Comments on: Two TDs later, Yankees top Sox http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/ A New York Yankees blog by Sam Borden, Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:58:41 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jeremy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/comment-page-1/#comment-313885 Jeremy Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:38:33 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/#comment-313885 I was going to write about Pete's excuse of Wang's performance last night (it wasn't Wang's fault, it was just simmering offenses exploding!), thought better of it, and then saw this post. Now I can't resist. Apparently, Wang's performance had nothing to do with his pitch selection or execution. It had to do with a predetermined outcome for this game that no mortal man could escape. There was something in the air that caused both teams' hitters to hit very well. Or perhaps there was something in the water. The Sox have some great hitters. But isn't the ability to keep a good team from scoring lots of runs a qualification for being an ace? The notion that no pitcher could have kept the Sox from scoring 8 runs in 4 innings in that game is absurd and reeks of partiality toward Wang. Wang had a bad game. He has them sometimes. He can still be a very good pitcher and have the occasional lousy performance; coming up with excuses for his bad outings based on destiny or predetermined outcomes does him no favors. I was going to write about Pete’s excuse of Wang’s performance last night (it wasn’t Wang’s fault, it was just simmering offenses exploding!), thought better of it, and then saw this post. Now I can’t resist.

Apparently, Wang’s performance had nothing to do with his pitch selection or execution. It had to do with a predetermined outcome for this game that no mortal man could escape. There was something in the air that caused both teams’ hitters to hit very well. Or perhaps there was something in the water.

The Sox have some great hitters. But isn’t the ability to keep a good team from scoring lots of runs a qualification for being an ace?

The notion that no pitcher could have kept the Sox from scoring 8 runs in 4 innings in that game is absurd and reeks of partiality toward Wang. Wang had a bad game. He has them sometimes. He can still be a very good pitcher and have the occasional lousy performance; coming up with excuses for his bad outings based on destiny or predetermined outcomes does him no favors.

]]> By: jon http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/comment-page-1/#comment-313596 jon Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:02:46 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/#comment-313596 Hi Taiwan, Please keep posting! It's great to have fans from around the world. "Two TDs" is a reference to (American) football. A touchdown (TD) is worth 7 points. The Yankees scored 15 runs so that's more than two TD worth of runs. Hi Taiwan,

Please keep posting! It’s great to have fans from around the world.

“Two TDs” is a reference to (American) football. A touchdown (TD) is worth 7 points. The Yankees scored 15 runs so that’s more than two TD worth of runs.

]]> By: jon http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/comment-page-1/#comment-313593 jon Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:01:09 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/#comment-313593 I get it now. When Wang pitches well, he's an ace. When he doesn't (against the same team, 5 days later), it's because Cy Young himself couldn't stop a team that mashes like that. Kind of like how Chad Moeller is the best hitter in history - when he gets hits, he's always on base, scoring runs, driving them in. Except when he doesn't. In those cases, you can't blame him because the pitcher did well. I get it now. When Wang pitches well, he’s an ace. When he doesn’t (against the same team, 5 days later), it’s because Cy Young himself couldn’t stop a team that mashes like that.

Kind of like how Chad Moeller is the best hitter in history – when he gets hits, he’s always on base, scoring runs, driving them in. Except when he doesn’t. In those cases, you can’t blame him because the pitcher did well.

]]> By: Taiwan http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/comment-page-1/#comment-313562 Taiwan Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:23:37 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/#comment-313562 Sorry first ..What is "Two TDs " Please someone help to explain I was so sad of Wang's outing yesterday...It's not Wang's day.. But Wang must be very upset.. Wang Go go go ...You don't be sad, you can rebound soon... We Taiwanese in Taiwan still support you whatever any chance to get Cy Award .. You have to win for Yankees and make a long start of a game ...it's the purpose of job .. you always mentioned to reporter of Taiwan.. I just want to finish your job and help to Yankees win We Taiwanese are looking forward to seeing your next qualified start ... Chia Yo ..Chien Ming Wang Fans from Taiwan Sorry first ..What is “Two TDs ” Please someone help to explain

I was so sad of Wang’s outing yesterday…It’s not Wang’s day..
But Wang must be very upset..

