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Game 19: Yankees at Orioles

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Apr 19, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES
Damon LF
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Rodriguez 3B
Posada 1B
Matsui RF
Ensberg 3B
Cano 2B
Molina C
Kennedy RHP

Notes: Joba is in the air and headed this way. They hope he will arrive in time for the game. Presumably, Edwar Ramirez will be sent back. … Kyle Farnsworth claimed he was surprised that he was suspended and denied any bad intentions when he threw at Manny Ramirez. No word on when the appeal will be heard. … Posada said he hopes to catch tomorrow or Tuesday. He said his shoulder is “close” to 100 percent. … Yankee pitching has allowed 39 hits and 24 runs over the last 26 innings. … That’s 19 games and and 19 different lineups for Joe Girardi so far.

UPDATE, 7:15 p.m.: Only the 2008 Yankees can get a walk, a single and a triple in the same inning and not score. … Joba is here and he thanked everybody for their good wishes.

UPDATE, 8:08 p.m.: Ian Kennedy is at a nice tidy 56 pitches after two innings. Yikes. Meanwhile Alex Rodriguez is 1 for 18 with runners in scoring position this season.

UPDATE, 8:24 p.m.: Should Kennedy be sent back to the minors? He has allowed 14 runs in 14 innings over four appearances. He and Hughes are wearing the bullpen out. With a day off coming Monday, anything is possible.

When you don’t throw strikes, opposing hitters can just sit and wait for a pitch they can handle. Kennedy has a lot of potential but he has thrown only 101 innings in the minors. He threw 85 pitches in 2.2 innings tonight.

UPDATE, 9:11 p.m.: They just played a video tribute to Cal Ripken then at the end showed Ripken sitting in his seat at the game. The crowd went nuts. I was waiting for Brian Cashman to run over and offer him a contract to DH.

UPDATE, 9:21 p.m.: Who says the Yankees aren’t developing their young pitchers? Ross Ohlendorf is progressing nicely. What was the point of having Ohlendorf throw one-inning stints all spring then make him a long man once the season started?

UPDATE, 9:46 p.m.: So let me get this straight: Manny Ramirez doesn’t get intentionally walked with first base open and two outs. But RAMON HERNANDEZ does? He came into this game hitting .163.

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919 Responses to “Game 19: Yankees at Orioles”

  1. Josh April 19th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    is that posada at 1b and ensberg DHing.. is that arod DHing or ensberg at 1b and posada DHing?

  2. blackdragon905 April 19th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    first

  3. blackdragon905 April 19th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    damn nevermind lol

  4. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    A-Rod is at DH.

  5. Matt K April 19th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    is posada realy at first?

  6. tom April 19th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    I assume its Ensberg the 3B, A-Rod the DH and Posada at first. My guess is he meant to put DH for A-Rod but is so used to having A-Rod 3B listed. But I don’t know. lol

  7. TKinDC April 19th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Damon needs to snap out of this slump. It would be nice with Jeter absolutely raking the ball if there was a duck on the pond in front of him!

  8. ADave April 19th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    There is a God! Giambi (aka Satan) has finally been benched! I don’t mind this lineup at all. Posada’s bat is in the lineup. I would rather have seen Matsui at DH over Ensberg. But hey, no complaints here. As long as Giambi rides the bench.

  9. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Let it never be said Joe G didn’t appreciate variety.

  10. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Larry, by the way, I want your job.

  11. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Larry, by the way, I want your job.

    You’ll have to fight me for it.

    And you might not want this job. It can be insanely stressful.

  12. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Pete,

    I don’t think Girardi was going to have a days where the lineup was predictable anyway. With maneuvering Damon/Giambi/Matsui (or the initial plan to, anyway), it was always going to be kind of fluid. Add in the injuries, the match-ups and the non-production, well, 19 lineups in 19 games sounds about right.

    Hey you guys –

    Great conversation this morning/afternoon. I had too much to do to participate, but I did eventually catch up with everything.

    One thing I would like to say in defense of last night’s game thread – there were a few of us on there for some of the game trying to salvage a sane conversation. It was better than most nights – as long as you IGNORE the obvious troll and/or panic posts.

    Let’s have a good game tonight, Yankees!

    I’m glad Joba’s en route. Glad to have him back, but mostly glad that it must mean his dad is stabilized.

  13. Hellboy April 19th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    So how much do you get paid for this gig, Gameday dude? Do you have a second job?

  14. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    I get paid $100 a game, so yeah, I have to have a second job. Especially with the way gas prices are — I have to drive 200 miles round-trip for the Nats games and over 100 for the O’s games (I live in York, PA)

  15. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    By the way, if you get a chance to go to National Park, go. It’s GORGEOUS.

    Although my parents tell me that the concessions are not running efficiently yet and, of course, there’s no parking. But there’s a press lounge for me and I get to park right next to the stadium in the media lot, so things look a bit nicer from there. But still, gorgeous park.

  16. Buddy Biancalana April 19th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Rebecca-

    You can have a job like Larry’s for the Yanks:

    http://jobsearch.mlb.careers.m.....;lid=28758

  17. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Larry: I can handle the stress :-P

    And I’d go live with my cousins in Annapolis, and save on the gas.

  18. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Buddy: You are my f–ing hero.

  19. Frank Discussion April 19th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Finally Giambi takes the position he so richly deserves, the bench.

  20. Hellboy April 19th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Thanks.

  21. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Actually, they list all the teams, but they usually are only hiring a couple of markets every offseason. Send me an email you can find it on the RLYW) and I’ll let you know in the offseason if there’s an opening at the new stadium).

    Honestly, it’s better to work at a park where you don’t care either way about the team. When the Yankees are getting killed, I’d rather not watch anymore. I have to watch every pitch if they get killed tonight.

  22. Buddy Biancalana April 19th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Larry-

    Repost from last thread.

    Larry-

    I have seen those job postings through mlb.com & some are available right now, perhaps when I retire it could be another great source of income.

    Thanks for all the info & I read your blog all the time.

  23. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Hmm, I really screwed up the parentheses on that last post there…

    Guess I better put down the whiskey.

  24. Buddy Biancalana April 19th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Rebecca-

    Get a job at mlb.com it may be your calling, although they may not allow swords at their offices anymore.

  25. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Buddy,

    Thanks for reading the blog (even though I almost never post anymore — SG and Fabian do most of the work there now). I’ve had trouble writing for a while, so I’m going to take some time off.

  26. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Larry: I think I’m going to take you up on that, but after I get done with the coursework (ugh, can I graduate yet?)

    Buddy: You know, my friend and I considered swordfighting on the quad yesterday, but I only have one wooden one and using the real one would prbably get us into a little trouble.

  27. tom April 19th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Do you need any like kind of education or prerequisities to do that or do you just need to learn how to operate it?

  28. lauren April 19th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    What happen, two 3B in the lineup and no DH??

  29. TKinDC April 19th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    At what point did I sign on to the program where I hear about Rebecca’s wooden sword? Some things are better kept private!

    :)

  30. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Thats pretty sweet, reporter for the yankees…if only I was older…but I’m more interested in the broadcast part of journalism so bahh…but still thats sweet yankees jobs on moster.com…i like

  31. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Do you need any like kind of education or prerequisities to do that or do you just need to learn how to operate it?

    You need to take a test about baseball rules (particularly scoring rules) and get all the answers right.

    The scoring system is a bit tricky, but I was already familiar with it (it’s a slightly modified version of the Project Scoresheet system).

    There are no prerequisites for the job, but I imagine my experience working as the Official Scorer for an independent league team for a few games in 1996 helped.

  32. Alan April 19th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Frank Discussion
    April 19th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
    Finally Giambi takes the position he so richly deserves, the bench.

    – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - -
    Damon should be alongside Giambi in the dugout to discuss the merits of pine in this world.

  33. Tseng April 19th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Is there a record for different lineups that Girardi is trying to break?

  34. LibertyBelle April 19th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Damon over Abreu… I don’t like it.

    But, if Damon would like to go ahead and have a monster game just to prove me wrong, that would be cool.

  35. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    larry…what is your “offical job title”?

  36. Melissa April 19th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Maybe after all these crazy injuries stop we’ll have a normal line-up that actually gets repeated.

  37. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    TKinDC: You know, I actually have two up here. A wooden one and a real one (it can cut through a car hood, I watched the demonstration).

    I have three others back home–a broadsword from Scotland, a light sword from a ren faire and a civil war officer’s sword from Gettysburg.

    (No, you don’t want to get in an argument with me)

  38. Motown Yankees Fan April 19th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Liberty – Abreu always sits when they face lefties. Somehow they mess with his timing.

    I do like Melky high up in the order. And thank goodness no Giambi.

  39. Labe - Manhattan April 19th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Ed Price at the Star-Ledger has Arod as the DH, Posada at 1st, and Ensberg at third base. I dunno about jorge at first, and I don’t know if lineup maneuvers are as influential as girardi may think they are.

  40. Elizabeth--Melky in CF 08 and Beyond! April 19th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Sports reporting (sportscasting, really) is my dream job and one I’m actively working to pursue (I have the degree, I just need the job!). I love that this blog offers the opportunity to read about and interact with people in all facets of the game.

    Is Abreu okay after his slide last night? Is that why he’s out of the lineup tonight?

  41. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    larry…what is your “offical job title”?

    I think it’s “Stats Stringer”, but I’m not 100% sure on that. My press pass says “MLB.com Reporter”. Of course, my pass gives me clubhouse access although MLBAM forbids me from going down there, so that’s not particularly accurate.

  42. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    I don’t know if you know about this, but this page allows you to see the Game Notes that we get in the press box. I just use it to check the rosters, but there’s some fun info in those.

  43. gayle April 19th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    People are forgetting hat ENsberg at 3rd isprobaly to get him some time there as he will be the replacement for arod at 3rd when the bay comes

  44. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Let’s go Yankees!

  45. LibertyBelle April 19th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    Motown- if you’re looking to give Abreu a game off, sure, might as well make it against a lefty. He does not need to sit for every lefty and hasn’t throughout his career. He has managed to handle left handed pitching ok- less power, sure, but decent enough numbers- and I’d be willing to trust him against pretty much anyone more than Damon right now.

    (again, Johnny- prove me wrong. I dare ya :-) )

  46. Eric April 19th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    People playing fantasy baseball… who do you think would get the better end of this trade? Ichiro for Sabathia & Mariano

  47. tom April 19th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    I think it had more to do with Abreu being 0-for-10 vs. Burres than Burres being left-handed.

  48. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Eric: Whoever gets Ichiro.

  49. whozat April 19th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    “I dunno about jorge at first, and I don’t know if lineup maneuvers are as influential as girardi may think they are.”

    It’s more about rest than it is trying to “generate offense”.

    Alex has played every game, so this is a half-day off, Bobby’s getting his normal scheduled rest. Interesting to see how Jorge handles first…

  50. LibertyBelle April 19th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Damon’s going 3-4 with a walk tonight. Book it.

  51. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Hopefully Kennedy won’t have to make too many pickoff throws to first, since Jorge’s shoulder isn’t quite 100 percent, although he says it is close. So Joba is in the air and on the way, hopefully his arms won’t be tired from flying. Sorry, I couldn’t resist! :)

  52. Pique April 19th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Larry, how are you doing the quotes thing in your comments? What is the syntax for that?

  53. Rishi April 19th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    thanks for all the great info in this thread and the one before, Larry!

  54. bigjf April 19th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    If Molina is catching and Posada is back in the field and “close” to being ready to catch, shouldn’t it be Moeller going down to make room for Joba? The more arms the better, no?

  55. Rich April 19th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Larry – if I email you, would you let me know about openings after the season as well? Right now I’m a college student, but I’m about to change my major to english and I’d love to get a job as a Yankees reporter somewhere. It would be awesome job experience even if just for the short-term.

    Btw – I love those press pass game notes. I print them out whenever I go to a game so I have all the stats with me. :)

  56. Tseng April 19th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Eric, depends on your needs and what kind of league you’re in.

  57. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    A-Rod just hit a monster shot in BP. It hit the back of the Yankees’ bullpen.

  58. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    To do quotes, use the HTML code: <blockquote>

    If you email me (make sure the subject is something that won’t get snagged by my junk filter), I’ll email you after the season when they let us know where the openings are.

  59. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    Let’s hope A-Rod hits a shot like that during the game with three men on base, shall we?

    Also, my thesis is twenty pages short of what it should be, but I am entirely out of things to write, so i think I might just call it and hope for some mercy.

  60. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Joba is on the field, and available to pitch.

  61. Rishi April 19th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    excellent news!

  62. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Joba’s there? Nice! :)

  63. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    All right, hopefully we will see Joba in the game in the 8th inning, protecting a two-run lead and doing what he does best.

  64. Rich April 19th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Rebecca – twenty pages short of what number? And what is it for?

  65. pat April 19th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Manny says Farns shouldn’t be suspended. Seems like Manny has spokem more in the last week than I’ve heard him in years.

    http://news.bostonherald.com/b.....ion=recent

  66. Elizabeth--Melky in CF 08 and Beyond! April 19th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Joba! Let’s hope we NEED him tonight. ;)

  67. bigjf April 19th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    So when do the Yanks announce whom they’ve sent down?

  68. Rishi April 19th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    ““He doesn’t deserve that,” Ramirez said. “He was trying to protect his player. You know, we hit A-Rod the game before. When you’e got a guy like that on your team, you’re going to protect him … That’s the way the game is played. You hit one of their guys and they’re going to hit one of your’s.””

    from the Herald post…

  69. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Rich: 20 short of eighty. It’s a thesis for distinction in history. So it doesn’t look like I totally wasted my four years at Syracuse.

    Even if I did.

  70. Patrick Bateman April 19th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Two men at 3B eh? They must be losing faith in ARod’s defense.

  71. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Edwar Ramirez was sent down

  72. bigjf April 19th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Ah ok, thanks Larry.

  73. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    And now Gameday accurately reflects the roster change.

    Yay, me!

  74. Rich April 19th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Rebecca – Ah. I’m only finishing my freshman year right now. I haven’t had to write anything longer than 10 pages yet… Good luck with the thesis.

    Larry – Thanks for the information. I’ll be emailing you some time soon.

  75. Guiseppe Franco April 19th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Ah, the good ‘ol days of long nights studying for exams and writing papers.

    My longest thesis in college was 85 pages.

  76. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    Larry: Go You!

    Rich: Heh, I wish I was still a Freshman.

    Guiseppe: What’d you write on?

  77. Joe from Long Island April 19th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    So I just checked back onto the blog, as I’ve been making dinner for my wife (she just got back from an out-of-town family obligation), and I see people talking about how long their college papers were….

    We are an eclectic bunch here.

  78. Elizabeth--Melky in CF 08 and Beyond! April 19th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    I had no final thesis to write at Le Moyne. Communications/Broadcasting majors trade the lack of a thesis paper for 35+ hours a weekend in the video editing lab, early Saturday mornings doing field production, and hours upon hours of writing copy for live and taped broadcasts. Plus, we’re required to have a concentration and a minor, so I think the work ends up evening out.

    Rebecca–gotta make sure you’re done by Friday because it’s Red Wings time!! Sunny Rochester is a-waiting! :)

  79. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Joe from Long Island -

    You cook???

  80. Joe from Long Island April 19th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Doreen – Yes, it’s a leftover from my single days, not all that long ago. Besides, I like to eat. It’s a challenge to keep my “boyish” figure.

  81. pat April 19th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    I want to re-do college and see what it would be like with a computer instead of an electric typewriter and a bottle of wite-out. The Internet instead of a study room in the library would have increased the number of hours to have fun too. Now I feel old.

  82. Mike April 19th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Hey Larry, didn’t know you were in York. Good to see another central PAer on the blog!

  83. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Joe from LI -

    Good for you! I do all the cooking here. Not complaining — it’s one of my favorite things to do. And baking, which I don’t do as much of anymore because I want to keep my girlish figure, and I’m the only one here with an uncontrollable sweet tooth! :)

    I’m always impressed when a man can cook. I know I shouldn’t be (my father did), but I am.

  84. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    pat -

    Wouldn’t it be great to get a re-do!!! With today’s technology but, with the hindsight I’ve gained since I finished!

  85. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Hey Larry, didn’t know you were in York. Good to see another central PAer on the blog!

    Well, I’m originally from Long Island, lived in Rochester, NY from 10 to 28, and now I’m in York after I was homeless for a little while after the fire. So I’m not really a Central PA’er, but I still get to vote on Tuesday.

  86. Guiseppe Franco April 19th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Rebecca:

    It was a thesis on advertising. Basically, I had to research every big city and demographic in the country to pitch advertisements on radio and TV stations.

    An unbelievable amount of work.

  87. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    OK, warmups, which means its time for me to go. Enjoy the game.

  88. This Year April 19th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Am at Camden Yards tonight. Must be at least 40 percent Yankees fans. Beautiful park. Makes you happy that a new Stadium is on the way.

  89. Joe from Long Island April 19th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    Dinner’s ready, my wife’s home, it’s almost 7, and the game’s on.

    Heaven.

    Let’s go Yankees!

  90. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    Am at Camden Yards tonight. Must be at least 40 percent Yankees fans. Beautiful park. Makes you happy that a new Stadium is on the way.

    See that Under Armour sign behind the Yankees bullpen? A-Rod hit that in batting practice.

  91. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Giuseppe: Sounds painful.

  92. Elizabeth--Melky in CF 08 and Beyond! April 19th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Larry–Rochester? :D I grew up there and live there now. In fact, I’m typing this from lovely Irondequoit.

  93. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Evening Yankees fans. Whacky lineup tonight. Jorge can play first but still can’t catch? Doesn’t playing 1B also involve throwing? I guess since it’s not as much he can swing it. Glad to see Ensberg in the lineup. Let’s see the Yankees play like they want to win the game tonight! Go Yanks!

  94. sequitur April 19th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    With Posada at 1B and Matsui as RF, Orioles will get extra base on every hard hit ball to the right side.

  95. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    i know, i’m worried about that. it sucks that standing in a different spot robs players of their ability to catch balls.

  96. Jeff April 19th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Tell Girardi to get a consistent lineup in place. When evryone is healthy:

    Damon
    Jeter
    Abreu
    A-Rod
    Matsui
    Posada
    Cano
    Duncan/Ensberg
    Cabrera

  97. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Great to see that Molina is healed enough to catch. Welcome back, Joba!!!

  98. TKinDC April 19th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Have you guys ever heard the skipper of the O’s give a press conference? He makes Joe G. look like Rodney Dangerfield!

    He is a complete and total harda@#

  99. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    Why should Girardi get a consistent lineup in place? Better he shuffle guys to rest them…especially the older guys to keep their legs fresh as the season goes on.

