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	<title>Comments on: Shameful end to the 21 saga</title>
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		<title>By: rockindabronx</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/16/shameful-end-to-the-21-saga/comment-page-16/#comment-316501</link>
		<dc:creator>rockindabronx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like O&#039;Neil as much as the next guy, but this was silly and classless. Number 21 shouldnt even be considered for retirement. Yanks need to keep some standards, I still think number 44 should be made available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like O&#8217;Neil as much as the next guy, but this was silly and classless. Number 21 shouldnt even be considered for retirement. Yanks need to keep some standards, I still think number 44 should be made available.</p>
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		<title>By: deadrody</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/16/shameful-end-to-the-21-saga/comment-page-16/#comment-313667</link>
		<dc:creator>deadrody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, the ticket for the game at which they retire Paul O&#039;Neil&#039;s number will be the toughest ticket to get in YEARS.  You can&#039;t even name me another Yankee who would get the same send off.  Maybe Jeter or Mo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the ticket for the game at which they retire Paul O&#8217;Neil&#8217;s number will be the toughest ticket to get in YEARS.  You can&#8217;t even name me another Yankee who would get the same send off.  Maybe Jeter or Mo.</p>
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		<title>By: Retire 21 (Alex)</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/16/shameful-end-to-the-21-saga/comment-page-16/#comment-313663</link>
		<dc:creator>Retire 21 (Alex)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Yankees retired Reggie Jackson&#039;s number after only a handful of years, then why not Paul O&#039;Neil?

I&#039;m not old enough to have seen Reggie play, but the most popular image I see of his legacy is of him hitting 3 homeruns in the World Series. 

I remember O&#039;neil for three great World Series moments as well. First, the catch he made in the 1996 WS to end game 5. That catch ignited the team. Second was in a losing effort to Cleveland in the 1997 Divisional Series. He played hurt and legged out a double (on one good leg) and managed to make a ridiculous slide to keep the game alive. And the third reason, King George loves him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Yankees retired Reggie Jackson&#8217;s number after only a handful of years, then why not Paul O&#8217;Neil?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not old enough to have seen Reggie play, but the most popular image I see of his legacy is of him hitting 3 homeruns in the World Series. </p>
<p>I remember O&#8217;neil for three great World Series moments as well. First, the catch he made in the 1996 WS to end game 5. That catch ignited the team. Second was in a losing effort to Cleveland in the 1997 Divisional Series. He played hurt and legged out a double (on one good leg) and managed to make a ridiculous slide to keep the game alive. And the third reason, King George loves him.</p>
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		<title>By: Yanksgal07</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/16/shameful-end-to-the-21-saga/comment-page-16/#comment-313626</link>
		<dc:creator>Yanksgal07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I NEVER boo any player on my team ...heck, I don&#039;t hoo any player on any team (not even BOSTON).  I cheer when the opposition makes an out and have a big grin tho&#039;...I was grinning from ear to ear last night at the game :o)...

As far as O&#039;Neill&#039;s number ...Pete didn&#039;t finish Paul&#039;s statement.  He was flattered that fans felt that way but he finished saying that he had NO PROBLEM with LaTroy wearing his number.  Pete left the last part of the quote off ...that&#039;s unfair to Paul.

Paul was the heart and soul of this team when he played here and I think that&#039;s what the fans appreciate including Mr. Steinbrenner who dubbed him &quot;The Warrior&quot;.  With that said there is absolutely no excuse for the fans who boo any player for wearing his number.  I remember what he did for this team and I don&#039;t need his number retired to feel the respect and admiration I have for him.  He did that by playing 110% every game for his team and the fans.  That&#039;s why Paul has the love of so many Yankee fans to this day.

