QUESTION: when is the earliest the Yankees can promote Shelley? â€
10 days from the day he was sent down. Thatâ€™s the minimum stay when you are optioned.
However, you can come up earlier to fill in for an injury.
So if the yankees wanted to they could bring up Shelley to fill in for Betemit after theyâ€™d put betemit on the DL.
Humberto Sanchez is a terrific prospect – not just good. Before he was hurt he was a shade below an elite level arm.
And the main thing holding him back was the recurrent elbow problems.
Some guys come back from TJ worse. But some come back better.
I was always surprised to see Sanchez only throwing 92-94 when he was in AA. Heâ€™s just a massive kid and looks like heâ€™d throw much harder.
Iâ€™m betting with him that after TJ heâ€™ll pick up a few MPH. He was literally throwing 93-94 in AA with an ligament that looked like a rubber band. When they opened him up his ligatment was much, much worse than what they thought from the MRI. Despite that he was dominating guys in AA for a good part of the season.
Same thing for Andrew Brackman – he was throwing 93-95 for a while even after his elbow started to hurt.
I still say wave goodbye to Carl we have to pay him anyway so at this point why not let him help us he certainly hasnt helped us at all up to this point.
I will ask again the question I asked last night. When will the team be able to re-slot our starters to have Andy move up so we dont have Moose, Hughes and Kennedy all back to back and killing the pen.
lol on the Bruney comeback. Bruney was so good when we first picked up off the trash heap and then he went through some weird stuff last year with frustrations, I guess. So, that’s why I say it’s good, but enjoy it while it lasts. Maybe shorter spurts because he can have flashes of brilliance.
I want all our of guys to succeed so I wish him the best.
“For anyone who hasnâ€™t seen it, thereâ€™s a great youtube clip of Sanchez from the Futures Game about 2 years ago. The guy looks like a monster with great stuff.”
yes it was a great clip until MLB removed it from Youtube the only video up there is Hughes vs Tabata which soon will be pulled too CB.. anyway Sanchez got 3 big outs in that video Kendrick,Bruce and Drew I think
He’s a good example of a guy whose fastball appears to hitters to be much faster than what it’s actually clocked at.
If you look at that video of Sanchez notice the terrific downwards plane he throws from. That’s what makes his fastball so good. He’s 6’5 – 6’6 and throws like it. So it’s not just the speed but how he gets the ball low into the zone consistently.
In that respect Sanchez’s fastball behaves like Joba’s (but slower). They both generate a strong downwards plane and keep the ball low in the zone.
I think the Yanks should replace Betemit with another reliever. Betemit and Ensberg’s spot on the roster have been a waste. One of them should go and open up the opportunity for a 13 man pitching staff. We’re getting be to the point where arms have to be protected. I can see Ross Ohlendorf becoming Scott Proctor.
I posted this on an earlier thread and wanted your thoughts on it.
I have a question to ask everyone. I saw Buckholts and Hughes pitch this weekend. I came out of it thinking that Buckholts stuff just seems criper. Hughes has been up and down since heâ€™s come to the bigs. I know the leg injury had alot to do with his downs. It seems like after his injury, he has had trouble with his control. Not sure if he changed something in his delivery. But i know coming from the minors he was supposed to have pin point control and i havnt seen much of it.
So here it is. If this was another pitcher from the minors like Wright or Clippard for example. Would we be looking for him to be demoted to the minors? Honestly? I have been a big fan of Hughes. But i just wonder if we ignore his flaws because he is supposed to be our future ace/franchise. Potential doesnt guarantee anything in sports. Again im not trying to bash him. Just want to know if weâ€™re a bit blind here and bias towards him.
Might the degree of success after TJ surgery have to do with the motivation of the player involved, at least to some extent? I have heard that what truly makes the TJ surgery so successful is the post-surgery rehab. So might those players who fully commit to the rehab, and fully commit to changing their mechanics (for lack of better knowledge of what’s involved) end up with the best chances for success?
But, also, if a player doesn’t have success after TJ, could it mean that whatever changes in those mechanics needed to be made adversely affected the natural talent the pitcher had?
And, is it a toss-up as to who will rebound after TJ? Or can they guess with some degree of accuracy who has a better chance for post-surgical success?
You’re right. The rehab has a lot to do with it. Generally the problem isn’t velocity it’s command. That happens because it’s almost inevitable that a pitcher’s mechanics will change both from the surgery and the layoff.
So the post surgical routine is very important. The yank’s have been very happy with Sanchez’s committment post operatively to his regimen. He even continued working out through during his honeymoon.
I personally think it also has to do with the organization and their coaching infrastructure.
One of the good things with all the guys they’ve had out with TJ is that the yankees have a real program set up for their rehab – the workouts, the coachhing and how much to make them work during games during the comeback.
That kind of stuff matters. All organizations have strengths. The yankees do an unbelievable job developing pitching prospects. Look at the Pirates – they are horrendous at it (pitiful).
Ultimately it’s a lot of actors but a lot of random chance as well.
When they drafted Sean Henn he was clocked as throwing 99 mph.
He came back throwing 92-93 and could never learn how to pitch with less velocity.
Unfortunate and I don’t know how much you can predict these things.