  100. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    i’m sure there will be a consisten lineup when they start hitting more consistently and getting consistent days off. gotta do what you gotta do when you play 20 straight games without rest.

  101. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    TK – That’s why Girardi has his own show on YES!

    Let’s go Yankees.

  102. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    Matsui makes up for his average arm with a very quick release. He’ll be fine in RF.

  103. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Game on!!!

  104. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Just win tonight please

  105. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    man larry, one lucky guy, someday I hope to be working for MLB…sportscaster. Remember this name, Brendon Phillips…i’ll be there someday

  106. Elizabeth--Melky in CF 08 and Beyond! April 19th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Westerner–exactly right about Matsui’s release. And Jorge’s arm, from what we hear, is almost ready for catching duties again, which would be just perfect for the distances a 1B throws.

  107. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    It’s like the baseball g-ds have it out for us, or something… ;)

  108. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    off to a good start. Fantastic

  109. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    wow, that really cost us, we could have a 1-0 lead right now if it wasn’t for Damon

  110. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    Bad mistake by Damon. Cost the Yanks a run on Jeter’s ball.

  111. Say it ain't so April 19th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    Wow, that was embarrassing baserunning by Damon. If he hadn’t been looking over his shoulder he would’ve been safe.

  112. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    that was ridiculous johnny. what are you doing?

  113. TKinDC April 19th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    that is 1-o if Johnny doesn’t f-up.

    Speed dial to SWB?

  114. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    So if that wily veteran Johnny Damon doesn’t screw up that previous play…. well, it surely would have all played out differently. Surely.

  115. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Why is Johnny Damon still playing regularly?

  116. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Nice Jeets!

  117. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    That is the book on Markakis…solid bat, good arm, but is prone to lapses in concentration.

  118. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    nice triple jeter!! 1-0 ya- oh wait johnny got himself doubled on first because he forgot how to move.

  119. This Year April 19th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Terrible baserunning by Damon.

  120. Drew April 19th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    We should light this dude up.

  121. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    A-Rod’s such a stat-padder. He just raised his batting average with runners in scoring position with two out, and the run doesn’t even score. ;)

  122. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    *sighs*

  123. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Dang it

  124. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    I hate this team.

  125. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    In case you were wondering (those following on Gameday), the reason that triple says “to center” in Gameday is because that’s who picked up the ball.

  126. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    that was great guys. was that a preview of how tonight’s innings are going to go or were you just picking up from last night?

  127. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    tough first inning for the Yanks, but at least they are hitting this guy.. some good rips, just at people..

  128. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Andrew: I thought you left for the Dodgers?

  129. felix April 19th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    was that lazy base running by Arod???

  130. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    ah lets go IPK, getting ahead in the count, I like

  131. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    You have to admit, Arod getting a single with Jeter on 3rd and no run coming in is pretty funny. Well, don’t admit it yet. Hopefully it’ll be funny in retrospect.

  132. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Westerner,

    His arm is still here in spirit.

  133. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Posada playing first…both catchers are hitting so put one at first…also maybe Jorge Can move to first so Jesus Montero can catch… :-)

  134. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Ian, strikes are your friend.

  135. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Ugh
    Come on Ian

  136. kissanem April 19th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Seeing Posada at first sparked what I’m sure is not an original idea but I figured I’d bring it up anyway. There has been a lot of talk lately about moving Jeter to first in the near future due to his lacklust fielding at short and minimal range. There has also been the discussion about Jorge getting on in the years for a catcher especially now that the yankees have signed him for another few years. My solution solves a couple of these problems. First, move Jeter to the outfield such as left if the Yankees get rid of Matsui. Then let Posada take over first. This also takes care of the issues at first. There’s a couple holes in the solution but that’s for people like Cashman who are getting paid to do this to figure out.

  137. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    so what did I miss, one on and one out…and now just a walk.

    Hopefully IPK can get a dp..

    Man, it just doesn’t get any better from night to night.

  138. state farm April 19th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Let’s go Tampa Bay!

  139. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    strikes Kennedy honey..
    We want to see you throw strikes

  140. robbb April 19th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    “Only the 2008 Yankees can get a walk, a single and a triple in the same inning and not score. … Joba is here and he thanked everybody for their good wishes.”

    Forfeit the game. @ssholes.

  141. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Wow…Kennedy is just missing the corners. If he were a veteran, those might be strikes.

  142. Drew April 19th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Thank you Kevin Millar!!! Hopefully that settles IPK down and he can chuck strikes up there.

  143. Jeff April 19th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Growing pains. Gotta keep telling myself that lol

  144. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    thanks Kevin, the pop up helps out. gotta get the next guy.

  145. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    MATSUI is in RIGHT?????

    Holy cow, we have no arm in RF tonight nor any defense… OMG, what is Joe drinking..

    MEMO to Joe Girardi: Stop drinking the bong water.

  146. Yankee Fan in Boston April 19th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Ugh. Kennedy’s all over the place. He’s got way more lateral movement on his fastball than any of his previous starts, and I don’t think he’s expecting it. Everything is tailing to the right.

    This could get ugly with walks.

  147. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Montero is a long way away yes he is nasty but please calm down his ETA atleast is 2010-11 if by some miracle he is a Sept. call up candidate next year I will be shocked and in awe..

  148. TKinDC April 19th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Folks who want to pull Moose out of the rotation tomorrow, are you watching?

    We have two puppies in the rotation so when IPK or Franchise have 3 inning starts, it doesn’t look so cut and dried to me.

  149. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    man Ian is not getting any calls since the AB with Roberts. what, did he scream “your mama” or something at the ump so he changed the zone?

  150. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    thank you Melky

  151. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    oh my lord

  152. Kat April 19th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    THANK YOU melky cabrera!!!!

  153. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Melky. Marry me?

  154. LibertyBelle April 19th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Melky!!!!!!

    Nice catch.

  155. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Finally someone other than the Yankees leaves the bases loaded.

  156. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    I’m naming all my kids Melky.

  157. Drew April 19th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Nice play Melky!!!

  158. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Melky-I’ll have your babies
    Back to work bats

  159. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    How many pitches did IPK throw that inning?

  160. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Thank God we have one outfielder out there tonight who can play… Lot of ground to cover for the Melkman…Whew!

  161. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Still 0-0…but Kennedy’s already thrown 24 pitches…this will be a quick start if he can’t harness his pitches.

  162. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    He’s just missing and you hear it all the time about how youngsters tend to get squeezed by umpires. That’s the way it is, but that isn’t right. A strike’s a strike, regardless of who’s throwing it. Experience should have nothing to do with it.

  163. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    no way, move jeter to the outfield? Only Knoblauch could attempt to pull that off, and he…i won’t go there. Can’t move jeter from short. just can’t.

  164. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    PitchFX says Kennedy was nowhere near the plate.

  165. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Mwlky

  166. LibertyBelle April 19th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    During the homerun derby in ’05, I promised to name all my future children Bob Kelly. It’s not a decision I’m proud of.

  167. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Melky saved Kennedy there

  168. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    Melky just saved Kennedy there. Kennedy has got to start throwing first pitch strikes. He must be over 25 pitches already. If he keeps pitching from behind he will be in trouble.

  169. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    Larry, I’ll take your word for it, I have to follow along on the Internet, unfortunately. :)

  170. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    I think we know who ipk will be taking to dinner tonight… cough cough (melky)

  171. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    good

  172. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Ensberg is totally like “and why, exactly, won’t you play me?”

  173. MLB.com is evil April 19th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    I hate being blacked out. Is the Melky play going to be up on Gameday like the Jeter triple and Melky’s double play? And can someone send a memo to MLB that Washington DC does not get Orioles games?

  174. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    yeah Morgan! Why has Giambi even been playing?

  175. V April 19th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Kennedy’s first at bat vs Roberts was -awesome-. What happened to his control after that? His pitches were sailing off the plate (both sides).

  176. PAT M. April 19th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Millar is hitting in the cleanup hole….I’m getting the Baltimore feed…Getting a nice lesson on pitching from the Great HOF Jim Palmer……Randy 1 are you getting this feed.?????

  177. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Nice AB by Ensberg to come back from the 1-2 hole and work a deep count into a base hit, good piece of hitting.

  178. Drew April 19th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    At least you don’t get blacked out of 6 teams like we do in Iowa, and only get 1 of them on our cable.

  179. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Giambi has been playing because Girardi was trying to get his bat going…his OBP is always high, regardless of his batting average.

  180. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Mo Ensberg’s Wild Ride

  181. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    c’mon Robbie
    Get something going…

  182. miggs April 19th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Ensberg isn’t the fastest guy in the world huh?

  183. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    there is a walk by cano

  184. miggs April 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Cano works a walk. I’m speechless.

  185. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    I think Ensberg is as slow as Molina.

  186. robbb April 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Kennedy (2 innings) + Olendorf (3 innings) + Bruney (2 innings) + Traber (1 inning) + ? (1 inning) = loss

  187. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    wow that sure was a nerve wracking moment. glad Ensberg remained safe at 2nd.

  188. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    That’s something

  189. Winfield killed my seagull April 19th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    pope in town meanas… cano walking… mircale

  190. MLB.com is evil April 19th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Drew

    That sucks. Shouldn’t the whole point of MLB.com be to get the game to fans who can’t get it any other way? Who the hell set up this system?

  191. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    wow

  192. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    As I said before, I hate this team.

  193. V April 19th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    “Kennedy (2 innings) + Olendorf (3 innings) + Bruney (2 innings) + Traber (1 inning) + ? (1 inning) = loss”

    :snort: Go away troll/fair weather fan, whoever you are.

  194. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    The only true way to get the games is the MLB Extra Innings package on DirecTV.

  195. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Another runner left stranded. When are they going to get tired of this?

  196. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    “As I said before, I hate this team.”

    and I hate you arm

  197. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    awesome.

  198. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    WTF

  199. Look, Ma, I GIDPed April 19th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Ah, double plays.

    The one thing our offense leads the world in.

  200. miggs April 19th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Was Molina crawling to first base?

  201. Drew April 19th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Exactly MLB.com is evil. It is completely ridiculous and counter productive IMO.

  202. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    MLB Extra Innings is wicked expensive, but I’m thinking about doing it next year.

  203. Yankee Fan in Boston April 19th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Something I’m finding EXTREMELY troubling about this team so far is the seeming lack of fly ball outs. They’re putting a lot of ground balls into play, causing these double plays.

    It doesn’t seem like we put fly balls into play. I’d have to back and check the splits, but it’s a feeling I’ve had for a while now.

  204. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Kennedy, Morgan Ensberg and Edwar Ramirez went to the Five Guys at the Inner Harbor for lunch today. Kennedy and Ensberg — from southern California — were particularly interested in comparing the highly touted Five Guys burger to In-N-Out Burger, the top of the line in fast-food burgers.

  205. Drew April 19th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    No Westerner99, you we get blacked out of the same amount of games on DirecTV as we do MLB.TV.

  206. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Dear Baseball Deities:

    Listen, if I have to streak across campus to get the Yankees to score with RISP, I’d do it.

    Please don’t make me do it.

    Rebecca

  207. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    “Was Molina crawling to first base?”

    his speed is limited and just came back from a hamstring inj.

  208. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    it’s like the Baltimore broadcasters say it and it happens. they said “get a groundball here and it’s probably a double play” and that’s exactly what happens. they did the same thing twice last night.

  209. V April 19th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    “Another runner left stranded. When are they going to get tired of this?”

    I’m sure they do it on purpose, just to piss you off.

  210. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    edit…from nj.com

  211. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Alright Ian-Strikes are your friend.
    Let’s see how this inning goes

  212. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    Drew, I’ve never been blacked out except for the Sat Fox games. Never.

  213. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    first out

  214. V April 19th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    Much better – did he fix his mechanics?

  215. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Jim Palmer is one of the better non Yankee announcers around.

  216. MLB.com is evil April 19th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Damn MLB. First they give you internet games so you can watch when you’re at work, but then they say you got to pay them again to get games that are within 1,000 miles of your network. Don’t mind me, I only post when angry about MLB.com. Could be worse, could rant every time someone made an out or gave up a hit.

  217. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Adam Jones’s profile picture on Yahoo! makes him look like he is asleep…and there’s a groundout.

  218. Joe m April 19th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Here in Fort Myers we get blacked out because of Tpa 2 1/2 hr and florida M 2 1/2 hrs That’s what sucks

  219. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    lets go ian, you can do it buddy. lets get a quick inning here.

  220. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Blackouts are a part of an antiquated rule…they need to go away in the age of the Internet. Especially that Sat Fox rule.

  221. Drew April 19th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    I get blacked out of any games featuring the Twins, Royals, White Sox, Cubs, Cardinals and Brewers. So last week I couldn’t watch the Yanks except for the rainy night at the ballpark, and will get blacked out again this week. It really sucks.

  222. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    in southeast PA i only get blacked out of Phillies games on MLB.TV. and saturday afternoon games because of FOX.

    for some reason i get blacked out of a lot of random hockey games on cable. i didn’t get to watch a single Rangers-Devils playoff game on versus, blacked out each time. for some reason the Flyers games and west coast games didn’t get blacked out.

  223. dontfirecash April 19th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    wow, gameday has Kennedy’s fastballs as high as 93, too bad he isn’t throwing strikes.

  224. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    2-2 in Boston.

  225. greg April 19th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Why do the Yankee pitchers have so much trouble finishing off hitters when they get ahead in the count?

  226. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    double

  227. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Drew: that is bad…you should check with the satellite company for your area…but, like I said earlier, I’ve never missed a Yankee game due to black out the last three years.

  228. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Hamilton homered off Lester tonight, 3 Flyouts in 2 innings, I doubt he makes it to the 6th inning

  229. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    wow down the middle

  230. Drew April 19th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Westerner99, I have tried that as well as contacting MLB and they tell me their hands are tied by the current TV deal.

  231. Joe m April 19th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    It all has a lot to do with where you live

  232. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    lol, i keep forgetting that posts which include the english word for “sabado” get caught in the filter. what’s with that?

  233. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    lucky

  234. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Drew, there is only one thing left to do – move. :)

  235. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    come on Ian

  236. Drew April 19th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    I would do that, except I really like my job.

  237. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    omg………..i feel hopeless

  238. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    For the love of all that’s holy, can we at least get out of the second inning?

  239. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Memo to Ian Kennedy: After you get the first out in the inning, you need to get two more.

  240. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    That is why you need a real first baseman. Baltimore with the hit with runners in scoring position.

  241. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Wow, we needed that. Nice IAK.

  242. Say it ain't so April 19th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    I’m not sure if I’ve ever said this about a pitcher before, but it’s like Kennedy’s pitches move way too much. More than is necessary. And everything ends up off the plate.

  243. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    did IPK just pick someone off?

  244. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    1 more out Ian…come on

  245. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    What do you suppose Molina says to Kennedy when he goes to the mound? “Dude, you gotta not suck.”

  246. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    yeah

  247. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    nice pickoff Ian! now THAT’S probably what Molina went to the mound to discuss..

  248. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Exactly what Ian needed, Fahey with a mental lapse and now he has a chance to get out of this with only having surrendered one run.

  249. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    I don’t know what is worse, watching the Yankees hit or Baltimore and their poor baserunning/fielding..

    You have to give Baltimore credit, they are doing everything to keep the Yankees in the game. Do you think the Yankees realize this or are they still confused about the weather change.

  250. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    I hope Joba gets a police escort from the airport. We’re going to need him.

  251. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    wow the yankees doing anything not make Kennedy “pitch” anymore…Two pitch out in a row

  252. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Too timid in the strike zone and an .071 hitter does what the entire Yankee lineup can’t do. Hit w/RISP.

    You wish young pitchers would realize you don’t have to be perfect in order to get outs.

    Just painful to watch kids learning the hard way.

  253. Todd Parlato April 19th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Torre has Dodgers 5 1/2 games out of first already….

  254. greg April 19th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    The Yanks are really a hard team to root for. They don’t seem to play particularly hard or hustle very much.

  255. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    With this pitch total Kennedy is not long for this game.

  256. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Ian needs to stop throwing 25+ innings or he will be in trouble> other than that, his pitches look good

  257. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    It makes no sense to have Mussina, Kennedy and Hughes all in a row. They need to be broken up or else the bullpen will get killed.

    At this rate, Kennedy won’t get through the fifth inning.

  258. dontfirecash April 19th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Not looking good; the ‘pen has already thrown the most innings in the AL, and they are going to have to throw a bunch tonight.

  259. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    That wasn’t a bad play by Posada…that was a legitimate hit. Duncan, Ensberg…they wouldn’t have had that one. Neither would Giambi. Maybe Tino in his prime. :)

  260. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Nick – Joba is with the team. They showed him.

  261. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Joba is in the stadium

  262. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    okay, let’s try this run scoring thing.

  263. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    That could have been much worse.

  264. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    56 through 2.

  265. Kj April 19th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    whats funny is that all you heard about Kennedy before he came up was how great his control was. Meanwhile he cant throw a strike to save his life.

  266. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    i guess Gary Thorne doesn’t get any information on opposing players because he keeps talking about Ensberg like he has no clue what he’s doing at 3B. Nice working out of trouble there Ian, minimizing the damage. really needs a quick inning though.

  267. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    He follows a 24-pitch inning with a 32-pitch inning. Just lovely.

  268. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    really bugs me that other teams copy the Yankees so much…

    Yankees stealing bases all the time and these other teams do it…these young pitchers need to hold these runners on better.

  269. miggs April 19th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Well its going to be another full night of work for the boys in the bullpen tonight… Kennedy 56 pitches through 2 innings. Ouch.

  270. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    All right, the Yankees missed scoring opportunities in each inning, but the Orioles aren’t exactly living in a lap of luxury either. Kennedy has thrown 56 pitches in two innings and the Orioles have only scored one run.

  271. Joe Mama April 19th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    A very economical 56 pitches through 2

  272. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Resist the urge to go negative…it has only been two innings. Fight!

  273. Josh April 19th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    I thought Kennedy was supposed to have pinpoint control.. ive never seen a start by him where he has exhibited such.

  274. Kj April 19th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    How come Joe didnt spilt up Hughes and Kennendy does he like watching his pen come in the 4th inning??

  275. robbb April 19th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    At this point, it’s better to starting rooting for Baltimore — hope they take the division over Boston.

    No miracle can help this team come back in this game.

    They’re not the 2005 Yankees, which–pathetic as they were–can at least storm back when they were behind. I believe they set some kind of record with regard to that.

  276. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Leadoff walk by Damon. Please, please score.

  277. miggs April 19th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Come on Damon, steal 2nd. Let’s get aggressive here. Hit and run. Something.

