Comments on: The Manny-Moose matter http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/ A New York Yankees blog by Sam Borden, Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:30 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: RockinDaBronx http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-308160 RockinDaBronx Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:48:09 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/#comment-308160 April, but it gets late,early. April, but it gets late,early.

]]> By: gdamac http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-306721 gdamac Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:38:38 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/#comment-306721 Is it April, or June? Is it April, or June?

]]> By: jon http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-306635 jon Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:25:42 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/#comment-306635 My god, are you really quoting stats like the # of RBI he has against the Yankees as evidence not to pitch to him? If the Red Sox had runners on 2nd and 3rd with Manny up against the Mariners then perhaps it would be smart for them to pitch to him? 3rd among active players in RBI? Are you kidding me? So given the choice, you'd rather face Manny than Thomas or Griffey? How about Albert Pujols? His career RBI totals suck, right, so you've _got_ to pitch to him. I am fully convinced that the guy from waswatching.com has kidnapped Pete and is writing this blog. Either that or Pete is trying his best to get on FJM thinking it might increase his readership. Pete - please stick to the reporting - you have great interviews, and good access to inside information. My god, are you really quoting stats like the # of RBI he has against the Yankees as evidence not to pitch to him? If the Red Sox had runners on 2nd and 3rd with Manny up against the Mariners then perhaps it would be smart for them to pitch to him?

3rd among active players in RBI? Are you kidding me? So given the choice, you’d rather face Manny than Thomas or Griffey? How about Albert Pujols? His career RBI totals suck, right, so you’ve _got_ to pitch to him.

I am fully convinced that the guy from waswatching.com has kidnapped Pete and is writing this blog. Either that or Pete is trying his best to get on FJM thinking it might increase his readership.

Pete – please stick to the reporting – you have great interviews, and good access to inside information.

]]> By: mike http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-306529 mike Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:26:17 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/#comment-306529 what is w the Damon bashing? Nothing worse than a pessmistic fan what is w the Damon bashing? Nothing worse than a pessmistic fan

]]> By: airandy41 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-306468 airandy41 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:12:54 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/#comment-306468 hi hi

]]> By: Betsy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-306450 Betsy Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:31:46 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/#comment-306450 Anyone read Bill Madden today? He's calling Joe "Clueless Joe" and has stated that Girardi's decision will rank up there in managerial infamy with Grady Little's decision to stay with Pedro Martinez in game 7 of the 2003 ALCS.Seriously - isn't it time that Madden retire? What a clown. Ken Davidoff had a much better piece in Newsday. He disagrees with Joe's decision but doesn't resort to name calling. He also credits Joe with facing up to the media and answering every and all questions. http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spdavidoff135648478apr13,0,2787159.column Anyone read Bill Madden today? He’s calling Joe “Clueless Joe” and has stated that Girardi’s decision will rank up there in managerial infamy with Grady Little’s decision to stay with Pedro Martinez in game 7 of the 2003 ALCS.Seriously – isn’t it time that Madden retire? What a clown.

Ken Davidoff had a much better piece in Newsday. He disagrees with Joe’s decision but doesn’t resort to name calling. He also credits Joe with facing up to the media and answering every and all questions.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....159.column

]]> By: younguns http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-306447 younguns Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:24:00 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/#comment-306447 Whether they would admit to it or not, the players & management staff of the Yankees & Red Sox see each & every game that they play against each other as a playoff-intensity event. Knowing this, here is how I would have phrased the question to Joe Girardi as a reporter after yesterday's loss... Joe, tough loss today, especially since you guys were facing Josh Beckett & also had a lead at one point. Seeing as how both the Yankees & Red Sox play these games like they were in the playoffs, should we expect similar decision-making on your part if the Yankees & Red Sox face each other in the ALCS? Really, I REALLY want to know the answer. After Wang's domination of the Sox on Friday night, a Yankee win over ace Josh Beckett by junk-throwing Mike Mussina would have sent Red Sox Nation into full panic mode & placed an unhealthy helping of self-doubt into the Red Sox psyche. You don't thing so? Just take a look at David "3-for-48" Ortiz. Whether they would admit to it or not, the players & management staff of the Yankees & Red Sox see each & every game that they play against each other as a playoff-intensity event.

Knowing this, here is how I would have phrased the question to Joe Girardi as a reporter after yesterday’s loss…

Joe, tough loss today, especially since you guys were facing Josh Beckett & also had a lead at one point. Seeing as how both the Yankees & Red Sox play these games like they were in the playoffs, should we expect similar decision-making on your part if the Yankees & Red Sox face each other in the ALCS?

Really, I REALLY want to know the answer.