Wang Go go go …You don’t be sad, you can rebound soon…

We Taiwanese in Taiwan still support you whatever any chance to get Cy Award ..

You have to win for Yankees and make a long start of a game …it’s the purpose of job ..

you always mentioned to reporter of Taiwan..
I just want to finish your job and help to Yankees win

We Taiwanese are looking forward to seeing your next qualified start …

Chia Yo ..Chien Ming Wang

Fans from Taiwan

]]> By: Taylor http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/comment-page-1/#comment-313563 Taylor Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:23:37 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/#comment-313563 Your not sure if Cy Young himself would have survived on this night? The reason the offenses did so well is because the two starting pitchers tonight didn't have it. I love Wang, but I've never seen someone defend anyone as much as you with Wang, and it's painfully obvious it is 100% because of your book. Your not sure if Cy Young himself would have survived on this night? The reason the offenses did so well is because the two starting pitchers tonight didn’t have it. I love Wang, but I’ve never seen someone defend anyone as much as you with Wang, and it’s painfully obvious it is 100% because of your book.

]]> By: Steve http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/comment-page-1/#comment-313549 Steve Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:53:06 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/#comment-313549 Hawkins ERA so far has been really skewed by his appearance in Kennedy's first start. He throws strikes like whoa. Hawkins ERA so far has been really skewed by his appearance in Kennedy’s first start. He throws strikes like whoa.

]]> By: george http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/comment-page-1/#comment-313537 george Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:27:07 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/#comment-313537 good results by Hawkins. i hope i'm wrong, but i'm rather skeptical he'll keep it up- to my untrained eye, it seemed like the Red Sox should have been slamming some of those pitches that were up and not moving much. i guess i wonder if it was good pitching, or the Red Sox hitting badly? good results by Hawkins. i hope i’m wrong, but i’m rather skeptical he’ll keep it up- to my untrained eye, it seemed like the Red Sox should have been slamming some of those pitches that were up and not moving much. i guess i wonder if it was good pitching, or the Red Sox hitting badly?

]]> By: V http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/comment-page-1/#comment-313533 V Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:23:05 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/#comment-313533 "lets hope for 3+ good innings from Mussina. I don’t care how good your command is, a “fast”ball that tops out at in the mid 80s is going to get you killed the second time through a red sox type line up. he doesn’t have an out pitch anymore. i’m a great admirer of what Moose has done for us in the past, but he doesn’t need to be starting anymore." What's Maddux's 'out pitch'? Jamie Moyer's? “lets hope for 3+ good innings from Mussina. I don’t care how good your command is, a “fast”ball that tops out at in the mid 80s is going to get you killed the second time through a red sox type line up. he doesn’t have an out pitch anymore. i’m a great admirer of what Moose has done for us in the past, but he doesn’t need to be starting anymore.”

What’s Maddux’s ‘out pitch’?

Jamie Moyer’s?

]]> By: StandingO'Neil http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/comment-page-1/#comment-313513 StandingO'Neil Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:45:40 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/#comment-313513 Raphy, the numbers may be the same, but he is pitching like a different pitcher. He's pounding the strikezone and not nibbling around as much. That could all change but so far he does seem much improved. Raphy, the numbers may be the same, but he is pitching like a different pitcher. He’s pounding the strikezone and not nibbling around as much. That could all change but so far he does seem much improved.

]]> By: coops2001 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/comment-page-1/#comment-313503 coops2001 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:16:13 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/17/two-tds-later-yankees-top-sox/#comment-313503 I was at that hideous game (though my friend Nik pointed out that there was only one error). Best line when Latroy was coming in: "Yes, he has a 9.00 ERA, but we'll be ahead of the game as tonight we can score at least two an inning." I was at that hideous game (though my friend Nik pointed out that there was only one error). Best line when Latroy was coming in: “Yes, he has a 9.00 ERA, but we’ll be ahead of the game as tonight we can score at least two an inning.”

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