  278. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    The more you watch, the more you realize they can’t go another month with Joba in the bullpen. He needs to be in the rotation.

    If 3 of your 5 starters can’t see the 5th inning in most of their starts, it makes no sense to have your best arm pitching the 8th inning.

    Especially with a non-existent offense.

    Its going to be interesting what happens in the next few weeks. If one or more of Moose, Hughes and Kennedy don’t step it up, I have to believe it will be Joba Time in the rotation.

  279. PAT M. April 19th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Overcoming adversity is the singular most important thing for both Ian & Phil…Joba will have to deal with this when he replaces Mussina in the rotation…..They need to get him more innings somehow…Mussina is on a real short leach I think…..

  280. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    damon on to lead it off. now try to stay on, johnny.

  281. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Thanks, I missed the Joba shot.

    Meanwhile, Rangers up 3-2 with men in 2nd and 3rd, 1 out.

    Developing….

  282. Rob NY April 19th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    lol @ the “let’s be birds fans since our team isnt doing well” mentality. I never really believed it when people used to talk about all the bandwagoneers, but it’s true, and the rats are fleeing the ship.

    Let’s go IPK!

  283. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Probably better if Melky stays on first–at least this way he’s not a RISP.

  284. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    ….

  285. Vrsce April 19th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    It must be bad if SJ 44 acknowledges how bad the trifecya of Mussina, Hughes and Kennedy. At least there is a future for Hughes and Kennedy, Mussina is simply a disgrace.

  286. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Nicely played, Rebecca!

  287. miggs April 19th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Finally ! A steal. Come on Jeter.

  288. Say it ain't so April 19th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    LOL that was funny Rebecca.

  289. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    Do the Yankees lead the league in routine ground balls to the shortstop? It seems every single out is made by the opposing teams shortstop

  290. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    AHHHHH

  291. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Unbelievable.

  292. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    come on

  293. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    See what I mean?

  294. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    A-Rod leads the league in pop ups.

  295. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    unbelievable.

    this is not your 2007 Alex Rodriguez with RISP

  296. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Fight the urge to be negative!!!

  297. Joe from Long Island April 19th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    So the pitchers can’t pitch and the hitters can’t hit.

    It’s amazing that they’re 9-9. The good thing is that this can’t last like this.

  298. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    let’s get shutout out by Brian Burres.

  299. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    The Yanks as a team are 2 for 14 with RISP this series. They have got to start hitting to give their pitchers some runs and some breathing room.

  300. Vrsce April 19th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    It seems to be a very common phenomenon that when pro atheletes sign huge contracts ($300million is very huge). the signing is followed by anunproductive period. It happens in every sport.

  301. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    home run

  302. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Great, home run by Millar. Two runs looks like it’ll be insurmountable at this point.

  303. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    But it was only a 2-pitch at-bat, right? So that’s something.

  304. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    there ya go Ian, tha’t the first out. but this inning, let’s work on getting the 2nd and 3rd outs as well.

  305. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    suprise suprise

  306. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    now, Ian. that’s not getting the 2nd out.

  307. Josh April 19th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    This offense is really pissing me off.. i dont expect our rookies and our old fart to pitch shutouts, but this year if they give up more than 3 runs we cant win with this offense right now.. these guys need to wake the hell up now

  308. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    I know it’s only 2-0
    But why does it feel like 20-0 to me
    :(

  309. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    I’m going to have to type up a note of apology to our bullpen soon.

  310. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Going young (in terms of fixing the team) is the right way to go. I don’t have a problem with the philosophy.

    You just have to go all the way with it. Can’t stop halfway.

    By that, I mean Gardner in left by May 15, Duncan at first by May 1, and Joba to the rotation.

    Growing pains I can deal with. I can’t deal with veteran players who refuse to make adjustments to their games.

    I wonder if Pete can ask Damon if he is hurt. He ran like a Molina brother on the slow roller Melky hit to short.

    If he can’t run and he can’t hit, there really isn’t any logical reason why he is still in the lineup.

    If he isn’t hustling, which it seemed like on that play, and he isn’t thinking (getting picked off in the first on a line drive in front of him), then there really isn’t any logical reason for him to be in the lineup.

    2-0 with a dead offense. Not looking great so far.

    Hopefully, they wake up soon. Looks like another long night for the ‘pen.

  311. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Well, if our pitchers are going to pitch like this the rest of the year, we will not be making it to the playoffs.

  312. Angel April 19th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    I think that comment just set a new low in stupidity for a game thread. “lets just root for baltimore to take the division over the red sox” – said 19 games into the season.

  313. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    jesus christ Kennedy, get it together. Offense too. he gets the first out no problem then goes to bed. they should just tell him that every guy is the leadoff hitter.

  314. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Plus, the umps are squeezing the young kids. That ball was a strike for anyone else but a rookie.

  315. miggs April 19th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Kennedy’s getting squeezed. that pitch was right down the middle.

  316. mel April 19th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Just got in. Posada at 1B?

  317. Jax April 19th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    I don’t want to see Olendorf used as a long man again.

  318. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    think the Yanks are getting swept…

    batting .186 2 outs RISP
    already GDP = 15
    only hitting .234 with 2 strikes… gets worse with less balls than strikes.

    just keeps getting worse and worse and worse and………..

  319. Steve Balboni April 19th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    So assuming they even make the playoffs, and assuming they haven’t exceed their pitch limits, its Wang, Kennedy, Hughes and Pettitte?

    Awesome.

  320. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    so how many batters have had 3 ball counts?

  321. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Still 3-2 Rangers in Boston, Youk just flied out with Manny on base to end the 3rd.

    Also, they shows Matthew McConaughey sitting at the game with an… attractive brunette.

  322. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Seems like all of them, Brian.

  323. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    I’d rather see these guys get hits than get these free passes.

  324. Jax April 19th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Wow 5 walks for Kennedy.

  325. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    oh for god’s sake. another walk. what are you trying to do, Ian? ain’t nothing you can do but throw it over the damn plate and hope for the best. obviously your control isn’t good enough tonight to be fine.

  326. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    He’s a better pitcher than he has shown tonight. Just look at his last start as an example.

    That said, you have to throw strikes. If you are too timid in the strikezone, whether you are 23, 33 or 43, you have absolutely no value to a team.

    5 walks in 2 1/3 innings. Rookie or not, completely unacceptable.

    Take him out, go to Ollie and use the off day Monday to figure out what you are going to do with the rotation.

  327. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Girardi needs to take a very deep breath and remind himself that this is still better than sitting with Michael Kay for the full game.

  328. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Surprised he got that call.

  329. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    yeah sj better pitvher huh?

  330. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    How do you go from striking someone out on four pitches to going 3-0 on the next batter?

    Great, two-run double.

  331. McLovin April 19th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Why is Michael Kay saying how these pitchers are so differant then last year.

    Thats because they only played a few games.They wanted young inexpirence pitchers in the starting rotation and bullpen.Well this is what you get.Can’t get both.People wanted a transition year they got it.But with these pitchers it’s looking like a rebuilding year.

  332. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Oh My God!

  333. Say it ain't so April 19th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Poor bullpen.

  334. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    now he takes him out

  335. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    :(

  336. miggs April 19th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    this is painful to watch…

    Oh man he’s done.

  337. Vrsce April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Kennedy is showing guts under pressure.

  338. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Andrew, you are really adding a lot of insight to the board. :)

  339. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    With our offense the way it is, 4 runs is hard to overtake.

  340. Vrsce April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Whoops

  341. KO April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    simply painful. at this point 3 up & 3 down would be progress.

  342. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    You get squeezed when you can’t throw strikes. Tonight isn’t on the HP umpire. Its on Kennedy.

    Gotta be better than this because Girardi is not going to have a lot of patience running guys out there who refuse to throw strikes.

    4-0, with a dead offense. This one is probably done.

    A huge step backward for Kennedy tonight. Perhaps a step back to Scranton after this one.

    If I’m Darrell Rasner and Kei Igawa, I’m awaiting a call after tonight.

  343. Jax April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Both Kennedy and Hughes look like two different pitchers compared to their minor league careers and even what they did last year in some starts.
    They just don’t throw enough strikes.

  344. Westerner99 April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Good night, all!

  345. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Girardi looks really angry. I don’t blame him. You have to throw strikes. You can’t keep walking batters.

    And the way the Yanks are swinging the bats, 4 runs seems insurmountable right now. Could it be from changing the line-up too much. Do the hitters need to be in every day to be consistent?

  346. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    …I am so totally apologizing to the bullpen.

  347. Neil April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Maybe the offense could get a lead for once and not always have to play from behind.

  348. Dave April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    But Kennedy is the next Greg Maddux. What’s going on?!

  349. Frank Discussion April 19th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Great, here we go again burning out the bullpen. Ridiculously high pitch count, bad strike/ball ratio, just more of the same old same old.

    It must be the A. weather
    B. umpire
    C. crowd
    D. all of the above

    I’ve seen this movie before.

  350. Josh April 19th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    these mlb 2k8 commercials are getting almost as annoying as guiseppe franco now

  351. BBB April 19th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    This is getting painful to watch. Another starter laboring over way too many pitches and an offense that either lets bad pitchers off the hook or hits line drives right at fielders.

    Maybe it was a mistake all along not to put Joba in the rotation. Maybe if we want to develop 3 young arms, we can’t have the best of the 3 throwing the fewest innings. I know some of Hughes & Kennedy’s growing pains will be in essence disgusised, or at least covered up, when the offense gets going (and they will.) But how easy is it ever going to be to win when a third of your rotation can’t get out of the 3rd inning?

    The one positive is that the Yankees do have depth in relief pitching. Maybe it’s time to consider tapping into those resources on the farm and moving Joba to the rotation. Cause this is really getting ridiculous.

  352. Rick April 19th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    SJ
    Totally agree. I don’t mind if they go young and I will take the lumps but please go all the way. Give Gardner and Duncan a chance to play too.

  353. Mike Housman April 19th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    The Yankees were worried about controlling the innings of their young pitchers – I guess that problem has taken care of itself. If they stay in the rotation they should come in around 100 innings if they make 30 starts.

    This is awful to watch.

    As someone said earlier i have no problem with the youth buts lets go all in.

    No more Damon or Giambi.

  354. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    well crap… what now?

    With the lack of offense, a 4-0 lead it like 10-0.

    odds before Hammerin’ Hank makes a statement????

    odds before Cashman does something or Girardi does something to field a team.

    have to agree with SJ44, I would rather watch a long season of rookies and young players than watch a boiling pot of emptiness.

    Any idea if Yanks pen leads the league in innings pitched?

  355. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    If we can’t beat the lowly Baltimore Orioles, imagine the trouble we’ll have against the red hot Chicago White Sox next week? I live in Chitown and let me tell you – my friends are never going to let me hear the end of it if we get swept by the WS.

  356. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Maybe its just me but, its a tad early to make “no playoff proclaimations after 19 games.

  357. KO April 19th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Josh, please leave Guiseppe out of this.

  358. Kj April 19th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    this team is unwatchable….I dont even know what to think about these kids anymore. I mean are they really this bad or are they both sruggling bad at the same time

  359. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Yeah we will win the division this year. Being optimistic doesn’t mean am going to be blind. sorry.

  360. melkyy28 April 19th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    does ANYONE think joba should hit the rotation?

  361. Jim April 19th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Anyone still doesn’t want to make the Johan trade lol

  362. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 19th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Yankees are coming back tonight to beat these bums…you wait and see…

  363. Dr. Acula April 19th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    So don’t watch, kj!

  364. Mike Housman April 19th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Where do they go if they want to send either to Scranton?

    Cashman has done a horrible job backing up this rotation w/ depth. Who is # 6 – Igawa? Rasner? For 200 million we ought to have better answers.

  365. Vrsce April 19th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Those players with potential will come around. The deadwood, Giambi, Mussina, and perhaps Damon are another story.

  366. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Hank isn’t going to make any statements.

    You go to work and you fix it. Its not like this is some dire consequence.

    Its 19 games into the season. Girardi and Cashman aren’t as fatalistic as the fans.

    If it means calling up another starter, they will do it.

    If it means bringing in fresh faces in the lineup, they will do it.

    Luckily, contrary to the belief of some in here, the season is not over. Long way to go to attend to the issues.

  367. Yankee Fan in Boston April 19th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    To be fair, there were a couple of pitches where the umpire just flat out got the call wrong. 2 strike pitches, at that. But he was trying to nibble, as is his style, and it wasn’t working. I’ve been saying since last season, it is very difficult for a pitcher of IPK’s type to be successful. He is a finesse pitcher.

    The A-Rod stat of being 1-18 w/RISP is terrifying…

  368. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    The offense needs to get going..something

  369. MoBoy April 19th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    How do we know Joba’s gonna be better then last year.He is good for two innings but what about 6.He ain’t gonna blow people away considering he has to pitch longer.

    And Alan Horne is injuried and Marquez sucks like Brad Smith did last year in AAA.

    WAtch Guridy in the post game.”Well Kennedy didn’t look good but I saw alot of imporvement.”

  370. Kj April 19th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    ok buddy

  371. Global Warming April 19th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    You have to start thinking about dumping these kids back into the minors. They are hurting the major league club and despite what you might think, this 200 million dollar team is built to win now, not nurture kids.

    Put Kennedy in the minors and build his confidence because this is starting to get ridiculous.

  372. scorpio April 19th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    The way Hughes & Kennedy (also Moose, but he won’t be going anywhere) the decision to move Joba to the roatation will be a no brainer.

  373. PAT M. April 19th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Pitching 101, 102 % 103 on the fast track is tough…However by Mid-May we’ll look back on these games and understand only then……Just keep in mind what both Hughes & Kennedy brought to the club last September….Try to remember the days of September, it’s coming to be fine….

  374. KO April 19th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    I still wouldn’t make the trade. Worst case they are 9-10 after tonight with a dead bullpen, Andy on the mound tomorrow and an off day to recover Monday. But yes, next week is big

  375. Yankee Fan in Boston April 19th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    I think Joba should hit the rotation, but not quite yet. Give the season about 10 more games, end of the month, see how things look.

  376. scorpio April 19th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    MoBoy, Joba was a STARTER in the minors.

  377. PayRod April 19th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    I can’t figure out who sucks more: Igawa, Mussina, Kennedy or Hughes.

  378. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    We’re struggling on offense but I am not looking at Brian Burres and saying “We can’t get 4 off this guy”. They’re down but it’s only the 4th inning.

    If we hold them at 4, we win this game.

  379. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    They go to two places. One, the temporary fix….Rasner or Igawa.

    Two, the permanent fix…..Joba to the rotation.

    It ain’t brain surgery folks. Take what may be the best arm in the league, who has been a starting pitcher for all but less than 40 innings in his LIFE, and put him in the rotation.

    Only question is when, not if at this point, IMO.

  380. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    oh god

  381. Dee April 19th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Any day now I’m preparing myself for a huge tantrum episode from Girardi.

    I feel really bad for Ian. Sure he’s a big boy and it’s the major league and the pressure comes with the territory blah blah blah, but right now he probably can’t think of any of the upside, he looks sick in the stomach.

    Any this rate the entire roster will need to be the bullpen. And why not, when only half the batting order is hitting and hardly anyone is playing defense. We can just have 5 position players out there it probably won’t make any difference based on the way they’ve been playing.

  382. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    “Maybe its just me but, its a tad early to make “no playoff proclaimations after 19 games.”

    Do you think the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are going to the playoffs? No, right. Why? Because they don’t have the goods to get them there. Right now, the Yankees haven’t shown me that they have it either. Pitchers who can’t throw strikes. Hitters who can’t hit with RISP. Sorry, that’s just not going to get the job done.

  383. Rick April 19th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Is that Brian Cashman in a cold sweat? No one ever thought these young pitchers could be this bad. And the Yankees have no one to turn to to this year. This is going to be a bumpy ride at least for awhile.

    I can see Rasner in the rotation in no time and Kennedy back at Scranton. I am for going for the young kids but Kennedy is not ready for the big show.

  384. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    michael kay is so dumm

  385. Dr. Acula April 19th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    kj, I’m not your buddy.

  386. Betsy April 19th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    It’s frustrating that we don’t have a pitcher who can take the lumps for the team. Joe can’t allow Ian or Phil to give up like 10 runs to save the pen and he can’t do it for Moose either at 39 years old. We need a guy who’s not good enough for us to worry about him taking one for the team…….we have zero leeway for this rotation. I don’t mind not making the playoffs, should we fail to do so, but I am very, very, very worried about the health of this bullpen. It’s not fair to do this to them. Bring up Rasner, pronto and use that Scranton Shuttle.

  387. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    CONO !

  388. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    MoBoy

    Not only was Joba a starter in the minors, he was throwing 97 in the 7th inning when he was a starter.

    I don’t know how long they will wait but I don’t see them pressing the panic button and putting him in the rotation just yet. It seems bad but it’s still only 19 games.

  389. Yankee Fan in Boston April 19th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Right now, I’m not even worried about Hughes and Kennedy as much as I am with Giambi and Damon getting time in the lineup. Damon has shown to be a squeaky wheel, so he’ll complain his way in. But it’s a real shame, because Matsui is the one losing out, and he’s one of stronger hitters right now.

    And with that Cano popup, I’m reminded of just how *weak* our team looks at the plate. We really look bad.

  390. Larry Mahnken April 19th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    I’m glad to see all of you guys are rational and patient.

    They’re kids. They’re gonna suck sometimes. And they’re gonna get better.

  391. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    I mean, really. Brian Burres? It’s not like they are facing Sandy Kofax. They should be beating the crap out of this guy. And what do we have? Cano popping up. A-Rod popping up. Molina bouncing into DPs. Some of these guys are making over 10M a year and they can’t get the ball out of the freakin’ infield.

  392. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    dr. acula…. no cool pictures from your link?????

    c’mon, it has been a bumpy start to the season, where are those funny pictures from last year.

  393. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Yeah, I’m not looking forward to the “Guridy” postgame.

    Well, actually, it’s a little intriguing.

  394. Abepeter April 19th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Kennedy should be on his way to Scranton right now. Rasner would be much better period. Also I’m thinking Igawa for Mussina in the very near future.

  395. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Yankee Fan in Boston -

    “To be fair, there were a couple of pitches where the umpire just flat out got the call wrong. 2 strike pitches,”

    When are you going to stop making up scuses for these kids???????

    wow.

  396. Dr. Acula April 19th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Work has been crazy, to say the least. I haven’t had a chance lately.

  397. Rick April 19th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Where’s Tyler Clippard when you need him? LOL

  398. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    There will be ups and downs with the kids. That is to be expected.

    I didn’t expect the ups and downs with the offense.

