Game 16: Red Sox at Yankees
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- April
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YANKEES
Melky Cabrera CF
Derek Jeter SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Hideki Matsui LF
Jorge Posada DH
Jason Giambi 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Chad Moeller C
Chien-Ming Wang RHP (3-0, 1.23)
RED SOX
Jacoby Ellsbury CF
Dustin Pedrioa 2B
David Ortiz DH
Manny Ramirez LF
Kevin Youkilis 3B
J.D. Drew RF
Jason Varitek C
Sean Casey 1B
Julio Lugo SS
Clay Buchholz RHP (0-1, 3.27)
UPDATE, 4:24 p.m.: Boston has won straight since being beaten by Wang on Friday night. The Yankees trail them by a game in the AL East. … Wang is 3-2 with a 3.00 ERA against the Sox at Yankee Stadium. He carried a no-hitter into the seventh inning of a 5-0 win against Boston last Aug. 30.
UPDATE, 5:54 p.m.: Boston placed backup infielder Alex Cora on the 15-day disabled list Wednesday with a sprained right elbow and called up Joe Thurston from Triple-A Pawtucket. … Hall of Fame nice guy Wil Nieves got called up by the Nationals, by the way. Good for him.
UPDATE, 5:57 p.m.: Good news out of Nebraska. Joe Girardi reports that Harlan Chamberlain is doing “significantly better” and is sitting up in bed. … Coco Crisp has sore hamstrings and is out. … It sounds like Jorge Posada could catch tomorrow. That will enable them to settle the lineup and use the four outfielders as Matsui can DH.
UPDATE, 7:06 p.m.: See the previous post for an update on the No. 21 story.
UPDATE, 8:59 p.m.: I asked Chien-Ming Wang yesterday whether he minded facing the same team two times in a row. He said he didn’t but obviously the hitters have an advantage. Add in some decent weather and both teams are hitting.
UPDATE, 9:37 p.m.: It’s the bottom of the fifth inning and every player in both lineups (except for Jacoby Ellsbury) has either scored a run or driven in one. I’m sure the usual suspects are blasting Chien-Ming Wang but this is clearly a night when two simmering offenses finally exploded. Yankees are lucky they have last ups tonight.
The Yankees have to figure out how to get nine outs and get the ball to Mo in the ninth inning. Three by Ohlendorf, three by Albaladejo and three by Hawkins? Maybe one or two from Traber? Quite a puzzle.
UPDATE, 10:26 p.m.: I wonder how many phonies were booing Hawkins last time the Yankees were home and are cheering him tonight?
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Damon’s just getting a day off, or is he hurt?
Wang’s ERA is sick.
I hate Matsui in the outfield. He’s awful out there.
Pete….why no Damon ?
Perfect game tonight for Wang?
I don’t think the second time around for Wang will be such a cake walk. These guys just saw him. I think he’ll get hit tonight (hopefully, not too much).
how many 2nd basemen are the RS playing tonight?
Who is the DH for Boston?
Our entire lineup, the 9 batting and Wanger are SO much better than these clowns. Giving them the beat down they deserve tonight is going to be so very sweet !
My guess is that they wanted to get Posada in there and you cannot take Matsui out with the way he has been hitting.
I guess Casey’s playing 1st? What happened to the big head boy
Is there a reason why joe sits damon when we play boson?
Damon is gonna be the odd man out until Jorge can catch. No way you sit Matsui given that he’s their hottest hitter right now.
Box 10 tonight, baby! WOOHOO!! GO YANKEES!
Damon’s probably p.o.’d being given a day off today of all days, a game against the Sawx….
damon day off I would imagine with Jorge able to play but not catch it really does put Girardi in a quandry with the lineup as there are now 3 DH’s for 1 spot.
Also Matsui has a hot bat and IF Wang is on his game the outfielders dont get too much work anyhow. If I recall Damon sat out against laptop up in Boston when Wang was pitching as well.
The Sox are gonna gonna put 2 ppl at 2nd base and just leave 1st wide open?!?! Interesting Tito…very interesting…
i can’t wait until we see a consistent Yankee lineup! this is bordering ridiculous!
So much for Cano starting the season in the #6 hole, I really think he’ll be a big time hitter, but I guess not for now, he really has to get it back.
Chris: It’s something about that Giambi shift.
Ed Price is reporting that Posada thinks he can catch tomorrow. Here’s the link…
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/04/posada_dh_damon_sits.html
Damon is just getting the day off. I am happy to see Posada back in the lineup.
Kevin
How to know if your a Yankee bandwagon jumper.
1.You wear a jersey and dont know who’s number it is.
2.You think the Babe is a pig on t.v.
3.You think Babe Ruth is a chocolate bar.
4.You cant name 4 players on the team.
5.You dont know how many champioships your team has.
6.You can’t name who played Firstbase before Tino.
7.You dont know the managers name.
8.Your a fan of both Yankees and red sox.
9.You boo players on Opening Day.
10.You believe its your “right†to boo Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera when they play poorly.
11.You hate everything about the team.
12.You whine because its been (boo boo) 7 “long†years since you won a World Series.
13.You cry about a star player struggling(Jeter/Arod etc.)and want them traded.
14.Your a female with a sign “marry me Jeterâ€at the game.
15.You think Joba Chamberlain should be in the bullpen permanently.
16.You think Wang,Hughes and Melky should have been traded for Santana
17.You think Mike Francesa and Michael Kay are experts on the Yankees.
18.You don’t believe “good looking females†watch baseball.
19.You think not getting Santana kills your franchise for years to come.
20.you believe Roger Clemens was a true Yankee
21.You think Kaysâ€generation trey†is cool.
22.you believe John Sterling when he says a ball †is high, it is far…….â€
23.You get up for the 7th inning stretch and actually start stretching
24.You think Jeter isnt a captain because he isnt vocal enough.
25.Women going to games in high heels.
26.Me. because i didnt know that opera singers name. Ronan Tyan.
27.People who thought the Yankees winning years were over when we lost Torre.
28.People that think list has gotten a little far away from the true meaning of a bandwagoner.lol
29.Fans who wear hats that isnt the original color and think it is.
30.Fans who give the middle finger to others that are on same team.
31.Fans who think Arod only good for hitting homeruns and not for average.
When is Ensburg going to replace Giambi!! Enough already!
Sara,
With the way they have to juggle Damon/Giambi/Matsui to begin with, they were never really going to have a single every-day lineup. But add Jorge’s little throwing problem, Molina’s hammy, and some quiet bats to the mix, this is what we’re going to get.
“Chien-Ming Wang is trying to become the first pitcher since Dwight Gooden in 1986 to reach 50 wins by his 82nd career start.”
–Who knew…pretty cool if you ask me
For all those complaining about the line up there are 3 DH’s on the team and now there is a 4th in Posada, so what do you want Joe to do, I think he levels it out just right, and for those who’re complaining about sitting damon against boston, we lost both games he was in, and won the 1 he wasn’t, it means absolutely noting, just saying.
s.o.s. 27 ! everybody saw your joke you dont have to post it million times!!!
SOS you beat me to the punch, enough Giambi already. Start Ensberg and save Giambi to PH when Timlin comes in. Does Girardi think that Ensberg has never batted against a righty before? Did he grow up in all all lefty pitching country? Free Morgan Ensberg!
yankees ben- its not if he helps us win. i just think maybe he dosent want to play against them
S. O. S.-
do we need all of them or just one of them is enough? lol.
Has Giambi batted lower than 6th yet? He’s 7th tonight… Guess that’s what a .096 BA buys you.
Wang = Yankee Ace
i wasn’t complaing..just wondering!
“s.o.s. 27 ! everybody saw your joke you dont have to post it million times!!!”
My bad. Got carried away. It was either that or talking about a freekin jersey number.
AL-
he did play the other 2 games, so whats your point?
For those who want Ensberg at first do you really think he’s better defensively, he doesn’t look so comfortable there.
If Posada can’t catch Girardi has to sit one of Damon, Matsui, Posada, Giambi. It’s Damon’s turn tonight. Perhaps he has worse numbers against Bucholz than the other 3.
“Has Giambi batted lower than 6th yet? He’s 7th tonight… Guess that’s what a .096 BA buys you.”
It should get a 10th spot in the lineup. Riding pine.
Sos thanks for changing the subject in the last thread -it went from negative to fun.
I never thought Melky’s plate discipline warranted the lead-off spot but Damon has looked terrible against any pitcher who throws over 85 mph and isn’t named Sonanstine.
More so than any other player, Damon’s struggles at the plate thus far worry me.
He started off slow last year and never really recovered.
I’m beginning to fear his bat speed has tapered off and he’ll never again approximate the offensive threat and ever-present nuisance to starting pitchers that he once was for Boston.
Still, that play he made last night in LF in the 9th demonstrates why Girardi should play Damon in LF 90% of the time.
Thoughts, anyone?
Yeah I think having Pedroia and Casey both play 2B will probably backfire.
Though I would save Giambi to pinch hit against timlin, as a matter of fact i think the yanks should trade for timlin and pitch him against giambi every game.
Oh wait, what am I saying?.
s.o.s.27 – i just tought of one – someone who thinks that berney williams should still play for the yankees!
Has it been 10 days yet?
I’m not a huge Shelley fan, but I cannot watch Giambi at the plate anymore.
Cabrera has to play because we need his arm in center. Having both Matsui and Damon in the outfield is asking for extra bases. Matsui gets the nod today because he is swinging a hot bat. Hopefully the lineup will be more stable once the guys are healthy. Im guessing Posada should be catching again in a few days.
On another note, if Gonzalez can play ss and 2b very well and Ensberg can play 1b and 3b, what is Betemit doing on the team? He is pretty much the same player as Ensberg but a weaker bat.
How many days left before Duncan is called up? The minimum is 10 days that he has to spend in AAA befor being recalled. He is really swinging a nice bat down there.
A win makes CMW the first one to 4. (Rebecca, his ERA is HEALTHY!)
yankees ben- no point!
continueing our convo Whozat….
“waitwaitwait…ARod doesn’t hit for average anymore???? What are you talking about? He’s been a .290 – .320 hitter pretty much always.”
ok Whozat the minute I wrote I knew you would check me it’s hard to explain and I understand your point.
see here’s my point and you know I’m a big “Alex being Alex” fan. A guy like Jeter or Williams would look to drive the ball and put it in play more than a guy like Alex or say Jason Giambi would, you get me ? there is a big reason why Alex went from being the # 3 hitter to the # 4, his swings for the fence are very useful for the team, I mean who wouldn’t like 3 automatic runs when he shows up in your lineup, but a HR is less likely than a ball in play and in the playoffs it’s even more less likely..you get me now a bit. It’s not a knock it’s a fault of his own, you realize Alex Rodriguez was once a career AVG .316 hitter and now it’s down to .303, some of that is dued to going for the HR his season high was once a .358 batting AVG, that player in the playoffs is more likely to get a big hit, because that average shows he’s putting the ball in play more than he swung for the fences.
I’d rather he be a great hitter than just drive for the fences. See a guy like Manny he’s going to go down as one of the greatest right handed bats in the game and he can get away w/ it because of his intense patience and balance at the plate. If Manny wasn’t a lazy player he could have hit atleast .370 or .380 but it’s for not because he is lazy and extremely naturally talented which is why when he retires he will be a career AVG .313 hitter instead of the latter.
You get me a bit or am I confusing you in a way I should stop and let it go ?
Kill,
It’s interesting, though, that Cano and Melky had the best battles with Jackson yesterday. (Actually, Matsui won the war, but you know what I mean)
Kill Schilling(before he comes to the yanks.)
I think damon is a way better fielder than Matsui in left, but thats the way you have to go for now as I said with 4 DH’s. And last I checked Damon still gets his walks and can still steal( as of late) His BA is .211 but his OBP is 328, pretty big gap there
Jimmy 27,
Your my main man. I can always count on you. Thanks bro.
“s.o.s.27 – i just tought of one – someone who thinks that berney williams should still play for the yankees!”
al arodian,
Just when i try to get out. They pull me back in. #32 it is!!
3 DH’s? Damon most certainly is not a DH. His offense profiles terribly there and he plays, by most counts, an above average defensive LF.
It doesn’t matter how comfortable he looks at first he’ll be better than Giambi defensively. AND he might actually hit better than .094 because he can do things real hitters can do, like hit the ball the other way, or, not swing for the fences, or put the ball in play.
“If Manny wasn’t a lazy player he could have hit atleast .370 or .380″
Umm, no…
Should be interesting to see how Wang reacts to a new catcher tonight. He’s been so locked in that it may not matter.
The bandwagon fan list above is hilarious.
s.o.s.27 – HA HA HA!!! the main thing have fun
My call is that tonight we will finally get a Grand Slam…
Either Giambi or ARod will do the honors.
***Anybody know what Mariano was upset about a couple of nights ago? I’ve asked a couple of times, but no one seems to know. Michael Kay was going on and on last night about how well Moeller and Mariano had worked together…why would Mo have to be walked off the field by ARod…was he peaved at the umps?
Assuming he had none or little time with Moeller in ST
“do we need all of them or just one of them is enough? lol.”
Yankees Ben-It was initially one of them. But being that i came up with this(backfired) and i landed on a few. The rules have changed to all of them.
saucY
April 16th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
“why don’t the guys post thier picturesâ€
hey, i posted a video of me detatching my arms. is that not enough?
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saucY,
Did you watch SNL on Saturday? There was this horrible (I mean horrible), funny sketch called “Quadriplegic Stripper”. It’s so bad, but I laughed so hard I’m ashamed of myself. Won’t post the link, but it’s on youtube.
S.o.S.27- the only ones I disagree on:
15.You think Joba Chamberlain should be in the bullpen permanently.
17.You think Mike Francesa and Michael Kay are experts on the Yankees.
21.You think Kaysâ€generation trey†is cool.
Joba should stay in the pen. He may have been great in the minors as a starter, but you don’t change things when they are going good.
Both Francesa and Kay know a ton about the Yankees. You may disagree with some of the things they say about the team..but there is no arguing about their knowledge.
…and what is wrong with generation trey?
I made this:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i114/zellyanks91/generationtrey896943.jpg
Kevin
yipee,
umm yes, Manny has given up at bats before , even admited he takes a pitch for a strikeout at times so that the pitcher throws it again and he sits on it. Manny is a great hitter, one of the greatest, it’s just that he is lazy.
Keith;
I imagine the 3 DH’s referenced are Giambi, Matsui and Posada as they are the players below average at their respective postions. Damon does fine in left.
I remember someone defining an ace as a guy who surprises you when he doesn’t have an amazing start. At this point, that’s who Wang is. Andy did a great job battling through all those hits yesterday and minimizing the damage. Mussina has been impressive so far. I have a feeling Hughes and Kennedy will get it together right when the lineup starts mashing the ball and hitting when it is needed. When that happens, we are going to be really tough to beat!
No, they are saying we already have 3 DH’s and with Posada unable to catch we now have 4.
I see the Sox chose Ellsbury over Coco Bunt.
“Alex Rodriguez was once a career AVG .316 hitter and now it’s down to .303, some of that is dued to going for the HR his season high was once a .358 batting AVG, that player in the playoffs is more likely to get a big hit, because that average shows he’s putting the ball in play more than he swung for the fences.”
A-Rod has better career postseason rates (avg/obp/slg) than Bernie and Tino and Brosius and Posada, who are guys that you probably recall as “clutch” players. So I don’t buy the argument that his approach doesn’t work in postseason play. The thing is that guys like Posada, Brosius, Bernie, and Tino had many many many more chances in the postseason so of course they have more memorable moments. ARod will have his moments too. The problem the last few years is that the Yankee pitching has completely bombed so the Yankees haven’t been able to get past round one. Once the pitching gets settled you will see ARod shine in the playoffs.
I’d keep Chamberlain in the pen FOR THIS YEAR. I’d start him thereafter.
Francesa probably knows a lot about double burgers and Parcells’ sock drawer.
I like Kay. Calls a good game. Carries the color people now that Kaat’s gone. Wouldn’t consider him a vast wealth of Yankee knowledge, but like how he does his job.
A bases clearing double can be almost effective as a homerun. And much more likely.
“umm yes, Manny has given up at bats before , even admited he takes a pitch for a strikeout at times so that the pitcher throws it again and he sits on it. Manny is a great hitter, one of the greatest, it’s just that he is lazy.”
Yeah I agree Manny is great. But to say he would be a career .370 or .380 hitter if he were more focused, is insane.
zellvanks91,
Joba has 4 quality pitches. You dont keep a stud(future ace)like that in the pen. Thats like having Beckett pitch the 8th inning.
Kay uses Generation Trey every chance he gets. Youd think he is getting paid everytime it comes out of his mouth. Gets very annoying after awhile. Someone came up with this a couple weeks ago. BRONX TRIANGLE. What do you think? I do like what you made though.
Lowrie was very impressive last night, accounting for their first 3 rbi’s.
With Posada unable to catch the Yanks have to use him at DH. That means one of the outfielders has to sit. Once Posada goes back behind the plate, Abrey, Damon and Melky can play and Hideki DH.
I hope that ARod’s baby waits until the off day on Monday to arrive.
“A bases clearing double can be almost effective as a homerun. And much more likely.”
see mel gets it.
yipee, who makes the out more likely a power hitter or a ball in play guy ?
SOS:
Joba’s change up looked for all the world like a work in progress all spring. I wouldn’t give him credit for that 4th pitch just yet.
Mel:
Watched some of that Sox game. Lowrie didn’t really hit the ball hard. Beat out a GDIP ball to drive in a run and hit a seeing eye 2 run single. Still surprised he’s not in tonite for Lugo though.
Seriously, Giambi needs to get on the phone with “Max” and get some of that mess up in him. Giambi aged faster than a white woman after 30
Fran,
That would be a very cooperative baby Yankee!!! Dare we say a “true” Yankee?
“Yeah I agree Manny is great. But to say he would be a career .370 or .380 hitter if he were more focused, is insane.”
From what iv heard about Manny. Is that he takes batting very seriously and works hard on it. I know he looks like he half a** it out in left. But i dont think thats the case in the batters box. So i dont think thats true. He’s as locked in when it comes to hitting as can be. If only he could be more locked into running the bases after hitting a long fly ball. That would be great.
Brandon,
I agree with you. It’s all about doing what it takes to win and some players on this team are not willing to sacrifice their at-bats to do it. As great as Alex is, I never feared him as a hitter (during his Texas days) like I feared Edgar Martinez or Manny. Fortunately, we still have guys like Jeter/Abreu/Matsui who will simply take what the pitcher gives them and get the job done irrespective of their legacy.
If you keep Joba in the bullpen all year, he can’t be a starter next year.
His innings cap would be about 130 innings. You do more harm than good in his development because by throwing less innings (which will happen if he stays in the ‘pen all season) than last year, you reverse his developement.
In essence, he would be starting over in your attempt to stretch out his innings.
If he stays in the ‘pen all season, he ends up being a relief pitcher and that’s a waste of his talent.
Kill Schill,
I am not worried about Giambi. If he is hitting .100 by the end of the month, he will either become a bench player or platoon player.
I don’t see the Yankees keeping him at first indefinitely if he isn’t hitting.
Duncan or Ensberg will get the time at first base.
I am a little concerned about Damon. Only because he says his hands feel “slow”. When I hear a hitter say that, its a red flag.
Hopefully, he gets going. The good thing is, his legs are healthy and he is taking his walks.
This lineup can survive if Giambi turns out to be a guy who can no longer be an everyday player.
I think the lineup suffers greatly if it turns out Damon is in the same boat.
He’s a very good defensive LF and, when he is on, a great leadoff hitter.
Now you are talking about making outs more likely? Sounds like OBP, since OBP is the percentage of times you don’t make an out. And ARod is great at OBP. I’ll take ARod as the guy who is less likely to make an out.
As for Manny, he would need to replace about 443 of his career outs into hits to have a .375 career average.
You are insane if you would rather have Matsui or Abreu ahead of ARod.
“I hope that ARod’s baby waits until the off day on Monday to arrive.”
If she’s going to have the baby soon. IMO I’d rather it be this weekend where we’re playing a week team like Baltimore. Im sure we could handle them without Alex.
Doreen – That was funny.
“you realize Alex Rodriguez was once a career AVG .316 hitter and now it’s down to .303, some of that is dued to going for the HR his season high was once a .358 batting AVG”
That was his first season. It’s an outlier from the ENTIRE rest of his career. He takes a lot more walks now than he did back then, and is as a result a more productive player.
Your argument just doesn’t hold water. Did you ever WATCH him with Seattle and Texas? I certainly didn’t. And yet you’re trying to compare “what your eyes tell you” now with what you think the numbers tell you about him back then. Other explanations are much more likely. For instance, seeing more pitches and taking more walks will lead to more Ks and a lower average, but a higher OBP and more opportunities for slugging. If you’re not looking at the walks, though, you could see more K’s, less avg, and more homers and assume he swings for the fences now.
he’s been pretty consistent with his production in the last eight years, modulo some big slumps in 06 and 04. But we all saw what happened there…it was much more complicated than “oh, he swings for the fences more now”.
Brandon,
“A bases clearing double can be almost effective as a homerun. And much more likely.â€
see mel gets it.
I agree with that only situationally. You see a lot more walk off home runs end games than you do walk off doubles.
Someone please tell me why he DHs Posada? He should DH Damon or Matusi and let Posada heal…he isn’t hitting right now…you just win 2 in a row and you switch this lineup? I don’t get it? And yes let Ensburg play
Hugh -
You are on a serious roll with the insults today.
Ty -
I remember everytime the Yankees faced the Rangers, and ARod was due up, my initial reaction would be a nervousness; but each time, it seemed the Yankees were able to handle him. Now, I don’t know if that’s selective memory or what.
ARod does much better when he’s not trying to do too much. I’m with Mel; I’d much rather see a well-placed single or double with RISP, especially since the alternatives seem to be strikeout or pop-out.
“As for Manny, he would need to replace about 443 of his career outs into hits to have a .375 career average.”
He took 443 called third strikes so that the next time up he could hit a HR off the pitcher.
anti, not really, I actually think they age well…they use peawl cweam.
Tony -
They said last night Posada had a 5-game hitting streak. At least I think I heard them say that.
Posada’s shoulder isn’t a problem when he hits. Only when he throws.
He probably wants to keep him sharp by getting him some AB’s.
whozat’s assessment of ARod is much more accurate
Hey Gang
Good read about Wang. Hate the fact its on SI and he’s picthing tonight but intresting nontheless
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/albert_chen/04/15/wang0421/index.html
S.o.S.27- As for joba…I mean I wouldn’t be mad at the Yankees if they put him in the rotation, but I feel PERSONALLY..would like him in the pen..but thats just me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I guess Kay uses “Generation Trey” to much, but I don’t think that makes it bad. I think it is kind of catchy.
don’t really like the Bronx Triangle..sorry.ha
Kevin
yipee ask yourself how many times out of those 443 ABs did Manny swing for the fence, com’on man you know he has.
