Give up and sign Manny
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Manny Ramirez will be a free agent after the season. The Yankees should sign him just to keep him from killing them.
Manny Being Manny is an insane 52 of 110 (.473) against the Yankees since the start of the 2006 season with 12 homers and 35 RBI in 32 games. He has 53 homers and 153 RBI against the Yankees in his career.
I asked Mike Mussina last week what the Yankees have done to try and stop this. “Everything,” he said. “Nothing works.”
Check out Manny’s career splits page at Baseball-Reference.com:
He’s .320/.408/.615 in 193 career games against the Yankees and .319/.397/.597 at Yankee Stadium. A .408 career OPB against one team? That is not a small sample size, either.
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Is it wrong that I laughed at this from The Onion? Yes, but it really is funny.
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Derek Jeter sat out six games with that quad injury. The three games since: 7 for 13, 3 runs, 5 RBI, 0 strikeouts.
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How about an intentional walk now and then? Not just from the other night, but every time he comes up with men in scoring position.
No. He can go elsewhere.
nono no noooooooooooooooooooo, I like Manny but his laziest would wear on our fans, 36 yrs. old at that and looking for a long term contract noooooooooooo.
I was just going to post that article from The Onion! Hysterical – so wrong, but so damn funny.
Pete, not wrong to laugh at that. Funny is funny.
That being said, will there be a Bernie day before the Stadium closes. Bernie gets lost because of his quiet personality – he is a true yankee great and that should be recognized.
He’d be a great DH. Keep him out of the outfield.
Tonight’s game—
Mussina (2 innings) + Albadalejo (3 innings) + Traber (1 inning) + Farnsworth (2 innings) + ? (1 inning) = Loss
LOL. That Onion article was funny.
Manny is just scary.
Here we go-Russo starting to get on Wang on WFAN. Though he did give Hawkins credit
i’d sign manny
Not funny.
NO! Not my Bernie!
What will The Onion come up with next?
Sox would be nuts to let Manny go- He’s Retaaarted.
.313/.409./.593 is Manny’s line for his entire career…which is basically the exact same line he’s put up against the yankees.
He kills the yankees (an insane amount since 2006), but he does the same to every other team.
“S.o.S.27
April 16th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Prediction.
5-2 Yankees win. Tied for first. Wang 6.1 innings pitched. Buchholtz 4.2
Arod launches one. Jeter steals a base. Ortiz stays slumping. Manny watches a pop fly at the plate(thinking its a homerun)while Melky catches it. Youk cries about something.”
S.o.S./nostradamas checklist
-Yankees will win 5-2 = Close i missed a one in front of the 5 and who cares what they scored.
-Wang 6.1 innings and Buchhholz 4.2 = results Wang 4 inn
Buchholz 3.2. Way off
-Arod launches one = Yes!!
-Manny watches a pop fly at the plate(thinking its a homerun)while Melky catches it. = Not sure. Didnt watch the first half of the game. But he didnt hit a homerun so its probably close.
-Jeter steals a base. = Peter didnt tell me his hamstring is 100%.
-Ortiz stays slumping.= Yes!!
-Youk cries about something. = Poor little toe..
Thats about 50% accuracy rate. I say me and Nostradamos are similiar.
“nono no noooooooooooooooooooo, I like Manny but his laziest would wear on our fans, 36 yrs. old at that and looking for a long term contract noooooooooooo.”
Brandon-How can you say that about someone from your own backyard?
This last part of Manny’s contract is a real advantage to the sox.
They have a $20M club option for 2009 and 2010.
Manny worked out in the off season for the first time this winter. He’s already said the sox will pick up his options for 20009 and for 2010 because he intends on trying.
It would be better for Manny (and the yankees) if he were a free agent this year. That way he could sign one more long term deal.
But as it stands I’d guess the sox will pick up his 2009 option.
The sox basically have Manny under their control for the next two years as it’s their option.
They are going to have a highly motivated player for the next two years.
YOU PEOPLE MIGHT NOT KNOW THIS BUT I KNOW MANNY IVE PLAYED SOFTBALL WITH HIM IN WASHINGTON HEIGHTS AND I AM VERY GOOD FRIENDS WITH MANNY’S BROTHER AND YOU GUY SHOULD KNOW THAT MANNY HATES THE YANKEES. HE LITERALLY HATES THE YANKEES. SO MANNY GOING TO THE YANKEES IF A BIG NO NO UNLESS HE CHANGED HIS MIND WITHIN THE LAST 2 YEARS
jay destro you realize signing Manny would cost over $20 MIL especially now w/ Boras as his agent, he is 36 yrs. old, can’t field in the OF day to day, especially Yankees Stadium or 2009’s new Yankees Stadium, he’s not taking LF because that’s either Action Jackson’s spot or Melky Cabrera, he’s not taking RF because that’s Jose Tabata’s. Plus he’d be close to his old friends in Washington Heights some of them bad influences in his career.
Just the thought of him taking Alex, Melky and Robi clubbing, noooooooooooo we don’t need that.
“Brandon-How can you say that about someone from your own backyard?”
because I know him really well, that and a few of friends from 174th st. and a bunch of his home boys that work around Peligro Sports in Washington Heights.
Sign Manny – Yes!!!! (j/k, maybe??)
The Onion article was one of those where you laugh and yell at yourself for laughing at the same time. Too much!
I can’t imagine the Red Sox would let Manny go, though. And don’t you think at this point they’ve kind of settled into a groove together? I thought I read somewhere that Manny is finally okay with being in Boston. How can Boston have any complaints about what Manny does for them (albeit he’s got some quirkiness)? But if Boston doesn’t sign him, the Yankees either have to sign him themselves or pay someone else in the NL to sign him to just get him the heck out of here!!!!!
This Girardi quote was hilarious:
“that the good deed of letting a former Yankee permanently come home will be recognized by the baseball gods and will translate into Yankee victories, which will be good for the entire human race.”
No, Pete, it’s not bad to laugh. It was one of the better, and believable (!) ones I’ve seen.
I wonder if they’ll do one on #21….
I would sign Manny and make him the personal cutt off man for Damon.
LMAO on the Onion article… thanks for the link, Pete!
That being said… any word if Hank will ask the Pope to perform an exorcism at the new Stadium now?
Pete was making a joke, not an editorial statement about the Yankees signing Manny.
That Onion story is hysterical.
Looks like they only have Moose, Albie, Traber, Farnsworth and Mo available tonight.
Tough to ask Ohlendorf, Hawkins and Bruney to go back to back after their pitch loads last night.
If they lose, hopefully the chicken littles will not declare the season is over.
Once Joba gets back, the bullpen will fall back to more manageable workloads.
CB is right and Pete is wrong. Manny is not a free agent after this season (or next season) unless the Sox allow that to happen.
Now, with Boras as his agent, if Manny has a phenomenal year, you can be sure that there will be lots of off-season machinations designed to get Manny some additional guaranteed years. That said, the fact remains that if Manny plays well this season, the Sox will pick up his $20mm option for 2009 and he will not be a free agent.
