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Breaking news: Torre returns to Yanks

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Apr 01, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

m021555a.jpgIn a move that rocked the baseball world this morning, the Yankees swapped managers with the Dodgers, sending Joe Torre back to New York in exchange for Joe Girardi, the Journal News has learned. The Yankees included reliever Joba Chamberlain in the deal, which was approved by commissioner Bud Selig.

“It was quite unusual but the Yankees were determined to make this trade,” said MLB spokesman April M. Foules. “The Steinbrenner family was insistent and the Commissioner felt he had no choice.”

The move was made when the Steinbrenners learned that Girardi had banned ice cream in the clubhouse at Yankee Stadium. The Steinbrenners have long been investors in Hood, Ben & Jerrys and the Popsicle Company. Team officials were also concerned that encouraging the players to eat healthy snacks would hurt the sales of such ballpark staples as candy, ice cream, hot dogs and nachos.

“We’d lose millions,” Hank Steinbrenner said. “How would Hal get any dates?”

After a lengthy meeting in Tampa following the Opening Day rainout, the Yankees and Dodgers made the swap to return Torre to the Bronx.

“No question, I love ice cream,” Torre said. “Gibby and I used to eat Klondike Bars back in St. Louis. Plus it’ll be great to see Jeter, Rivera, Giambi, Mussina, Wang, Cano, Cabrera, Duncan, Posada, Hughes, Kennedy, Pettitte, Farnsworth, Betemit, Hawkins, Molina, Ensberg, Traber, Albaladejo, Ohlendorf, Bruney, Damon and Abreu. I love all those guys.”

The shocking deal was negotiated by a previously unknown third son of Yankees team owner George Steinbrenner, Shemp Steinbrenner.

shemp1-sized.jpg“This was all the work of Shemp,” Hank Steinbrenner said. “He set Hal and I straight. Ice cream is a vital segment of the Yankees empire. You’ll be seeing a lot more of Shemp around. Excuse me, I need to call Newsday.”

General manager Brian Cashman resigned upon hearing of the move, saying his vaunted youth movement would be derailed by having the 67-year-old Torre manage the team again.

“I have consistently proven I can take an obscene payroll and build a team that will lose in the first round of the playoffs,” Cashman said during a seven-hour conference call with the media. “I should be able to name my manager. I’m the Cash Man, damn it.”

Torre said the team would replace Chamberlain with recently released majors leaguers Mike Stanton and Mike Myers. “That way I can say, ‘Warm up Mike’ and get ‘em both ready at the same time in the sixth inning,” he said. “That will cut down on the confusion. I’m going to release Albaladejo. That’s too long a name to remember. They also told me Girardi left a bunch of stats and charts on my desk. I have no idea what those are for. I know what OTB is. Not OBP.”

Team president Randy Levine held a press conference to announce that he had “not a clue” who suggested Torre should leave in the first place. “I’ve always been on Joe’s side in this,” he said. “I can’t believe he thought I was serious about the incentive clauses.”

The Yankees will open the season tonight against the Toronto with Chien-Ming Wang on the mound. A group of loyal Torre sycophants will throw out the first pitch including Billy Crystal, Marvin Hamlisch and Jerry Vale.

“I’m available to lead off if Joe needs me,” Crystal said. “I’ll make Roy Halladay work.”

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235 Responses to “Breaking news: Torre returns to Yanks”

  1. Simon B. April 1st, 2008 at 10:54 am

    As ridiculous as this is, you know there are going to be some people angry that they were “deceived”.

  2. Ramon2 April 1st, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Not funny, just lame.

  3. hmmm April 1st, 2008 at 10:56 am

    don’t quit your day job, Pete ;)

  4. hmmm April 1st, 2008 at 10:57 am

    “As ridiculous as this is, you know there are going to be some people angry that they were “deceived”.”

    i guarantee you not a single person was fooled for even 1 second.

  5. DMan April 1st, 2008 at 10:58 am

    What?! Torre didn’t demand to have Scott Proctor sent back to NY with him?!

    I see another trade in the near future.. Maybe Hughes for Proctor?

  6. Simon B. April 1st, 2008 at 10:58 am

    “i guarantee you not a single person was fooled for even 1 second.”

    I wish I shared your faith in human intelligence.

  7. Dan from Mass April 1st, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Aw, c’mon! This is good! I appreciate it.

  8. Tseng April 1st, 2008 at 11:00 am

    I think it would have been funnier if he’d made it something believable at first and then slowly gotten more and more ridiculous and unbelievable as the article went on. Say, a trade of Melky and Ian for Texeira or whatever.

  9. Peter Abraham April 1st, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Attaboy Dan.

  10. Steve (Cashman sucks) April 1st, 2008 at 11:03 am

    LOL I heard Torre used Proctor yesterday with a 5-0 lead. Hilarious

  11. Artie A April 1st, 2008 at 11:04 am

    I am very pleased about Joe coming back, thanks Pete for being ahead of the others…this time!

  12. Steve (Cashman sucks) April 1st, 2008 at 11:05 am

    And that isnt even an April Fools joke

  13. Bronx cheer April 1st, 2008 at 11:06 am

    This bodes well for Tanyon Sturtze. Tell Tony Pena he has to give up No. 56.

  14. soapter April 1st, 2008 at 11:06 am

    HA HA!! APRIL FOOL’S… I HOPE!!!!!!

  15. Dan April 1st, 2008 at 11:07 am

    No offense, but thats the worst April Fools joke ever.

  16. const April 1st, 2008 at 11:07 am

    River Ave. Blues has a much better one. It had me pretty depressed when I got in.

    Pete: no more liberal political views, no more springsteen and no more jokes. no need to tarnish your brand.

  17. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 11:07 am

    What you mean it isn’t true!! :(

    :lol: Count down till someone says they believed it. 3-2-1

  18. Jeremy April 1st, 2008 at 11:08 am

    A post critical of Torre’s managing decisions on this site? Now that’s an April Fool’s joke.

  19. Hockey April 1st, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Yeah. River Ave Blues did a better job.

  20. NJ in Tampa April 1st, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Can we bring back Scott Proctor too?

  21. BROKEN NEWS April 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Paul Quantrill says his arm never felt stronger and Buddy Groom says he’s itching for a phone call from JT.

  22. gayle April 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am

    favoritelines:

    The lost brother Shemp
    Long time Torre friends Jerry Vale

    pretty darn funny

  23. Brian (from PA) April 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am

    WTF????????????

    THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING EVER WTF IS WRONG WITH YANKEES MANAGMENT??

    TORRE IS JUST GONNA WEAR OUT THE PEN AGAIN AND WTF NO JOBA? I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS.