    It’s frustrating, but we will get through this. :)

  399. #9 April 19th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Maybe it’s time for Suzyn Waldman to announce:

    “Oh My goodness gracious – Rahjah Clemens is in George Steinbrenner’s box – he will be back in the Yankees rotation in 2008!!!!”

  400. Dr. Acula April 19th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Abepeter…thank you for using “period” so we know it is the end of your sentence.

  401. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Listen to that! Melvin Mora thinks that the O’s are one of the best teams in the AL East. That’s because the Yankees haven’t proved to him otherwise.

  402. Pete April 19th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Kennedy wasnt good today, but honestly what do you need to do to get a called strike?

    Ohlendorf just threw a 2-1 fastball right down the pipe and it was apparently low?

  403. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Larry Mahnken-

    “I’m glad to see all of you guys are rational and patient.

    They’re kids. They’re gonna suck sometimes”

    Well can they be good “sometimes” too? Anyone can be “bad” all the time guy.

  404. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Laura,

    Do you follow baseball at all?

    The war of attrition that is a baseball season means the best teams eventually rise up. The Rays simply do not have the talent level to maintain a winning percentage of .550+

    It doesn’t look it now but the Yankees do.

    Do you really think ARod will go 1-the season with RISP?
    Do you realize that as bad as Mussina, Kennedy and Hughes have been that we are still at 9-9?

    Feel free to jump off the ledge but you’ll miss the good times when they come.

  405. PreteFunkEra April 19th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    ca-NOOOOOO!!!!!

  406. YanksAngel April 19th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Nice stretch by Jorge

  407. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Cano with his fourth error. I miss Bowa being all over Cano.

  408. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    See what I mean? There is no excuse for that at the major league level.

  409. Abepeter April 19th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Dr.

    You’re welcome.

    Its just really frustrating.

  410. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    …I think Canò might be missing Larry Boa.

    Just a little.

  411. YankeeFanInVermont April 19th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    I wonder if Roger Clemens is available? 8|)

  412. Yankee Fan in Boston April 19th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Mlb: I’m calling it like I see it. I’m probably the biggest skeptic of Kennedy there is. He had a handful of innings last season after plowing thru the minors, and appeared to do decent in the majors. But I never saw anything from him to mark him special. I’m definitely not convinced he’s a major league pitcher. I definitely think, if we had an option, we should send Kennedy to the minors.

    Hughes I’m higher on, and think he has the stuff to get major leaguers out.

  413. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter
    April 19th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
    There will be ups and downs with the kids

    I just havent seen the ups lady.

  414. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    After tonight, and this one is still fresh in my mind, I’m more worried about Kennedy than Hughes.

    Not “worried” in the sense that I don’t think he will be a good ML pitcher. He will eventually be a good ML pitcher.

    I am “worried” in the sense that he is too timid within the strikezone. That may mean a Scranton stop.

    Hughes was better last night. Hughes will be fine.

    Kennedy needs to pitch with more confidence. He may need to find that in AAA.

    Hughes, at least in my mind, doesn’t pitch like he is lacking confidence. Kennedy does, and that may mean a stint in AAA.

    Error #4 for Robbie. A .170 BA and 4 errors in 18 games is not the way to stay in the lineup.

    Very, very frustrating night to date. They need some energy because they look dead right now.

  415. jyates29 April 19th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Check out gameday and check out how terrible this umpire is. Meanwhile can the Yankees actually play baseball?

  416. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    It pains me to report that they’re doing the “wave” at that cathedral of baseball purity, Fenway Pahk.

  417. BBB April 19th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    The Yankees pitchers couldn’t throw strikes or go deep into games and the hitters couldn’t hit with RISP this time last year either (and a lot farther into the season, too) and they still managed to make the playoffs, so I don’t think their early struggles this year mean they won’t either. We’re in much better shape now than we were then if only b/c the bullpen is better.

    The hits will come, but something needs to be done about the starting pitching situation. In my view, Igawa is not an option – he’s no better at going deep into games than Hughes and IPK are right now. Way worse in fact. Rasner and moving Joba to the rotation are options; the question is, which would the Yanks do first? Maybe Joba would be sent down to make a few starts, Rasner would come up at that time and theyd take it from there?

  418. Yankee Fan in Boston April 19th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    4 errors in 19 games? Are you kidding me? That’s just more Cano daydreaming. God he infuriates me.

  419. Jax April 19th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Did Bowa have issues with Girardi? He should have stayed.

  420. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Scott, I’ve been following the Yankees since I was in the womb so yes, I do follow baseball. Do I think A-Rod is going to suck all year? No. Am I glad that the Yankees are only 9-9 right now? Yes. Do I think we are built for the long hall? In our current condition, no way. I think that the offense will eventually come around, but as far as I’m concerned, our pitching just isn’t going to be good enough. Just my opinion.

  421. #9 April 19th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    “They need some energy because they look dead right now.”

    Is Shea Hilldebrand still available?!

  422. Andrew (Scott Proctor's Arm) April 19th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Start Ohlendorf?

  423. jyates29 April 19th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    They can’t hit, they aren’t fielding too well and they aren’t pitching too well, this is one of the more frustrating games I have seen in a long while.

  424. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Yankees suck!! admit it.

  425. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    so there’s this thing I’ve noticed a lot of the other teams have been doing latley that seems to help them win games. i was wondering what you guys thought about the yankees trying it: i forget what it’s called, but it’s where you have guys on like 2nd or 3rd base in an inning, and the hitter gets a hit, and those guys score, and the run total increases. what do you think?

  426. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    “Did Bowa have issues with Girardi? He should have stayed.”

    No and where the hell did you hear that ? he chose to go to LA w/ Torre

  427. SDJohn April 19th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Eric Hacker is outpitching Rick Porcello in Tampa tonight. 6 IP, no ER’s, 1 hit. Tampa winning 2-0. Our version of Nuke Laloosh (Dellin Betances) has 5 innings pitched, 5 walks, 5 K’S, NO ER in Charleston.

  428. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Yankees better get good pitching soon. Or soon I will start thinking they are really rebuilding the.

  429. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 19th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    So I have to ask everyone:

    Would you sacrifice this year to lay the foundations of a team that can win championships in the 2010s?

    I would.

  430. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    No harm done with the error by Robbie, Ohlendorf strikes out Millar and we go to the 5th. Burres doesn’t sound like he is dominating by any means, the Yankees have just missed out on a couple of opportunities. As long as Ohlendorf can put up one or two more zeroes on the board, the Yankees are still very much alive in this one.

  431. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Two things frustrate me:

    1. Ohlendorf is too good to be a long man. For those of you worried about finding a replacement for Joba in the 8th inning, here is your guy. His stuff is too good to be wasted as a long man.

    Its why their long term solution to their starting pitching issues is Joba. They just have to have the onions to do it faster than they wanted to.

    2. Damon and Giambi. Its pretty tough to rip on kids like Kennedy and Moose who are just starting their careers. Sure, it can be frustrating to watch bad performances but, it goes with the territory with young players.

    What’s the excuse for two guys, making a combined 35 million bucks this year, to be this bad?

    That’s more frustrating to me than anything. Veteran players who are just cashing checks.

    You can cash’em but, I’d prefer they cash them from the bench and not in the lineup.

  432. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Damon is 34 going on 45.

  433. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    This is ludacris come on people.

  434. Keith FL April 19th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    a guy who can hit and would wake up this offense is in the minors…Duncan….nice move Cashman….also, have to love trying to win with 2 kids in the rotation and having the best 1-2 bullpen in baseball, and veterans all over the field…I’ll say it till I’m blue in the face this team was crying out for Santana and the Sox were so afraid we were going tog et him…..an ace available in his prime…..not Johnson old…not Pavano, Wright, Brown, Vazquez, etc….anyone still want to sign Sabathia?????? Aces just don’t come available that often, should have gotten him period Cashman…..I don’t think I’m being irrational, just responding to my teams’s dumb lack of a move to get Santana after seeing them go after all of these other pitchers over the years….

  435. Yankee Fan in Boston April 19th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    SJ44:

    That’s how I feel about Kennedy and Hughes. Hughes has the stuff, he’s major league, he just needs to pitch in the majors more.

    Kennedy is a nibbler; that’s his style. He’s missing, but a lot of the time he’s just missing. How many times, when Kennedy is pitching, do you wait for the ump’s call on a close pitch. At least for me, a lot of pitchers I just know if its a strike ora ball by location. With Kennedy, it seems more at the discretion of the umpire, because all his pitches are close.

    He’s not getting the calls, and getting frustrated, and making bad pitches. That’s an experience issue that can and should be worked on in the minors.

    He’s going to need to have pinpoint control to pitch his game, and he’s not doing it right now.

  436. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Laura – If you follow baseball then you know this happens with young pitchers. Being a fan, you can react however you want. Rant, rave, be rational, go crazy…whatever. That’s your perogative.

    That said, when you say things like

    “I mean, really. Brian Burres? It’s not like they are facing Sandy Kofax. They should be beating the crap out of this guy. And what do we have? Cano popping up. A-Rod popping up. Molina bouncing into DPs. Some of these guys are making over 10M a year and they can’t get the ball out of the freakin’ infield”

    It sounds like you really have no grasp on the game. It’s craziness to extrapolate a week of games and say “This is how my team will be all year”. It’s even crazier to do that about one game.

    Relax. They’ll hit, they’ll pitch and they’ll win.

  437. Todd Parlato April 19th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    2 words: BARRY BONDS

  438. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    “I will start thinking they are really rebuilding the”

    they are and Damon sucks btw

  439. BBB April 19th, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    “They need some energy because they look dead right now.”

    Well at least this one’s easy to fix…with Molina able to catch again, Shelley will be back up, right?

    Personally I want to see more Shelley and Ensberg, less Giambi at 1b in the near future.

  440. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Case in point. Another mail in AB from Johnny Damon.

    Paging Brett Gardner on the white courtesy phone please.

  441. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    I have no problem with us going into full rebuilding mode, but do it 100%. This half a$$ job isn’t working.

  442. Vrsce April 19th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    SJ 44,
    Agreed but you forgot to mention Mussina, his obstinate stance and lame pitching is appalling and a very bad example.

  443. Yankee Fan in Boston April 19th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    SJ44: Again, totally agreed. Damon and Giambi are dead weight now, but they keep getting time in the lineup. These are not the shoulders I want this season resting on.

    Damon talks a good game, but he’s just completely dead at the plate. And the shift has rendered anyhting Giambi has left as useless.

  444. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    “Would you sacrifice this year to lay the foundations of a team that can win championships in the 2010s?”

    Yeah the only problem is that….

    Mariano Rivera will be two years older.

    Jorge will be two years older.

    When these kids are ready we will have far greater problems than the ones we have now.

    thats why I wanted the Yankees to get Santana.

    I have no idea what the Yankees were thinking by not getting santana.

    This team is not going to win in maybe 10 more years.

  445. steve April 19th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    I don’t care how terrible your pitching is… You can’t win games if you don’t score runs.

  446. PreteFunkEra April 19th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    What is David Wells doing? Seriously… Why not? He’ll come cheap, he can pitch decently. What would be the downside?

  447. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    There will be far more pieces to fix than now. Later on that is.

  448. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    “I have no idea what the Yankees were thinking by not getting santana.”

    You think they would have scored more runs if Santana was pitching?

  449. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    4 hits over 5 innings… When did Josh Beckett sign with Baltimore.

  450. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Cashman should be fired.

  451. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    SJ – Gardner is exactly what this team needs. It’s a SHAME He’s being blocked by Damon’s paycheck.

    Laura – We can’t just go into full rebuilding mode due to guaranteed contracts. We are paying this dead weight millions. They have a history of performing (well, Damon does…Giambi has been injured and sucked for a while).

    19 games is still too small a sample to say what anyone will do for the other 143. Damon started out awful last year and had a nice 2nd half which really helped us.

  452. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    I have a question here: Dave Eiland? His presence, his promotion, was for being so good with Hughes, Kennedy, et al. – the young pitchers. What do you think is going on in this regard?

  453. PAT M. April 19th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Just think back to last April…What were they 10 out by May 1st…..Really folks, it’s just the 3rd weekend of the season…I don’t think they’ve had a better record at this juction of the season in maybe 10 years…..Get a grip….If they can manage .500 for April I’ll take it…I just can not imagine that Kennedy is going down after a handful of starts….Besides the options are not very promising…There is a plan as SJ,CB & Randy 1 and several others have pointed out…It’s not a three week plan..I’m more concerned with the likes of Giambi, Damon, and to a lesser degree Cano….To be rebuilding and still be a playoff team is unheard of in Pro Sports…The Yanks are going against the grain on this, and they will prosper…Stick with it, you really have no choice….

  454. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    PreteFunkEra

    Last year he had a 5.43 ERA in a cavernous pitchers park in the NL West, which was an awful hitting division.

    If we’re going to have a pitcher who’s ERA is near 7, let it be a kid learning rather than a WAY over the hill vet.

  455. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    We’re not going to win if our leadoff man isn’t consistently getting on base. Damon is battling .203 which means that he hasn’t been on base too often so far. He’s got to do better.

    As for Giambi, he’s all or nothing. He either hits a home run or he makes an easy out. He should really try to beat the shift by hitting more balls to the left side of the field. I thought that he was working on that during spring training. What happened to his game plan?

  456. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Rebecca,

    You can have both. You can lay the foundation for the future AND compete for a playoff spot this year. Which, when all is said and done, will happen this year.

    Forget about people talking in here about the season being “over” after 19 games. That’s just nonsense talk.

    They were 11-19 last year, were still at .500 at the AS Break, and made the playoffs.

    Stuff isn’t working? You fix it.

    Its not like this is Cashman’s first rodeo re: making in season changes.

    If a guy isn’t yet ready for primetime, as Kennedy may be right now, make a change.

    What chaps me, are veterans mailing in AB’s. That frosts me more than ANYTHING a young player does.

    Look at Melky. Look at how much better he is this year.

    Its an example of how young players blossom if you are patient with them.

    Vets? I am more of a mercenary when it comes to veteran players.

    I have ZERO loyalty to Giambi and Damon. They can’t play? Replace them.

    Put Gardner and Duncan in the lineup. Giambi and Damon can go to the bench.

    If nothing else, there will be a helluva lot more energy in the lineup.

    If Gardner reaches first, its a double. If Damon reaches first, he either sleepwalks into a DP or just stays there.

    Gotta do different things to ignite an offense when you aren’t hitting. If the personnel on the roster precludes you from doing so, you change the personnel.

    The day off Monday is going to be interesting. Something tells me we will see a personnel move or two next week.

  457. dc76 April 19th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Between Mussina, Kennedy and Hughes something has to give. We are essentially seeing the worst case scenario with these three. The question is what can they do? Rasner? Henn? Igawa? None of those seem like much of an improvement to me.

    What is Cashman’s plan B?

  458. jose April 19th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    how about freddy garcia?

  459. Alex April 19th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Don’t all be too quick to rail on Giambi. He’s simply had some bad luck this year, as many of his outs have been flyouts. He still has more BB’s than K’s, and is actually sometimes going the other way. He’s not done by any means, and is still quite capably of having an OPS close to 900. His bat is too good to simply throw him on the bench. He just needs a bit more time to get this timing down. Give him at least 50 at-bats, then judge.

  460. We MIss Paulie April 19th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Oh oh….we KNEW the Santana “I told you so’s” were going to come out.

    So who do you think would be in CF?

  461. bronxbomber77 April 19th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    At least Damon’s wife is hot…

    Giambi has a bull dog…

    I say we keep Damon, send Giambi and his mutt a-packing…

  462. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    “19 games is still too small a sample to say what anyone will do for the other 143. Damon started out awful last year and had a nice 2nd half which really helped us.”

    I know, Scott. But I just get so tired of us having to claw our way back during the season. For once, it would be nice to just hit the ground running and never stop until the end.

  463. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    “”Laura
    April 19th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
    “I have no idea what the Yankees were thinking by not getting santana.”

    You think they would have scored more runs if Santana was pitching?”

    Baseball is about momentum. With that being said.What momemtum are the yankees getting from these pitcher going 2innings a piece.

    Sitting on the field for hald an hour, waiting for ian, kennedy or mussina to throw a strike is no fun.

    Santana would had provided the Yankees with that momemtum.

    Yankees hitters go out to play not knowing what they going to be getting from these pitchers, Is’t two innings, three, or maybe one.

    Yeah that makest them want to score 6 runs a night, knowing they will be out score anyways.

  464. SDJohn April 19th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    I had less bitching and moaning on the road trip with my 2 kids in the truck for 8 hours to Minneapolis this weekend. First, the offense will come around no matter how crappy it looks now. Unless Santana can play d, and pitch everyday, the Santana trade does us nothing, except have to watch Damon and Matsui in the same outfield, and have to watch Igawa pitch every 5th day. Hughes will be fine. Now don’t make me stop this car!!!!

  465. MiLB April 19th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    We admit it, The Yankees suck big time.

  466. bronxbomber77 April 19th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Someone get Freddy Garcia on the phone and offer him $5 mil from June until Oct.

    With a team option for $10M next year.

    DEPTH!

  467. Vrsce April 19th, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    At least the idiot talk of “trolls” has ended.

  468. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Laura

    Damon at least looks like he’s trying. He’s in shape and healthy and he can still play. He’ll hit.

    Giambi has the look of a player whose skills have deserted him. He looked good when he was trying to go the other way. Now he looks like pull happy and it kills him.

    Of the two, Giambi is the bigger problem. He simply HAS to start hitting the other way.

  469. Alex April 19th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Unfortunately, Shelly Duncan is not the answer. He simply has too many holes in his swing to think that he will consistently be able to get on base or hit for power vs RH. Versus LH he is a very good option. But if you guys think that he’ll hit well with any kind of soft-stuff or breaking stuff you’re mistaken.

  470. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Little Papi just K’d looking. .130 average to fall.

  471. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Doreen,

    Here is what I tell people when they ask about the pitching or hitting coach.

    Does anybody think the pitching coach is saying, “don’t throw strikes. Walk 5 in 2 1/3 innings”.

    Does anybody think the hitting coach is saying, “Alex, please go 2-16 w/RISP”?

    My point is, coaches, coach and players, play.

    Once you get between the lines, its up to the players to execute.

    There is nothing wrong with the coaching staff and there is nothing wrong with Joe Girardi.

    Its up to the players to execute. If they don’t, you change the players.

    Hughes and Kennedy are going through growing pains. I know younger fans HATE hearing that because they have never followed a Yankee team with two rookies in the rotation before. But, that’s the reality of the situation.

    If Moose had anything left, the Hughes and Kennedy starts wouldn’t have so much meaning. Unfortunately, they do because Moose looks cooked.