Even if $20mm is a slight overpay based on the market, Manny is far too perfect a fit for the Yanks’ soon-to-be-open DH slot for the Sox to let him go unless his skills have obviously declined.
Let Manny go play for the Mets
Had to add a couple more to yesterdays list.
How do you know if your a Yankee bandwagon jumper.
32.someone who thinks that berney williams should still play for the yankees!â€
33.someone who doesnt know the name of Yankee Stadium.
34.someone who Lakers it(leaves early from games no matter what the score is).
“Yanks’ soon-to-be-open DH slot”
? Matsui and Damon will both still be on the team, as will Posada. They will all need DH time next year.
Re.: ManRam, if there was a poll to the right, I’d vote no.
Re.: Bernie. He’s always been my favorite of the 4RingsCrowd, since he came up for his cup of coffee in 1994 with those big spectacles he used to wear; but instead of burying him couldn’t we put him in a glass booth and let him gaze over the outfield instead of putting him in the ground?
Thanks for the link, Pete. I never think to waste time at the Onion, only on The Blog and the NYY links provided.
Another Sox fan who doesn’t know the Yankees roster.
DH isn’t an issue next year.
How would you like to be Astros owner Drayton McLane today?
You trade for Tejada and the next day, he is in the Mitchell Report.
Now today, Tejada announces he is 33, not 31 years old. He lied about his age to get signed when he was a kid.
‘Ya Drayton has buyers remorse yet?
That joke by Pete is really funny. The only way the Red Sox let Manny walk is if he has a bad year, which doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. Ortiz/Manny is every bit as good a duo as this game has ever seen, they’ll never break that up as long as it’s productive.
Taking Manny from the Red Sox would be the coup of the decade, then teams would give Ortiz the Bonds treatment, there’s no one on that team that’s even close. JD Drew would not protect him in the lineup
“Lesser teams would have overreacted to this whole curse thing and buried Derek Jeter.”
Thats freekin hillarious. But seriously. Can we bury Pavano?
I’d sign Manny, the Motivated Designated Hitter because he’s that good.
I think it’s sad, though, that he dogs it and only feels motivated in a “contract” year. Does he not love the game like Derek & Alex do?
He’s crazy, yet lucid enough to “try” this year because he wants to stay in the town that he wanted to escape from year after year? Aya-ya.
The Astros will regret that deal for the length of Tejada’s contract
Here is a sad story. Juan Encarnican of the Cardinals.
Remember he he got hit with a foul ball while he was in the on deck circle last year?
His playing career is over. He’s already had 5 eye surgeries (2 more recently) in Boston and he is still in Boston awaiting another surgery.
At this point, its about trying to improve his eye sight so he can have a better quality of life.
What a shame for a career to end in that way.
ANDERSON…THAT IS GREAT TO KNOW BUT GUESS WHAT…THE YANKEES HATE MANNY, YANKEE FANS HATE MANNY, SO TELL MANNY NOT TO WORRY!
Manny would never cut his hair. Hence, no deal with the Yankees.
It ain’t gonna happen.
SJ44,
Very sad story about Juan. It reminds me of the Cleveland Browns player that got hit in the eye by a flag and lost his eye sight. Wish em well.
anderson,
HOW WOULD WE KNOW THAT YOU KNOW MANNY REALLY WELL? MANNY OR HIS BROTHER SHOULD SLAP YOU UPSIDE THE HEAD FOR OPENING YOUR BIG MOUTH ABOUT MANNY’S BUSINESS.
“That said, the fact remains that if Manny plays well this season, the Sox will pick up his $20mm option for 2009 and he will not be a free agent.”
This is true but don’t get your hopes up too much about the whole situation playing out this easily.
Manny wants that option picked up – but he clearly also wants another big money deal.
The sox have leverage but if he wants to Manny could be completely disruptive if he doesn’t get his long term deal.
It’s not just machinations – there’s only one reason why manny got boras involved – to fight against the leverage the Sox have.
Boras doesn’t get anything if they just stick with the current deal.
It’s a good contract – but Manny is going to be a pain. You can count on that.
“HE LITERALLY HATES THE YANKEES. SO MANNY GOING TO THE YANKEES IF A BIG NO NO UNLESS HE CHANGED HIS MIND WITHIN THE LAST 2 YEARS”
Ask Damon if he was able to change his mind.
No to Manny. Our goal should be to have fewer DHs down the road, not more. At this rate the whole team will be DH in 2 years.
SJ –
They showed a clip of Manny as a rookie last night hitting his first Yankee stadium HR. It was like looking at a lion with its mane shorn off. Unrecognizable.
Manny is a Yankees fan and grew up in NY. I know this because I am his nanny’s nephew.
Boras and Theo are tight. Manny hired him to negotiate a new deal with the Red Sox. It will get done.
If, for whatever reason it didn’t, there is a 0% chance Manny would sign with the Yankees.
He would go back to Cleveland before he signed with the Yankees.
Its a non-story.
No Manny in NYC. There are many AL teams looking for a DH. He’ll find a home somewhere.
how about hitting him?
It was pretty nice to see Manny pose on his single that he hit over Jeter’s head last night. That a way to hustle.
“Here is a sad story. Juan Encarnican of the Cardinals.
Remember he he got hit with a foul ball while he was in the on deck circle last year?
His playing career is over. He’s already had 5 eye surgeries (2 more recently) in Boston and he is still in Boston awaiting another surgery.
At this point, its about trying to improve his eye sight so he can have a better quality of life.
What a shame for a career to end in that way.”
I’m a Cards fan – I hated that signing when they signed him, but damn, you really have to wish better for the guy.
IF WE USE ALL CAPS,,,DOES THAT MAKE US BETTER ?
i’d love for the yankees to sign Manny just so my father or i could call my red-sox fan cousin to laugh at him. and to watch rsn throw hatred at a player they once loved.
the onion sports is good, but it’s not ‘the sports hernia’...
anyone really think the sox won’t pick up his options????
SJ That is terrible.
Folks i want to throw a curve ball to you.
We have been talking about signing Texiera for over a year now. I have a better solution i think. How about passing on Tex and waiting for another player to hit free agency. Yes. Lets add another Derrek to the team. Lee IMO is the second best first baseman behind Pujols in baseball. Does anyone know when his contract is up. If its in the next couple years wouldnt it be worth playing the guys who are aging at their possitions and waiting it out?
HOPE YOUR BIRTHDAY WAS GOOD SJ. I wish they won on mine. Let alone have the offensive explosion like they did.
I got a kick out of reading the “Onion” story. The Ortiz jersey thing was funny because why did the Yankees first issue a denial that it never happened and that it was a late April fools joke? After that Hank gets all worked up and they dig it up out of the stadium.
Let Manny be Manny with the Sawx.
But you are right Pete, our guys cannot get him out. But it’s nothing new he’s been doing it for years.
SOS27 – Bury Pavano? Now THAT would curse the stadium!! I don’t want him hanging around the stadium any longer than he has to.
