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There were nearly 2,000 comments on the first two “in-game” posts of the season. Thanks to everybody for reading, participating and having so much passion for the Yankees.
But …
I literally don’t have the time to go through the comments and weed out the useless ones. Beyond that, I’m not sure I should. Unless somebody violates LoHud.com’s terms of service, they’re free to post. Beyond that, I work for the newspaper. We like the whole freedom of speech thing.
However, I can encourage responsible posting.
This blog, from its inception in February of 2006, has encouraged a high level of baseball discussion. We get that for the most part. There are few personal attacks and most people are polite and intelligent.
I love that we get people from all walks of life, too. I’ve received e-mails from cabbies to Congressmen. College kids to 89-year-old grandmothers. We get posters from every country you can think of. But think before you post.
Can I suggest a few guidelines?
1. Ignore the trolls. Every blog has them and in our case they’re mostly Red Sox fans. Just don’t respond, period. They will go away.
2. Do not write “first!” if you’re the first person to comment on a post. This isn’t second grade.
3. If the Yankees give up a run or lose a game, please refrain from declaring the season is over. You just look stupid. Or did you forget what happened last year and the year before that and the year before that? One pitch or one game does not a season make. Just relax.
4. Writing, “Yesssss!!!” after somebody gets a hit is a not a quality post.
5. Don’t post in ALL CAPS or in bold to make your point. Try writing something intelligent instead. That works better.
6. I’m all in favor of you referencing a story from another paper or web site. Just please note your source so the writer gets proper credit. And don’t post entire stories, post a link.
7. If there is a persistent knucklehead or two, please send me an e-mail letting me know who the person is, an example of their idiocy and the time of their post and I’ll see what I can do.
My main job is covering the team, not moderating this blog. Ideally, you’ll police yourselves. Registration won’t help because any chucklehead can make up a gmail address and post. I also don’t like the idea of shutting people out. Newspapers are trying to gain readers on line, not lose them.
I’ve worked very hard to try and make this blog your conduit to the Yankees. Don’t let a few dopes spoil it. Ignore them and write what you want to write when you post. Trust me, plenty of good, smart people are reading it.
Thanks so much for reading,
Pete
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Peter Abraham
Some of the pro Yankee comments last night were as annoying as the trolls.
Pete you are preaching to the choir!! Well said!
You’re not shutting people out by requiring registration.
If you provide a good product and something worth reading, people will come here and read what you’ve got to say.
It’s as simple as that.
Well said Pete!
C’mon – Marv Albert made a mint saying, “Yesssss!!!”
it’s harmless fun.
I fully expect the amount of trolls and pointless comments to go down as the seasons gets into full swing.
It’s the opening week, everybodys overly excited about the start of the season, myself included.
I live in Boston, so being able to head to the local bar to watch and talk about the Yankee game just doesn’t happen, so I really enjoy coming here and talking with you folks as if we were sitting in the same row at the stadium..
I’m not going to let a few trolls ruin that for me.
Good insights Pete – - – I think people will learn to sift through the chuckleheads and focus on posts that have something meaningful to say.
This is a great blog despite a handful of nuts.
Very nice post Pete
The problem is people treat this blog as if its a message board or a chat room. It’s main purpose is for Pete to give us information on the Yankees. So you should comment in context to what he’s posting, not turn it into a gamethread or a chat room.
I was so hoping to see “first” when I looked at the first comment. Does that make me a bad person?
Not first!
Mauro – you took my idea. I was thinking that before I saw your post
Pete – #3… very funny, and very prevalent.
Well said, but there’s a bit of pro-Yankee reaction from you at times, Peter, by which I mean you try to quell people who have opinions about the team which are less-than-glass-half-full.
For instance, you said Mike Mussina wasn’t bad last night. I don’t know what game you were watching, but he was quite bad in the game I watched.
Moose went 5.2 innings, giving up 8 hits and four runs. (The un-earned run should be earned because Mussina, in failing to cover first on the first-inning grounder, was complicit in the error.)
That’s an ERA of nearly five for the night and a WHIP of nearly two.
If that constitutes “not pitching badly,” then we can all look forward to Moose “not pitching badly” for the rest of the season, because the numbers he put up last night are pretty close to what I expect from him this year.