SoS I was born in Washington Heights, use to live there, you think I don’t know about Manny and GW and what type of hitter he was and wanted to be Cleveland ?…. lets say Da Heights has ears.
from last thread
“hugh-like I said Rebecca, JAPS dont count. Im sure you are a true fan…your parents and grandparents however, I beg to differ.”
JAPS is a very offensive word these days. Just thought youd want to know.
I think the Mo/Moller thing was something that some people on here sort of read too much into or saw something that wasnt there. I watched that game on replay and didnt notice a thing other than Arod coming over and putting his arm around Mo at the end of the game and lauging. Mo last night was just fine with Moller at the end of the game.
wow, a new low.
there’s not a whole lot of difference between posada’s ops and giambi’s. giambi has more home runs, more rbis, and more walks. i think girardi really wants to get giambi going and is giving him every chance to do that.
anti-mussina,
Once again, you’re making stuff up. In general, the more melanin in your skin you have the better you age.
African-American >> Asian >> Eurasian >> Caucasian
Doreen- but they are struggling for some offense right now and they had a lineup that won 2 games in a row….Posada as much as I love him, makes the line up slow. At least Damon whether a DH or LF allows us to steal bases and makes something happen. I just wish Posada would sit until he is ready to catch….
Did anyone see Pete Caldera’s entry today about Moose watching the game on TV monday night when Manny hit the HR to beat Cleveland. Pretty funny stuff and glad to see the team still loose.
click on the link on the right side of the page funny stuff
You have to feel for Joe Girardi. How do you give Damon and Giambi the at bats they need to get into a flow when Melky, Matsui, Posada and even Ensberg have the same needs?
In 374 career AB’s A-Rod has a 1.037 OPS vs. the Yankees. I’m happy that he plays for the Yanks right now.
Manny has over 400 more AB’s vs. the Yankees and his career OPS is 1.018.
If A-Rod had gone to Boston I have no doubt in my mind he would have tortured the Yankees these past 5/6 years.
We remember Brosius and Tino because they got the big home runs when they mattered.
Still get chills when I think about it.
Talking about chilly things, like ice, LET’S GO DEVILS!
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8012578/Hit-List:-Reasons-Yanks-will-be-home-this-October-
“yipee ask yourself how many times out of those 443 ABs did Manny swing for the fence, com’on man you know he has.”
Are you really trying to say that Manny could have turned every single “lazy” at-bat of his into a hit, at will? This is also insane. Even if you think he “took off” 500 career at-bats, that wouldn’t be enough to get 443 more hits. It would require more than 1150 ABs. And you can’t seriously believe that he took off that many ABs in his career. And if you do believe it, you are wrong.
Mel, please don’t respond to those two posters.
They reveal more idiocy with their comments & racist humor than deems response.
“yipee, who makes the out more likely a power hitter or a ball in play guy ?”
Look at his OBP. That is exactly the percentage of the time that the batter does not make an out.
You can also look at a hitter’s BABIP. That’s exactly the percentage of the balls he puts in play that become hits.
Go see if ARod’s BABIP has trended down over the years.
The other night, against Papelbon, was ARod overswinging? Yep. And he admitted it. And he fixed it with Long and went 4-5 the next day. Does that signal an endemic problem? No, the guy just let his swing get too long and fixed it.
Look, you can “feel” that Alex has traded AVG for homers over the course of his career, but the number just don’t really bear that out. When he’s on, Alex is just looking to drive the ball somewhere. He’s talented and strong enough that, if he gets ahold of it, it leaves the park.
“I remember everytime the Yankees faced the Rangers, and ARod was due up, my initial reaction would be a nervousness; but each time, it seemed the Yankees were able to handle him. Now, I don’t know if that’s selective memory or what.”
A-Rod vs. NYY
2001 – .259/.394/.630
2002 – .407/.467/.889
2003 – .289/.372/.632
yeah, i’d say it’s selective memory. he basically tatooed the ever-loving crap out of the yankees.
raymagnetic -
You just proved I suffer from selective memory.
Do any of you bloggers want to have a Lohud pictures section on your site? Posters could post their pictures. This will allow us to connect the faces to the names.
It might end up generating more traffic to your site. Just an idea.
Who is the best pure hitter in the AL? Manny
Who is the best overall player in the AL? A-Rod
Wonder what Mussina will do when Molina isn’t there to catch. If Mo was bothered by Moeller, I can only imagine how Mussina might be. Guess we’ll find out because it seems he’d rather remove his own appendix with a shrimp fork than pitch to Posada.
And hmmm. Yes, I suffered, indeed — and badly — from selective memory!
“When he’s on, Alex is just looking to drive the ball somewhere. He’s talented and strong enough that, if he gets ahold of it, it leaves the park.”
Exactly!
S.o.S, why did you feel the need to post that?
hmmm’s back!!
Man i was trying to hold to fort down till you came back. O.k. i really wasnt and cant.
SoS,
I’m sure that JAPS is an acronym for something. They were talking about Jews. I don’t think he was talking about Japanese people.
Right, Hugh? (can’t believe this ish, defending you.lol)
Jorge has caught Mussina most of the time he has been here. There will not be any problems.
mel
Jewish American Princes
mel, youre 100 percent correct…so I really dont see how people can say that Im being insulting when Im just stating facts. If people cant handle the truth, thats not my problem.
SOS- JAP is just an acronym for Jewish American Princess/Prince…I dont see how that is offensive? I call my jewish friends that all the time and they dont seem to mind…I think the people here just like to be high and mighty…or they just dont live in the real world.
“Who is the best pure hitter in the AL? Manny”
Don’t forget Vlad. And keep an eye on Miguel Cabrera, now that he is in the AL. He’s off to a poor start, but the guy is lethal with the bat.
“The other night, against Papelbon, was ARod overswinging? Yep. And he admitted it. And he fixed it with Long and went 4-5 the next day. Does that signal an endemic problem? No, the guy just let his swing get too long and fixed it.”
and that was the best he’s looked this season reguardless of that ground out in the 8th. Good point on swing getting long whozat.
“Look, you can “feel†that Alex has traded AVG for homers over the course of his career, but the number just don’t really bear that out. When he’s on, Alex is just looking to drive the ball somewhere. He’s talented and strong enough that, if he gets ahold of it, it leaves the park.”
agreed he’s that talented and to be honest yeh I do feel he has traded hitting for AVG for HRS but I understand your point whozat. I’m gonna let it end here, because my response was on a poster who was charting why he was 1 for 14 w/ RISP and it was a small sample size, but just bringing up the point that maybe he did give up AVG for HRS was my thoughts on it. Thanks for the debate whozat.
i vaguely remember a game where arod struck out 4 straight times against the yankees while with texas and then hit a game tying or winning home run.
Small sample size but A-Rod has a higher batting average than Manny this year. Manny has a higher slugging percentage and more strikeouts.
JAP = Jewish American Princess.
It is derogatory when used in the context Hugh was using it.
And I guarantee Hugh’s worked a helluva lot less than my grandparents did just to eat dinner every night.
I don’t know how anyone can see A-rod’s 4-5 night and think he isn’t an ‘average’ hitter.
He is one of the best hitters in the game, he hits for average, power, gets on base, has speed.
When I think slugger who swings for the fences, I think Ryan Howard, Pat Burrell, or Jason Giambi. .240-.260 average and a lot of HRs.
A-rod is a career 300 hitter, he hits for average.
“S.o.S, why did you feel the need to post that?”
Rebecca-A few years ago Parcells made a similiar remark in a post conference. My point is that I was not sure if hugh was or wasnt aware that its offensive.
‘Jap’ also functions as a racial slur against Japanese people, stemming from WW2
Amazing how one word can work as a racial slur against two different sets of people
“You see a lot more walk off home runs end games than you do walk off doubles.”
What’s the point in taking second if the games is won already? They show up in the box score as “walk off singles”
Sorry. Didn’t mean to get all uppity there, but using the term with friends is a lot different than with people you don’t know. Like, my gay friends might use the f-word with each other, but you wouldn’t utter it in a crowd of strangers.
Jenn:
Posada only caught half of Mussina’s 28 starts last year and the results were dramatically worse than the 14 caught by Nieves, Molina, etc. All three of his starts this year were caught by Molina (2 before Posada’s injury). I was beginning to get the sense we were in the personal catcher zone.
oh Anti……..
That’s right, Jewish American Princess. It’s been 20 years since I heard that one.
I still can’t figure out WASP (White Anglo Saxon ?) & WOP (Someone called Richard Gere this in a movie).
Rebecca -
Hugh has been derogatory, insulting and bigotted all day. I don’t believe there’s a group of people he’s missed.
“SOS- JAP is just an acronym for Jewish American Princess/Prince…”
hugh-my sincere opoligy. I wasnt aware of that. Again, Sorry.
I worry too about Damon, SJ44.
It’s interesting that Damon has actually acknowledged the problem about his hands. I hadn’t heard that before. It troubles me that much more to learn he recognizes it’s a problem.
And you’re right. The Yankees have options to replace Giambi at 1b either part of the time or all the time.
(Though I still liked Giambi’s at-bats enough during the Red Sox series to have confidence he’s going to start to hit. I only wish the Giambi who hit to LF throughout ST returned however.)
With Damon, in contrast, the Yanks have no better option either for lead-off hitter or for LF.
The strange thing about Damon is that his .OBP is about the same for the Yankees as it was for the Sux. His average has dropped though. He’s gone from a guy who hits .290 to a guy who hits more like .270. Maybe, the Monster explains that.
I guess the most important thing however is his .OBP and his P/PA, neither of which haven’t dropped since the Yankees signed him.
I only hope Damon returns to his career averages in these two areas by season’s end. He’s indispensable to their offensive success.
ARod averages 130 K’s per 162 games in his career.
Manny averages 129 K’s per 162 games in his career.
So I disagree that A-Rod strikes out significantly more than Manny does.
mel -
WASP is a white anglo-saxon protestant.
I don’t know what the letters stand for, but wop is a deragatory term for Italian-Americans.
Rebecca- your gay friend don’t say “Farnsworth” in public? – as it should be
mel: White Anglo Saxon Protestant
I just have to through out Ichiro into the discussion of best pure hitter in the AL. I think he may have even Manny beat in that regard. My top four would include Ichiro, Manny, ARod, Miggy Cab.
At times I question just how good the Yankees advance scouting is with supplying reports of the team they’re about to face.
Mel- “person”
You cannot go by last year with Mussina he was hurt most it. Look at 2006.
Jimmy: Too funny!
rebecca, youre jewish, you cant help being uppity.
WOP = with out papers
*derogatory (hate those typos)
oops I guess I was wrong, I thought it was person.
“‘Jap’ also functions as a racial slur against Japanese people, stemming from WW2″
Thats what i thought he meant.
WASP = White Anglo-Saxon Protestant
Wop = In US, used as a racial slur against Italians (corrupted definition)
Originally it was used to describe someone belonging to a particular crime organization or someone cocky enough to induce fights. Eventually it was corrupted by non-Italians into thinking it referred to Italians.
money,
Well, that figure’s just magnified because we don’t follow all of Manny’s ABs.
How do they compare on non-HR rbi’s?
lmao are people seriously getting their panties in a bunch over being called a J.A.P.? Yeesh
non-HR rbi’s?
Does somewhere list this stat???????
Can we can the bigoted remarks please.
If you feel the need to write that stuff, I’m sure there is a Klan blog you can find.
This is a blog to discuss Yankee baseball.
Some of you folks’ attempts at humor, or your true feelings, aren’t finding the mark with folks.
If you want any kind of power to go along with that average, then Ichiro doesn’t belong in the top 5. He gets way too many hits on infield balls, that he may struggle to get later in his career when he slows down a little.
Manny has a higher slugging percentage and more strikeouts.
I’m a huge Alex fan but is it really possible to have more K’s then he does at this point in the season? LOL I was thinking he’s (Alex) is going to have 162K’s at this rate.
Thanks, guys. Learn something new everyday. Stuff you don’t need. But if I’m ever on Jeopardy and there’s a category for Ethnic Acronyms, I’ll give you a shoutout when I win!
Guess my post got ate up for including too many racial slurs
The one that hasn’t been answered yet is a racial slur against Italians.
It’s another case of a word having a different original meaning being corrupted to mean something else by uneducated people.
“Rebecca -
Hugh has been derogatory, insulting and bigotted all day. I don’t believe there’s a group of people he’s missed.”
Hugh is like this everyday. He thinks he’s some kind of comedian but his jokes are really not funny.
Diva
Alex had 4 in one game and Manny is still ahead of him. Perception is not always reality.
Bravo, SJ44!
“How do they compare on non-HR rbi’s?”
Non-HR RBI sounds like an overrated stat to me. I’m more interested in average, on-base percentage, and slugging percentage when I evaluate individual hitters.
RBIs are largely a function of the guys batting ahead of you and also where you bat in the lineup order. Look at Pujols last year. The guy batted .330 like usual, but the hitters in front of him never got on base so he barely touched 100 RBI’s. But he was still argubaly the best hitter in the NL and went largely unntoiced because his RBIs weren’t crazy high.
money,
You make a good point, so what’s the best stat(s) to use?
Mussina wasn’t hurt as much as he was bad, but he made 14 starts to Posada and 14 to the other guys and the difference was pretty staggering. 70 points worse in batting average allowed and OBP, almost 200 points worse in OPS allowed. K’s were lower with Posada, walks were higher.
Hurt or not, his results were better when he wasn’t pitching to Jorge. Can’t help but think Posada was sitting his starts for a reason.
The days of Giambi carrying the team for several days and earning a Player of the Week award have come to an end.
He may have an occasional 3 for 4 game and an occasional 3rd deck shot but he’s no longer the feared hitter he once was.
It’s easy to see that pitchers are going after him more than in past years and he was always selective enough to make pitchers work and take a walk but now he has to keep swinging.
“Look at Pujols last year. The guy batted .330 like usual, but the hitters in front of him never got on base so he barely touched 100 RBI’s.”
Pujols is probably the best hitter in baseball right now. Pujols has walked more than 100 more times than he has struckout. He’s also a career .335 hitter. He doesn’t have the extensive track record of Manny or ARod but he’s arguably the best hitter in the game right now.
Throwing stats out the window, who’s the most feared hitter? The most dangerous? Who gets the most free passes?
“You make a good point, so what’s the best stat(s) to use?”
OPS+ is good, but not perfect. Nothing’s perfect.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/04/pavano_cant_rehab_his_image.html
When you think of Carl Pavano, do you think of..
a. 200 innings
b. 1-2 starter
c. money maker in free agency
d. all of the above
His agent says d and I think we can all agree…
“Who gets the most free passes?”
Barry Bonds.
“Throwing stats out the window, who’s the most feared hitter? The most dangerous?”
How can we know? Feared by who? By fans watching the game? Pitchers? Opposing managers?
One reasonable proxy for “feared” is IBB, but that also takes into account who’s batting behind a guy and the matchup against the given pitcher, or all the available bullpen guys.
“Mussina wasn’t hurt as much as he was bad, but he made 14 starts to Posada and 14 to the other guys and the difference was pretty staggering. 70 points worse in batting average allowed and OBP, almost 200 points worse in OPS allowed. K’s were lower with Posada, walks were higher.”
That was last year. Look at the previous years and Mussina’s numbers are demonstrably better when Posada was catching him. Last year was the only year Posada didn’t catch him at least 23 times IIRC.
Well, for the 2 years prior to last season, Randy Johnson had his own personal catcher so Posada had to catch Mussina.
“It’s easy to see that pitchers are going after him more than in past years and he was always selective enough to make pitchers work and take a walk but now he has to keep swinging.”
Not really. It looks to me like he’s slumping, just like Cano. They employ the shift and bust him inside — or off the plate away, which no one can really do much with. He’s putting too much pressure on himself, so instead of taking the inside pitches, he’s trying to put them in play and hitting into the shift. Even when he hits the ball well, it seems to get caught. If he lays off the pitches inside, he’ll force them to give him some better pitches…either ones he can pull with elevations, or pitches on the outer half he can lace to left — like he was working on all spring. But until he stops swinging at that inside stuff, that won’t happen.
“so Posada had to catch Mussina.”
That doesn’t address the fact that Moose performed better with Jorge in those years, does it?
Often (for different reasons or the same) I cant believe some of the stuff I’m reading here. I’ve got better things to do … see y’all another night.
whozat,
Just use your imagination. Game on the line, RISP, who do you NOT want to see at the plate.
“who’s the most feared hitter?”
Albert Pujols IMO and Manny is 2nd
“The most dangerous?”
Albert Pujols
“Who gets the most free passes?”
right now ? IDK but according to stats it’s Vladamir Guerrero, but Bonds had this one locked.
IBB
Darrell Rasner has yet another good AAA outing today. He hasn’t had a bad one yet.
Stan, trade bait.
What the heck did I walk in on here? Who wants to read about racial this and ethnic that? The game starts in less than 2 hours. This is a baseball blog. Pete’s gotta be tearing his hair out at this point.
mel: In this instance I don’t want anyone with a knack for clutch. Don’t want Ortiz or Manny or Thome or anyone on the Angels.
Rebecca,
I agree. Healthy Ortiz or stupid Manny (and I mean that affectionately).
“Just use your imagination. Game on the line, RISP, who do you NOT want to see at the plate.”
Thing is my imagination is probably wrong. Sure, there are guys that I feel have a “knack” for hurting the Yanks in that situation…but there are probably other guys who would be more likely to hurt the team. Ortiz is a name that comes to mind, but last week it was GREAT when he came up in a clutch situation because he looked lost at the plate.
Coco bunt. LOL good one!
Hi another one of my positive thoughts BEFORE the game…
(It worked last time)
Wang is going to be fantastic tonight, and our hitting is going to light up Buckholz!! Clay will last 4 inning tonight watch.. and Wang is going to go 7 given up 3 or less.
since we don’t have Joba, we may let Wang go complete if he is that good again tonight.
Now I am off to order sushi for the game..
(see I am not always negative, only when we are losing)
Like, Pujols is CLEARLY a better hitter, but perhaps Youkilis has really good numbers against Mo. Which do I want to see up there less?
anti:
Arod sure has been choking lately, he has a lot on his mind.. for instance a 2nd child.. if you knew what the felt like, you might have some more tolerance.
How can anyone no root for Arod 100% of the time after we he did for us last season, and his numbers. Arod shoulders the load like no other.
Wow lots of activity here today…. tried to skim most of it. I made my point about the whole Hawkins/O’Neill thing yesterday. I think its a shame, it makes Yankee fans as a whole look bad. I know I don’t want to be grouped in with those idiots up in Beantown. Talk about classless. We put ourselves right there by the small percentage of idiot fans treating Hawkins the way they do. There is no excuse for it.
I don’t buy the fact that some are playing the whole “race card” in this instance. I don’t think it mattered what race Hawkins was. Some people just don’t want to see a new guy step in and wear a number worn by a guy who was beloved and helped us win 4 titles in 5 years. Its that simple. But there are better ways of going about it.
And O’Neill has to take some of the blame for his reaction. He is really the only one who could have squashed it… but he didn’t. Like I said yesterday, bad move by him.
On to some other stuff:
“When is Ensburg going to replace Giambi!! Enough already!”
S.O.S. I made a comment about this yesterday. I think its too early to be calling for Giambi’s head. He has looked awful so far at the plate, I agree. I described his swing right now as a blind man trying to swat flies. But its too small of a sample size, the guy has only played 10-11 games.
Basically what I think is going on is that Girardi wants to use him as the regular first baseman, that is clear. But I think the longer he struggles the more days off you’ll see him getting. Now its around one or 2 a week, or against a tough lefty. But if he keeps this up I think you’ll see a gradual decrease in playing time for him.
I have my full support behind Ensberg as the guy to scoop up those extra at bats. I love Duncan and the energy he brings, I just think Ensberg is a better fit over there right now. He’s such a professional hitter and fits the lineup very well.
I see Anti-Mussina has been very active today. Any chance him and McLovin’ are the same guy?
Stats aside: Manny’s the guy I’m most afraid of facing the Yanks in a key situation – of course, that’s with limited exposure to Pujols. But other teams’ fans would likely say that about Arod and Jeter as well – often the closer you are to something, the less likely you are to see it objectively. We’ve seem them fail more than other fans because we’re watching so closely, but to other teams, they’re the guys that “always” get them.
I’ve come here to wish my team good luck and get some positivity going on the board. Yay. Now lets all hold hands together and start singing cumbaya (sp?).
…I was about to mention Sandy Alomar Jr, Luis Gonzalez and Dave Robrts in the same post, and then I decided it was a bad idea.
Up until this year it was Big Papi for me as the most feared hitter. He has burned us SO many times. But he looks like a shell of his former self right now, so I gotta go with Manny.
“But other teams’ fans would likely say that about Arod and Jeter as well”
I’ve heard Sox fans say that about Matsui too. Though that was a year or two ago, there was definitely a sense that he came through against them all the time.
karebear,
Good points. And the more you see a team the more dangerous you are. Boston would say Jeter. Mo would say the whole Orioles team. Wang would say Ortiz & Manny. He’d be right, though, they make every team pay.
mel – going by pure imagination, i say manny. he has a knack for making yankees fans want to jump off a bridge.
rb: Every Yankee game I’ve been to where he’s played, he’s homered.
rb,
I think we’ll give the inaugural “Nightmare Award” to Manny.
Rebecca,
Please don’t go to any more Sox games unless you know he’s not going to play.
Another Yankee killer is Chone Figgins. That one I never get. The others like Manny and Ortiz, I can get, they kill everyone, ask Cleveland, but Figgins always hits the Yankees.
Honestly, I think that Girardi’s done a great job in the early going managing the bench and mixing players in and out of the lineup. You know that Damon’s sitting tonight because they want Posada in the lineup and to ride Hideki’s hot hand, but I still wouldn’t be surprised to see him make a pinch-hit or run appearance late in the game.
The thing i’m most interested in is how Wang does tonight so soon after just facing that lineup. I loved the way he went after the Sox hitters last Friday, going right in on Manny’s knuckles. The way he mixed his pitches andused the plate was brilliant. If he can do that twice in one week against these hitters than I think we can forget last October and recognize Wanger as the real deal.
And, if no one’s read that piece on Chien-Ming over at SI.com yet, do yourselves a favor and check it out.
Rebecca, tell me you’re not going to any Yankees-Red Sox games this year.