Burying Pavano might be worse of a curse than the Ortiz jersey.
sos, Lee would be a free-agent after the 2010 season, i believe. i’d love to have him.
to add to what Josh said (Manny’s career numbers of .313/.409/.593 show that he is just as good against everyone else), Manny’s 193-game career average is 49 HRs and 158 RBI, which makes his 53 HRs and 153 RBI in 193 games against the Yankees seem average, at least for Manny.
Manny is killing the Yankees the last two years. But since, his career averages against the Yankees almost perfectly match his career averages against everyone, the Yankees must have had Manny’s number, at least relatively speaking, until the last two years.
“The Ortiz jersey thing was funny because why did the Yankees first issue a denial that it never happened and that it was a late April fools joke? After that Hank gets all worked up and they dig it up out of the stadium.”
This is why no one on this site believe that you come here to talk about baseball.
Because you never do. At least 90% of the issues you discuss are bogus, off the field nonsense – like all your insight into Joba pumping his fists.
Nothing on this post or thread referred to at all to that Ortiz shirt nonsense.
But it’s that kind of ancillary, off the field nonsense that is the primary thing you come to this blog to comment on.
You almost never post about substantive baseball issues. That’s why people think you’re here just trolling despite your protestations.
“Burying Pavano might be worse of a curse than the Ortiz jersey.”
What if we burried him in the visitors clubhouse next to Ortiz’s jersey? Would that trump the sox jersey and jinx all that come to play the Yanks?
Happy birthday David Ortiz!
“sos, Lee would be a free-agent after the 2010 season, i believe. i’d love to have him.”
I say its worth the wait. Absolute monster offensively and defensively. We would have a player similiar to Tino in that homerun year he had.
“HE LITERALLY HATES THE YANKEES. SO MANNY GOING TO THE YANKEES IF A BIG NO NO UNLESS HE CHANGED HIS MIND WITHIN THE LAST 2 YEARSâ€
Ask Damon if he was able to change his mind.
dude is different. i asked manny why didnt you sign with the yankees, he said i CANt stand the yankees i would never play for them, his problem is personal i guess, is just like pedro wouldnt sign with the yankees, pedro wouldn’t care how much money the yankees would give him he wasnt going to the yankees no matter what and dont get me wrong people im not rooting for manny nor the red sox im a big yankees fan im just letting you people know what he really said . damon was playing for the sox bc that was his job back then
I was wondering why Girardi didn’t use Albaladejo last night, but now I kind of get it with Moose pitching tonight.
I can’t imagine the Sox not picking up his option. But there is absolutely no way, no way in hell that the Yanks sign Manny. Not a chance. And I have complete faith in Cash. He’s learned from the bad deals he’s made. Signing Manny would be as stupid as re-signing Pavano.
SJ—
Ed Wade,idiot GM of the decade had the following quote about the age thing. It amazes me that it didnt come out way before this especially since his correct birthdae is on all of his legal documents
“Fact of the matter is that he plays like he’s 25, so I don’t think it really matters a whole lot,” Wade told the newspaper. “We’re still trying to figure out Jose Cruz Sr.’s age.”
that statement by anderson isn’t completely untrue but it’s not 100 % correct, Manny when he grew up idolized Tony Fernandez and George Bell, his favorite team growing up as a kid was the Toronto BlueJays, yes Manny has always been wierd even back then, he loved the BJays because they had the most latin players on thier roster, this is why some latinos back in the early 90’s weren’t big fans of the Yankees.
I grew up hearing it from my coaches & they’d tell me the Yankees never keep thier latin players it took awhile for me to learn that was false, but just imagine the average teenager w/ no internet access and no outlet other than his own peers telling them look if your Dominican the Yankees is not the place for you….funny how times have changed since then, Alfonso Soriano, El Duque, Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera, Melky Cabrera, Robinson Cano, Bobby Abreu….that stereotype about latinos not playing for the Yankees is quickly dieing (and yes I know they’re not all Dominican).
Manny didn’t even like the Red Sox, his first choice was to play for Toronto he went for the money in Boston. And my bet is if a NY team pays him, he’d jetison so quick it’s not even funny. He stated he wanted to beat the Yanks and hated them because as he grew up he heard about latinos not getting play in NY. Not the case anymore but I still wouldn’t offer him a contract if Boston releases his rights, 24 yrs. old Manny YES, 36 hell no.
That’s sad news about Juan Encarnacion. Take nothing for granted, it can be gone in an instant.
I just watched some of the replay of last night’s game. On A-Rod’s double, did most people think it was going to be gone, because Manny sure ran after it like he thought it was a homerun—either that or he was prescient and he knew it was going to bounce.
Do you think if he was ever a Yankee, all we fans would justify his “Manny-being-Manny-ness” because of his prolific hitting? Probably so….
Why don’t we just bury Pavano’s contract?
i agree sos. bring back ensburg or something for ‘09 and ‘10
“Nothing on this post or thread referred to at all to that Ortiz shirt nonsense.”
i could be wrong, but i think the onion article is pretty much in direct response to the shirt nonsense.
Yep, Lee’s available after 2010
I dunno if the Cubs will give up on re-signing MVLee though xP
How old is Derreck Lee? Oh yeah, he will be 35 when he hits FA.
Yeah that’s the way to go. Sign a mid-30’s FA to a big money, long-term contract. That philosophy has worked out SO WELL for the Yanks in the past, sheesh.
I thought we were past this people.
anderson not to say your not legit but you said you played softball w/ Manny what park did you play in ?
My God do you people really think that this season is the first time that he has “worked out” and “tried”
This post my Mel is literally the stupidest thing that I have ever read on any baseball message board….EVER
I’d sign Manny, the Motivated Designated Hitter because he’s that good.
I think it’s sad, though, that he dogs it and only feels motivated in a “contract†year. Does he not love the game like Derek & Alex do?
He’s crazy, yet lucid enough to “try†this year because he wants to stay in the town that he wanted to escape from year after year? Aya-ya.
Is that a joke????
Look at Manny’s HOF career numbers and come back and tell us that he only “tried” because of his contract year.
Good grief
I think Pedro would have signed with the Yankees if we wanted him. 3 reasons i think of why he didnt.
1.Wanted too many years.
2.Posada
3.He would have got jumped
“I just watched some of the replay of last night’s game. On A-Rod’s double, did most people think it was going to be gone, because Manny sure ran after it like he thought it was a homerun — either that or he was prescient and he knew it was going to bounce.”
Last year defensively Manny was 28 runs worse than a league average left fielder.
That’s like subtracting 28 RBI’s from his total production.
Bill James sort of refutes his own analysis on this saying that Fenway’s left field is so strange that even the best defensive stats don’t work there for left field.
Nonetheless – Manny is a horrific left fielder. He plays the wall well in Fenway but otherwise he is awful defensively largely because of his indifference.
This is why no one on this site believe that you come here to talk about baseball.
Because you never do. At least 90% of the issues you discuss are bogus, off the field nonsense – like all your insight into Joba pumping his fists.
