Game 23: Yankees at White Sox
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Apr 24, 2008 
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YANKEES
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Matsui LF
Ensberg 3B
Cano 2B
Giambi 1B
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Hughes RHP
Phil Hughes against the White Sox
Gavin Floyd against the Yankees
Notes: Posada said he is fine and is just getting a day off. … A-Rod is here but obviously not in the lineup. Maybe tomorrow. … Jeter is 1 of his last 14. … Melky has hit safely in eight of the last 10 games. … The Yankees have scored 22 runs in the last three games and have 16 extra-base hits.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 6:57 p.m.: RHP Brian Bruney is not available because of what the Yankees are saying is a sprained mid-foot. He went for an MRI and will see a specialist in New York tomorrow. (Dr. Martin Van Nostrand perhaps?) Bruney was injured Tuesday night in the seventh inning when he was trying to cover first base. He was wearing a knee-length boot today and was in the trainer’s room all afternoon. Given that it’s his push-off foot, it seems almost certain that Bruney will go on the disabled list.
If a guy is having trouble walking on Thursday, he’s not going to be pitching any time soon. Tough to go to Cleveland for four games a pitcher short.
UPDATE, 7:03 p.m.: A-Rod won’t play tonight but hopes to play tomorrow, perhaps as the DH. The key will be whether he can run, which he hasn’t tried to do yet. The rain here in Chicago kept him from getting on the field to test it. Meanwhile, he said he arrived at the hospital 10 minutes after Ella Alexander was born on Monday. A-Rod said it was “perfect timing.”
UPDATE, 7:44 p.m.: It’s raining pretty good here. No chance the game will start on time. As somebody who has an 8:30 a.m. flight to Cleveland, you can imagine my delight.
The Yankees never get a day game on getaway day. They could have played in perfect sunshine this afternoon. As this is the team’s last trip to Chicago, they’ll probably wait all night to try and play.
UPDATE, 8:04 p.m.: They just announced in the press box that the rain should be ending within an hour and they hope to play at 9:30 p.m. (EDT). I’ll keep you posted.
UPDATE, 8:23 p.m.: They’re pulling the tarp off the field now. Then it’ll take a little bit to clean up the field.
UPDATE, 8:36 p.m.: Umphrey’s McGee is doing the anthem. Great band.
UPDATE, 8:45 p.m.: The game is underway. 64 degrees.
UPDATE, 8:55 p.m.: Send that 1B Gold Glove to The Big G c/o Yankee Stadium, Bronx, N.Y.
UPDATE, 9:30 p.m.: Rain delay. It’s 3-0 Yankees in the middle of the third inning. What a shame for Phil Hughes, who was really pitching well. If the delay goes long, he’ll have to come out. He’s thrown 23 pitches in two innings, 15 for strikes.
UPDATE, 10:11 p.m.: The tarp is off the field. Looks like Ross Ohlendorf is coming in. Can’t take a chance with Hughes as the rain delay is approaching 45 minutes.
UPDATE, 10:19 p.m.: Well, the players are on the field and it’s raining again. But they’re going to play.
UPDATE, 10:54 p.m.: I’m getting flooded with e-mails from people who are upset that Hughes was taken out of the game. People, people, people, you don’t mess with the health of a 21-year-old for the sake of one game. I don’t care if the Yankees lose this game 100-3, it was the right decision. It was a 51-minute delay.
That said, they really need a long reliever. This is not what Ohlendorf was prepared for in spring training. Beyond that, Bruney should have been on the DL after getting hurt on Tuesday. He’s walking around in a boot, it seems pretty safe to say he’s not going to be pitching any time soon. Beyond that, it’s Brian Bruney. Is he that good that it’s worth the risk?
UPDATE, 12:35 a.m.: Is there anybody alive out there? It’s the bottom of the ninth, there have been two rain delays and the game is tied. The Yankees have Mo and Billy Traber left in the bullpen now that Joba is working a second inning.
S-W-E-E-P
Let’s see who has the first complaint about the lineup…
7-5 angels with 2 outs
Let’s go Yanks!! Good start from Phil Franchise tonight
After 22 games:
2007 New York Yankees 9-13
2008 New York Yankees
After 22 games
2007 New York Yankees 9-13
2008 New York Yankees 12-10
I’m happy so far.
Looks like another new lineup for Girardi. Doesn’t look too bad, though. I’m looking forward to seeing Molina again.
Go Yanks! Manny flies out to end the game in Boston.
Who cares about the line-up?
According to the splits the Pale Ho’s have never gotten a single hit Franchise.
(they’ve incidentally never faced Phil)
theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee BoSux lose !
Billy Traber against lefties this year: 6-16 .375 Avg) .500 OBP.
Gotta be better than that because its a waste to have a lefty specialist on the roster who can’t get lefties out.
It ties up a spot in the ‘pen and on this team, you need all the arms you can muster for bullpen work.
No complaints about the lineup. They still need a first baseman though and I hope something is in the works on that front.
This is a game Phil should be able to throw free and easy. They already won the series so its not make or break.
Just go out there and let it fly.
Well, you have to hope that the Yanks don’t hold onto him as long as they held onto Myers.
Big game tonight, we need Hughes to pitch well. It’ll go far towards bolsering his confidence, and the sweep would be great too.
Can anyone believe this team is over .500 w/ all the injuries, 20 straight games, Joba leaving, ARod leaving, and the poor pitching from Moose, Hughes and Kennedy so far? Not to mention most of the team not hitting at all?
I’ll take 12-10 for the time being!
How is Jeter 1 for his last 14? His line for the last 3 games is 2 for 5, 0 for 5, and 1 for 5. At worst, he’s 3 for his last 15, but I’m pretty sure he’s 2 for his last 11.
SJ -
I totally agree. In a suspect bullpen I don’t want to waste a spot for a specialist when we are better served cycling guys up here from the minor leagues to see if anyone can contribute.
You never know when somebody will figure things out and respond well to the pressure of NY. Edwar was interesting last year but eventually got exposed, but it was fun while it lasted and he had some great moments.
Since Traber is iffy at best, perhaps they could use his roster spot for a long man…and still hold onto Ollie to use in better situations.
Any reason Damon is DH and Matsui is playing LF?
Ohlendorf deserves to pitch in better situations, I agree. He has great stuff, but he has basically been used as the long man all year. I think the Yankees should call up Rasner to fill that role and let Ollie try his hand at the 7th inning. If and when Joba’s in the rotation, he might be the answer for the 8th.
Matsui in LF, booooo
Probably to give Damon a half-day to rest his legs since Matsui has been the DH for a while and could use some field time.
I think Gonzalez should be in there for Cano. Cano needs a break away from the game. If not, Cabrera needs to be moved up in the lineup.
“Any reason Damon is DH and Matsui is playing LF?”
Rotating veteran rest. Bobby will sit soon as well, with the lefties coming up. I hope that Shelley gets to come up in time for that…it’d be the ideal situation, ESPECIALLY if ARod is still out. I’d love to run
Damon
Jeter
Matsui (DH)
ARod (3B)
Posada (C)
Cano
Ensberg (1B)
Duncan (RF)
Melky
out there against the upcoming lefties.
Funny thing is, Traber was 9-51 against lefties last year. he also pitched great in the spring in his role.
Thus far? Not good. Why? Advance scouting.
Advance scouting can dissect anybody. What you are seeing are lefties opening up, anticipating his curveball (his signature pitch) and getting great hacks on it. He has to make adjustments.
He is going to have to work away more to keep hitters honest or he isn’t going to last in NY.
You can call up a guy like Edwar (his changeup is nasty on lefties) or Albie to go after lefties.
I’m in Charleston to watch the River Dogs this weekend. If the wireless service is strong, I’ll check in during the game.
Enjoy all!
Oh, you are lucky! Tell us how it’s going down on the farm. Well, besides the fact that the team is excellent.
“Any reason Damon is DH and Matsui is playing LF?”
In general, folks, get used to seeing the OFers DH or sit once a week. Unless there’s any reason to think they might have been hurt, they usually weren’t and are just getting normal rest.
This is the 20th different lineup! Jesus Joe!! Enough already.
Just kidding.
I went to the last two games (I’m in Chicago) and I really want to go to this one to see Phil, but the weather forecast is not looking too good: http://tinyurl.com/4qacvt
Pete, can you obtain an injury update on the Sultan of Bruney’s foot, particulary if the MRI showed any more serious than a sprain?
Would love to know the precise severity of A-Rod’s injury and when we next can expect to see an “A-Bomb from A-Rod”
But I suspect you’ll have an easier time Pete discovering when we should expect to see an A-bomb from Ahmadinejad.
ok, did girardi not see that they walked Giambi twice last night to pitch to Ensberg? Why would he put him in the 5 spot? so they can walk Matsui? I don’t get it!
“we’re gonna keep running him out there”
Joe G on Jason G.
Actually it looks like they might be okay. Click storm track than animate.
http://www.wunderground.com/ra.....g_off=9999
Ah, we have a winner!
thanks SJ44, always appreciate your update on the kids– and the civil tone in which you conduct an argument.
I hope this blog continues to remain civil even when posters disagree.
Let’s hope Hughes gives us no reason to this evening.
I was only jokeing!!
“Thus far? Not good. Why? Advance scouting. ”
Wrong, more like SMALL SAMPLE SIZE.
Honestly SJ relax, less than a month into the season and all of a sudden Traber sucks. He hasn’t gotten many opportunities yet, give it more time.
Boy do the rangers suck. They are getting wooped by everyone. I cant wait to get some of that.
Utley already has 10 bombs. Best hitting 2nd baseman?
Kill – the only way it will remain civil is if:
1- no one brings up Joba as a starter vs. reliever
2- the Yankees don’t fall behind
3- Giambi has a good game
4- Matsui plays well in the field
5- Abreu doesn’t have to go to the wall in the field
6- Any reliever other than Joba or Mo is brought in
Otherwise, it will be the same old, same old…sadly.
boy kill schill –
what is funnier than nuclear holocaust?
That’s comedic gold right? no?
Texas’ GM didn’t give Ron Washington much to work with at the major league level in Texas. I hope Washington lands on his feet with another franchise. He’s a good man and a good coach.
sweep dem sox!
7.Joba doesnt pitch 2 innings in a blowout.
8.Cano doesnt swing at every first pitch.
9.Hughes pitches less than 4 innings.
I’m not as down on Traber as SJ. The hit against him last night was an out with a 1b who can actually field his position.
He did his job against Thome last night. He kept it in the park and it was a playable ground ball that eluded our defensively challenged 1b.
I definitely give him more time. He should not be a candidate for DFA at all yet in my opinion.
Westerner99 , hey buddy, how’s it going, NN ???
For all you 80′s junkies. Their is a G.I. Joe movie coming to theatres. Not animated either. “GI JOE. The real american hero”! Cant wait!
Cano vs. Pedroia
Career average about the same. Cano slugging is about 40 points higher, Pedroia oba about 30 ponts higher (I think career OB+ slugging is about .815 for Cano and .805 for Pedroia). Cano has better range, better on the DP. Maybe Pedroia is more consistent, although he started last year poorly. Cano more upside still.
Pedroia having a great start. Cano is obviously more talented and probably better player. He’ll pick it up as it heats up.
Now, Phil Franchise, let’s see what you can do tonight.
SWEEP!?! Hughes is going to dominate tonight surely!
Yes, Hughes will step up tonight!
Go Yanks!
Amanda,
Love that pic of Yankee Stadium on your blog!
Let’s go Yankees!
I hope Phil has a great outing today.
Pete,
With the proviso that the Yanks may want him around as a PH, I’m not too clear on why the Yanks have A-Rod around if he’s not going to start.
Heck, even if he’s able to PH, you’d think an extra full day of rest would help him, PLUS, his wife just had a daughter, and you’d think an extra day with his wife and new daughter (plus older daughter) would more than outweigh the usefulness of having him around as a PH…. (I mean, the guy has just flown from Miami to Chicago, to probably not play, to then fly to Cleveland tomorrow….).
Ensberg in the 5 spot? Uhhh…..why is that?
Steph I agree with you on Rasner and Ohlendorf.
Well now we can put those Oswalt rumors to rest. He would only waive his no trade clause to the Cards, Braves & Blow Sox.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....ed=rss_hou
I’m not down on Traber yet. Just pointing out his numbers.
Patrick, lefty specialist have small sample sizes. That’s why the role is so difficult. You have to get outs and you aren’t going to be given a chance to have a large sample size.
Lefties were 9-51 against him last year. He has already had 16 chances this year and has given up 6 hits. From a trend standpoint, that’s not good.
Last night, agreed, he did his job and Giambi did not do his job on the grounder to first.
Overall though, he has to be better. You can’t have a lefty specialist who can’t get lefties out. Lefties having a .500 OBP against him is not what the Yankees are looking for in their lefty specialist.
A couple of good outings and he has the chance to get back into a good groove. If he continues to struggle, its hard for me to see him lasting a long time on the roster because they need the space for better arms in the ‘pen.
Sheffield considering retirement if his shoulder doesn’t get better quickly. Who’s the idiot who mentioned today that he would rather have Sheff as our DH?
That rumor was started by Peter Gammons, probably because he wants Roy to be a Red Sock…
SJ44 –
I’m thinking of going to Charleston in the fall, when I can get some time off. Any suggestions? How is it in November, say?
JeffNJ,
The same person who called the Yankees “One step away from being the Bad News Bears” a few days ago.
Getting rid of Sheffield was the best thing to happen to the Yankees on a lot of fronts.
Once Humberto Sanchez can show what he can do, the trade will look even better.
Is this the Floyd that almost threw a no-no earlier this year?
Yup, this is him…
Afternoon everyone!
SJ, 51 is a small sample size and so is 16. A better indicator, although sample is still small, would be BA on Balls in Play. How many does he K, how many homers, etc.
Admittedly, you’d like him to pitch better. It’s early. The trend obviously sucks with cano, too, on a larger sample size. No one wants to give up on him. Much better track record, though.
I agree you don’t need a lefty to have a lefty specialist. Amriano murders lefties, but his role is taken. Maybe edwar. bring back edwar!
Joe,
Charleston is great. Its really nice in the Fall. The weather is really nice that time of year.
The best thing to do is look to stay downtown. All of the restaurants around King and Broad Sts. are excellent. Its a really good restaurant town.
The Embassy Suites on Meeting St. is the place to stay. Its close to everything and its a very clean hotel.
Heard Girardi on Mike and the Mad Dog. Alex is doing well and could probably pinch hit tonight if need be. He is receiving some more treatment on his leg and will be evaluated tomorrow. He is day to day like Derek, but Alex told Girardi he is feeling pretty good.
2-0 without A-Rod. Keep a good thing going Yankeess.
You are always going to have small sample sizes with lefty specialists. That’s why its a role that’s so hard to fill on a team.
You will never have a lefty specialist with a large sample size. They get 40-60 chances a year to do their jobs. If they trend poorly out of the gate (like Mike Myers last year and Damaso Marte this year) teams re-evaluate as to whether or not they can afford to tie up a roster space with an ineffective one trick pony.
Comparing lefty specialists with everyday players is an apples to oranges argument. Billy Traber isn’t going to have 500 chances to get it going like Robinson Cano will have this year. Not the way it works.
Its a very tough job. But, if that’s your role, you have to do it and Traber has to be better than this if he wants to spend the year on the roster, IMO.
Thanks, SJ. Your tips on Tampa were helpful, also.
Dynasty- thanks!
Just did a little copy and pasting….hope that isn’t an infringement
time to dfa moeller
BTW, lefties were 9-55 against Traber last year, but hit 3 homers. k-bb ws decent, 15-3. Righties killed him. And he was awful in 2006. And he was a Met first round pick before blowing out his arm.
If anything is flukey, it was actually his ability to get lefties out last year. And that was a pretty small sample size too. Anyway, 4 homers in 19 innings in ’07 and ’08 so far for Traber.
OBA this year and last about .260, but 4 dingers by lefties in 77 plate appearances. 19-5 k-bb in 19 innings versus lefties. Then again, he likely is brought in to face some tough leftie hombres.
Remember the best hitter discussion we had last week?
Here’s what the managers think.
I think they underrate Manny.
Enjoy!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=rumblings
If Molina can catch, why is Moeller still on the team?
Soon:
Lineup:
Damon
Jeter
Abreu
A-Rod
Matsui
Posada
Giambi
Cano
Cabrera
(something like that)
Bench:
Shelley
Molina
Alberto Gonzalez
Ensberg.
That’s nasty.
mel, are you saying that ESPN reads this blog and gets their ideas for articles based on what we here say in the comments?
Dude. That is so. effing. cool.
Just because a lefty specialist has a small sample size every season doesn’t change the fact it is a small sample. A lefty specialist, s opposed to just a lefty reliever, usually isn’t THAT good a pitcher other than this one skill. Often, their success fluctuate year to year, and that is often due to the sample size. many teams play musical chairs with lefty specialists, trying to find one, and some are just clueless that it isn’t the picther who changed, just the luck.
Traber likely just ain’t THAT good, although he ws ok against lefties last year. But it is EXTREMELY difficult to take a 19 plate appearance against sample and make anything of it. Freddy Patek had a 3 homer game once. It was a fluke.
But, if your main point is that maybe Traber isn’t that good a lefty specialist, i think that is highly likely.
“If Molina can catch, why is Moeller still on the team?”
Because either Posada or Molina could have a set-back, and if they can’t send Moeller back to the minors without losing him. Posada has to show he can throw in games, and you’d like Molina to show that his hammy won’t hinder him before you ditch your only other catching option with MLB experience.
“and if they can’t send Moeller back to the minors without losing him.”
No if here. They can’t send Moeller back to the minors without (at least) risking losing him.
mel,
if it were the yankees answering, Manny would be #1. he’s not nearly as dangerous against the other teams (at least according to the #s).
I think Utley should be up on that list and Vlad down a little bit. Vlad is imposing at the plate, in the same way Sheffield is, but teams are starting to figure out that you don’t need to throw him strikes.
Gavin Floyd is a flash in the pan, the Yankees will handle him tonight just fine.
I will complain about the line up…now, but only the defensive positioning because every time Phil Hughes starts, Matsui is put in left field and makes a horrible play in the 1st or 2nd Inning. It seems that way to me….hopefully not tonight.
hughman,
of the 6 hits off of Traber, 4 were singles, 1 was a double, and 1 was a HR. He also hit Carlos Pena.
It’s possible that a couple of the singles (Thome included) were flukes or plays that should have been outs, but the extra base hits, if they continue, would be a major problem.
I think he should get more time, but it’s not a bad idea to think about plan B just in case.
Peter Gammons talking out of his arse again….
Roy Oswalt laughed when asked about rumors he was interested in waiving his no-trade clause. Peter Gammons had raised the possibility on ESPN’s “Baseball Tonight,” with the Yankees being the likely destination for Oswalt. “I don’t know where he’s getting that from. That came out of left field somewhere. I don’t know if he just brought it up or if he heard it from somewhere. I don’t know where he got it,” Oswalt said.
from astros.mlb.com
Gammons is pitiful.
Why are Murray Chass or Tracy Ringolsby never referred to as “Hall of Famers?” They won the Spink award just as Gammons did.
A-Rod named his new baby daughter, Ella Alexander Rodriguez and he gave a cigar to every Yankee player. (Star Ledger).
I’m in the minority here, but I don’t have a problem with Peter Gammons at all. The man can say whatever he wants.
He’s still one of the top baseball writers in the country and he’s in the HoF for a reason.
RSN didn’t vote him in all by themselves.
Damon needs to keep his legs fresh…. but the Yankees need his bat in the lineup. INteresting that Ensberg is batting that high. But Joe knows Morgan better than I do. Get the brooms out!!
