you’d find some EVIDENCE! You could maybe actually convince some people that you’re right!

  339. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    whozat, yeah I can be condescending. I won’t deny that.

    No it isn’t that I’m afraid of math, it’s that I don’t believe that stats always tell the whole story. I do believe what I see with my own eyes though. Again, you have the right to have a different opinion but not much beyond that I’m afaid. And again, the fact that some others see it the same way I do at least says that we find merit in the same argument.

  340. Bad Scooter March 26th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    This Wang thing isn’t really about opinions, it’s about baseball knowledge. Those with baseball knowledge agree that Wang has been about as consistent as you can be as a starting pitcher over the last two years and those who don’t have a clue will characterize Wang as inconsistent.

    If Wang is inconsistent I’ll take 5 inconsistent pitchers on my staff. Wang has consistently been our most consistent pitcher the last two years. He goes out and gets us into the 7th inning just about all of his starts. What more do you want? He’s about as consistent as any pithcer in the big leagues.

    Unreal that people are complaining about Wang. He stunk up the joint in the playoffs and has gotten roughed up a few times during the spring and now he’s inconsistent after being our only constant on the pitching staff in 2006 and 2007. He’s been the horse of the staff.

  341. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    “You could maybe actually convince some people that you’re right!”

    I guess you missed the posts where others agreed? Oh well.

  342. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Jimmy and Motown, I’m in RI and practice employment law for an educational institution. I concentrate on issues of discrimination.

  343. S.o.S.27 March 26th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    The only constant in this thread is

    Trish wont change her mind
    We wont either
    Trish saying see ya and catch you later but continues to comeback.

    Lets just turn the page guys.

  344. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    “Those with baseball knowledge agree that Wang has been about as consistent as you can be as a starting pitcher over the last two years and those who don’t have a clue will characterize Wang as inconsistent.”

    That’s funny.

  345. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Okay trish, because your able to get other moron’s to agree with, that validates your evidence. Good logic.

  346. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Trish you may do well at law but you sure don’t know what your talking about when it comes to baseball.

  347. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    S.O.S.

    I try to leave but they JUST WON’T LET ME GO!!!

    I consider it rude to have someone address me and not respond. I was brought up with manners…

    And oh yeah – I don’t care about anyone changing their minds. But it seems there is GREAT concern in the opposite direction! Again, that stems from insecurity or the need to control. I’ll be adamant in my opinion until the cows come home, but I really have no problems with who buys it and who doesn’t. See, nobody here pays my bills.

    :)

  348. Blargh March 26th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    trisha, what is it about Pettitte that matches your definition of consistency?

    Or are you not going to bother giving a straight answer to that question either?

  349. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    I think its time for a recess.

  350. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    “Okay trish, because your able to get other moron’s to agree with, that validates your evidence. Good logic.”

    See this is where we depart. I am not calling anyone who disagrees with me a moron. And yes I do know my baseball.

  351. Yazman March 26th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    “the game where Clemens gave up 8 runs to the White Sox in the top of the 2nd, but Garland gave up 8 to the Yanks in the bottom of the 2nd.”

    My 9 year old sons were SO excited to see Roger Clemens for the first time. Too bad they saw arguably the worst performance of his career :(

    Exciting loss though. And after 2 innings it felt like it was time to get up and stretch.

  352. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    Okay Trish, let’s start over. I apologize for calling you or anyone else a moron, it was uncalled for. I was typing quickly at work, so please excuse my spelling mistakes as well.

    It just bothers me when intelligent people, and from how you write I can tell you’re well educated and intelligent, completely ignore stats that prove Wang is a very consistent pitcher.

    I agree stats aren’t the end all be all, but you have to acknowledge that they prove Wang to be one of the best pitchers in the American League, no?

  353. Bad Scooter March 26th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Good question Blargh. She has no comeback. She backed herself into a corner on this one. If Pettitte is her definition of consistnecy than how can Wang not be as well? Funny stuff. But, but she watches all the games.

  354. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Jimmy – or a side bar!

    Blargh, my response about Pettitte really referred to Andy in his prime. My point was that there have been pitchers who could be relied upon game after game to be the same pitcher we were used to seeing. At some point it may change. David Cone was an example. David Wells. Andy Pettitte. Mike Mussina when he first came to the Yankees.

    My concern with Wang is that somewhere along the line, something changed. When he first came up, he was extremely reliable. And to use a word someone else used, he was dominant. Then at some point, he started to give up hits and he started to get the ball up; but that didn’t come for a while. So I’m wondering to myself where the CM we first knew disappeared to. Were his first games the aberration and is he just an inconsistent pitcher? Actually, he never seemed the same since he came back from being out almost the whole season, after his injury. So I guess I had been spoiled and am always looking for the old Wang. And when he comes in and is dominant, I think he is back. Then the very next game he can look like a completely different pitcher. I’m baffled by it. And I keep wondering why the problem can’t be fixed.

  355. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Trisha – an Irish bar – better yet

  356. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Standing, okay I apologize too. Let’s go back to square one. And I am having the same problem, trying to give complete answers while at work! I think I’m frustrated because I have seen Wang with his pitches working beautifully, and I know he has the stuff, and then all of a sudden he morphs into a pitcher who is getting shelled (or shelled for him anyway.) And it happens often enough that I keep wondering where the good Wang disappears to!

  357. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Trisha,

    Something did change in Wang. When he first came up he mainly only threw the sinker, with a few four seam fastballs and sliders mixed in. However while doing this, he had a very low strikeout rate per game. And history has shown, through stats, that pitchers with low strikeout rates do not last long in the majors. Therefore I believe the Yankees have tinkered with Wang a bit, and he now throws more sliders, four seam fastballs and change ups to go with that heavy sinker.