Nothing on this post or thread referred to at all to that Ortiz shirt nonsense.
But it’s that kind of ancillary, off the field nonsense that is the primary thing you come to this blog to comment on.
You almost never post about substantive baseball issues. That’s why people think you’re here just trolling despite your protestations.
Uhhh half the thread is about the Onion article which is about the shirt fiasco…derr….
CB
I grant you that my last post did not have substantive baseball information in it. At the same time I would mention that there are many Yankee fan posts that add the wonderful insight about such thats as how Youk looks like he is going to take a dump when he is at bat. Are you as concerned about Yankee fans posting those kind of posts?
I’m sorry if you have not seen them but I have posted many times about purely baseball matters. I don’t come on here and just say stupid things like the “yankees suck”.
CB –
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So he just misplayed the ball, period. (Or maybe he thought he was at Fenway and it was going to ricochet???
“My God do you people really think that this season is the first time that he has “worked out†and “tried—
Not tried. But it is objectively true that this off season was the first time Manny ever worked out in a structured program and made a major effort to get in shape.
Get to know your own heroes a little better….
Derek Lee signed a long term contract extension with the Cubs last season.
I didn’t see anything anywhere that states Hank went nuts over the Ortiz jersey being buried in the stadium.
Perhaps you can illuminate Ray as to where you got your info.
They took it out because it was a dumb thing for the construction worker to do, and who the hell would want to deal withthe silly news coverage over it for the next year.
The way the media covered it, you would think it (any supposed jinx) was an actual story.
It was funny but not a big deal.
Then again, its just another Red Sox fan coming in here to take shots at the Yankees. How original.
There are many, many reasons why Tex is the best fit for first base next year. Under 30, SH with power, Gold Glove defender. Solid citizen. He will also be available in a year where a ton of money comes off the books.
Its a no brainer move for the Yankees. Whether he will sign with the Braves, or want to come to the Yankees, is another deal.
From the Yankees perspective though, its not a tough call. You do the deal.
CB that is literally 100% untrue
This is the first time he has gone to that program in Arizona, but to say that he’s never made an effort to get in shape is beyond silly, even for this place.
anderson’s probably right about Manny & Pedro. The funny thing about preconceptions, though, is that they’re often wrong and rooted in ignorance.
Just ask Jose Molina the difference between perception and reality. He’s admitted that what he thought was no where near reality.
Many people don’t like the Yankees for how they treated Bernie or Joe T or lots of other things. But the fact is that the Yankees are still the creme de la creme, the classiest organization in all of sports. You’ll never hear Bernie or Joe T. or anyone well respected say anything bad about the Yankees.
I sometimes think that the Red Sox don’t DH Manny more (besides the fact that Ortiz can’t play 1b anymore) is because they are afraid his turn will come up to bat and they will find him sitting in the stands eating a hot dog and laughing with the fans.
“My God do you people really think that this season is the first time that he has “worked out†and “tried—
the first time in a loooooooooong time, learn about Manny before you call posters here out and some of us may even now Manny a bit more NY can be a place but there is a saying, it’s a small word
SOS,
Among your reason why Pedro didn’t sign with the Yankees, you left one guy out…..Jeter.
Jeter and Posada told Cashman Pedro would not be a welcome guy in the locker room.
Turned out to be a smart move because Omar wasted 52 million bucks on a guy who can barely pitch anymore.
Ironically, if Manny was ever on the market, and he would conform to Yankee rules (he won’t, just sayin’), guys on the team wouldn’t have an issue with the Yankees going after him.
Manny is nuts but, he is like an idiot savant with the bat. He’s basically a gentle soul and guys around the game like him.
Pedro can be a real jerk and not a lot of players like him. Most notably, most of the guys on the Yankees.
As for Manny, is anyone really arguing that he’s a good left fielder? He can play fenway fine because of the size, but that’s about as far as he can go. Even the Red Sox fans I talk to know Manny isn’t a good defender.
His bat is traumatizing though.
Anyone as surprised as I am that so little was made of Arod’s plunking late in the game last night?
A 3-1 count and 1st base open? That was the left shoulder blade – nearly between the numbers. NOT an inside fastball that got away.
I’m shocked more wasn’t made of it. I thought for sure that Bruney was in the extra inning for some payback. I guess not.
Maybe we have 15 games left to play this out, but I for one really wanted Manny drilled last night in retribution.
“At the same time I would mention that there are many Yankee fan posts that add the wonderful insight about such thats as how Youk looks like he is going to take a dump when he is at bat. Are you as concerned about Yankee fans posting those kind of posts?”
I think this comment is insightful because it suggest that you are posting non-substantive non-sense on this board in “retaliation” to yankee fans posting nonsense on sox boards.
That’s mature.
This is just a weak attempt to deflect the issue. I think it’s ridiculous for fans of one team to post nonsense on the boards of other teams.
But the issue here on this board is not yankee fans posting on red sox boards.
That’s not the issue at all. The issue is you because you chose to post here.
You make a lot of posts. I’ve read them. Very, very few are substantive points on baseball. The vast majority of them are non-sense related to off field issues.
Hank Steinbrenner’s “mouth”, Roger Clemens, Joba’s “fist pumping,” etc.
The vast majority of your posts are related to this garbage.
On this thread you could have actually made a substantive contribution to an important point in the AL East race for the current and upcoming years – Manny’s return to the sox.
But you chose not to make any type of baseball related comment.
Instead you chose to provide searing insight into the crucial issue of a david ortiz jersey.
That’s why your protestations that you are not here trolling but rather here to discuss baseball are just empty words.
I’ve read your posts. They are very infrequently about baseball.
And then you get all worked up when people say you are a troll on this board. You just couch it in much more placid language.
the first time in a loooooooooong time, learn about Manny before you call posters here out and some of us may even now Manny a bit more NY can be a place but there is a saying, it’s a small word
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I don’t want to get into a pissing contest….but I would love to know how somebody puts up HOF numbers for over a decade without “trying” or working out.
no thank you. dont want manny. not even a little bit.
“Many people don’t like the Yankees for how they treated Bernie or Joe T or lots of other things. But the fact is that the Yankees are still the creme de la creme, the classiest organization in all of sports. You’ll never hear Bernie or Joe T. or anyone well respected say anything bad about the Yankees.”
I agree. Not too many teams would have signed a .249 hitter with 12 homeruns to be their DH, and yet that’s what the Yankees did with Bernie in ‘06.
He wasn’t trying to hit Arod. The pitch got away from him.
Every time a guy gets hit, it doesn’t mean he was being thrown at.
He wasn’t even trying to throw it inside. The pitch ran wildly off the plate. It happens.
From a game standpoint, it would make no sense to hit Arod at that point. The game was still in doubt.
“but to say that he’s never made an effort to get in shape is beyond silly, even for this place.”
That’s not what i wrote. I wrote the first time he’s participated in a structured work out program. So yes I was referring to something like what he did in Arizona.