While we’re on the Red Sox, I just got tickets to the Patriots Day game at Fenway on Monday. I know, I know – Red Sox. But it’s actually a very fun game to go to – Monday’s a state holiday, and the Boston Marathon runs the same day. They time the game so that it lets out at around the same time that the people leading the marathon pass by Fenway. It’s a very fun day to get up, go to breakfast, see a game, have a few beers, then cheer on the marathoners. That being said – go Texas Rangers!
I feel like the Yankees have managed Ortiz much better than they have Manny. I think their stats are similar vs. the Yankees, but Manny’s big hits seem to come in bigger situations. He also miraculously becomes this super-acrobatic outfielder when he plays them…
If you click on Anti-Mussina’s handle it brings you to a non functional website called “Pettitte-The-Backstabber.com”
I thought that was pretty amusing.
right, chone figgins. also, grady sizemore’s always doing something.
now, the opposite question: who do you want to see up in a big situation for the yankees? i say matsui, or the more interesting choice, melky. i kind of feel like melky’s on his way to clutch.
Who said anything about Yankees-Sox?
I’ve seen him twice and the first time he was with Cleveland…
Manny & Ortiz, Figgins, and Miguel Tejada, too (but now he’s in the other league, right???)
To me MannyOrtiz is one person. They’re both bad news to the Yankees.
RB: Hmm. I’m tempted to say Jeter, though he tends to be more just get-on-base type. Though I’m with you on Melky, he’s acting like he’s on his way to clutch. Matsui and A-Rod run hot and cold. I wouldn’t mind seeing Bobby up there.
I love Canò, but he rarely clutches. Though he did in Tampa
miggs, anti-mussina was anti-pettitte first…
Great news in the 5:57 update, thanks Pete!!
Doreen,
We’ll just dub them “More-Tease”
Of the Yankees, it’s either Matsui, Jeter (pre-gidp), or Abreu. (Melky’s getting closer, though.) They’re the most consistent in big situations.
Mel -
I like it!
Rebecca, i’ve noticed you like typing out the accents in the names that have them. Do you have some kind of spanish keyboard or do you just know all of the keystrokes? or do you cut-n-paste them all?
Pete: Great news re: Harlan, thanks!
Thanks for the latest update, Pete. All positive news.
saucY: Mac shortcuts
I tend to only do it for Canò, because, well, I can’t remember where it goes in Rodriguez. I guess I do it for guys named Peña too, but they don’t have many of those on the Yankees
Maybe I’m crazy for saying this…. but I’d like to have a 3 time MVP (who is also the best hitter in the game) up in the clutch situation. Yeah I said it. A Rod.
Sorry, had to share. Got visions in my head of Manny trying to impress Rebecca with endless homeruns. But she hates his clothes and his red dreads. Her “dad” SJ has a shotgun and won’t let Manny past the porch.
Ack!!!
We need the game to start now!
i’m very glad to hear that Harlan is doing better. Hopefully he can get well enough to leave the hospital very soon.
For some reason I just started to feel really pumped about tonight’s game. I guess because I realized Wang has a shot for his 4th win already and it’s only April 16th. Has anyone else gotten to 4 wins yet?
i wonder if they have seperate tiles for accents in spanish scrabble?
“Matsui and A-Rod run hot and cold”
Everyone runs hot and cold. Even the great Manny and Ortiz. It’s just that we don’t see it, unless it happens against the Yankees. ARod can K with the game on the line against the Orioles and it’s on ESPN. Ortiz does it and it’s not. Unless he’s in a slump as epic as the one he’s in now.
I gotta take me one of those Mac classes – I have one but don’t know how to use all its functions.
My vote as the most feared hitter is David Eckstein. I mean he kills us everytime he faces us. Look at the 02 playoff series. O.k. he’s not scary. Can we have a vote on the most pain in the rear hitters?
Rebecca: I believe the accent goes over the I in Rodriguez
Hugh. You’re the most racist person that i’ve encountered from my experience on this blog.
You said in a different post that Latroy Hawkins gets booed because he is black?!?!?! GTFOH with that.
I swear there are names for people like you. I bet all the biggoted and racist remarks you’ve said so far. You wouldn’t even have the guts to say it infront of any individual. Go ahead, keep typing with your little keyboard, posting messages on the internet. Hide behind your computer all-day cause you’ll get checked if you walk in the streets of New York and say those racist remarks.
I just can’t wait until the Yankees start tapping the Netherlands and Sweden so I can start typing Bjørn Könenberg and stuff.
For non-Mac people, use Word and the insert symbol function. You can cut and paste anything from Word into the blog.
Brian – Webb just went 4-0.
“pain in the rear” hitters…..
Ichiro
Pedroia
Polanco
Tutoliwitzki (sp)
Saucy -
No accents, but a tilde-n tile, a “LL” tile, a “ch” tile and an “RR” tile.
“Rebecca, i’ve noticed you like typing out the accents in the names that have them. Do you have some kind of spanish keyboard or do you just know all of the keystrokes? or do you cut-n-paste them all?”
Same question for mel about the Japanese Happy Birthday writing?
“i wonder if they have seperate tiles for accents in spanish scrabble?”
Whats the point saucy. The only word you would be able to spell in spanish would be Pena. Speaking of Pena. I think he should be our starting catcher till Posada of Molina’s back.
“pain in the rear†hitters…..
Ichiro
Pedroia
Polanco
Tutoliwitzki (sp)
Can we add Brian Roberts to that?
George Brett
SoS,
Use the language bar function in Word. Arabic, Chinese, Japanese. Knock yourself out.
“Can we add Brian Roberts to that?”
Sure.
We should probably throw Dave Roberts in there too.
Springsteen endorsed Obama.
I really want to know(more than the accents stuff)how raymagnetic has that tm next to his name.
mel,
Thanks. I will now be able to write Tony Parker in french. Ginobli and Oberto in spanish.
Melky Cabrera vs. Jacoby Ellsbury is a nice matchup to watch, with both emerging young CFs leading off tonight.
I’m betting on dark horse Melky having the better career. He’s a year younger and has shown more in his 2+ years in the bigs.
miggs,
If you asked Pettitte. I think he would place Carlos Pena in the Most Feared and Biggest Pain catagory.
Add Rios to the biggest pain list.
Glad that Joba’s dad is doing well.
The pre-game is on. David Cone is in-studio with Bob Lorenz.
I don’t know if anyone has said this about Joba before, but here it goes.
If the Yankees have 4 starters doing well in the rotation in August not including Joba, does it make sense to get him ready to go back to the bullpen for the post season?
Wang and Andy will be in the post season rotation barring injuries (knock on wood). That leaves Hughes, Mussina, Kennedy, and Joba for 2 spots. Even if Joba is performing better than these guys, we already know he can shorten the game to 7 or even 6 innings if needed. In other words, he is much more valuable in the bullpen than any of our starters.
Did anyone before the season started wanted Coco traded. Just for the fact that he seems to take hits away from us seems like every game we play them? I cant stand him roaming the outfield for the sox.
Rios is a good one. I hate to say it but how about Youkalis?
mel: That is so disturbing, on so many levels.
Heh, wonder how many of you can’t wait to dip into the Israeli market…
×¨× ×‘×œ×•×ž×‘×¨×’, for example, though I don’t actually know if it’s accurate spelling or not.
SoS. God, yes!! I can’t stand the way he sits his chin on his shoulder and makes his cho-cho lips.
Add Aaron-freaking-Hill to that list of pests.
Hey! We want our own pest, call up Gardner!
George Brett still gives me nightmares. In the ALCS (76,77,78,80 I’m really showing my age) it seemed like he was always hitting big home runs against us.
For those of you wondering what Rebecca wrote, it says “Ron Bloomberg” in hebrew
Clay what about Willie Wilson and all those inside the parkers?
If you asked Rivera his vote for both feared and Pain would go to Bill Mueller.
Rebecca- the Hebrew spelling looks right to me.
Just win tonight.
Oh man, that’s great news for Mr. Chamberlain. I’m glad he’s doing better.
I’m definitely looking forward to the first Sox-Yanks game at home…but hopefully they can get runners on and actually score them.
we play today – we win today – das it
Fran: good to know.
BTW, I’m still waiting on Fordham and now my parents are asking about it…
Nieves got called up by the Nationals eh? They should trade for Andy Phillips and really strengthen their lineup.
Patrick
don’t you have some videotapes to return?
I like our chances today. Last time we faced Buchholz for the first time, I see our hitters making adjustments in this game.
On the other hand the Sox have faced Wang a ton, and they had no answers for him last week.
Wang got lucky the last time. Just hope the good luck continues tonight.
“Nieves got called up by the Nationals eh? They should trade for Andy Phillips and really strengthen their lineup.”
Go get Bubba!!
Rebecca – good luck. I have a good feeling about Fordham.
The thing about Hughes and IAK is that they have innings caps too. Now of course Phil has to make it past the 3rd inning more often for his cap to come into play (and I’m confident that will happen!), but depending how things shake out, we don’t know how those caps will be coming into play by October, maybe Phil and/or IAK will already be close to their number by then.
Also, by the time Joba moves into the rotation (and I say when, not if), there will be reinforcements coming from AA and AAA — we get updates about them all the time from Pete and from some of the sharper regulars on here. So it’s not like Jobo’s bullpen innings will default to Farns and Bruney. It’s going to be ok.
Rebecca,
Fordham, Bronx campus? If yes, you have to eat on Arthur Avenue. Especially after a home Yankee game.
Jimmy 27,
Yeah, Willie Wilson was fast!
Career OPS+ for Active Players and All-Time placement
03. Barry Bonds (43) 182 L
09. Albert Pujols (28) 168 R
19. Frank Thomas (40) 157 R
25. Manny Ramirez (36) 154 R
34. Jeff Bagwell 149 R
34. Jim Thome (37) 149 L
39. Vladimir Guerrero (32) 148 R
41. Lance Berkman (32) 147 B
41. Jason Giambi (37) 147 L
41. Alex Rodriguez (32) 147 R
Great news about Mr. Chamberlain
Oh yeah-Let’s Go Rangers! Let’s go Yanks!
I think Kennedy’s cap is going to be near 200 innings, so he should be able to make all of his starts.
Steph (I think it was Steph) – Beware the Chucky doll aka Bucholz!
Fran – we got this game knocked. Yes?
Everyone else – enjoy the game and try not to get negative no matter what happens. If they’re out there busting their humps then they deserve our support no matter what happens on a given day! Remember, one AB can turn everything around (or one good outing).
Back to my forum of positive Y fans! The code sentence there is “send him down to AAA!” always spoken as a joke. Though one time when Mo gave up two hits, the mantra was “Trade Mo!”
GO YANKEES!
Girardi is doing a terrific job of rotating everyone in and keeping everyone fresh. He is doing a great job of balancing the hot streak vs past stats against a particular pitcher. Bravo!
Prediction.
5-2 Yankees win. Tied for first. Wang 6.1 innings pitched. Buchholtz 4.2
Arod launches one. Jeter steals a base. Ortiz stays slumping. Manny watches a pop fly at the plate(thinking its a homerun)while Melky catches it. Youk cries about something.
By the way, if you want to get negative make it be over something that REALLY matters – like being forced to watch NESN during a Yanks-Sux series!!!
As long as we’re going on the record with our predictions, I predict that Pedroyer will be completely bald by the end of tomorrow’s game.
Paul O’Neill feels good about that the fans did to Hawkins, or so he tells the AP. Update in the previous post.
The Yanks were very patient against Buchholz, but they just didn’t get the hits with runners in scoring position. That needs to be fixed if they want to dominate. Yesterday was painful (what little I saw of it), so if they can get some solid hits and jump over him early and often, I’ll be happy.
Wow – hard to look at O’Neill the same way again, isn’t it…
If Wang is going to generate a ton of ground balls, I almost wish AG was out there.
Bucholtz will go 7, Wang probably 4. Me predicts Sox will win 10-2. Let’s go Indians!
Lets go Yanks, Wang
Can someone keep us updated if the crowd chants “Laptops.”
It would be tooo funny…
Are you serious? I thought O’Neill was better than that. It’s a sad day for Yankee fans. Well, at least for me.
I can understand being happy that fans still recognize him as #21, but Hawkins was wearing it out of respect for a great player and man.
What did Pete just post about O’Neill?
walk Manny now
basically that he was happy the fans did what they did (in recongnition of him) and that hawkins changed his number – not cool as far as I am concerned…
Ok, I don’t think Paul O’Neill is shining with heroism in all this, but I think you’re distorting his quote if you take it to mean that he’s glad fans were booing Hawkins. Maybe I’m being too charitible, but a fair reading of that quote is that he’s glad fans still remember him so fondly and consider him the rightful and only #21. I think it’s fair to think that Paul O. is being a jerk about this without thinking he’s being a super-jerk that’s glad Hawkins got booed.
Great news about Joba’s father.
It’s got to be a joke, a misprint, or someone is impersonating Pete.
Ugh, Matsui misplayed that.
i’m not watching live – but what’s with all these balls!!! what happened to the strike zone?
told ya so
Don’t be insane. IT is the first inning.
C’mon Wang, you can do this…
Pitching to Manny yet again..with 2 outs. Some people just do not have any brains.
well that sucked
Pavano and Giambi made Heyman’s worst 13 FA signings EVER! haha Ouch.
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/04/16/worst-free-agent-deals-in-history/
I guess you have to pitch to Manny in the first. But the guy is just unbelievable. I’ve never seen someone so locked in and be able to hit any type of pitch.
I certainly wasn’t saying he was happy with the booing – moreso with still being recognized etc…he’s an announcer? Of course the people still recognize him and think of him and the championships…they still see him. But I think even tacitly approving of the booing is not cool
I read what O’Neil said..and I don’t even know how to respond.
All I have to say is : You gotta be kidding me.
Alright bats-time to get to work
You can’t walk Manny every time he comes up.
I’m just a little mad that O’Neill never put a rest to the issue. He skirted around it and gave the “I’m happy that fans still recognize me as #21…” thing, but he should have just plainly said whether or not it made him mad that someone was wearing his number. Yeah, it’d make him sound like a jerk if he said it did make him mad, but the situation does sort of make him look like one right now.
Ever see how Boston pitches or tries to pitch to Arod? Pitches off the plate and they let him get himself out. If he doesn’t swing then they will just walk him and let the next hitter beat them. Very rarely does Arod see fastballs over the plate from them..But keep letting Manny beat you..especially with 2 outs.
Matsui did a terrible job getting back on Manny’s fly. It hit the base of the wall. Ratdroia’s maybe out if he get’s near it and Jete can cut loose.
In case people didn’t read the update, here’s what Pete wrote:
UPDATE, 7:03 p.m.: Here’s what Paul O’Neill told the AP about the situation:
“What can I say? The fans have always been unbelievable to me there. I don’t really know how to explain it. It makes you feel good that the fans still think of you as wearing that number.â€
It makes you feel good that the fans booed another Yankees? Interesting take.
Joe Girardi: “I obviously understand the feelings for Paul O’Neill because I was here, and I know what he meant to me as a teammate and what he means to me as a friend, and what he means to the people of New York, Yankees fans. But LaTroy was trying to honor Roberto Clemente, someone he looked up to. It was nothing against Paul O’Neill. I think LaTroy has the ultimate respect for Paul O’Neill. It’s a tough spot.â€
Youkilis is even better than Manny with RISP. Why would you walk him? That makes no sense.
Use your heads, geez.
Go back to previous thread if want to talk about him!!
You have to challenge hitters. Besides, the pitch Manny hit was at the knees OUTSIDE the strike zone.
Way to swing at that first pitch, Jeter!
Yeah Bobby! 2-1 Yanks!
2-1 Yanks
Bobby Baseball! 2-1 Yanks
YEAH BOBBY!
Fantasy numbers =D
Thank goodness Jeter wasn’t in scoring position for Bobby!
Woo hoo!
woohoo!
Wow, I know nobody cares, but I just called that HR. Awesome.
Getting on the board early is important. Let’s wear this kid down like they wore down Phil last week.
Nick: LMAO. You know it’s so true.
The Candy Eater
Bobby to Buchholz: Give those laptops back!
wang has to go inside strong to manny… as i type, manny hammers a low inside fastball for a double to the wall. low inside is not strong inside.
this is not rocket science, an up and in strike is a totally different pitch for a hitter to hit than a down and in pitch because the hitter has to hit the up and in pitch about a yard closer to the pitcher. it just gives him more time to hit the ball.
who is deciding to pitch manny down and in ? whoever it is just doesn’t get it.
manny will continue to feast on yankee pitching as long as the plan is to go down and in to him.
Atta boy!!
Nice Bobby Baby!
woohoo
That’s what I’m talking about! Here comes the Yankee offense!
A-Rod couldn’t let Bobby have it all to himself! 3-1 Yanks!
Maybe what Paul should have said was
While I am flattered that the fans still think so much of me, it isn’t right to boo a player on your team for wearing a number in circulation.
Arod to Buchholz: Give those laptops back!
…You think A-Rod just had the kid or something?
Geez talk about a deer in headlights.
LOL!
Alex!
hit parade!!
A-ROD ATTAINS BEAST STATUS 2008
Let’s make it 4 in a row against a MAJOR LEAGUER – to best the rout of Chase Wright
Jennifer…funny comment
In case you didn’t hear it Arod just passed Sux great Ted Williams. Hardee har har!
Paul did you see the look on his face. It was WHOA!!!
“Maybe what Paul should have said was
While I am flattered that the fans still think so much of me, it isn’t right to boo a player on your team for wearing a number in circulation.”
Jennifer I agree. I wish he said something like this.
welcome to yankee stadium, clay
Jennifer, I absolutely agree that O’Neill has not covered himself in glory in this kerfuffle and could definitely revise and improve his remarks. All I am saying is that appreciating the fans’ love for HIM does not necessarily equal being happy that they booed Hawkins, as Pete’s comment implies.
“Bobby to Buchholz: Give those laptops back!”
They’re outdated. Buy everone new laptops!
“it just gives him more time to hit the ball”
“it” = the low inside fastball
hitters in bp ask for low inside pitches in bp to practice dropping the bat head on the ball. i think manny has the move down.
Like that VISA commercial, it was priceless!
where’s belial now ?….loooooo !…..ser.
“Jennifer, I absolutely agree that O’Neill has not covered himself in glory in this kerfuffle and could definitely revise and improve his remarks. All I am saying is that appreciating the fans’ love for HIM does not necessarily equal being happy that they booed Hawkins, as Pete’s comment implies.”
I agree with Nick in SF. O’Neill also stated that he has absolutely no problem with Latroy for wearing number 21.
Back to the game.
Wow. I go out for 10 minutes and look what happens. Welcome to Yankee Stadium. Did anyone throw laptops on the field?
all the guys on the Gusipee Franco ad are a little strange
Rangers up 1-0
Be good Wang
I think I heard LAAAAAPPPPPPP TOOOOOOPPPPP LAAAAAAPPPPP TOOOOPPPP.
Wang is getting into trouble.
Is this the result Chad Moeller catching or is Wang just off? Lots of balls tonight
Great time for a DP…
Stupid Rangers
C’mon Wang, strikes are your friend!
Could Wang be overthrowing? He seems to be tailing the ball outside on every pitch. He’s got to get that fixed asap. I’m not too worried, but he needs to hit these spots soon or we’re in trouble.
i’m wondering if wang is having trouble with the catcher. it’s like he’s not trusting what’s getting called.
when’s the last time you saw a triple play??
“I think I heard LAAAAAPPPPPPP TOOOOOOPPPPP LAAAAAAPPPPP TOOOOPPPP”
Really?? That’s so awesome!
A gb dp away from trouble.
Ace or lucky ? LOL
*getting out of trouble.**
rob
Bostondirtdogs.com
It also looks like he’s finishing off in a different spot than usual. Could just be my imagination, but I think he’s finishing a little further off.
i know wang doesn’t look sharp so far, but could it also be moeller too and how he is calling the game?
And Rob I guess throwing a few almost no hitters is lucky huh? Why not worry about your own team.
Walks bases loaded. Need to get this fixed. Even a ground ball that plates a run. Something.
Bases loaded and no out…how about a K followed up by a DP?
No way this is Moeller.
Wang can’t even hit the plate. He’s got NOTHING.
Heh. If it ain’t one thing it’s another, isn’t it. The only thing you can count on from this team is don’t count on anything.
Paul: Been a long time. I think there are more perfect games than unassisted TPs.
who figured this to be a high scoring game?
NICE PLAY
Damn! Wangs pulling a Wakefield.
nice, wanger!!
Good play by Wang. One more.
That’s great news about Harlan and Joba.
I liked Girardi’s comments. Paul, not so much.
Varitek’s caught off the bag and is out in a rundown.
Well done, Red Sox Captain.
There are some nights when Wang’s ball has too much natural movement. So much that his command suffers.
Tonight may be one of those nights.
This happened with him last year when he’d look very good and then lose his command for an inning during a game.
There’s probably something off with his mechanics right now.
He needs to fight through it like andy did last night.
It’s not the catcher.
Surprised Varitek didn’t try and knock the ball out of A Rod’s glove.
Wish I could mute Joe Morgan. He’sjust awful.
one run so far…not bad….three outs…cool
He didn’t have his gear on.
Good job by Wang to only let one run score!
cb you think he can fix it on the fly?
bases loaded and no outs, and they score 1 run?
It’s true, the Red Sox ARE the new Yankees…
What can you say, Wang’s a grinder…
Oh man. That sounds so wrong.
What a chicken$^!&! Take it like a man. lol.
and what’s with the dude and the chain saw…I don’t get it
Wang stuff is very alive tonight. Tremendous movement on the ball and he’s keeping it low.
To get a sense of that just look at how weak all of the contact has been off of him besides Manny’s hit.
Back to work bats
I thought that it looked like he was finishing further off to the right side of the mound than he normally does. If he was, that could have been affecting his command.
Okay, let’s hope he builds off this and keeps them quiet the rest of the way. Keep making Bucholtz work and we’ll be set.
Dave Eiland will talk to Wang in the dugout about his release point. It’s not smooth flowing like normal from a camera angle.
well… it’s still a two hitter…
Wang is so good. Bases loaded, no outs? No problem, three ground ball outs in a row.
I think he’ll settle down a bit from here on out.
Giambi has to wake up one of these days, right? I mean, even well into his decline phase, he isn’t a .094 hitter.
you guys dont get how powerful I am, I told you we are going to knock clay out by the 5th. Wang is going to go 7 innings tonight giving up 3. scroll up, I told you this before the game started.
The most animated he gets is when he’s talking about expensive cars. “I want to be just like Moose,” Wang says with a smile, referring to Yankees pitcher Mike Mussina, who owns a collection of vintage cars.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/albert_chen/04/15/wang0421/2.html
Giambi’s hitting 094 and the coaches are happy?