People who say he pitched poorly-
which he did-are told they are overreacting. Nonsense.Peter – I haven’t really posted since the end of last season but I read this blog every day.
Thanks for your hard work and for these guidelines. The faithful blog posters now have something to refer the ‘bad posters’ to. Great list!
Okay, V – you just crossed the line.
I didn’t want to this, but I think we need school uniforms to restore order.
Points well made and although it’s not easy at times, ignoring the trolls or whatever they care to be known as, is the best route.
Think of it as people that would not otherwise trash talk face to face. Hidden at a keyboard gives some a sense of entitlement. Nothing overrides good baseball talk.
Stephen:
That’s NOT pitching badly. Badly would be giving up 8 runs in two innings. It also wasn’t great. Just like Pete said. Also, since he’s in essence our 5th starter (even though he won’t pitch in that slot because of the innings limits on Hughes and Kennedy – which are very founded, BTW) and with the offense the Yankees have, I would definitely take a start like that from Moose all season. He kept us in the game, ate some innings and gave the offense a chance to win it. That’s all you need from your 5th starter.
NJ,
someone posted FIRST!! then posted a follow up saying that they were joking, but both posts got deleted.
Stephen,
Mussina gave a decent #5 starter performance. He happened to be in the #2 slot last night, matched against another #2. Against a lot of the #5’s in the AL, he probably gets enough run support to overcome 4 runs over 6 innings. Whether or not that kind of performance is going to be acceptable depends on whether Hughes and Kennedy pitch well enough for him to be considered a #5.
“It’s main purpose is for Pete to give us information on the Yankees. So you should comment in context to what he’s posting, not turn it into a gamethread or a chat room.”
If all you’re here for is content from Pete, why are you reading the comments at all?
There’s a thriving community that enjoys posting and debating here on this blog. Many people enjoy the content that created by the posters. Who are you to tell us not to generate that content?
Bravo, Pete! very well said.
I still read this blog several times a day, but I sometimes I just can’t bear going through the comments. Some people seriously need to grow up. Fast.
I agree with Amar. It’s so hard to follow the comment thread when there are five or six personal conversations in between game comments. IM, people!
Also, about registration. The site Gothamist.com didn’t have registration for years. The comments got so out of hand-
racism, personal attacks and general negativity-that they eventually required registration. Majestically, the negativity disappeared overnight. There’s something about the physical act of registering that scares away jerkfaces.P.S. I’m a different Stephen than the one who posted about Mussina. Time to change my name.
23RD!!!! YESSSSSSSSS!!!! lol just having fun. Let’s go Hughes, show us why we passed up on an expensive/ HOF pitcher.
Viva la lunatic fringe!
Hi, can someone please tell me what time Peter is posting the lineup every afternoon? is it about 5 O’clock? thanks in advance, Bye.
Your evaluation of Moose’s performance is based on your expectations for him vs. league average (which is what he was last night).
I think league avg. for Moose + good-case-scenarios for the youngsters + 1-2 hot pitchers in October (out of our 6 SP options) = great October baseball for Yankee fans.
let the record show I chose the Reds over the Cubs this season (just want to get that out)
I’m pretty new here, so I’m not looking to tick off long-time readers and posters (Billy Wagner might say, “Know your place, ROOK!”).
But I can attest that wading through the flame wars, private chit-chat, and off-topic posts is frustrating, and detracts from the experience of following all the good posts and comments.
In light of Amar’s comment above, maybe it makes sense to set up a separate blog or space for in-game commentary and chatting? If you look at the column to the right, there are about 50 links to web sites fans have set up for themselves, where they (presumably) can say whatever they want. Setting up a Blogspot/Wordpress blog is pretty trivial. Unless the Journal News figures out how to get a bulletin board going, perhaps we should create our own outlet.
In baseball related news, the K.C. Royals are having their way again with the Tigers. It’s 3-0 IN Detroit, bottom of the 6th.
“The problem is people treat this blog as if its a message board or a chat room. It’s main purpose is for Pete to give us information on the Yankees. So you should comment in context to what he’s posting, not turn it into a gamethread or a chat room.”
this is a good point. i often forget this myself.
Pat, you totally blew it. You so should’ve commented “first!”
Kidding, relax.
Alright Pete well said. i have to say I bit at the bait the trolls were dropping in the water. I will refrain from responding to them from now on.