  24. Corey April 1st, 2008 at 11:12 am

    April M. Foules…..ha

  25. DMan April 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am

    I’m waiting till it gets closer to game time when we start seeing all the “game has been canceled!” posts.. Only to see “April fools!” 3 posts later.

  26. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 1st, 2008 at 11:14 am

    And a happy April to you as well!

  27. Lisa April 1st, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Happy April Pete…
    The headline made me look twice, at least!

  28. Brian (from PA) April 1st, 2008 at 11:16 am

    last year i called my mom to tell her i was in a car accident. i was thinking of calling to tell her i’m in jail at some point today but i think she’d just get pissed off.

  29. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 1st, 2008 at 11:17 am

    hoiw many of you got a heartattack I did that to a Knicks board about Isiah Thomas being fired :lol:

  30. Lori April 1st, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Corey – that was my favorite too! And, ok, I admit, the headline had me thinking, but I came around with the first line.

    Thanks for the smile Pete! ;)

  31. PeePee April 1st, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Lame.

  32. Peter Abraham April 1st, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Const:

    I’ll give every consideration to writing what you want in my blog instead of what I want. … Hmm… Nope, sorry. I’ll stick with what i want.

  33. McLovin April 1st, 2008 at 11:21 am

    River Ave Blues had a funnier one at around 12:00am saying Pettitte was out for 6 to 8 weeks and Kei Igawa was taking his place.Got me for a couple of seconds because Pettitte missing time and being on the DL is not that crazy of a thought.

  34. Dan April 1st, 2008 at 11:21 am

    “I’m going to release Albaladejo. That’s too long a name to remember.” That has to be the funniest line!

  35. Irabu's Son April 1st, 2008 at 11:22 am

    It’s pretty decent if you read the whole thing. I like the MLB employee April M. Foules. I bet she’s hot.

    My favorite line sums up Torre perfectly:
    “I know what OTB is. Not OBP.”

  36. Sam April 1st, 2008 at 11:22 am

    LOL Pete

  37. Torri April 1st, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Good Stuff

  38. pat April 1st, 2008 at 11:25 am

    “I love all those guys.”

    Very subtle omission Pete!

  39. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 1st, 2008 at 11:25 am

    Heh, I got a few people with mine = I’m a happy camper.

    One year, I think my senior year of high school, it snowed on 1 April and I remarked that it was just G-d playing an April Fool’s joke.

  40. jay destro April 1st, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Also included in the deal was Brad Penny and Clayton Kershaw.

  41. trisha April 1st, 2008 at 11:28 am

    NO MORE GREEN TEA!

    Thank you, thank you.

    :)

  42. jay destro April 1st, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Also the Mets are trading Santana to the Red Sox for Coco Crisp and a player to be named later.

  43. Ranting Guy April 1st, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Nice try Pete but the sudden acquisition of a mysterious Hilvan Finch type player, backed up by a brilliant in depth scouting report from his reclusive teenage years in a Tibetan monestary that describes how he throws a ball 113mph with his left hand and 108mph with his right, switches arms mid-delivery and is therefore so confounding to hitters that he doesn’t even need to wear a glove, and how he developed a grip & arm motion (with the assistance of a blind elderly guru) that makes one of his pitches break more sharply than Joba’s slider … twice in its trajectory, and in two directions … now THIS could have fooled more people!

  44. whoa April 1st, 2008 at 11:29 am

    boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  45. jay destro April 1st, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Tonight After the game the Sindey Ponson Yankeeography will debut.

  46. trisha April 1st, 2008 at 11:30 am

    AWWWW. I’m out of market and can’t get the Yankeeographies. Thank you MLB! (Sincerely on that one.)

  47. jay destro April 1st, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Alan Embree and Mark Bellhorn both are questioning YES why their Yankeeography’s have not been considered.

  48. jay destro April 1st, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Speaking of Green Tea, the ads with Torre are still running on WCBS 880 during the games.

  49. trisha April 1st, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Jay -

    :)
    :)
    :)

    Pete should consider using you as his ghost writer!

    Hey, if a Russian holiday fell on April 1st, we could call Pete’s column a celebration of Red Bull!!!

  50. yeah!! April 1st, 2008 at 11:35 am

    I’m not a Yankees fan anymore, they change managers every four month now. God.

  51. trisha April 1st, 2008 at 11:35 am

    NO MORE GREEN TEA! RED BULL, THE DRINK OF MANAGER’S WITH A PULSE!!!”

  52. Thurm April 1st, 2008 at 11:38 am

    That was so lame Pete… but we love you anyway. Thank God it’s not true…

  53. Mark Alan April 1st, 2008 at 11:38 am

    You know, with some of what we’ve seen coming out of the Yanks’ front office over the years, that is almost believable. Certainly worth a smile. Thanks, Pete.

    The question is, if “Shemp Steinbrenner” were to pull a Girardi + Joba for Torre trade, would Suzyn sit in the Lowes Broadcast Booth and scream “Torre’s coming back!” for half an hour?

  54. jay destro April 1st, 2008 at 11:38 am

    i actually considered ghost writing for jose canseco but he tried to attack me with an iguana

  55. NY April 1st, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Does anyone know if the game is on ESPN tonight?

  56. jay destro April 1st, 2008 at 11:41 am

    NY: the game will be on SNY

  57. hmmm April 1st, 2008 at 11:42 am

    considering Girardi was the Dodgers’ first choice this offseason, they’d have to throw in a player to make this trade work, not the other way around.

  58. vinny-b April 1st, 2008 at 11:44 am

    River Ave Blues did trick me, tho.

    had me telling myself, why Igawa?

  59. S.o.S.27 April 1st, 2008 at 11:46 am

    If Torre comes back, that means we wont need Melky, ajax or gardner anymore. Bubba will be patrolling our outfield. With Cairo in right.
    Its funny today i heard Torre say(about the reception he recieved yesterday)”lets see if the the fans still think that way a year from now”(not exact quote). I just laughed. Its like he’s shell shocked and doesnt have confidence in himself and his work.

  60. NY April 1st, 2008 at 11:47 am

    So i guess that means since I am in MIami I will not be getting it…=(

  61. Jeter's Future Wife April 1st, 2008 at 11:51 am

    I’m a blonde, and I even immediately started laughing! too funny Pete!

  62. Jeter's Future Wife April 1st, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Buster Olney predicted the Yanks to win our division and Sox winning Wildcard! Luv ya Buster!

  63. al arodien April 1st, 2008 at 11:52 am

    nice job for april fools day! but if you would of wrote a story about a-rod addmiting to steroid use people would buy it! garantee you Pete

  64. Phil Hughes is Saved and will be fine! Goodness.. April 1st, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Well, you get an A for effort Peter.

  65. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 11:54 am

    sos I heard that too. I was like wth!