    You keep grinding and you keep fighting. Its all you can do.

  472. dc76 April 19th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Forget about Santana – that contract was ridiculous(in terms of guarunteed years) The Yankees are much better off for not getting into long-term deals with pitchers in their late twenties

  473. We MIss Paulie April 19th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    Yankees suck? Really? Let’s re-visit that in August.

  474. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    SDJohn

  475. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    “Put Gardner and Duncan in the lineup. Giambi and Damon can go to the bench.”

    That sounds great except that Hank and Co are paying these guys millions. You think they want them sitting on their butts on the bench, doing nothing? I just don’t see that happening.

  476. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    Laura

    I could not agree more but this was never going to be that season. Too many question marks, young or old.

    I think we will be successful come September but it’s gonna be a struggle. Don’t lose faith though. This is the right plan.

  477. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    I love you Ross Ohlendorf
    runs please

  478. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    One has to believe in the law of averages; that things will get right. I think the Yankees are actually in a good position in that no other team in their division is going crazy with the wins – no one is pulling away, at least not yet. They can afford to not panic yet, because they are not losing a lot of ground here.

    Frankly, I thought Kennedy was going to be fine tonight after last week’s very good appearance. So this was a disappointment. But no one is more disappointed than Ian himself, I am sure.

    One other thought: Everyone who’s saying they wish the Yankees would just go into full rebuild mode, that they could handle that better than this: I seriously don’t believe any of you. :lol:

  479. nathan April 19th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Glad many here are acing the “lets see if we remain patient test” & “we are ok if we miss the playoffs, if the 3 kids develop test”

  480. James April 19th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    SJ44:
    Has Ross O. ever been a successful starter? He seems to have real good stuff, a couple good power pitches. Could they stretch him out and maybe try him as a starter? I think I remember him having injury issues before but not sure.

  481. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    “Santana would had provided the Yankees with that momemtum.”

    what momentum, he got knocked around by the Brewers an quivalent team of the Tampa Rays, our offense is sleeping, it’s been hurt by Damon and Giambi and the rotation really was ok until Moose farted in the Bronx. Santana would not only have taken Melky but 2 other pitchers , it didn’t happen move on, and I’ll wait for the I told you sos late July.

  482. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Yeah, let’s sign Freddie Garcia.

    He is throwing 82 MPH in his workouts right now.

    Good call! Let’s sign him!

  483. Betsy April 19th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    But why is Joba the savior of this rotation? I mean he’s still a kid – no matter his arm – and he IS going to have his struggles. We really can not pretend otherwise – he’s no different than any other highly touted prospect just because he’s Joba. I think we have two potential aces in Phil and Joba, no question, and Joba in the rotation (whenever that is) is a no brainer. However, I just can not agree that he’s going to come close to dominating this year and being our lifeline. Joba, just like Phil (and Ian, but Ian does not have anywhere close to the potential of the other two) is going to have to deal with the best hitters in the world, more than once around, with more than two pitches. He can do it and he will be excellent, but his arm can’t change the fact that he’s still young. It’s much different coming out of the pen than it is starting…..

    We need a long man right now and even though I don’t like Rasner (just so mediocre), right now I don’t care. I don’t care about losing games as much as I care about the health of the pitchers in our bullpen. Poor Ross Ohlendorf – if they ruin him with his bouncing around, I’m not going to forgive this team.

  484. YanksAngel April 19th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Thank god for Ross!!

  485. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Ohlendorf is going along smoothly, two strikeouts in that inning. Middle of the order up here, time to do some damage and to try to get a foothold in this game.

  486. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    MAn if the Yankees win 80 games this year. I will be surprise.

  487. We Miss Paulie April 19th, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    I’d say Hank wouldn’t give a rats ass how much they’re making. He’s paying them either way so at this point, you cut the loss and get someone in the lineup who can play.

  488. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Yes, coaches coach and players play, but I’m not completely sold on Bobby Meacham yet.

  489. Ryan April 19th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Ohlendorf came to the Yanks as a starter, right?
    Have him stretch him out and have him replace Kennedy in the rotation.

  490. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    The offense needs to get back to having good at bats, fouling off pitches, making pitchers work for their outs etc…

    It’s still only 4-0. If it stays at 4, I still think we win this game. This IS Camden Yards after all. It’s the original new stadium bandbox.

  491. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    “”it didn’t happen move on, and I’ll wait for the I told you sos late July.””

    Yeah lets see if me, or you saying that.

  492. Abepeter April 19th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Duncan for Giambi
    Gardner for Damon
    Rasner for Kennedy
    Anyone for Mussina

    BTW Joba can go further than IPK has been going lately anyway

  493. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Ohlendorf was a starter. He’s best suited as a short reliever.

    That’s why I want Joba in the rotation. Ollie can take his place.

    Laura,

    They put Damon and Giambi on the bench last year. JMO but, if by the middle of May both guys are this bad, they will go to the bench again.

    They will get paid whether or not they play or not. They won’t play 140 games this year unless both guys play a LOT better than they have to start this season.

  494. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    “I think we will be successful come September but it’s gonna be a struggle. Don’t lose faith though. This is the right plan.”

    I hope you are right, Scott.

  495. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    SJ44 –

    I know, you’re right. Ultimately, the players play, the pitchers pitch, the coaches coach.

    Ohlendorf is doing a nice job tonight.

  496. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    The first rebuilding team with $200+ salary. What a joke.

  497. Laura April 19th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    I’m sorry – But A-Rod popping up two and three times a night is really starting to grate on my nerves.

  498. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    MLb
    April 19th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
    Some people here seem to have descended from the chimpanzee later than others.

    There is goes the Typical Yankee fan. Why he had to say that?

  499. Keith FL April 19th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    I would have signed Aaron Rowand for CF if Cabrera was traded for Santana….not sure how you have a 37 year old closer, 36 year old catcher and not go out and get an ace….even if we make the playoffs, we still don’t have the starting pitching like the last 4 years..we needed 2 ace pitchers Wang (keep your fingers crossed) and Santana, then I would ahve liked our chances to bring #27….

  500. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Laura – Me too! I live and die with the Yankees…I just learned not to die in April ;-)

    Mlb – Clearly you don’t understand what they are trying to do, and what they are saddled with while trying.

  501. Jax April 19th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    I don’t think I can take this offense any longer. 2 runs against the O’s so far?
    This is ridiculous.

  502. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    “I think we will be successful come September but it’s gonna be a struggle. Don’t lose faith though. This is the right plan.”

    Yeah i believe that also, but it will be to late to make the playoff.

  503. Yankee Fan in Boston April 19th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    When we went from Torre to Girardi, one of the things I was hoping for was a loss of the loyalty to the big money like Damon and Giambi. Instead, we get shuffles on the lineup that are clearly to get Damon and Giambi “fair” playing time. And it’s killing us. And I’m tired of it.

    Damon can’t hit. Giambi can’t hit. Stop putting those outs in the lineup.

    Tonight, we lost Abreu for Damon. That’s patently ridiculous.

  504. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    I take back what I said about Bobby Meacham, his Baseball Reference page is sponsored by this blog!

    http://www.baseball-reference......bo01.shtml

  505. MiLB April 19th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    MLb
    April 19th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
    Some people here seem to have descended from the chimpanzee later than others.

    ——

    Yes, MLb, I fully agree with you.

  506. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    yankees wanted a change.

    But you just cant make a change for the sake of makiing a change. It has to make sence and this doesn’t make sence.

  507. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Brian Burres.

    Really, Yankees?

  508. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Here comes out trip into the vaunted Baltimore bullpen.

    Game’s far from over, folks.

    Laura – ARod’s pressing. He is like this a lot when the offense suffers because he thinks he has to do it all himself. He’s the best hitter in baseball. He’ll come around.

  509. We Miss Paulie April 19th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    If you guys are freaking out now, what were you like last year? This team will either find their groove or be fixed, it’s early and Girardi/Cash aren’t stupid. Just sit tight

  510. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    “I would have signed Aaron Rowand for CF if Cabrera was traded for Santana”

    this is genius at it’s finest I mean to hell w/ the future position players lets over spend on a hitter who came from the band box in Philly, see w/ Santana everything is is solved.

  511. Alex April 19th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Those of you who think Ohlendorf can step-in and be an 8th inning guy and replace Joba RIGHT NOW are pipe dreaming. He’s good, but not THAT good, and is at this point a very good long-man (which the team needs), or a reliable 6th/7th inning guy. Unfortunately, you can’t be the primary set-up man when you’ve talked 5 in 11 innings. He may potentially evolve to be an 8th inning guy, but he’s not quite there yet.

  512. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Interesting move. Pay 50 million bucks for a player (Rowand) not as good as Melky.

    I’ll pass.

  513. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Paulie –

    These are all new posters — last year’s bunch jumped off the ledge! :lol:

  514. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    yankees wanted a change.

    But you just cant make a change for the sake of makiing a change. It has to make sence and this doesn’t make sence.

    I mean it makes sence for people who don’t know baseball.

  515. robbb April 19th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Once again, for the Red Sux, another come from behind win –something yanks probably will never see this season.

    You hear it here first: Mo won’t get another save until June 1.

  516. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Alex

    Just because Joba’s been lights out unhittable it does not logically follow that his replacement must be as good.

    Ohlendorf is plenty capable of excelling in the 8th inning role, today.

    Will he be Joba? No.
    And he doesn’t have to be.

  517. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Can’t go by the walks with Ollie when you realize he is pitching as a longman. Which isn’t his role.

    Can he pitch the 8th right now? Probably not.

    Can he pitch the 8th by June? I don’t see why not.

    The issue is, if 3/5 of your rotation can’t keep you in games, a setup guy is worthless.

    Which is why Joba needs to be in the rotation.

    Another option for a second half promotion to the Yankees is Mark Melancon. Two more scoreless innings tonight for Tampa.

    That’s 5 straight outings, totaling 9 innings, of scoreless baseball for Melancon.

  518. We Miss Paulie April 19th, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Doreen,

    I guess there is an endless supply!

  519. Evil Empire April 19th, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    sure the yankees are always slow to start. but i think the lineup needs a major switch due to damon and giambis ineffectiveness. my proposed lineup would be:

    Melky CF
    Jeter SS
    Abreu RF
    Arod 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Duncan 1B
    Damon LF

    damon hit miserably last year and is showing the same this year. giambi? no thanks.

  520. Rob NY April 19th, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    lol so where do all the people who dont want to read the insane cry baby attitude go? It gets really annoying seeing the “we should have gotten santana” “the whole team sucks and we wont make the playoffs.” “this guy is done that guy is done OH MAN HE GOT A HIT WHY DOESNT HE PLAY MORE” responses after every single at bat. I love to read the normal folks but maybe I should start avoiding the IGT…

  521. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    MLB it’s been an old team getting older, if we have to take the lumps early so be it, it’s now about getting younger and hungrier, the old blue print expired, get it through your thick skull already.

  522. We Miss Paulie April 19th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    I think Joe probably would have left his this situation alone to be loyal to his vets, but I’m hoping Girardi shakes this up big time.

  523. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    robbb

    If you want to wager on that, feel free to email me.

  524. Vrsce April 19th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Rob NY
    You have said the same stuff before, but you never go.

  525. We Miss Paulie April 19th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Oh great.

  526. Rob NY April 19th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    I agree with you SJ Melancon is a beast. Im waiting on JB Cox to settle in and find a groove too because the big texan is a dominant guy.

    That said, what’s the deal with Sanchez? When is he scheduled to start getting in games?

  527. Betsy April 19th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    What do you guys think about Moose’s effect on Hughes? Some people on a board I frequent regularly are starting to get concerned that Moose is having a negative effect on Phil (he’s nibbling and that’s because Moose is now a nibbler, that kind of thing). Personally, I think that’s rubbish; Moose knows a ton about pitching and has lots of wisdom that he can impart.

    As to Phil, this is what I posted elsewhere (pertaining to a conversation we were having about command and control; I had asked why it wouldn’t just stay with you from the minors to the majors):

    I imagine that the scouts and experts who made Phil the # 1 pitching prospect in baseball must have seen that his control and command were not a product of flailing minor leaguers but actually of his own ability. In any case, perhaps with Phil, he’s struggling because he is so used to dominating. Now, he’s not (not that he’s expected to right off the bat) and because he’s not, he’s lost confidence in himself. He’s saying the right things, but I think subconsciously he must be asking himself “what the heck has happened and why have I lost my stuff and command?”. In essence, I guess for Phil, he’s lost confidence and thence the nibbling. If his problem is confidence, I don’t see this as a quick fix and I’m not sure there’s anything Eiland can do. It’s up to Phil, really – maybe one day he’ll just have a “Eureka” moment and realize that – hey, he has the talent to be a really big winner in this league, so why futz around?

    Maybe it’s like an extremely bright high school student who goes to a very good college and doesn’t get nearly the grades he did at high school because (a) he’s in against a bigger pool of equally talented students and, more importantly, (b) that student needs to work harder to make the most of his ability when faced with other exceptionally bright students. Once the student adjusts to college life, with the different classes and other lifestyle changes, he’s fine. Of course, this isn’t the perfect analogy – Phil worked exceptionally hard in the off-season and not everyone, even in the majors, is as talented as he is – but the gist of it fits, I think. Phil needs to adjust to this bigger, better level and if he does, his talent will carry him far.

    Thoughts? I just know Phil has the stuff, the command and the makeup – all the attributes – necessary to be an ace. In ST, Girardi called him a thoroughbred, a natural leader. I know that that is in Phil just waiting to come out.

  528. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Evil Empire

    Considering how he started, Damon hit .270, 12 HR, 63 RBI, 27 SB’s and scored 93 runs. I think your characterization that he hit “miserably” last year is a bit overstating it…dontcha think?

  529. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Rob,

    I personally love the predictions:

    “They won’t win 80 games”.

    “Mo won’t have another save until June 1″.

    When I read such comedy, I’m often tempted to ask, “Would you put your life on the line for your predictions”.

    C’mon, you pay big money for this type of entertainment on a Saturday night. We get it for free in here! lol

  530. The New York Yankees April 19th, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    I wonder who’s faster, Gardner or Ellsbury?

  531. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Really nice job by Ohlendorf tonight.

  532. Alex April 19th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    SJ44,

    Ohlendorf in June? Maybe. Melancon? Too far away, maybe in August (he needs innings in the minors). Shifting Joba to the rotation now is not the answer either, unfortunately. He won’t be comfortable in that role (especially with everything that’s gone on with family) and considering the fact that some scouts and organizational people were concerned with some fastball command problems he had as a starter. Those won’t magically go away. If the team needs a reliable third starter, promote Rasner. I think he can do a 4.5 ERA type job against the Baltimores, Seattles, and Toronto. He won’t shoot himself in the foot like the kids are right now.

  533. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Ohlendorf has done a great job
    Can the Yankees bats get something going here?

  534. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Brandon-”it’s now about getting younger and hungrier, the old blue print expired, get it through your thick skull already.”

    but they signed a 36 year old catcher and 39 year old closer.

    So tell me brandon who should i believe???? huh??

  535. Blargh April 19th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    “Those of you who think Ohlendorf can step-in and be an 8th inning guy and replace Joba RIGHT NOW are pipe dreaming. He’s good, but not THAT good, ”

    To paraphrase CB,
    Most pitchers in the league don’t have Joba’s arm in the first place
    Replacing Joba with Joba-like is just about impossible
    For replacing Joba with a good 8th inning pitcher on the other hand, Ohlendorf has the potential

  536. Dee April 19th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    “Would you sacrifice this year to lay the foundations of a team that can win championships in the 2010s?”

    Yes I am willing to wait for the pitching, because I knew this coming into the season. 3 out of our 5 starting pitchers make a combined less than $5 millions a year. But why should we have to wait for the offense? We are supposed to have 7 of the best hitters in the entire league, making over $120 millions a year. Why should we have to wait. and the bigger question is, why can’t they get a damn run against Brian Burres???

  537. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Sanchez has just started throwing off the mound.

    I’d say he is a month away from game action.

    3 scoreless innings for Ollie. That’s solid work for a guy who isn’t a longman.

    They are wasting him in that role.

    Hopefully, the off day on Monday brings a few changes to the roster.

  538. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    some hits this inning would be swell.

  539. miggs April 19th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Ohlendorf saving the bullpen again. Now if we could only mount some sort of rally…

  540. Rico April 19th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Damon is a fluke that’s worn out his welcome. He’s lucky this game is in Baltimore. The boo birds and of course the Bleacher Creatures would have no mercy on him tonight.
    Time to get his silly Boston smirk off his face.

  541. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    “I wonder who’s faster, Gardner or Ellsbury?”

    Ellsbury by a fourth of a second, I still believe Brett will be the better hitter.

  542. Joe from Long Island April 19th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    I wonder how much of IPK’s problem is mental.

    Last season, he was a different pitcher, with much better control. The difference, I think, is that he had a partial season of success, albeit in the minors. This year, it’s like starting from square one, and he’s lost. We know that the mental aspect of athletic performance is important, maybe that’s the issue here. We know, I think, that he has the physical skills. Whether he needs to go back for a “refresher course” to Scranton is something for the professionals, like Joe G. and Dave Eiland, to figure out. I just know that I’m not ready to ditch him – from our organization, I mean, not necessarily from the major league team for said refresher course.

  543. Quiet Observer April 19th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Maybe they should make ohlendorf a starter. at least he can throw strikes

  544. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Mlb

    If they did not sign Rivera and/or Posada, who would have replaced them?

  545. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    If they did not sign Rivera and/or Posada, who would have replaced them?

    gee, hard question let me see,oh, oh , how about someone younger. Aren’t they rebuilding?…there is alot of pitchers with good upside that can throw hard out there. After is waste year as we rebuilding.

  546. Alex April 19th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Blargh,

    When I say replace, I mean even the type of job that Scot Shields. There are many things that point to Ohlendorf not being able to break a 3 ERA. That’s fine for the 7th inning, not quite good enough for the 8th. He occasionally has command problems, and his slider is inconsistent, and it’d be unfair to him for everybody here to all of a sudden start railing on him when he gives up a game-tying run in the 8th. He needs more time as a middle reliever/long-man to get improve his consistency.

  547. Marc from Portland Maine April 19th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Ummm, are some of you actually listening to mlb? I don’t think his mother does. Let it go guys.

  548. James April 19th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    I’m glad Damon didn’t swing at that 3rd strike. Would’ve looked worse when he missed on that meatball.

  549. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Melancon needs 30-35 innings in the minors to be ready to contribute this season. He already has 11 after tonight.

    They are throwing him in 2 inning increments for a reason. To fast track him to NY.