Go Yankees 2008 !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I NEVER boo any player on my team &#8230;heck, I don&#8217;t hoo any player on any team (not even BOSTON).  I cheer when the opposition makes an out and have a big grin tho&#8217;&#8230;I was grinning from ear to ear last night at the game <img src='http://yankees.lhblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )&#8230;</p>
<p>As far as O&#8217;Neill&#8217;s number &#8230;Pete didn&#8217;t finish Paul&#8217;s statement.  He was flattered that fans felt that way but he finished saying that he had NO PROBLEM with LaTroy wearing his number.  Pete left the last part of the quote off &#8230;that&#8217;s unfair to Paul.</p>
<p>Paul was the heart and soul of this team when he played here and I think that&#8217;s what the fans appreciate including Mr. Steinbrenner who dubbed him &#8220;The Warrior&#8221;.  With that said there is absolutely no excuse for the fans who boo any player for wearing his number.  I remember what he did for this team and I don&#8217;t need his number retired to feel the respect and admiration I have for him.  He did that by playing 110% every game for his team and the fans.  That&#8217;s why Paul has the love of so many Yankee fans to this day.</p>
<p>Go Yankees 2008 !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr G</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/16/shameful-end-to-the-21-saga/comment-page-16/#comment-313581</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to the separate issue of whether O&#039;Neill&#039;s number should be retired - sure people can have opinions, but the only opinion that counts is George&#039;s (or Hank&#039;s and/or Hal&#039;s).  If they want to retire Bobby Meachum&#039;s number because they feel guilty that Bill Martin destroyed his career, they can do whatever they want.

I would, however, like to know how many of those that say O&#039;Neill doesn&#039;t deserve it, were at the Stadium for Game 5 of the 2001 WS.  How many players, Yankees or otherwise, in recent memory have gotten that kind of a send off?  In my book, the ovation and tribute that he got that night says a lot more and counts for a lot more than stats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to the separate issue of whether O&#8217;Neill&#8217;s number should be retired &#8211; sure people can have opinions, but the only opinion that counts is George&#8217;s (or Hank&#8217;s and/or Hal&#8217;s).  If they want to retire Bobby Meachum&#8217;s number because they feel guilty that Bill Martin destroyed his career, they can do whatever they want.</p>
<p>I would, however, like to know how many of those that say O&#8217;Neill doesn&#8217;t deserve it, were at the Stadium for Game 5 of the 2001 WS.  How many players, Yankees or otherwise, in recent memory have gotten that kind of a send off?  In my book, the ovation and tribute that he got that night says a lot more and counts for a lot more than stats.</p>
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		<title>By: Breimann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breimann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hawkins is notorious for failing in the clutch and he was not a popular signing. Despite his early  moderate success as a Yankee, theres a chance he would get boo&#039;d regardless of his number!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawkins is notorious for failing in the clutch and he was not a popular signing. Despite his early  moderate success as a Yankee, theres a chance he would get boo&#8217;d regardless of his number!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do I feel bad that Hawkins got booed? Sure, a little bit. I&#039;m sure it feels bad, and hurts to be booed and name called. But come on, welcome to New York. The fans here care passionately about their favorite team, and their favorite players on those teams (not just the Yankees). If they are upset by something, they are going to let you know. You are a professional athlete, it&#039;s going to happen no matter what number you choose or how well you play (Hello, A-Rod). 

I grew up watching Paul O&#039;Neill play, and he was my favorite player as a kid. I don&#039;t know if he &quot;deserves&quot; to have his number retired. But I would be happy if it was, under these circumstances or any other. If I&#039;m at Yankee Stadium, I&#039;m not going to boo Hawkins or anybody else for wearing the number, but I am going to wish he wasn&#039;t. Nothing personal against Hawkins.

But, Paul was not any old player on a Championship team. He was an all star player who was the emotional leader of the team. Beyond being a fan favorite, he batted third, a spot often reserved for a team&#039;s best (or second best) hitter. He was NO shlub. When a team wins 4 World Series, and appears in 2 more, a bunch of numbers from that ERA ought to be retired. Look at past championship teams across sports (Yankees, Celtics, Lakers, even the Knicks all have many players from each championship era retired). So in order of deserving numbers to be retired from that era I say...2, 42, 6, 51, 21, maybe 46. Yeah, Paul is 4 or 5 on that list, and maybe doesn&#039;t make the cut, but he&#039;s close enough to be having this conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I feel bad that Hawkins got booed? Sure, a little bit. I&#8217;m sure it feels bad, and hurts to be booed and name called. But come on, welcome to New York. The fans here care passionately about their favorite team, and their favorite players on those teams (not just the Yankees). If they are upset by something, they are going to let you know. You are a professional athlete, it&#8217;s going to happen no matter what number you choose or how well you play (Hello, A-Rod). </p>
<p>I grew up watching Paul O&#8217;Neill play, and he was my favorite player as a kid. I don&#8217;t know if he &#8220;deserves&#8221; to have his number retired. But I would be happy if it was, under these circumstances or any other. If I&#8217;m at Yankee Stadium, I&#8217;m not going to boo Hawkins or anybody else for wearing the number, but I am going to wish he wasn&#8217;t. Nothing personal against Hawkins.</p>
<p>But, Paul was not any old player on a Championship team. He was an all star player who was the emotional leader of the team. Beyond being a fan favorite, he batted third, a spot often reserved for a team&#8217;s best (or second best) hitter. He was NO shlub. When a team wins 4 World Series, and appears in 2 more, a bunch of numbers from that ERA ought to be retired. Look at past championship teams across sports (Yankees, Celtics, Lakers, even the Knicks all have many players from each championship era retired). So in order of deserving numbers to be retired from that era I say&#8230;2, 42, 6, 51, 21, maybe 46. Yeah, Paul is 4 or 5 on that list, and maybe doesn&#8217;t make the cut, but he&#8217;s close enough to be having this conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if people have already said this...