OK onto more urgent matters. I have to fill out my Premiership Predictions for the week. I have Arsenal down to beat Liverpool 2-1 this weekend. Anyone else agree?
What several of you are asking for is to move some chatting that goes on to AIM or some other forum. Sorry, not gonna happen. That’s what makes this site kind of unique. It’s a “mash-up” (sorry saucy), site that has a little of everything.
Pete doesn’t have a problem with it so why should you?
Although I admit that not all of it interests me. For example, I know entirely more than I care to about how cold and snowy it is in Syracuse. (Hi Rebecca)
But then again what other place can I go to get this much info on my favoriter team? I don’t know of one.
I dont know about the rest of you, but Im sick of hearing about how “pesky” David Eckstein is. He sucks, just because he is of abnormal baseball player size he he gets unwarranted love.
One more thing:
We all love Pete, he’s a nice guy.
But It is TOTALLY unnecessary to post vapid posts like “RIGHT ON PETE!” or “WELL SAID PETE” or “I AGREE PETE” every time the guy says something. It’s pointless, makes the comment thread painful to read and not to mention you come of like the giddy little fanboys over at Phil Hughes’ blog.
Yes, we all like Pete, that’s why we read his blog in the first place.
If you aren’t advancing the conversation, you are only detracting from it.
HR: KC: A. Gordon (2), M. Teahen (1)
HR: DET:......
Midland,
I think that regardless of the format, if comments are allowed, we’ll have exactly what we have here.
This set up works, for if you only wish to read the posts, you don’t have to click comments. An ignore function and an edit function would make a huge difference, and i think the only people who’ve been against registration have been the trolls.
There are some really great posters here, and it’s developed into a close knit community (at least it looks that way from one of those who lurks in the shadows). What the commenters add trancends the updates, and are a big part of why this blog is what it is.
Club Bronx website, listed at the right, does have registration, and is set up for in-game chatting. I haven’t tried it myself yet over there (the in-game chatting part, that is—I have posted there in its forums—fora??), but it might be a good option.
Every blogger complains about “First!” posters. Forget Pete. You’ll have an easier time wiping out cock roaches.
‘It’s a “mash-up†(sorry saucy), ’
lol
– of course i was refering more to when it’s used to describe music.
“I dont know about the rest of you, but Im sick of hearing about how “pesky†David Eckstein is.”
i was shocked to see him in the top 5 web-gems tuesday night, and no Melky.
Saucy –
Seriously – Melky was not in the web-gems? What would a person have to do that he did not do? What, in fact, did Eckstein do to warrant inclusion?
Kansas City is playing well. Hope they cool off by the time the Yankees go there on Tuesday. (Actually I guess it will be up to the Yanks to cool them off)
i was shocked to see him in the top 5 web-gems tuesday night, and no Melky.
Why were you surprised its ESPN and Melky is a Yankee (and was positive news) those combos don’t work LOL
registration is horrible idea. you will lose about 70% of visitors.
Sure, we can do w.out da trolls, but I’m all for personal banter. It adds flavor to the stew. I like reading a back-and-forth btwn Doreen and SJ.
This joint is alot like an opinionated No.4 train or ya friendly-neighborhood corner-bar(like Yankee Tavern or Farrell’s).
Silent reading rooms, suck.
first! damn, too late.
Well said Peter
March 4th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Pro-mussina (will eat crow if mussina bombs) = SJ44, jennifer, andrea, rebecca, hmmm, john, brandon, wsr
Anti-mussina (banned if mussina wins more than 8 games and posts an era below 6)= anti-mussina, ??? (tell me if you want to be added here)
lol YankeeDiva. i should have known better. i thought they may have been turning over a new leaf. Eckstein was #5, so i thought for sure Melky would be one of the top 4.
Doreen, it was the bare-handed catch he made on the lightly tossed ball from the 2nd baseman (which i think we scored on).
come to think of it, isn’t it an oxymoron that a bare-handed catch made the list of ‘web-gems’?
tigers coming back
Pesky Dave’s miraculous bare handed grab on Aaron Hills flip on Matsushi’s should have been double play ball that gave us the lead….that play
“i was shocked to see him in the top 5 web-gems tuesday night, and no Melky.