    If he continues to perform well, I bet he is in Trenton by May 15, Scranton by June 15, and the Yankees after the AS Break.

    Aggressive? Yes. But, that seems to be the timetable based on his usage to date.

    Joba is a beast. There is no way he isn’t ready to pitch in the rotation. His dad’s illness has nothing to do with it.

    If anything, it will motivate him even more.

    If he is transitioned by Mid-May, he will still be under his innings cap after 22-25 starts.

    Johnny Damon sleepwalks through another game. Ugh. Painful to watch a guy who used to be a great player look like this.

  550. The New York Yankees April 19th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    >>“I wonder who’s faster, Gardner or Ellsbury?”

    >>Ellsbury by a fourth of a second, I still believe Brett
    will be the better hitter.

    you mean for the 100 m?

  551. pat April 19th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Everyone seems so out of sync offensively.

    I would like to see Girardi stick with one line-up for a few days to see if they can get some sort of a rhythm going.

  552. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Well, ok

    Someone younger.

    Does that someone have a name? Because no one in the entire system was ready to replace either of them.

  553. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    lol. i actually thought they were gonna get something going that inning. what was i thinking?

  554. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    “but they signed a 36 year old catcher and 39 year old closer.

    So tell me brandon who should i believe???? huh??”

    what the…. Posada was signed because he is the best hitting catcher in the game right now. Molina was resigned because he’s one of the best game calling catchers , I don’t get what you mean by who should I believe, if anything that comment should have went to why is Ensberg here or why hasn’t Damon been traded.

  555. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    ugh, Iak could’ve pitched a gem and we might still be in the same boat if the Yankees can’t get on base.

    We seriously need 6-7 from Andy tomorrow.

  556. NY April 19th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    I think the difference is that Kennedy got married….=) Sorry ladies

  557. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    I can’t believe how flat the Yankees look. They look like they are just going throught the motions. I know that they are better than this.

  558. Marc from Portland Maine April 19th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    It’s just getting really embarrassing reading this blog which I ask my friends to check out too.

  559. Pepitone April 19th, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    The Yankees will not, and should not IMO, make any changes until around the first week of July. That’s the time most teams evaluate their ballclub in terms of what their needs are. Baseball, more than any other sport, is like a marathon race, those in front in the beginning rarely win in the end.

    With that said, what if what is happening now is still going on then? What then? Who should go? I don’t see anyone willing to take on the huge contracts of Giambi and Damon. Cano wouldn’t be good trade bait if he is still hitting .170 in July. It will be interesting.

    What do you guys think?

  560. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Just love that Derek Jeter as car salesman commercial! :)

    Maybe all the “Generation Trey” and “Three Amigos” and whatever else hype that’s been going on hasn’t done Ian (or Phil maybe) much good. As mature as they’ve been (one of the reasons they decided to go with these guys was their maturity and “make-up”), they are after all very young men.

  561. Vrsce April 19th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Marc

    You and Rob should form your own blog.
    2 wild and crazy guys.

  562. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Brandon- dont change my question, you said “getting younger”, thats not getting younger, even if is the best hitter in world.

    You know you only getting maybe two more good years out of posada right?…if not, I don’t know how much you know about baseball statistics.

  563. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Doreen-

    Maybe all the “Generation Trey” and “Three Amigos”

    generation “trey” will soon be generation one. as only Joba will remain, you’ll see.

  564. CaptainsCorner April 19th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    They just showed Cashman on the phone was he ordering a pitcher who can pitch more then 2 innings?

  565. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Pepitone

    Cano’s not going anywhere. He’s elite level talent and he will hit.

    We are stuck with Giambi, Damon and Mussina all year. I’m all for benching the hitters a few days in hopes of reigniting them. What to do with Mussina…I have no idea. Rasner may be the better option but I think I’d still rather see Moose than Igawa.

  566. Rob NY April 19th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Vrsce you and MLb should start one too… we are useless and have no meaningful input at all, ignore what we say.

  567. Little Chip April 19th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Let them eat ice cream, might make them hit better!

  568. gooch April 19th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Tonight was the first night Girardi did not allow the starter to stay in too long and blow the game. I thought Girardi left Mussina in too long twice, Kennedy and Hughes in too long once. Where is Shely Duncan? Does Girardi not like him? While Hughes and Kennedy got shelled again this weekend, Santana struck out 10 the other night.

  569. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    we need to score some runs at some point..
    Did they forget how? :|

  570. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    brandon-

    “Posada was signed because he is the best hitting catcher in the game right now.”

    You said right now. Watch this blog talk about Posada just like they talk Giamby and damon three years from now.

  571. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Uh Oh Ross

  572. Vrsce April 19th, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Rob,

    You truly are of no use, which is why you should be a man and do as you said you would.

  573. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    “You know you only getting maybe two more good years out of posada right?…if not, I don’t know how much you know about baseball statistics.”

    wait wait wait wait wait wait..your arguing keeping a player in his primes is not like he was from another team, he’s our guy he was probably the 2nd MVP on this team last season, and your telling me because he gets signed that’s why I go after Santana ? Santana is losing velocity already in a few yrs. that extension will be a burden to the club, Jorge can hit past 37 and can be the back up catcher, the 1B or DH in a few yrs.

    I still don’t get your arguement.

  574. Abepeter April 19th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Rasner is better than most people on this board give him credit for. Last year when the Yankees were going 11-19, they were 3-3 in his starts and he opposed Bedard, Blanton, Carmona, Washburn (twice) and Glavine. His ERA in those games was low threes. When he got hurt Myers let in a bunch of inherited runners and his ERA got over 4.00. Rasner never had as bad a start that Kennedy has had three of this year.

  575. Mr. Exceptional April 19th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    I think Girardi might blow his top soon. He’s looking a little stressed.

  576. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    ugh.

    last year, the Yankees lost 10 games before they won their 10th game. They lost 20 before they won 20. They lost 30 before the won 30. Wasn’t until the 40s, they won 40 before losing 40. This year, they hit 9-7 after beating the Red Sox 15-9. I thought to myself “nice, they’re actually gonna win 10 before they lose 10 this year.”

    so much for that thought.

  577. Vrsce April 19th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Also, I have only criticized Giambi, damon and Mussina and supported every other Yankee. So if you atre going to stay, try to pay attention.

  578. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Mlb

    They signed Posada to that deal because they had NO ONE to replace him and that’s the only deal he’d sign.

    They will worry about two years from now two years from now. They did not want to go into this season with Molina / Moller as the catching duo and they overpaid Posada in terms of years to prevent that.

    By the end of it, he’ll be the DH and someone else will take over catching duties.

  579. Pepitone April 19th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Scott,

    I am sure you are right about Cano, but what if he is still hitting below .200 by July? If he isn’t hurt, then something is wrong.

    The Yankees have made a lot of mistakes with signing older players who should be on teams that want to win now. If we are going to go with the kids, who are going to struggle, then why sign guys like Mussina, Mariano, and Posada?

  580. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    MLb

    That was pretty funny! :lol:

  581. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    A very nice outing for Ohlendorf tonight, without a doubt. He came in and threw scoreless inning after scoreless inning, giving the offense every opportunity to claw its way back into the game, but the offense just wouldn’t oblige. Oh well, things will get better.

  582. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    JB Cox did ok tonight

    1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB

    it was spread walks, on 1 walk next guy hit into a DP, walk, ground out game over.

  583. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    There are a few teams out there who would have signed Mo and Jorge, you know.

  584. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Pete,

    That’s my point about Ollie. He isn’t a long man and is wasted in that role.

    Rasner is scheduled to pitch on Monday in Scranton. It wouldn’t surprise me if he gets called up to take Kennedy’s place in the rotation.

    He has a 1.06 ERA and perhaps they can catch some life from a few of his starts.

    Something tells me Ian is going back to Scranton. After his Tampa start, I really thought he turned a corner.

    For whatever reason, he seems real timid in the strikezone with his pitches. He may need more seasoning at AAA.

    Ollie has got to be put in later action in the ‘pen. An absolute waste of a great arm as the long man.

    You have two great arms, Ollie and Joba, in wasted roles on this staff. I hope the powers that be realize that soon.

  585. Frank (South Beach) April 19th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    I think maybe Joe needs to take Damon out of the leadoff spot right and put Melky there. Melky looks a lot more patient and better at the plate. However I think Joe needs to create a lineup and keep it there for a week and see what happens. I understand that mixing things up may put a fire up their asses but consistency may also be a good thing as well. Whatever it is, it needs to be fixed and it needs to be fixed quickly because we are not getting back to back hits and they just look dead out there. Maybe they need the ice cream back in the locker room…lol

  586. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    brandon-

    My argument is…..why would you invest $200+ million on a team that’s not going to win a world series in 4 or maybe 5 years from now. when you can invest $250+ on a team that gives you a better chance.

    Santan Loosing velocity…..well hughe is loosing velocity on the 10th game of his major league career….I just don’t get it man.

    You’ll either blind or not good fans enough to actually break everything down.

  587. melkyy28 April 19th, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    we all expect a turn-around down the stretch [in terms of the season, right?]

  588. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    neato burrito.

  589. Betsy April 19th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    I was having a conversation on another board about how a pitcher can have pinpoint command/control in the minors (like Phil) and not have it in the majors. I thought that was something a pitcher brought with him.. others explained that minor league hitters are impatient, unlike big leaguers. This was my response; what are your thoughts?

    I imagine that the scouts and experts who made Phil the # 1 pitching prospect in baseball must have seen that his control and command were not a product of flailing minor leaguers but actually of his own ability. In any case, perhaps with Phil, he’s struggling because he is so used to dominating. Now, he’s not (not that he’s expected to right off the bat) and because he’s not, he’s lost confidence in himself. He’s saying the right things, but I think subconsciously he must be asking himself “what the heck has happened and why have I lost my stuff and command?”.

    I guess for Phil, he’s lost confidence and thence the nibbling. If his problem is confidence, I don’t see this as a quick fix and I’m not sure there’s anything Eiland can do. It’s up to Phil, really – maybe one day he’ll just have a “Eureka” moment and realize that – hey, he has the talent to be a really big winner in this league, so why futz around?

    Maybe it’s like an extremely bright high school student who goes to a very good college and doesn’t get nearly the grades he did at high school because (a) he’s in against a bigger pool of equally talented students and, more importantly, (b) that student needs to work harder to make the most of his ability when faced with other exceptionally bright students. Once the student adjusts to college life, with the different classes and other lifestyle changes, he’s fine. Of course, this isn’t the perfect analogy – Phil worked exceptionally hard in the off-season and not everyone, even in the majors, is as talented as he is – but the gist of it fits, I think. Phil needs to adjust to this bigger, better level and if he does, his talent will carry him far.

  590. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    good night… butt spanking by the Orioles… NO way they are .500 by May 1st.

    One of those years… Can’t remember seeing a Yankee team play this poorly with a shot at finishing 3rd in the division…. Wow, times have changed.

  591. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    How can anybody make any realistic World Series predictions after 19 games?

    Really, I get folks being frustrated. I’m frustrated by what I’m seeing tonight.

    That said, you can’t predict what’s going to happen in 3 months based on what we are seeing tonight.

    Hasn’t anybody learned anything from last year?

  592. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Cashman is that the best GM in the game i tell you that.

  593. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Pep

    Relax on Cano. He has one of the best swings in the game and has a history of starting slow. He’ll hit.

    As for signing Rivera and Posada, they HAD to sign them because there was no one else to take their places and those were the only deals they’d sign. Rivera / Posada had the Yankees over a barrell and knew it.

    Just because we are trying to go with a “youth movement” it does not mean we need to have a fire sale and get rid of every player over $5m in contract, or 32 years old.

    These guys are helping shepherd the kids into becoming the pros they are capable of being. They are also doing it while trying to make the playoffs. It’s very, very difficult to walk this tight rope, but it’s the best way to go.

  594. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    have we had a lefty in the pen that consistently got lefties out since Stanton?

  595. Todd Parlato April 19th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    WB Mason Yankee Encore ratings have to be atrocious thus far……………..Who could watch stuff like this twice????

  596. Hub in IL April 19th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    OK call me crazy, but I swear the O’s are stealing signs and tipping off the hitters. Their hitters are are not even offering to most sliders changeups or curves. Their hands are dead still. I don’t know anybody who can do that unless they know what is coming and are taking. If I were pitching and hitters were doing that I would start switching signs just to make sure. If they didn’t start moving their hands I would start examining my motion to see if I were tipping my pitches. Seriously, you can read rotation, but how do you not even start your bat and hold up? If someone is guessing and giving the take sign they are damn good, too good in my opinion. Of course it would help if the kids would throw strikes, but its tough to get people out who know what coming.

  597. Evil Empire April 19th, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    cant wait to get rid of giambi and damon

  598. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    not***

  599. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Can’t remember seeing a Yankee team playing this poorly?

    Where were you in 2005 AND last year when they were 11-19 after 30 games.

    They were barely .500 at the AS Break last year.

    You have a short memory. They were WORSE last year.

  600. Hellboy April 19th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Personally, I feel sorry for Larry the gameday dude, who has to suffer and record down every play of this heinous loss.

  601. MLb April 19th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Yeah ok.. i will be here to say i told you so. Godd night.

  602. CaptainsCorner April 19th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    I really think that Kennedy should get 1 more start and if he doesn’t last at least 4 innings then they should bring up Rasner. People might not like him but he was never as dreadful as Kennedy and Hughes have been. I don’t care how old Hughes is either. He was brought up here to do a job and they are both not cutting it. I don’t mind Hughes in the rotation but Kennedy has not been impressive to me at all. With the stuff that Kennedy has he has to be perfect every time out and they are asking to much of him. Whether people think the 2 of them should be in the rotation or not it doesn’t matter. They can not live with Mussina, Kennedy and Hughes pitching 2 or 3 innings every night. They need to get one of them out of the rotation…and Mussina and Hughes aren’t going anywhere. Kennedy is the odd man out.

  603. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    That’s a great prediction. Do you care to put money that prediction. I’ll put up $1,000.00 and Pete can hold the money that the Yankees will win another World Series in 20 years.

    Are you in?

  604. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Mlb

    I’m going to guess…your age ends in the word “teen” right? No? Are you over 21?

    I bet in your whole adult life you don’t recall the Yankees not making the playoffs, right?

    20 years? Get a grip kid.

  605. JR Yankees April 19th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Some people have got to be kidding me. Why don’t we send the entire roster down and promote the entire AAA team while we’re having our fire sale. Trade Cano!!! We just signed him to a four year deal with 2 option years. He’s not going anywhere. We should have gotten Santana? Yeah right, and I suppose Igawa would be as great a starter as he was last year. Oh yeah, and who plays center?

    The in-game posting is unbelievable. Every play, every out, every move is questioned and blown out of proportion. I just don’t know how some people can constantly come here and post this garbage and expect others to take it seriously. Give it a rest and let’s get through an 1/8 of the season before we start trading our young stars and benching our veterans and releasing the rest of the team.

  606. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    I meant “within” 20 years. Pete can hold the cash. The offer stands. Its in your court.

  607. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Yes, it can get worse. The Red Sox are threatening.

  608. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    YAY POSADA

  609. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    “My argument is…..why would you invest $200+ million on a team that’s not going to win a world series in 4 or maybe 5 years from now. when you can invest $250+ on a team that gives you a better chance.”

    that’s what they are trying to get away from, spending money unwisely, that’s why Georgy, Alex and Mo were must signs

    “Santan Loosing velocity…..well hughe is loosing velocity on the 10th game of his major league career….I just don’t get it man.”

    Hughes is 21 and Santana is 28 now throwing 92 mph and leaving sliders up, it’ll be a matter of time w/ him especially w/ the money and prospects invested on him.

    “You’ll either blind or not good fans enough to actually break everything down.”

    I think your just too damn negative, you can’t find any good in being 9-9 w/ no off days and 1/3 of your roster not pulling the weight they are suppose to ? Again it’s April

  610. Frank Discussion April 19th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Let’s see, starting pitcher can’t make it past 3 innings, shoddy defensive play, complete lack of offense, yup, looks like the Yankees are up to their old tricks.

    I’ll be honest, there is a place for young pitchers to develop. It’s called AAA. There is also a place for overpaid lethargic veterans, it’s called the bench. Tired of hearing all the excuses for this team we heard last year.
    With the financial and farm resources the Yankees have at their disposal, there is simply no reason for the current state of affairs.

  611. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Rock bottom for the Yankees was last season on the six-game west coast swing through Colorado and San Francisco. This team is a mile better than the team who was playing those games last year. Keep your heads up, things aren’t exactly strawberries and cream now, but they will get better, count on that. Keep the faith!

  612. on April 19th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Cheers SJ…It’s astounding the level of “misremembering” that goes on from season to season when it comes to the Yankees.

    14.5 games out of 1st last year…and that’s after the 1st TWO months, not the 1st three weeks.

  613. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    i’m simply just frustrated day to day because i hate seeing my team lose, no matter what the circumstances are, no matter what time of the year. i don’t go plotting ways we need to revamp the team on April 19th. i think of minor changes we can make right now, i don’t think of rebuilding the team. i don’t think of how we’re not going to make the playoffs when it’s April 19th. I certainly don’t say ridiculous things like “this team won’t win for 20 years, maybe more.”

    it’s perfectly reasonable to be frustrated. i complain about the games as much as anyone. i’m pretty tired of the Yankees sucking it up every April myself. But this doom and gloom, not gonna make the playoffs, this and that player are never going to be any good mentality is really, really ridiculous. is this the first Yankees season you’ve ever watched? get a grip. those who i’m talking to know who they are.

  614. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    It got worse. Red Sox tied it up, then Manny was Manny over the Monster, 5-3 Sox.

  615. S.A.-Phil Hughes is Saved and Joba will be a starter April 19th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    let’s score some runs here

  616. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    well Manny just went yard 5 – 3

  617. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    I apologize for that Boston update if anyone already had the Kool-Aid poured out. Remember, I never told you to drink it.

  618. rconn23 April 19th, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    Ollie gets hit to often to be the 8th inning guy.

    I still hold out hope that Hughes and Kennedy will develop, but they are just kiling us. I don’t care how young and inexperienced they are, you’ve got to throw strikes. You’ve just got to.

    For now, I’d rather see Rasner. He’ll get hit hard, but at least he won’t nibble around the strike zone.

  619. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Which comment was more laughable- the comment that the Yankees wouldn’t win a World Series in the next 20 years or that Mo wouldn’t get another save before June 1? Wow.

  620. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    2 out rally

  621. Jonathon April 19th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Worse than what?

    So if that Yankees lose tonight and Red Sox win, the Red Sox trim their magic number to 141…

    Gimme a break…

  622. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    “Ollie gets hit to often to be the 8th inning guy.”

    what are you talking about he went long relief and allowed 2 hits, basically saving his fastball throughout the relief… I can’t believe I just read that.