I think my bird can run faster than Jason. Geez.
What happened to Giambi’s legendary eye? That was ball 4…
You know, you guys have one hell of a sense of humor =D
I wish Giambi would lay one down the third base line just once…
global warming-
it’s subtle, but watch varitek give a target with his mitt.the pitcher clearly sees it before he releases the ball. when moeller sets up he often doesn’t show location with his mitt until the pitch is on the way.
that may bother some pitchers or simply take some time to get used to. pitchers can pitch to catchers body parts too . it doesn’t have to be to the mitt, but something looks off between moeller and wang.
i bet buchholz stole all those necklaces he has
When will Giambi do something?
how old is Mooler?
33
Wow..Chad did something
oops…Moeler
Hey, we’re not looking for a lot of bat production from Giambi, he’s a glove specialist.
Well, he has looked pretty good on the field thus far….
Phil-
Or rather dusty didn’t. He should have had that.
SA: About the 8th, when they bring Timlin in.
Does it annoy anyone else that they call Ortiz Papi? I hate it. It is the nickname of soxs fans NOT YANKEE FANS!!
ok…let’s start a pool….I bet Big Papi flies out to shallow left
LOL
Hopefully Wang is Wang this inning
at least they are working on that pitch count thing
What’s with the Papi graphic, YES? Whose side are you on?
Just woke up and it took forever to catch up on the comments of this and the previous post. Everyone’s chatty today!
Why can’t Giambi lay down a bunt when the shift is on?
Wow, O’Neil has made himself look even worse now. I like what Giradi said. O’Neil just went down a further notch in my book.
Jete’s avg. is back up to .324. That looks a whole lot better.
Is the the 2nd or 3rd time they’re gone back to back HRs this year?
I like Papi…classy guy
that mohegan sun commercial has to be the most annoying on tv
It wouldn’t really annoy me because that’s a name that basically everyone calls him. To me, the Angels broadcasters out here are more annoying when they say stuff like, “Let’s get Figgy with it” when they talk about Figgins at the plate.
Giambi is a pull hitter. It’s that simple. He doesn’t have the batspeed to generate power the other way like he once did. He’s never had any reason to learn to bunt, and he’s not good at waiting on a pitch and driving it the other way. You can’t ask him to be something he’s not.
Where did that pitch miss?
I love Mohegan Sun though. Hands down 100 times better than Foxwoods.
Does anyone else here absolutley hate John Flaherty trying to commentate?
Manny doesn’t like that inside pitch. He looked ticked. Thats why we should pound him inside!!
HAHA!!! Throw him out!! THROW HIM OUT!!
That was funny.
Ooooooooh, I love that. Be Manny, Manny!
throw him out
ROFL MANNY
LOL, talk about Manny being Manny. That pitch was RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE and Manny got incredibly fired up over it. I guess he was just embarrassed about being punched out when he was halfway down the baseline.
Alright then. I’ll invest in a jet pack for Giambi and strap it to his back. Then again, he might need a little bigger boost than that to make it to first on time…
Manny should have been out sooner in the AB, but he’s out anyway, so that’s all that matters.
moeller is giving a good target this inning so far with manny. i’ll have to watch the replay later. i was careful not to say anything until i watched the whole inning last inning, but moeller looks fine right now.
1-2-3
Exactly what Wang needed.
To bad he didn’t get thrown out for arguing balls and strikes. Wang sure would miss pitching to him.
good inning…good inning
that was on a T! The only reason he didn’t think it was a strike is cause he was fooled and didn’t swing.
hahahaha manny!!!!!!!!!!
The McClellentron 5000 made the right call.
That’s gotta be about the funniest K I’ve ever seen. And, when I was just thinking about how Manny’s got such a good idea of the strike zone for laying off that pitch that was just off the corner…
YanksAngel: Yeah, that’s exactly what I was thinking as soon as he started arguing. That would have been nice to get him out of the game.
Manny should have gotten thrown out of the game there. Woofing too much.
I might kill myself if i hear John Flaherty speak another word. He sucks!
YanksAngel…Manny’s got a .538 BA against Wanger. Enjoy that K while you can…
That guy holding up the “Moany Ramirez” sign…isn’t he the same guy who held up the Mr. November sign when Jeter hit the homer in November against the D-Backs? It sure looked like him.
Someone getting tossed from the game.
It’s get some rusn time….let’s go yankees!
How far back is it? I’ll have to rewind.
Buchholz 50 pitches…6 outs.
Yankees baseball.
Michael Kay should be euthanized
That was classy how Bobby gave Drew a little thumbs up on the non-play at the wall.
Whew, I love the way Jeter fights in every at-bat and then randomly hits the first pitch.
There isnt a player like him in baseball. We missed him a heck of a lot when he was gone.
“I might kill myself if i hear John Flaherty speak another word. He sucks!”
He’s nowhere near as bad as Joe Morgan. Ughh.
Giambi will bunt for a hit when the situation calls for it, like if he’s leading off the 8th or 9th with the team down by 2.
Other than that, there’s really not much of a point.
Do I hear Yankees — chants? Whats up with that! Boo them out!
Are they really chanting laptops?
Hes not as bad as Joe Morgan, but anyone watching the game on YES saw his ungly brown suit, thats gotta go!.
yanksangel. You think it was laptops?
what is the whole laptop thing can someone explain lol thanks?
How good is Dave Eiland?
Really?
How good is he?
Bases loaded, no outs. Goes out to talk to Wang. Obviously mechanics issue. Wang settles down, gets three weak grounders.
Awesome.
Rasner today – 5 IP, 1 ER
Patterson – 1 IP, 0 ER
Am I imagining things or did I hear this same crap about the back foot the last game I heard Morgan announce?
what does pradigious mean?
what is the whole laptop thing can someone explain lol thanks?
Clay Buchholz was arrested in high school for stealing laptops from a middle school. The Sox weren’t going to draft him unless he promised that he would be a model citizen because it was putting their reputation on the line. He promised and they drafted him.
I wonder what Kay’s verbal SAT scores were
My night is made.
Manny! Manmeister! The Manometer! Stylin for the camera! Manny! Almost tossed from the game!
Remy said he was lucky he didn’t get tossed and was surprised McClelland didn’t do it. He also said that Manny was lucky he wasn’t punched out when the count was 1-2 because he stood there and just kept taking pitches.
NESN replayed it about 3 times!
Manmeister! Stylin for McLelland.
Before I go, wanna see something scary? Check out the vampire on the left!
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2008/04/16/UWjvy7OH.jpg
Buchholz would have been drafted higher but other teams passed on him because he had been arrested for stealing 29 laptops from his high school and selling them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Buchholz
Buchholtz was arrested in high school for stealing laptops.
I sware I think that’s what they’re chanting.
Not trying to offend anyone from the gay or lesbian community.
But that was a pretty funny scene with the Generation Tres Gay in the booth there.
he must have dashboard on his laptop
He was arrested for stealing 29 laptops from his high school and selling them.
buchholz throws four straight off speed pitches to arod to strike him out. that’s different.
Laptop incident …
http://www.kfdm.com/onset?id=5203&template=article.html
prodigious – excessively great in size or force.
2-2 in the Rangers/Devils game
oh wow lol thanks
Come on Wang..
poor throw by Melky, he should have had him.
Ack, 3-3
Melky’s arm so accurate yet this year
“Buchholz had been arrested for stealing 29 laptops from his high school and selling them.”
interesting..
isn’t so accurate….:(
I don’t like how Chad blocks the plate.
Jason’s having the kind of year Posada had last year.
The Bleacher Creatures are out in force -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwBa3XA3Sl4
Lol, cute move by Casey.
ARod is throwing great …I remember him throwing high to first a lot last year…
snack time…
Okay that was really funny from Casey.
Coors Lite “vent cans”: A wife-hating good time.
Marriage suits Matsui-sama well.
Alright bats-back to work
Oh-Rangers up 3-2 now
CC has given up 9 runs to the tigers!! In 4 plus innings!!! The weather is warm.
I wonder if people still want to give him 20 plus illion a year.
Tigers are hitting again…. 9-1 lead.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_04_16_detmlb_clemlb_1
OUCH!!
About time for Giambi
CC might be pitching his way out of a big contract.
Giambi beat the shift! He got a single.
CC, this is not helping your contract prospects :/
Dang, the wind kept that in.
a 404 foot out by Cano
If I’m Cashman I’m not offering CC more than 16 mil a year for 5 years. MAYBE 18-19 for 3 or 4.
He’s not worth it.
In terms of teams I hate, the Red Sox are only just ahead of the Rangers…
myrtle that is way too much. He’s pitched 4 games? And hasn’t had a single good game.
If I’m Cashman, I’m probably not offering CC a contract.
Clay does have an impressive Uncle Charlie. But after three trips they need to hammer that thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQEtS1KXzNg&feature=related
thats the best yankee/redsox fan rivarly…especially at minute 1:13…freaking hilarious
C.C isn’t having a good day
steph agreed. People might call us nuts. But i’m not buying what he is selling.
He isn’t having a good year.
Pretty impressive bat from Moeller so far.
What are everyone’s thoughts on resigning bobby? I just feel like once he gets his money, he’ll start to take it easy. He’s a great hitter, but doesn’t have that drive to make him work hard every off-season.
Nice at bat by Moeller. He fought hard.
Chad Moeller 2 for 2 and an RBI!!!
MOELLER!
Chad’s our new favorite 3rd catcher!
I wasn’t a fan of the idea of the Yanks trying to sign him in the first place. I don’t trust his physique and I am tired of the FA pitching market. CC’s got a lot of miles on that arm…I don’t know how long it’s going to hold up. I’d rather they go after Texiera.
Nice bloop by Moeller to get Matsui in!
Cmon, Melk-man!!!
Nice Chad
I say re-sign Bobby, but on a week-to-week basis. With a bonus for some wall time.
awwww, leave him in!!!
mel – i agree: best 3rd catcher ever
Something about that back up catcher position that brings out the best in people.
Okay, one more chance at predicting, DJ’s 2nd career slam??
He’s more than due!
There once was a doof named belial,
the goof would make us all smile,
thought the Sux would sure win,
but I say with a grin,
you’re livin’ yer life in denial !
Adave disgree. You re-sign him for 2 years, and hope the kids will be ready by than. I doubt they will be ready next year, I could be wrong. who would you rather have on this list?
Outfielders
Bobby Abreu NYY
Moises Alou NYM
Garret Anderson * LAA
Rocco Baldelli * TB
Willie Bloomquist SEA
Emil Brown OAK
Pat Burrell PHI
Endy Chavez NYM
Adam Dunn CIN
Jim Edmonds SD
Juan Encarnacion STL
Cliff Floyd TB
Brian Giles * SD
Ken Griffey Jr. * CIN
Vladimir Guerrero * LAA
Raul Ibanez SEA
Jacque Jones DET
Mark Kotsay ATL
Rob Mackowiak WAS
Kevin Mench TEX
Jason Michaels * CLE
Craig Monroe MIN
Jay Payton BAL
Scott Podsednik COL
Manny Ramirez * BOS
Juan Rivera LAA
Rondell White MIN
I think that the Yanks should see if Bobby would agree to a 1-year deal. Unlikely, but I’d ask. I don’t think A-Jax is going to be ready and Gardener doesn’t provide the same sort of offense that Bobby brings. Until there’s a suitable replacement ready, I’d probably ask Bobby around for one more round.
Nooooo
Leave laptops in. We like him
hehe buzzed ‘em
I don’t get it. We’re not swinging at bad pitches tonight.
There’s a lot of talent in Buchholz’s arm.
If he can improve his control, he’ll be a force in the AL East for years with those off-speed pitches and his fastball in the low 90’s.
I dont think its even a question about resigning Bobby.
Let Damon go. Bobby is 34 and has many more years ahead of him. Give him 3 years at 14-15. Maybe 2 at 16. I can’t imagine him wanting to play somewhere else, but he could get more guaranteed, 4-5 years for 14-15.
Steph i like your thinking….texiera….1st basemen? That can field first base?
Pretty weak outfield class if you ask me. IF Bobby has the same year he had last year you have to re-sign him!!
Hangin laptop out to dry
Buchholz hasn’t looked great tonight, but he definitely has a great deal of poise. His secondary stuff is very, very good which will allow him to pitch at a high level for a very long time. His fastball isn’t going to go much higher than 91-92mph and it is pretty straight, but his curve/change combo completely makes up for it. He needs to stop pitching high in the zone though with it.
Encarnacion probably won’t be back in the majors…ever. So you’d have to take him off that list. But there’s nobody on the list I’d actually want besides Bobby since I know what I’m getting when I sign him.
OMG! Laptop almost hit his idol.
hitter’s pitch !
Go Jeter! 2-run single!
sweeeeeet
YEAH JETER! That’s how you hit with the bases juiced!
I give Bobby 2, maybe try to sneak in a club option for a 3rd?
JETER IS THE BEST HITTER IN THE CLUTCH OF ALL TIME. GOD I LOVE HIM.
Anyone that has game feed, has there been any “Laptop” chants so far?
Jeter: “You want that autograph now, kid?”
Typical Jete. Get a few RBIs and leave a few for someone else.
Yeah, I just copied the list off the net, I only deleted Crawford, since I believe he signed an extension.
I’m listening to the spanish radio cast – it’s awesome
Rock on Captain!
“S.o.S.27
April 16th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Prediction.
5-2 Yankees win. Tied for first. Wang 6.1 innings pitched. Buchholtz 4.2
Arod launches one. Jeter steals a base. Ortiz stays slumping. Manny watches a pop fly at the plate(thinking its a homerun)while Melky catches it. Youk cries about something.”
Well, so far, three predictions are good (Buchholz gone after 4.2, ARod launching one, and Ortiz slumping).
V Ideally I’d give him 1 year with options, but I doubt he’d take that. So you’d have to go 2 guaranteed with options.
LOL @ Michael Kay’s commentary:
“Bucholz said that he dreamed of pitching to Derek Jeter. As they say, be careful what you wish for.” (cuts to commercials)
Westerner99,,,oh yes, dude, he’s lookin’ SO sweet tonight ! Ya know that saying about being thought the fool and erasing all doubt ? Too funny,,,you’re timing is perfect, Einstein !
See ya, Buchholz.
Haha, yeah, I was figuring that the Yanks should finally think about getting a first baseman who…y’know…can hit. And field. And is a switch. And hits for average. He’d look like Superman out there compared to what the Yanks have had for a while.
On the other hand, I was in Trenton today to cover the Thunder and if you are in the tri-state area I highly recommend getting out there – if only to check out the #2 and #3 hitters, AJax and Tabata.
Tabata’s plate discipline was exceptional – compared to the start of the season – and he took two outside fastballs and lashed them into the rightfield corner for two doubles. Each double scored AJax from firstbase, his speed is effortless. Each time AJax had walked right before Tabata.
how do you say lap top in spanish??
….now go a way “little man” and have fun with your BoSux praises !
Oops, that was 3.2, not 4.2
Close though.
Re-read what I wrote Don Vito…he’s got potential.
But I appreciate you refering to me as Einstein. It would be presumptuous of me to think I have the intelligence of that man, but I appreciate you refering to me as such.
Nah, the Rays just exercised their option on him for 09. He’ll be a FA in 2010. Baldelli probably won’t be back in the majors again either. Tragic for both him and Encarnacion…
Will we finally hit Freddy Kruger?
WHat happened to Pete? Why isn’t he updating?
I don’t know what laptop is, but computer is la computadora.
jennifer, I dunno, it must be pretty scary as a hititer to have him staring you down from up on the mound.
Maybe someone stole Pete’s laptop, thus no updates?
It has nothing to do with Red Sox praises…just an observation from a baseball fan who appreciates talent.
If you are too biased to appreciate any talent other than those in pinstripes, you are missing out.
Ball gets away from Varitek and it’s 7-3!
I think Tavarez lost his control in one of the crevices on his face.
laptop might be maquina, not sure.
Westerner99….everyone has potential, this dude showed us all how he handles the pressure of playing the Yankees,,,IN APRIL…I’ll hold my praises of his potential in check, “little man” !
woo hoo…snack time again
The day I appreciated ANY talent on the BoSux …..nah, nevermind,,,you wouldn’t understand….
We will see a lot of the Boston bullpen which should help us out not only today but tomorrow if we can use up some of their arms.
This lineup has been much more patient the last few games. When Cano gets going, they are going to be very, very productive. Hopefully the pinch hit homerun and the 400 foot out will help. Although it still looks like he is not driving the ball consistently to the opposite field as he has in the past.
Why is Julian Tavarez soo ugly?
computadora portátil
???
Let me guess, now Wang gives the runs right back. WTFFFFF
Classic from S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and will be fine! Goodness..
Too funny.
2 outings of 9 earned runs!! OUCH!
I guess that would be the literal translation. Portatil is portable, so that would be “portable computer.”
Don, not sure why you want to label the size of my body…but I am 6′2″. If you consider that “little,” so be it.
It is an April baseball game and he is a young guy. Rather than being obtuse just for the sake of it, perhaps you should channel your energies into more honorable pursuits?
On second thought….nah, you wouldn’t understand.
Don Vito A. Bellamo, d00d, calm down. Buchholz has -talent-. He obviously ain’t an ace yet. Neither is Hughes. Both have the ability to be dominant in the future. Hughes is more likely, given he’s where he’s at at 21, but don’t knock the guy just because of the uniform on his back.
GIDP?
bronx liaison-
it’s interesting watching buchholz from an objective viewpoint. he pitches backward using his curveball and change to set up his fastball. if he gets behind,like he did with jeter, a hitter can sit on the of speed stuff if they choose to. jeter waited him out so he had to throw the fastball. it does look like it’s going to be a long time cat and mouse game between the yankees and buccholz.
GIDP with a runner on second and nobody on first?
don’t give anything back Wang
7-4…
Wang needs to settle down. And we need to rebury Ortiz’s jersey.
On the flip side, Wang’s fastball is really tailing and moving tonight. To be able to have that kind of movement on a FB…
Yes, Paul, yes.
I’m calm, DOOD !…Obtuse ?…ooh, big words…I am confused…I’m going back to my teacher in the AM and ask her what dat dare werd meens !
Settle down, Wang.
lost track…my bad…
Might Albaladejo see some game action tonight?
Anyone else think this looks suspiciously like his ALDS performance?
come on Wang
nice try with Robbie and Melky, almost got him
The play needs to be at home with these weak hitters coming up. We can’t allow Ortiz to score on a grounder. Its a forceout.
Duncan was finally held hitless in today’s game. Gardner held hitless, also.
What is up with wang’s location today??? Come on CMW!!!
Man this game is frustrating.
can we hold a lead for once?
Typical Yankee Baseball, giving every run back as soon as they get them.
7-6 and Ohlendorf is on his way in.
Fire Girardi. FIRE HIM.
pitcher change ?? Hello girardi?? Are you watching this game??
It’s ok, the Yankees will still win this game and Wang will win his next three starts.
Fight the urge to go negative, people!
Alby will probably get a little action, yeah. After Ohlendorf.
Wow Wang isn’t doing well this inning.
We can’t get it right. When our bats get hot, our pitching goes to crap. When our pitching and bullpen are on par, we can barely score 3 runs a game. So frustrating…
This is ridiculous!! He is locating his pitches but getting very unlucky. Sigh. None of those pitches were anywhere but the edge of the strikezone.
I don’t know what to say… it’s just good hitting. Hate to say it but it is.
Too late, the negativity has begun.
jeezus girardi – what the hell were you waiting for? the sox to put up 10 runs??
I think he just wanted wang in line for the win – it’s ok – now Ohlendorf can’t let the inherited runners score like last time.
Wang didn’t give us what we needed.
Yikes
Girardi has been absolutely lost on the bench. They are TEEING OFF on Wang, and they get 3 runs back on us. There is no reason you leave Wang in there after he loads the bases. IF you’re hoping for a double play ball, you’re a fool. They’re obviously locked in to the crap Wang has tonight. Now you have 1st and 2nd, no out, and only a one run lead?
How the hell did this guy win manager of the year? This is pathetic. He’s been pathetic.
Guys, relief pitchers do need a few minutes to warm up. Easy.
I think our offense will pick up the slack. Tavares is wild as they come, and the bats are hot tonight. Lets just hope the evil man known as Farnsworth doesn’t make an appearance
It is only the fifth inning and the Yankees have the lead…no reason to fire Girardi or throw in the towel. I’m waiting for the first “DFA _______” post.
That was totally not what I wanted to see.
C’mon O!
scooter: voice of sanity – it’s not like we had someone warming up with a 4 run lead
Always play with the mindset that no lead is ever large enough regardless of who the opponent is.
Peaks and valleys.
“Too late, the negativity has begun.”
Yup, the fair weather fans all reveal themselves :snort:
Wang went 9 innings of 2 hit ball last time they met… the thing that is left out of that though is that the Sox hit him relatively hard that night. Same thing this time, only the flys and line drives are finding holes.
This is exactly why Wang is not an ace. He’s got one pitch, and when it’s not working he’s toast.
Now don’t go nuts but this is what I was talking about when I talked about Wanger’s inconsistency. However, Yanks will bail him out and all will be well. And I know Wanger will pitch well again.
Meanwhile, did you see how upset Bucholz was when Francona took him out? I saw a knife in the Sux dugout. I think Francona is going to pay!
http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/alison_ripper_rapist/Chucky,-Child’s-Play150.jpg
Oh give me a break. Wang is a ground ball away from getting out of the mess.
“Girardi has been absolutely lost on the bench. They are TEEING OFF on Wang, and they get 3 runs back on us. There is no reason you leave Wang in there after he loads the bases. IF you’re hoping for a double play ball, you’re a fool. They’re obviously locked in to the crap Wang has tonight. Now you have 1st and 2nd, no out, and only a one run lead?
How the hell did this guy win manager of the year? This is pathetic. He’s been pathetic.”
Wow, you’re totally right. Silly Girardi. He should have brought in his reliever before he was warmed up :snort:
I hope this puts an absolute stop to all the ace talk regarding CMW: He’s is not an Ace.
Ace my A$$…CMW peaked last week. He’ll come back and pitch a gem against a sub 500 team and everyone will think he’s great again…only until the need a win and he’ll throw a game like tonight…
If it were up to this board, pitchers would be pulled after giving up their first hit; players would be DFA’d after their first strike out; and the manager would be fired whenever the Yankees are losing or winning by less than a dozen runs.
I’m surprised people haven’t asked if they can DFA Girardi.
“This is exactly why Wang is not an ace. He’s got one pitch, and when it’s not working he’s toast.”
Bull$hit, Pedro. He threw four pitches for strikes vs. the Red Sox on Friday. Go away.
