Comments on: New Carmona deal significant to Yanks? http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:35:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anthony http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/comment-page-5/#comment-303383 Anthony Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:24:31 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/#comment-303383 Also, I think IPK gets traded if we bring in CC. That is, if he ever shows anything that anyone would want this year. Also, I think IPK gets traded if we bring in CC. That is, if he ever shows anything that anyone would want this year.

]]> By: Anthony http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/comment-page-5/#comment-303381 Anthony Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:23:31 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/#comment-303381 I completely agree with posters who say to grab both Tex and CC. Solid signings. Tex is in great shape and a great firstbaseman, that move is a no-doubter to me. CC I understand the weight and injury concerns, but we'll have the money and I think he's a good bet. A big lefty like him in Yankee Stadium? Definitely. And I think Pettitte will be back, as well as Abreu. If Austin Jackson reaches star level anytime soon, I think we're looking at moving Damon and Matsui. Although if Matsui continues to do well in a DH role, trade Damon first. Matsui still has a knack for knocking in runs at important times. Damon hasn't really done much to justify keeping him over the past year. I completely agree with posters who say to grab both Tex and CC. Solid signings. Tex is in great shape and a great firstbaseman, that move is a no-doubter to me. CC I understand the weight and injury concerns, but we’ll have the money and I think he’s a good bet. A big lefty like him in Yankee Stadium? Definitely. And I think Pettitte will be back, as well as Abreu. If Austin Jackson reaches star level anytime soon, I think we’re looking at moving Damon and Matsui. Although if Matsui continues to do well in a DH role, trade Damon first. Matsui still has a knack for knocking in runs at important times. Damon hasn’t really done much to justify keeping him over the past year.

]]> By: JeterMack Clutch http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/comment-page-5/#comment-303043 JeterMack Clutch Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:06:21 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/#comment-303043 although it is not out of cashman's plans to sign a free agent pitcher next yr, it is definitely out of the question to sign three^. and Vlad has a club option after this yr (we should have signed him when we had a chance, as with beltran)^^ Back to CC, you all act like signing him would be would ruin all the work our farm system has been doing the past three yrs. We will still have Horne, Sanchez, Garcia, Betances, Heredia, Brackman, Melancon, De La Rosa, ortiz et al; they can try to unseat one of the musketeers because it is a fact that not every prospect becomes a regular. All we would lose is a first rnd draft pick, but we sign all of the high risk/high reward/Over-slot picks anyway so it is moot. And we gain sooo much; 240 innings, 3.6era 1.2whip 8k/9 and a southpaw. sign me up: CC CMW Hughes Chamberlain IPK/Pettitte? Cabrera LF Jeter SS Abreu RF Alejandro 3B Teixeira 1B why not? Matsui DH Cano 2B Posada C Gardner/Ajax CF sign CC 6 yrs guaranteed @ 118mm, tex 5 yrs @ 112mm, Rico 2 yrs @ 25 mm, sign fuentes/romero/marte/rhrp to replace farns,hawk, pettitte - ?long relief lol? mo ohlendorf bruney fuentes melancon sanchez bring it home; number 28 in 09! although it is not out of cashman’s plans to sign a free agent pitcher next yr, it is definitely out of the question to sign three^. and Vlad has a club option after this yr (we should have signed him when we had a chance, as with beltran)^^

Back to CC, you all act like signing him would be would ruin all the work our farm system has been doing the past three yrs. We will still have Horne, Sanchez, Garcia, Betances, Heredia, Brackman, Melancon, De La Rosa, ortiz et al; they can try to unseat one of the musketeers because it is a fact that not every prospect becomes a regular. All we would lose is a first rnd draft pick, but we sign all of the high risk/high reward/Over-slot picks anyway so it is moot. And we gain sooo much; 240 innings, 3.6era 1.2whip 8k/9 and a southpaw. sign me up:
CC
CMW
Hughes
Chamberlain
IPK/Pettitte?

Cabrera LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Alejandro 3B
Teixeira 1B why not?
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Posada C
Gardner/Ajax CF

sign CC 6 yrs guaranteed @ 118mm, tex 5 yrs @ 112mm, Rico 2 yrs @ 25 mm, sign fuentes/romero/marte/rhrp to replace farns,hawk, pettitte – ?long relief lol?

mo
ohlendorf
bruney
fuentes
melancon
sanchez

bring it home; number 28 in 09!