  66. Doreen April 1st, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Oh, what fun we’re having today!!!! :lol:

  67. S.o.S.27 April 1st, 2008 at 11:58 am

    10 things i expect to be a given this year.

    1. There will be fans that ask for Arod to be traded after an 0ffer and men stranded.
    2.Giambi will be on the d.l. sometime in the season. May comes to mind.
    3. Girardi will get kicked out of more games this year than all of Torres years in pinstripes.
    4. Duncan will get suspended yet again for protecting his teammates.
    5. Matsui will be rumored as traid bait in July.
    6. Wang will win 19 games.
    7. We will try to trade our third base coach for one the Dodgers have and we’ll throw in Igawa.
    8. Hank will be Hank and Boston will whine about it.
    9. Damon will say hes injured but wont go on the d.l.
    10. Yanks win the division.

  68. Joey April 1st, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Shysterball’s April fools prank actually got me Pete, this wasn’t that great. Good thing you know how to talk baseball! In my defense, Shyster was the first blog I read and I had just waken up… pretty good one though, believable if nothing else

  69. trisha April 1st, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    I like those SOS.

    Jeter’s Future Wife – I can tell you’re a blonde since I mentioned Buster Olney’s predidction here several days ago!

    (Only joking. About the blonde part. I did mention the prediction, however. I do believe Buster is a good barometer of reality because he really socked it to us with his book The Night The Dynasty Died. I hated him for writing that, but it turns out he had it right.)

  70. trisha April 1st, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    If anyone watched Canseco on Letterman, you saw that he totally waffled about Arod and steroids. He’s got a big mouth when he’s talking to the press, though!

  71. Roy Hobbs April 1st, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    Did anyone catch Jose Canseco on Letterman last night? His segment aired after 12 so it was already April Fool’s Day, which was appropriate. He talked about his book and then sang “If I Only Had A Brain” from “The Wizard Of Oz”.

  72. S.o.S.27 April 1st, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    I havnt been posting for a few day now. I know im late but i want to congratulate the Rays for being 2008 Grapefruit Champs!! I heard the shirts are on back order. See guys, playing hard in the preseason panned out. Maybe we should follow suit next year and take whats theirs.

  73. Melissa April 1st, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    oh gosh. well, it amused me at least.

  74. pat April 1st, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    SOS

    I can see all but number 7. Igawa won’t be enough to get the Bowa trade done.

  75. NYSuperFan April 1st, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    love it pete….nice one!

  76. S.o.S.27 April 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    pat
    April 1st, 2008 at 12:06 pm
    SOS

    I can see all but number 7. Igawa won’t be enough to get the Bowa trade done.

    Yea. You might be right. That was the one i sort of hesitated to type. I was trying to save Pavano for a ball boy. O.K. Fine. Igawa and Pavano for Mr. Bowa. Thats my final offer.

  77. jay destro April 1st, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Bobcat will be doing an interview soon.

  78. tony April 1st, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  79. Roy Hobbs April 1st, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Hitting theaters today: Jose Canseco’s new movie “Kung Fool”

  80. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    I heard Jose, and he looked like a fool!! Anyone who walked away believing anything he said is an even bigger idiot than he is.

  81. Martini6196 April 1st, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Is the game gonna happen tonight? I have to drive down from Albany.

  82. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....0?MSNHPHMA

    ;barf:

  83. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    I was just outside in Midtown. It is gross out. Very sticky and warm!

    If the game does play, make sure to bring nose blogs, there are going to be some wicked smells in that stadium.

  84. jay destro April 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    fukudome’s name is an april fools joke on all of us

  85. Yanksrule57 April 1st, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Pete,

    Would you consider asking your readers if there is any interest in starting a Shemp Steinbrenner fan club?

    I have a gut feel there’s gonna be a market for “Shemp Rules” T-shirts and you need to get ahead of the curve on this.

  86. jay destro April 1st, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    boo hoo joe had to work in ny boo hoo how many million did you make boo hoo

  87. #9 April 1st, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Years ago on some radio station they ran a bit where the story was that Donald Trump had just bought the Yankees and was having the stadium renamed “Trump Stadium”…

    The stunt was done quite well with an “on the scene” reporter describing a construction crew taking down the Yankees sign and replacing it with the “TRUMP” sign…

    I was pretty hungover when I was listening to it and pretty much believed it… ah the good ol’ days…

  88. S.o.S.27 April 1st, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    I know im in the minority on this topic. But rumors are that the Red Sox might want to trade for Harden. I know he’s injury prone and all. But the same thing was said about Beckett. He wouldnt last a year with his blister popping up. Id hate to see Harden and Beckett on the same team. Iv been one to say pull the trigger on Harden and if we are affraid that he might get hurt. Then use him as our 8th inning guy(less innings). Sort of like Wood. Put Joba back in the rotation. Rotating the 3 youngsters in 2 spots. Its a risk IMO worth taking. DONT LET BOSTON GET HIM!!

  89. hmmm April 1st, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    I love that Torre used 3 of his 4 best relievers to get 7 outs – with a 5 run lead against one of the worst offenses in baseball.

    Joe, you were great for NY at one time, but I am glad you are happy in LA now.

  90. Anthony April 1st, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    wow i actually believed this for 5 seconds than realized it was april first.. then i got mad for a bit lol.

  91. hmmm April 1st, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    “Its a risk IMO worth taking. DONT LET BOSTON GET HIM!!”

    all depends on the asking price. impossible to know if it’s a worthy risk without knowing what it would cost.

  92. Matt (In Toronto) April 1st, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Didn’t fall for this because I had just seen the post on NYYfans forum that we traded Kennedy and Tabata for Iguchi, moyer (isn’t he still a phillie). lol

  93. Hughe Jurekshun April 1st, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    The Yankees just signed international flame throwing pitcher Keyser Soze.

    Soze’s ruthlessness and fastball have a legendary, even mythical status amongst baseball executives and players.

    Soze’s past pitching history is unknown, but the story told by Verbal Kint, great gandfather to Oakland A’s GM Billy Beane, has Soze beginning his baseball career in Turkey as a low-level prosepct. The entity that is Keyser Soze is truly born, however, when he was away rehabing a sore elbow and was called upon by Fidel Castro to pitch for the Cuban National team. When Söze arrived in Cuba he killed the first 3 batters he faced as well as 3 cathers; the batters died from sever cases of whiplash due to Soze’s fastball velocity. The catchers death were due to the gaping holes left in their chests, that surgeons were unable to close, after trying to catch Soze’s heater….original reports say that the catchers exploded upon impact.