Breathe everyone
Just for you Westerner99
“DFA _______â€
One bad start and he’s not an ace anymore? Geez.
Wang is a very good pitcher. Very good. But the definition of an ace is someone who, when he does not have his best stuff, can gut it out. Wang has never been capable of that and shows no sign of it ever happening.
Petitte is the stopper on this staff because he does not fall apart like Wang.
Pedro: he’s developed more pitches. He’s not just a sinkerballer anymore. The problem seems to be a mentality issue. I stated earlier, and I’ll state again, this looks just like his ALDS performance, as in, he’s just not throwing his game. Why tonight is different than in Boston, I don’t know, but maybe the Red Sox scouted him hard. He got clobbered.
Didn’t Wang just pitch a gem up in Fenway? I guess you forgot that?
damn it Wang. too bad he didn’t have another good outing but i understand it’s tough pitching to the same team twice in a row. let’s hope our bullpen is better than there’s.
nice Ohlendorg! struck out Varitek.
“Ace my A$$…CMW peaked last week. He’ll come back and pitch a gem against a sub 500 team and everyone will think he’s great again…only until the need a win and he’ll throw a game like tonight…”
Oh, I get it. We’ve got a troll you knows how to change his name.
Wow that was quick. They sure come out of the wood work.
Sheesh – I think the problem also had to do with facing the same line up again so quickly…they just saw Want on Friday obviously they were ready for him and he didn’t make the right adjustments.
Leslie Nielsen the ump
Try again.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/alison_ripper_rapist/Chucky,-Child’s-Play150.jpg
Ooohhh man, I want to watch my Jazz game as well…
ohlendorf* not ohlendorg
“If it were up to this board, pitchers would be pulled after giving up their first hit; players would be DFA’d after their first strike out; and the manager would be fired whenever the Yankees are losing or winning by less than a dozen runs.”
Sorry, but when they got 3 straight hits, it was time to take him out. He shouldn’t have waited for the 5th straight hit.
There’s nothing about this half inning that a little more Tavarez can’t fix.
Sean Casey again! I just wanna kill him with my bare hands!
Why is no one booing Ohlendorf? Where’s the loyalty to Roberto Kelly’s devoted service in uniform #39? Shouldn’t that baby be retired by now?
Wow he takes a long time to call the pitches!! I was getting annoying that he didn’t call it a strike.
“Why tonight is different than in Boston, I don’t know, but maybe the Red Sox scouted him hard. He got clobbered.”
He seemed to be leaving his pitches up instead of working low in the zone like he usually does. Even though the movement was excellent, instead of chopping the pitch into the dirt, they got more of the bat on it. Too bad all the grounders found holes.
Yankees need this game because tomorrow night is Mussina v Beckett
I think we should DFA the bat boy whose responsibility it is to put the rosin bag behind the mound at the beginning of the game. Clearly he is at fault because the bag did not contain enough resin for Wang to properly grip the ball, causing his meltdown. DFA the Bat Boy!!!
Like now…there is NO WAY I am tipping my cap to a BoSux player EVER….as much disdain as THEIR fans have for us and OUR Team,,,I give it right back to them…when we beat them, I rejoice….when they beat us I HATE IT….It’s called loyalty by some people, DUDES !
Ohlendorf in the 5th and 6th, Hawkins in the 7th, Farnsworth in the 8th, and Mo in the 9th?
all the people bitching about wang are ******* morons. do you know how hard it is when you start against the same team twice in a row. the best pitchers in baseball won’t have two masterful outings in a row vs. the same team.
You can do this Ross! C’mon!
“I asked Chien-Ming Wang yesterday whether he minded facing the same team two times in a row. He said he didn’t but obviously the hitters have an advantage. Add in some decent weather and both teams are hitting.”
Pete, you’re making excuses for your guy which is ok, but Wang just refused to throw anything but his sinker which didn’t sink tonight. If he mixed in his slider/changeup like he did Friday, it wouldn’t have mattered who he faced.
You know it is only April 16 do we really need to kill our pen. Don’t forget we don’t have our primary set up guy right now.
“Sorry, but when they got 3 straight hits, it was time to take him out. He shouldn’t have waited for the 5th straight hit.”
The reliever wasn’t warmed up. You usually don’t have a reliever ready in the 5th inning with a 7-3 lead.
Don Vito- Very well put!
like a bunch of roaches
Nick in SF
April 16th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
There’s nothing about this half inning that a little more Tavarez can’t fix.
.
Nick, you are new Prince Of Optimism,,,,here,,,wear your crown…..Right ON, friend !!!!!
“Pete, you’re making excuses for your guy which is ok, but Wang just refused to throw anything but his sinker which didn’t sink tonight. If he mixed in his slider/changeup like he did Friday, it wouldn’t have mattered who he faced.”
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that we have a different catcher.
brian no they don’t understand it. They believe every Yankee pitcher shouldn’t give up a run, and every Yankee batter should hit 1.00.
lucky hit
Ugh. Bad karma for the booing of Hawkins?
Right, V, and it’s not like they were long at bats – those hits came on the 2-3 pitches…not enough time to get warmed up
and we don’t “need” this game. don’t be stupid. it’s April 16th. even if we lose we’re only a game under .500. last year we STILL made the playoffs after a much, much more miserable start than this.
The most pathetic thing is how your opinions of Girardi and Wang fluctuate on how the team is doing or how they are performing. You all forget every good thing, every good performance, and sit on the bad ones. It’s absolutely pathetic.
Be a real fan and acknowledge that Chien-Ming Wang is the ace of the staff. I don’t care if Beckett and Santana are better. He is the ace of this staff, hands down. Nobody has had numbers close to him on this team in the last two years and nobody will this year.
He pitched beautifully against the Red Sox at Fenway and basically threw a no-hitter.
All of this negativity is just showing how much of fair-weather fans some of you are.
Tie game.
Don, you are a petty, closed-minded person if you think like that. I feel bad for you. Maybe someday you’ll outgrow your 12 year-old boy mindset. Until then, good luck.
%$#@!%$#@!%$#@!
Great Game!
“The most pathetic thing is how your opinions of Girardi and Wang fluctuate on how the team is doing or how they are performing. You all forget every good thing, every good performance, and sit on the bad ones. It’s absolutely pathetic.
Be a real fan and acknowledge that Chien-Ming Wang is the ace of the staff. I don’t care if Beckett and Santana are better. He is the ace of this staff, hands down. Nobody has had numbers close to him on this team in the last two years and nobody will this year.
He pitched beautifully against the Red Sox at Fenway and basically threw a no-hitter.
All of this negativity is just showing how much of fair-weather fans some of you are.”
:tup:
Totally agreed.
Some of you need to stop f-ing whining. Grow up.
“Westerner99
April 16th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Might Albaladejo see some game action tonight?”
….
now THAT would be a welcome sight !
Just about every redsux player hits the other way and i’m still waiting for GiamBalco to put something between 2nd and 3rd where nobody is standing.
Why is it so bad to get upset at the prospect of losing a game that we had a 4 run lead in? I can’t get frustrated here? Sheesh – ! It’s against rules to complain about the fact that Wang gave up 5 straight hits? and a 4 run lead? I didn’t spout hate, just frustration… when did that become fair-weather fandom?
Just when you think things are changing we get a reminder of how bad our pitching can be.
did you see that pitch
CNNSI curse (from the article earlier today)? Just think about all those fans in Taiwan – he’s their national hero. We can still win this game, it’s just past the half way point.
Sean Casey, not my favorite person, comes of stand-jerkish on TV. can’t believe it, ross shut them down.
Every pitcher throws a crappy game. Geez will you people chill!!
Not a good outing for Wang at all tonight. I’m sure that he will bounce back next time because he’s a great pitcher and is absolutely the ace of this staff. You don’t get 40 wins in 2 years by accident.
They are arguing way yoo much with the umps, somebody needs to get tossed to shut them up
Nice K by Ross
I don’t think it’s so much negativity – I think anyone has the option as a fan to express displeasure as to how their team is playing. It’s worse when fans go holier-than-thou saying they are better than the fans who complain.
I’m rightfully pissed off that the Yanks pitchers Wang and Ohlendorf blew the friggin’ 3 run lead. I feel like kicking the dog and putting the kitten in the microwave.
So there.
we have to get out of this freakin’ inning first.
It’ll be cool; we’ll just annihilate their bullpen and force Papelbon to come out in the 8th
“Why is it so bad to get upset at the prospect of losing a game that we had a 4 run lead in? I can’t get frustrated here? Sheesh – ! It’s against rules to complain about the fact that Wang gave up 5 straight hits? and a 4 run lead? I didn’t spout hate, just frustration… when did that become fair-weather fandom?”
I’m not speaking necessarily about you, but this blog frequently goes from ‘Yeah, great job Jeter’ to ‘Girardi sucks, I can’t believe we signed him. Man, DFA Giambi. Cano sucks, sit him’ on a dime.
It’s ridiculous. There’s being frustrated, and then there’s whining. There’s a distinct difference.
I have faith in our offense tonight.
Geez…just read that Betemit has corneal ulcers. He could be out for a bit.
This would not be a Yanks RedSox game without approaching the 4 hr mark. This game will end around midnight
I’m not a fair weather fan or a bandwagon-er. But this game has been hard to watch.
Westerner – where did you read that? Sounds horrific!
Ohlendorf, an operations research and financial engineering major, received Princeton’s 2006 George Mueller Award, which honors the graduating senior who has most combined high scholarly achievement in the study of engineering with quality performance in intercollegiate athletics. His thesis, highly praised by his advisor, Prof. Rene Carmona, examined the rationale of the baseball draft and the actual value of signing bonuses
“I don’t think it’s so much negativity – I think anyone has the option as a fan to express displeasure as to how their team is playing. It’s worse when fans go holier-than-thou saying they are better than the fans who complain.
I’m rightfully pissed off that the Yanks pitchers Wang and Ohlendorf blew the friggin’ 3 run lead. I feel like kicking the dog and putting the kitten in the microwave.
So there.”
Wow, you really might want to go check into a clinic or something. That’s not healthy.
It’s a baseball game. A BASEBALL GAME.
If your emotions have that much riding on A BASEBALL GAME, you need serious, serious help.
We need strikes…all these balls are not good
get out of this Ohlendorf
and nobody warming up in the bullpen
for god’s sake.
“I’m not a fair weather fan or a bandwagon-er. But this game has been hard to watch.”
Then turn it off.
Ugh, 9-7 Sox.
another lucky bleeder
my kingdom for a bloody groundout.
Rishi…I read it on yankees.com
good lord…not good – just get out of the freaking inning
Westerner99….feel bad for yourself. Just because your don’t share my opinion, that doesn’t make me a closed minded 12 year old. Have fun appreciating the talent of the punks on the other side of the field…I’ll stay true to the pinstripes “little man”.
This is not an easy game to watch when you have a 10 page paper due tomorrow….
Yea we definatly need to move Ohlendorf up in the pecking order….
Do you people not understand. We can’t run the entire pen out there. This is only a game! We have games every day until Monday! You can’t kill your pen.
Papi is up – finally an out cometh.
They were clearly seeing Wang’s sinker well, so why would you bring a similar pitcher out of the pen? They are just killing the sinker, like they always do. This is pretty pathetic.
Wow. 6 runs, after we score 4. It really looks like Boston is the better team right now, even with Ortiz not hitting. Hopefully their bullpen blows it, but this has already gotten way out of hand.
What page you on, Rebecca?
“and nobody warming up in the bullpen”
why should someone be warming up, a dinker, and a lucky hit shouldn’t get Ross hooked, he’s done nothing wrong
lol…I like how Pete minimizes Wang and his bad performances, can’t even say a simple “bad job from Wnag”, but with Hughes its always fair game….
wonder if steven white or mark melancon are options…
Can we just accept that good hitting can beat good pitching? Is it that crazy that maybe Wang throws some good pitches and the hitters put some good swings on the ball?
Why is it so hard to believe that an ace of a staff can have a bad game?
Sabbathia is clearly struggling.
Verlander is doing poorly
Zito is bad this year.
Beckett doesn’t look impressive yet.
Santana has shown weakness.
Wang threw his FIRST POOR GAME OF THE SEASON and everyone is up in arms.
Our offense owns Boston pitching. This game is so far from over. Stop acting emotionally to in-the-moment events and think about the fact that we are coming to the plate 5 more times in this game.
the Yankees will come back on these “fellas”…you’ll see..
Since the word is so popular these days around this blog I’ll ask the question.
Still think Wang is an ace?
memo to yankee scouting: pedroia likes the ball above his waist. this is embarrassing.
I hope Joba’s dad gets well and he gets back soon. Feels like I haven’t seen him pitch in weeks. We need his fire out of the bullpen.
I just came in. Obviously Wang did not have it tonight. Could not hold a 7-3 lead. I hope the Yanks come back to win this.
YEH ROSS !
Girardi is a DREADFULmanager. Wang had NOTHING and he leaves him out there to give up 5 hits in a row?!! What was he waiting for to take him out. Also Olendorf is not someone you bring into an inning with runners on base. He has given up runs every single time they have brought him into these situations.
snack time
morons on ESPN. talking about Girardi being criticized for leaving Wang in too long.. it’s the friggin 5th inning, then they talk about how this is “not just another game”. really, morons on ESPN, how is any one game THAT important on April 16th? The Red Sox were ahead 14.5 games headed into june last year and still only won by 2 games. So is the fact that they could be 2 games ahead April 16th that big of a deal? now they’re talking about how much the yankees will “learn the hard way” with kennedy and hughes in the rotation as if buchholz and lester isnt’ the same thing. i don’t get how every risk the red sox take is a sure thing in favor of them, but every risk the yanks take is a huge mistake.
good job papi
Paul: Uh…two.
But it’s a fun paper to write so I won’t mind staying up till four AM to get it done.
(I know I’m delusional. It’s the only way I’ll survive this week)
pathetic inning
myrtlebeachfan
well said!!
V – you don’t know me nor do you know my caustic wit.
I had to turn the game off – put a paper bag over my head and breathe deeply – had my 6 Mormon wives put me in my Yankee pinstriped strait jacket – and set me in front of a candle so I could gather myself.
The Yankees deserve to lose this game due to their suck-arsed pitching.
I hope, as a Yankee fan, that they come back, but I am rightfully pissed off that they gave up a nice lead and are now in the hole. KMA if you don’t like my attitude.
Let’s get out of this and get some runs
Everyone is entitled to a bad game. Yes, even the aces. It happens every year. Why is everyone freaking out about 1 bad outing?
“We need his fire out of the bullpen.”
what do you mean by this ?
At least Manny will have no one on base when he comes up next, and hopefully we’ll be back in the lead!!
Global: you, sir, are an alarmist instigator.
We knew we were going to get one of these outings from Wang. We can’t expect him to be perfect all the time. He’ll bounce back next time. It’s the bullpen that I’m worried about. There’s a chance that they’ll get burned out before the series is through.
A SS with range would of got to that ball. It wasn’t a hard play.
For those saying it’s not important, think of it this way. We only lost the division by 2 games. What if, last April, Mariano and Co. dont blow the, i believe, 5 run lead, and we take one more of those games? Then we win the division, and face the deadbeat angels in the ALDS.
Yeah, we lost the division by only 2 games. To the team we’re playing now. If you don’t think these games matter, even if it’s April, you’re blind. These games matter. This is the division race, right here.
Can we please not plan on Farnsie tonight…last night was a gift.
He is NOT an ace in any sense of the word. We will hear how he was flying open and not getting his sinker down like we always do when he sucks. An ace does not blow a 5 run lead at home. This pitching staff is in trouble – not an overreaction – just reality.
I say riht now we are a 88-90 win team.
You can predict the posts based on the score. This board never changes. In a way, I miss the games at the beginning of last season when there were just a few of us. But, with Pete refusing to enable registration, he sacrifices quality for quantity.
‘V – you don’t know me nor do you know my caustic wit.
I had to turn the game off – put a paper bag over my head and breathe deeply – had my 6 Mormon wives put me in my Yankee pinstriped strait jacket – and set me in front of a candle so I could gather myself.
The Yankees deserve to lose this game due to their suck-arsed pitching.
I hope, as a Yankee fan, that they come back, but I am rightfully pissed off that they gave up a nice lead and are now in the hole. KMA if you don’t like my attitude.”
Wit? Ha. I’ve seen better.
Some fan. “Deserve to lose”. :snort:
I guess they would have brought Joba in the game in the 5th.
I like Ohlendorf’s stuff, he just needs to work on his command a bit.
3-3 Rangers/Devils game
I don’t think we’re freaking about Wang having a bad outing, it happens. I think what bothers us is, having the other day blown a 7-1 lead, today we blow a 7-4 lead.
Yankee Fan in Boston your overreacting
Now Yanks go down 1,2,3..
Hey Sevrox
Mormons don’t practice polygamy and haven’t since the 1800s. The church excommunicates people who practice it and it has been illegal by law since Utah was admitted as a state into the US.
You probably know this, but it makes me cringe to see ignorance spread.
wang is still an ace, but he was downright awful today. this loss is on him. a 7-3 lead, you shut the door, or at least minimize damage. that was just horrible.
ugly game.
i love how on ESPN they bring up how risky it is having Hughes and Kennedy in the rotation, but they don’t acknowledge the Red Sox having Buchholz who just gave up 7 runs in less than 4 innings.
God forbid the fans get frustrated and angry with their team blowing a 7-3 lead @ home against the RED SOX!!
How could you Yankee fans, shame on you!
Remember when on July 29, 2007, Farnsworth had a falling out with his catcher, Jorge Posada. On a previous pitch, Posada asked for a slider. Instead of throwing a slider, Farnsworth threw a blazing fastball that struck Posada on the wrist. When Posada approached the mound to ask why he threw the fastball, Farnsworth turned away. The two began arguing, causing third baseman Alex Rodriguez to come in and break it up. Manager Joe Torre then pulled Farnsworth, and was forced to bring in closer Mariano Rivera to come into the game in a non-save opportunity
This ump needs to borrow my glasses.
Mike Housman: Does every single ace manage to hold a lead, regardless of how big, every single time? No. It doesn’t matter what the venue is, either. Bad games happen. Even the best pitchers have their off days.
Matsui is swinging well.
If Jorge is back tomorrow, Moeller down and Patterson up?
nice hit by godzilla. he’s been locked in since day 1.
OK I’m outta here I need a change of scenery… I’m a little superstitious.
I’ll be at the bar calming my nerves.
looks like wangs arm angle was low all game.
Brian why should they? They are a shill for the soxs.
“He is NOT an ace in any sense of the word. We will hear how he was flying open and not getting his sinker down like we always do when he sucks. An ace does not blow a 5 run lead at home. This pitching staff is in trouble – not an overreaction – just reality.”
4 run lead.
http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2006/B04150MIN2006.htm
You’re right. Aces don’t give up leads at home.
pat hope so. Or maybe they bring Shelley.
With super-ace Beckett going tomorrow, that’s 4 in a row over the Yanks. We need a miracle tonight. Come on God!
safe at home!!!
good job Meech !
hell yeah Matsui!! nice slide to avoid the tag.
But I think they need another arm, so you could be right.
A triple for Posada, or takes third on the throw?
9-8 Sox on the Posada double
If you want to know how odd this game is, Posada has a bleepin’ triple
Godzilla is on top of his game. Wow. He wants to show the world he still has it. Hell yeah!!
Get Matsui home.
Rangers now lead 4-3
It was a double.
okay jason, you just need a sac fly to tie it. or even a slow grounder to the right side.
OK, you know what? Let’s just call this game what it is: Out of control. It’s going to be 23-19 before it’s over, and I’m not sure what side will have what score.
Good god, it’s a football game tonight.
More importantly…Rangers up 4-3 on the Devils.
Nice Jorge
Will you be contributing to the game Jason?
He took third on the throw. Double.
Sure. Blame it on the ump. Whatever gets you through the night…
Jason has contributed thus far by getting a hit and scoring a run.
I hate the Rangers.
But I think by now you know this.
Only 5 outs away from Iwojima and Pimplebutt.
Wang is not an ace for many reasons. But one of the main reasons is and even Guidry said it last season when someone asked him why Wang was awful in the playoffs is that he does not know how to make adjustments during a game. He said he is young and eventually will figure out how to. Wang just kept throwing the same pitch in that inning and didn’t throw his 2 seamer..he didn’t change a thing.
Lets go Robbie!!
Come on Robbie!!! We need some of that magic from the TB game to carry over. This is huge.
Great slide by Matsui. He’s having a nice game, wonder if his wife is watching him in the stands?
i’d rather giambi would have put a ball in play so there was no double play in order.
Rebecca: I LOVE the Rangers.
The Devils can eat it.
odds:
Sac Fly
Hit:
DP:
base hit!
I hate Flaherty so much I decided to make myself a petition, REMOVE HIM.
http://www.gopetition.com/online/18546.html
Have to say when wang has an off day, he really really has an off day. He gets like like the White House Christmas tree.
Tie game again!
ROBINSON CA-YES!
Hip Hip.
“A ribbie for Robbie!” – John Sterling
yeh Robi, jesus learn patience at the plate
… but that’ll work. nice job cano!
What’d I say about Tavares??? He is a wild man who should have been casted as the real villain in No Country for Old Men.
Cano! Doncha know!!!
A ribby for Robby!
Maybe that pinch hit HR has awaken Cano’s bat.
“Lowrie was very impressive last night, accounting for their first 3 rbi’s.”
it wasnt that impressive. he had a routine groundout for the first RBI. his hit was a weakly hit grounder that just made it through the infield (somehow) and with 2 outs the runners were going and two scored. he looked overmatched in the AB and I was surprised he even made contact.
he may end up being good, but last night was a fluke.
I’d like to draw attention to Nick in SF’s post around 9.09 PM.
I’ve been watching but just logged on here… What a wild game, huh?
GIDP by Moeller? at least it’s tied.
Robbie!! Robbie!! Robbie!
just 1 more single and we have the lead back.
Brian, I’m guessing you’re just bitter about 2000
anyone want to take a guess on how long this game actually will last?
“Wang is not an ace for many reasons. But one of the main reasons is and even Guidry said it last season when someone asked him why Wang was awful in the playoffs is that he does not know how to make adjustments during a game. He said he is young and eventually will figure out how to. Wang just kept throwing the same pitch in that inning and didn’t throw his 2 seamer..he didn’t change a thing.”
Um? Are you watching the game? He walked the bases loaded at one point… then settled down. Amazing.
I REALLY have to blame some of the pitch calling on Moeller – Wang is not a forceful pitcher, and usually goes with what the catcher calls. He’ll be fine with Posada or Molina next time out.