Manny is a great hitter. But to somehow suggest that he kills himself working out in the off season is a fallacy.
Manny himself has joked about that. He’s even said himself that this off season he approached working out in a much more serious, organized, systematic way.
Good for Manny- he’s going to have a huge year.
But this off season was very, very different for him in terms of preparation.
This is what you said CB…
Manny worked out in the off season for the first time this winter. He’s already said the sox will pick up his options for 20009 and for 2010 because he intends on trying.
Maybe you should have phrased it better if that’s not what you meant.
I like Manny. But I wouldn’t want the Yankees to sign him for more than 1-2 years. And he won’t be available for 1-2 years.
“I don’t want to get into a pissing contest….but I would love to know how somebody puts up HOF numbers for over a decade without “trying†or working out.”
he’s naturally gifted, one of the most naturally gifted hitters in baseball’s time. If he would have worked harder he could have gone down as a NY iconic legend. The thing about Manny is always his work ethic, he hasn’t had the same work ethic since 1 yr. one on the Indians, if you would have seen how hardworking he was as a teen and in his early 20’s you’d understand.
the yanks should sign manny, trade for uncle mitly, delmon young and elijah dukes and have the all gangsta outfield. that would be….gangsta
“Yankees first-year coach Joe Girardi”
To Onion,
Football and basketball teams have a coach, baseball teams have a manager.
I meant yr. 1 on the Indians* plus I wish you would have seen how hard a worker he was in G-Dubs.
Aaron,
That’s how talented Manny is. Puts up HOF numbers without even trying. Imagine what kind of outfielder he’d be if he ran a little harder. Imagine how many more hits he’d have if we ran a little harder to first. Imagine how many doubles he’d have if he wasn’t standing in the plate watching the ball…drop into the field of play.
No one said Manny’s not a HOF or not talented or not a good guy. We’re saying what the Sox have known for years, he’ll show up when he’s good and ready.
How many years did it take for Boston to realize that Manny’s going to show up at ST when he wants to. Remember the grandma’s sick routine? The fancy car auction? We’re not making this stuff up, so please don’t be sensitive. It’s Manny being Manny.
And don’t call me stupid, I spent a lot of time trying to point out without actually saying it that Manny’s the best hitter in the game.
We try to be civil here. It makes the world a better place.
Manny would for sure be welcome in the Yankees locker room. jack Curry has a brief piece today in the Times (you can find it online in the blog to the left) and Arod and Jeter are very complimentary and Arod and Manny are friends. You cannot compare Pedro’s relationship with the Yankees to Manny in any way shape or form.
“Maybe you should have phrased it better if that’s not what you meant.”
No. Maybe you should read more carefully and not be so angry.
Who made you the cop of this blog? Why are you here?
You’re not reading anything I’m writing objectively because you are yet another angry sox fan who has a massive chip on his shoulder.
I think Manny is a great, great hitter. One of the best I’ve ever seen. Case closed.
Why are you so antagonistic towards someone who is supporting one of your players?
I was referring to the structured program Manny participated in this year – the type of program ARod does every year.
So it is true that this year was entirely different than prior years.
When I post comments here I’m not writing to appease the red sox audience who for some reason feels the dire need to read this blog. I’m writing for other yankee fans. So the precise specifications of the ins and outs of manny’s life aren’t a real concern.
What is true is that his off season regimen was a big change from what he was doing before. That is true.
Calm down.
SteveHow –
I think if it had been Paplebon and not Aardsma there would have been more juice to it. I always wonder if A-Rod still wants a piece of Varitek – - – it is early.
For all the Red Sox vs. Yankees fights, curses and mutual fan hatred, how about the Yanks donating the excavated jersey to the Jimmy Fund to be auctioned off for a cancer research charity. Classy by the Yankee organization.
“From the Yankees perspective though, its not a tough call. You do the deal [for Tex].”
No doubt about it. People are wasting their time if they are worrying about monetary, health, or ability issues. This guy is the total package. The only obstacle is his willingness to come to the Yankees.
Maybe because I am biased but who would turn down a large paycheck and a chance to play for the #1 franchise in the world?
I didn’t really question pitching to Manny last weekend when it happened, but if Moose really made that comment as Pete wrote, then I really have to question the move….
to the best of my knowledge, coming from a mutual friend i have with manny, he has always worked out in the offseason.
maybe not in a structured way… be he works out and is generally in pretty good shape.
“I asked Mike Mussina last week what the Yankees have done to try and stop this. “Everything,†he said. “Nothing works.â€
manny sees the ball and hits the ball. mussina is always trying to trick him. how do you trick someone who doesn’t remember the last pitch?
manny is too smart a hitter to bother thinking.
mussina is too dumb a pitcher to stop thinking.
“I sometimes think that the Red Sox don’t DH Manny more (besides the fact that Ortiz can’t play 1b anymore) is because they are afraid his turn will come up to bat and they will find him sitting in the stands eating a hot dog and laughing with the fans.”
thats gold jerry, gold !
Nah, I hope he stays with Boston, playing the game with rivals like him makes it way more interesting, the Yankees should stop signing players that crush them.
Signing Manny will kill 2 birds with 1 stone. It breaks up the deadly Ortiz-Manny combo while giving the Yankees a clutch hitter who NEVER seems phased by pressure.
It’s also realistic since all those contracts will be coming off the Yankees’ books at the end of this season.
Say goodbye to Giambi, Krazy Kyle, Mussina, Hawkins, Abreu, Pettitte, & Pavano.
The only 2 names from above who might be brought back are Pettitte & Abreu. If Abreu is not brought back, Manny can be part of a platoon where he plays RF & DH.
The impact of losing Manny can clearly be seem right now with Manny carrying the team while Ortiz struggles mightily.
I love that people complain about the history of the Yanks signing veterans who are past their prime…
that has been the main criticism of how the yankees have fallen from grace.
then when asked if the yanks should get manny, who will be 37 next season, people say “no doubt, sign him”
if they sign manny, be ready for poor defense and sub-par #s (for him). i dont care if he worked out this offseason or is off to a decent start, he isnt going to hit like he did in his prime. he will be an excellent player still, but why pay top dollar for declining, aging talent AND an injury risk who has questions about his commitment????
mark my words. i will clean the egg off my face if im wrong, but i dont expect it to happen.
Not for nothing, the Yankees are always playing the Crock Sox (regular season and playoffs). That’s why Manny has such a good record against us. If he played Texas as much as he played us, the same would be true as well. I’m not impressed by this at all.
And for the record – the day Manny Ramirez becomes a Yankee is the day I walk away from the team for good. His behavior at the plate and his lousy play in the field is a disgrace to the game and we don’t need him wearing pinstripes.
Manny in pinstripes? That would be a disgrace to say the least.
p.s. dont forget the beloved draft picks involved in signing a type A free agent
i believe signing Manny would cost the yanks their first rd pick
Oh Peter. Its great and all that you bring up a topic of what ifs. But can we try to stay away from bringing up red sox players going to the Yankees? Its brings out the trolls/red sox fans. This doesnt apply to sox fans who arent exclusively here just to tick yankee fans off.