    Many years have past since the incident in Cuba and nobody has seen Soze since, but somehow the Yankees have found him and have signed him to a 6 year, 150 million dollar deal. Many scouts and baseball execs say that Soze doesnt exist and never has. Hank Steinbrenner responded by saying “The greatest trick the Devil (Soze means Devil in Hungarian) ever pulled was convincing all major league baseball teams other than the Yankees that he didn’t exist or in this case, that he couldnt pitch.” “He hasnt gone anywhere, he’s been traveling the globe dismantling line ups, exploding catcher and decapitating home plate umpires from the ricochets for years now. You all didnt know becuase when Soze is on the hill, it has always been in disguise and under a fake name, leaving no one the wiser; but Soze and I have been cool for years and he has finally made the decision to come out of his so called hiding and play for us”.

    Soze is going to need to shake some of the cobwebs off in extended spring training, but he is slated to join the Yankees rotation in May.

  94. saucY April 1st, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    nice pete. the comedy snobs need to give it a rest.

  95. Jeff NJ April 1st, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Peter, that was hilarious. Especially the little known Steinbrenner brother Shemp. I would have went with Fredo personally, but don’t listen to the bashers, this was funny stuff. Guess you needed something to write about during the rainout?

    Thanks for the laugh.

  96. Ranting Guy April 1st, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    SoS27 –

    I’m sure 2, 8, and 10 will happen but only 8 is guaranteed.

  97. mel April 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Please, what’s OTB & who’s Shemp?

  98. MikeEff- Shelley ,Every Day April 1st, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    i was furious when i read that i’d been punked by riv av blues last night. they went too far.
    maybe because my nerves were frazzled by being at the washout yesterday. i almost snapped when i read their pettitte spoof.

    i hope we get some love from mother nature tonight

  99. blondlobo April 1st, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Ah, that was funny. Good one, Pete!

  100. S.o.S.27 April 1st, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Kevin Spacey is just too small and fat to pitch for us. Might as well sign Danny Devito in that case. Ill pass.

  101. MikeEff- Shelley ,Every Day April 1st, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    shemp was one of the original Three Stooges

  102. Moe (27 on the way) April 1st, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    C’mon people cheer up. PETE’s the Maaaaaaaaan!

  103. mel April 1st, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Wood vs. Gagne was pretty hilarious yesterday. I meant the Gagne part. The Wood part? Pretty much shows you just can’t stick any pitcher in the closer role.

  104. Fran April 1st, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Saw Canseco on Letterman and he obviously has nothing on Alex except hate for him.

    Biff’s piece at Spring Training was hysterical. He had Derek cracking up. And when he was talking to Jose Veras I don’t think Veras understood a word Biff was saying.

  105. mel April 1st, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    MikeEff,

    Thanks. So that was Pete’s subtle way of calling Hank & Hal stooges?

    The Usual Suspects was a great movie. Has Kevin Spacey ever made a stinker? Very underappreciated movie.

  106. Moe (27 on the way) April 1st, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    I missed Biff’s piece at Spring Training yesterday,
    can someone post a link of the video?

  107. Ranting Guy April 1st, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    SoS27 –

    I haven’t heard/read anything of substance saying that the Sox and A’s were in talks about trading Harden to the Sox.

    What I’ve heard of dealing with Billy Beane in general suggests that the price in terms of talent would be very high, especially if he were to be traded to an AL team.

    My impression is that Beane would ask for more in return than he gives up. The names he’d want in play could sound like those in the Santana talks. If so, then as a Yanks fan I’d say let them make the trade.

  108. Rishi April 1st, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Lou, MA: Rob would you rather have Hughes/Kennedy or Buchholz/Lester for this year? and why?

    Rob Neyer: (12:35 PM ET ) Hughes/Kennedy because I’m not yet convinced that Lester’s a good bet for more than 8-10 wins. In fact, your question gets at the single biggest reason I’ve got the Yankees ahead of the Red Sox.

  109. AlexCT April 1st, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    I love ice cream.

  110. mel April 1st, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    You know, Pete, I think that people underestimate your cleverness. I’m just getting the post now. I thought that it was just another lame April Fool post and chuckled at some of the humor in it. But then I just looked back at the title and realized that it’s a play on your original breaking news back in November when you broke the story of Torre to Los Angeles. Bravo!

  111. CB April 1st, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Billy Beane is very good at trading players at their maximum value. Trading Harden and Swisher two years earlier than needed are good examples.

    If Beane believed in Harden then he’d never trade him right now because this is probably about as low as Harden’s value has been over his career.

    He’s thrown 17 games over the past 3 years.

    If Beane really thought Harden was healthy then at minimum he’d wait until midseason before fielding offers. More likely he’d like Harden to get a full season in and then trade him next winter. With even one healthy season under his belt, Harden would have considerable trade value next winter.

    If Beane is willing to trade Harden right now I think that speaks poorly for what Beane thinks of Harden. If he’s willing to trade him now that suggests that Beane thinks Harden’s chances of staying healthy for even half a season are very, very low and he’s trying to get rid of him ASAP before another injury occurs.

    Beane is not one to sell low. Trading Harden right now would be doing just that unless he thinks Harden is transiently healthy and this is the best Harden is going to look.

  112. nathan April 1st, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Pete, you have officially bottomed out… this was not even high-school quality..

    by the way, you had to leave ARod out of that list of Torre’s recollection…

    i hope the editor doesnt see this, its as poor as i have read from a ‘professional’ writer

  113. mel April 1st, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Sorry, meant to say that Spacey’s an underappreciated actor.

    If the Sox need pitching they might explore the trade, but the A’s might hold on to Harden if they can contend for the division.

    Besides, what chips do the Sox have to give up? They don’t have a Hughes or Kennedy to hand over.

    Hope Blanton can twirl another gem against the Sox tonight. Matsuzaka on the mound.

  114. pat April 1st, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Mel

    OTB is Off Track Betting on horse races. Is that a NY thing only?

  115. Peter Abraham April 1st, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Nathan:

    Um, that was the point that Torre wouldn’t mention A-Rod. Hopefully you can find a good surgeon to get that stick removed. Lighten up.

    If you’re such an expert on comedy, you write something.

  116. Peter Abraham April 1st, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Mel:

    Glad to see at least one person was in on the jokes.

    I didn’t realize that I had so many readers who were such sourpusses.

  117. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Interesting.

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....710.column

  118. Martini6196 April 1st, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Hey Pete,

    What’s the weather like down there now? I’m heading in from Albany (AGAIN) for tonights game and I am trying to make a decision as to whether or not I should come down for tonights game.

  119. gayle April 1st, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    For those who asked here is the link for Biff at Spring training scroll down and you will see it

    http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/

  120. S.o.S.27 April 1st, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    “The Sox have center fielder Coco Crisp to deal and have been talking up outfielder Brandon Moss. They also might consider moving someone like pitching prospect Justin Masterson in a deal for an established starter. Contractually, Oakland’s Rich Harden is signed through this season at $4.5 million with a $7 million club option for 2009, after which he will be eligible for free agency. Joe Blanton is signed through only this year ($3.7 million) but is not eligible for free agency until after the 2010 campaign.”