Rangers WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Empty net goal…5-3
just one of those games lol
your recall in data research must be beneficial in your paper writing skills, Rebecca!
Rebecca: I bet you’re just jealous of right now! 5-3 Rangers Scott Gomez hits the empty net.
Moeller is not this good of a hitter what the hell did Long tell him in Tampa
Nick in SF
April 16th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
There’s nothing about this half inning that a little more Tavarez can’t fix.
dude – rob – you had me thinking i missed someething!
And the board returns to semi-positivity.
GOMEZ RANGERS WIN !!!!
get all of them home
remy wants tavarez out of there now. let’s how well he knows his guy. francona may regret this one.
…Sweet!
Hank Steinbrenner, a co-chairperson of the Yankees, said he spoke with Chamberlain on Wednesday.
“Asked everything about his dad. Is he happy with the treatment he’s getting. Told him, ‘Just take his time,”‘ Steinbrenner said in Tampa, Fla.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spharlan0417,0,2967827.story
I was wondering if they would fly him a hospital in NY, maybe he’d get better care in a hospital here.
Lugo Lugo Lugo
E-6
Nice defense Boston! Can we hold this lead?!
I’ll forgive the head first slide but only this time.
that was all because of moellers slide. great baserunning.
Well, this really shows Wanger is not an ace yet. However, if he is not, there is no ace for Yanks, of course.
Posada is very good in defense, Molina is in good command of batter stat knowledge. And Wanger is too shy that he has to let the catcher decide most of the stuff. When a new catch in place, Wanger lost the edge he could have got from either Posada or Molina. Upside is he could have experience to command his own, down side is it usually won’t turn out good looking when you try something at first.
Wang will be an ace when he developed and have some leaderships there.
Bless him.
really went wide on that slide.
WTF is w/ the diving Melky !!!
WTF Lugo
Moeller good takeout slide
Melky, why the head first slide?? Why??
YAY Rangers! 5-3 win!
Sorry Rebecca
Thank you Lugo!! Nice hard running by Moeller
Why the hell is Melky STILL sliding into firstbase?
11-9 Yanks! Great play there by Lugo!
Lugo- 6 errors in 2 weeks…:)
I can’t wait for Pete’s pro-Wang post after the game…
GIDP by Melky?
I see it’s our good friend Tavarez getting to work. Base loaded 1 out. Let’s see if they score some for the lead.
Kinda said to see Wang’s ERA literally TRIPLE
Lets go jeter
now remy on nesn is crying about moeller being too far from second base on the take out at second. actually he may have a point ,but very nice by moeller.
my god. does either team even want to win this game?
what a lovely 5 minutes. the Rangers won 5-3 to take a 3-1 lead in round 1 of the playoffs over New Jersey, and now the Yankees have the lead back
Brian: Nah, I still have 1995, 2000 and 2003 to keep me happy.
Lucky no interference call. Not even close to the bag.
I’m stuck listening to the Boston feed and these announcers are horrible..they make Joe Morgan and John Miller sound good.
ey- wow one bad game and it tripled.
single please.
jeter was really close
Maybe they didn’t call it cause they had no chance at the dp?
Rebecca: Yeah, well. I have 1994. so yeah. take that.
Also watched it again, Freddy wasn’t even looking for the throw even though he was standing on first.
Still better than Verlander’s 6.5!
Wang will still be 3-0. Of course he’s the Ace!
But seriously, yes, he’s the Ace.
kasey – my guess would be no.
but we have a better bullpen so HOPEFULLY, we’ll get some outs.
I hope Jeter is flying Joba back on his private jet right now.
This is a GREAT ****ing game. Classic Yankees-Red Sox matchup. Incredibly long (almost three hours now, and we’ve only played five innings), lots of lead changes, neither team giving up.
I started drinking after the Red Sox went up 9-7 out of despair. Now I’m just pumped up and taking shots, LOL.
whatever happens the rest of the way, Moeller deserves a post-season share
Brian: Sure. Without 1994 I wouldn’t even know what hockey is…
I wish they had scored more. I bet sux go ahead this inning. Manny with a homerun. No Joba, maybe Mo for two?
Hey, I’m Giuseppe Franco
Girardi get Olendorf out of this game!!! He already gave up enough runs in the last inning.
Westerner99….do ya think the Boston fans are now thinking ” boy those Yankees did a splendid job of erasing our lead. We tip our caps to them….they are a fine bunch of talented fellows” ???? Not a chance …in the real world ( you can join us here, if ya like )…they are all like….THOSE FRICKIN’ YANKEES…I HATE THEM……..
Strikes Ohlendorf
Strikes please
….Ross. lead off walks = bad.
oy. need to throw strikes now. i’m talking to you Yankees bullpen.
Man, that last pitch was definitely a strike. One other borderline in the at bat.
Here’s Hawkins. Yankee fans better not boo him.
hey – walking manny is better than a home run at this point…just get the rest of them
If the Yanks can donut the Sox this half inning, I’d do back flips – as Ohlendorf walks Manny on 4 pitches as I type this… ugh.
It couldn’t be any other way. Walk the leadoff guy on 4 pitches after your team gets the lead back. Tonight mandated that happened.
LaTroy coming in – can you tell me the reaction?
you can’t use Mo for two when he’s just pitched two nights in a row.
Can somebody please throw some damn strikes. This is ridiculous.
Mo has pitched 2 days in a row. No way he goes for 2 innings.
Well I just got home from work and turned on the TV……..WHAT THE HELL?
going to bed — can’t watch this circus anymore. I’ll get the highlights on ESPN tomorrow morn. Go Yanks!! Throw some strikes!!
Kay said Jeter told him why pick a number that people will go against you.Jeter who is a capatain and O”Neil who is said to be a nice guy could tell the New York Fans to not boo LaTroy.Clemente wasc a once in a lifetime player unlike Jeter and O’Neil.
I hoping now they never retire O”neil number.
A solo home run when you have the lead can actually be a better thing than a walk. A walk puts the pitcher in the stretch, the runner can steal causing an error on the throw. There’s definitely situations where a solo home run is better than a walk, tbh. Is this one of them, I dunno.
Good point. Guieseppe Franco is the real Ace. And he doesn’t even known anything about it.
Wow, that under-3-hour game Friday night was like a gift, this one is going to 4 hours, huh?
greetings kasey. don’t worry the yankees have it all under control. they just walked manny intentionally with no one on base. girardi is using some new strategies to confuse those bill jamesian red sox who like predictable baseball.
let’s see how the new number works. go 22.
Rebecca: do you know who the winner of the Rangers-Devils series will play? Or does it depend on who wins in whatever series? i’ve always been confused by the NHL playoffs.
Pete, what was the reception for Hawkins?
Susan Waldman is sounding off about LaTroy’s # change
Ok so he walks him on 4 pitches and then you take him out..What was the point of that? Girardi is scaring me as a manager.
Don, it is small-minded not to appreciate talent because of their employer. Your polarized view of this rivalry is unappealing. I could care less what the average Boston fan thinks. I think Ortiz is a heck of a player. I think Buchholz’s character may be lacking, but he has solid potential in his right arm. And I feel for Lester and what he’s been through (as did Torre, Jeter, Posada, Cashman, and Rivera). And I think Ted Williams was one of the best hitters who ever lived.
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU………
V: go soak your head. When our #1 (ace or not) has a start like this, some “real” fans don’t enjoy it. That’s not whining. They may go on to win the game, and I hope they do. But if this blog can only contain posts that say “we’ll get’em next time” when the pitchers give up six runs in a single inning, it’s going to get old very quickly. I think we’re allowed to observe when things are not going well without being told to turn the game off. Thus, go soak your head.
Brian: sorry, no idea, but guess would be pittsburgh-ottawa
ohh right off yukaliss’s toe…that’s tooo bad
Ouch! Hope Youkilis is okay. That hit so hard off his foot the ball grounded all the way to A-Rod.
Youkilis is such a drama queen.
Alvin:
Both pitchers sucked, both offenses rocked. A crazy see-saw grind it out battle.
be cool if they could pick manny off first
Let’s see if the new #22 helps Letroy Hawkins.
Let’s go Hawkins !!!
Looks like #22 is workin. Youkilis down swingin!
You can do this Hawkins!
Come on Hawkins you can get Nancy out!! Can the Yanks fly Joba in just to pitch the 8th inning and then he can go back?!!
if hawkins can go in the 7th, great. albaladejo in the 8th. mo in the 9th if needed.
dude….my mind is not small just because I don’t think like you….you go ahead and keep appreciating the Boston talent…..I have much dislike ( baseball dislike ) for them and always will…
oh and people raggin’ on why Girardi stayed w/ Ohlendorfh
he got up there w/ the basesloaded
1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 K’s
one bad note is he walked 2 batters
he threw 32 pitches and got 16 over for strikes
so calm the hell down.
Clemente and Mariano-Professinal once in a life time players.
Jeter and Paul O’Neil-Good but not great players.
“V: go soak your head. When our #1 (ace or not) has a start like this, some “real†fans don’t enjoy it. That’s not whining. They may go on to win the game, and I hope they do. But if this blog can only contain posts that say “we’ll get’em next time†when the pitchers give up six runs in a single inning, it’s going to get old very quickly. I think we’re allowed to observe when things are not going well without being told to turn the game off. Thus, go soak your head.”
Right back atcha.
Why dont the Yanks just throw the ball under hand..This is pathetic..
Please LaTroy, just put up a zero. Once in your life, please.
Man, I thought LaTroy was in charge in that at bat. Good hit.
Don, it has nothing to do with thinking like me…it has to do with narrowing your focus to the point of exclusion due to bias. As you mature, you’ll learn. Don’t worry.
These red sox hitters are doing something VERY well. When the pitcher needs to throw a strike, they’re connecting on that pitch. We aren’t putting any of them away, that’s for sure.
Youklis struck out, but he worked a really long at bat there. Then Drew hits on a 3-2 pitch. They’re putting good wood on the ball, and we aren’t getting any defenders to it.
Who would’ve imagined there’d be a game Wang pitched with no double plays? Amazing.
Hawkins has put up a couple of zeroes this year for the Yanks.
Varitek K’s.
Enrique Palaso ! Enrique Palaso ! Enrique Palaso !
“Why dont the Yanks just throw the ball under hand..This is pathetic..”
WAAAAAAAAAAAH!
this is gonna take forever
“oh and people raggin’ on why Girardi stayed w/ Ohlendorfh
he got up there w/ the basesloaded
1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 K’s
one bad note is he walked 2 batters
he threw 32 pitches and got 16 over for strikes
so calm the hell down.”
Ohlendor allowed every single runner to score. And that’s not the first time he does that. When he came after Phil he did the same thing. I’m not saying he isn’t ok as a reliever, but he’s just not that good. He allows runs to score, lots of them.
Hawkins fastball has some nice movement tonight, very nice hes impressive…ish
Hopefully the bullpen can hold the lead. We will need some more insurance runs. This shows why we need JOBA in the pen!!! Hank Steinbrenner needs to get that in his brain already…
Kevin
I think both sides have been squeeze by the ump tonight, that force the pitcher have to throw it in the middle of the plate. there’s your sluggfest!
Hopefully during Varitek’s next at bat – the ump will take even longer to call him out and watch Varitek go postal.
Hawkins gets out of it
Great job by #22!!!
Hawkins with the pitching performance of the night. Scripted.
La-Troy Hawk-Ins.
La-Troy Hawk-Ins.
La-Troy Hawk-Ins.
Good job man.
way to go Hawkins!!
I couldn’t tell, were there any boos? any chanting?
2 nice catches there by Matsui
For a mop-up/long man, Ohlendorf is extremely good compared to what the rest of the league has in their bullpen in that role.
Hm…I have a feeling that there is not going to be much offense tomorrow based on tonight. This is going to be a super-long game.
“I think both sides have been squeeze by the ump tonight, that force the pitcher have to throw it in the middle of the plate. there’s your sluggfest!”
I don’t know, the strike zone looks Ok to me. The pitching on the other hand…
24 pitches, 16 strikes and 2K’s for E21
“Hopefully the bullpen can hold the lead. We will need some more insurance runs. This shows why we need JOBA in the pen!!! Hank Steinbrenner needs to get that in his brain already…
Kevin”
You’re right. Boston’s got bullpen problems – they should put Beckett in the bullpen. The Mets are desparate – Santana would be an awesome 8th inning guy.
Starter >>>>> Reliever. Period.
“Clemente and Mariano-Professinal once in a life time players.
Jeter and Paul O’Neil-Good but not great players.”
Are you KIDDING? Jeter is not a great player? The guy should have two MVPs and is always in the batting title race. He’s probably the most clutch hitter in the game today, maybe even all time, and he makes ridiculously good defensive plays in key situations.
He could, and should, have 4,000 hits or more when he’s done.
What planet are you from where he is not a great player?
I nominate Youk for an Oscar!
Try this one on for size, I am a RABID YANKEES FAN….I totally am loyal to my team and since Boston is a team that is considered our most hated rival….I don’t like them, I don’t appreciate them….they are the enemy… You may think that is not mature and I value your opinion as much as I appreciate the smallest BoSux accomplishments.
hallelujah!
an inning without giving up runs after taking the lead.
5-6 more runs and the yankees might just win this one.
Who is this guy #22? He looks like Hawkins (not Andy)..throwing motion like Hawkins, but he’s getting guys out…maybe we should keep this guy around..
Wang had an off night – it happens. He just had no command. His ball has so much movement to it and occasionally his mechanics get off and it becomes too much movement.
Before people start jumping all over Ohlendor think about what Girardi is asking him to do.
Ohelendorf is a one inning power reliever. That’s how he was developed once he moved to the pen in the minors last year.
Now Girardi is asking Ohlendorf to be the long man in the pen.
They could have stretched Ohlendorf out in spring training to assume the long man role – but they decided not as I guess they assumed it would be Rasner or Karstens until the end. They didn’t make a contingency plan for what they’d do if both didn’t pitch well.
So after the season has started they are now all of a sudden asking Ohlendorf to do something he’s not physically prepared to do – be the long man reliever.
Ohlendorf threw 3 full innings on Sunday – he threw 50 pitches that day. 50 pitches is an ENORMOUS workload for a relief pitcher.
Especially one who hasn’t been stretched out and is a rookie.
Ohlendorf has thrown more innings than any other Yankee reliever.
Now only 2 days of rest later Girardi asked Ohelndorf to throw multiple innings yet again. He could have given Albaladejo a shot – he’s very well rested. But he didn’t.
50 pitches/ 3 innings and then only 2 days rest.
It’s no surprise that Ohelndorf lost his command as his pitch count increased this appearance.
2 days of rest after a 50 pitch 3 inning appearance is not enough, especially when you have not been stretched out.
Until Ohlendorf goes back to his one inning role we are not going to know how he can help the team. He has outstanding stuff.
He lost his command because he’s been forced to throw too many innings in too short a time.
“He’s probably the most clutch hitter in the game today, maybe even all time, and he makes ridiculously good defensive plays in key situations.”
uhhhh you been w/ us the last 2 yrs. ?
“Try this one on for size, I am a RABID YANKEES FAN….I totally am loyal to my team and since Boston is a team that is considered our most hated rival….I don’t like them, I don’t appreciate them….they are the enemy… You may think that is not mature and I value your opinion as much as I appreciate the smallest BoSux accomplishments.”
And you look like a child. Congrats. :snort:
Wow it didn’t look like Manny was going to get to that
Now, how did that happened? Freaking Manny, i really hate him.
That was great approach by Bobby, nice going the other way.
V- Peope underestimate how important a bullpen is. Other than Joba and Mariano…there is knowbody you can really trust. Did you think the Red Sox should’ve made Papelbon a starter? I don’t think so….
You can have a great outing by your ace..and your bullpen can lose the game for you. Relief pitching is so important nowadays as pitchers don’t go deep into games.
Joba should become the closer of this team after Mo is done. PERIOD.
Future bullpen:
Sanchez
Ohlendorf
Cox
Melancon
Chamberlain
It’s a good thing Hawkins got out of that inning, or Mike Fischlin might have asked him to give up #22.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=fischmi01
Reporting from section 290. 300 pound shirtless guy started throwing people over the railing behind us in the wheelchair section. None of them was in wheelchair. Bunch of men and women started punching each other around him. Lots of flesh and some butt cracks flapping around. Cops hauled off a dozen people.
LaTroy was getting major cheers after that outing. I hope the whole 21 nonsense is behind him.
Arod gets plunked.
Ok, Manny gets drilled at least once between today and tomorrow.
A-Rod takes one near the digits. Ouch.
sonofabi…
Ouch that looks like it hurt. That came in way inside!!! Purpose pitch?
Oh man, 3-1 pitch, looks suspicious. Wonder what Girardi is gonna do now.
Nice pitch there buddy. Boston figures if I am going to walk him i might as well hit him.
a rod steal
“Joba should become the closer of this team after Mo is done. PERIOD.”
I love it when when the uneducated add extra punctuation to baseless statements. Really expounds on their ignorance.
Another good find by sux in Aardsma. 2 outs away from Iwojima.
Dee wow, what is wrong with people. was he a sox or Yankee fan, or could you not tell.
This game just got dangerous. Who do you think will take the bullet for the Red Sox?
I think they’ll hit Ramirez. Maybe not tonight, but it will happen. Someone’s going to get hit.
I think there was intent. 3-1, you’re not going to give him something to hit. Why not hit him?
You can have a great outing by your ace..and your bullpen can lose the game for you. Relief pitching is so important nowadays as pitchers don’t go deep into games.
Yea but if ur starter gets crushed u wouldnt need ur closer
Did anyone notice Sabathia’s pitching line from tonight:
IP H R ER BB K HR Season ERA
C.C. Sabathia 4.0 8 9 9 5 1 2 13.50
I wish YES would stop giving us the camera shot from behind the plate. You can’t see the pitch, and you can’t see where the ball goes if it’s hit, all you can see in the back of the umpire.
yup…Manny gets his…how many times did A-Rod get thrown at in that AB ?….Payback time… BEANEATERS !
You almost convinced me with the all-caps “PERIOD”, zellyanks91, I think your argument is lacking some boldface, though.
Seriously, why isn’t John Smoltz still closing for the Braves?
“V- Peope underestimate how important a bullpen is. Other than Joba and Mariano…there is knowbody you can really trust. Did you think the Red Sox should’ve made Papelbon a starter? I don’t think so….
You can have a great outing by your ace..and your bullpen can lose the game for you. Relief pitching is so important nowadays as pitchers don’t go deep into games.
Joba should become the closer of this team after Mo is done. PERIOD.
Future bullpen:
Sanchez
Ohlendorf
Cox
Melancon
Chamberlain”
No, because Papelbon only has two pitches and a history of shoulder trouble.
Joba has four pitches, three that are plus pitches. He would be -wasted- in the bullpen. A reliever sees 1, maybe 2 innings in a game. Great. If the game doesn’t get to him, he has no impact, whatsoever. A starter throwing 200 innings is going to have a more positive impact than a reliever throwing 70. Period.
Unless you’re the type to put no stock whatsoever into VORP, WARP, or Win Expectancy Added, a solid #3 starter is worth more than an ace closer.
I don’t think it was on purpose. If you’re going to hit someone on purpose, you’re not going to wait until the count is 3-1. Unless he intentionally planned on plunking him because he was going to walk anyway.
Did anyone see the Devils Rangers game tonight? I thought by not watching the Yanks Red Sox I wouldnt have to see the refs/umps try to hand the game to the other team but boy was I wrong. The refs proved to be the tougher of the two teams tonight.
How can that only be the end of the 6th inning! This is worse than sunday night in boston!
You know they always seem to start * when we aren’t in the position to strike back. Hopefully Alex will be okay, cause h looked in pain and looked ticked!!
Westerner99….you are so above us all…why don’t you go away ?? Go to the library….research some fine Boston Red Sux players and just bask in the glory of all of their championship years…. Appreciate their talent and come back with some more big words for us, like that really tricky “obtuse” one you used earlier, “little man” !!!
8 outs to go
agreed Clare. It’s a terrible camera shot.
If Hughes & Kennedy are going to be what is expected of them..we will be fine. The bullpen has become more important in the past few years. You think Joba is going to be pitching 8 innings a game? They will be babying him anyway. The best pitcher in baseball doesn’t even go past the 7th inning anymore. Last year..Santana went past the 7th inning 5 times.
Kevin
hawkins would get all the cheers in the world if he gets ellsbury out and then plunks the midget
need 7
Actually, it looks like ace reliever > solid #3 starter. Solid #2 starter > ace reliever, according to last year’s VORP stats.
Rafael Betancourt was the 35th most valuable pitcher last year (#1 reliever). Heath Bell was next at 37th most valuable. Rich Hill was just a bit more valuable than Betancourt. Gorzelanny and Jeff Francis also up there. Gil Meche was #23.
I think Joba can be better than Gil Meche.
Nice innings by Latroy!
There better be some cheers for Hawkins now. Great inning.
Hawkins ROCKS ! ( did ya hear that, trish ? )….
We are gonna need good Moose tomorrow…
Don – I’m sorry you feel that I am above you. Perhaps you need to visit a doctor or therapist to get over your feelings of inadequacy or ineptitude. Clearly your use of name calling “little man” is a means of projecting your own inadequacies and displaying your own insecurities. I truly hope you get the help you need.
Hawkins!! Nice job!
Very impressive work by Hawkins. Let’s see the fans boo him now!
Hawkins with the pitching performance of his life!! =]
Don Vito A. Bellamo, grow up. I knew people more mature than you in elementary school.
i don’t know what the exact stat is, but the red sox have hit our batters a lot more then we’ve hit theirs over the past few years.
at some point there needs to be retaliation. that’s why i love joba. he’s the type of guy who protects his hitters and will fire back at the opposing team.
great inning by Hawkins
WELL DONE HAWKINS!
So who’s in for 8th????
NO FARNSY PLEASE.
I miss Joba
Seems like all the big offenses are breaking out their bats tonight. Blosux, Yanks, and Detroit…
Sabathia got shelled again. That’s 3 bad starts in a row.
YanksAngel,
I think the production guys are getting punchy and are trying to be too creative, because we’re seeing it more as the game goes on.
Great job by Hawkins!
Hawkins ERA drop watch:
currently drop 67 points to 7.00 ERA
btw 32 pitches 21 strkes in 2 IP and 2 K’s, more importantly GO/FO 2:2
Yes, if Joba becomes a frontline starter, which he has the potential to become, he will go 8 innings some games, less others. Like starters do. Is a game in which you need Joba to pitch the 8th inning more valuable than a game in which he might dominate for the first 7? Ok, the pen might lose that game in which he goes 7, but he might not get into the game in which the starting pitcher gets shelled. Joba didn’t pitch an inning in Boston, but I guess he was still intimidating from the pen.
just let me know how you would feel if we didn’t have Mariano Rivera for the last 12 years. The Yankees have been blessed with this guy. Joba seems to be the second coming. Tell me…who will be the closer after Mariano leaves? How do you think Indians fans feel with Borowski?