If Enberg had been lower, Girardi would have had 4 lefties in a row. I don’t put too much stock in that since Matsui hits LHP well…but it is probably a consideration that he didn’t want 4 in a row.
Giuseppe,
I personally think Gammons has lost a step. His opinions may still have some merit (debatable) but IF he’s making up rumors or reporting on rumors with no founding from weak sources, it doesn’t look good. No question he was the best in his hayday.
When did Rasner last pitch for Scranton? That may determine if he, or someone else, is called up to replace Brian Bruney.
So who gets the call assuming Bruney goes on the DL, Patterson or Rasner?
Gammons is not making up rumors and he probably has more inside sources than any other baseball writer in the business.
Not surprisingly, Yankee fans are tougher on Gammons for his reporting simply because he’s a Red Sox fan.
They do the same thing for virtually everyone who works for ESPN because of the supposed “anti-Yankees bias” nonsense.
Rasner threw 8 inn on the 21st
Rasner’s been pitching better than Patterson; I imagine he’d get the call up to the big guys.
More importantly, if Rasner goes up and Scranton has a whole in their rotation, who fills in at Scranton?
“Given that it’s his push-off foot, it seems almost certain that Bruney will go on the disabled list.”
Alba? Patterson? Veras?
If they DFA Moeller anytime soon, that opens up a spot on the 40 man so that wouldn’t factor in.
I’d say that who gets called up depends fully on how long Phil pitches tonight (if he pitches 7, and it’s a 9 inning game, it’s a short reliever. If not, it’s Rassner).
Thanks, Buddy. Assuming 4 days rest, he could pitch this weekend. He might get the call. If not him, then I hope Patterson. Though I think it will be Rasner if they’re looking at a potential long man.
Guiseppe Franco -
I don’t get your point. Gammons is a Red Sox fan, but you think it is unfair for us to get on his case because he is a red sox fan?
It isn’t like Buster Olney who just covered the yanks. Gammons publicizes his season ticket status (he broadcast from them last year)
It is like Baghdad Bob. At some point you just don’t have any credibility.
Since Alba was the last one up and didn’t bomb…he’ll probably get the call for a short reliever.
“He’s still one of the top baseball writers in the country and he’s in the HoF for a reason. ”
actually, he’s NOT in the Hall of Fame.
He is a winner of the Spink Award.
“The Spink Award is awarded at the induction ceremonies of the Baseball Hall of Fame the year following the selection of the recipient. In recent years, the Hall of Fame has announced the finalists for the award and final vote totals. Previously, the results were kept secret.
Winners are not considered to be members of the Hall, but are permanently recognized in an exhibit at the Hall. “
“ESPN because of the supposed “anti-Yankees bias†nonsense.”
Are you suggesting that there aren’t some analysts who have an anti-Yankee bias?
Yankee fans are definitely harder on Gammons than others but Gammons has done little or nothing to remain impartial when it comes to the Sox in the past 5+ years. He drools over every Sox prospect. That’s his right… but why wouldn’t Yankee fans not like it?
Hating the Yankees is good for business. No question about that. It’s fine if ESPN wants to cater to the majority of their viewers. It’s also fine for Yankee fans to call them out on it when it happens. I won’t make a general blanket statement for all of ESPN, but there are without a doubt analysts and writers for ESPN that HATE the Yankees.
If he’d arrived 10 minutes BEFORE, I would give ARod his miracle, but 10 minutes after was pretty darn lucky. Although, in light of the story told on YES by Kay and Singleton that ARod had fainted at the birth of his first child, maybe it truly WAS a miracle – he got there early enough, and didn’t have to put his mettle to the test.
Is there a chance that this game will be rained out, or is it supposed to clear up? Is it cold? I’m just worried about the conditions for Phil Hughes.
I wonder who they’ll call up to replace Bruney, and isn’t it kind of fortuitous that they get to call up a fresh pitcher and still keep Moeller? (I’m just saying that if somethings going to go wrong, might as well see the bright side – I’m not saying Bruney’s injury isn’t legit.)
So interesting find here from my espn fantasy league…. on Phil Hughes:
Hughes’ struggles are stemming from the leadoff hitter getting on base against him frequently to begin an inning, the NY Newsday reports.
Spin: Leadoff hitters are batting .471 against Hughes, while opposing teams have scored in eight of the 10 innings where the first hitter has reached base. On the other side, Hughes has been scored on just once after retiring the first hitter. He’s much too talented to pitch this poorly in the long run, while the Yankees are more likely to send Ian Kennedy to Triple-A than Hughes, so his spot in the rotation is safe for now.
Pete: A miracle because he made it or because he missed it?
Just got back from Florida vacation for Passover and boy you ca see baseball on TV be it college or high school. Was able to catch the ESPN game last night gosh the announcers are horrible.
Hate to say it but actually looking forward to Kay tonight (my mlb.com didnt work on the rents computer for some reason)
He missed the birth by 10 minutes and the timing was a miracle? Not sure Cynthia will be thrilled to read that.
I would think a miracle would be 10 minutes before Ella was born.
Also i read this last night somewhere but believe it or not with last nights win the Yankees are off to tehri best start since 2004
Pat: LMAO!
So Alex arrived 10 minutes AFTER the birth? I guess he didn’t want to pass out this time.
I’m glad the jet got him there so quickly. Congratulations to the expanded family.
Gammons lost his credibility last year when he said that A-Rod signaled to Joba to throw at Youkilis’ head.
sorry, but that was beyond insane and irresponsible. also, a pile of bullcrap.
What you’re suggesting is that Gammons cannot be objective simply because he is Red Sox fan.
I don’t think that’s true at all. The guy gives the Yanks kudos all the time and only rips them when it’s warranted.
We make many of the same criticisms of this team but it seems as if those criticisms are off limits for Gammons in the eyes of Yankee fans.
Hopefully A-Rod doesn’t have to run his first game back, he can just trot around the bases!
Westbrook and Borzinski should be out for our series!
Just last week, Gammons was leading the charge to have Farnseworth suspended for “trying to kill” Manny. Oh give me a break. When you let your homer emotions take charge of your reporting, is when you lose credibility. And that is exactly what Gammons has been doing lately.
“Just last week, Gammons was leading the charge to have Farnseworth suspended for “trying to kill†Manny. ”
exactly.
he clearly lost his objectivity there.
how do i know?
b/c this is what MANNY said about it:
“”He don’t deserve that. He was just protecting his players,” Ramirez said. “You know we hit A-Rod the game before.” “
“We make many of the same criticisms of this team but it seems as if those criticisms are off limits for Gammons in the eyes of Yankee fans.”
the only criticisms that are apparently off-limits for Gammons are towards the Red Sox.
He may still be a decent writer/analyst because of his passion for the game, but his opinions are absolutely less meaningful than they were years ago.
Scott Patterson?
“The guy gives the Yanks kudos all the time…”
Can you cite examples…I’d be interested in reading good comments about the Yankees from Peter Gammons…
Here at Charleston, its the bottom of the second and its 2-0 Columbus.
Betances walked the first two guys in the second inning and a 2 out single brought them in.
First time I have seen Betances pitch.
Early impressions. Solid fastball. Its run 90-94 so far this evening. He threw a great curveball for a K in the first inning. He is a little wild but, as he did in the first, just struck out a guy after a walk.
His windup isn’t complicated or rushed.
He’s a really big kid. He has some moving parts that will require constant work on his mechanics.
That said, its easy to see why the Yankees are so high on him. He’s a very talented kid.
Montero? So far, he’s getting abused a bit behind the plate. A throwing error (good throw, just hit the runner) and he just got run over on a 2 out single that gave Columbus the lead.
He singled in his first AB. He’s awkward behind the plate but doesn’t look out of place. He looks like an 18 year old catcher, which he is.
His first AB, he hit a curveball the other way for a single. A very nice piece of hitting.
Brad Suttle is back in the lineup after missing the last two weeks with a hip flexor injury. I am interested in seeing him hit because he had really taken to the adjustments the Yankees made to his swing prior to his injury.
It’s not that Gammons can’t be objective. It’s that he isn’t objective.
It’s not quite on the Steve Phillips level of hate, because Gammons truly respects the Yankees. He just loves the Sox so much it makes him biased. Just a little.
Subtle little things like overrating his players and dumping on other young players. Of course we’re talking Yankees because he doesn’t talk about much else.
Taking little things and blowing them out of proportion. But that’s okay. Yankees sells and he’s just doing his job.
We can respect him, but he doesn’t even bother to hide his bias anymore.
A lot of baseball writers wanted Farnsworth suspended for what he did.
Why is Gammons the guy singled out?
Because he’s a Red Sox fan. That’s the bottom line.
Yankee fans lose all perspective when there is any connection to the Red Sox. It’s like people are incapable of being the least bit objective if they root for one team or the other.
Milledge was benched by Acta for being late to the ballpark.
-if anyone cares
(things get slow before the game)
For examples of Gammons talking positively about the Yankees, go to ESPN.com and click on his columns.
anyone else not getting sound from YES?
FWIW, Gammons “loves” Hughes.
Giuseppe,
we are singling out Gammons right now because of the Oswalt rumor and your response to it.
We could be speaking about any number of ESPN analysts who hate the Yankees – Steve Phillips, Jim Caple….
is Steve Phillips a Red Sox fan? No. We still rip on him.
so there goes your argument.
Gammons said he was a huge Phil fan last week, also had a said something else pro-yankee (on the Kay show)
forget Gammons giving the Yanks credit, he does.
Find some examples where Gammons rips the Red Sox as much as he has, at times, ripped the Yankees.
Are we really debating whether Gammons has a pro-Red Sox bias?
really?
“Why is Gammons the guy singled out?
Because he’s a Red Sox fan. That’s the bottom line.”
wrong. he was singled out b/c he called Farnsworth a “AAA pitcher”, which was simply unprofessional.
no one here like Farns, including myself, but he is a major league pitcher.
he may not be a great one, but it DOES take talent to put up a 4.47 ERA for about 700 innings.
Why didn’t they DL Bruney already? Perhaps this will give them the room to bring up Rasner to back up Kennedy on Saturday.
I am going to make a guess here and say that I think that people wouldn’t be quite so upset with Gammons, et al., if there were at least one media person out there who was pro-Yankee and showed it. Even our own announcers go out of their way to be “impartial,” and it often comes across as being a little harsh on our own team. Heck even Cone and O’Neill, the only time they’re really rah-rah is when they’re reminiscing about the Yankees of days gone by. They are highly critical of this bunch of Yankees.
Listen, I don’t mind the criticism as long as it’s valid. I just think we might all feel a little like we get the short end of the stick all the time.
Boston Dave,
You’ve got a point. Gammons has praised the Yankees more times than he’s ripped the Red Sox. 1-0? Maybe 2-0? lol.
On second thought, maybe Gammons was stumping for Phil’s vote in next year’s election…
I’m not saying that Gammons doesn’t say any good things about the Yankees, i’m just saying he is a homer towards the Red Sox. But in response to that, the Yankees are a good team, so Gammons just can’t go saying they suck.
You can’t deny that Gammons was being partial when calling for Farnseworth’s suspension. As a matter of fact, all the baseball writers these days are huge reactionist and follow Gammons like a god. Like i said early, Gammons was clearly leading the charge, everyone else just jumped on his wagon.
It’s obviously ok to hit a Jeter or Arod, but when a Manny gets brushed back, Gammons, who just so happens to be a huge Red Sox fan, leads the call for a suspension. I don’t see Gammons calling for suspensions to every player who almost gets hit around the shoulders by a pitcher. No only if its a red sox player. Shoot, just last week Damon almost got hit in the head. Where is the reaction????
On the pre-game on YES they said the weather is supposed to get worse before it gets better. The tarp is still on the field.
looks like a rain delay
Um, maybe you’re having a tough time reading but my response to the Farnsworth question was because of this….
Your last argument…
But what do all of those commentators you mentioned have in common?
They all work for ESPN – also known as “N-ESPN” by many people on this very blog.
Perhaps there goes YOUR argument.
Kay is screaming it is POURING.
watch this clip and tell me that Gammons is not letting his fandom ruin his professionalism and objectivity. he can’t even form his sentences he’s so irate:
http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....y-is-2592/
This arguement is nonsense regarding Gammons…he did nothing but praise the Yankees during the late 90′s. Give it a rest. The Sox are a good team right now. Gammons is a man of the game.
Gammons loves Brian Cashman. He loves what Cashman is trying to do and he has insane man love for Derek Jeter. He hates the Steinbrenners. Always has and that’s never going to change. No big deal because a lot of people hate the Steinbrenners.
He loves the Red Sox and there is no question his bias toward them (as well as his close friendship with Theo) affects his commentary at this point in his career.
Need proof? Find the last column he has written that contained any negative commentary on the Red Sox or their prospects. Its non-existent.
He, like everybody else, went overboard with the Farnsworth stuff.
At this point in his career, he’s more a fan than reporter. After 40+ years in the business, he’s entitled.
As long as you understand that, his commentary shouldn’t bug you.
At one time he was, far and away, the best baseball writer in the country.
Sources? No question, he has a lot of them. He also makes sure he doesn’t report anything that would impact the Red Sox in a negative way. Its just the way it is.
The Oswalt rumor? No big deal.
You do television 5 days a week at ESPN and you are going to have to come up with something. Its the pressure of doing TV. Producers want rumors. The NFL guys make a living reporting every rumor that comes down the pike during draft week and few if any come true.
rain rain go away
Look at underground weather. Looks like it should clear up.
Moehler is out of options I believe, that is why he is on the team and they want to make sure Posada and Molina are healthy before he goes bye-bye. Why isn’t Posada catching tonight after he was the doubles machine last night?
As for Ensberg batting where he is, to break up all the lefties and he is hitting .300 while Cano and Giambi are sub Mendoza- the reason they walked Giambi last night was because of match-ups and open bases on first.
Phil always gets stuck with the worst conditions – only good thing is that the game hasn’t begun and hopefully it will clear up.
Anyone have an idea as to the temperature? I’m hoping it’s in the 60′s at least……….better for Phil that way. Of course, with the wet conditions…boy that sucks. Of all nights for it to rain……
Man, the Columbus pitcher just got drilled right between the numbers by a line drive by Austin Krum. Lucky he turned his back but it caught him flush. He is still down.
I will say that I don’t watch Baseball Tonight as much as I once did. There’s one host who always refers to Fenway Park as “The Fens”…now he’s an annoying homer.
What do expect from ESPN, they’re based in Bristol.
I do miss Harold Reynolds though…
68 right now in chicago
Doreen,
ESPN had a Pro-Yankee commentator at one time. It was Harold Reynolds and he got fired.
He also just settled his lawsuit with ESPN for a LOT of money.
The Columbus pitcher is staying in the game and just gave up a single.
He is a major league pitcher?
Is that why everyone on this blog would DFA right now if the choice was promoting Scott Patterson (a journeyman who has never thrown a pitch in the majors) or keeping Farnsworth on the roster?
Farnsworth essentially is a Triple-A pitcher. Nobody in this forum wants to keep him and would drop him in a heartbeat if they could.
It’s funny how the only time anyone on this blog has ever defended Farnsworth was after he was ripped by Peter Gammons.
“What is KYLE FARNSWORTH doing throwing at Manny Ramirez?!!”
i don’t know Peter, sometimes that happens in baseball. especially the day after A-Rod got hit.
i’m sure Gammons would react like that if Farnsworth hit Paul Konerko.
that’s what me mean. it’s ok to be a Sox fan. but when you are reporting for ESPN, you have to at least PRETEND to be objective.
http://www.weather.com/weather.....ayer=radar
Radar. Looks like a definite delay, but shouldn’t be unbearably long like that Detroit game last year…
Harold Reynolds signed a contract with SNY today. He will be working as a studio analyst for some Met Games.
Darn…I was hoping YES would sign Reynolds to work the studio with Lorenz.
Giuseppe,
To be fair, that’s not the type of commentary an objective reporter gives after that incident. The pitch didn’t even hit Manny for God sake.
It looks even worse when after the game Manny isn’t even upset about it. If he isn’t upset about it, why is Peter?
Its was a kneejerk reaction by a fan. That’s not what you want from an “objective” commentator with over 40 years in the business.
Funny, Peter wasn’t that upset with Pedro Martinez when he sent Soriano and Jeter to the hospital after drilling them several years ago.
Its really not debatable that his objectivity goes out the window when it comes to the Red Sox. Its ok. Its like arguing with grandpa. Its not the end of the world.
I still take exception with Gammons comments not because he was knocking Farnsworth, but because his hypothesis that the only pitchers who can hit batters are those of equal or greater caliber than the hitter. So it would be okay if Farnsworth hit Travis Buck of the Oakland A’s, but he can’t hit Manny. Is this one of those stupid unwritten rules of baseball that people invent out of thin air? WOuld it be acceptable to Gammons is Pettite hit Manny or if Mo hit Manny?
Giuseppe Franco says “Why is Gammons the guy singled out?
Because he’s a Red Sox fan. That’s the bottom line.”
IF that is the bottom line, as you say, then explain why we don’t like Steve Phillips, who is not a Sox fan.
keep digging as long you want. soon enough your argument will reach China. maybe they’ll believe your crap.
HR was the best. Baseball Tonight hasn’t been the same since.
“It’s funny how the only time anyone on this blog has ever defended Farnsworth was after he was ripped by Peter Gammons.”
yes, i admit, i don’t like Farnsworth.
but calling him a “AAA pitcher” on baseball tonight is ridiculous.
everyone has seen the numbers on the number of times Jeter and A-Rod have been hit compared to Manny-Ortiz.
so, based on the fact that it’s something like 22-3, Gammons should be OBJECTIVE and temper his bile.
he came off like a crybaby.
Montero just got another hit, a 2 out single, to drive in a run to make the score 2-1. He leads the league in hits with 34. Leads the league in RBI with 18, and is now hitting over .370.
18 years old. Unbelievable.
“It’s funny how the only time anyone on this blog has ever defended Farnsworth was after he was ripped by Peter Gammons.”
keep digging
“To be fair, that’s not the type of commentary an objective reporter gives after that incident. The pitch didn’t even hit Manny for God sake.”
thank God, i thought i was losing my mind.
With Montero…I know the Yanks pledge to keep him there a full year to work on his defensive skills…but if his bat stays that hot, I wonder if they will stick to the plan?
So just put Bruney on the DL. What is the big deal? He won’t be missed. I am sure they have someone in the minors who could walk the bases loaded and throw a straight fastball right down the middle. How is arriving AFTER your daughter was already born a “miracle”??!!
Ah I just want this game played, I don’t want to wait.
http://www.weather.com/weather.....#038;day=1
I’m guessing 8:30-8:45 start?
Harold Reynolds was the best- by the way, speaking of AAA players, half the former players they have on Baseball Tonight are AAA players- Orestes Destrade? I know being the inaugural day first baseman for the Florida Marlins is prestigious, particularly when the ace of that staff was Charlie Hough, but come on….
Whats the scoop Was HR fired and why
Just as long as they start playing before 11 PM. I would like to sleep at a semi reasonable time tonight.
Saturday night, Sean Green of the Mariners hit Vlad Guerrero in the head with a pitch. It was the fourth straight pitch that was up and in to Vlad.
He got warned and didn’t get tossed out of the game. Same thing that happened to Farnsworth.
No suspension from Bob Watson and no outraged commentary from Gammons.
My question is, why not? Green drilled a guy in the head and nobody said a word about it.
I maintain that if Gammons wasn’t so irate the other night, Farnsworth wouldn’t have been suspended.
He was everywhere on the ESPN Family of Networks the day after the incident expressing his outrage. He made it bigger than it was.
If not, then I ask again, where was the outrage from him when Green hit Vlad in the head?