    Are those players too much for Harden? Would you trade Horne and Gardner for him?

  121. Elle April 1st, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Hahhahahahaha, Pete, you totally had me going there for a sec.

  122. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    Some people need to grow up, and lighten up!

  123. mel April 1st, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    pat,

    Thanks. Never heard of it, but now I know.

    And what’s BABiP? I though it was Bi Bim Bap.

    From the chat:

    Doug (New Rochelle, NY): What do you expect from Cano this year? More of the same, or does he make another leap – batting title candidate, 30HR, top 10-MVP, etc.?

    Rob Neyer: (12:50 PM ET ) There’s a legitimate question about his power and his relatively low fly-ball rate. As I recall. I love the guy, but trend lines don’t always travel in the same direction from year to year.

    Why is a low fly-ball ratio a problem? Thanks in advance.

  124. Pat April 1st, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Should have just said Pavano was starting today, or that Sturtze and Proctor were reacquired for Cano and Chamberlain.

  125. mel April 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Adam: I’m heartbroken; Edwar didn’t make the Yanks!

    Rob Neyer: (1:03 PM ET ) I know. Maybe all the scouts were right after all.

    Ouch! I can’t believe that someone’s lamenting over Edwar. Now, Patterson I can understand.

  126. Blargh April 1st, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Assuming Harden stays healthy, how many innings can he pitch this year, anyway? He threw 189.7 innings 4 years ago, but it’s been all downhill since (128, then 46.7, then 25.7…)

  127. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Has anyone found the Jorge Posada Cabernet? I tried calling my local wine store and they didn’t have it. :( I just sent them and email to find out who they sold it to, and am waiting for a responce.

  128. AlexCT April 1st, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    In other news, Gerald Ford died today at the senseless age of eighty four.

  129. MID April 1st, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Jennifer, you’re not old enough to buy alcohol. Or are you going to buy it off the person who bought it from the store?

  130. Yanksrule57 April 1st, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    For those complaining about the blogs content, look to the right. There are many other blogs you can go to get Yankee info. So if you don’t like this one……. 8)

  131. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    MID, excuse me? I am old enough to buy alcohol. But I don’t need to justify myself to you.

  132. ItalianGreco April 1st, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Another Rob Neyer post….and he hates the Yankees. He never answers my questions because I always start it by saying Hey, Yankee hater……

    Lou, MA: Rob would you rather have Hughes/Kennedy or Buchholz/Lester for this year? and why?

    Rob Neyer: (12:35 PM ET ) Hughes/Kennedy because I’m not yet convinced that Lester’s a good bet for more than 8-10 wins. In fact, your question gets at the single biggest reason I’ve got the Yankees ahead of the Red Sox.

  133. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    alex he died over a year ago.

  134. MID April 1st, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Hey! I got a response!

  135. Wolf In Pinstripes April 1st, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Good stuff, Pete. It was an obvious April Fool’s joke once I started reading, but that headline certainly had my mind saying “Whaaaa???” when my eyes hit it. Good work in the name of fun, bro.

  136. kei igawa's sunglasses April 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    emmm, not so good there Pete but nice try. What’s the over/under that Joe Torre forces Proctor into major arm surgery this year?

  137. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Fatcessa using Gagme’s performance as the reason Joba must be in the BP…my god will this useless bum just STFU

  138. Steph April 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    I thought that it was pretty cute

  139. Doreen April 1st, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Mel -

    OTB is Off-Track Betting.

  140. Steph April 1st, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    He’s using Gagne’s performance as a reason Joba should be in the pen? They’re nothing like each other

  141. Doreen April 1st, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Brandon -

    What does Joba have to do with Gagne and vice versa????? Does he at least give any logic to his position? (Silly question, I know.)

  142. mel April 1st, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    jennifer,

    Here’s a link to the article that Rishi posted in the last thread.

    I’m a little gullible sometimes, can you guys tell me if this is a joke? It sounds like it, but it’s on a newspaper’s site.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ariet.html

  143. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 1st, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    I know Doreen .. (trust me I know) :?

  144. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Brandon how does he equate one with the other? Gagme is on the Yankees.

  145. Jorge Steinbrenner, the long-lost third brother April 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    nice try, Pete.

    River Ave Blues had the better (and scarier) joke.

  146. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Mel it is real. There is a Jorge Posada and Bobby Abreau wine. I am trying to find out who is selling it.

  147. Joeysdadjoe April 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Cute but I didnt believe it for a second.To be an effective 4/1 joke there has to be a secondary pause before we get it.

  148. pat April 1st, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Mel

    BABIP is another one of those statistical things I never completely understand. I asked about BABIP once and someone said it was something involving batting average but didn’t include homeruns. I’m guessing BA is batting average but not sure about BIP.

  149. Steph April 1st, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    I think it sounds a bit like a joke in the way that it’s written, but it’s convincing nonetheless.

  150. Joey April 1st, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Anybody know if the game’s still gonna be on ESPN or not???

  151. Andytheman April 1st, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Alex-
    Did you know Gerald Ford died when he was eaten by wolves?

  152. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Got my answer, man are they quick

    The Jorge Cabernet will be in stores in New Jersey beginning mid-May.
    Stores are still placing their orders, so it is premature to know which
    stores will carry.

    That said, if you wish to purchase online, you can make a preorder NOW
    at http://www.charitywines.com.

    Otherwise, check your local stores mid-May, as the wine should be pretty
    widely available.

  153. mel April 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    I think he’s saying that Joba belongs in the 8th & 9th inning because he’s dominant there. He’s looking at these other big name pitchers like Gagne & Wood who just can’t get it done anymore.

    He’s right in his logic. But wrong on the pitcher. Joba’s not some washed up closer or DL resident or one trick pony.

    What he doesn’t take into account is that Joba was dominant as a starter in the Yankee minor league system and he’s just taking a pit stop in the pen because of IP issues.

    I hope it’s a schtick cuz the man’s going to land in the loony bin when Joba goes into the rotation.

  154. mel April 1st, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    jennifer,

    lol. I know the wine’s real. I’m not that gullible.

    I meant the blind tasting where the Yankees beat the Sox 2-0.

  155. zoneofcone April 1st, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Good job with the story, Peter. I thought it was pretty funny!

    Over at the RAB blog they posted something near 3 AM where they said Pettitte was out 6-8 weeks and Igawa was in the rotation. I had a heart attack before I realized that technically, it was April Fool’s day.

    So this one was a lot more fun to read.