Poll. What was a funnier moment?
a.Manny cutting off the Damon throw against us.
b.Conseco having the ball hit his noggin and going over the fense for a homerun.
SoS,
Canseco takes the cake but the manny play isnt that far behind
they both bring a laugh everytime i think of them
Dee
they are talking about the fight you saw at the Stadium on the Fan
Oh dear. Ok, another stats lesson.
Manny’s career OBP is .409. There is nothing special whatsoever about Manny’s numbers against the Yankees. He’s a great hitter. Pointing out his numbers against the Yankees is doing a major disservice to casual fans.
“Youk looks like he is going to take a dump when he is at bat”
I’m not being a smart ass, but I’ve never looked at it that way (but there are those who love their toilet humor).
I always thought he looked like a girlie pinup from the old days. When stupid DirecTV doesn’t give me HD, that’s how I can tell who is at the plate (if I just walked in on the game). That being said, it’s amazing how unique some of these batting stances are.
“Poll. What was a funnier moment?”
b.Conseco having the ball hit his noggin and going over the fense for a homerun.
ANYTHING hitting that jerk’s head/body gets my vote!!!!!
Just for the record, and to clear up my position, I understood Pete was joking and no way do I want the Yankees to sign Manny. (I just don’t want him batting against the Yankees anymore!)
I don’t know about you guys, but the last thing I want is for the Red Sox to suck, fall into 3rd or 4th place, and make baseball uninteresting for every fan out there.
Red Sox – Yankees is what keeps baseball going and it’s what fans want to see. If either team is playing poorly or falls out of contention, it lessens the importance of the games and lessens the passion in the rivalry. I’d rather see 18 amazing games, with timely hitting and pitching from both sides, and go 9-9 than win 14 of those games by crushing the Red Sox.
I always root, every year, for the Red Sox to make the playoffs. If the Yankees have wrapped up 1st place, I want the Red Sox to get the Wild Card more than anything else. There is nothing better than playing the Sox in the ALCS, win or lose.
I know many of you just plain hate the Red Sox, but that’s not the case for me. I like to beat them. I love defeating them, it’s great. But I want to lose some now and again so that when we win, like in the 2003 ALCS or pushing the Sox to 3rd in Boston Massacre II, it tastes that much sweeter.
Boston Dave,
I have to go with the Manny one. Im busting up thinking about it as i type. Reason being is that he had no business being their. It was hillarious to see Damons reaction and Manny just laughing it off. I have to say it was a hell of a cuttoff from manram. That my friends was the perfect example of Manny being Manny.
“I always wonder if A-Rod still wants a piece of Varitek”
Not a fan of baseball brawls and I’m a little ashamed to admit that during the Varitek run down play last night, I was thinking Alex tagging him in the face with the mitt would have made me smile a little.
my vote: manny’s cutoff
myrtlefan –
I agree, it wouldn’t be much of a rivalry if they weren’t so well matched. But I stop short of wanting the Red Sox to get the wild card. Once the Yankees have won the division, I don’t want any part of another Yankees/Red Sox bigger-than-life series. The playoffs are big enough without the added drama, thank you.
myrtlebeach
The sox will always “suck” no matter how good they are.
I also see them being a really good team even down the road without Manny and Papi.
sorry – myrtlebeachfan.
Had to add a couple more to yesterdays list.
“I don’t know about you guys, but the last thing I want is for the Red Sox to suck, fall into 3rd or 4th place”
3rd and 4th place? Hell. Last place every year would make it even better.
How do you know if your a Yankee bandwagon jumper.
32.someone who thinks that berney williams should still play for the yankees!â€
33.someone who doesnt know the name of Yankee Stadium.
34.someone who Lakers it(leaves early from games no matter what the score is).
35.People who dont want to see the red sox fail.
Just giving you a hard time.
“I always wonder if A-Rod still wants a piece of Varitekâ€
That has Pay Per View written all over it. The under card would be those two posters i think flam and frits. Helping out guys. I’d buy that for a dollar.
“Maybe because I am biased but who would turn down a large paycheck and a chance to play for the #1 franchise in the world?”
How much does it suck that Maddux would (did) and Pavano wouldn’t?????? UGH!
SoS
“Bernie” Willaims can we at least spell his name right.
gotta keep ya honest.
jimmy27,
What did they say??
Manny worked out in the off season for the first time this winter. He’s already said the sox will pick up his options for 20009 and for 2010 because he intends on trying.——————————————————————————————
CB that is what you said, it’s not my place to try and figure out what you really meant. You got called out for saying something silly and instead of admitting you’re playing the whole Red Sox fan troll angle which is what gets done here when people’s opinions get challenged.
It’s not a big deal, but at least accept that you said something silly and incomplete instead of trying to turn it around on me and change the subject.
CB,
I guess Aaron did want a pissing match and left when he realized he wasn’t going to get one. The keyboard is indeed mightier than the sword (sorry Rebecca!).
Either that or he had something better & more productive to do. On that note, I’m going to go be productive.
Looking forward to a win tonight, Don Vito! 3 down, 4 to go.
“The under card would be those two posters i think flam and frits.”
so true
SJ – thanks for the response, though I disagree with your opinion on Aardsma’s pitch. I played 4 years of college ball, pitched myself, and can tell you that Aardsma’s toss had purpose. Don’t assume that because Varitek is setting up on the outside corner that Aardsma didn’t have a plan there. These things are discussed in the dugout in between innings.
Maybe the Sox have some reasons to give it back to Arod – though I think we can all agree maybe Boras needs a fastball to the ass more thsn Arod for the Game 4 WS move.
Anyway, respect your opinion, but disagree. he was plunked, plain and simple. Pitches that get away from RH pitchers dont hit the middle of the batter’s back. Give MLB hurlers more credit than that.
How about what would have happened had the Red Sox been successful in signing Mike Mussina and the Yankees had signed Manny Ramirez? Or, what would have happened had the Yankees claimed Manny off of waivers in 2003 when the Sox put him on there to shut him up?
Perhaps the Sox wouldn’t have won 2 world series in the new century while the Yankees stand by and watch helplessly.
jimmy27,
the sox have one of the best farm systems (supposedly) for position players. they’ll be able to replace manny and ortiz eventually and have the finances to sign guys via FA. I am confused as to how they rank higher than the Yanks who have more top-notch prospects IMO (I suppose I could be biased)
both the yanks and sox will be very good for the forseeable future…
Dee,
fight broke out down left field line- haymakers thrown- big guy throws someone over the railing.
I assumed last night that it was not over a “high” railing- just one separating sections, right?
Ps going to the game tonight- getting too old to deal with that BS – “having discussion” is one thing fight are another.
Both camps are to blame
Hunter Dog,
no doubt. you can play that game with thousands of scenarios though.
For you minor league junkies…..
Trenton beat New Britain 7-4 this afternoon.
With the score tied at 3 in the 7th, Austin Jackson doubled and scored on a Jose Tabata single for the go ahead run.