They claimed it was sexual harassment
Boston Dave,
I’m sorry that I upset you, but you should be man enough to debate the argument without kicking the dirt and whining about it.
LOL @ the rain delay music. Makes me want to throw on a snazzy turtle neck sweater and drink a bottle of wine, while solemnly staring at a fireplace.
It’s raining cats and dogs here. I can see US Cellular from my window. Glad I didn’t go today. I’m not sure they’re going to get the game in unless they wait at least an hour or two.
Giuseppe,
I gave you that courtesy until you started flailing and taking shots. If you want to believe Gammons is not pro-Sox, that’s your prerogative. Don’t get mad at me for laughing at you.
Maybe they can come up with a white trash solution and go down to Wal-Mart, buy a giant blue tarp, and stretch it over the top of the stadium.
I loved Reynolds too. The allegation was that he took an intern out to dinner and he supposedly hugged and kissed her and she called it sexual harassment. After the initial details came out everyone got quiet because of the dismissal and ligitation. I’m stunned if he ended up getting a huge payout only because I would have thought that ESPN would have done due iligence in terms of attempting to ascertain facts before they terminated him.
On the other hand, I think I also remember Reynolds saying he was upset because he said ESPN never really bothered to find out his side of the story.
Who knows wherein lies the truth.
Montero just threw a laser for a CS. That time, he looked like a catcher.
Really got rid of the ball quickly and showed some zip on the throw.
I’ve only seen this kid play 4 innings behind the plate.
I can see though why the Yankees want to keep him behind the plate right now and see how it goes.
He just needs work. He’s not somebody who looks out of place back there.
For a big guy, he moves really well. Sets a good target and it pretty flexible.
Based on this limited view, I think its worth giving him the time to see if he can develop as a catcher.
Betances just blew away a hitter on a 94 MPH fastball.
Still 2-1 Columbus, bottom of the 4th.
Geez 9:30!!
Anybody else hearing Andy talking about Phil Hughes? Good stuff.
“He doesn’t throw his changeup very much. But uh, he’s got a curveball.”
He said some good thinks about what him and Ian need to do to be successful.
They’re going to wait a long time. This is the Yankees only trip to Chicago this year.
Why can’t the Yankees ever have a normal get away game like every other team?
I guess it is cause the Yankees are still king.
9:30
I wanted to get to sleep at a reasonable hour tonight!
9:30??? Time to pop in disc 2 of season 2.0 of BSG.
I could have run errands.
Well at least I’m getting stuff off my dvr.
Doesn’t sound like laughing – it’s sounds more like you got upset.
That’s not laughter. I just heard your blood pressure rise.
Find me someone to debate the argument rather than a crying girl with a skinned knee.
Suzyn say 45 minutes.
This is when living on the West coast is ideal…
Trisha,
He got a huge settlement. Closer to what he was asking for ( in excess of $5 million) than what ESPN initially offered him (less than 1 million).
The reason he was able to sign with SNY is because the so called sexual harassment charge never took place. SNY investigated the allegation and found it to be untrue.
It was a way for ESPN to “reason” why they terminated him without pay when he had 4 years to go on his contract.
Unfortnately for ESPN, regardless of their spin on the matter, they lost. They settled because he had a great case against them.
Good for Harold. He’s one of the real good guys in the business and he got completely screwed by ESPN.
Ironically, Gammons was one of the few people at the network that stood up for him. Standup move by Peter.
Harold will also be in the Baseball Channel when that debuts next season.
I’m currently watching the Mets-Nats game.
So here’s the conundrum that Corie would understand. The Pope said mass at Nationals Stadium so then it stands to reason that the Nats should be blessed especially at a game on their own hallowed ground. When I turned it on, the Mets were leading 1-0. But then someone named Church on the Mets was either on base or scored or something.
That’s a tough one!
“Find me someone to debate the argument rather than a crying girl with a skinned knee.”
Fine. find an argument that you are actually capable of providing even remotely convincing evidence for, and you got yourself a deal!
You guys are complaining about 9.30?
Sheesh, it’s just an hour.
SJ – Realistically, in what order would you rank Montero’s ideal place when he eventually comes up?
1B, then C? C/DH with thoughts of moving him towards first? What’s his most natural position besides offensive masher?
Interested in seeing what you thought with consideration to his fielding skills, and who else might be in consideration for 1B / C in a few years.
Is it a better overall picture if he comes up in a couple years to step in as Posada’s successor? Do they trade for & sign a decent 1B like Mientkieoevietzcksywic … err .. Doug (or even someone else whose name is easier for JG to spell on a lineup card) for 2-3 years with the intention of Montero taking over?
The way his hitting is described, one can drool over the prospect of having his bat in the lineup sooner than he’s ready. Although if his fielding needs honing he probably should get playing time in the minors, he sounds intriguing even if he comes up as a DH at first.
last night I couldn’t even stay up for all of the post game (early business trip today) – I was hoping to get to sleep before midnight tonight – not looking good for that
I know I couldn’t either.
Betances is in a nice groove now. He’s gone 5 innings, 2 hits, 2 runs (1 earned) 3BB, and 5K’s.
He’s an impressive kid. Still raw but, there’s a lot of talent there. Its pretty evident he is a high ceiling kid.
If he stays healthy, he’s got the chance to be something in a few years. He has been throwing 93-94 very free and easy the last 2 innings.
SJ44, you always make it seem like you know everything but in reality you know nothing. Don’t full so full of yourself. Your knowledge of the game is nothing special.
The Yankees never” get a day game on getaway day.”
I guess this is part of the deal of being the Yankees. It sure makes it tough when you live in the Eastern time zone and have to get up in the morning.
I liked Harold Reynolds. I’m glad to see the allegations were total BS (although its sad he had to go through all that) and he eventually got his due for it.
SJ44,
thanks for the updates.
you typing all of this from your phone?
Sun is shining In Cedar Rapids. Good weather on the way to Chicago. Lucky also – we were forecast rain until tomorrow morning
Regards Gammons, I don’t enjoy his pro-Sox slant, but I respect the man for what he has accomplished. He was born and raised in Red Sox territory, only seems natural he is a fan. Sometimes he comes across as ESPN’s version of Andy Rooney.
Live from Chicago, they’re taking off the tarp right now.
Just in what I am seeing tonight, and its only 5 innings, I’d keep him at catcher as long as they can.
If he can catch, he becomes an even special talent because its so rare to have a catcher with his skills.
Yes, he’s big. But, so is Joe Mauer. He’s not any bigger than Mauer. He’s athletic and that last throw he made to throw out a baserunner was impressive.
I’ll be able to give a more educated opinion after this weekend. Just based on this initial review, I’d keep him at catcher as long as I can.
JS54
If you don’t like what he says, it is very simple don’t read it. everyone else enjoys reading what he says.
Big guys like Montero usually end up getting moved to first base, and I think that’ll be best for his bat in the long term. I also think he can get here sooner if he plays first. And ultimately, I really like Austin Romine as a catching prospect. Does anybody know why he’s on the DL?
Sounds like JS54 has pretty close ties to the team, management, the minor league system, the scouts and tons of experience in the business. Impressive.
Teddy, I missed Andy’s comments – can you give a brief rundown? Thanks!
ANSKY,
i dont know that the allegations were total BS. Reportedly, one of Harold’s complaints were that white employees showed similar behavior and didn’t get reprimanded at all. He claimed racial bias.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04.....ref=slogin
SJ44 – wow.
I always like to look at the outside perimeter of this stuff, so I have a few questions. Why would ESPN attempt to terminate him without any allegation? He was one of their most popular commentators so there would be no good reason to get rid of him. I assume they believed the allegation. Who knows if there were prior allegations. Very odd for a network to can one of its top commentators for nothing.
Why the one million dollar offer? If ESPN was offering that money I assume they were admitting fault. Nobody offers that kind of money just to make someone go away. And then if ESPN thought that had been wrong based on things they later determined, why not just offer him the job back with an admittance that they had been wrong in terminating him. With our bravado sports-loving nation, people weren’t going to turn away from watching ESPN just because they felt Harold had been wronged.
I guess I’m saying I don’t get it.
What kind of investigation could SNY have done and made a determination that Reynolds did no wrong? Unless they instituted a suit against the complainant on behalf of Reynolds, I cannot imagine how they could have determined anything. I am seriously doubting that the complainant all of a sudden got religion and told SNY she made the whole thing up.
Any hard details I can read about?
ANSKY yes i do actally
ANSKY,
i dont know that the allegations were total BS. Reportedly, one of Harold’s complaints were that white employees showed similar behavior and didn’t get reprimanded at all. He claimed racial bias.
src: NY Times
Romine has a lower back injury. Its not considered serious.
ESPN said it stood by its decision to dismiss Reynolds. It said in a statement that the settlement was “economically compelling to ESPN,†amounting to a “fraction of his demands and less than what it would have cost to litigate the case.â€
Who was that big guy who was catcher on Texas a few years ago? Something Casanova? As I remember, he was pretty good for a few years. If I do remember this correctly, then, being a bit larger than than the norm does not necessarily rule out Montero continuing as a catcher.
Hey computer savy people, somehow I enlarged the writing on my screen to like 50 font. How to I fix it.
glad to hear Harold will be on the baseball channel.
SJ44,
Thanks for the interesting observations from Charleston. Another guy that I think is really talented is Abraham Almonte, CF. Looks like he’s got a lot of tools. What’s your take?
It’s legitimately possible 4 players from Charleston make Baseball America’s Top 100 list. Heredia, Betances, Montero, and Almonte. That’s crazy!
SJ44
Have you seen Romine??? Do you like him? Everything I’ve read about him seems to be positive.
Joe,
Raul Cassanova
backup for the Mets
6’0 230
Jennifer – try view–> text size and make sure it is on medium or something (and not largest)
Could be … I don’t know enough about the Reynolds’ case.
“Big guys like Montero usually end up getting moved to first base, and I think that’ll be best for his bat in the long term. I also think he can get here sooner if he plays first. And ultimately, I really like Austin Romine as a catching prospect.”
Montero’s bat could be a HUGE asset at catcher. They’re both in low A. Who knows what’ll happen? it’s best that they try to get them both to stick at catcher. Best case they BOTH develop into major leaguers. More likely that only one of them does, so better to have both at C for as long as possible.
Ahhh thanks. It worked. I don’t know what I hit to make it so large!
JS54 – First I’d seen your posts … always good to read stuff from someone in the know then.
thanks for the Charleston updates SJ, I hope they let De La Rosa pitch tonight
Boston Dave – thanks, but, and you’re right, but I was thinking of another guy named Casanova, who I could have sworn played for Texas, before Pudge went there. In any case, my point was that Montero’s stature doesn’t necessarily rule him out from progressing as a catcher.
those mystery keystroke – no idea what they are but they change all the settings!
New Pete post – the tarp is off…let’s get going!
I’ve always liked Harold Reynolds too. Baseball tonight is definitely much poorer for the lack of his presence. Glad to see he landed on his feet though – too bad YES couldn’t have snagged him.
Betsy
Andy talked alot about when he came up he looked up to Jimmy Key and David Cone. He learned a lot about how to battle through games when he doesn’t have his best stuff from those two.
He said Phil is all about his fastball command, because his only other pitch is the curve. Andy says Phil’s fastball has great movement. He says he doesn’t throw his changeup enough.
Andy talked about how he just needs some confidence and games under his belt, and that he and Ian need to learn that pitching is all about changing speeds and command. He said that Phil will be fine once he hones his mechanics, which will come with time, and that he is still discovering things he can improve upon at his age.
Andy also said that he has a great relationship with Ian and Phil, and that they are all pretty close and aren’t afraid to talk to Andy about pitching.
Castillo hurt himself again
Just a little surprised by the stance if you’re really that closely tied, that’s all.
First pitch about 10 mins away per Bob Lorenz
I haven’t seen Romine play yet. Unfortunately, I won’t see him this weekend because he is on the 7 Day DL.
Almonte hasn’t had to do much tonight. Looking forward to seeing him this weekend. Betances is either striking out people or giving up pop ups or grounders.
He just threw his first changeup for his 6th K and it was a nice pitch and just finished the 6th with his 7th K on a 94 MPH fastball.
I think this will be Betances’ last inning. He’s fun to watch.
9:45 pshhhh
8:45 is what YES says
YES fell asleep w/ letting Harold Reynolds go to SNY
woo hoo! better than a 9:30 start…go yanks! evening everybody!
Yay tarp coming off!
SJ who does Dellin remind you of now that your seeing him in person
What is with the Peter Gammon discussion? He comes to New York for dozens of games every year and gushes about the Yankees, from Cashman on down. Certainly, he has connections to the Red Sox because he is from there. But people up there think he overpraises the Yankees.
He, and most other TV people, can never win. Every fan of every team thinks the announcers are biased. Gammons has forgotten more about baseball in the last 24 hours and 99 percent of us, myself included, will ever know.
To use what he said about Farnsworth as “proof” is silly. Obviously Farnsworth was throwing at Manny. You have to be either stupid or a liar to say otherwise. Just because other players have done it doesn’t make it right. Any player on the Yankees or Red Sox has to know the spotlight is always on them and they should act accordingly.
It’s really discouraging that the Yankees have so many great players and real good guys on their team and people focus on defending Farnsworth instead of saying with is right about Rivera, Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Abreu, Matsui, Damon, etc.
I always like Harold Reynolds, but YES has too many announcers as it is. I just wish they would get rid of Michael Kay. I think Bob Costas would be a great play-by-play guy, but he has an exclusive contract with NBC and probably wouldn’t do it anyway.
Any predictions for tonight? Have I missed them?
Excellent post Peter
Umphrey’s is a really good band.
That’s a good choice by the white sox.
Pete I think this has to do a little about why people in NY don’t like Gammons
BBT Gammons
SJ44,
Anything on Carmen Angelini? How does he look in the field playing defense?
Does he look overmatched at the plate?
Brandon,
He doesn’t really remind of anybody because of his height. He’s so tall, its hard to compare him to a comparable major league pitcher.
The one thing I like about him is his delivery is not herky jerky or awkward. Its very fluid and the ball comes out of his hand nicely.
Because of his size, there are a lot of moving parts. But, its not a delivery that, at least to my untrained eye, seems to put excess pressure on his arm or elbow.
My problem with Gammons is that during the off-season, especially when the Santana trade rumors were going, he endlessly wrote and talked about the Yankees payroll and how bad it was for the game.
When the Red Sox got into the mix, he didn’t have the indignation that he’d shown for the Yankees and their payroll.
I also get tired of hearing what a genius “Theo” is from him.
so we can say solid mechanics after more than 50 pitches w/ Betances ?
Brandon Laird just hit a 2 run bomb to left center. 3-2 Charleston.
Angelini looks fine in the field and ok at the plate. Doesn’t look overmatched. He is very quick and moves smoothly around short.
My beef with Gammons is that he never corrects people when they refer to him as a “Hall of Famer” when he is not in the Hall of Fame. Again – do people refer to Murray Chass as a “Hall of Famer?”
Gammons is also instrumental in pimping for the RS and their prospects and if you think this doesn’t help them then you’re kidding yourself. I’m convinced they Yankees stole Abreu from the Phillies because Gammobns was out of action at the time and unable to screw up the deal.
Of course Farnsworth was throwing at Manny, Pete. If anyone publicly said they threw at someone they’d be asking Bob Watson for even bigger suspensions & fines.
For whatever its worth, the hardcore Sox Nation types I’ve known have always been over sensitive to anything Yanks/Sox, so that has to be factored in when considering their views. There are similar types on this side of course, but I’ve seen a little more of the tendency from the other side.
Pete, I understand the fellowship of the writers/media people, and I agree that PG’s comments about the Farnsworth incident is very poor evidence, but to say that he is not hopelessly biased for the bosox is absurd. His track record is very long in that regard. Hey, do you have box seats at The Stadium and play the guitar with Cash? Nuff said (though there is a lot more. A lot.
Brandon,
People in NY don’t like Gammons because he is a huge Sox fan, and despite what Peter says, he does not rip into the sox like he does the Yankees.
Did Gammons ever say anything when Tavarez told Daisuke to throw high and tight to ARod and then Daisuke hit him?
Peter G. and Peter A. are delusional in this instance.
Ethan,
good point… I am sure there are many others.
Betances sounds like Daniel Cabrera a bit.
Kudos, Pete. You make a lot of sense.
I’ve been making the same argument about Peter Gammons for many months and some people just cannot look past his Red Sox ties.
It’s too bad because the guy does know what he’s talking about.
gargoyle
Gammons IS in the Hall of Fame. There’s a writer’s wing.
how dare someone throw at manny…. HOW DARE THEY?
anyway let’s go yanks!
Considering the Tavarez/Matsuzaka ‘conversation’ on A-Rod, if its true, I wonder if Gammons would have said anything if there was such evidence of someone telling Farsworth to throw at Manny.
SJ: What’s the single season record for wins in a season for a A team, and does Charleston have a chance?
According to Chad Jennings, Dave Robertson is not long for AA Trenton. In fact he could be promoted to AAA after a AAA guy comes up to replace Bruney. Gotta love that blog.
already 2 outs
does anyone remember the espn commercial from way back, they bring up a kid from the farm system – but he is not ready- “Jimmy Key? What is he, 40? I could hit Jimmy Key!”
PG’s reaction to Farnsworth reminded me of that.
I’d never seen him lose it like that.
“Just a little surprised by the stance if you’re really that closely tied, that’s all.”
Ansky, JS54 has just shown up. We know SJ44 DOES have ties into the game, and ALWAYS provides interesting, insightful, well thought-out and well-supported posts. JS54 shows up and is a jerk to SJ44.
What’s likely? That JS54 is ACTUALLY well connected? Or that he’s just an ass?
Boston Dave,,,how are you, friend ?
Pete called Mike and the Mad Dog “smart and funny” last week, forgive me if i take his defense of Gammons with a grain of salt.
“I’ve been making the same argument about Peter Gammons for many months and some people just cannot look past his Red Sox ties.”
some people dont need to look past his Red Sox ties because they are busy looking right at the countless evidence to the contrary. he routinely rips the Yankees. he never rips the Red Sox.
GF -
If you think that Pete defending another member of the media proves your argument that PG isn’t biased then ‘you go girl’.
Pete doesn’t actually deny the bias which you might have noticed if you could read without moving your lips.
i really hate the CWS commentators.
The Hughezinator !!! Let’s go PHIL !!!!
Brandon Laird…La Quinta HS….Fellow Alum Ian Kennedy…
hey Don Vito,
doing well. I’d be doing much better if there was an “ignore” option on the blog so I could weed out the senseless posts of trolls, Giuseppe, anti-mussina, and the like.
how are you?
“Gammons IS in the Hall of Fame. There’s a writer’s wing.”
no he isn’t.
see my post above.
There is a God! I am spared the Hawk’s Horridities for a night. I never thought I’d be so happy to hear MK’s voice in my life.
Gavin Floyd’s career stats are very, very mediocre. Yet this year his stats are ridiculously good. Must have made a deal with the devil. And I do not understand Jorge taking the night off. Not as if he has caught much this year (this assuming he in fact ok and not “Jeter ok”).
This is where Phil needs a third pitch to put people away.
lucky angel…mlb.tv needs to put every yankee game on YES….i hate way games =\
Giambi is sooo bad. He can’t even underhand a baseball!
Oh great Jason almost screwed up again! Jesus. Please bring back doug.
whoa…lousy toss my giambi…we want Shelly!
Teddy – wrong. There is no “Writer’s Wing” of the baseball HOF.
Gammons won the Spink Award a few years back and has his name on a plaque in the museum section of the HOF compound. Not in the HOF.
Here are the other winners non of whom are referred to as “Hall of Famers.”
You are wrong.