Why were you surprised its ESPN and Melky is a Yankee (and was positive news) those combos don’t work LOL :)”
I still remember them leaving The Catch out of their year-end top 10. Considering not only the difficulty of it but the significance (robbing the Sox of a game-tying HR), that was pretty insulting.
But then Melky is supposed to be grossly overrated by us Yankee fans, so it’s understandable.
glenzig = buzzkill
Lightn up, Francis. We’re not supposed to be the Harvard Club.
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“Anti-mussina (banned if mussina wins more than 8 games and posts an era below 6)= anti-mussina, ??? (tell me if you want to be added here)”
we’ll miss you
OH CRAP THE PHILLIES COMING BACK
Anti-moose,
his era is below 5, so it looks like we’re doing ok?
yeah, he pitched pretty good last night. i believe that’s as good as he gets. once he gets bombed his era will jump to 75.
I see KC is beating the Tigers, 4-1, in the 8th. Two points:
1. KC is better than a lot of people think. Not saying they’re world-beaters, but they are improved. (Omar never should have traded Brian Bannister for that relief pitcher, I forget his name, Burgos or something (excuse me) – who has done nothing for the Mets; and how much would they like to have Bannister now?)
2. How many of us think the Tigers’ season is over because they’re looking at 0-3 start?
3. There are a lot of good teams in the AL.
Looks like there’s a chance the Yanks may get an unscheduled day off or 2 with all the rain predicted for Friday & Saturday.
With all the consecutive game days on the schedule and the innings limitations this year on Ian Kennedy, would it be wise to take advantage of a rainout on Friday ( if there were a rain out) and skip Kennedy’s turn? The Yanks would save some innings for Kennedy for later in the season. Whud du ya think?
OK, it was actually three points. No comments about how I can’t count.
mussina is done. the season is over.
I try not to pimp my site like this too often, because I don’t want to be a nuisance or appear to be a spammer, but I just wanted to remind everyone that my site was designed with exactly these things in mind that have been brought up by Pete and others. I don’t mention it too often, not only because I have a great deal of respect for Pete, but also out of respect for other posters that have their own blogs/sites.
I first set up Club Bronx because I really liked people here and at other blogs whom I wanted the option to communicate directly with at times. Like other message boards, you can send private messages and emails through the site in confidence. More importantly, the site is organized so that if you want to start a new discussion thread on a tangent that pops into your head in the middle of something else, you have full reign to do so. And yes, there is a live streaming chat room that doesn’t require refreshing pages when you want to carry on a continuous discussion. I think Pete’s reasons for not having registration and moderating are valid here in accordance with LoHud’s policies and site objectives and I can understand them. Because I have the freedom and authority to do so, my message boards do require registration and I won’t allow trolls to ruin a good time for everyone. I don’t consider my site a replacement for posting here or at other blogs – just an alternative if those are features that are important to you. You can also customize your profile with avatars, etc. – if you want to put “Mission 2708” or something in your signature line, you can. If you want to be able to post and share pictures with people, you have that option as well. In short, I created the site as a place where Yankee fans can have a community where they can have fun together through all of these things that are not predominant in blog formats.
So please stop by – as Pete said, there are a lot of great people here with baseball knowlegde that I would be honored to have pop in when they can at Club Bronx. It’s different from a blog though, so if the format is confusing or foreign to you, you can certainly feel free to contact me regarding how to do things – and there is a pretty good FAQ section on the site about how to post and format text, add emoticons, etc. If it looks like there’s not much activity there right now… all I can say is the more people that come by and jump into discussion, the less that will be the case.
Thanks –
Wolf
http://www.clubbronx.com
5. Don’t post in ALL CAPS or in bold to make your point. Try writing something intelligent instead. That works better.
Damn!Pete were you talking about me? Blockquote no longer works and i thought this way would be easier to the eye. Let me know. YOUR THE BEST PETE!!
As far as some saying stick to the subject. I agree with whozat in saying if your only interested in what peter writes then just read his stuff. This has become a tight nit family. You cant have 200 comments on Bruce Springstein, Santana,Clemens(everyday). I think we all respond to the what pete posts and then venture outside the lines. If your only interested in some of the posters then if im not mistaken you can press f5 or f6 and type their name. WHALA!! You wont have to read my top 10’s,Brandons and mels play by plays,whozat and hmmm calling you out,Or anti making enemies.