  156. Pat April 1st, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    BABIP is batting average on balls in play. It basically takes strike outs and homers out of the equation and recalculates batting average. It usually projects line drive hitting and luck.

  157. saucY April 1st, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    “I didn’t realize that I had so many readers who were such sourpusses.”

    the internet bring out the connousour/critic/snob in lots of people…

  158. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Let me ask this, aren’t most set up men, closers failed starters? They didn’t have enough pitches to be effective. Joba is supposed to have 4 plus pitches. He would be wasted in the pen.

    For the record I understand why the Yankees are starting Joba in the pen (they need to get his innings, up while controling them at the same time.)

  159. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    mel. Oh :lol:

    I assume they really did a wine tasting. I don’t think they’d make a joke out of a charity thing.

  160. pat April 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Thanks Pat (with a Capital P)

    Who knew there was a baseball statistic that could predict luck?

  161. Blargh April 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    BABIP = Batting Average on Balls in Play

    Typical batting average is a straightforward Hits/At-Bats

    BABIP then factors in how often the ball was ‘in play’. My interpretation is that in play would mean the defense has something to do with the results of it.
    BABIP is (Hits – HR) / (AB – K – HR + SF)

    Presumably, you take out the homeruns and strikeouts because the defense has nothing to do with those. Sac flies depends on a fielder catching the ball, of course (Sac flies for some reason aren’t included in at-bats normally).

  162. mel April 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Pat,

    Thanks. And it’s used for…?

  163. Steph April 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Some are, yeah…but some people simply can’t handle the workload that a starter does over the course of one day and are better pitching fewer innings on multiple days.

  164. Doreen April 1st, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Jennifer –

    You can’t get the wine shipped to you if you live in NY, NJ or CT. State law prohibits it. So the only choice for us is to either keep visiting your local wine seller to see if they’ve gotten it in, or ask him to order (you) a case.

    Mel, I think BIP in BABIP stands for Balls in Play.

    See:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.....ls_in_play

  165. The Bronx Stop April 1st, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Man…does anyone know if the game is being broadcast on anything other than YES Network!?!? My extra innings channel schedule is not showing that it is being aired tonight…im freaking out…

  166. Doreen April 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Sounds like BABIP is a statistic used for pitchers, not hitters, mainly. Sabermatricians out there, am I right?

  167. Doreen April 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Oops, saberMETricians.

  168. saucY April 1st, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    jennifer, if your in jersey, i’m not sure if there’s a shop rite liquors near you…

    http://www.shopriteliquors.com/sku17145.html

  169. mel April 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Thanks, guys.

    There’s a pat & a Pat here today.

    Please tell we one’s a male & one’s a female.

    I think we have a Pat M. who’s a former ball player so I’d say he’s male.

  170. Steph April 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Yeah, the game is going to be on ESPN 2. Just have your mute button ready and you’re good to go for tonight.

  171. hmmm April 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    “I’m guessing BA is batting average but not sure about BIP.”

    it stands for batting average on balls in play.

    here is a simple example:

    a batter has 10 ABs. in those AB’s, he has 4 hits, 2 ground outs, 2 pop outs, and 2 strike outs.

    his batting average is .400 (4 for 10). his BABIP is .500 (4 for 8).

    on a very simplistic level, it is meant to measure how lucky or unlucky a player has been.

    take posada last year: he hit like .391 on balls in play. that likely means that he happened to have a lot of bloops fall in for hits, and thus can help explain his batting average, which was way out of line with anything he has ever done in his career.

    you strip out HRs, because there can’t really be anything “lucky” about a HR. whereas a seeing eye single is largely a factor of luck, since the batter can’t “control” the fact that he hit a ground ball 5 feet from the SS or 3 feet from the SS, where the ball could be fielded for an out.

    coversely, you would look at this from the opposite angle for pitchers. if a pitcher had an extaordinarily high BABIP, it might mean he as particularly UNLUCKY as he was giving up more bloops and bleeders than would otherwise be expected.

    the theory is that over a large sample, good pitchers and bad pitcher will have similar BABIP numbers. the difference in their ERA’s will be mostly a function of their K’s, BB’s allowed, and HR’s allowed. of course there are always outliers, but this is the theory in a nutshell.

  172. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Thanks Doreen I didn’t know that.

    Thanks saucY yeah there are a lot of shoprites near me.

  173. donniebaseball April 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    i think a bigger joke would have been if hank and co. resigned clemens and canseco

  174. mel April 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    hmmm,

    Thanks. So Mariano would be an unlucky pitcher at times?

  175. The Bronx Stop April 1st, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Steph-
    I accidentally reported that the game would be on ESPN2 earlier. I thought that I heard it last night on Baseball Tonight but I think they said Wednesday night baseball and I forgot what day it was…where did you hear that?

  176. Peter April 1st, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    come on pete abe, you are better than that

  177. Russell NY April 1st, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    I don’t know how Yankee fans will react to this. I, for one, am extremely happy that Joba has been traded (this guy with his weak slider was going nowhere), but at the same time I am glad to hear the team is getting older and more immobile.

  178. saucY April 1st, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    thanks for the explanation hmmm. so would a caught foul ball be included?

  179. Bob Glassberg April 1st, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    ‘The Indians had no news on catcher Victor Martinez on Tuesday morning.

    Whether that’s good news remains to be seen.

    Martinez was taken in for an MRI after Monday’s season opener to determine the severity of the left hamstring strain he suffered while running the bases in the second inning. ‘ – MLB.com

    Do the Indians now have our strength coach from last year?

  180. Doreen April 1st, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Thanks, hmmm. That as a very straight-forward explanation.

  181. Doreen April 1st, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    *was

  182. pat April 1st, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    mel

    female

  183. Steph April 1st, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    The Bronx Stop-check out the Yankees’ schedule: http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy
    It says that tonight’s game will be shown on YES, ESPN2, and MLB.tv

  184. Steph April 1st, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Ah, whoops. I was looking at Wednesday as well. Sorry about that!

  185. kei igawa's sunglasses April 1st, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Thats sad, Martinez is a vital part of the Indians team. Hope its nothing big, you don’t want to see one of the up and coming stars of the game go down with injuries this early, no matter what team they are.

    I hope Wang has his good sinker today, good thing its not that cold outside.

  186. ThurmanMurman April 1st, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Weak.

  187. The Bronx Stop April 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Hahah….yeah and I put it on my blog as a messup…oops

  188. Steph April 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Well, I’d still check out ESPN to see if they’d broadcast it…and it’s totally possible that Extra Innings hasn’t changed their schedule because the game just got cancelled yesterday and is being played today, so I’d check their stations out around game time as well.

  189. Andrea April 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Who would have thought so many people would be anti-joke!