]]> By: MR YANKEES http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/comment-page-5/#comment-302674 MR YANKEES Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:00:22 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/#comment-302674 I THINK THE YANKEES SHOULD BREAK OUT THIS YEAR AND SIGN SABATIA TEXIERA AND ANOTHER STARTING PICHER MAYBE OLIVER PEREZ OR BEN SHEETS OR AJ BURNETT I THINK TEXIERA WILL FIT IN PERFECTLY IN THE YANKEES BATTING 5TH THAT GIVES A-ROD MORE PROTECTION AND THEY NEED ANOTHER TWO STARTERS BECUASE JOBA IS GOING TO TAKE TWO MORE YEARS TO BECOME A FULL STARTER AND IAN KENNEDY TO BE HONEST IAN IS GOING TO GET SENT TO AAA BACK THIS YEAR HE NEEDS MORE WORK AND I THINK THE PICHING ROTACION WILL LOOK LIKE THIS AFTER THIS YEAR CC SABATIA 1RST WANG SECOUND PEREZ/BURNETT OR SHEETS 3RD AND PHIL HUGHES 4TH OR IAN OR JOBA 5TH I THINK THAT ROTACTION WILL TAKE THE YANKEES THOUGH THE SEASON CLEANLY AND ADD SOME DETH IN THE BULLPEN ITS TERRIBLE BYE BYE FRANWORTH!. I THINK THE YANKEES SHOULD BREAK OUT THIS YEAR AND SIGN SABATIA TEXIERA AND ANOTHER STARTING PICHER MAYBE OLIVER PEREZ OR BEN SHEETS OR AJ BURNETT I THINK TEXIERA WILL FIT IN PERFECTLY IN THE YANKEES BATTING 5TH THAT GIVES A-ROD MORE PROTECTION AND THEY NEED ANOTHER TWO STARTERS BECUASE JOBA IS GOING TO TAKE TWO MORE YEARS TO BECOME A FULL STARTER AND IAN KENNEDY TO BE HONEST IAN IS GOING TO GET SENT TO AAA BACK THIS YEAR HE NEEDS MORE WORK AND I THINK THE PICHING ROTACION WILL LOOK LIKE THIS AFTER THIS YEAR CC SABATIA 1RST WANG SECOUND PEREZ/BURNETT OR SHEETS 3RD AND PHIL HUGHES 4TH OR IAN OR JOBA 5TH I THINK THAT ROTACTION WILL TAKE THE YANKEES THOUGH THE SEASON CLEANLY AND ADD SOME DETH IN THE BULLPEN ITS TERRIBLE BYE BYE FRANWORTH!.

]]> By: bronxbomber77 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/comment-page-5/#comment-302531 bronxbomber77 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:04:26 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/#comment-302531 Sabathia ? Sold ! (Just keep him away from Mulberry street and Vaccarro's Cannolis!) In my perfect world, once the Mussina's, Giambis, Farnsworths, are gone from this team, the NYY make two BIG splashes in Free Agency: Big Mark Teixeira --- 6 years, $150M ($25 a year) Ol' CC Sabathia --- 5 years, $145 (with a sixth year vesting option for $30M should he pitch over 200 innings in year five) I hope they keep Pettitte for another year, and I'd love to see Abreu stay on a two year deal. (though part of me thinks he'll want a final, big, career ending deal that will carry him, say four or five years, such as the one Carlos Lee got from HOU a few years back...) A rotation of: CC, Wang, Pettitte, Phil, Ian (Joba stays in the pen, unless Andy doesn't return OR the fairy dust disappears from Hughes or Kennedy) And an infield of Po@ Catcher, Tex @ 1B, Cano @ 2B, A-Rod @ 3B and Jeter @ SS. OF is Damon, Melkman and Abreu (if he stays, if not, Vlad is a free agent after this year, as is Adam Dunn, I believe. I know Vlad is getting old, but after this season, its one more full year (barring a trade) of the Dmaon/Matsui show before they are gone as free agents/retired. Then hopefully one of the kids works out, ie Gardner, Tabata, Duncan, et al. The next few years of transition will be fun to watch. GREAT POST PETE ! Way to stir the pot... Sabathia ? Sold !

(Just keep him away from Mulberry street and Vaccarro’s Cannolis!)

In my perfect world, once the Mussina’s, Giambis, Farnsworths, are gone from this team, the NYY make two BIG splashes in Free Agency:

Big Mark Teixeira — 6 years, $150M ($25 a year)

Ol’ CC Sabathia — 5 years, $145 (with a sixth year vesting option for $30M should he pitch over 200 innings in year five)

I hope they keep Pettitte for another year, and I’d love to see Abreu stay on a two year deal. (though part of me thinks he’ll want a final, big, career ending deal that will carry him, say four or five years, such as the one Carlos Lee got from HOU a few years back…)

A rotation of:

CC, Wang, Pettitte, Phil, Ian

(Joba stays in the pen, unless Andy doesn’t return OR the fairy dust disappears from Hughes or Kennedy)

And an infield of Po@ Catcher, Tex @ 1B, Cano @ 2B, A-Rod @ 3B and Jeter @ SS.