As someone who has grown up watching and loving the Yankees, I&#039;ve never been more ashamed of Yankees fans. Paul O&#039;Neil was emotional and was great for many seasons but that does not mean we should boo and hate Latroy Hawkins. What Roberto Clemente has done for baseball is about 100 times more than what Paul O&#039;Neil has done. Sure Paul has broken a few bats and been angry, shown emtions and batted .330 but the accomplishments and impact of Roberto Clemente overwhelm Paul both on a baseball and life impact. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I love Paulie and he did good things for the Yanks, but so did lots of Yankees and that doesnt mean their number is retired. You have to do great things to have your number retired as a Yankee. If anything this shows us, Clemente should have number retired by the Yankees and other teams. Obviously he is not Jackie Robinson but his impact on baseball is undeniable. 

The Yankees fans have comitted a great wrong doing by how they have treated Latroy and his number. Great you support Paulie but if Paul is getting his number retited, next thing you know any player on a championship team is getting their number retited...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if people have already said this&#8230;</p>
<p>As someone who has grown up watching and loving the Yankees, I&#8217;ve never been more ashamed of Yankees fans. Paul O&#8217;Neil was emotional and was great for many seasons but that does not mean we should boo and hate Latroy Hawkins. What Roberto Clemente has done for baseball is about 100 times more than what Paul O&#8217;Neil has done. Sure Paul has broken a few bats and been angry, shown emtions and batted .330 but the accomplishments and impact of Roberto Clemente overwhelm Paul both on a baseball and life impact. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I love Paulie and he did good things for the Yanks, but so did lots of Yankees and that doesnt mean their number is retired. You have to do great things to have your number retired as a Yankee. If anything this shows us, Clemente should have number retired by the Yankees and other teams. Obviously he is not Jackie Robinson but his impact on baseball is undeniable. </p>
<p>The Yankees fans have comitted a great wrong doing by how they have treated Latroy and his number. Great you support Paulie but if Paul is getting his number retited, next thing you know any player on a championship team is getting their number retited&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Pepitone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Pepitone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now O&#039;Neill is a bad guy because he doesn&#039;t make public statements asking fans to support Hawkins?  It&#039;s not his responsibility.  He didn&#039;t ask for this.  All he did was play the game and retire.  He never lobbied for his number to be retired but he also never volunteered to be put in an uncomfortable situation like being a good will ambassador for Hawkins to the fans.  He took the middle ground and didn&#039;t say a single negative thing about Hawkins yet Pete likes to bring up the fact about O&#039;Neill&#039;s temper around the dugout and clubhouse.  They&#039;re all big boys on the Yankees and could handle their own problems.  They don&#039;t need a bunch of beat writers and fanboys fueling a ridiculous controversy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now O&#8217;Neill is a bad guy because he doesn&#8217;t make public statements asking fans to support Hawkins?  It&#8217;s not his responsibility.  He didn&#8217;t ask for this.  All he did was play the game and retire.  He never lobbied for his number to be retired but he also never volunteered to be put in an uncomfortable situation like being a good will ambassador for Hawkins to the fans.  He took the middle ground and didn&#8217;t say a single negative thing about Hawkins yet Pete likes to bring up the fact about O&#8217;Neill&#8217;s temper around the dugout and clubhouse.  They&#8217;re all big boys on the Yankees and could handle their own problems.  They don&#8217;t need a bunch of beat writers and fanboys fueling a ridiculous controversy.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek - RETIRE 21!!!  Moose Is The New Chet Stedman!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek - RETIRE 21!!!  Moose Is The New Chet Stedman!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm,

i woulda definately loved to see you get into this one haha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm,</p>
<p>i woulda definately loved to see you get into this one haha.</p>
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