1962 — J.G. Taylor Spink
1963 — Ring Lardner
1964 — Hugh Fullerton
1965 — Charles Dryden
1966 — Grantland Rice
1967 — Damon Runyon
1968 — Harry G. Salsinger
1969 — Sid Mercer
1970 — Heywood C. Broun
1971 — Frank Graham
1972 — Dan Daniel, Fred Lieb, J. Roy Stockton
1973 — Warren Brown, John Drebinger,
John F. Kieran
1974 — John Carmichael, James Isaminger
1975 — Tom Meany, Shirley Povich
1976 — Harold Kaese, Red Smith
1977 — Gordon Cobbledick, Edgar Munzel
1978 — Tim Murnane, Dick Young
1979 — Bob Broeg, Tommy Holmes
1980 — Joe Reichler, Milton Richman
1981 — Allen Lewis, Bob Addie
1982 — Si Burick
1983 — Ken Smith
1984 — Joe McGuff 1985 — Earl Lawson
1986 — Jack Lang
1987 — Jim Murray
1988 — Bob Hunter, Ray Kelly
1989 — Jerome Holtzman
1990 — Phil Collier
1991 — Ritter Collett
1992 — Leonard Koppett, Bus Saidt
1993 — Wendell Smith
1994 — No Award Presented
1995 — Joseph Durso
1996 — Charley Feeney
1997 — Sam Lacy
1998 — Bob Stevens
1999 — Hal Lebovitz
2000 — Ross Newhan
2001 — Joe Falls
2002 — Hal McCoy
2003 — Murray Chass
2004 — Peter Gammons
2005 — Tracy Ringolsby
2006 — Rick Hummel
2008* — Larry Whiteside
Phil just saved Giambi an error.
“And I do not understand Jorge taking the night off. ”
this was their plan. he’s coming off an injury, the plan was to catch 2 games, take the 3rd game off.
why is this an issue?
What was that Giambi?
SJ44,
Great stuff tonight. Thanks so much for the detailed updates and your take on the players down in Charleston.
It’s good to hear that Montero doesn’t look like a square peg being forced into a round hole behind the plate. As long as he’s not being forced to fit behind the plate then they should do everything possible to make him work out as a catcher (which of course they are doing).
Does Betances remind you at all of Daniel Cabrera in term of him repeating his deliver/ moving parts (please say no…)
One injury question – have you heard anything about Jair Heredia’s injury? I believe he’s been put on the DL with an injury described generically as an “upper body injury.”
Thanks.
oh my god giambi is bowling
What are those last couple of pitches from Hughes??? It looks like a different kind of curve than from what he’s been throwing…
Reality Check
people might be saying the same thing about Phil Hughes. I’m not suggesting he’s anywhere near the talent level of Phil, just to not jump to conclusions with young pitchers, Floyd included.
ugh Giambi
Even though that was an out, you can’t have your pitcher be bending around and risk pulling something. That’s really another example of why Giambi is such a hindrance out there.
knuckle curve
there is something wrong with the YES gun.
Gameday had that fastball at 94, YES said 84.
not that it matters, but is the YES radar gun a bit off?
Not a bad inning. Didn’t like going to 3-2 after being 0-2 but he’ll learn.
The YES gun is so off. Last night Jenks was throwing 88…Tonight? Phil is throwing 83-86.
does that thing say 86 mph ?
Too many pitches, but I’d rather have three outs and no one on base with a lot of pitches than just a few and four singles.
“What are those last couple of pitches from Hughes??? It looks like a different kind of curve than from what he’s been throwing…”
it looked like he threw Swisher a change up.
Gah I want to watch this game but I’m watching Scrubs and The Office on NBC.
17 pitches for the 1st inning. Much better than last outing. Good sign!
?The yes gun has to be off
YES gun is slow. They had Joba the other night at 93,94 when he was really 97,98.
Who was next to Andy on the bench?
oops, that should be 18
Glad to see his velocity is at about 93-94. His arm strength is there and his fastball command seemed to be sharp. He still seems to be lacking command of his secondary pitches.
WGN in Chicago had hughes at 93-94
hughes just wastes too may pitches. when he gets a hitter 0-2 and goes to a 3-2 count, that’s not good pitching. he’s got to get some command of his pitches.
Gameday has him sitting at 93 and 94.
SJ, do you live in Charleston?
mlb.com had him between 92 and 93.
MLB.com has him at 94, and he has thrown 2 changeups.
Anybody else ever notice when Wang pitches, and the Yanks are playing on two stations, usually YES and ESPN, Wang’s velocity is usually 3-5 MPH HIGHER on YES.
ESPN will have him 92-93 (which is where it really is), and YES will have him at 95-96.
If Wang was throwing 96 MPH sinkers all game it would be IMPOSSIBLE to hit.
Boston Dave, that is a fair point. He has been around parts of three seasons but he is still young at 25. As for Jorge, he is red hot from last night. I would have put him at 1st. Gotta be better that Big G.
Nats tie the score.
Heard the Ortiz shirt went for 175 Gs on eBay and the guy who won the auction was surprised it didn’t go for more. He also said the didn’t believe in superstitions but you have to do whatever you can to get an edge.
O-kay.
Jennifer – I’m surporsed that Andy is still in Chicago and they did not send him ahead.
BTW Chicago radio guys sound pretty good.
Reality Check,
I have to believe Jorge needed the rest? Those doubles tired him out. I also would like to see him stay in the lineup but I don’t know if he can even play 1b? It’s possible he’s not 100% and needs some days off over the next week or so – also maybe why they’re keeping Moeller for now.
Could we have made that inning any easier?
“hughes just wastes too may pitches. when he gets a hitter 0-2 and goes to a 3-2 count, that’s not good pitching.”
agreed. i think he is a little batshy.
what he is trying to do is make the perfect strike 3 on the black. he is trying to catch guys looking instead of trusting his stuff.
that will come.
Heard lots of high praise for Floyd today. Ergo, let’s not get bent out of shape if Yankees don’t hit up a storm against him. (Not saying the whole game will be that way, but if it is, sometimes you run into a buzzsaw…)
Boston Dave,
Just wanted to apoligise for your tussell with 113 the other night. It was not my intention. I didnt go back and read the comments till the next day. Wont happen again.
Whozat – Obviously SJ knows what he’s talking about, is exprience in the business and had has close ties to the game. No doubt there.
That I said I was surprised at the stance was intended as subtle sarcasm. I was just giving JS54 a courteous, semi-obligatory benefit of the doubt, while letting him/her know all my doubts remain intact. That there’s been nothing since to back up their claim, at least as I start to write this entry validates your latter assessment of who he/she is. If their response is that of a mere punk, then a mere punk they be.
Joe said it was their plan all along. Don’t forge he basically hasn’t caught all year so he is back to square one.
I have to say MLB mosaic is AWESOME
“what he is trying to do is make the perfect strike 3 on the black. he is trying to catch guys looking instead of trusting his stuff.”
Mussina influence
another lovely night with Hawk Harrelson.
I hope Hughes can match Floyd all game if Floyd continues to pitch this well. The kid’s young and he’s looked good so far this year.
…Giambi. You MAKE that play.
I cannot stand Jason!! He should have had that too!!
What a BUTCHER Giambi is…Every out in a baseball game is important. You gotta make that play.
Giambi coulda had that…
how can you play baseball all your life and still be that bad with the glove
Get him outa there already!!
nice hustle to get there in time Giambi
Okay can we stop this experiment with Jason at first. I’ve been on his side saying he isn’t that bad. Well I take it back. HE IS!!
See…with a good first baseman, less pitches Hughes has to throw, less baserunners, and now he has to work from the stretch. Defense is so important.
Teddy,
Wang was sitting at 95-96, hitting 97, the other night according to Gamedy, which is the most reliable source.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....b_chamlb_1
wow way to hustle over and catch that foulball jason.
Texiera would have made that catch.
It’s early but Phil stuff looks good.
It’s not just that he’s sitting 93-94 with movement it’s the difference in velocities he’s generating.
His curve is around 75. That’s terrific because when the difference in velocity between your fastball and breaking balls gets up around 20mph that a very tough difference for hitters to deal with.
Hopefully he’s able to get the change up over for strikes and trusts it some more.
how about that Giambi fails to make the out and the guy gets a hit.
dontfirecash
I guess you’re right, but when Wang pitches and it’s on YES and ESPN I flip between both, and it always appears to me the yes gun is rigged.
Jason Giambi will not win a Gold Glove Award at 1st base.
That’s 2 so far tonight for Giambi…how many more before the night is through?
Anyone think the rain could have affected Jason catching that, such as a wet field and not having solid footing?
I did.
Jason is lucky that Phil picked him up.
Okay, I can live with the five pitch inning
Umphrey’s rocks
That was a great inning – 5 pitches
If gameday, mlb etc have him throwing mid 90s why would yes have him not even throwing 89?
Phil just wanted to test himself so he could get a beautiful DP ball. he told Giambi to drop it.
SoS,
no worries.
I love the ground outs
GO/AO 3:2
nice DP. let’s get some hits now boys.
Boston Dave
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things are great and we r in 4 another win !!!!…i know it’s hard, but just laugh at the dolts and move on !!!
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the wierd thing is that i thought Giambi looked really solid defensively for the first 10-15 games of the season.
the last week? not so much.
Brian IDK but that gun is garbage
…Giambi. You MAKE that play.
Rebecca – listen to you! (LOL)
Good observation by CB, Let’s see if he can settle into a rythem or a groove…..At this point confidence is at a premium….As for Jason, why is he out there Joe….
Wow, I dont like Jason on the bag either but he is taking some high heat here tonight. If Farnsworth got 3 games what’s the commish gunna give some of you…. you all are headhunting. Nice quick inning by Hughesey with 92-94 heater getting the job done.
4 pitchers used so far for Cleveland. Game is only in the 7th inning, and it is only game one.
What’s the score?
“… instead of trusting his stuff.”
his fastball seems to have such natural movement, he shouldn’t be afraid to throw strikes. that inning he threw strikes. they hit the ball. but that’s why they have fielders. good inning.
Giambi atones…
Jen: The first game? Seriously?
That’s one of the few times he beat the shift.
Oh God, that obnoxious fan is back.
Argh, didn’t take long for me to loathe MK again.
Is he still trying to make “Generation Trey” happen?
Chicago announcer:
“Any time it rains that hard, there’s a good chance somethings gonna get wet”.
That! my friends is ANALYSIS!
dfa moeller plz call up duncan stop the madness
is that the Melky Melky Melky heckler I hear again? lol
@Guiseppe Franco
Best Commenter Name Ever. Can somebody get me a T-Shirt that has a huge picture of Guiseppe Franco that says “Hey, I’m Guiseppe Franco” on it?
9-6 Cleveland top 8
Oh here we go… the drunken idiot is back yelling at the Melk Man.
Yes, the Melky heckler is back. Must have season tickets.
Giambi hits one into the shift and it squeaks through…. not sure if this is good or bad. It may encourage him to continue to try and pull the ball.
He looked so great on that opposite field HR last night… few on the team have that type of power to just flick the wrist and send it 10 rows deep the other way. Maybe only A Rod besides the Big G has that type of power.
C’mon..Get Phil some runs
Ok, let’s give credit where credit is fue: first he hit a foul ball to LEFT FIELD, then he got a single over the shift. And he just successfully negotiated his way from first base to second base without falling down or pulling a muscle.
Giambi is BACK!
oh the melky stalker is back
Boston Dave, not to belabor the point, but Jorge has already played one game at 1st base this year– without incident. And we have had 2 incidents with the big G tonight already.
YanksAngel
What the heck is he saying. I heard something like be careful.
lol I hope Melky is good at not letting fans get into his head because there is some Chicago fana around home plate who has been harassing him this whole series. I guess Melky ran over his puppy or something.
Love Cabreras approach this year. Even his bluff bunts.
for the beings that reside beneath the bridges:…Oops…there goes another wheel off the wagon !!!
“dfa moeller plz call up duncan stop the madness”
relax brother.
this will happen very soon.
just being 100% sure Posada is OK since Moeller could get claimed.
it’s entirely reasonable.
“Ok, let’s give credit where credit is fue”
Sorry, Dreudian slip.
What did he say?
He’s just yellings stuff at him trying to distract him. “Hey Melky, I’m back” calling the pitches as they come, that sort of stuff.
Ozzie was claiming that this Gavin Floyd guy was like a #1 starter. So far, I’m not impressed.
Melky is awesome.
He’s yelling all sorts of things. Mainly just his name, but yesterday he was trying to tell him what pitch was coming “it’s a fastball” “Melky here comes a fastball”
Reality Check,
I must have forgotten that game. If he is just as capable as Giambi (which I guess is likely) then go for it. I know many of us are calling for Posada at first base at some point, but I feel like he wouldn’t be much more agile than Giambi is and we’d be complaining about it eventually.
Still, you’re right. he’s hitting better than Giambi so it makes sense.
Gotta love a pitcher that walks Yankees. Jeets better not bounce into a DP.
I really wouldn’t blame them if he went over with the bat and hit him in the arm. Not enough to do serious damage. Just enough to get his attention.
It would annoy me if I was sitting near him. I mean I would have paid as much for my seat as he did.
the Hawk Harrelson forgot Felipe Alou. he talked about the Molina brothers, then brought up the Alou brothers…named Matteo and Jesus and then trailed off.
the dude is always so unprepared for whatever he says.
Is the melky heckler audible on YES too? Or is it just where WGN Sports has the crowd mic? Now he is getting at his own pitcher “Throw ball three Gav. Throw ball three.”
If there is anyone here who is not going to be critical of every single thing that every Yankee player does that doesn’t indicate perfection please let me know. Otherwise I think I’ll just take it elsewhere. I read these posts and it reminds me of the romans throwing the christians to the lions. It’s really not pretty.
Sorry but that’s the way I feel. You all have the right to bitch and gripe about everything and anything – and a lot of you do. I just don’t have the head for it tonight. So I’m checking to see if there is anyone who is grateful for what the Yankees have been doing lately and chill enough to enjoy tonight’s game with the hopes and confidence it will continue, even if you can’t wind up those Yankee dolls and get them to do everything like perfect little machines every single time.
And of course if you want to tell me to screw, feel free. I won’t be offended and it will allow you to go to town without being criticized for it. I’ll come back another game.
Maybe we’re all antsy about having to wait longer than usual to watch a night game. Mine just doesn’t translate into kicking the Yankees, especially a player who may be struggling.
I’m going to keep calling it until he hits it. Grand Slam for Jete
Thanks, Teddy! Now Jimmy Key is a guy that is forgotten, but he was so important to the Yankees ……I loved the guy.
Andy’s a great guy and it’s wonderful how he’s taken the kids under his wing. Phil couldn’t learn from a better guy -Andy doesn’t have his stuff, but he’s had an amazing career. I just know that Phil will mix in his change when he’s got more confidence.
On another note, how do Phil’s mechanics look? Is he going with the old mechanics like last start?
“Giambi hits one into the shift and it squeaks through…. not sure if this is good or bad. It may encourage him to continue to try and pull the ball.”
Giambi has a batting average for his balls (BABIP)put into play of .100.
That is remarkably low. Part of that is definitely bad luck (probably most of it).
But the other reason why his BABIP is so low is that he keeps hitting into the shift.
Oh, so it’s the mounds fault that he sucks.
“And of course if you want to tell me to screw, feel free. I won’t be offended and it will allow you to go to town without being criticized for it. I’ll come back another game.”
nah, i’m with you.
the funny thing is that it’s not even that bad tonight.
Speed kills!
Laura: lol i was thinking the same thing. this is total crap though he’s not hurt or anything, he’s just in a tough spot and he’s taking practice throws in the middle of an AB.
Giambi lucky that the throw was up the line. Never would have made it.
no glove but all wheels for giambi
I rarely ever bitch about the Yankees – I’m not here to gripe about them. I’m more about being positive, and if I don’t have anything nice to say about them I just don’t say it on here. There is more than enough people to do that, without me piling on, lol.
Nice slide.
Giambi is a speedster
That was pretty lucky. The Chicago catcher really had him by a mile if he caught it closer to the line!
thanks god, they didn’t throw to 1B to nail Damon.
and the super professional Hawk Harrelson’s response to that play? “….dag nabbit” followed by 30 seconds of complete silence.
lol good job by the big G… even if he doesnt get points for style. He looked like an offensive lineman running a timed -40. But good job getting a hit and scoring a run I suppose.
Does Giambi look like he is fast walking when he runs? All lower body.
I wonder if the fans next to the heckler buy him stuff to eat just to shut him up.
hmmm
i was thinking the same thing. its not bad tonight at all.
plus, we’re on a 3 game win streak.
the sox lost, the mets are losing…
Bobby again !!
Trisha,
Good points…we’re only 1 behind Boston in the loss column…things are pretty good actually…
And Giambi made it home!
bobby keeps crushing it the other way
El Comeldulce!
Abreu comes through again. That man wants a new contract.
Bobba!!Almost hit one out!!Nice getting the kid some runs. I guess second time through the lineup helped.
This announcing is horrible (WGN). I wish I lived in the NY area still so I wasn’t stuck watching the Braves and the Cubs/Sox all the time.
Man, I LOVE Abreu.
And I almost wrote I LOVE Giambi before I realized that might have been an issue.
Thanks hmmm and Angel. I really need the company!
I am blown away by Abreu and the tremendous player he is. He basically has all the tools when you think about it.
fast walking hahahahaha thats exactly what it is
was that a double ?
Abreu is just crushing the ball.
was that a milestone hit for abreu cause they threw the ball to dugout? haven’t heard yes dudes say anything.
Nice job, Bobby!
I’m so glad I put him on my fantasy team.
Come on, Morgan. Make ‘em pay.
11:30 at night Bobby working out and not cruising.
nevermind. 1000th rbi. cheers.
Oh Bobby you’re my hero.
If the Yankees don’t sign him again for next year the White Sox should seriously consider doing so because the guy absolutely rakes at US Cellular
I didn’t have to type it…but I swear I was about to type…here comes a 2 out double by the boo-boo !..
SWEET !
Can we sign people to 1 year contracts from now on? It seems to “focus” them
Congrats to Abreu on 1000 ribbies
Is it too soon to call him Bobby Baseball?!?!??!
Or is that sacrilegious?
now lets get through 5 innings…
He mistoke Morgan for Manny Ramirez.
SUSPEND FLOYD!!!!!
Lets suspend him. Up and in almost hit him in the head.
there’s the ignoramus fat midwestern fans cheering morgan almost getting hit in the face. class.
Yanks have Floyd on the ropes
Please stop raining!!! It finally looks as though Phil’s finally got his stuff together!
Suspend that man 3 games. Now.
Darn it is pouring.
But they’ve played in worse. They better not call it.
Score update?
They may put the tarp back on.
Ugh, the rain looks a bit ferocious.
Wow! Did they really just say he almost ‘walked into that one’ referring to when Morgan almost got hit?
Like the fans at Yankee Stadium cheering Farnsworth going up and in to Manny? Is that class, ron ron?
Dynasty and Boston Dave – thanks too! We really are playing well when you think about it.
Okay I say I never criticize anything about the Yankees. Well I have a confession to make. I was exasperated the other night to see Giambi and Posada hitting back to back only because someone would have to hit a rocket to score both of them!
I have a question for anyone out there that paid for MLB Extra Innings. Which broadcasters do you get when you watch Yankees games? Is it like on MLB.tv and you get YES on home games and the road announcers when the Yankees aren’t home?
perhaps Phil’s best start of the year… and he might not get to go more than 2.
Darn. Looked like a small storm system. Hopefully it won’t be long. How long, can we wait and still bring Phil back.
Here comes the tarp.