Kevin
is this a potential 3+ outs for Rivera tonight? He’s pitched 1.1 on monday and an inning yesterday. This could be and interesting last two innings. A couple of more runs would be nice.
Bruney and Traber in the pen
Kevin, your logic is flawed. I suggest you go to baseball america or baseball prospectus or many other sites than can explain why a solid starter is better than a closer or set-up man.
I think we’re going to get Billy or Bruney
Who is pitching the 8th??! Bruney I am assuming..
We need to try to avoid Mo tonight. I’m not sure that I like him pitching 3 days in a row.
Nah, Traber gets a welcoming to the rivalry by facing Ortiz.
Two offenses exploded tonight for a reason… they faced two pitchers who looked terrible. Nothing more.
it might be Traber for Ortiz then Bruney for manny and youkolis.
Although Moeller catching Wang didn’t work out today, Moeller’s a monster in this game. 3-3 wow.
Was is it with that BUC position that makes a guy hit like crazy
I sware, that back-up catcher position brings out the best in hitters.
If Mo was unavailable and with Joba out of town…I wonder which reliever Joe G would go to in the ninth in a one-run game.
Joba and Mo might be an apt comparison, but we don’t know yet. Rivera was a washout as a starter and we found out that he was a Hall of Fame releiver. We don’t know yet how Joba can perform as a starer in the majors.
I wonder how Roger Clemens or Randy Johnson or Bob Gibson or Tom Seaver or Nolan Ryan or 38 Stitches might have performed coming out of the bullpen. Pretty good, maybe.
Has anyone else been impressed with Moeller so far since being called up? He now has 3 hits tonight and a walk. He also drove in a run with the double. It seems like he always has good at bats and makes the pitcher throw a lot of pitches.
Westerner99- I don’t want to start an argument on this..I am just stating how I feel. Joba was great in the minors, and I am not arguing that. I followed him through the system and he looked great as a starter, BUT he has been so good in the spot the Yanks put him in. He has been virtually unhittable. I just say if things are going good..you don’t change them.
I respect your opinion, but I am entitled to my own.
Kevin
“just let me know how you would feel if we didn’t have Mariano Rivera for the last 12 years. The Yankees have been blessed with this guy. Joba seems to be the second coming. Tell me…who will be the closer after Mariano leaves? How do you think Indians fans feel with Borowski?”
probably the most untrue post I read here. In baseball you don’t limit an ACE pitcher to the bullpen, just financially look at it this way a CL or SU is easier to get than a ACE. CC this offseason will cost around 21 million why pay that when you have a 1 million dollar option to be the ACE in Joba.
Plus just look at the Fenway series for an example. How many games did Joba effect there ? none, because the Red Sox made him a non factor in that series.
Considering he is the 3rd string catcher, Moeller doing a nice job.
Who is this Moeller guy? 3 for 3 with a walk? Good lord, we have been kissed by the backup catcher Gods this year, thats for sure.
Over/under on a hammy pull?
CB, in response to your post on Ohly:
I don’t understand why Joe didn’t go to Abaladejo. I’m not thrilled at all with his use of the pen lately and he’s going to absolutely kill Russ. At this point, maybe we need to make use of the Scranton shuttle since a long-man is apparently out; maybe send Russ down and bring Patterson up, then keep working that shuttle. Right now, the starting pitching is killing us.
“just let me know how you would feel if we didn’t have Mariano Rivera for the last 12 years. The Yankees have been blessed with this guy. Joba seems to be the second coming. Tell me…who will be the closer after Mariano leaves? How do you think Indians fans feel with Borowski?
Kevin”
You aren’t making a logical argument. You’re appealing to emotion with no logical construction.
Every logical and predictive measure of worth of major league pitchers shows a solid starter to be > a solid reliever.
Mariano failed as a starter. The cutter is dominant in the 9th, not for 6+ innings.
Ask yourself – why is Smoltz a starter? He was one of the BEST closers in the game. Amazingly dominant. They haven’t had a touch of that dominance since he’s gone back to starting.
The difference between Mariano Rivera and Joe Borowski in 2007 was much less than the difference between, say, Andy Pettitte and Kei Igawa.
Good job by Hawkins!
Moeller’s 3-3 now; best emergency catcher I’ve seen now 0.o
oh he was SAFE !
I don’t know if this was already brought up, but is that Arlis Michaels (Robert Wuhl) sitting in the front row?
Well that was another great call…
damit Melky was safe!! Ump in a bad position again. But what else is new.
Melky was safe. Bad call.
Meanwhile, Minnesota started playing an hour after us and they’re further in the game.
BAAAD CALL!! Freaking umps.
Bad call – Melky was safe.
Bad bounce and Melky is nailed at second.
SAFE!!!
melky’s hand was in way before the tag but whatever.
He was safe. More runs there would have been nice, maybe could have given Mo the night off
of course as i was hitting the submit button, Melky was getting razy on the bases…
Alright, bullpen let’s do this…
Traber against Ortiz. Bruney against Manny and Pukellis. If things get ugly, Mo can still come in for 4 outs (hopefully no more than that)
Kevin, I understand. It is a common thing for fans to do. It is why fans don’t run the team.
That was bad
Lets hope we don’t get the Bruney with the straight fastball.
This inning is the ball game
Good job by Traber. Got Ortiz on the first pitch.
Of course Remy thinks it was a great play by Drew and Lugo even though the replay on NESN shows that Melky was definitely safe.
NOO NOT BRUNEY
that was quick
Wow, a LOOGIE who actually gets left-handers out! How refreshing!
big sloppy out on 1 pitch.
Hey, a lefty reliever who can get Ortiz out, who would have thought?
Time for Bruney.
Nice Billy Traber!
I like that, he came right at Ortiz.
Posada & Molina better watch out. They may by Wally Pipped.
6 more outs, please.
We got us a LOOGY out!
Very good. Just as planned so far. Come on…Bruney!
come on bruney, hit manny. blame it on the control
“Westerner99- I don’t want to start an argument on this..I am just stating how I feel. Joba was great in the minors, and I am not arguing that. I followed him through the system and he looked great as a starter, BUT he has been so good in the spot the Yanks put him in. He has been virtually unhittable. I just say if things are going good..you don’t change them.
I respect your opinion, but I am entitled to my own.
Kevin”
Unfortunately, some loud voices in the media share your opinion, despite it being illogical.
This is where we really miss Joba. AH well, it’ll be a preview of what’ll happen when Joba becomes a starter.
*shudders* Brian Bruney…they should make him WALK manny.
“Tell me…who will be the closer after Mariano leaves? ”
The yankees have many, many potential closers who could take over in three years when Mariano’s contract is up.
Three years is a long, long time. Bu there are some very good candidates – they will get a closer from one of the following and that closer will be very, very good:
Andrew Brackman
Humberto Sanchez
Mark Melancon
Ross Ohlendorf
Dellin Betances
Christian Garcia
JB Cox
Kevin Whelan
Alan Horne
That’s 9 potential candidates they have in their system right now.
There are actually a number of others as well who are further away.
From those 9 pitchers I have very little doubt that not only will they find a top notch closer but they will find several excellent set up men.
From those names however, none can do what Joba can do – none of them have the well balanced 4 pitch arsenal with plus command like he does.
Brackman and Betances could approach that level but there is also a good chance that they fail as starters and become better suited to close.
One of the reason why Joba must be a starter is because they have other very talented power arms who are likely to fail as starters because of health, stamina, or lack of a third pitch.
ok. Bruney – you can do this – 2 outs and no runs…let’s go…
“”Pedro
April 16th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Hey, a lefty reliever who can get Ortiz out, who would have thought?”"
whose name is not Mike Myers
Joe-
You get the same feed? I hesard him say the same thing. Remy was almost tolerable, but the past couple of years he has gone homer big time.
I know it won’t last long but I enjoy watching Ortiz struggling. Instead of seeing him kill the Yanks every single at bat it is nice to see him look lost and walking back to the dugout upset, since it doesn’t happen often.
Traber must have plans tonight. He wanted out of there fast.
Good Lord Pete, they were booing him for wearing the number. No one was wishing him bad luck, they were just showing they didn’t want him to wear it. Is it so hard for you to understand? Everyone wants Hawkins to do well because he’s crucial for the team.
Do I think it was wrong for them to boo? Absolutely. But unlike you I understand they were booing him solely for wearing the number.
We can all agree that we love the Yanks. haha. If they make him a starter..so be it. I wish him the best of luck there. It’s only been a few days since Joba left us..and fans are scared on who is coming out of the bullpen everyday. I feel Joba can be that bridge that brought us success in the dynasty years.
Nelson, Wetteland, Rivera, Lloyd, Mendoza..
Kevin
Putting Bruney in here was a good idea. I’d let Albaladejo go for a batter next inning and go batter by batter depending on how he does. If he gives up a hit or walk, you send out Mo. If he gets 3 outs, good. Game is over.
97 from Bruney? Whhheeeww
zelly,
if you feel that Joba wouldnt be better than a slightly above average #3, then you are correct that he should stay in his current role.
it comes down to how effective you think he’d be as a starting pitcher. if he would be an effective #2, then the most value he can add is as a starter.
ahhhhg jeter shoulda had that
Damnit – that was a good at bat for Bruney, and he gets beat.
Arrrggghhhhhhhh Bruney!
would have just plunked him
Manny clearly hates being pitched inside. We need to do it more often. only bad thing he wears a baggy jersey so he could get on with a bogus hbp.
Manny gets a cheapy single. Jete almost had it.
Behave Bruney.
Don’t make my blood pressure go up anymore
If only we could get Ramirez out. This is ridiculous. He’s hitting what, .800 against us?
Manny Ramirez is TERRIFYING.
manny is just a very good hitter. you would have though bruney had him set up with the hard inside stuff. bruney didn’t do anything wrong there.
Youk was half an hour late on that.
zelly,
the yanks will certainly need a setup man. i think the hope is that one of the MANY options they have can step up and be that guy. whoever that is, does not need to be as good as joba is. in fact, that is probably impossible. that person would just need to be effective.
Puke Ks. ONE MORE BRUNEY. Not that hard…one more…
Terrible pitch to throw Manny. Bruney blow his fastball right by him. Try to blow him away up in the strike zone. That pitch was right down the middle.
Blew that one right by Youkilis
Youklis out on 3 pitches? Someone take a picture.
Nice Bruney..one more.
Bruney kept Manny off balance. 95-96-97, followed by an 87 slider.
The only problem was the slider should have been a little lower. But give Manny credit.
Balboni-
Yeah, unfortunately I am forced to watch NESN because where I am YES doesn’t come in and this is the only way I can watch the game. He has been so anti-Yankee tonight it’s not even funny. He said that Moeller should have been struck out when he hit the rbi double, he said that Moeller should have been called out on interference, and so many more that I can’t even think of them. Yeah Remy makes it obvious who he is rooting for.
nice. he made quick work of Youkilis.
*stands up and claps for strike 3*
THAT WAS A STRIKE!
Youk is hurting. That foul ball before knocked him off his game tonight.
I hate this ump.
Manny hates when the pitch is inside…but NO ONE ever pitches him inside. I don’t know why. Can this umpire get any slower. That pitch was a strike.
lol at manny…
Boston Dave- Thats the thing. You can have great numbers in the minors, but it doesn’t always convert to MLB. I’m not saying that he won’t be good..but how good will he be that is worth taking him out of the pen? If you could tell me right now that he would be a CY Young award winner, make him a starter, but it is so hard to predict the future. As I said…he has been unhittable..so don’t change it.
Kevin
RUN MANNY RUN!
Manny smoked a good one tonight
AYYY BRUNEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Nancy Drew makes the final out.
In spite of a few knolegeable bloggers here hate Bruney and do not want to give him the benefit of doubt, he has been very good this year except for that last game where he gave up couple of dingers.
Girardi showed confidence in him in that game and Bruney paid the dividends this game. Get used to him, becaue he is going to be regular in the bullpen. And, Girardi is a great manager in the making.
Good lord Pete, you’re pretty bitter about the Hawkins situation. You will never hesitate to rip on Yankee fans, many of whom are your loyal readers, and are the reason your blog is as big as it is.
Excellent job by the Yankee bullpen tonight, especially Hawkins and Bruney.
Hey, we got the good Bruney tonight!
nice inning by Bruney! hell yes. let’s go to the 8th. then Mo in the 9th to put it to bed!
Nice job by Bruney. 3 more outs
Nice job by Bruney. Maybe get a couple of runs and let someone else take over for Mo.
Now if we don’t get runs what do you do? Do you use Mo? Or try Alby? w/ Mo ready. Or if you have Mo ready do you just use him?
good job Bruney ! now CB will give 2 days of a break
THANK YOU BRUNEY!!!!!!!
Mo-Win. Methinks Wang should take the ENTIRE TEAM out for steak dinner.
unless bruney can really start using the slider well, he’s not going to be effective.
all of his fastballs were right down the middle – just lucky nobody connected on them. he’s never going to have control of the fastball while throwing it as hard as he possibly can.
“Boston Dave- Thats the thing. You can have great numbers in the minors, but it doesn’t always convert to MLB. I’m not saying that he won’t be good..but how good will he be that is worth taking him out of the pen? If you could tell me right now that he would be a CY Young award winner, make him a starter, but it is so hard to predict the future. As I said…he has been unhittable..so don’t change it.
Kevin”
He doesn’t have to be a Cy Young award winner to be worth more than an ace closer. He has to keep lower than a 4.00 ERA to be worth more than an ace closer.
Hey it’s our best friend Timlin. Insurance runs please.
“unless bruney can really start using the slider well, he’s not going to be effective.
all of his fastballs were right down the middle – just lucky nobody connected on them. he’s never going to have control of the fastball while throwing it as hard as he possibly can.”
He seemed to be hitting the corners well, and there was some nice late movement. He also changed speeds.
I liked it.
Well Mr. Bruney’s stock just hit a season high….Maybe even at this site as well…..
I was just thinking aboutit, was McClelland umpiring the two 4 hours+ games during the Boston massacre. He seems to be one of the main reasons this game is going so long tonight.
mike timlin!! hahahah
BBFan -
Right on the money. Good post.
rich,
The Yankee fans who were booing Hawkins because of his number deserve to be ripped…
Wang pitched great three games in a row before this terrible one. Baseball is a team game. Teammate has to pick each other up. Wang will bounce back next time.
YAAAAAAAY TIMLIN!
Too bad Giambi isn’t coming up since 90 year old Timlin is the only person he can hit.
Petes really got to relax with the Hawkins and boo thing.
The fans werent boo’ing Hawkins!
They just want O’Neill’s number retired.
If Hawkins keeps pitching well he’ll get cheered everytime out like tonight.
Hey! Our buddy is pitching.
Back to work bats
Oh look..good old Timlin
zelly,
1. do you think he will be at least an average #2 starter?
2. dont you think its worth seeing how he will be as a starter before saying he shouldnt attempt it?
sandy koufax would have been one of the best closers ever.
Kevin – there’s your answer. What’s the difference between Joba pitching the 8th, and what Traber and Bruney just did to the HEART of Boston’s lineup?
Sure, he makes the fans feel better, but what’s the real, baseball, difference?
What’s the difference between 6 innings of 3 run ball and what Wang did today?
It’s really nice to have a relatively troll-less evening here. We have been blessed, however, with a plethora of undercover GMs to provide their un-assailable VORP-powered opinions. Don’t disagree with them, folks. Resistance is futile. I hope SJ is having a happy birthday. His actual knowledge is missed tonight.
Fans were booing Hawkins before he even got into a game. They booed him during the Opening Day ceremonies. They didn’t even give him a chance.
“Petes really got to relax with the Hawkins and boo thing.
The fans werent boo’ing Hawkins!
They just want O’Neill’s number retired.
If Hawkins keeps pitching well he’ll get cheered everytime out like tonight.”
O’Neill’s number won’t be retired. It shouldn’t be retired. Anyone booing Hawkins for wanting to honor Clemente (Clemente >>>>>> O’Neill) is a moron.
I’d use Alby. I’m not risking using up Mo’s arm this early in the season.
Thanks Boston Dave for the expert scouting report. Sarcasm applied there.
Nothing worse than a hanging slider. If you spot fastballs and change eye levels its a tad better than throwing sliders and off speed pitches just for the heck of it.
I think Jeter could have sold that!
risking mo’s arm? he hasn’t worked a whole lot this year.
“.but how good will he be that is worth taking him out of the pen? ”
Joba has an excellent chance to be the best starting pitcher in all of baseball.
Better than Verlander, better than Beckett, better than Pevey.
That’s how good he is.
Is that a guarantee? No of course not. There’s also no guarantee that he’ll do well in the pen.
For whatever reason relief pitchers flame out very quickly. Mariano hasn’t but he’s the extreme outlier in that regard.
One of the pitchers Joba is often compared to is Bobby Jenks.
Look at what’s happenned to Jenks. Used to throw 98-100 and then last year he lost a tremendous amount of velocity – 92-94 and has never been the same. That happens to relief pitchers all the time.
There’s is not doubt that Joba has as good a chance to be one of the 5 best starting pitchers in all of baseball as any young pitcher whose entered the game over the past 5-7 years.
You don’t squander that in the pen. It would be amongst the single worst decision this franchise has ever made.
“It’s really nice to have a relatively troll-less evening here. We have been blessed, however, with a plethora of undercover GMs to provide their un-assailable VORP-powered opinions. Don’t disagree with them, folks. Resistance is futile. I hope SJ is having a happy birthday. His actual knowledge is missed tonight.”
How ironic.
Get a life people you don’t retire O’Neil’s number. He was a good player not a great player
Chad Moeller 3 for 3. When he was cut by the Nationals (?), I’ll bet he never thought he’d get to start for the Yankees against the Red Sox…much less get three hits in one game.
I thought he got hit too.
CB – thank you. Said it better than I could.
V,
I suppose I was hard on him. I just don’t think he can maintain command of his fastball. There were pitches right down the middle that could have been HR. Drew fouled one straight back which means he had it timed well but just missed it.
I won’t argue against results – I just need to see more than this before having much confidence. The Sox seemed to be a bit patient with him tonight, taking some hittable fastballs.
The fans were not boo’ing Hawkins. They were boo’ing the fact that 21# isnt retired.
It had NOTHING to do with the person Hawkins is or why hes wearing 21#
And no offense. No Yankee fan cares about Clemente. We care about Paulie O a little more.
Mo just needs 3 outs and then he can rest tomorrow. Since the odds of Mussina pitching 2 good games in a row against Boston is extremely low. Especially since Beckett is pitching.
“The fans werent boo’ing Hawkins!
They just want O’Neill’s number retired.”
So they’re going to behave like thuggish bullies until they get what they want?
CB always does.
jeter’s gonna steal 2nd
Good friend Timlin walks Jeter to start the inning
“good job Bruney ! now CB will give 2 days of a break ”
Maybe a 1 day break!!
I want to see him come in with men in base and consistently get out of the jam or significantly limit the damage.
He threw well today. Good to see. I hope I’m wrong about him. But I just don’t see him being consistent enough.
ellen: SJ wants Joba in the starting rotation, as well. If you are going to plead for sympathy via sarcasm, you should have your posters’ opinions straight.
I was wondering why Albaladejo wasn’t used, but now I’m thinking that Joe is considering tomorrow’s game. We can’t expect to get more than 5 or 6 (if that) from Moose and Alby can throw a few innings at a time……I hope that’s Joe’s thinking because otherwise it seems he’s not a fan of the kid.
Its Red Sox-Yanks in the 8th inning and some rube has to start talking about Joba the Starter or Reliever.
Geez. Relax will ya and enjoy the game
“The fans were not boo’ing Hawkins. They were boo’ing the fact that 21# isnt retired.
It had NOTHING to do with the person Hawkins is or why hes wearing 21#
And no offense. No Yankee fan cares about Clemente. We care about Paulie O a little more.”
Yes.
“And no offense. No Yankee fan cares about Clemente. We care about Paulie O a little more.”
Well, I for one am glad that you thugs don’t speak for all Yankee fans.
Hey, I just got in the house. What the hell happened while I was gone? Looks like CMW got lit up.
well so much for jeter stealing 2nd if abreu is gonna foul everything off
I care about Roberto Clemente.
Terrific,
you’re right. guys who throw the same pitch, with avg command at best, over and over, do remarkably well. i dont know what i was thinking.
V,
So people who care more about Paulie are thugs? Wow.
ooooof Bobby spit blood right there
““good job Bruney ! now CB will give 2 days of a break â€
Maybe a 1 day break!!
I want to see him come in with men in base and consistently get out of the jam or significantly limit the damage.
He threw well today. Good to see. I hope I’m wrong about him. But I just don’t see him being consistent enough.”
I did want to ask you and SJ.
Assume Bruney (and/or Farnsworth) is good from here on out. 1 baserunner (maybe two) per inning max. Maybe allows one out of every three inherited runners to score, max.
Maybe gives up a solo shot here or there.
How long until you believe that 2008 Bruney is different from 2007 (and prior) Bruney? That he’s changed and stepped up his game?
I care about Clemente too.
I care about Clemente.
I’m sick of the subject lets get over it
Aardsma = Timlin (version circa 2004).
“V,
So people who care more about Paulie are thugs? Wow.”
People that boo a Yankees player for daring to wear Paulies number are thugs.
atta boy Alex. too bad it bounced out so jeter couldn’t score.
A Yankee fan in space…pretty cool
Dang, A-Rod just missed a homer.
nice job arod. RISP, let’s get some insurance runs
WE need a couple more runs so that Alba can pitch instead of MO. HE pitched two days in a row and a little rest will help and he will be ready tomorrow if needed. Now that Alex hit a double, all we need is a hit from one of next two batters.
“No Yankee fan cares about Clemente. We care about Paulie O a little more.”
I like Paulie as much as anyone but that statement shows a very narrow focus on life. What Clemente represents shouldn’t be discounted.
I care about Clemente
Man why did it have to go over the wall. Here comes the Posada DP special.
NJ in Tampa,
not at all. but people shouldnt make the broad assumption that no yankee fans care about roberto clemente – eluding to the idea that it was ok to boo hawkins.
Intentional walk to load the bases…make ‘em pay, Georgie.
And I’ll repeat what I said a few hours ago: when they move Joba to the rotation, it’s not like his relief innings will just default to Bruney and Farnsworth. There are reinforcements on the way, as CB noted.
Clemente’s the man
HIP HIP
“No Yankee fan cares about Clemente.”