  190. Elizabeth--Melky in CF 08 and beyond April 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Wow, people are ungrateful little jerks.

    Cute story, Pete. I liked the little subtleties, like Torre leaving out Alex’s name but mentioning Traber and Albaladejo ;)

  191. The Monk April 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Jeez, what a horrible joke.

    Torre overstayed his tenure by three years. I’m still amazed he retained his job after The Biggest Choke Job Ever in ’04.

  192. Thomas April 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    wow settle down guys…i thought it was funny

  193. Yanks fan in Austin April 1st, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Lame.

  194. Jeremy April 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    mel,

    A low fly ball rate means fewer extra-base hits, as grounders rarely lead to anything better than singles.

    That’s why pitchers tend to want low fly ball rates and hitters tend to want high fly ball rates.

  195. Jimmy 27 April 1st, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    That’t a horrible picture of Shemp – he’s much better looking in person.

  196. hmmm April 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    is that Shemp or Matsui?

  197. hmmm April 1st, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    “so would a caught foul ball be included?”

    yes, i believe so.

  198. CB April 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    “the theory is that over a large sample, good pitchers and bad pitcher will have similar BABIP numbers. the difference in their ERA’s will be mostly a function of their K’s, BB’s allowed, and HR’s allowed. of course there are always outliers, but this is the theory in a nutshell.”

    In a nutshell, this is why so many people who focus on statistics don’t like Wang as a pitcher.

    The reasoning is that Wang’s performance depends a lot on his defense and on “luck” – hitters make contact off him and Wang doesn’t have a lot of control where the ball is hit. If the ground balls he gives up are hit at someone then it’s an out but if they find find a hole it’s a hit. Wang himself has little to do with where the ball is hit.

    If for some reason Wang happens to have a particularly unlucky season (a lot of balls randomly find holes instead of being hit at guys) he could have a bad season and not win many games.

    BABIP is a useful stat over very large samples particularly if its tracked over a pitcher’s career from year to year and you see a trend of performance.

    But I often think people make too much out of it. One of its key assumptions is that hitters hit the ball on average as hard off of one pitcher as they do the next.

    How hard the ball is hit is essentially ignored by that statistic. Intuitively, I think we know that balls are hit much harder off some pitchers (say Kei Igawa) than off other pitchers (say Wang).

    There’s some evidence that shows that the yankee’s defense (as measured by zone rating) is better when Wang is pitching than when other pitchers are. This may be due to hitter’s generally not making sold contact off Wang’s two seamer (hitting the ball on the bottom part of the bat instead of the sweet spot for instance).

  199. Jimmy 27 April 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Hmmmm

    Now THAT’s comedy!

  200. Fran April 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    ‘That’s a horrible picture of Shemp – he’s much better looking in person.”

    Don’t think so – he’s been dead for over 50 years.

  201. Seth April 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Good stuff, Pete. Had me laughing!

  202. EARLY REPORT April 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Bonds signs 3-year deal with Detroit. The Tigers announce that June 5th will be Bulbhead Doll Night at Comerica Park.
    An obviously elated Sheffield says, ” Between Barry and me, we’ll jettison at least 120 baseballs to the seats”.
    Overcome with emotion, Selig says, ” This will bring the game to financial heights that Exxon-Mobil will envy”.
    Manager Jim Leyland sends clubhouse boy to get 5 cartons of Marlboros for backups in his office at Comerica.
    More later on the 6:00 PM business report ….

  203. S.o.S.27 April 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Hows everyone doing in the ncaa tournament. I had 12 of the final 16. 6 of the final 8. 3 of the final 4. Go Kansas and ucla. Kansas champs.

    I think the Yankees should do an april fools joke where they change the locks on the stadium on Pavano. Would it still be a joke if we never gave him the new set of keys?

  204. mel April 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Jeremy & CB, Thanks!

  205. Jimmy 27 April 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Fran -
    it was meant as a joke – I guess not.

  206. S.o.S.27 April 1st, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Speaking of Pavano. Will Zito be a bigger rippoff than Pavano has been? Whats he have another 5 years left on his contract.Would you rather have your money wasted on a guy always on the dl or one that keeps getting pounded on the mound? Zito’s fastball is down to 84. Could he of possibly been on some type of enhancements during his early years?

    I guess he can always go be on a band or something. If all else fails.

  207. mel April 1st, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    How’s the weather? The radar looks like they could’ve played the game this afternoon.

  208. Clare April 1st, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Doreen,
    You can get wine shipped to NY now. That law was changed at some point.

  209. Patrick April 1st, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    hmm and CB,

    Great explanations like always. BABIP is useful but in my opinion it’s flawed. Like CB said, hitters get better swings and make better contact against worse pitchers. I think it is a more useful statistic for hitters because they face many different pitchers so theoretically every batter faces the same amount of bad pitchers and good pitchers.

  210. mel April 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    pat,

    I’m sorry. I blanked. Of course I remember you’re one of the “guys”.

  211. Fran April 1st, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Jimmy – So was mine!

  212. Yankee4life! April 1st, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Pete, try a bit harder next year!
    If it were a bit more realistic you might have fooled some people.:-)

  213. Jimmy 27 April 1st, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    D’oh! my bad

    He was quite a looker back in the day…….

  214. Jimmy 27 April 1st, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Mel weather is 60 and overcast – could have played
    I hope the Monsoon that they called for does not hit us a 7 – I could not deal with another postponement

  215. Jeremy April 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    BABIP is a useful indicator of whether a player’s stats are inflated or deflated by factors outside of his control, such as defense.

    There was a discussion earlier of the value of Ks. K rate and BABIP are complementary concepts. A pitcher with a high K rate is less likely to be victimized by bad defense or luck than one who pitches to contact, because he does not allow balls to be put in play as often. If a pitcher with a high K rate has the same BABIP as a pitcher with a low K rate, the former pitcher will allow fewer baserunners than the latter.

  216. NJ in Tampa April 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Does anyone know if they are going to auction off the seats at Yankee Stadium eventually, like they did with the original seats before they renovated the stadium?

  217. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    I would like to believe the Yankees took into consideration that people already took the day off of work, and likely wouldn’t be able to take antoher day off to go to the stadium. Hense the 7pm start time.

  218. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge April 1st, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    I would like to believe the Yankees took into consideration that people already took the day off of work, and likely wouldn’t be able to take antoher day off to go to the stadium. Hense the 7pm start time.

  219. hmmm April 1st, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    “Will Zito be a bigger rippoff than Pavano has been?”

    i think so. it’s like triple the money. and probably uninsured because of the contract length.

    the yankees (maybe, not sure) at least might be collecting insurance this season on Pavano.

  220. rbj April 1st, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    What, they aren’t going to replace Melky with Paul O’Neil?