    It has caused him probably to have a few more “bad” games, but overall it should help his career because he is striking out more hitters. He has evolved as a pitcher. With the yankee defense being amongst the leagues worst as well, not having the ability to strikeout any hitters would really end up burning him in the end.

  358. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Guys, again remember. Lots of posts go by and I try to go back and read all of them, so I don’t purposely blow off a question! I’m doing the best I can (while I am supposed to be working!)

  359. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Glad that’s over!

    M&MD are arguing over Yanks new stadium – it half done already!

  360. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Yeah Jimmy I was listening to them on the radio, they were really going at each other. Which I love because lately they always seem to agree with each other which can be boring. You can tell Mike is really getting into it because his voice is starting to go, lol.

  361. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    See Standing, I disagree with that theory even if it is a good theory. I can see power pitchers getting lots of Ks and knuckleball pitchers also, but I see sinkerball pitchers getting lots of ground outs. I’d rather see Wang do that than throw for Ks!

  362. Blargh March 26th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    What years would you consider to be Pettitte’s prime?

  363. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    But see Trisha that was where the problem with Wang arose. Take say Brandon Webb, or even Derek Lowe when he was at his best. Now I don’t have the stats here, and I’m too lazy to look them up (www.baseballprospectus.com) but when they were at their best they were getting lots of ground balls AND strikeouts. When Wang first came up I believe his K/9 was under 3, which is terrible. A guy like Brandon Webb has a K/9 over 6.

    Also see Kevin Brown in the late 90′s, he’s a great example of a sinker baller who gets strikeouts. People who believe sinker balls only get ground balls and no strikeouts are mistaken. What makes them so efficent is they keep the balls that are put in play in the infield, which makes it harder to give up extra base hits.

  364. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Feinsand:
    IPK = rookie of the year

  365. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Standing I see what you’re saying. Well all I can say is it will make me very happy if Wang gets back to the point where he comes in and dominates and does it for a whole slew of games in a row. This 4 ER/0 ER/6ER/1ER (as an example) stuff drives me crazy. I still say it doesn’t have to be that way and most good pitchers to not have that kind of track record!

  366. Derek - RETIRE 21!!!(please?) March 26th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    WORST THREAD EVER.

    Brett Gardner got hit in the face with his own batted ball.

    Think about the ribbing hes gonna get for that. And smile will ya?

  367. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Blargh, I really don’t know offhand which years I’d consider Pettite’s prime, but I would say they came after the year where he came close to getting traded but Torre interceded. That was a while ago.

    I have tried to point out what I see as problematic with Wang. This isn’t about Wang vs. anyone. It’s about Wang as a pitcher and how things have changed with him, at least from my perspective.

    And this is for Derek.

    :)

  368. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Brandon Webb:
    SO/9
    03- 8.1
    04- 6.5
    05- 6.5
    06- 6.6
    07- 7.5

    Chien Ming Wang:
    SO/9
    05- 3.8
    06- 3.2
    07- 4.5

  369. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Well Trisha in fairness to Wang his defense did let him down big time in that first inning. Also it is still just spring training. If he’s struggling badly come June, we can continue this discussion. But I think we both agree that he is key to this team’s success. I just don’t think you should worry as much about him.

  370. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Hey guys thanks for tolerating me! I KNOW I can be overbearing. But you see, when I am convinced of something I just can’t let it go!

    Anyway, it’s all good. I love Wang, by the way. So never mistake my questioning a player’s ability with my either abandoning that player or being permanently down on the player. It just doesn’t happen that way. I do reserve the right to question things when I see something I consider to be off!

    Have a good night. Hopefully I’ll see you for tomorrow’s game.

  371. Jimmy 27 March 26th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    is that a promise or a threat?

  372. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Standing, it’s not so much worrying about him as it is being pissed off that he isn’t getting it together when I know he has such good stuff! Call it tough love.

    Be good. Have a great night.

    And yes, he is the key to the team’s success. That’s why I want him to buck up.

    :)

  373. StandingO'Neil March 26th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    You know your actually kind of fun to debate with. I just hope I and everyone else can get you to come join our side. Anyways Go Yanks!!!

  374. trisha March 26th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    “is that a promise or a threat?”

    He he he, counselor. A threat.

    :)

  375. Blargh March 26th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Meh, I might as well just list Wang’s earned runs for 2007, start by start

    4,4,1,7,1,2,3,3,1,1,2,4,6,0,0,3,3,4,3,1,8,5,3,1,0,1,3,5,2

    1997 Pettitte was:
    2,3,1,2,2,1,1,3,4,1,7,2,5,1,5,5,1,0,0,0,5,3,3,2,5,0,3,1,1,1,1,0,0,4,2 (one of the 1′s was a 1 IP game, but he did start that game; not sure why he left early; September 5)

    1998 Pettite was:
    4,4,1,2,0,0,4,7,7,1,3,8,0,2,2,3,2,2,0,1,7,2,0,4,3,5,5,5,5,5,4,4 (although, his last regular game that year was 3 innings in relief for 0 earned runs)

  376. Boston Dave March 26th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    I think this was possibly the worst thread in the history of this blog. guess that’s what ST is for.

  377. saucY March 26th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    whozat, i always thought there was a delay on all links. that makes sense. thanks :)

  378. saucY March 26th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Boston Dave, worked really stunk for me today. but i guess for all the days a work day like this could have fell on, this probably worked out best….

  379. Boston Dave March 26th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    saucy,

    i quit my job today with no new job or intention of finding one yet (technically i wont be leaving til july) :)

  380. saucY March 26th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    i found out i made a pretty big programming error a month ago.

    the good thing is someone else will probably take the heat for it since they ‘reviewed’ the test results……..

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