I’m a Yankee fan and I care about Clemente
Nice! 13-9
“Terrific,
you’re right. guys who throw the same pitch, with avg command at best, over and over, do remarkably well. i dont know what i was thinking.”
Apparently, you don’t actually watch the game.
Bruney was solid. Rewind your DVR if you have one. Look at it. He took Manny up the ladder, went 95 to 96 to 97, then an 87 slider (not as low as it should have been, though), and got beat.
After that, he was hitting corners, changing speeds, and his pitches had some nice late downward movement.
He was solid.
I Care about Clemente!
Mo can sit down now. Thanks, Georgie!
Thank God for Mike Timlin
alright love the balls in play !!!
HIP HIP!!
HIP HIP!!
How can you say no one cares about Clemente? Anyone who admires a good person who did great things off of the field would have to admire Clemente.
Yes, maybe Mo can sit for the night now!!
Giambi must have raced up that dugout when he saw Timlin
did we just get runs with the bases loaded?
Ugh. I feel so bad for Giambi right now. He has less than zero luck.
Timlin (version 2008) = Timlin (version 2004).
WOW. Old man still has impressive stuff.
Another come-from-behind win for the SUX tonight?
Thank you Posada for once. Why do I have the feeling that we will see Mo eventually in the 9th inning.
Clemente was a great player and a great humanitarian, there is no doubt about that. But I’m not going to call someone who cares more about Paulie a thug. As I said earlier they were wrong to boo Hawkins, but for Pete and you guys to sit here and cry about it is ridiculous.
“Man why did it have to go over the wall. Here comes the Posada DP special.”
d00d, stfu. Please.
CaptainsCorner = Fleas?
Dang, Giambi nearly homered there.
Who said Yankee fans don’t care about Clemente? I do. He was a great player and an extraordinary man.
OOOOO Jason almost had that. pulled it a bit too much.
I bet Sterling just went:
“It is High, It is far..it is …foul”
JORGE !
That was payback for running on Jorge the other night.
Great, the offense is really clicking.
All Alba lovers get to see him now!
Given Wang was out so early in the game, Girardi managed the game great utilizing almost all the members of the bullpen in the right way.
LEFT FIELD HIT FOR GIAMBI!!!!!
I would have laughed my a– off if Giambi got to that…
But that will do just fine.
Giambi gets a double! Nice!
hell yes!!! 15-9 and this is turning into a blowout again
v
rumor has it there’s a copy of baseball prospectus on giradi’s shelf. i would read it more myself ,but i liked walking and on base percentage when i was ten( and that was 1959) so i really don’t feel the need.
but for people who haven’t played much, it’s a way to understand the game . i don’t disagree with everything in bp. it’s just a lot of reading to come up with walk more and don’t give up outs.
Nevermind. Jason’s happy now
.
Is Giambi paying Timlin or something?
“A Yankee fan in space…pretty cool”
There’s a reason those shirts say “Yankees Universe”…
BEAT THE SHIFT, BABY!
WOOOOOOHHHHOOOOOO
how’s that for Giambi going the other way??? drives in a pair!
Giambi needs to face Timlin everyday. How funny that he can only hit him. He is the RH version of Igawa.
Giambi to left field!!!!!
I love how Manny kind of backed off for a second before picking up the ball. Defer to the fans, Manny.
“S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and will be fine! Goodness.. April 16th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
When will Giambi do something?”
I think about 3 minutes ago..
….. and be prepared to see Fransworth tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bruney gets the 9th.
HAHAHAHA WOW
I LOVE MIKE TIMLIN. Can we pay him to stay on the Sox?
Mo will get a day off
V,
I am using the entire season thus far as my sample. If Bruney has comparable results the majority of the rest of the season, no argument from me.
It still looks to me like Bruney rears back and just throws the ball as hard as he can and hopes its not grooved right down the middle. He may have hit the corners, IMO, there was some luck involved there. Time will tell if that is the case or not.
I hope I am wrong.
Mo is already warmed up. Does Girardi still bring him in?
Giambi with a hit to left field!!!
I’m loving Timlin more and more.
37.80 era for timlin lol
I am pretty comfortable thinking that our bats have woke up..
15 runs no matter how you get them, in no way can be said as all lucky…
IT”S ALLLIIIIVEEEEE (Finally)
“How long until you believe that 2008 Bruney is different from 2007 (and prior) Bruney? That he’s changed and stepped up his game?”
30 innings of the kind of relief that you described.
In particular, 30 innings in which he averages less than 3 BB/9 with a whip of less than 1.3
The Mole man!
Awwww….. no 4/4 for Moeller.
4 hours later, the end is in sight
Pete
Ask Giambi what him and Timlin just said to each other.
throw strikes Bruney, don’t make CB dog you tonight
““How long until you believe that 2008 Bruney is different from 2007 (and prior) Bruney? That he’s changed and stepped up his game?â€
30 innings of the kind of relief that you described.
In particular, 30 innings in which he averages less than 3 BB/9 with a whip of less than 1.3″
Gotcha – works for me
He looks better this year than last year. I’m not sure how he is on short rest, but he looked good to me tonight.
Walks as good as a hit Randy 1…
OK, I’m having a button made up for you, CB:
“I’m a Bruney Believer”
i appreciate your stance on and defense of hawkins, and while i don’t think his treatment has been fair, i think you’re chastising the yankee fans way too much, as if you expect better from them or something.
these are the same fans that actually booed derek jeter for GIDP-ing for the nth time last season. if they can boo the captain, why wouldn’t you expect them to boo some spare reliever that has no history with the yankees…especially when it comes through as a warped defense of paulie, who everybody knows can do no wrong?
FYI,
Currently, Detroit is only 3 games behind the Yanks.
I thought once a pitcher warms up it’s bad for them to sit? Mo was warming up. Anyhow…nice to finally see some runs scored in bases loaded situations.
Too bad about Wang, but a ND is better than a L and WIN for the team is all that counts.
V,
And that’s 30 consecutive innings – that’s just to start.
I’ll still have apprehensions about him until he has a solid full year.
But at 30 innings I’ll start to believe he has changed.
But then again, he might walk Sean Casey for absolutely no reason and drive us crazy.
It is good that Mo gets the night off. (for a good reason, not a loss!
I always believe that the unbalanced schedule gives the Sawx so many looks an Mariano that it makes him less effective towards the end.
Nice to have the bats sizzling. Watch tomorrow night will be a 2 to 1 pitchers duel.
If there is a worse broadcaster in the history of American sports than Jerry Remy, I’d commit kari kari rather than listen to it.
I live in New England, which means on Red sox games we get blacked out on DirecTV on both YES
and ESPN.
Not only is NESN unprofessional enough to focus the camera for almost an entire inning on one 20 something year old exhuberant Yankee fan while Remy cuts the guy up, they then proceed to dump on Yankee fans in general.
It’s a shame their feed isnt piped into the Stadium. After all the talk from Remy about how he gets heckled,he’s really have something to talk about. What a clown!
2 more outs Bruney. Make em quick.
“i appreciate your stance on and defense of hawkins, and while i don’t think his treatment has been fair, i think you’re chastising the yankee fans way too much, as if you expect better from them or something.
these are the same fans that actually booed derek jeter for GIDP-ing for the nth time last season. if they can boo the captain, why wouldn’t you expect them to boo some spare reliever that has no history with the yankees…especially when it comes through as a warped defense of paulie, who everybody knows can do no wrong?”
Damn right we should expect better. The morons make the rest of us look bad.
There has to be nothing worse than reading these comments during a game.
The “sky is falling crowd” really comes out during games.
An embarrassment to real Yank fans.
Bruney to Casy: 5 straight fastballs. Same all Bruney. Rear back and throw the ball thru a wall.What a waste!!
Forbes: Yankees worth $1.3 billion
WOAH !
Of course I haven’t put the order in for the “I’m a Bruney Believer” buttons quite yet.
Renee,
they booed Jeter for a baseball play. Booing someone who has never even pitched for the team yet isnt right.
but ok, if you dont like the #21, boo him once and let it go. it’s not worthy of constant booing and chanting of O’Neill’s name.
as someone said earlier, if fans are that upset, write a petition to have 21 retired and submit to the yanks.
SHEESH – lugo’s first hit of the night
“V,
And that’s 30 consecutive innings – that’s just to start.
I’ll still have apprehensions about him until he has a solid full year.
But at 30 innings I’ll start to believe he has changed.
But then again, he might walk Sean Casey for absolutely no reason and drive us crazy.”
I’m beginning to believe he’s a 1-inning guy, which makes him near worthless. We’ve already got that in Farnsworth.
2 on and 1 out…c’mon Bruney. A DP and this thing is over.
No. People who give try to intimidate someone into doing what they want are thugs. Thats misguided loyalty.
come on Bruney
1 more out please and we can all go home happy
One more…
Sorry to repost,but here’s my take on the Latroy Hawkins situation.
The Yankees are selling sentimentality like it’s going out of style. They are playing up the last days of the Stadium for all it’s worth and they will gladly sell you a rock off the warning track as soon as it closes.
Paul O’Neil is a link to the most recent memorable events at Yankee Stadium. The Yankees should have known better than to make #21 available for the time being. Emotions are too raw right now, especially given the publicity blitz for the Stadium closing. The Yankees are partially to blame here.
The fans should have been intelligent enough to understand why Hawkins chose #21. There’s no excuse for booing him based on the number he chose to wear and especially because of the reason he chose it.
LaTroy Hawkins should have pitched better than allowing 8 hits and 7 earned runs in his first 2 appearences covering only 2 innings. The Felix Heredia comparison someone had earlier is spot on. If he had pitched effectively, he would have been less likely to feel the wrath of the fans. Instead, he stunk and he got booed. Players have been getting booed at home since the days of wool uniforms. This isnt a recent invention or limited to Yankee fans. Ted Williams got booed at home. Mike Schmidt got booed at home. I understand we now live in a world of politcal correctness and think no one should ever get booed. But it’s been going on for as long as baseball has been played.
I’ve always cringed when I hear Yankee fans boo A Rod. I’m a season ticket holder and would never do that.But it’s amazing how success turns boos to cheers. I truly think that if LaTroy Hawkins pitched like Joba Chamberlain no one would care if he wore #3.
Nick – you make it and I’ll be happy to use it.
I honestly really hope that I am wrong about Bruney. I pull for all of the guys on the team.
So I hope I’m completely wrong on him.
It just seems very unlikely that he’ll become a reliable set up man/ fire man.
For instance – that inning he threw. It’s a nice inning. But even there it was Traber who got the key out of the inning.
Once that first out completed the probability of the other team scoring plummets.
He threw well. I hope he keeps it up.
Who’s in line for the win here?
“Bruney to Casy: 5 straight fastballs. Same all Bruney. Rear back and throw the ball thru a wall.What a waste!!”
Is Bruney calling the game?
Manny with the game winner tonight too?
Ohlendorf would get the win. His first ML win
I don’t think Bruney is a 1 inning guy but he’s looking more like a not “back2back days” guy like Mr. Kyle.
I wonder what people like CB will complain about now with Bruney throwing well.
I’m giddy with anticipation!
It’s really unfortunate the Mo has to start throwing and to start loosening up for a second time up 6 runs.
Great win! The ‘runt’ makes the last out. 8 Yankees with RBIs
Hawkins was huge!! Moeller shined too, and Bruney came through and gets the save.
Night all.
It’s…over. The game ended. I can’t believe it. Yankees win!
I guess the Yankee bats are fine. Nice job by the bullpen to pick up Wang. Good win Yanks.
This win is particularly gratifying to me for personal reasons. I have a cousin, like a brother to me, who just got married a week ago Sunday. I officiated his wedding.
He’s a Red Sox fan (barf) and he called me up tonight to tell me about his honeymoon trip to Iceland. While we were on the phone, the Sox tied up the game and then took the lead.
I guaranteed that the Yanks would come back and win. Now it can be told: I don’t have any actual authority to make such a guarantee. Whew!
Hawkins gets the win – after all the drama good for him…
jesus Moeller crack a smile every once in awhile
to V and Westerner99….I’m gonna go see a doctor right after 6th grade lets out 2morrow, OK, ya dinks ?
pat m.-
how many times did we hear that?
then you read moneyball ,and it’s like they reinvented the wheel. but like i said, it’s a way into the game for the new generations that didn’t live on the baseball field the way we did.
i have a confession to make. i actually subscribe to baseball prospectus. i learn just enough to argue.
routine victory tonight. coffee tomorrow on main street cape cod will be much more enjoyable.
It’s nice to see the offense bail out the pitching staff in this game.
The bats are starting to heat up. They’ve looked better and better over the past few games.
This is a very, very good team that is going to get better as the season progresses.
Boston has a very thin bull pen. the yankee’s pen is unsettled but there is a lot of depth they can draw on.
This season is going very well so far. They are getting to the place they need to be at for this time of the year given the schedule.
Good win tonight. These Yankee-Red Sox games drag on forever though. Got to watch the entire Ranger game and jump over to see the game in the 5th. That’s ridiculous. Good game either way.
Total karmic justice that Hawkins gets the win.
Awesome win. The offense is awake. The bullpen stepped up to the table and succeeded where Boston’s failed.
I’ll be at the game tomorrow.
If Toronto loses tonight, The Yankees are tied for first place. Not bad for a rough April.!!
Hawkins doesn’t get the win. Ohlendorf does.
All Bruney bashers, please come clean and applaud his effort. We need him and he is doing good.
This is great win made possible by the offense and bullpen. Hopefully, offense will keep going.
I don’t think Mo warmed up long enough to throw at full-speed.
Warming is is just that…staying loose, stretching out and warming up. No damage or wear-and-tear for Mo.
Swung well tonight. Boston did as well. Ortiz is still lost.
GO YANKS!
Yanks = 1st place in the AL East where they belong.
where are the trolls tonight?
Double digit runs scored…Beautiful =)
They showed Hawkins with the win on NESN.
Amazing how well this team can hit in baseball weather.
I’ll definitely cut Bruney some slack in the 9th; he’d been sitting for awhile and that usually spells trouble for a pitcher coming back out for the next inning. He did very well tonight – good for him. I’m most happy for Hawk, though…….
Kay said Hawkins got the win
Great win
They also showed Hawkins with the win on YES
Trisha – I agree with you. I am really glad for Hawkins.
Steph actually I thought Ohlendorf allowed the game to be tied, Yanks went ahead, and Hawkins came in.
Yeah, I don’t remember the exact numbers last year but this is already a better start. I remember going into Shea in the beginning of May and being way out of it. Not this year.
Ah, I guess ESPN got it wrong. They showed Ohlendorf
Fran is there going to be a YES postgame?
BBFan,
I dont think anybody is bashing Bruney, are they?
We are all pulling for him at least. I won’t argue with the results, and tonight, he had them.
MLB shows the win to Hawkins
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2008_04_16_bosmlb_nyamlb_1
Great job LaTroy!!
Steph – well that does not surprise me
Yup – there’s a YES postgame
Yes Trisha – Bob Lorenz and David Cone
Thanks Rish. Hopefully I will end up getting it.
Official scorer can decide that Hawkins did more to help the team win than Ohlendorf, who blew the lead. It’s not an automatic decision.
Haha, true. Let’s just blame everything on ESPN because they like to screw people up. All that matters to me, really, is that the Yanks won, though I’m very happy Hawkins got the win.
Jays are in the 13th. Ooohhh, I hope they wear down their pen.
Got it!
BBTonight on at midnight. Sui better get a web gem for that first catch of his!
cb
for what it’s worth. i understand why bruney drives you crazy. it doesn’t seem like there’s much intelligence in there with him. a pitcher like papelbon doesn’t wow you with his smarts, but he has an intensity of focus that bruney lacks.
maybe bruney can be the proverbial dog that learns new tricks. it is hard for people to change. usually they are what they are. but you never know. new pitching coach. thinking manager who’s caught and managed modern pitchers. stranger things have happened.
Thanks Fran. We did it again…
I’d say we should call tomorrow night also! You game?
ESPN is showing Baseball Tonight out here…
Didn’t realize there were 3 RS standing around on that bad Lugo throw…were they on a coffee break?
“I dont think anybody is bashing Bruney, are they?”
I am not taking about today. Check day before yesterday when he gave those two dingers. It was unbeleivable how irrational the criticism was. So far this year, he stunk up once and was excellent all other times. He deserve some credit. Even that one game we won.
Let it go, Pete.
Okay, you’ve told us how you feel about the whole Hawkins thing. Let the dead horse lie in peace.
Darrell Rasner is pitching well at Scranton. I wouldnt be surprised to see the Yanks bring him up in the near future. Our ‘pen is going to be toast at the end of the 33 games in 34 day stretch.
Trisha – let’s go for it. Yanks win again.
Hawkins has really stabilized with his recent appearances, he gave the team just what it needed tonight. Bruney looked good as well. Good to see the bullpen get the job done with Joba being away.
Player of the game ? Chad Moeller…
We will win tomorrow and have the first sweep of the season!!!!! How sweet it will be against the Sox.
Rasner has been tearing up AAA and the Yanks will need a long reliever sometime. He’ll definitely be one of the first on call.
The Yanks swept Tampa in their 2-game set before they won tonight.
randy,
I hope Bruney does well. If he does turn out to be one of those rare players who can totally reinvent himself well then – this yankee team is going to be fantastic.
The person whose going to take over that 8th inning/ high leverage relief slot once joba leaves is one of the few remaining major questions on this team.
Other than than they look very good. The offense is about to kick it into high gear. Cano looked good, Posada looked good, Jeter is now on fire, even Giambi looked good.
The bull pen was always going to be an issue of experimentation – we knew that coming out of spring training that the pen as it was wasn’t going to be the way it would be to finish the season (or even in the second half).
I’d like them to give Alan Horne a shot in the pen when he gets back from his injury. Mark Melancon had another good outing tonight in Tampa (2IP OR).
It’s going to work out. This yankee team is different because they have tremendous depth of talent. They have options to address the problems that they do have.
I am quite sure that even we Bruney Bashers want him to do well and would be happy to be converted into Bruney Believers. He’s had more than one bad outing this year, the inherited runners he’s let score don’t show up in his ERA. But more power to him if he shows consistent improvement.
Steph out here ESPN has Jazz v. Spurs. Wonder if you get to see web gems! If Sui gets one let us know!
Mark Melancon (rehab) more improvement
2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB
GO/AO 3:3
but the story was “THE POPE”
Ryan Pope was DOMINANT !
5.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 8 K’s
GO/AO 5:2
ESPN 2 is showing BBT (though I’m watching the post game)
Lol, I will. I’m flipping between Yankee post, the Jazz game, and Baseball Tonight. Sadly, my Jazz are completely sucking tonight. They’re just discussing the fact that Prince Fielder doesn’t have a homer right now.
Dang. I didn’t check ESN2 only because it listed Boxing.
Now I gotta switch back and forth. I imagine they already showed highlights of our game.
Good for Latroy though.
I just don’t understand why Paul O’Neill didn’t just come out and tell the fans to stop booing. He said the same things on YES earlier in the year. But whatever, I guess it’s over now.
http://yankeesin2008.wordpress.com/
why is AJ Burnett CL for Toronto ?
Yeah, that was the first thing they did.
The Jays ran through everyone else in their pen. I’m not too worried about that, though. The more they wear down their pitchers, the better.
Toronto has used 9 pitchers so far.
AJ Burnett in to pitch the 14th…
wear out that bullpen!
“He’s had more than one bad outing this year, the inherited runners he’s let score don’t show up in his ERA. ”
No Nick – don’t you see how it works. The game he completely blew in boston doesn’t count.
The only games that count are the ones Bruney comes in with absolutely no men on base and then pitches well with a 6 run lead.
As Bruney Basher I am very firmly hoping I am completely wrong.
Outside of wanting the team to do as well as possible I want nothing more as a fan than for Joba to get into the rotation. One of my biggest concerns for this season is that Joba gets into the rotation and that his talent isn’t squandered in the pen.
If Bruney locks down the set up man role than Joba will definitely be in the roation. No question.
If Bruney (or someone else) locks down that set up man role and Joba is able t get into the rotation they are going to be favored to win the World Series.
Texas had the bases juiced, no outs in the 11th, but couldnt score. then had bases juiced again in the 13th, nada.
cmon Texas! just score already
Nah, let Texas score in about the 18th…really make them work.
Steph that is sick !, I love it
and Texas wins
yanks stay on top for tonight
Anyone see the retire 21 sticker over latroy’s locker
How bout the retire 21 sticker in Hawkins locker. and it does NOT refer to O’Neil.
I love this guy.
haha Hawkins has a “Retire 21″ bumper sticker on his locker.
dude sounds like a really good guy in the clubhouse. he’s handled this situation with class. here’s hoping his good performances continue
scratch that
Texas takes the lead in the top of the 14th
my bad
cb-
i have a huge amount of respect for girardi to the point when he does thing that don’t make sense to me that i try to keep an open mind to maybe learning something that i didn’t know.
the way he’s handling the bullpen at times has me puzzled,but maybe he’s looking for things that he can build a quality relief pitcher on. besides mariano and joba, no one else is a finished product. everyone else is just potential. even hawkins has changed his style so he’s in a transition period.
eiland and girardi are going to earn every penny this year with the bullpen. it’s going to be a work in progress.
Seen during postgame interview on YES:
Hawkins has a sticker in his locker above his name that says “Retire 21″. Who put that there?
That transition to the rotation will a smooth one if Mussina can stay somewhat effective until lets say Father’s Day…Personally I think he’s toast by Memorail Day…..Randy 1, I think we’re referred to as Old School…Just saying that blows my mind…..I think Bruney understands that this is it for him in the Bronx…So we’ll see…I think he’s going to surprise us….Hawkins will also prove to be a good pickup….Farnsworth, just waitng to punch his ticket to somewhere….N.L. BY June..
randy l
how did hawkins change his style?
who’s pitching tomorrow?
funny thing about that sticker I’d bet LAtroy put it there himself even though that jersey will not be retired.
Whenever a Yankee has a good day who normally gets bashed, some on this blog have to chime in:
“Where are all the Bruney bashers now” “Where are all the Farnsworth bashers now” Blah, Blah, Blah, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Folks, it’s agreed that sometimes the vibe gets negative. But just because these two knucklehead pitchers occasionally don’t give up a boatload of runs,it doesn’t mean thehy are all of the sudden valuable.
boston dave-
went from mostly 4 seam fastballs when he threw harder when he was younger to more two seam with sinking action. going for more movement on the ball now that the velocity isn’t there.
obviously its early and this isnt that meaningful yet, but the Sox have given up the 3rd most runs in the Majors.
yet, no baseball analysts that I know of have yet to question their staff and bullpen and at least consider that if they dont improve that th