Damn, Phil is looking good too.
http://www.weather.com/weather.....earch_city
Radar oes not look bad. Maybe half hour, hour.
“SUSPEND FLOYD!!!!!”
I say twice as long being nobody went deep yet.
Does Hughes come back out after the delay? Ugh. Tonight Girardi’s strategy would have worked.
I disagree with Cone, I wouldn’t push Hughes. Kennedy maybe, but Hughes is too valuable to risk if it’s a long delay.
Trisha,
That’s funny…I wonder who’d win a race between the two of them…
YanksAngel
Really? Failing on your butt is walking into it. What idiots.
wow, this is depressing. Poor Phil………..can’t catch a break. I’m sure he won’t be coming out again – can’t take any chances.
How could the Pope allow this to happen when Phil is looking good?!?!? End fast, damned rain!
Hughes better get out there when this comes back
Maybe I wait 30 minutes, but no longer.
MLB is ridiculous with the way they do things. They could’ve played a day game in perfect weather and given the Yankees some sleep tonight in Cleveland. But instead, they’ll arrive in Cleveland sometime early this morning with no sleep. Good job by the MLB schedule people once again.
If the delay is longer than 30 mins, he may not send Hughes back out there.
This is going to be a long game. Hope it is not a long delay or we could loose Hughes.
http://www.weather.com/weather.....earch_city
Radar.
This Sox tribute to a Switchfoot soundtrack is lame.
Nick dont you worry…the pope is actually making sure floyd is even worse next inning….
I heard hes coming back next week to throw a bucket of holy water on giambi
Corey this is for you. With reference to your Pope reference, I mentioned earlier that the Nats should then enjoy the same bennies since the Pope said mass there also. Well during the rain delay I turned on the Mets-Nats game and the Mets were leading fist 1-0 and then 2-0. The Nats are now leading 7-4 going into the 8th inning.
He he.
I did say there was a bit of a conundrum there though since it appears that the Mets have a player named Church and they also have an Angel!
Radar does not look too bad, though the blog doesn’t want me to post the link.
The MLB schedulers are Crock Sox fans. No doubt in my mind.
Its 3-0
Im not sure how the broadcaster work. I have mlb and its the chicago guys. I guess it might be.
Laura, you get both broadcast. You can choose from either team.
This sucks, the one time he looks like he will have a good start, he may very well not be able to complete it. That’s just terrible.
This freaking sucks – a completely wasted start from Phil, who has to wait another 5 days. The kid can not catch a break. I wonder if he could come in relief on his throw day to at least face some real hitters? Wow, I am really annoyed that they even started this game.
Btw, Bosto Dave, I am also boston dave having been in this God forsaken spot for a long time. Tough duty, huh?
yep trisha….the Pope does magical things lol…..
rain rain go away!
Oh, great. Thanks Hooog.
I may do Extra Innings next season. I can’t take some of these road announcers. Hawk and Dan are by far the worse.
With all due respect, if you think its too risky for Hughes to go back in, it should be just as risky for Kennedy
I have to say this about our Yankees. They seem to have more fight in them this year. With all the injuries and the slumps. We still have a winning record.
Yankees #27 in 08!!
this sucks. after a long offensive inning there is a delay. that’s a long time for Phil to have to sit. figures, when he was doing well this happens.
BLOW ME RAIN
Trisha,
Yeah but Angel’s last name is Pagan…
I heard the home team picks start time except for MLB TV commitments that they are bound to contractually.
“Laura, you get both broadcast. You can choose from either team.”
Damn!!And all this time. How?
Reality,
its awful. i quit my job and am splitting town in August. I need a change of scenery and a little less annoying Sox fans… not to mention it’s hard to date girls who love the Sox (even if they’re just bandwagon fans anyway)
I live in Chicago. Hawk used to be fairly decent, but has become old and bitter. DJ is actually pretty good if you get him away from Hawk.
WS fans are tired of Hawk as well. Most I know hate him and want him gone.
So far this season -
Red Sux rain delays – 0
Yankees rain delays – 7
Laura I don’t know if it differs with cable and satellite but I can tell you at least with satellite this year is different from all the others. For us YES is 622. Sometimes we are blacked out of YES on 622, sometimes not. But here’s the weird thing. In the past when we were blacked out of YES on 622, we would get the other team’s feed on MLB ExtraInnings stations. This year we can be blacked out of YES on 622 but we will still get the YES feed, only on anb ExtraInnings channel!
Now here’s the final distinction. Whatever market you are in, you will always be blacked out of YES if the Yankees are playing a team in your market. So when the Yankees play the S_X, I always have to watch it on NESN.
I am on my way out soon too. Good for you, Boston Dave. Radar looks like rain will end soon.
Guys, the radar doesn’t look bad, they shoul get back to the game fairly shortly.
Yanks have had 7 rain delays this year already? I didn’t realize it was that many…
Too bad the new stadium doesn’t have a dome…
If we can’t bring Phil back out you can bet that Brian will be on the dl tonight. We will need to bring someone up for tomorrows game.
I’m willing to bet that Joe is on the phone asking how long can the delay be and still send Phil out.
Wil Nieves!!!
Anyone have an idea when they may resume play? Is this a short storm?
Hey Rebecca did you hear about this?
http://www.myfoxny.com/myfox/p.....geId=3.2.1
Dynasty -
That’s a SCREAM! No wonder the Mets are losing!!!!!
Now 8-4. Nats on the corners, 1 out. I was wrong when I said going into the 8th. It was going into the 7th, not the bottom of the 7th.
Jennifer you mean Ross
Who would they bring up to replace Bruney should he go on the DL? Albaladejo maybe since his on the 40 man but I’d rather see Rasner. He’s been solid at AAA and obviously can go long innings. problem is he’s not on the 40 man i don’t think.
9-4 Nats (it’s something to care about:) )
Bring Wil Nieves into pitch? Huh? What?
“not to mention it’s hard to date girls who love the Sox (even if they’re just bandwagon fans anyway)”
Boston Dave. Your a slick talker. If their fine,convert them. Unfortuneatley, I heard most dont have their front teeth.
Laura, Sorry, I should have clarified by asking what market you are in. One benefit of being in Chicago is that I get the Yankee broadcast for every game except WS games.
Just announced tarp is coming off again.
I just switched over to the Mets game while waiting. What the hell happened there
So, Cleveland still has another game to play tonight. That SUCKS for them.
What I just read, though, is that they’re calling up TWO lefties for the Yankee series, meaning that they’ll face Byrd and then three lefties in a row. Seems too perfect NOT to call up Duncan to swap in for Giambi or Abreu in those games. And I wouldn’t mind, maybe, Gonzo getting a game in place of Cano against one of those AAA lefties…
Nieves got a hit in the Nats game – unrelated statement
Brandon… any minor league updates besides SJ in Charleston that I missed earlier?
Anyone have a final line on Betances?
LOL Felipe Lopez has 6 RBIs !
Jen: I did not, thanks for the link!
I mean Brian, he is hurt. I forgot that Rasner isn’t on the 40 man, so a move would have to be made than.
Uh 9-4 Nats.
Scranton will be playing the little S_X in May. I got myself tickets for all 4 games.
“He’s been solid at AAA and obviously can go long innings. problem is he’s not on the 40 man i don’t think.”
I think it has to be Rasner…DFA a guy like Steven White.
10-4
If the delay is too long for Hughes to get back in the game that’ll mean even more innings for Ross Ohlendorf who has already thrown a lot of innings.
With the bull pen having thrown so many innings can the yankees really afford to be a man down in the pen?
Say Bruney will miss 5-7 games – can they afford to not put him onto the DL?
If Ohlendorf racks up even more innings tonight and they put Bruney on the DL tomorrow – that would be unfortunate.
S.A. It’s the Pope’s doing…
10-4.
Test. SUX.
S.O.S. you’re cracking me up over here…. that’s pretty funny.
Even though I hate to admit it, there are some amazingly hot girls in San Diego that are Red Sox fans. Unfortunately its true. Sometimes you just can’t discriminate.
eh. by the time the game gets back underway i’ll be watching Lost instead…
One of the Yankees rain delays was in Boston, so the Sox have at least one.
Jose Veras
1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R 0 ER 0 BB 1 K, PT/S 18-11
GO/AO 2:0
1.80 ERA
Scott Patterson
1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, PT/S 12-9
GO/AO 1:1
not bad in Scranton HR S. Duncan
Toronto losing again tonight. I say 3rd place again for them this year. Have no offense.
“Unfortunately its true. Sometimes you just can’t discriminate.”
Equal opportunity miggs. Take it for the team.
Doreen – right. That was the Saturday afternoon game when FOX cut off the end to go to racing.
“I think it has to be Rasner…DFA a guy like Steven White.”
Sean Henn is still on the 40 man. He’s only on the 15 man DL.
I’d think they’d DFA Henn as he really seems to have no role n the team and is out of options.
I always found it disturbing how often you see Yankees fan-Red Sox fan couples at the games.
By the way they just cut into that commercial, you think the rain delay might be over soon…
Pete, an update?
Apparently the tarp is off – I still say Phil can’t come out. I’ll be sick to my stomach if he injures himself. The field is going to be a mess – one bad slip and we have another hamstring injury on our hands.
lol trisha!
I say have Phil throwing down in the basement or in the clubhouse at regular intervals.
Have him throw at about 70% to keep his arm good and then have him throw only 2-3 more innings.
It can work.
rain update?
One more thing miggs. San Diego bandwagon fans probably have all their teeth still. Lucky you. I married a rookie and converted her. Best solution to the problem.
I was at the game last night. The couple behind me was a mixed Yankee – Redsux couple. She was a Yankee fa, so you would think she had some taste, but she was with an obnoxious Redsux fan. He was wearing a Mtsuzaka jersey and roughly every 20 minutes he would yell out “MATSUZAKA”. I think Yankee fans and Whitesox fans alike were ready to smack the crap out of him.
oh yeah Gardner got a single scored a run in AAA
AA slow night for Action and J-Tab, but Matt Carson hit a HR
A real slow night
Charleston Wady Rufino hit a 2 run shot..you know the rest.
Brian,
I go to Fenway often with my Red Sox girlfriend and I wear my Yankees gear and she wears her red sox gear. We only go to Yanks/Sox games. What’s so disturbing about it?
“I always found it disturbing how often you see Yankees fan-Red Sox fan couples at the games.”
Worst is J-lo with Affleck or should i say benifer. She looked like a Yankee not a sox
at least i got to watch 30 rock
“I’d think they’d DFA Henn as he really seems to have no role n the team and is out of options.”
Oh, yeah, totally. Unless Girardi is so stuck on neeeeeding a lefty and has soured on Traber. That would eat it.
If they decide that Molina and Posada are good to go, they could DFA Moeller (they have to), DL Bruney and bring up both Shelley and Rasner.
As long as we’re talking about Scranton’s game:
Dan Giese (normally a reliever but starting for the injured Alan Horne)
6.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 9 K 0.86 ERA
We are already over 30 minutes.
Me and my gf are a mixed couple. I’ve been a Yanks fan since birth and she’s from up here so she has followed the team too. We sit in separate rooms every night 7-10 because I refuse to listen to Rem-Dog. We’ve been together 2 years now and it has never really been a problem. I’ll be raising my kids yankee fans.
“I was at the game last night. The couple behind me was a mixed Yankee – Redsux couple. She was a Yankee fa, so you would think she had some taste, but she was with an obnoxious Redsux fan. He was wearing a Mtsuzaka jersey and roughly every 20 minutes he would yell out “MATSUZAKAâ€.”
Wait…at the Yankee game? In Chicago? What a yutz. How drunk was he? I’m not sure if it’s worse if he was wasted, or if he was sober.
Brandon you keep track of those guys pretty good. Let me ask you, in AAA who do you think they should recall if Bruney goes to the DL? Rasner, Patterson, Igawa, or Veras?
Amazingly, all 4 have a case as to why they should get a shot with this team. Rasner has been lights out, Igawa is Cy Young in AAA, and Patterson can’t really do much better than he has been. But he was great all last year and still was never recalled. What do you guys think? Who do they bring up? I say bring up 2 guys, rasner for long relief and Patterson for the other spot. DL Bruney and send down Traber.
Radar shows it should be over soon. But more, heavier rain to come with an hour or so in between.
whens the game coming back on? bedtime is soon
“We sit in separate rooms every night 7-10 because I refuse to listen to Rem-Dog. ”
Oh, I like Remy. He makes those interminable games pretty entertaining. I love it when it’s past his bedtime and he just starts rambling about whatever happens to come to mind. He’ll just crack orsillo up to the point where he can’t even talk. It’s amazing.
any word on this game?
I’m watching Lost now
Patterson has a 4.66 ERA and has allowed 9 H in 9.2 IP
S.O.S. my fiance never watched too much baseball before she started dating me so I got lucky, she just became a fan of whatever team I rooted for. So that worked out. She’s now a diehard Yankees, Cowboys, and Georgetown Hoyas fan.
“Brandon you keep track of those guys pretty good. Let me ask you, in AAA who do you think they should recall if Bruney goes to the DL? Rasner, Patterson, Igawa, or Veras?”
I just do the stat updating and ocassional opinion, whozat, CB and SJ are the call up specialist… and who they most would like to see is Scott Patterson because he throws stikes, but statistically Edwar has been better.
“I dated a red sox girl. ”
hey, wow…that post was totally inappropriate.
“Patterson can’t really do much better than he has been.”
Patterson has had some bad outings recently. Igawa hasn’t been as good as Rasner, though he’s been mostly good. Veras is Bruney Lite. Great stuff, not so great control.
strikes ! *
Sterling just said they’re taking the tarp off.
I hope this doesn’t hurt Phil – either in this game or physically.
“I’ll be raising my kids yankee fans”
Rob does your wife know this ????
Rob NY,
I don’t mind Rem Dog so much as long as he stays with the game and doesn’t go off on one of his usual tangents like how he likes to eat a hot dog or something like it.
He actually is a fair announcer and doesn’t come down on the other team and put ‘em down like some of the scumbags you hear out there.
Thanks Joe.
Pete, can we please have an update?
One of my closest friends at Syracuse is a Red Sox fan. He knows not to gloat when watching Sox-Yankees with me, though, cos I have swords and I know how to use them.
hmm well if they get the game going now….i guess id stick with hughes….
And let me say that I still think Patterson could be interesting. Respect Jeter’s Gangster has an interview posted with the guy who does the Trenton Thunder blog, and he pointed out that Patterson would have his bad outings after getting passed over for callups. So, do with that what you will.
whozat that’s what I hate about Veras it’s either 2 BBs and a double or 2 K’s w/ him…he has improved on getting more ground outs so has Igawa yesterday Igawa had a 6:2 GO/AO, IDK what the F…. is wrong w/ him when he sees an ML mound
“It gives me something to smile about in regards to giving a red sox fan a shot to the face”
Oh man this is the kind of stuff that makes a rain delay more bearable. I actually laughed out loud when I read that one.
Tarp’s coming off the field now, as per John Sterling
Maybe they will finish the 2 games in Cleveland before this game’s done.
Yeah Rem-Dog isn’t terrible but he just rubs me the wrong way lol Nothing reasonable about it just his voice over the course of a game grates on me. And as far as my future wife, she vehemently argues that our kids will be Red Sox fans; over my dead body.
I don’t mind Remy. He sort of reminds me of a Red Sox Rizzuto
i am frightened by a woman that admits to owning swords
I read that Ohlendorf is warming, so Phil is out. I’m glad – it would have been utterly foolish to take any chances. Phil just seems to have a black cloud over his head this year…….the baseball gods must hate him.
Ohlendorf for a long relief stint? Somewhere CB is cringing about low-leverage innings and innings caps.
How many minutes are we at? Don’t forget Hughes was already resting while the team was hitting.
WHHHYYYYY didn’t they DL Bruney and get another arm for today. They’re going to burn Ohlendorf AGAIN. It’s just such a waste.
“whozat that’s what I hate about Veras it’s either 2 BBs and a double or 2 K’s w/ him”
Like I said…Bruney Lite. Or Latin Bruney, maybe.
Suzyn just said that ohlendorf is warming on the bullpen on the radio now
whozat yeh that’s weird about Scott, I’m rooting for him too and I’ve noticed that , it weird but it makes me root for him because it effects him. So when Edwar is called up this weekend expect another stinker ?
I can’t say that I blame Joe. If he brought Phil back out than he got hurt, he’d never hear the end of it.
warm up in the bullpen
“i am frightened by a woman that admits to owning swords”
Would you rather she owned them and DIDN’T tell you?
about 40 minutes into it now?
Has anyone else seen these WB Mason Commercials on YES? They are the worst productions I’ve ever seen. I’d rather watch a documentary on the Utah Polygamists.
Is anyone watching WGN? The weatherman just lost his blue screen and it was like the ESPN commercial where Lance Armstrong stops peddling to supply power.
Poor schmuck was totally lost.
“So when Edwar is called up this weekend expect another stinker ?”
In fairness, other guys ARE earning it more right now. I think it’s gotta be Rasner, though, not Edwar.
bahhh no phil
Game on.
“Like I said…Bruney Lite. Or Latin Bruney, maybe.”
if he gets more groundouts you won’t be able to compare him w/ Bruney
This is a true story, pretty funny I think, but as Yankee fans you will definitely understand and appreciate it. My ex was not a baseball fan at all but did respect my space when games were on. Well if you all remember how huge the game was at the Stadium when Roger faced Pedro, my ex was out of town at a conference that night and we had been warring about something. I was happy to let it keep going until the game started. I asked him respectfully if we could put it off until the game was over and he went ballistic. I didn’t think it was an unreasonable request. I finally had to take the phone off the hook so I could watch the game.
I had to do a lot of kissing up when he got home. A LOT! He absolutely had no sense of humor about it and not a whit of understanding. My thinking was that you can fight anytime, but this was the biggest game in the world.
Why not use Kennedy? It’s his normal day, and then you could skip him on Saturday or call someone up for a spot start, as opposed to killing Ohlendorf.
argh..Hughes was doing so well
no hughes
These rain delays will probably mean they overuse the bullpen tonight. They will probably need to bring up another pitcher tomorrow, but at least Andy is pitching tomorrow night. He is usually good for 7 innings.
Man that is so not fair to Hughes, he looked really good.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com.....1192988750
The most recent addition to the collection.
“Suzyn just said that ohlendorf is warming on the bullpen on the radio now”
2 innings from Ross? Than move through the pen? Joba is rested and can give us 2.
They don’t bring back Phil Hughes. I am disappointed at that,but it’s great and right decision. It’s too bad it seems Hughes is on his way to have a good game.
Hughes has been on the bench for like 70 minutes.
tough call, but i think Girardi made the right move.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com.....bf.jpg?v=0
Rest of the collection.
Floyd will pitch for the soxs.
rebecca is one of them ren fair gal’s
Girardi was criticized in Florida for bringing a guy back after a rain delay, no way he would do it here.
hmm if it is 70 minutes, that it isn’t a tough call. He just has to manage the pen very well tonight. And figure out what to do for tomorrows game.
How hard is it really to put inflatable roofs over all the ballparks?
Trisha,
You are the definition of a true Yankee Fan!
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Ollie as the 7/8 inning guy, and Rasner as the long man. I realize this relegates Kyle, LaTroy and Bruney to lesser or no role at all…but c’est la vie. I think Ollie should be given a shot at it, and he can alternate with Joba, especially when Joba gets back to starting.
Yeah Girardi is gun shy after everybody in the world criticized him for Florida’s young pitchers. Is it just me or did Hawk Harrelson go home or something and im getting no play by play?
i dont hear the cws commentators….where are they..did someone off them? that would be spectacular.