  623. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Maybe Posada should shave? What’s with the facial hair?????

  624. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Frank

    Obviously they did not plan to have Hughes, Kennedy and Mussina all implode to start the season.

    However, it’s not like they can just go to San Diego and say “Give us Jake Peavy, we’re the Yankees and our resources are such that we deserve the best”

    They made their choices, they are struggling. What would you have them do?

  625. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    wow holy crap. i went to take a leak before the 1st pitch was thrown to melky, i come back and there are 2 outs. are they just trying to out due themselves each inning? “guys lets see if we can go down in order even FASTER!” as i say that Alex gets on.

  626. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    “So if that Yankees lose tonight and Red Sox win, the Red Sox trim their magic number to 141…

    Gimme a break…”

    it’s clearly over we’re going after the most loss record :)

  627. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    Gets hit too often? What game are you watching?

    Ollie was in his FOURTH inning of work. He’s trained all spring to pitch ONE inning.

    If you don’t think that matters, you don’t know anything about baseball.

  628. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    However, it’s not like they can just go to San Diego and say “Give us Jake Peavy, we’re the Yankees and our resources are such that we deserve the best”

    Scott –

    Aw, come on, you mean they really can’t do that? :lol:

  629. scorpio April 19th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    The only highlight of this game is seeing Joba pitch in a meaningless 8th.

  630. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Doreen

    I swear, reading some of these posts I think people believe that the Yankees can wave a wand and produce a Cy Young or MVP candidate who never, ever struggles!

  631. miggs April 19th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    JOBA… a reason to watch this last inning.

  632. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    My apologies, Jonathon, I forgot that our purpose now was to celebrate Red Sox victories in the spirit of good sportsmanship and uber-sophistication.

  633. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    white kid trying to be gansta w/ the peace sign…stop

  634. Kj April 19th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Question if they sent Kennedy down who the hell would take his spot? please dont say Igawa.

  635. Kj April 19th, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    jw if Horne was healthy would he get the call???

  636. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    I think the YES gun is slow. Joba at 93 just blew away Mora. He never had a chance.

  637. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    I think that AB with Melvin Mora made up Joes mind. Joba neds to be in the rotation.

  638. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Kj,

    I’d imagine Rasner would take his spot. The question is who will take Mussina’s spot LOL!

  639. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    So far it looks like the layoff didn’t hurt our Joba, did it?

    I think one problem is that people tend to fall in love with a team when they’re winning. Some people continue to fall in love with baseball in general; some people don’t. Those that don’t can’t bear the losing.

  640. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Exhibit A of what CB and I have been preaching ad nauseum about.

    You want a starting pitcher? Its Joba.

    Kid hasn’t pitched in a week and all he does is throw strikes.

    Geez, what a play by Joba!

  641. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Scott, Doreen- Thanks for the laughs! Now where is this magic wand that you’re talking about? :)

  642. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    you can’t f… w/ Joba :lol:

  643. PreteFunkEra April 19th, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    PELE! What can’t Joba do?

  644. James April 19th, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    WOW I love Joba.

  645. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Other than Rasner and Igawa…who is the most MLB ready pitcher in the minors? (that isn’t injured)

  646. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    SJ

    The only problem with moving Joba to the rotation right now is the innings limit. What do you think they will do about that? Trash the limit?

  647. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Joba just oozes confidence, doesn’t he?

  648. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Bphill

    I have been hearing Marquez but I am not the minor league guru and I believe he has been getting hit.

    The rest of the kids are either injured or just not close to ready.

  649. Max April 19th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Damon can now be ranked among the worst signings the team has ever made. He clearly has not owned up to his 4 year $52M contract. One year as a centerfielder and declining hitting skills don’t equate to a good signing.
    In defense of Cashman, he was strongly urged by George to sign Damon as a form of Boston retaliation which was no reason whatsoever.

  650. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Doreen

    Joba is the epitome of “Here it is, hit it if you can”

  651. Bayron April 19th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    yes he does! and no facial hair!

  652. Pepitone April 19th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Scott,

    Good argument! I agree with you.

    If, and I don’t know if this is fact, Giambi, Mussina, and Damon are in the last year of their contract then I think I see what Cashman is doing. Once those three are off the books he can go after a free agent that can provide some leadership (we have missed this since Paul O’Neil retired). Rivera and Posada will have a couple of years left to provide the kind of veteran presence we will need. I could see us as real contenders then.

    We can still contend right now, but it depends on whether or not the kids can mature in time.

  653. Jonathon April 19th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    I would like to see Joba in the rotation just to see how he works over 6+ innings.

    In these short appearences you see how he blows guys away with nasty stuff…but would he flame out after 3+?

    I know he was a starter in college and in the minors so I know he’s done it in the past…but I never saw him…

    I’d love to see how he progresses through a full game.

  654. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    he needs to be a starter

  655. Jonathon April 19th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    That was a strike…

  656. Dr. Acula April 19th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Scott, don’t be a fool. The innings limit would not be scrapped for a short-term gain. After protecting him for this long, they won’t abandon it for the near-term wins.

  657. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    As others have written on this blog, this is why Joba belongs in the rotation. Imagine 7-8 innings like this every 5 days.

  658. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Wow. On behalf of everyone else, welcome back Joba. What a talent.

  659. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Joba will not pitch exactly the same with as a starter, and he’s even said so. If you’ve got only one inning to pitch, you let it fly. If you need to go, well not 9, but 6 or 7, you’ve got to be more judicious with using the uber-fastball.

  660. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Dr. Acula

    First, I’m not a fool…thanks :)

    Second, I’m not sold that they would scrap it all. I just asked what their plan would be. If they move him to the rotation now, he’s going to be at or over his innings limit by early September (give or take).

    What then?

    SJ44 is saying to move Joba into the rotation. I am asking him what the plan would be for later on this year since they protected Jobas innings and usage so fiercely.

  661. Jonathon April 19th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    It wouldn’t be exactly like that every inning…It takes a lot out of a pitcher to throw those wicked sliders.

    He’d have to pace himself.

  662. Dr. Acula April 19th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Doreen, go research his minor league starts…then you can retract your post.

  663. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    put Joba in the rotation please.

  664. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Jonathon

    Joba’s been a starter his whole career except for last August, September and this April.

    He was throwing 97 in the 7th inning of his minor league starts. The kid is a stud and should be starting. He is being wasted in this role.

  665. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Dr. Acula -

    What do you mean? All I’m saying is he’d have to pace himself. I didn’t say he couldn’t throw those pitches late in the game – I’m saying he probably wouldn’t do it each and every batter.

  666. Scooter April 19th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    “As others have written on this blog, this is why Joba belongs in the rotation. Imagine 7-8 innings like this every 5 days.”

    As good as Joba is he can’t magically produce runs for the offense. Until that aspect of the team is corrected any discussion about pitching is moot.

  667. Jax April 19th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Joba’s fastball as a starter would be more of 94,95 sitting there. But I’m sure if he wants to strike someone out with it he could get up to 98,99.

  668. SJ44 April 19th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    You don’t trash his innings limit at all by moving him into the rotation.

    Do it by May 15 and he gets 22-25 starts. You can work in his 150-160 innings off those outings.

    Its not tough.

    Two of the best arms on the team, Joba and Ollie are both pitching in wasted roles. I don’t get that.

    You put Joba in the rotation, your top 3 guys are Wang, Pettitte and Chamberlain.

    You mean to tell me that’s not imposing?

    Its a helluva lot easier to find a guy to pitch 1 inning than it is to find a guy to pitch 6-7 innings with Joba’s type of stuff.

    Its baseball, not brain surgery.

    The sooner they put him in the rotation, the sooner the color gets back in Cash’s face.

    Sorry MLb didn’t take me up on my bet re: the Yankees not winning another WS for “at least” 20 years, “maybe more”.

    Always could use another grand.

    Night all. Enjoy the rest of the evening.

  669. bphill April 19th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    I think everyone wants their ice cream back

  670. Jonathon April 19th, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Dr. Acula…with all do respect…minor league hitters are not major league hitters.

    A guy with Joba’s stuff should dominate those guys…it’d be different at this level.

  671. James April 19th, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Wow I don’t think Robbie saw 8 pitches all nite. Hopefully Andy can salvage a win tomorrow. Just need to get him some runs.

  672. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    On the other hand, Joba could be the best mop-up man of ALL TIME. Think of it, only put him into games when the Yanks are either up 6 or down 6. He would dominate those situations to the extent that people would say “You can’t take Joba away from mop-up duty, he’s the best we have! Sure, he might be able to start, but why take him out of a roll in which he might be the greatest of all time?”

    Think about it.

  673. Wander April 19th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    I just have a question for those who want Joba in the rotation as soon as possible. So what happens if Joba isn’t effective? What if, he too, only goes 3-4 innings a start? Do you stick with him as well and see if he comes out of it or stick him back in the bullpen? Why do people seem to think Joba will be an effective starter as well?

    I’m not against the idea of Joba one day being a starter, I’m all for it. But I think that he’s certainly not a sure thing in the rotation or a cure for the rotations problems. If anything maybe he would serve better as a *gasp* long man in the bullpen.

  674. Brian from PA April 19th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    18 innings vs the 2008 Baltimore Orioles, 2 runs. good job Yanks.

  675. Todd Parlato April 19th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Highlight show will consist of Joba’s kick save and nothing else….

  676. Wander April 19th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    You beat me to the punch, Nick.

  677. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, Chasing Greatness! April 19th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Oh well, tonight wasn’t the Yankees’ night. Pettitte goes tomorrow, that makes for a much better day. I’m off to watch the Jazz/Rockets game, take care everyone!

  678. Nick in SF April 19th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    But think about it with “roll” spelled “role”, just to be even sharper.

  679. V April 19th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    If Kennedy puts up a bomb like tonight again, I have to say to send him down to AAA – his mechanics were bad. His pitches were sailing on both sides of the plate. I give him two more starts to fix it before demotion.

  680. Pepper Brooks April 19th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    SJ44 your right, they did look worse last year. The Yankees have not been the same since they lost to Arizona in the WS. Since losing to Boston in 04′ this team has had less heart than skeleton.

    Serious discussions need to be made on this “future” plan. There is some tweaking that needs to happen so they can get through 2008 in decent shape and then have everyone ready in 09′ Right now, that is not happening. Girardi is managing like this is his first job. The veterans are playing like they are just collecting a paycheck.

    Get it through your heads, these youngsters need some support, not an arse beating.

  681. Betsy April 19th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Again, Chamberlain is going to automatically slot into the #3 position and be imposing? I don’t see it – the expectations for him are really ridiculous.

  682. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    SJ

    Not sure if you will see this but…

    It’s only April 19th. I see your point if they wait til Mid-May. Didn’t catch that part of your plan.

  683. Glenn April 19th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Depending on what degree of communication takes place between Cashman and Hank Steinbrenner, the team is getting ripe for some changes and sooner rather than later.
    The team is flat and requires some energy that Damon, Giambi, and Mussina can’t and will not provide. There’s no denying that they have in fact reached the end of their careers.
    The July 31st trading deadline is 2+ months away so all changes need to be done internally unless Cashman got lucky with a GM willing to deal this soon into the season.

  684. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Wander

    We think he will be an effective starter because thats what he was his entire LIFE except for last August, September and this April

    He was always a starter and he always dominated. What if he struggles? Give him time or move him back.

    But he is the most electric arm we have produced since Guidry. He needs to start.

  685. Steve April 19th, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    The real problem here is the general manager Brian Cashman. His plan that all the rookies will succeed in the majors in noble, but so ill-advised. You cannot compete with a rotation that includes two youngsters and a veteran who cannot beat good offenses anymore.

    Cashman assembles teams that are not built for the post-season. If you gave other gm’s like Frank Schuleolz (the guy who retired in Atlanta) or even Kevin Towers or hell even Omar Minaya (that Lastings trade isn’t looking so bad right now), we would be a much better team.

    Instead of letting these guys develop, we had to rush them to the big leagues because he does not know how to develop or sign effective pitching. Kyle Loshe was available, why not take a risk, and while doing so, allowed Hughes and Kennedy the chance to become better in the minors? We have such a lack of pitching thanks to Cashman that we are forced to do this move.

    And as much of a die-hard as I am, for those of you who say the Yankees will win championships in the 2010′s, let me just point out that baseball has become a hard sport to build a dynasty. There have been 7 different champions since 2000 more than any other sport.

    Teams can increase their payroll at will (KC, Detroit, etc) and can improve too. And we are not the only ones with young pitching, here are some teams that are doing just as well:

    Boston-Buchholz, Lester, Dice-K (hes only 28)
    Toronto-McGowan (just as good as Huhges), Marcum
    Tampa-Kazmir, Shields, Garza
    KC-Bannister, Greinke,
    Sea-Felix, Bedard
    NYM-Santana, Maine, Perez
    Arz-Webb, Owings, Haren
    SF-Lincecum, Cain (they will never catch us, but Lincecum is by far better than anything we got right now)

    In the end, Brian Cashman has a good plan, but he just stinks as a general manager. I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t sign Texeira or Sabathia next year becuase he doesn’t want to give up the prospects in the draft we would lose.

  686. bhug April 19th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Wow, what a great game. Joba was awesome. A great night for baseball. O’s and Yanks fans alike. I’ll take a some Ben and Jerry’s Chunky Monkey now.

  687. Drive 4-5 April 19th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    I’m looking and looking hard,but I just can’t see where Ian Kennedy warranted the confidence Cashman had in him based on only 19 innings pitched last year. Last year while going 3-0 he still walked 9 in 18 innnigs. Someday he may be a #5 major league starter. But not until he learns to throw strikes. The Yanks did him, and the team, a disservice by handing him a spot in the rotation. Let the kid learn how to throw strikes before annointing him as a major cog in the Yankees future.

  688. Wander April 19th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Scott

    He hasn’t been an effective starter in the MLB though. Clearly everything isn’t as clean and calculated as scouts suggest. Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy were great but they’re having a tough time making the transition. I understand that is natural and I truthfully don’t expect greatness from any of them for a few years because that’s how baseball goes.

    Joba is in the same boat as Hughes and Kennedy. I wouldn’t put a ton of hope on him fixing the rotation problems.

  689. m. damon April 19th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    joba sucks! sj44, quit chasing all the bad kids around the school yard.

  690. rconn23 April 19th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    “Gets hit too often? What game are you watching?

    Ollie was in his FOURTH inning of work. He’s trained all spring to pitch ONE inning.

    If you don’t think that matters, you don’t know anythingabout baseball.”

    Geez. Besides tonight where he managed to stop the bleeding, what
    has Ohlendorf shown you in EITHER his minor and major league tours to show you he is good enough to be a premier set-up guy.

    Really, tell me. And I know plenty about baseball, thanks.

  691. Dee April 19th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    Hello Generation Uno.

    I think that was Pete on the side of the frame when they were interviewing Joba about his dad.

  692. Pepitone April 19th, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Pepper Brooks said:

    “The Yankees have not been the same since they lost to Arizona in the WS. Since losing to Boston in 04′ this team has had less heart than skeleton.”

    Here, here!! I have been saying this since the Angels spanked them in 02. They have not looked like the same team since we lost O’ Neil, Leyritz, Coney, Wells, Brosius, even a guy like Chad Curtis brought a fire in the belly that has been gone since then.

  693. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Steve

    You said a lot and you write well but you contradict yourself all over the place.

    Going with youth is Cashman’s plan, right?
    Other teams are also going with young pitchers and succeeding, as you so eloquently stated right?

    So how is Cashman a bad GM? Because after 4 starts each, our young guys are not performing as well as their young guys? Geez…

    Buchholz has a 6.75 ERA, does that make the Boston GM a bad GM too?

  694. Bob April 19th, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Even if Kennedy had dominated and given up 1 run, we still would have lost. Once again, alot of frustration here is misguided. This team should not be scoring 2 runs in 18 innings vs. the Os, especially considering all the opportunities wasted.

  695. Drive 4-5 April 19th, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    rconn23,

    How ’bout if we start with Ohlendorf having fewer hits than ininngs pitched,almost a strikeout per inning, twice as many strikeouts as he has walks and an opponennts batting average of only .230

  696. Scott April 19th, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Wander

    Yep, you are right. He hasn’t proved he can do it so that question definitely exists. However, he has absolutely DOMINATED major league hitting at a rate that neither Hughes or Kennedy had last year or have this year. What he’s done to major league hitters is staggering. Simply put, they can’t touch him.

    He could take three steps back and STILL be one of the most dominant pitchers in the league. Putting him in the rotations is the kind of shot in the arm this team needs.

  697. Drive 4-5 April 19th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    By the way, in case anyone hasn’t noticed, Joe Girardi does not look like he’s taking the Yanks struggles very well. We’re seeing the polar opposite of Joe Torre. Girardi gave Kennedy a stern talking to on the mound, something I dont ever recall Torre doing.

    For all the talk here about us fans being patient, who’s going to tell that to the manager?

  698. Pepitone April 19th, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    “By the way, in case anyone hasn’t noticed, Joe Girardi does not look like he’s taking the Yanks struggles very well. We’re seeing the polar opposite of Joe Torre.”

    And that’s the reason I wanted Girardi. This team needed a change in managerial philosophy and personality. Too many guys were getting lazy with Torre.

  699. RSM April 19th, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Do you guys realize that if Kennedy pitched a complete game allowing only one run we still would have lost?

    Our offense is asleep at the wheel. I don’t understand it, and it’s extremely frustrating.

    As usual, it’s on Andy’s shoulders to pitch a shut out tomorrow and reverse the losing trend.

    There were some bright spots tonight. Joba didn’t miss a beat, and Ollie’s looking pretty good.

  700. Bob April 19th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    “By the way, in case anyone hasn’t noticed, Joe Girardi does not look like he’s taking the Yanks struggles very well. We’re seeing the polar opposite of Joe Torre.”

    And that’s the reason I wanted Girardi. This team needed a change in managerial philosophy and personality. Too many guys were getting lazy with Torre.

    I agree. BUT, turn back the clock 12 months and isn’t this the exact same thing we saw from the bats last April/May?

    I honestly think Damon just doesn’t care. Remember reading over the off season about how he almost retired and all that? Really makes you wonder just how much effort he’s putting in just to keep collecting his paycheck.

  701. Scott (Start Joba NOW!) April 19th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Pep

    Definitely agree there. Torre would let this kind of play go on for weeks. Girardi looks like he’s ready to do anything to win.