Being able to bring different things to the table(when times are slow) or making each other bust up is what makes this blog #1.
There’s a thriving community that enjoys posting and debating here on this blog. Many people enjoy the content that created by the posters. Who are you to tell us not to generate that content?
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This is very well answered by:
“The problem is people treat this blog as if its a message board or a chat room. It’s main purpose is for Pete to give us information on the Yankees. So you should comment in context to what he’s posting, not turn it into a gamethread or a chat room.â€
There are some well nice regulars here who do tend to make posts about their personal lives. Understand, this is a Yankees Baseball Blog, not a chat room.
Less Intelligent, informative posts >>> More post w/garbage.
We should try to refrain from talking politics (guilty) and even baiting (gee… just like a Democrat!). We should realize that explaining whats happening with school or our job dies not really directly relate to the Yankees (imagine if we all did this).
But Pete… please back off the ‘freedom of speech’ thing. You can’t yell ‘fire’ in a movie theater or even talk loudly in a library. This is a ‘private’ blog (meaning private ownership) and you have every right, and even an obligation for the sake of maintaining quality and continuity, to ban people. And registration DOES work, especially if it is done with a ‘reture email during the registration process in order to register’. It works VERY well.
P.S. I’m holding a forum on the different between “Your” and “You’re”. Attendance recommended.
“This is very well answered by:”
My post was an answer to the post you just quoted back to me.
Wow..The Royals just beat the Tigers again!
I see KC is beating the Tigers, 4-1, in the 8th.
I guess Granderson makes that motor run.
I dont see K.C.,Tampa,Reds,Pirates,Brewers(will contend)being puch overs any longer. I wouldnt be surprised if the wild card team barely got to 90 games this year.
Sorry. Meant 90 wins.
3-0…job done boys, time to start losing (think Monday…0
I don’t have anything to say really. Just wanted to say “Hi”. And, uh, GO YANKEES!!!!.
(these night games are my drive time, so when I check in later, I’m hoping for good comments. Not because I want them to be positive, because that means there’s something to be positive about. Go Phil. Don’t worry about the weight of the franchise being on your shoulders. It’s no big deal. It’s only the last season in the stadium and millions of fans are counting on you to bridge the past and the future. And not so many fly ball outs. And…oh never mind, just go do your thing.)
SoS,
Didn’t watch or follow, but I’m thinking 10/6/7 in 30 minutes? But it really helped having him there, to work the game inside to out. They drastically reduced the 3 point attempts. Down to 20. lol. So Dallas had a little subterfuge going on. Faked everyone out, even had Dirk saying he wasn’t going to play. Couldn’t push off & was basically a stiff on the floor. But they won. I’m kind of torn between which 2 I want in between Dallas/GS/Denver. Pick your poison.
Cashman will be on 1050 ESPN shortly
Look, I used to post on a couple different boards. They all required registration. They all still had reams of trolls. People could make their own threads into which they could migrate new conversations…this usually resulted in multiple threads being created to talk about the same event/idea and you’d have to check all of them in order to figure out where the active discussion was.
The reason I like posting and reading here is that it’s basically like a forum where the discussion is generally guided by whatever Pete posts, and that generally helps keep us all in one discussion at the same time. Maybe a few.
I agree wholeheartedly with what Pete said. But I don’t agree that we should restrict our comments to the post at hand and only that post. I much prefer to allow the debate to range widely across Yankee topics.
OldYanksFan-Understand, this is a Yankees Baseball Blog, not a chat room.
Does having 27 closets count as baseball talk? Come on O.Y.F. We all have fun in here. Just because one doesnt feel like reading a different subject that day doesnt mean they wont tomorrow. If it wasnt for the closets,movies,garbage pail kids,parachute pants,best actors,all time greatest athletes,best bands,what 3 sports stars would you want to have dinner with and Pavano jokes. We wouldnt have gone through the most grueling offseason ever. Heck even Peter talks about his boy BRUCE. Cant we all just get along?
Oh i forgot. 80’s lunchpales vs. todays.
mel,
Damn mel. That was 2 threads ago. Keep up will ya. You dont want Denver. Anyone else but them. Thats why id almost prefer being a 3 or 4 seed. As i think 7 and 8 are going to give the top seeds fits.