Matsui always looks like it’s his first time out there…
Joe kept Ohlendorf out of last night’s game and some people were unhappy about it. However, he may have been thinking about the potential need for long relief it Hughes had an abbreviated outing, and as it turns out, it was the right call.
This kid can pitch. Come in and throw strikes…I like that.
Only three of the swords are from Ren faires–the wooden one, the most recent one and the light sword. The larger broadsword is from Scotland and the civil war officer’s sword is from Gettysburg
Rob NY, be very grateful.
No Phil. Damn!
Let’s go Ross!
It was only a 40 minute delay… I think hughes should have been brought back out. I’m all for taking care of the kids, but this is a little silly. If it was a 2 hour delay, then maybe. But 40 minutes? Come on.
Now the advantage we would be getting with Cleveland having a doubleheader today is basically lost. Both pens will be shot. I think they need to bring up 2 guys. Rasner and Patterson or Ramirez. DL Bruney and send down Traber.
MLB.TV has no Chicago announcers, just the which actually is great!!
More innings heaped onto Ohlendorf’s arm.
If the game doesn’t get delayed Ohlendor is going to wind up throwing 18 innings in 23 games.
That is insane.
Why is Girardi turning Ross Ohlendorf into Scott Proctor? Wait… it’s even worse than Proctor because Ohlendorf has to throw 3 low leverage innings at a time.
Is Brian Bruney such a truly unique talent that they can’t afford to put him on the DL? Is he that central to the team?
They are ruining Ohlendor’s arm. He is not going to be able t pitch effectively later on in the year.
If you are going to force a short relief pitcher to throw long relief why not have Hawkins do that? Girardi already does not trust him in a big late inning spot.
At this point they should just send Ohlendorf down to AAA and call up Rasner – more to protect Ohlendor’s arm than anything else.
spoke too soon. They’re back now.
crap theyre back….and alive…
“How hard is it really to put inflatable roofs over all the ballparks?”
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah
cb what the heck are they supposed to do tonight? Phil’s game was cut short due to rain.
Phil giveth and Phil taketh away……..this is truly a frustrating evening, but I firmly believe that Joe made the right move. I can’t believe how many people are complaining about Phil being taken out ……….not on here, but elsewhere.
“It was only a 40 minute delay… I think hughes should have been brought back out. I’m all for taking care of the kids, but this is a little silly.”
yes, but the Yankees hit for 30 minutes in the top of the 3rd.
it was 70 minutes since he threw a pitch.
it’s not silly at all.
it’s not clear cut either way, but it’s not silly.
Wasn’t Ohlendorf a starter at one point? Why then wouldn’t his arm be geared for long relief outings?
Jennifer: Send any combination of Farnsworth and/or Hawkins for 2-3 innings a piece.
CB,
Wow what do you expect Girardi to do in this situation? Who else can he go to in the 3rd inning? Yeah great idea lets go with Hawkins who has been a short reliever his entire career whereas Ohlendorf was a starter just last year. Girardi has no other choice than to put Ohlendorf in.
Hopefully they DL Bruney and call up Rasner for these situations.
I’m still wondering why this team doesn’t have a long man. Girardi doesn’t have a choice but to use Ohlendorf as a long man because the GM doesn’t want to suck it up and DFA Farnsworth or Hawkins and call up Rasner.
Floyd is still in there…but not Hughes…I don’t get it…
CB
My post got caught in the filter, but I had suggested using Kennedy in relief tonight, and then going back to the normal rotation and bringing up Rasner for a spot start when needed. Tonight is Kennedy’s normal day, so it would have been fine.
Question: Can you use IPK tonight out of the bullpen for multiple innings, scratch him for Saturday, and start Hughes instead. He only threw 23 pitches.
Or can you save Hughes and use him out of the bullpen if IPK struggles on Saturday and you need to yank him early?
Any thoughts?
I have to say the soxs have a crappy grounds crew. And does Ozzie want to delay this game anymore? Jesus start it already. And this should count as a visit. He was walking to Flyod.
I have to agree with the majority here. In general, I agree with CB 100% about Ohlendorf, but tonight -well, just more bad luck. It’s still the right decision – it would have been stupid to send Phil out there.
“Wasn’t Ohlendorf a starter at one point? Why then wouldn’t his arm be geared for long relief outings?”
his arm hasn’t been preped for this role it’s going to effect him later on this season.
“It was only a 40 minute delay… I think hughes should have been brought back out. I’m all for taking care of the kids, but this is a little silly. If it was a 2 hour delay, then maybe. But 40 minutes? Come on.”
It was 50, and he’d been sitting for the whole third while the Yanks were batting too, so that’s 70 or 80 minutes.
Jennfer – I was thinking the same thing…what is he waiting for?
Oh come on already! This is insane. 30 warm up pitches. Come on already!
We are who we are.
No way that Girardi was going to get roasted for having Phil pitch after a rain delay after what he went through in Florida.
IMO, tomorrow Ohly will be in AAA and Bruney on the DL (Ohly because he will be useless for a few days after today), and Rassner and Albaladejo/Edwar will be up for the Cleveland series.
Dyynasty the rain delay wasnt prohibitively long and since Floyd walked off the mound at the beginning and Rock and ROhlendorf had a quick inning it wasnt as long for him as the over an hour Hughes was sitting.
“It gives me something to smile about in regards to giving a red sox fan a shot to the faceâ€
I just got back. I havnt laughed that hard with my mouth clothes ever. My wife thinks we talk baseball here. Wouldnt want to get grounded from this blog.
Next time do it lowinsky style,the red sox jersey.
maybe the Yankees think this game is only going 5 innings.
You have to take Hughes out. Have to. His future is more important than tonight’s game. He pitched well, showed improvement and will hopefully come back strong next start.
“cb what the heck are they supposed to do tonight? Phil’s game was cut short due to rain.”
Have DLed Bruney today and brought up Alba or Rasner.
“what the heck are they supposed to do tonight? Phil’s game was cut short due to rain.”
First they should have just put Bruney on the DL. A sprained mid-foot is a significant injury that often takes a long time to heal. And then they should have called up a long man (like Rasner).
Second if they are not going to do that then they should have put Hawkins into this game and asked him to throw 3 innings.
If Ohlendorf does well tonight and gives them the 3-4 innings they are looking for he will be on a pace to throw 126 innings this season.
126 innings in this season! That blows Scott Proctor’s workload out of the water.
Ohlendorf has a great arm – great. His ball has so much natural movement to it – you can’t teach that.
And they are now taking a chance with his health. Why? What makes it worth it?
And if they didn’t want to put Bruney on the DL they should have just sent Ohlendorf to AAA and called up a reliever.
You just cannot take a guy as talented as Ohlendorf and treat his arm like garbage.
He is not Scott Proctor or Vizcaino. He has a promising future and could be a vital part of the pen for years to come as the set up guy.
If he survives how he’s being used.
Meant
With my mouth closed
This is painful. It’s only the 4th inning.
“Have DLed Bruney today and brought up Alba or Rasner.”
i bet Moeller is DFA’ed after the game and Alba is here tomorrow.
Cano is lunging at everything.
Man again Giambi is a bad fielder, the foul ball and the toss to Hughes he has no range.
they need to bring up DUncan before Cleveland and send down the 3rd catcher and move Bruney to DL and add a aarm.
Taking out Hughes was a no brainer….
Okay, would you use IPK tonight out of the bullpen for multiple innings? If so, can you start Hughes instead on Saturday? He only three 23 pitches.
Alternatively, are you better off starting IPK on Saturday and using Hughes out of the bullpen in case you need to yank IPK early?
How is it that Cano is hitting .163?
The YES gun is REALLY slow, right?
I think CB expects them to plan ahead put Bruney on the DL and call up a long man. Not much they could do about it once the game started, but they should’ve planned ahead.
Nice lets give him a nice easy inning.
you can hear that Melky guy on YES too – how weird is that guy
I love these Yankees…
But actually Ohlendorf hasn’t been in for a while. People have been upset about it. Well maybe it’s part of Girardi’s plan to use him for longer innings and maybe he is going to do is sparingly, such as save just for nights when one of the guys really gets bombed out of there early.
If he is doing that I personally don’t have a problem with it. We need a long relief guy. Who better?
I think Guillen would have kept Floyd in there even if he had to wait as long as Hughes…
at least with a quick hit Melky doesn’t have to tolerate his heckler very long.
did the announcer really say ‘can of corn’ in relation to that fly out?
“If Ohlendorf does well tonight and gives them the 3-4 innings they are looking for he will be on a pace to throw 126 innings this season.
126 innings in this season! That blows Scott Proctor’s workload out of the water.”
i understand your concerns, and i mostly agree, but the Yankees are NOT going to use him for 126 innings this season. they won’t even come close to that.
you are acting as if this already happened.
Possitive way to look at Hughes not coming in is we save some of his innings for the second half part of the year.
Most of you guys and girls on this board seem like pretty astute observers of the game…
Can you tell what your opinions are regarding Cano? His average is unreal…no way a guy with his talent should be posting a .163 avg…
What gives?
If he is doing that I personally don’t have a problem with it. We need a long relief guy. Who better?
Agreed.
CB is blowing this way out of proportion. Ohlendorf can handle a lot of innings, he threw 155 innings in 2005 and 182 innings in 2006.
“If he is doing that I personally don’t have a problem with it. We need a long relief guy. Who better?”
Rasner. The point is that Ohlendorf is talented enough that he could be a late-innings guy. A guy like Rasner can handle the long man/swing-man role, but not the late-innings role.
That’s why using Ollie in these low-leverage situations is a waste.
“Yeah great idea lets go with Hawkins who has been a short reliever his entire career whereas Ohlendorf was a starter just last year.”
No. This is completely incorrect. Hawkins has not been a short reliever his whole career.
He was a starter for severl years.
And you keep bringing up this idea that because Ohlendorf was a starter until last year that its ok to use him this way.
Its not.
He was hurt last year (bad back) in AAA and did not even make that many starts. Then he was converted to relief when he came back. So its not like he even pitched a starters work load last year.
He was not stretched out at all during the spring to build up his arm strength.
And now its somehow OK to have him throw 18 innings out of the pen over 23 games (and 23 games during which they’ve had almost no games off)?
That is just nonesense. They are abusing his arm right now.
And look at how much rest he’s getting between these long relief stints – it’s not that much at all so it’s not like he’s getting a set amount of rest like he was when he was even a starter.
This is not simply necessity – it’s poor planning and bull pen management.
How does poor planning justify putting a 25 year old relieve r on a pace to throw 126 innings in a season?
Dynasty I think that a hitting slump can take on a life of its own where someone is so anxious to get a hit that they press and their timing is all off.
I absolutely look for Robby to get his groove back. It’ll happen when it happens. This is no different from another player going into an extended slump. You know it happens. With Robby it just started with the beginning of the season so that make is a lot more obvious.
“What gives?”
Slump. He’s pressing. Simple as that.
Okay, would you use Ian Kennedy tonight for multiple and start Hughes instead on Saturday? He only three 23 pitches.
Alternatively, are you better off starting Kennedy on Saturday and using Hughes out of the bullpen in case you need to yank IPK early?
Can you even go back to Hughes in two days?
Why should the Yankees care what the Sox do with Floyd? They have to make decisions based on what they think is right; let the Sox do what they have to do and the Yankees do what they have to do.
There’s no one more frustrated than I am (except Phil, perhaps) that Phil, who looked to continue his trend of improvement, got squashed just when he was looking very good. However, my feeling right now is relief, relief that he won’t be pitching in that monsoon.
Are anyone else’s posts getting stuck in the filter? I can’t post tonight.
Radar says keep the lead and get thru 5 quickly.
The problem with Ross is he should be pitching more meaningful innings. This game is only 3-0, so not over by any means, but that’s the kind of innings he has pitched. Secondly, he was a starter then converted to a bullpen (1-2 inning max effort) later in the year. In spring, he was given only 1 inning relief appearances. So not only is the problem the innings, but the types of innings as well. He is being mis-used without question. we have 4 wasted BP spots looking at Bruney/Farnsy/Hawkins/Traber. He should easily be taking at least the 7th or 8th innings when Joba isn’t available. Yet he rots by pitching useless innings, and to many of them.
I don’t think Robbie is far away – he’s hit the ball hard a few times lately and been a bit unlucky.
“Ohlendorf can handle a lot of innings, he threw 155 innings in 2005 and 182 innings in 2006.”
Yeah, every fifth day, after being properly stretched out during spring training. If you think he can throw 1 inning stints all spring and then throw 3-4 innings every three days all season, you have no idea how pitching works.
“Can you tell what your opinions are regarding Cano? His average is unreal…no way a guy with his talent should be posting a .163 avg…
What gives? ”
In my opinion he just got off to a slow start but that has since compounded itself and now he is ridiculously frustrated. Just look at him after every time he pops out or grounds out, his face tells the whole story. He is trying too hard to get hits and he’s not relaxed.
How many times is Kay going to bring up Cone’s perfect game? I mean, it’s awesome and by far one of the best moments in my Yankee fandom history, bbut you don’t have to mention it every single game.
Can you use Hughes out of the bullpen on Saturay in case Girardi needs to remove IPK early? He only threw 23 pitches.
Angel I agree. Actually he has been hitting it hard. It’s just a matter of time before they start to drop in.
Cano needs to sit/rest for a couple games and have him regroup. Have Gonzales take second.
I smell a 4-3 game coming up really soon
“And look at how much rest he’s getting between these long relief stints – it’s not that much at all so it’s not like he’s getting a set amount of rest like he was when he was even a starter.”
actually, this isn’t really true.
he has had four long relief stints including tonight.
he threw the first one on 2 days rest, the second one on 4 days rest, the third one on 2 days rest (but 5 full days from his last long outing), and tonight on 4 days rest.
so, he is actually being used like a starter.
if you think of his shorter appearances as being on his
“throw day”, he is being kept in a “rotation”.
Come on Ross
A long reliever would be pretty practical right now…
” If you think he can throw 1 inning stints all spring and then throw 3-4 innings every three days all season, you have no idea how pitching works.”
right, but that’s not what they are doing.
are you kidding me !
god I’m sorry Ross for what they’re doing to you
Ohlendorf is an enigma…every time I want to believe he’s the answer to late inning relief, he dissapoints…
“Ohlendorf can handle a lot of innings, he threw 155 innings in 2005 and 182 innings in 2006.”
This makes no sense. You are making it out as if he’s being used on a regular schedule with regular rest.
It’s not only the total number of innings he’s thrown it’s how those innings are distributed and how much rest he’s getting in between.
Ohlendorf tends to throw a lot of pitches per innings as he strikes a lot of people out.
And your not considering the times he’s warmed up and not gotten into the game. That’s additional stress on his arm.
Go back to the Baltimore game and tell me how that was like starting – look at that last two innings he threw. His velocity dipped to 91-92 and his ball started drifting up in the zone. He was clearly tired. He threw 3 1/3 that day after throwing an inning 2 days before in boston and throwing a lot of pitches both days.
That is nothing like starting – nothing at all, especially when you have not been stretched out.
It stinks that it had to rain. I would of liked to see how Hughes pitched tonight..he looked good. Olendorf is too hittable when he pitches more then 1 inning.
I love that the Yankees lose this game all because it rained
what a joke
“Can you use Hughes out of the bullpen on Saturay in case Girardi needs to remove IPK early? He only threw 23 pitches.”
i don’t see why he couldn’t give an inning or two on his throw day.
Its definitely not for lack of effort. You can see he’s frustrated and wants to be hitting. He’s just gotta keep doing what he’s doing and they will start to drop. If there is one thing i’ve learned about baseball, its that luck does play a little bit into it. He’s just having bad luck at the moment.
“right, but that’s not what they are doing.”
he has 3 (3 IP stints) he’s leaving pitches up because he’s not use to this role. And soon stamina will become an issue.
I have to say. Im listening to the chicago broadcaster and i cant stand his biased cheers after a hit or anything good the sox do. I dont see the good in that. Might as well get a fan to do the play by play.
Ross needs to regroup. He can do it. Even if another run gets plated with a deep out.
GO ROSS!!!
As Olendorf is throwing batting practice now. Yanks need a long reliever Olendorf is not the answer. He is much better for 1 inning.
“Ohlendorf is an enigma…every time I want to believe he’s the answer to late inning relief, he dissapoints…”
He’s a one inning pitcher. That’s it.
He’s being horridly misused by Girardi.
This is Cashman and Girardi’s fault. Bruney should have been DLed and a long man brought up.
I might actually use IPK out of the pen tonight and start Hughes instead on Saturday. He only threw 23 pitches.
they shoulda gave Hughes a shot…he couldnt have done worse than this! >:|
“Yeah, every fifth day, after being properly stretched out during spring training. If you think he can throw 1 inning stints all spring and then throw 3-4 innings every three days all season, you have no idea how pitching works.”
Nobody is saying he will do this all season. Thus far Girardi has had no choice but to use him in these situations.
Come on, Ross.
Let nobody ever say the Chicago broadcasters are homers.
Nice, real nice.
“he has 3 (3 IP stints) he’s leaving pitches up because he’s not use to this role. And soon stamina will become an issue.”
i understand that.
and i don’t even disagree with CB.
i’m just saying he hasn’t pitched 3 innings every 3 days.
Wow. I thought for sure we had that. Okay so we’ll just get the next guys and come back and get more runs.
When the going gets rough, the rough get going.
I really do not know why Ensberg is on this team. He isn’t a 1st baseman I believe they have a $300m 3rd baseman. He strikes in EVERY single at bat. His defense is awful.
Im so sick of this the yanks are killing this kid using him in a role he is not built for. So because they dont have a long man they kill Ohlendorf. Its just a matter of time till me throws his arm out.
The Chicago broadcasters ARE homers.
what the hell happened here
………why did he go home…..
Oh to have a time machine and go back some years…this time, instead of naming Ohlendorf as the “key” prospect, pick the other pitcher the DBacks offered, some guy named Micah Owings…
Paging Darell Rasner
What are the odds Girardi bring IPK to relieve and starts Hughes instead on Saturday?
If they continue to use Ohlendorf as a long reliever they’re going to ruin his arm and irreparably harm his efficacy.
i hope the yanks bash next inning….cuz hawk kills me
Nice managing here. How long do you go with this pitcher who is basically serving it up on a tee ?…3-0 lead GONE….down 4-3 now….do they have to score 10 ?….do we have ANY OTHER PITCHERS ?….WTH ???????????????
Are the White Sox broadcasters really that biased? I have never had the pleasure (sarcasm)of hearing them announce but from what I have read on here it is pretty bad.
The Dbacks never offered Micah Owings. Put that one to bed.
Don’t ANYBODY get on Abreu. Don’t forget the field is wet.
What are the odds Girardi bring in Ian Kennedy to relieve and starts Hughes instead on Saturday?
If they continue to use Ohlendorf as a long reliever they’re going to ruin his arm and irreparably harm his efficacy.
If Abreu wasn’t soo scared of that wall it would of been caught…and it should of been caught. He didn’t want the fire on the wall to hurt him. What a lazy fart.
Hawkins is coming to the rescue!!!!
And Girardi’s mis-use of Ross is getting absolutely disgusting.
“Oh to have a time machine and go back some years…this time, instead of naming Ohlendorf as the “key†prospect, pick the other pitcher the DBacks offered, some guy named Micah Owings…”
Do we have to go through this BS again?
Owings was not, ever, on the table (he was discussed, but pulled away by the D-backs). The Yankees desparately tried to get him included.
Joe,
I’m watching the game on WGN right now, they are horribly horribly biased. I mean, obviously you’ve gotta support your team but it’s so… bad.
TAKE OUT THE PITCHER, MORON !!!
Girardi = Torre – no change in managers or ability to abuse the bull pen.
Ohlendorf = Proctor – four weeks into the season and already his arm is shot.