  702. Betsy April 19th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Scott, the issue is that no one expects Joba to struggle; I shouldn’t say no one, but many here are posting that he’s going to slot automatically into the rotation and dominate. I don’t buy that – I do buy that he’s a terrific starter and will be, but he’s just like Phil (and Ian, but I tend to leave him out because he simply has much lesser stuff) in that he’s young. Therefore, he’s going to have his ups and downs. He’s also going to have to face major league lineups more than once……they are the best hitters in the world, so he (like Phil) will have to adjust. I have no doubt he will, but until then, we will have to live with his learning curve as we do with Phil and Ian.

  703. Bob April 19th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Supposed to rain tomorrow in Baltimore. 2 days off might do this team some good.

  704. Sterling Steiner April 19th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Joe sounds genuinely pissed in his post game press conference.

  705. Scott (Start Joba NOW!) April 19th, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    RSM

    The offense is not under the microscope because they are not highly touted rookies. Of course you are right but if Kennedy pitched a 7IP, 1 ER and lost we WOULD be all over the offense.

    Kennedy deserves the blame for this loss. He earned it. As do ARod, Cano, Matsui etc…for the lousy at bats they all had.

  706. RSM April 19th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Speaking of Giardi, I’d like to know what he said to Kennedy on the mound. Ian looked like he was being scolded by his father!

  707. pat April 19th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Joe G. a little cranky on the postgame.

    He isn’t losing patience with the players but just hates losing.

  708. pat April 19th, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Girardi said he told him he’s being too fine, not aggressive enough and he needs to throw strikes.

  709. Bob April 19th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    You CAN’T blame Hughes and Kennedy for these losses. Sure they have had shaky/bad outings. AGAIN, we knew that was going to be the case coming into the season. They are rookie pitchers. A rookie giving up 4 runs should not cripple this team.

    The bats are the issue and deserve the heat.

  710. Fran April 19th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    “Joe sounds genuinely pissed in his post game press conference.”

    He really was. He was snapping at the press because he says he hates to loose.

    He said that Kennedy has got to be aggressive and attack. He said that the walks are unacceptable and that Baltimore is winning because they throw strikes, get outs and don’t make errors.

    Joe certainly wears his heart on his sleeve.

  711. Betsy April 19th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Scott – but there is a HUGE difference between dominating out of the pen and dominating as a starter. It’s easier to pitch out of the pen…….and really, I don’t think we should forget Phil pitching to a 2.75 ERA in September or his brilliant 3 innings against the Indians in the ALDS. Joba is still human – he had issues with the bugs and even in game 3, he was shaky (though he got the job done). Expecting Phil to dominate this year (or last – which is completely unfair, as (a) he never would have been brought up so early if it weren’t for the injuries to the rotation and (b) he suffered two severe leg injuries) is extremely unrealistic and comparing him to Joba dominating out of the pen is unfair.

  712. Scott (Start Joba NOW!) April 19th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    RSM

    I bet it went something like:

    “You can throw strikes or you can forget getting on the team plane to Chicago and just start running there!”

  713. pat m in ct April 19th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Yeah, Joe’s pissed off. Of course, after a loss, when the media asks the same question over and over, who wouldn’t be?

    As Bob pointed out, a rain out and an off day might be a good thing now.

  714. Jax April 19th, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    To be fair the media was asking him dumb questions and questions he had already answered.

  715. Bob April 19th, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    I’ll disagree with Girardi a little there. Baltimore has been making some pretty boneheaded plays themselves in the field and on the basepaths these 2 games.

  716. Scott (Start Joba NOW!) April 19th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Bob

    A rookie pitcher giving up 4 ER is not a problem if he does it through 6 or 7 IP. When he does it in 2 1/3, it is.

    Yes, the offense needs to find a way to score against Brian Burres or Daniel Cabrera but we are reasonably confident that they will eventually hit. I am not nearly as confident that Kennedy will eventually pitch well. That’s why he gets more heat.

  717. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    “For all the talk here about us fans being patient, who’s going to tell that to the manager?”

    Ian has the ah well mentality I personally like Joe G. scolding him, he needs to throw strikes and stop getting lackadasical. He will improve and Joe did the right thing he needs that kid to realize he can pitch.

  718. Jeff NJ April 19th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Just got home after missing almost the entire game. Any reason why A Rod was DHing?

    Girardi was angry in the postgame, never seen him like that.

    Pete was in the picture for the Joba interview. Put me in the Joba to the rotation sooner rather than later camp.

  719. Pepitone April 19th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Bob said:

    “I honestly think Damon just doesn’t care. Remember reading over the off season about how he almost retired and all that? Really makes you wonder just how much effort he’s putting in just to keep collecting his paycheck.”

    I couldn’t agree with you more! And I was pretty excited when we signed him, because I thought he would bring the fire and leadership this team has lacked since 02. Wow, was I ever wrong about him.

  720. Scott (Start Joba NOW!) April 19th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Jeff

    I think they wanted to get Ensberg some time over there for when Alex’s wife has the baby. That, and Girardi wanted to get him a half-day off.

  721. Doreen April 19th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    How much do you think Girardi still wants to do the Joe Girardi Show?

  722. MMF April 19th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Ian Kennedy dominated the minors last year and probably belongs in the bigs.

    They’ve made a decision that both he and Phil H are going to have to take their lumps in the bigs. Whats this start 6 or 7 over all for Kennedy and maybe 14 or 15 for Hughes? The trouble is that they are doing this with 2 young guys and Mike Mussina, who is not only well past his prime, but has been in steep decline for the last year. I think its pretty unrealistic that at this age, he’s going to give the team anything like what they got in 2006.

    I think the best they can expect is that they stay around 500 until mid June and then Kennedy and Hughes hopefully become more consistent. Around that time, I think its pretty clear that Mike Mussina will have pitched himself out of the rotation like he did last year. At that time, I can also see the team transitioning Joba to a starting role and seing what they’ve got from these other minor league pitchers like Veras, Patterson and Britton.

    In addition, some of the recent starters like Giambi and Damon will either have to improve or give way to players who have a future in baseball. Shelley Duncan really should be with this team. He’s a major force from the right side and would help balance this painfuly left handed heavy team. Also Brett Gardner has a chance to help this team as well if Damon can’t hack it (book is still out). Both are hitting around 350 in the minors. Doesn’t seem fair that we, as fans, are held hostage by undeperforming and overpaid veterans. THink girardi has the guts to bench those guys? I’m not so sure. There are a lot more guys like them Jason and Johhny that Duncan and Gardiner. Not sure how that would sit with guys like Jeter, Arod, Posada, Abreu, Matsui, Pettite from a clubhouse dynamic perspective.

    I think that a minor change that can be made easily is that after this off day on Monday, the team should pitch Pettite on normal rest and bump Kennedy a day. These two young guys need to be separated in the rotation soon.

    Robbie Cano appears frustrated like I’ve never seen before.

  723. Scott (Start Joba now!) April 19th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Pep

    He was that player when we got him. He wasn’t for a good portion of last year but still was good in the 2nd half.

    We need a young sparkplug. Gardner would be my pick.

  724. Dee April 19th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Doreen, great question!

  725. MMF April 19th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    I peeked at Brett Gardiner’s stats earlier tonight.

    4 triples in about 60 abs this year. wow.

  726. Scott (Start Joba now!) April 19th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Doreen

    I think his act would have been “David Letterman” interesting point-comedy but is now closer to “Lewis Black” aggravated-comedy.

    If he had the option I’m sure he’d rather not do it.

  727. hahaha April 19th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    “Frank Schuleolz” was never a GM of the Braves.

  728. Bobby Zimm April 19th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    Everything is broken (except Joba).

  729. Az Bob April 19th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    We are down by 6 runs in the 9th, he has struck out twice and Damon is smiling in the dugout. Who says money can’t buy happiness. I wasn’t smiling.

  730. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 19th, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    “We are down by 6 runs in the 9th, he has struck out twice and Damon is smiling in the dugout. Who says money can’t buy happiness. I wasn’t smiling.”

    see simply pathetic hasn’t been the same player in some time and I’m starting to believe the rumors when he was in Boston, because he has dropped off dramatically.

  731. gayle April 19th, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Bobby

    Everything really

    Didnt realize Mo was broken
    Didnt realize Bobby Abreu was broken
    Didnt 5realize Andy Pettite was broken
    didnt realize Melky was broken
    Didnt realize that Jeter was broken

    I could go on. Yes we have some issues but I am and will remain confident in this team and in this manage and organization that they can either work through their issues or make changes so they can.

    Did Girardi looked ticked off your darn right he did and with good measure when you know that your pitcher has the stuff and you have seen him do what is needed it is too darn frustrating to watch him nibble, not be aggressive and not throw strikes and watch your pitch count go up and up and yet another day where you think the bull pen will be overused.

    At this point the only person realy being overused is poor ross Ohlendorf. If nothing else at this point they need to re order the pitching rotation and not have Moose,Huiges and Kenedy back to back it is just a total drain.

  732. jrealty (formerly Jesse) April 19th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    Time to move Damon, Betimet, Giambi, Moose…

    Sign BB to DH/PH

    Bring up Gardner, Duncan and Rasner

  733. V April 19th, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    “Girardi said he told him he’s being too fine, not aggressive enough and he needs to throw strikes.”

    I have to absolutely and totally disagree with this.

    The problem wasn’t aggressiveness.

    His mechanics are off. When Kennedy is on (last year), the ball goes where he wants it. Tonight, if he wanted it on the outside corner, it sailed WAY too much. Ditto on the inside corner. When Kennedy can’t put the ball where he wants it, he’s not going to be a good pitcher.

    You can’t groove the ball vs. major league hitters.

  734. damon is old April 19th, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Damon should be batting 8th or 9th, with Jeter leading off. Although I think Cano’s struggles are a bigger current concern than Damon’s woes, since Damon is in decline anyway. The Yankees sort of need Cano to be very good for the next several years. It would be nice if he remembered how to hit before June rolls around.

  735. V April 19th, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    “Time to move Damon, Betimet, Giambi, Moose…

    Sign BB to DH/PH

    Bring up Gardner, Duncan and Rasner”

    LOL! ‘Move Damon, Betimet, Giambi, Moose…’ – to who?

    Really? To WHO?

  736. ANSKY April 19th, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Rebecca:

    “Dear Baseball Deities:

    Listen, if I have to streak across campus to get the Yankees to score with RISP, I’d do it. Please don’t make me do it.

    Rebecca”

    ?????????

    And all this time I was under the impression you never drank alcohol!! :D

  737. Scott (Start Joba now!) April 19th, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    jrealty

    Who in their right minds would take any of Damon, Giambi, or Moose? We couldn’t give them away right now.

  738. jrealty (formerly Jesse) April 19th, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Move as in trade if there are any takers…

    DFA’ and eat the salaries…

    Have the clubhouse attendant forget to pack their gear when they leave Baltimore…

    Need to make room for people that maybe can help the team.

    Is standing pat really an option?

  739. Bob April 19th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Time to move Damon, Betimet, Giambi, Moose…

    I’d love to see Damon and Giambi gone. Mooose, he’s just about done, but is just about what every other team has their 5th starter.

    But please tell me who would take these guys? Not only are they unproductive, but they have enormous salaries, except for Bettemit I guess, and he is far from the problem with this team.

  740. V April 19th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    LOL – DFA – how amusing.

    And when your favorite son Brett Gardner bats .100 through 20 games, then what? (not saying it -would- happen, but just for the sake of argument)

    You don’t DFA players for sucking in the first 19 games of the season.

  741. justin April 19th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    we didnt need to keep the Ortiz jersey buried in yankoff stadium after all, they need help, to many egos get you a losing record everytime

  742. JJ April 19th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    I know how to solve all of this. Give the boys back there Ring-Dings, Devil Dogs, Push Ups, Bomb Pops and Chip Candy Crunches and we will have our MoJo Back. Hey wait that is a natural name for the back end of our bull pen MOJO. You heard it here first

  743. Pepitone April 19th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    V-

    “Time to move Damon, Betimet, Giambi, Moose…
    Sign BB to DH/PH
    Bring up Gardner, Duncan and Rasner”
    LOL! ‘Move Damon, Betimet, Giambi, Moose…’ – to who?
    Really? To WHO?

    Not only that, but who would be willing to take over their inflated contracts?

    Nope, Cashman bought that horse and he is going to have to ride it (and Pavano) to the end. Let’s hope he learned from this.

    Of course, I haven’t considered the “Boss” and his dirty little fingers mucking this up and maybe that is where the blame lays.

  744. Az Bob April 19th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    I think I heard Damon was considering quitting last year, maybe this year he will! No never happen, too much money

  745. Frank Discussion April 19th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Scott,

    Sorry for the delay in responding. Ideally I would like to see Joba in the starting rotation ASAP, and perhaps test the free agent waters for a #4 or #5 guy. Just looking for someone who can keep us in the game and eat up a few innings. At this rate the bullpen will self destruct. No problem letting the two youngsters develop, but the remainder of the rotation needs to be rock solid, and we well know it isn’t (Mussina). Can’t afford three weak spots in the rotation.

    As for the offense, I wouldn’t care if Giambi and Damon swept the parking lot. They are equally useless. I’d keep Ensberg on first and bring up Gardner.

  746. Scott (Start Joba now!) April 19th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    jrealty

    These guys are getting paid MEGA millions. They would have to commit crimes to get released in that fashion, and even if they did it would be questionable.

    I agree that we’d be better off if we did…but it’s not going to happen.

  747. Pepitone April 19th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    If anyone should be DFA’d it’s Pavano!!

    Why don’t they dump this guy and eat the salary?? At least Damon and Giambi are on the field.

  748. x23 April 19th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    man, Kennedy looks like hes about to cry/cried during his post game interview. Maybe hes been told he will be shipped to AAA. I could def. see Iwaga being called up. They’re not paying him 5 mill to dominant at AAA.

    On a side note, as much as I hate Bonds, This offense can def. use him right about now.

  749. JJ April 19th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    Oye Como Va…
    with Santana and Gardner in center instead of Hughes/Melky we are a contender. This way not so much. I really think Hank is gonna pull a Sonny Corleone hot head move on Cash real soon if the bad starts from the kids continue.

  750. Pepitone April 19th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Barry Bonds? Are you kidding me? In a Yankee uniform?

    I’d rather see them bring back Bernie, or maybe Mott the Hoople.

  751. Frank Discussion April 19th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Mott The Hoople and All The Young Dudes !

  752. Scott (Start Joba now!) April 19th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Frank

    I agree on Joba, say he replaces Moose.

    As for the #4 or #5, who would we get that is better than what we have? There simply are not any pitchers are out there.

    Rasner for Kennedy, Ok. Then what, bring up Igawa?? How is he better than Hughes?

  753. Scott (Start Joba now!) April 19th, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    Now Batting…All the way from Memphis…Mott the Hoople…all the way from memphis…

  754. Patrick Bateman April 19th, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    “What was the point of having Ohlendorf throw one-inning stints all spring then make him a long man once the season started?”

    Probably because they didn’t expect Mussina, Hughes, and Kennedy to be out of the game in the 2nd and 3rd innings of games.

  755. Pepitone April 19th, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Memphis?? I thought he was from Tennessee!

  756. David April 19th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    Everyone who has said Joba needs to be a starter is spot on. If he’s not a good starter and the Yankees don’t make the playoffs, then that’s acceptable. It would mean they exhausted all of their options. But it is not acceptable to have Joba Chamberlain be an 8th inning setup man when having him in the rotation can be the difference of a very subpar rotation or a rotation that could go head to head with any in the league.

  757. Frank Discussion April 19th, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    Scott,

    Agreed, Joba replaces Moose and Rasner takes Kennedy’s slot. Hughes ? I’d say Patterson but he seems to be taking a little bit of a beating now, and not Igawa by any means so I’d say my theory is back to square one. Maybe give Horne a shot when he is ready.

    Love the Mott The Hoople references.

  758. ether April 20th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    There is only one thing is certain at Yankees.

    That is, Cashman needs to go. With him as GM, Yankees will not have another WS title or even division championship.

  759. Pepitone April 20th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    HEY! New York guys!! WAKE UP! It’s only 12:01 am back East (and 9:01 here in the West)…knock…knock…knock…

    One of you guys has got to tell me they are going to DFA Pavano. I can’t leave, I won’t leave until you tell me they are going to DFA Pavano!

    I already had my Dr. Pepper and am just gettin started.

  760. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 20th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Sorry I randomly disappeared, a friend invited me to a seder and I felt a couple horus away from baseball would be goo for me.

    ANSKY: I don’t normally drink, but I am a member of a religion where it’s a mitzvah to drink s—loads of wine on holidays such as passover :-D

    SJ: Thanks much for that insight =)

  761. David April 20th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Frank, I agree with having Joba replace Moose, but Kennedy and Hughes? Rasner has had his chance before as a starter and he’s never looked good. And if you call up someone else for Hughes that’s silly because you’ll have the same development problem with a pitcher who isn’t even as highly touted. If Joba can be the starter everyone thinks he can be, you can live with Hughes and Kennedy in the rotation. The problem right now is the top 3, because the Yankees really only have 2 starters to depend on.

  762. Patrick Bateman April 20th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    As bad as Rasner is, he has proven that he can get out of the 3rd inning.

  763. UtilityMan April 20th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Good Evening

    Not sure if this was posted before…but according to the Newark Star Ledger in NJ…Wilson Betemit was being sought by the Pirates for 3B,before his DL stint with Pink EYE.

    Hopefully they will still be interested in a week!!

  764. David April 20th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    Yeah Rasner can get out of the 3rd inning, but the best we’ve seen of Ian Kennedy is much better than the best we’ve seen of Rasner. I really still think Hughes and Kennedy will be fine. Right now there is just way too much pressure on them. The Yankees have a third starter who is washed up and an offense that is producing nothing… The only way Ian Kennedy wasn’t going to get slapped with a loss tonight was if he went out there and shut them out. I think he has the ability to do that, but that’s just too much pressure for a rookie pitcher. And Ian Kennedy isn’t stupid, he probably knew tonight after the first inning or two that the offense was going to give him basically nothing to work with.

  765. MLb April 20th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    Rebecca- I want to marry a girl like you. But I have plenty of time to find her as i’m only 19. I won’t marry anyone until the yankees win another world series anyway.

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    Manny Ramirez is playing out of this world baseball right now. I can’t believe this. Its like the Yankees and Manny are on opposite ends of the universe.

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    Ehh, it’s not so bad. Doing the work takes a little of the emotion out of the game. You’re watching it in a different way than you normally do anyway (looking for runners in motion, seeing who touched the ball, checking to see if the ump signaled for a foul tip), which also helps.

    They always seem to lose when I’m working, but trying to stay professional helps keep the emotions in check.

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