OF is Damon, Melkman and Abreu (if he stays, if not, Vlad is a free agent after this year, as is Adam Dunn, I believe. I know Vlad is getting old, but after this season, its one more full year (barring a trade) of the Dmaon/Matsui show before they are gone as free agents/retired. Then hopefully one of the kids works out, ie Gardner, Tabata, Duncan, et al.

The next few years of transition will be fun to watch.

GREAT POST PETE ! Way to stir the pot…

]]> By: Betsy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/comment-page-5/#comment-302440 Betsy Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:30:15 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/#comment-302440 I can't stand Keith Law. He's arrogant and thinks Phil Hughes is a #3 starter...........bah. I can’t stand Keith Law. He’s arrogant and thinks Phil Hughes is a #3 starter………..bah.

]]> By: rover http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/comment-page-5/#comment-302280 rover Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:58:37 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/#comment-302280 nine games in and apparently 2/3 of the team should be traded or bought out immediately if not sooner. does anyone feel that picking players this time of the year is silly. the water hasn't even risen yet, let alone gone under the bridge. nine games in and apparently 2/3 of the team should be traded or bought out immediately if not sooner. does anyone feel that picking players this time of the year is silly. the water hasn’t even risen yet, let alone gone under the bridge.

]]> By: Mark http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/comment-page-5/#comment-302172 Mark Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:01:50 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/#comment-302172 I'm not sold on Sabathia, especially not to the point of giving him a 5 or 6 year deal. If Joba ends up in the rotation where he belongs (sorry, folks, but a pitcher with 4 ML pitches and that kind of upside is not like Mariano Rivera - the ultimate one-trick pony to stunning effect - and is wasting away in the pen) and Hughes develops into a 2 or 1 starter, Wang and Kennedy will round out the makings of a nice rotation. Throw in Pettitte, or another FA starter, or Horne or a quickly develpoing youngster on the farm, and that's a nice 5. I'd rather they spend the money bringing in Textiera (if he'd come here) and some speed. I’m not sold on Sabathia, especially not to the point of giving him a 5 or 6 year deal. If Joba ends up in the rotation where he belongs (sorry, folks, but a pitcher with 4 ML pitches and that kind of upside is not like Mariano Rivera – the ultimate one-trick pony to stunning effect – and is wasting away in the pen) and Hughes develops into a 2 or 1 starter, Wang and Kennedy will round out the makings of a nice rotation. Throw in Pettitte, or another FA starter, or Horne or a quickly develpoing youngster on the farm, and that’s a nice 5. I’d rather they spend the money bringing in Textiera (if he’d come here) and some speed.

]]> By: S.o.S.27 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/comment-page-5/#comment-302169 S.o.S.27 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:59:31 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/#comment-302169 "There is one 2009 free agent that no one has mentioned - Cashman. Remember, he doesn’t have a contract for next year." Damn i almost forgot about Clemens. “There is one 2009 free agent that no one has mentioned – Cashman. Remember, he doesn’t have a contract for next year.”

Damn i almost forgot about Clemens.

]]> By: ANSKY http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/comment-page-5/#comment-302168 ANSKY Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:59:26 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/10/new-deal-for-carmona-significant-to-yanks/#comment-302168 Mel - The diff between Santana and CC (as already posted in various places) is: Santana could have been had for a huge contract, plus either Hughes or Kennedy, plus Melky, plus a top OF prospect and maybe even Wang. CC could be had for a huge contract (maybe not as huge as Santana's but thats not the point) and only one draft pick. Nothing else. If Santana wins 2 more games a year than CC this year, I'd take the second deal. If he wins 10 more (actually if CC wins 10 less) I'm happy with where we are right now. Mel – The diff between Santana and CC (as already posted in various places) is:

Santana could have been had for a huge contract, plus either Hughes or Kennedy, plus Melky, plus a top OF prospect and maybe even Wang.

CC could be had for a huge contract (maybe not as huge as Santana’s but thats not the point) and only one draft pick. Nothing else.

If Santana wins 2 more games a year than CC this year, I’d take the second deal. If he wins 10 more (actually if CC wins 10 less) I’m happy with where we are right now.

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