Hughes isn’t going to succeed because of raw stuff. For that matter, neither is Bucholtz. Both have fastballs ranging from 89-93, with good curveballs. Clay’s changeup is more advanced at this point. Neither one is Joba, who can overwhelm people without hitting the corners (when he does, he’s just that much tougher).
In the minors, the best thing Hughes had going for him was his command of two plus pitches and a developing changeup. His command has been very erratic. There’s little reason to believe it won’t return, and when it does, we’ll see why we didn’t trade him for Santana.
Kennedy is like Hughes, except that the stuff he does have pegs his ceiling as much lower. Hughes has the potential to be an elite No. 2 and a borderline #1. Kennedy’s likely career is as a low-maintenance innings muncher with an above-average ERA.
Kennedy has been awful so far because his command has been awful, and without his command he’s no better than Jeff Karstens. His stuff just isn’t nearly good enough.
Presuming both Hughes and Kennedy are fully healthy, we should see that command return, and with it, two very solid young pitchers. What we’ve seen recently, however, simply comes with the territory. It’s frustrating, but it shouldn’t be discouraging. This isn’t the NFL, where it’s pretty easy to tell who can play and who can’t in the first 5 or so games. Pitching prospects are a fickle lot. If they succeed at all, it can take some time.
Take Edinson Volquez of the Reds. As a Ranger, he was utterly inept as a major leaguer in multiple stints, and looked like a huge bust. As a Red, he’s started having that success he was projected to have. He’ll regress a bit, but he looks like a solid major league starter with some upside.
Oh i see mel. You must have gone to the S.o.S. school of salt to the wound tactics. I thought you were better than that. Didnt i tell you last week that i wanted you guys to win that game. Have to admit i was still rooting for my boys. Be careful for what you wish for. Denver is going to give you guys all you can handle. While we dismantle Phoenix yet another time. I just hope Manu is healthy.
“If this was another pitcher from the minors like Wright or Clippard for example. Would we be looking for him to be demoted to the minors? Honestly? I have been a big fan of Hughes. But i just wonder if we ignore his flaws because he is supposed to be our future ace/franchise.”
You’re looking at prospect development the wrong way.
Of course you look at Phil Hughes differently than you would Wright. You have to. There’s no way you treat them, judge them or stick with them for the same reasons.
Why – Hughes has tremendous talent and the pay off with him could/ will be enormous. Wright doesn’t have that ceiling so you’re much less willing to let him struggle.
It’s a cost benefit situation with young pitchers. Phil is costing them right now but the downstream benefit (which will be later on this year, IMO) makes that up front cost worth it.
Last year Matt Cain went 7-16 and I believe the Giants pulled him from the rotation to make sure he coudln’t lose 20.
Do you think the Giants would have let Noah Lowery struggle like that in the majors? Of course not. The down stream benefit is different.
You have to treat blue chip pitching prospects differently. Being “objective” about them doesn’t mean judging them by some universal standard.
Completely off topic, but has anyone else out there who authors a blog on blogspot been shut down by the “spam robots”? They shut my blog down so they could review it to make sure its not a spam blog, but I was hoping someone knew how long this would take.
We were ready to post an interview with a sports author, but this screws everything up.
“Itâ€™s an interesting question. Philâ€™s career 5 -5 5.06 ERA certainly makes you wonder if we all bought into the hype.”
No – it’s not hype at all. It’s the natural process that young pitchers need to go through in order to develop.
He was the #1 pitching prospect in all of baseball. That was the evaluation of people outside the yankees. He had a WHIP in the minor leagues of 0.86.
Phil Hughes put up numbers in the minor leagues that were historically good.
If you’re doubting what kind of young pitcher he is I highly recommend reading the following article from the Hard Ball Times. It’s less than a year old. They basically try to come up with the best comparable pitching prospects to Hughes in recent history.
Thanks for the input on Hughes. I just hope it all pans out in the end and we dont have a Ruben Rivera of pitching in our hands. Before yesterdays outing. The one possitive that i took from Phils struggles is that teams werent hitting him hard. Yesterday he seemed to regress. Lets hope he has some fight in him and turns it around sooner rather than later.
“Drive 4-5-5) We gave up the oportunity to have the best left hander in baseball in his prime. What choice do we have but to pray reasons #1 -4 arent true? lol”
Thats going to be talked about for his entire carreer. Lets hope it doesnt become a pop quiz question like who went in the draft before Michael Jordan?
My first reaction was that’s gotta be a fake just to make room for a call-up since Betemit has been pretty much useless, but now I wonder who’s gonna cover for Alex while his wife gives birth? If it is a fakeout, I’d like Betemit to pass along whatever prop/fake doctor he used to Fransworth.
I know we’ve all been saying it’s only April but already lots of tough decisions for Girardi with all the injuries and uneven performances.
My thoughts and well wishes are with the Chamberlain family. I hope Harlen pulls through.
Henn is still on the team?!! Unless Ramirez has a better secondary pitch. I cant see him succeeding in the bigs. More like a AAAA pitcher. Last year teams started waiting on his fastball. He either struck hitters out or got hit hard. Im rooting for him but again, he needs another weapon.
I like your thinking. Shelley should be up soon. I just wonder when Betimet pink eye gets better if he can get dl’d with a kinker soar. Gonzalez needs to stay up.