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		<title>By: Don Vito A. Bellamo</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/14/game-14-yankees-at-rays/comment-page-25/#comment-309986</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Vito A. Bellamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blown save for Borowski ? how very surprising ! NOT !  One of the worst closers in baseball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blown save for Borowski ? how very surprising ! NOT !  One of the worst closers in baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/14/game-14-yankees-at-rays/comment-page-25/#comment-309920</link>
		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>myrtlebeachfan,

I enjoy your posts and didn&#039;t think you&#039;d put up a cheap post like that.

I understand what your&#039; saying.  This is just my opinion.  

But a lot of these arguments about experience and Bruney sound a lot like what Torre would say about the value of experience.

And with Bruney his experience is a negative IMO not a positive.  By far the best predictor of future performance is past performance.

It would be one thing if his past performance was marginal.  It&#039;s not - it is awful.  HIs past performance tells you that he does not have the skill to throw the ball where he wants it.

These issues of Girardi and &quot;trusting&quot; Bruney and how much they mean to him sound very analagous to Torre and loyalty.

I&#039;m really not seeing the difference here.

We talk a lot about small sample sizes here.

9 innings in spring training and 5 innings to start the season don&#039;t mean much when compared to 150 innings of major league experience and 270 innings of minor league experience.

150 innings is a very large sample size for a relief pitcher.  Very large.  That&#039;s 2-3 years worth of relief innings.

He has a WHIP of 1.6 and a BB/9 of 7.

Those aren&#039;t just bad numbers they are astonishingly bad.  

His minor league numbers are bad as well.

I don&#039;t see how you can argue that 9 innings and losing 30 pounds compared to 150 innings of poor performance makes the it probable that this is a new pitcher.

HIs experience doesn&#039;t mean anything to me - that&#039;s like saying Kyle Farnsworth&#039;s experience is a plus.

And besides his poor overall track record he did the same thing last year - he started out strongly and then imploded completely.  

People keep saying he has good stuff - not true.  He throws hard.  That&#039;s not the same as good stuff.  Farnsworth does not have good stuff and throws as hard as anyone.  If you can&#039;t command the ball in the zone then you don&#039;t have good stuff.

So my question to you is how many chances do you give this guy when he&#039;s already had so many opportunities and all the evidence we have shows he is not a good relief pitcher?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>myrtlebeachfan,</p>
<p>I enjoy your posts and didn&#8217;t think you&#8217;d put up a cheap post like that.</p>
<p>I understand what your&#8217; saying.  This is just my opinion.  </p>
<p>But a lot of these arguments about experience and Bruney sound a lot like what Torre would say about the value of experience.</p>
<p>And with Bruney his experience is a negative IMO not a positive.  By far the best predictor of future performance is past performance.</p>
<p>It would be one thing if his past performance was marginal.  It&#8217;s not &#8211; it is awful.  HIs past performance tells you that he does not have the skill to throw the ball where he wants it.</p>
<p>These issues of Girardi and &#8220;trusting&#8221; Bruney and how much they mean to him sound very analagous to Torre and loyalty.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not seeing the difference here.</p>
<p>We talk a lot about small sample sizes here.</p>
<p>9 innings in spring training and 5 innings to start the season don&#8217;t mean much when compared to 150 innings of major league experience and 270 innings of minor league experience.</p>
<p>150 innings is a very large sample size for a relief pitcher.  Very large.  That&#8217;s 2-3 years worth of relief innings.</p>
<p>He has a WHIP of 1.6 and a BB/9 of 7.</p>
<p>Those aren&#8217;t just bad numbers they are astonishingly bad.  </p>
<p>His minor league numbers are bad as well.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how you can argue that 9 innings and losing 30 pounds compared to 150 innings of poor performance makes the it probable that this is a new pitcher.</p>
<p>HIs experience doesn&#8217;t mean anything to me &#8211; that&#8217;s like saying Kyle Farnsworth&#8217;s experience is a plus.</p>
<p>And besides his poor overall track record he did the same thing last year &#8211; he started out strongly and then imploded completely.  </p>
<p>People keep saying he has good stuff &#8211; not true.  He throws hard.  That&#8217;s not the same as good stuff.  Farnsworth does not have good stuff and throws as hard as anyone.  If you can&#8217;t command the ball in the zone then you don&#8217;t have good stuff.</p>
<p>So my question to you is how many chances do you give this guy when he&#8217;s already had so many opportunities and all the evidence we have shows he is not a good relief pitcher?</p>
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		<title>By: YanksAngel</title>
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		<dc:creator>YanksAngel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see the Post giving props to Arod instead of slamming Giradi, well in this article at least.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04142008/sports/yankees/yankees_beat_rays_8_7_106518.htm