Very nice piece of managing Joe. Wonder if Torre bequethed his “how to ruin the bullpen” book to Girardi when he departed.
Ohlendorf’s Outings:
04/04 TB 0 0 0 1.0 0 0 0 1
04/05 TB 0 0 0 2.0 1 1 0 1
04/08 @KC 0 0 0 3.0 4 2 0 3
04/13 @BOS 0 0 0 3.0 2 0 3 1
04/16 BOS 0 0 0 1.0 2 1 2 3
04/19 @BAL 0 0 0 3.1 3 2 1 3
Ok that didn’t come out like I wanted but the points you need to see are clear. He has only pitched on back-to back days once. It went 1 IP no rest then 2 IP. Then 2 days rest and 3 IP, then 4 days rest and 3IP, 2 days rest 1 IP, 2 days rest 3.1 IP, and now he’s pitching on 4 day’s rest.
CB I think you know a ton about this team and I respect your opinion but I just think you’re making a big deal out of this. I don’t think they’re abusing him at all. Its been said many times: He was a starter, he’s pitched 180 innings in a year. But that’s not even the point. He pitched 3-4 years in college, he’s going to be 26 in a few months. There isn’t a need to baby this guy. If he was that good, he should have cracked a big league roster before he turned 25. As I type this, Ohlendorf had given up his 5th run this inning. I’m assuming you guys will blame this on his being “abused” this year. I just don’t buy it.
that fact that the yankees go into every game without a long man is unreal. with the 3 guys in the rotation that dont pitch past 3 innings and every other day its bad weather.
Well Joe, they refer to the team as “us”. The White Sox are the “good guys” and the opposing team is the “bad guys”. They are ridiculously uninformed about anything to do with the opposing team… does that answer your question?
At this juncture, I’d almost like to see Girardi bring Ian Kennedy in to pitch in relief and start Hughes instead on Saturday against Cleveland.
joe its horrible….they call the sox the “good guys”…the opposing team “the bad guys”….they say “us” alot….and say YEAHHHH like fans cheering when they score….its really annoying
When Paul Konerko got the RBI the announcer yelled “Thata boy Paulie!!”…no joke
and when Ensberg made the bad throw to home and the run scored he screamed “White Sox score…YES!!!!’
I muted MLBTV
This inning was on Cashman and Girardi.
Bruney’s hurt. Why wasn’t he DLed and a long man brought up?
Why is Ohlendorf being used in a role he ISN’T GOOD AT when he’s an excellent one-inning reliever?
Yeah Joe this is pretty bad. They get all in a tizzy when their team is doing well and when Abreu hit that grand slam I didnt even know where it was because there was dead air. That and “Hawk” has no idea what’s going on, calls all the white sox guys by their first name and gets pissy when a call doesnt go the sox way. Bad.
Foobar
The Yankees wanted Micah Micah Owings, but the DiamondBacks wouldn’t give him up, based on all reports I’ve seen. I’d have loved to have gotten Owings, but the D-Backs weren’t going to give him up for an Old Randy Johnson.
“I really do not know why Ensberg is on this team. He isn’t a 1st baseman I believe they have a $300m 3rd baseman.”
right, and A-Rod is hurt. what is your point?
i guess they should have David Wright on the bench.
“so, he is actually being used like a starter.
if you think of his shorter appearances as being on his
“throw dayâ€, he is being kept in a “rotationâ€.”
I disagree.
Here are Ohlendorf’s game logs – his innings pitched and the number of pitches he threw each outing.
It’s nothing like what he’d be doing as a “starter.”
And pitches thrown in games, especially in high leverage situations, are much, much more high stress pitches than anything a pitcher throws during a side session.
April 2 – 1 IP 9P
April 4 – 1 IP 9P
April 5 – 2 IP 20P
April 8 – 3 IP 36P
April 13 – 3IP 49P
April 16 – 1IP 32P
April 18 – 3.1 IP 48 P
Tonight Ohlendorf is over 45 pitches.
Impressive. One inning was all it took for this thread to go to hell.
Must be a record?
This sucks that Ohlendorf is having to throw so many pitches and has had to do so so many times in this still young season. At first I thought it was ok to keep him on a longer leash b/c he had always been a starter before, until recently, but he also wasn’t very good as a starter and now I can see why. He definitely shouldnt pitch all these sets of multiple innings.
sigh, and this game could have chugged along so well from the beginning if not for the weather! It blows especially for Hughes who looked really good.
I guess we will be seeing Alba. tomorrow…I haven’t heard any mentions of Scott Patterson tho, has he not been doing well in AAA?
I’m extremely frustrated by this Y*&@*^*#^$ rain delay!
This game was well in hand and I don’t care, I’m trotting Hughes out there. If GAVIN FLOYD can do it, then Phil can. You just have to have him throw a bit in cages or wherever.
Yeah, he’ll only have an inning or two left to go, but at least you’re not destroying your bullpen before a critical series.
This is absolutely STUPID the way that this roster has been handled and has put us in a lot of trouble. Traber has no place on this team and it’s killing us to carry him.
OK – they can do this – 3+ runs…definitely doable…
Foobar Owings was never offered, and your obvious lack of baseball knowledge is as easy to spot as Rosie O’Donnel in the ice cream isle.
I can’t understand why Bruney is not on the DL. He is not a superstar where he gets to sit on the bench with an injury and take up a roster spot…ie Posada, Jeter. Why play a man short for him?! Just stupid they should of called someone up right away and he wouldn’t be missed.
Miggs,
I’m in total agreement with you…
and this guy’s supposed to be the answer when Joba goes into the starting rotation?
Any chance Girardi uses Ian Kennedy in relief and starts Phil instead on Saturday?
Ohlendorf cannot continue to pitch 2+ innings. They’re going to reduce him into Scott Proctor.
BTW, Ensberg should have made one of those two plays.
Man that is bad if they are that obviously rooting for the White Sox. It’s one thing to be kind of slanted toward the team you announce for but you shouldn’t make it that obvious.
Ohlendorf just isn’t that good. He has control issues, like every other member of our ‘pen not named Joba or Mariano.
“Ok that didn’t come out like I wanted but the points you need to see are clear. He has only pitched on back-to back days once. It went 1 IP no rest then 2 IP. Then 2 days rest and 3 IP, then 4 days rest and 3IP, 2 days rest 1 IP, 2 days rest 3.1 IP, and now he’s pitching on 4 day’s rest.
CB I think you know a ton about this team and I respect your opinion but I just think you’re making a big deal out of this. I don’t think they’re abusing him at all. Its been said many times: He was a starter, he’s pitched 180 innings in a year. But that’s not even the point. He pitched 3-4 years in college, he’s going to be 26 in a few months. There isn’t a need to baby this guy. If he was that good, he should have cracked a big league roster before he turned 25. As I type this, Ohlendorf had given up his 5th run this inning. I’m assuming you guys will blame this on his being “abused†this year. I just don’t buy it.”
Ohlendorf was an awful starter. He does not have the stamina to pitch multiple innings at max effort. He is excellent when pitching at max effort, but for one inning – maximum.
He will probably need surgery this year if misused as he currently is.
DBacks said Owings was not on trade list
“I’m watching the game on WGN right now, they are horribly horribly biased. I mean, obviously you’ve gotta support your team but it’s so… bad.”
WGN!!And here iv been watching this on a 14 inch screen rather than a 55. Thanks!!
anyone just want to smack the crap out of Orlando Cabrera.
Wonderful job by Cashman putting this roster together. Three pitchers in the rotation who aren’t guaranteed to go deep into games but you decide not to have a long-man.
Brilliant!
5 runs for the White Sox? I’m glad I watched Lost. And now I get to watch the Yankee comeback.
I think Floyd is thinking about Lost too.
Yeah i’m pretty satisfied that we got a quality arm like Ollie, and a nice glove like Alberto Gonzalez for a guy who didnt wanna be here, and needed back surgery.
Folks, do not jump off the ledge!!!
Yanks will win today, thouhg bullpen will be burnt.
Tomorrow two moves will be made.
Burney on DL and Moeller DFA.
We probably will see Albaladejo and Rasner.
They have to get some one off the 40, if Rasner has to come to MLB. Any guesses who will it be?
“right, and A-Rod is hurt. what is your point?
i guess they should have David Wright on the bench.”
He is not on this team as the back up 3rd baseman. He is there now because Betemit is hurt. He made the team and a 1st baseman.
“April 2 – 1 IP 9P
April 4 – 1 IP 9P
April 5 – 2 IP 20P
April 8 – 3 IP 36P
April 13 – 3IP 49P
April 16 – 1IP 32P
April 18 – 3.1 IP 48 P”
right, starting 4/5, it’s like he was in a rotation.
4/5 is a throw day. 4/8 is a “start”. 4/13 is a “start” on 4 days rest. 4/16 is a throw day. 4/18 is a “start”. 4/23 is a “start”/.
look, i don’t disagree with you, so i don’t want to make it seem like i disagree with your larger point.
i was just pointing out that he HAS had some decent rest in between some of his longer outings.
If MLB would just grant us a day game on a travel day, this game would’ve been over hours ago and Hughes would’ve had the opportunity to pitch a full start.
If MLB would just grant us a day game on a travel day, this game would’ve been over hours ago and Hughes would’ve had the opportunity to pitch a full start.
From what I understand Bruney had an MRI and was diagnosed today. They wouldn’t have had time to get someone here in time for the game anyway even if they did DL Bruney. I’m wondering if they are not DLing Bruney for a reason. Do they expect him to heal quickly? I don’t know the answer just throwing out some possible questions.
Anyway, it was really nice hanging out with you guys. A blast gets us right back into the game. I hope the boo birds keep it at a minimum so everyone else can enjoy the rest of this game.
I’m betting Ohlendorf comes back and does us proud.
Night all.
BB
Moeller would come off the 40 if he’s DFA.
Ok Lost is over(btw-great episode). Time to focus on this.
Let’s get some runs
And I do agree he’s better in one inning situations….. I’m not arguing that. I just don’t believe he’s being abused and I surely don’t believe he has a “golden arm” that needs to be babied.
“He is not on this team as the back up 3rd baseman.”
says who? who said he would never get a few games at 3B?
i just don’t get the obsession with bashing the bench players. that’s why they are on the bench. because they have flaws.
as a bench player, Ensberg is a GREAT guy to have.
BB Fan – if they DFA Moeller, Rasner can take his place on the 40 man roster.
I don’t think Albaladejo is eligible to return because it hasn’t been 10 days since he was sent down.
Runner on 2nd, nobody down, where is he 3 outs later? On second. Not good
We can add Orlando Cabrerra to the pain in the arse list.
It’s an official game but the Yankees can still come back.
S.A., I’m in post-Lost shock. That episode had a pretty high WTF quotient. I don’t want to say anything in case people are going to watch it later. Plus, you know, this is the Yankee blog.
But WTF.
“This game was well in hand and I don’t care, I’m trotting Hughes out there. If GAVIN FLOYD can do it, then Phil can. You just have to have him throw a bit in cages or wherever.
Yeah, he’ll only have an inning or two left to go, but at least you’re not destroying your bullpen before a critical series.
This is absolutely STUPID the way that this roster has been handled and has put us in a lot of trouble. Traber has no place on this team and it’s killing us to carry him.”
MyrtleBeachFan I agree with your entire post.
If Rasner isn’t up tomorrow, I’m gonna jump.
It’s time to give this game away.
Save the arms.
Catch the plane.
Get some sleep.
Prepare for Cleveland.
The way Phil was pitching, he could have gone seven without the delay.
This game’s on the Rain G-ds. And the bullpen, because you have to blame somewone
This is getting hysterical. I mean, the announcers almost had a party when Abreu struck out. Wow, just wow.
I don’t think Albaladejo is eligible to return because it hasn’t been 10 days since he was sent down.
Can’t he come back because of injury if Bruney is DL’ed?
” I surely don’t believe he has a “golden arm†that needs to be babied.”
Once again. I have to agree with you. Helpfull. Yes. Elite. No.
“Moeller would come off the 40 if he’s DFA.”
“BB Fan – if they DFA Moeller, Rasner can take his place on the 40 man roster.”
You both are right. I just missed it!!!!!!!!! Thanks.
There is an exception to the 10 day rule. If Albie is replacing an injured player on the DL, then Albie does not need to wait 10 days.
Right on cue!
Hawkins again shows what a piece of garbage he is. Cashman great signing!!
“This game was well in hand and I don’t care, I’m trotting Hughes out there. If GAVIN FLOYD can do it, then Phil can. ”
right, except Floyd was sitting for 40 minutes, and Phil was sitting for 70+ minutes.
I hate LaTroy Hawkins.
hahahaha
Miggs I agree with some of your post. Traber is a waste, and the roster was put together just plain wrong. YOu can’t have 3-4 1B/DH types with absolutely no speed on the bench and 4 wasted bullpen slots in Hawkins/Traber/Farnsy/Bruney. BUT you can’t put Phil back out there in these conditions after the delay. and I also wouldn’t consider a 3 game set in April a “critical series”, but that’s just me. Joe has 2 seperate bullpens at this point. One in wasted games (Farnsy/Hawkins/Bruney/Traber) and those he will use in a close one. Joba/Mo. That’s it
I meant to say Letroy sorry.
“If Rasner isn’t up tomorrow, I’m gonna jump.”
Rasner threw 8 innings on what, Tuesday?
he wasn’t available tonight and might not be available tomorrow.
t minus 1 countdown before this place turns into a Hawkins whinefest.
How much longer is it going to take before we see DFA after this losers name?!!
“It’s time to give this game away.”
What, they are down by 2 runs in the bottom of the 5th inning.
Have some faith in your team.
Wow…just think of that bullpen…Joba and Mo hanging out with the rest of that staff…wonder what they talk about…
Ugh
This reminds me of that Clemens vs. Detroit game last year. You know the one in which they played until 4:30 am. That game kind of turned the tide in the season series again the Tigers, as they kick the Yanks @sses ever after that night.
well this game was great til it rained. im done watching i think i’ll go play some Gran Turismo 5 Prologue on PS3 and hope the final score is in our favor later…i cant watch the relievers pitch 4 innings
This game was well in hand and I don’t care, I’m trotting Hughes out there. If GAVIN FLOYD can do it, then Phil can. â€
right, except Floyd was sitting for 40 minutes, and Phil was sitting for 70+ minutes.
experts….wow.
“I don’t think Albaladejo is eligible to return because it hasn’t been 10 days since he was sent down.”
When a player from ML team is DLed, the 10 day limit will not apply.
Giambi can run-and fast too!
Phil was doing great till the rain came. Seems like the weather is his biggest enemy so far
That HR is a good reason to boo Hawkins…
“It’s time to give this game away.
Save the arms.
Catch the plane.
Get some sleep.
Prepare for Cleveland.”
Are you joking? Do you call yourself a Yankee fan? At the time of that post we were down 2 runs in the 5th inning. You’re throwing in the towel? That’s embarassing.
lol wow
Girardi doesn’t want to risk Hughes health and I can’t blame him for that. Hughes is a big part of the future of this franchise.
If Hughes came up lame tonight (whether his injury was related to the rain delay or not), he’d get massacred in the media and blogosphere.
It’s better to lose him for one game than risking serious injury to the future of the franchise.
However as much as I hate LaTroy, I think it was a better move by Cash to sign him to a 1 yr deal than signing another below average reliever to a 3 or 4 year deal. I’m still hoping the young arms will basically phase Hawkins out by the end of the season…don’t know whether that is definitely possible or not, but it’d be nice!
Any people who wanted Hughes to come back after the rain delay should ask Josh Johnson if it was a good move by Girardi to put him back into a game after a rain delay.
He could probably tell you all about his TJ rehab.
@everyone who doesn’t like the the White Sox announcers
I am a huge yankee fan and I love these guys. Kenny Harrelson has been my favorite announcer for a long time. I think all announcers should be homers. Nothing pisses me off more than to have the game on YES on in the background and here Michael Kay screaming at the top of his lungs “IT IS HIGH! IT IS FAR! IT IS GONE!” and then thinking, sweet, who hit that? “See Ya! A 3-run home run for David Ortiz!”. I would much rather listen to announcers who are homers, even if it is the other teams announcers.
I’m beginning to think Cashman is on vacation somewhere. Not DLing Bruney, 3 catchers, 8 first basemen…at least out to lunch.
My whinefest timeframe was apparently optimistic, lol.
Over and out time, I think.
WE NEED MORE PITCHING!!!!!
yeah!!
Guiseppe,
True…Joe G. is in a tough spot any way you look at it…
now you stop the ball Morgan
“Rasner threw 8 innings on what, Tuesday?
he wasn’t available tonight and might not be available tomorrow.”
Good point.
They will wait until Saturday or get someone for just one day tomorrow and then bring Rasner on Saturday.
“I’m beginning to think Cashman is on vacation somewhere. Not DLing Bruney, 3 catchers, 8 first basemen…at least out to lunch.”
complaining about the 3 catchers is just ridiculous.
Big G showing off that gold glove….
morgan u were supposed to do that last inning
It’s garbage time, and Traber is next on the list after Hawkins…
Paul – to each their own I guess, but like I said I don’t find their homerism endearing at all. Its unprofessional and hokey. I don’t care one bit for MK either but I prefer some objectivity, the White Sox announcers have absolutely none. They’re ill-informed too.
I’m not sure that Paul O’Neill got Cone’s Cheney/Obama reference. Is it possible that they don’t always operate on the same intellectual level?
jeez. too bad Ohlendorf had a rough outing there. It really, really friggin sucks that Hughes looked so good through 2 and the EFFING rain ruined it. this sucks. better hope the offense pulls through…
Wow – guy has been wild all game, so let’s start swinging at the first pitch. w00t.
or not.
Giambi is actually heating up.
I think they need to DFA everybody not named Jason Giambi and Joba Chamberlain. It’s going to be the J & J show from now on.
The baseball gods just miracled Giambi to second…
Respect the Giambino!!!
Melky!!!! Melky!!!!!
With the proviso that making roster moves based on the rain is pretty much impossible, this may be the first Cashman loss of the year (Nomaas, take note).
I say that while hoping the Yanks come back (MELKY JUST HIS A HR AFTER GIAMBI’S DOUBLE!!!), but the fact is that Cashman really should have DL’ed Bruney and brought an extra arm for the pen (Rassner wasn’t available to pitch today anyway, so I’m not that upset about him not being around, especially with the 3 catchers situation).
The Melkman delivers, 6-5 Sox.
That’s the Melky way!!!
What da ya say now Heckler?
Melky!!! in the clutch.
Ok, Melky can stay too.
But the Melky heckler has to go.
Nick-
I’m not watching the game, what was the Cheney/Obama reference?
MELKY!!!!
I think he’s going to be an All Star by age 27.
Melky comes to win every day.
someone needs to deck that stupid Melky stalker in the face.
Did anyone else hear the annoying fan yelling Melky again?! Pretty sure it’s the same guy. I’m watching the CWS broadcast unfortunately.
Who said this game was over? You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Oh, and Jeter. J & J & J & Melky.
Oh, and Mo! Mo is pretty good!
Melky!
Put Melky in the Hall!
wow i just said before that swing… “id love for melky to hit a 2 run shot for the melky heckler”
man I’d like to deck that moron that is following Melky.
Is it me or is having Hughes and Ohlendorf pitch in the majors with 2 big league quality pitches asking a bit much? Seriously, shouldn’t these guys be in the minors learning a 3rd pitch? Especially Hughes, if he is going to be expected to pitch 7 innings a night?
Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for tax evasion. I wonder what will happen to Jeter.
It may be Krazy Kyle time…
We’re back in business…
I swear I’d rather go to the dentist than listen to Paul O’Neil perpetually insipid drivel. Any contributor to this blog would be a pleasure to listen to, by comparison.