Eric Wordkemper pitched a scoreless 9th for the save. He’s starting to pitch better after starting off very slowly.
Charleston will be in Savannah tonight. They are 12-1 to start the season.
If any of you get a chance to see them play this year, go for it. They may be the best team in all of Minor league baseball this season.
They are certainly the most entertaining. Especially, for Yankee fans.
There could be as many as 10 legitimate, major league prospects on that team.
Also, if you do watch them play, watch them at home Charleston is a nice city, a beautiful ballpark, and they draw really well with all the crazy promotions they do.
Its a fun day or night at the ballpark.
“How much does it suck that Maddux would (did) and Pavano wouldn’t?????? UGH!”
Fredo,
Im not sure if your talking about Gregs free agent year signing with Atlanta. But a couple years ago when he signed with L.A. ESPN had him signed with us. That sucked that it was false. He could have helped with all the rash of injuries we endured.
“SoS
“Bernie†Willaims can we at least spell his name right.
gotta keep ya honest.”
Man i better stop this. The more and more i add. The more i convince myself that im one of them.
I’m sure this has already been pointed out, but I don’t have time to read through 140 posts.
“A .408 career OPB (sic) against one team? That is not a small sample size, either.”
Manny has a career .409 OBP, so that .408 is exactly what you would expect. People seem to focus in on guys from the Sox who hit the Yankees well and say “the Yankees can’t get them out!,” but seem to forget that they are great hitters to begin with.
He has an OBP at or around .400 against every team in the AL.
Boston Dave,
I agree Pedroia, Ellsbury, Lowrie, Youkilis will be there for a while too…not to mention the pitchers…
But still, they’ll always “suck”
Also keeping an eye on Gabbard and wishing he’s better than Laptop – for spite reasons
jimmy,
It was the furthest back railing in front of the back wheelchair section, so higher than the usual section divider. I agree, both camps at fault, it was a pathetic sight.
Have fun at the game tonight. Go Yanks!
Manny will not be a free agent. He has 2 option years that the Suxs will definitely pick up. Yanks can sign him like they do with every old fart when he is 40.
Come to think of it. Whoever said that Manny would never sign with us are absolutely correct. We dont have a urinal in the outfield for Manny to run to between innings.
Hunter Dog:
Interesting point on the Ramirez/Mussina thing. Yankees certainly got the better of that choice from ‘01-’03 when Mussina was a true workhorse with top of the rotation capabilities he brought from Baltimore while the Sox and Ramirez were eating the Yanks dust. Don’t want to say Moose has fallen off the cliff since, but he’s been a 4.50 ERA guy since the start of ‘04 and has averaged about 170 IP (rather than the 220 he averaged from ‘01-’03). Tables have turned somewhat.
myrtlebeachfan ,
I fall into the 90+% of Yankee fans that root for 2 teams…. the Yankees and whoever is playing the Red Sox. Baseball is the greatest game ever invented and is fascinating with or without the Red Sox even existing.
Here’s to another 86 year drought for the wannabe’s from Beantown!
Ok first of all… Manny to the Yankees is a waste of time talking about. It will never happen for so many reasons. First of all, there is NO WAY the Sox don’t pick up his option for 2009. If he plays well next year …boom 2010 option is picked up. Its only a one year commitment each time for them. Its a no-brainer. Manny will be motivated each season, won’t take time off due to mysterious injuries, and will probably have big years for the next 3 years. On the bright side, Big Papi looks like he’s fading fast so it’ll be much easier to pitch around one guy (Manny) than 2 guys back-to-back. Unless Ortiz gets back to his old self the Yankees should never let Manny beat them. Just don’t pitch to the guy. How many times do they have to pay in order to see that? I think Pete sometimes posts threads just to get a lot of comments and hits and this may be one of them.
Regarding Texiera, at first I was all for signing him. Then I started to think about our roster. How many aging veterans could possibly use the switch to first base in the next few years? Posada? Jeter? maybe Damon? And with the way Jesus Montero is mashing in the minors I wouldn’t be surprised to see him late 2009 or at least sometime in 2010 if he continues to develop. Obviously the Yankees are trying to develop him as a catcher but he may get too big and they may have to switch him to first base. Bottom line, the guy crushes the ball. So I think the Yankees will have plenty of options for first base in the coming years. I feel that a 6-7 year deal for Texiera, no matter how good he is (model citizen, switch hitter), will likely block someone else from playing. Basically I don’t think they need him and shouldn’t sign him. No matter how much money is coming off the books, it doesn’t matter. Use that money to keep Abreu, upgrade the bullpen especially if Joba is a full time starter. A 6-7 year deal for Texiera just doesn’tmake as much sense as it did last year or even earlier this year.
check out the video Pete links to on the new thread… classic
A part of me wishes I had the ability to hate Manny. He’s a Yankee killer…doesn’t look like he’s trying hard enough sometimes…the homerun posing…but for some reason, maybe it’s his goofy/gentle nature, I admire him greatly as a ball player. The man is simply unreal at the plate. Maybe because he DOESN’T play for us, it’s easier for me to “forgive” his faults. Because if he was a Yankee and pulled some of his “Manny being Manny” stuff, ugh, it’d be horrible.
SoS:
Yeah, I was talking the 1997 offseason when the Yanks made a run at him and he chose Atlanta.
miggs,
the Sox do prob keep Manny, however, it’s possible they might trade him for a package of top prospects if someone offers. If the Mets panic and offer Martinez or another team decides they want to sign Manny to an extension, it could happen. The Sox would have to consider offers IF they do not plan to sign him after the option years.
Also, Manny hiring Boras as his agent is great, but it doesn’t really mean much. Boras isn’t going to make the Sox magically forget about the 2 option years and sign him to a 5 year deal. It just won’t happen.
Manny can ask for a trade or say he isn’t happy but he does that like once every year… who actually takes that seriously?
You never make decisions on your ML roster based on who is playing in A ball.
If Montero moves quickly, they will find a place for him.
If he stalls, which can happen, and you make ML personnel moves based on his rapid move through the system, you hurt yourself bigtime.
You can never have too many good players.
The Yankees are fortunate to be able to have their cake and eat it too. Why not do so?
If they sign Tex in the off-season, it doesn’t affect any move by Montero.
If he is truly a hitting savant, a la Miguel Cabrera, they will do what the Marlins did. Find a place for him.
wood is good,
if it helps you “hate” him, he has cheated on his wife more times than any of us can count. not exactly a family man.
tis true (of many ballplayers
)
“Regarding Texiera, at first I was all for signing him. Then I started to think about our roster. How many aging veterans could possibly use the switch to first base in the next few years? Posada? Jeter?”
Good to see you here my twim Bro. I cant agree with you more.
Hey. I guess Giambi showed some good signs yesterday? Im still not sold though. He’s like a cheating girlfriend. Cant ever be the same after they dissapoint you time and time again. All i think of is what day is the day he goes on the d.l.
BTW. Never had a cheating girlfriend. Atleast none that i know off.