I for one like that he left Bruney out there for 2 more outs in the 8th, to get his confidence back. He had one bad inning after several good outings and Giradi has faith in him. I&#039;d fear a lack of confidence like Farnsworth had all year if he didn&#039;t have a chance to prove himself in the next inning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see the Post giving props to Arod instead of slamming Giradi, well in this article at least.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/04142008/sports/yankees/yankees_beat_rays_8_7_106518.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypost.com/seven/04.....106518.htm</a></p>
<p>I for one like that he left Bruney out there for 2 more outs in the 8th, to get his confidence back. He had one bad inning after several good outings and Giradi has faith in him. I&#8217;d fear a lack of confidence like Farnsworth had all year if he didn&#8217;t have a chance to prove himself in the next inning.</p>
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		<title>By: bphill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bphill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see Jonathon Abalad.... pitch again, see what he can do, and give some of the kids a shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see Jonathon Abalad&#8230;. pitch again, see what he can do, and give some of the kids a shot.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptainsCorner</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaptainsCorner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it was only 1 game but tonight games expects why Joba will not be going into the rotation this year. I always thought it was stupid idea but you can not put him in the rotation if you have no one to replace him with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it was only 1 game but tonight games expects why Joba will not be going into the rotation this year. I always thought it was stupid idea but you can not put him in the rotation if you have no one to replace him with.</p>
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		<title>By: PAT M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>PAT M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t speak for anybody but myself...As I posted earlier Bruney just teases me with his otstanding arm and with nice outings...Then he turns in clunkers like serving up a 3-0 fastball when the count is 0-2 like he did Saturday in Fenway.....I keep hoping, but he&#039;s killing me with these type of nights.....He&#039;s still worth keeping for nother few appearences, but the leach is getting short.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t speak for anybody but myself&#8230;As I posted earlier Bruney just teases me with his otstanding arm and with nice outings&#8230;Then he turns in clunkers like serving up a 3-0 fastball when the count is 0-2 like he did Saturday in Fenway&#8230;..I keep hoping, but he&#8217;s killing me with these type of nights&#8230;..He&#8217;s still worth keeping for nother few appearences, but the leach is getting short&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Add Bruney to join Farnsworth on the DFA list. He has learned nothing from his previous struggles.&quot;


But look at teh peripherals!!1!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Add Bruney to join Farnsworth on the DFA list. He has learned nothing from his previous struggles.&#8221;</p>
<p>But look at teh peripherals!!1!</p>
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		<title>By: bphill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bphill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with SJ44, look at Joe Borowksi tonight...hhhmmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with SJ44, look at Joe Borowksi tonight&#8230;hhhmmmm</p>
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		<title>By: myrtlebeachfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>myrtlebeachfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey - CB.  That wasn&#039;t me, by the way, with the whole &quot;CB  or SJ&quot; post.  I post under this handle only.

But I still disagree.  You leave Bruney in against a rookie who just got brought up.  Bat speed or not, you have to trust your guys sometimes.  It&#039;s not like we had a better option.  Everyone worth bringing in pitched yesterday and Girardi isn&#039;t about to burn Mariano for near 3 innings.  

And by experienced, I mean Bruney has been pitching at the major league level for a considerable stretch.  Maybe his control is poor at times.  That is clear.  But Bruney has had some good outings so far this year and he&#039;s shown some improvement.  So how do you know he&#039;s going to give up a second homerun to a very young, just brought to the majors, hitter? You don&#039;t.

He can mix in the slider and keep hitters a little bit off balance.  Enough at least to throw his 97mph fastball past them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8211; CB.  That wasn&#8217;t me, by the way, with the whole &#8220;CB  or SJ&#8221; post.  I post under this handle only.</p>
<p>But I still disagree.  You leave Bruney in against a rookie who just got brought up.  Bat speed or not, you have to trust your guys sometimes.  It&#8217;s not like we had a better option.  Everyone worth bringing in pitched yesterday and Girardi isn&#8217;t about to burn Mariano for near 3 innings.  </p>
<p>And by experienced, I mean Bruney has been pitching at the major league level for a considerable stretch.  Maybe his control is poor at times.  That is clear.  But Bruney has had some good outings so far this year and he&#8217;s shown some improvement.  So how do you know he&#8217;s going to give up a second homerun to a very young, just brought to the majors, hitter? You don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>He can mix in the slider and keep hitters a little bit off balance.  Enough at least to throw his 97mph fastball past them.</p>
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		<title>By: KQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know Rasner&#039;s situation. Is in the minor leagues, on the DL, etc? Also, is there an update on Karsten?</description>
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