After Wang’s domination of the Sox on Friday night, a Yankee win over ace Josh Beckett by junk-throwing Mike Mussina would have sent Red Sox Nation into full panic mode & placed an unhealthy helping of self-doubt into the Red Sox psyche.

You don’t thing so? Just take a look at David “3-for-48″ Ortiz.

]]> By: younguns http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-306446 younguns Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:22:56 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/#comment-306446 Whether they would admit to it or not, the players & management staff of the Yankees & Red Sox see each & every game that they play against each other as a playoff-intensity event. Knowing this, here is how I would have phrased the question to Joe Girardi as a reporter after yesterday's loss... > Really, I REALLY want to know the answer. After Wang's domination of the Sox on Friday night, a Yankee win over ace Josh Beckett by junk-throwing Mike Mussina would have sent Red Sox Nation into full panic mode & placed an unhealthy helping of self-doubt into the Red Sox psyche. You don't thing so? Just take a look at David "3-for-48" Ortiz. Whether they would admit to it or not, the players & management staff of the Yankees & Red Sox see each & every game that they play against each other as a playoff-intensity event.

Knowing this, here is how I would have phrased the question to Joe Girardi as a reporter after yesterday’s loss…

>

Really, I REALLY want to know the answer.

After Wang’s domination of the Sox on Friday night, a Yankee win over ace Josh Beckett by junk-throwing Mike Mussina would have sent Red Sox Nation into full panic mode & placed an unhealthy helping of self-doubt into the Red Sox psyche.

You don’t thing so? Just take a look at David “3-for-48″ Ortiz.

]]> By: Jeff http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-306441 Jeff Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:18:49 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/#comment-306441 This is a no-brainer. Joe clearly made the right call based on percentages. While Manny's numbers over the last few years are slightly better than Kevin's, they aren't enough to justify the intentional walk. Read some of James Click's work on the subject over at Baseball Prospectus or from the book "Baseball Between the Numbers". Statistically speaking, the difference in batting between Kevin and Manny wasn't big enough to justify an iBB. In 2007, Youkilis actually had better numbers (AVG, OBP and SLG) against right handers than Ramirez. The only real question of Joe's decision making is whether or not he should have brought in Bruney sooner. He made the right call to pitch to Manny. Spend some time looking at the numbers and you'll see it's true. It's a shame the NY Daily News and especially the NY Post had to flaunt their ignorance of fundamentally (and mathematically) sound baseball. -Jeff http://pinstripers.blogspot.com This is a no-brainer. Joe clearly made the right call based on percentages. While Manny’s numbers over the last few years are slightly better than Kevin’s, they aren’t enough to justify the intentional walk. Read some of James Click’s work on the subject over at Baseball Prospectus or from the book “Baseball Between the Numbers”. Statistically speaking, the difference in batting between Kevin and Manny wasn’t big enough to justify an iBB. In 2007, Youkilis actually had better numbers (AVG, OBP and SLG) against right handers than Ramirez.

The only real question of Joe’s decision making is whether or not he should have brought in Bruney sooner.

He made the right call to pitch to Manny. Spend some time looking at the numbers and you’ll see it’s true. It’s a shame the NY Daily News and especially the NY Post had to flaunt their ignorance of fundamentally (and mathematically) sound baseball.

-Jeff
http://pinstripers.blogspot.com

]]> By: SJ44 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-306372 SJ44 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:08:34 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/12/the-manny-matter/#comment-306372 Girardi didn't let Moose make the decision himself. He made the decision in concert with Moose. You can disagree with the decision and I would have also walked Manny. However, there isn't a manager in baseball who isn't going to give input to a veteran pitcher in a situation like that. Why? Because he has to execute the pitches out there. Its the proper protocol in that situation. It just didn't work. Its not little league out there and Girardi has shown he will involve the veterans in decisions. That's why the vets play hard for him. Girardi also took on the heat for the decision after the game. That's how you manage and how you win respect from your players. The strategy didn't work. How the strategy was reached is not in question. Girardi didn’t let Moose make the decision himself.

He made the decision in concert with Moose.

You can disagree with the decision and I would have also walked Manny.

However, there isn’t a manager in baseball who isn’t going to give input to a veteran pitcher in a situation like that.

Why? Because he has to execute the pitches out there.

Its the proper protocol in that situation. It just didn’t work.

Its not little league out there and Girardi has shown he will involve the veterans in decisions. That’s why the vets play hard for him.

Girardi also took on the heat for the decision after the game.

That’s how you manage and how you win respect from your players.

The strategy didn’t work. How the strategy was reached is not in question.

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