I’m pretty much a daily reader of the blog, but don’t always feel the need to comment. I love the free flowing ramdomness of the comments including the converstations and the informational blurbs(at times one and the same).
As for the season, lets, as a group enjoy it, disect it, and live it. Although the starting pitching isn’t great, it’s very good and the offense will take us a long ways.
Above all chill, grab a brew(or other drink of choice and toast all that is Yankee. 27 in 08!!
I’m st Stephen who started the Mussina talk.
You can’t call Moose the team’s #5 starter when the young arms are on such strict innings limits. The fact is this: if the playoffs started TODAY, Moose would pitch game 2, since Pettite is hurt. With Pettite in there he moves to game 3.
Compare his stats with other #3 starters: not good.
If, the good lord willing, Hughes and Kennedy stay healthy and keep their innings low and pitch well then yes, maybe in October they will move above Mussina on the depth chart, but at this point in time he is not our #5 starter.
VTYankee fan,
Im with you 27 in 08!! Thanks for the possitive post.
This reminds me of college when my roomate and I had a list of 10 things on a marker board that would get you thrown out of the room. Bad conversations, politics.
“The fact is this: if the playoffs started TODAY, Moose would pitch game 2, since Pettite is hurt. With Pettite in there he moves to game 3.”
Actually, if the playoffs started today, there would be nothing stopping the kids from starting before Moose. They’re all comfortably under their innings limits.
you’re the man Pete you know that!
stupid trolls lol
But I love hunting trolls !
Well said Pete
Floating Head Doctor
April 3rd, 2008 at 3:38 pm
mussina is done. the season is over.
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What a shame. With the playoffs starting next Monday, there’s nothing to look forward to until 2009.
Eighty-seventh!!
Just easing the tension, baby…just easing the tension!
Would Mike Lupica and John Stirling be considered trolls of their own media?
If I begin to hear Stirling proclaim a Yankees victory, I will knock anything out of my way (expensive china, full coffee cups, toddlers) to reach over and change the station before he can reach his crescendo.
I think the pro-Yankee comments are a product of the early season excitement. I am definitely guilty of the “Yes!” comments after a big play, and at least for me, I don’t expect to post like that once the “first week fever” wears out.
As usual, we need to ignore the trolls.
I am in favor of registration.
Another great post, Pete.
I hope you can enjoy your time off.
I am in favor of registration too, if that is what you want.
I just wanted to let you and the regulars around here know what a wonderful treat it is to get real Yankee news/rumors/humor from your blog as opposed to ESPN or FOX and reading the asinine comments. Almost everyone of them is bleep the Yankees and this or that. Ugh! I LOVE THIS BLOG! And you do a great job of keeping the riff raff out.
Thanks again!
pete: you do a right swell job of things too.
hilarious post pete.
i expect your coverage of the 2008 season to be just like your off-season and spring training coverage – outstanding. thank you for blogging, congratulations on the accolades, enjoy your well-deserved time off and let’s go yankees!
Whozat
Good comments, however if the playoffs started today, the Yankees would noy be playing. Mussina was a great pitcher, he isn’t anymore.
vrsce,
”...if the playoffs started today”? Are you serious? After 2 games? If that’s a serious post, you need to get a life.
In some ways the unpristine nature of the board commentary is like going to the game itself. For those of us not ensconced in the safe environs of the press box or the high-priced seats, annoying characters may abound—including inappropriate talking and shouting, cell phone chatterers, beer spillers, and the like.
You gotta roll with the punches. Ignore idiots and dummies and report genuine trolls and a-holes: seems like the way to go. Works for me, anyway.
3. If the Yankees give up a run or lose a game, please refrain from declaring the season is over. You just look stupid. Or did you forget what happened last year and the year before that and the year before that?
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I didn’t forget. The Yankees have looked bad early in each of the last few seasons, everyone screams “IT IS ONLY APRIL”, then they make a valiant come back… but still fall short.
April does matter.
And the only people that look stupid are the ones who keep saying it doesn’t.
I agree. All caps are lame.
But bold?
What’s wrong with that?
Great rules, especially golden rule #1: don’t feed the trolls.
However, it’s like controling your own temper, you know you shouldn’t have …, you just couldn’t help it…
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