The other issue with Tex is the Yankees don’t really have anyone above low A that is a true high ceiling first base prospect. I guess Miranda can become an excellent hitter but is not known for his glove.
The A ball guys are not really first baseman, Montero and Laird. They may pan out at their respective popsitions of catcher and third, maybe not.
Either way, Tex for awhile does not block any youngsters coming up. As for current Yankees to transition over to first is a different story – Posada, Jeter (although he may go to the outfield).
A reasonable number of years with outrageous money for Tex is ideal. It also probably (not definately) leaves Abreu out and the youn guns to play the outfield.
miggs,
“the Sox do prob keep Manny, however, it’s possible they might trade him for a package of top prospects if someone offers. If the Mets panic and offer Martinez or another team decides they want to sign Manny to an extension, it could happen. The Sox would have to consider offers IF they do not plan to sign him after the option years.”
Sorry Boston Dave I have to disagree here. You don’t trade one of the most feared hitters in the game unless you’re out of contention or his contract is killing your payroll.
Knowing Boston, they will be in the race for the next 2 years, and we know the money isn’t an issue. But that’s not even really the point. The Sox have NO RISK here. They go year to year and Manny has to perform each year. Its a great situation for them.
That is awful and at the same time incredibly funny. If I had a drink in my mouth it would have sprayed the room.
so Billy Eppler is at it again, he found Brian Bruney and got Chad Moeller
Its not easy to just make guys first basemen. We have ample history in seeing that already.
No matter who you decide to try and make into a first baseman, they won’t be as good as Tex.
I can’t see Jeter being a first baseman at all. Posada? Maybe but, not for the next few years, if at all.
miggs,
this most feared hitter turns 37 next season and is going to slow down eventually – but will still want to be paid as if he were in his prime. I imagine the Sox would listen to offers if a team wants to overpay with top youngsters. I’m not saying it’s likely. We’ll have to see how things like this offseason. Manny may pull some crap in an effort to get an extension from the Sox. Who knows what stunts Boras will pull?
Don’t assume he’ll be there in 2010.
Jason:
Haven’t seen too many who believe Montero’s MLB position is Catcher. Of course, if he can be borderline average, the Yanks have demonstrated they’ll settle for marginal defense at the position if they are getting a big bat, so who knows?
how things look* this offseason
“so Billy Eppler is at it again, he found Brian Bruney and got Chad Moeller”
Note sure who Billy is. But we have to give Cashman and his boys credit when it comes to backup catchers. He trades for Molina and gets some production from Moeller to my surprise. Im very impressed with these guys taking over the roll after the starter gets hurt and not having us skip a beat.
Jimmy27, two guys were thrown from the mezzanine. one guy was thrown twice. they were all ok. my season tickets are right there and my friend was sitting in the seats last night. she witnessed the entire thing.
lots of fighting gonig on in the upper deck on the right field line as well. lot’s of beer was getting tossed.
Yeah, but a lot of people are impressed with the amount of time and effort Montero has put in to improve defensively.
To me he is just too big, and too good a hitter to put behind the plate. Besides we have some outstanding catchers progressing with him i.e. Romine who is now up over 300 on the amazing team.
He is several years away, as stated before sign Tex and deal with the youngsters later.
you should hear Cashman on Micheal Kay’s show he gave the Charleston team his seal of approval and said there are high ceiling guys down there that NY doesn’t know about. He gave Tabata and Action some props, Tabata is the youngest player on the Eastern League roster. He loves Brett refered to him as a burner and we haven’t had anyone like this since Neon Deion Sanders. Shelley is ripping AA he gave Horne and Marquez some props. ...I think Cash is on to something here.
Well SJ44 I guess this is one issue we differ on. No big deal. I just look at all the long contracts we have here, what lack of flexibility it gives us, and I don’t think its worth it. Tex will demand at least a 6 year deal. Is Posada still going to be catching in 2 years? Jeter at short? All I’m saying is that its easier to transition to first base than almost any position and you see veterans doing it all the time. I’m not buying the whole “its not that easy to transition a guy to first base.” Its much easier than transitioning to most other positions.
Plus I didn’t even mention Juan Miranda, partially because he’s had a disappointing start to the year. He’s a first baseman or DH, nothing else. And where else are you going to move Montero? The guy is 18 years old and already 6’4” 230. You gonna move him to shortstop? second base? The logical place for him if he can’t catch is first base. And he’s no ordinary A-ball guy, I think we all know that. I’d be shocked if he’s not on the roster sometime in 2010, which would be year 2 of Tex’s 6-7 year deal.
Basically Texiera will create another logjam on our roster, and a 6-7 year logjam. I just don’t think we need him.
I miss Gonzo
miggs,
I tend to agree with you that signing a new 1b isnt a top priority. I certainly wont lose sleep if they do sign Tex though. He seems to be one of the lower risk FA that could hit the market.
“the logical position for montero is DH.”
Don’t we already have 5-6 DH’s? Plus when a guy is young you want to be able to use him in the field. Who wants to handicap themselves with a 22 year old DH? Let one of the 35-36 year olds we will (no doubt) have on our roster at that time man the DH role.
thanks ABK
but no thanks to whoever deciced to leave Matsui out of the lineup.
miggs,
anti-mussina, as always, has come here to create a stir. engage at your own risk.
Don’t know if Montero’s catching defense inproves much if he’s splitting the gig with Romine. Montero is tearing up Low A (though the 10K/2BB may be slightly bothersome). He’s young for the level, but to get him more consistent work,maybe a trip to Tampa is in order. Either he or Romine should move up.
Boston Dave I know, I couldn’t help it.
with giambi, matsui, damon gone by 2010, you have an open spot as DH. plenty of teams have an actual dh who does nothing but hit, and don’t use it as a rehab/rest spot. you think a guy like miranda would work there?
All the reports about Montero not being able to make it at catch are based on his size. There are PLENTY of huge catchers, so thats not a problem. He has improved a lot behind the plate as well.
Montero is beastly, though, so the Yankees need to get him to the majors as soon as he is ready. Damn the positions!
Re: The Onion
They should bury Paulie. It would several problems.
I say sign Manny. I was thinking about it just last night. But he might veto the deal since he’d have to cut his hair.
And Joe Morgan is still incomprehensible, even with Obie trying to translate his musings into Earth-language.
SOLVE. I left out the word SOLVE.
What ever happened to that editing feature that appeared for a day or two a few weeks ago?
signing supposed Boston lifers does never get old. with the OF/DH glut loosing up next year, why not?
I think its a safe bet that the Red Sox resign Manny.
Sign Manny, please, please, please.
No doubt. he is more valuable and consistent than A-rod, who is so weak in pay-off season.
However, I don’t think Red Sox will let him go.
god no, i despise Manny Ramirez. great hitter, kills the Yankees. But the not running out ground balls, not paying attention in the field, etc. – he’s not a Yankee.
I’d suggest a nice, low-interest loan to the Marlins so they can sign him and get him out of the AL