    Torre said: “I like Melky, he’s a good kid, but he’s still just a kid. I need a veteran warrior like Paulie. It doesn’t matter that he’s been retired for a few years or that he’ll be playing out of position in CF. We might move him back to right if we can get Bernie back.”

  221. Doreen April 1st, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Jennifer –

    I did read in Star Ledger that that was one of the considerations for a 7 pm start. I’m sure if it looked like rain in the evening, it would have been a day game. It is good that more people should be able to make it, though.

    Clare -

    Lucky NY! I’m here in NJ and they still don’t trust us to pump our own gas, much less order our own wine!!!

  222. CB April 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    “I think it [BABIP] is a more useful statistic for hitters because they face many different pitchers so theoretically every batter faces the same amount of bad pitchers and good pitchers.”

    I disagree a bit about BABIP and hitters. I think it’s one useful piece of information about pitcher’s because there is no doubt that there is some component of randomness to where a ball is hit that is independent of the pitcher.

    BABIP has been getting used for hitters more and more. I’ve seen it often said that hitter’s with a BABIP over .300 have been “lucky.” That statement implicitly assumes that there is no component of hitting skill associated with BABIP for a player.

    This is not correct.

    There is definitely a component (probably significant) of skill involved with a hitter’s BABIP. Assuming a standard for BABIP of .300 eliminates hitting skill from the analysis.

    As one example – to speak about BABIP for a hitter and “luck” you are essentially assuming that all hitter’s hit the ball equally hard.

    But there is no reason to expect that after ARod makes contact with the ball that it’s as likely to be a hit as when say Miguel Cairo does. But that’s what BABIP does the way it most commonly is.

    Outside of the home runs, one of the most striking things about ARod’s season was how consistently hard he hit the ball. Over and over again the type of contact he was making was clear even to the eye. There’s no reason to expect him to have had a BABIP of .300 last year.

    And in general player’s who hit more line drives are going to have higher BABIP.

    BABIP is going to be useful for tracking hitter’s performance from year to year. Hitter’s will likely have around the same BABIP over their career’s. If there is an outlier one year you can probably expect some regression to the mean.

    But it clearly has a strong component of skill involved with it as well as some random chance.

  223. saucY April 1st, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    ““so would a caught foul ball be included?”

    yes, i believe so.”

    sounds like they need a part adjusted BABiP… ;)

    just thinking about it makes my brain hurt a little…

  224. saucY April 1st, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Doreen, you should be able to order on that shopriteliquors link i posted. (i think)

  225. trisha April 1st, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    About Neyer – if he has the Yankees taking the division, buy your playoff tickets now. There isn’t a bigger Dead Sox sycophant other than Peter Gammons. And, oh yeah, Mike Lupica.

    But anyway, I have it as a safe bet. Buster and Neyer? That’s a you betcha if I ever saw one.

  226. GIANTS RULE ALL April 1st, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    You really could have come up with something better.

  227. bronxbomber77 April 1st, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    READ THIS FOR LAUGHS ONLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Pete, I appluad you… I, for one, in my humble opinion, think this was brilliant. Absolutly histerical. I love Papers that do April Fools pranks!

    Living in a small coastal town in Maine, we have two papers. Neither is a daily: One publishes once a week (a dinosaur in the world of journalism) and one publishes three times a week.

    The three/a week paper does a fake sports story and a fake news story every April Fools Day. Quick story…

    Last year, the news story was about a 17th century, fully-preserved Victorian house being found at the bottom of the pit at our town dump. In an effor to retract the house and pull it from the dump, the newspaper said the local police and Waste Management Commisioner asked that local residents BURN thier trash in trash cans behind thier houses. While 99% of the people figured out it was a joke, a 90-year old woman actually did it, and burned down her garage in the process. She tried to get an attorney to sue the paper but later dropped her suit. I think she was just scornful after realizing she was the only one in our town that fell for it… Pretty funny, IMHO.

    The sports story was even better. The sports writer for the rag wrote a 10-inch piece about a new tranfer student from Japan (in the wake of the whole Dice-K signing) named (get this) Higotcha Ghood (get it– I gotcha good!). He was a lefty, at 17, that stood 6 foot 9 and threw 98 mph. He came from the small town of Fooldya, Japan. The writer even got the athletic Director, the varsity coach and a few of the players to get in on the joke and give quotes.

    The story blew up, to the point where the school was fielding calls from the large papers in Maine, the dailies, from the big cities. The town’s competing paper (the once a week job) called the school 10 times to leave messages to try and get an interview. Channel 5 (WABI) in Maine caught on to the story and sent a camera crew to the first varsity baseball practice to catch a glimpse of Higotcha Ghood.

    In my very, very humble opinions, one of the funniest things I’ve ever read and witnessed…..

    Kudos Peter !!!!!!!!!!!!! Screw these stooges who call it lame, silly and stupid. When did humans lose their sense of humor?!?!?!??!?!?!

  228. bronxbomber77 April 1st, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Sorry, the Japanes pitcher was from Lafooledya, Japan. Not Fooldya. I actually cut this story out of the paper and saved it… So So funny….

    The best part of the prank story was that it started like this…:

    “A Pitcher Revered In Laphooledya (Japan), Found Out On Location Sunday night that his transfer to Camden Hills Regional High School had successfully gone through, meaning he was the new ace of the Windjammers’ varsity baseball team….”

    Look closer at the first sentence…. Take the first letter of the first ten words (the letters that are capitalized, not including Japan, which is in parenthesis for a reason and check out what it spells….

    A-P-R-I-L F-O-O-L-S

  229. Sean Serritella Yankees Daily April 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    WHAT THE HECK IS THIS??? WHY IS JOE TORRE COMING BACK TO THE YANKEES??? THIS ISN’T COOL AT ALL!!!!

  230. Christine April 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    That was pretty good, Pete.

    I like the Boston Dirt Dogs’ one better: “Roger Clemens Set to Return to Redsox.”

    http://www.bostondirtdogs.com/

    I’m a Yankees fan, of course, but I love their humor.

  231. Nick in SF April 1st, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    test

  232. Roger April 1st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Well, Pete..You really got me fooled for 1 second. But, that’s not funny.

  233. Suspect Mechanics April 1st, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    “I have consistently proven I can take an obscene payroll and build a team that will lose in the first round of the playoffs,” Cashman said during a seven-hour conference call with the media.

    Ouch. There’s no brown on Pete’s nose, folks.

  234. Jo April 2nd, 2008 at 1:31 am

    Ha! Good one! I definetly fell for it!!!

  235. Spence McGill April 3rd, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Peter,

    Love the ice cream column, thought you might enjoy Notes From the Deathstar.

    http://www.notesfromthedeathstar.typepad.com

    - spence.

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