If Girardi would of used his start the bullpen and then pitch the starter..it would of actually worked in this game.
and that Homer that Hawkins gave up, that was OK…right ?….If you see Troy again next inning….the odds are in favor that he gives up at least one more run…GREAT ARM in the bullpen ?…he is a below average if not BAD ARM…..but keep trotting him out there…maybe the Yankees can put a 5 spot on the board and he’ll get the win, right ?
HAWKINS is horrible i hate him so much. I hated farns when he was the worst player on the team but whatever if hes the worst i can deal. Now farns sucks at times and he isnt even the worst HAWKINS is. Hawkins is a black farnsworth
hey im trying to get the WCBS coverage of the game, I cant watch it online. I am at school at Villanova, anyone know if a philly affiliate is carrying the game?
MLB wont let me do gameday audio AND MLB TV….they should…these chicago broadcasters are awful
Wow they have really hit the bottom of the barrel if they are doing a Centerstage with Tony Danza come on there hasto be someone more deserving and more interesting than him.
Yeah Melky!
They’re not dead yet.
Since due to the bad schedule, they’ll be getting in so late in Cleveland. It would be nice for them to get in with a come back victory though.
Too bad Hughes couldn’t finish his good start, but I think he’ll take that into his next start. Only 23 picthes for 2 innings. Good sign for him!
Buddy, I missed the beginning of it, but O’Neill and Cone were BSing about people coming up to them and saying they were related to them (and I think they were joking about people wearing player jerseys with names? I don’t know) and they went off on a little tangent about someone wearing a Borowski jersey.
And then Cone said “If Dick Cheney and Barrack Obama can be related, I’ll believe anything.”
I think the yanks should DFA Meoller and sign the melky heckler to sit behind home plate at every game
kill schill, if you ever hear me talk you may have to alter that statement.
Can Tony Danza play 1st base?
Coming into this game Melky had the 5th highest OPS of any center fielder in the AL.
Coming into this game he also had the 5 th highest zone rating of any center fielder in the AL.
None of the 4 CF with a higher OPS had a higher zone rating than Melky did.
None of the 4 CF with a higher zone rating had a OPS.
Taking both offense and defense together you could argue that Melky has been the most balanced AL CF so far this year.
Not saying this is going to continue as its only been 20 games – but over the games that have been played so far Melky has been one of the best CF in the league.
And we have ourselves a game…come on team, score a couple more and we can win this. 3 innings is plenty of time.
they just have to be patient…get a few walks….chicagos pitching doesnt scare me much
come on Yankees! Let’s go!
CB,
Good info…yes, I think we’re seeing the emergence of a better CF than a lot of people thought…
I don’t think mel would like hat Kay just said re: Lakers and Celtics.
Time to put the game out of reach with Kyle the psycho coming in to pitch….
“Is it me or is having Hughes and Ohlendorf pitch in the majors with 2 big league quality pitches asking a bit much? Seriously, shouldn’t these guys be in the minors learning a 3rd pitch? Especially Hughes, if he is going to be expected to pitch 7 innings a night?”
Hughes has a solid third pitch – a change up. We haven’t seen it this season, but it’s above average.
Ohlendorf is a reliever. A one inning reliever. He doesn’t need a third pitch. He does if he’s going to continue to be misused.
cc,
nothing. Jeter reached an agreement with the state gov. He paid .All is well that ends well. troll
There’s a reason we didn’t trade Melky for Santana.
can ARod pinch hit tonight?
Godzilla’s about to strike Chicago!
“Do we have to go through this BS again?
Owings was not, ever, on the table (he was discussed, but pulled away by the D-backs). The Yankees desparately tried to get him included.”
Do we have to go through this BS again indeed.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05.....htm?page=0
http://www.eastvalleytribune.c.....=STY-92142
Owings could’ve been had if the Yanks threw in some more millions, but they opted for Ohlie for free.
Of course, BS believer can believe the DBack GM about his kept saying no story after the trade was done.
Funny thing about Ohlendorf, he’s becoming a blog favorite, but his recent outtings have been pretty mediocre. I don’t know how much of that is the misuse, but I wonder if he has any options left?
“Funny thing about Ohlendorf, he’s becoming a blog favorite, but his recent outtings have been pretty mediocre. I don’t know how much of that is the misuse, but I wonder if he has any options left?”
How well does he do in one inning stints?
Pretty well.
How well does he do in his second and third innings?
Very poorly.
“Do we have to go through this BS again?
Owings was not, ever, on the table (he was discussed, but pulled away by the D-backs). The Yankees desparately tried to get him included.”
Do we have to go through this BS again indeed.
http://www.nypost.com /seven/05062007/sports/yankees/mound_dogged_yankees_joel_sherman.htm?page=0
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com /story/92142?source=rss&dest=STY-92142
Owings could’ve been had if the Yanks threw in some more millions, but they opted for Ohlie for free.
@Angel April 24th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
“I don’t find their homerism endearing at all. Its unprofessional and hokey.”
That’s exactly it, I’m so tired of professional announcers like Jon Miller and Joe Morgan. Give me an informal, biased crew and I’m happy. The discussion is always more real and interesting.
It’s like this blog. I would say a lot of the stuff Peter says is “unprofessional”. You would never here Steve Phillips on baseball tonight calling Farnsworth “Krazy Kyle”, but that’s why we all like this blog. It has really great information and a real personality. None of us want to here the boring, polished crap put out by the “professional” media.
“the odds are in favor that he gives up at least one more run…”
Go fig, the more often than not clause failed that time
why isnt a-rod pinch hitting for ensberg? joe said he probably could, on mike and the mad dog this afternoon.
Jeff NJ, if we all of a sudden you took Mo or at this point even Joba and threw him in a starting role he would struggle because they haven’t been properly stretched out or conditioned to pitch in that role. We have abused Ohlendorf the first 3 weeks of the season in a role he is not meant for.
Thanks Nick.
A little off topic, you ever go to that bar on Hyde that has a neon Yankee sign in the window? BTW, I live in SF & have driven by it a # of times.
should be 1-1, not 0-2
I doubt that Rebecca. I’ve read your blog. You’re far too literate for me not to appreciate what you have to say, whatever your voice may sound like. I’d probably find your commentary edifying.
I can’t believe Paul O’Neill and Molly O’Neill are siblings.
Why isn’t Posada hitting for Ensberg?
Ok we’ll blame the misuse. I like Ohlendorf too. Cash better get some reinforcements to meet the team in Cleveland. Two relievers and Shelley would be fine.
Ohlendorf will be effective. They have to start using him correctly however, limiting him to an inning or two an appearance instead of a quasi-long reliever.
two lefties are pitching, they need to call shelly up!
Yah Morgan!
I guess that’s why Arod or Matsui aren’t hitting for Ensberg.
Morgan!!
Game on!
Nice, Ensberg! Another nail in Betimit’s coffin.
Buddy: don’t know what bar you that is. What part of town are you in? I’m in the Upper Haight.
way to go ensberg, yet again joe is smarter then all of us..
Nice Morgan. He just redeemed himself for those two plays at 3rd in the 3rd inning. It’d be great to see Cano break out here.
atta boy Morgan!
Ensberg finally got a big hit after Ozzie walked Giambl twice yesterday to get to him and Matsui today. I still would have pinch hit for him with Posada.
Come on, Giambino!!!
THE POPE STRIKES BACK!!!!!
Ozzie isn’t worried he knows Farns. is coming in to help the W.Sox break the tie.
How much did they pay Linebrink?
lets go yankees!!
I wasnt suggesting ARod pinch hit now, but maybe at some point tonight.
I live in the Richmond district. It’s on Hyde right near Bush.
Can the Big G come through again?
I’m predicting a walk here.
I don’t want the other end of the spectrum either though, with “good guys” and “bad guys” – like kids watching a saturday morning cartoon. That is just as aggravating as I agree Morgan and Miller can be.
As for Steve Phillips, you’d never hear him saying anything remotely interesting or worth repeating.. not even on accident.
Corey,
Funny!
4yrs/19M
he’s been pretty good up to this point. still a risky signing.
damn you Jason
Good grief Jason.
“that’s ball 5 Linebrink, you mutt!” – did anyone else hear that? haha
Who’s throwing bottom of the 7th?
Watching in bed. Night all. That is, if Farnsworth doesn’t keep me up all night from another bad outing.
kyle…HR coming right up
giambi sucks but we tied it!
See THIS is where Ohlendorf needs to be used !
Nice at bat with the bases loaded there by Giambi.
If he were making the same money as Frank Thomas you better believe the Yankees would cut him by now. Can’t hit for average, horrendous in the field and take away Mike Timlin’s meatballs and he hasn’t done anything.
He’s finished, finito. Meanwhile, Shelley Duncan hit another homerun at Scranton tonight. Come on down…
Oh boy. Krazy Kyle time.
Lets see how many pitches it takes for the psycho to give the runs right back…
Buddy, we should organize a LoHud Bay Area chapter outing to a Yankees/A’s game. I think there are some others.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
Surprised he didn’t go to Joba here.
i gotta say every time someone says “Krazy Kyle” I chuckle a little bit….cuz its the perfect, PERFECT nickname
Farnsworthless a la cargaaaaa!!!!
so kyle is in you can bet well be down at least one run in the 8th
oh man, here comes Krazy Kyle, smoke em if you got em people.
krazy kyle. I thought he was suspended.
Let’s hope Farnsy doesn’t serve up the go ahead run in this inning and we can get a run in the eighth. Ball then goe’s to Joba and then Mo.
Wishful thinking!?
Hey, have some faith. Don’t jinx the guy,,,,,, yet.
Am I the only one worried Ohlie will be the next Proctor?
wow look at flashback farnsworth
with so many young arms in our system it would be nice to see the young kids out there. as unproven as they may be, i don’t know many yankee fans feeling good when bruney/farnsworth come in to the game
It’s not like Farns was going to have a perfect inning.
yeah, this might not be pretty.
Would Susan please stop referencing the Ice Cream and the Candy Bars???
There’s a base hit…now comes the HR.
KYLE!!!! Que K
Ok, now you can bit%ch about him.
Kyle wears his sunglasses at night, so he can so he can…throw some balls in places they shouldnt be
Just got in. Don’t even have to go through the comments to know that there was displeasure of Ohlendorf being used as a long-man.
Come on Farnsworth. We need you to come through.
molina is money!!!!
no TGFizeek, me SJ, CB, whozat, the ones that pay attention to every pitchers use notices that Ohlendorf is being abused.
Nice tag Cano!
I’m actually scared to watch him pitch
ohhhhhh… is it bad of me that i was hoping for that bat to hit farns and put him on the dl
Nice throw by Molina…Psycho gets hurt.
I’m tracking the game with yahoo fantasy stat tracker. I’ve been stuck on swisher up, one out. anything change?
You can’t just go to Joba here. You can’t just keep throwing the same few relievers out there all of the time.
The bull pen has thrown almost 40% of all the innings the team has thrown this year – that is ridiculous.
Given that if a guy is on the roster he has to be used. It’s either that or you wind up abusing guys.
And Joba is in the pen right now to protect his arm not to overuse it.
The Cleveland series is going to be a tough one. With the game tied on the road if you use Joba here you could limit his availability for the next series.
They’ve already taken 2 out of 3 in this series.
If the pen is going to throw this many innings the innings have to be spread out.
That’s why who is in the pen is so important as is making sure those guys are in the right roles.
If the pen is going to throw 30-40% of the innings even for a short period of time you can’t afford to have anyone who isn’t going to pitch because they can’t be trusted.
or ill take slipping on the mound
if that wasnt a strike i dont know what is
It’s wrong to hope that Farns is injured.
It’s wrong to hope that Farns is injured.
It’s wrong to hope that Farns is injured.
lets’ get some runs!!! White Sox bullpen sucks.
Did Farnsworth just hurt himself landing on that mound?
But it’s ok to hope that Guiseppe Franco gets injured.
Nice inning by Kyle. Did something just happen to him? I looked away during that last pitch and it looked as though he was limping off the mound.
wow. I don’t know what to say. The game is still tied up
farnsworth should slip more often…he is far more accurate when falling down….i think dave eiland should work on that with him
yes guiseppe needs to go
If the game stays tied the Yanks have no one to pitch the 8th inning..I guess Joba in a tied game..
If MLB would just grant us a day game, we wouldn’t be playing in these conditions, Hughes could’ve pitched a full start, Farnsworth wouldn’t have slipped on the mound, Susan would stop talking about the Ice Cream and Candy Bars.
Molina’s deal with the devil must have expired, he can’t buy a hit tonight.
I saw George Kontos at Trenton tonight. He has very good stuff and had his best start of the year goign 6.1 innings striking out 6, walking one and only allowing 1 run on a homerun hanging slider. He is big time strikeout pitcher and if he is able to limit his walks look out for him.
wow i love that bias splitscreen crying..even the NESN guys dont do that
of course joba has to come in, kid can’t ever get a night off…that bases loaded choke by giambi looms large
does anyone like our broadcast team… i know they arent as bad as others and i guess i would get tired of listening to anyone for 3 1/2 hrs but paul o’neill and kay really annoy me. I miss the days of kaat and kenny singleton… i dont mind the mets guys either i think cohen darling and hernndez are pretty good
they are still griping about that ball to Ensberg!
Farnsworth can go 2 in this circumstance.
Tie game, no Bruney. Got to be one more inning of kraziness.
Ladies, what do we think of Kyle’s hair? I’m not feeling it.
Nick-
Sounds like a good idea. I have tix for June 12th.
I just got some tix to see the Yanks & Rays in Tampa for face value, 15 rows off the field from ebay.
I hope it’s Joba. Best hitters in the WhiteSox lineup should go down to our 2nd best relief pitcher.
Why does YES even have a radar gun if it’s so far off? Damn
The Indians have not worn out their bullpen today with the doubleheader as of now.
wow they’re bringing in Joba.
I really am surprised that he is pitching Joba in a tied game. He jsut got them 5 outs the other day. But Bruney the rain and Bruney I walk the bases loaded really left them hanging. Yanks better hope this doesn’t go extra innings.
Oookaaay. Guess I was wrong. Are we stretching out Joba in a tie game?
nice buddy….
I have tix to yanks / rays at tropicana in may….section 117 i believe….just behind the dugout and next to arod
Then i have tix to red sox/yanks in the bronx on July 3rd, aug 26th, aug 27th…and yanks/angels in bronx aug 3rd :]
Bullpen is basically empty except Traber and Mo. Why not Joba in a tie game?
so, joba for 2 innings and then…. traber for 1? then who?
Farnsworth+2 innings=3 runs
if it goes that far i mean
Looks wise, Kyle doesn’t do much for me at all. But I gotta say I prefer the “do” now, to the buzzcut. Which is kinda a lesser of two evils preference, lol.
Nasty! Just Nasty!
It’s the 8th inning people, even though it’s tied now does not mean this game is not ending in regulation.
kid is nasty
dont worry well get some runs next inning we got melk man up next inning he musta been drinking a lot of protein shakes this winter
Can’t blame Giambi for not converting that bases loaded situation. He’s had a good offensive game tonight regardless. If ya gotta blame it on something, blame it on the rain.
milli vanilli blamed it on the rain
I don’t like them throwing Joba here yet again, especially with the game tied on the road.
If Farnsworth wasn’t hurt he should have thrown another inning.
If he was hurt I would have put Traber into the game and left him in. If he blows the game so be it. If he gets it to Mo that’s fine.
And now Joba is having trouble on that wet mound.
filthy
Nasty!!!!
Why was his fastball only 90 today?
Joba better be only pitching 1 inning today. Hopefully the Yanks score a run in the top of the 9th so Girardi doesn’t even have to think about sending him out there again.
Ok, then blame it on the Ice Cream and Candy Bars.
15 pitches by Joba, at this rate he could go 3.
he’s only 22. amazing.
take the lead get Joba the win and Mo to close, sounds good, eh?
quick inning…he could go one more.
2-3-4 coming up top of the ninth.
CB, I usually agree with ya, but facing the heart of there order (minus Dye due to injury) you have to use Joba there. I don’t see him going back out for a second inning though. Only so many bullets in the arm (131 innings left in that arm this year).
can you say the real deal?
Jeter needs to steal here
I think you will see us put a play on here. hit and run/steal something. We gotta be agressive in this situation.
Yeah! Jete solid hit up the middle.
Now you gotta send him
I think hit and run if we get a 2-1 or 3-1 count. Don’t forget, wet field slow track
Joba didn’t pitch yesterday. He’s thrown 15 pitches today. Can we not impose blog Joba rules? The bullpen is thin, and he is healthy and good. He can certainly pitch another inning if it is still tied. If they are winning then it’s Mo.
Nobody up in the Yankee bullpen.
Why do I have a feeling that Jeter will never leave 1st base.
“I don’t like them throwing Joba here yet again, especially with the game tied on the road. ”
CB, you are the man, but Joba had thrown like 8 innings. this is his 9th inning of the year.
i am with you on Ohlendorf, but Joba has not been overworked at all.
Tomorrow’s Headline:
GODZILLA ATTACKS CHICAGO!
“I don’t see him going back out for a second inning though.”
I’m not so sure. I certainly hope not but it wouldn’t surprise me if Girardi sent him out for another inning.
That’s part of the reason I didn’t want to see him in the 8th.
Because thats just how you think?
NJ Jeff, 130 innings left in that arm this year. That counts the couple of starts in AAA to get stretched out.
Anyone see this Cliff Lee kid in Cleveland? They don’t even need CC, I’m glad we’ll miss him.
Jeter acts like he is still nursing his quad.
He does..it would be real sweet if Arod was available to pinch hit. Or even Posada..2 hits in 1 night is not happening for Ensberg
Ozzie Guillen talks like he WANTS to be nursing Jeter’s quad.
girardi is going to pinch hit here right?
wild game. going late too thanks to the rain. watching this in bed on my laptop, girlfriend asleep. and i have to get up in 6 hours. let’s get some runs Yanks the last thing we need is extras!
i dont know if u pinch hit posada b/c he is slow and u dont want a double play. if a-rod can hit, this would be the spot
Posada please no DP here.
i told u a double play could happen!
Who plays 3B?
ugh. that was really uncool Jorge.
Yeah, thanks for bringing up the DP.
Honest to God.
Well that was the Posada special at his best. It is pathetic how many DP’s he hits into.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
So there’s the DP. Joba has to pitch at least one more. You don’t blow out the entire bullpen to concede the game in the ninth. Aside from that, if it goes 12-13, you need Traber late. The man has thrown 9 innings- he can handle it
sigh…….
Surprised we werent’ a little more agressive with a leadoff hit, speedy runner, and Abreu in a 2-1 count. Thin bullpen/ long game/ late night. Shocked we didn’t put a play on there. Maybe Jeter is still a little sore. That was not good Jorge.
I think this was arod’s spot to pinch hit in, then be replaced by Gonzalez. Now, Posada can’t pinch hit and come in for Molina when that spot comes up.
i hate when yankee fans attempt to predict negativity in upcoming at-bats!
Let’s take it easy on him…he did hit 3 doubles yesterday…
“130 innings left in that arm this year. That counts the couple of starts in AAA to get stretched out.”
Ok so he’ll convert to the rotation one week later. The bullpen is thin right now. You have to try and win any game within reach.
hmmm,
i know he hasn’t thrown many total innings this year but since he came back from his father’s illness he’s been put into 4 of their 6 games I believe.
It’s not just the total innings it’s their distribution.
My main concern is the upcoming Cleveland series and his availability for that series.
And quite honestly, after that last game where he went out for a second inning up 5 runs – that just sent a bad sign.
No one is up in the yankees pen right now so unless they score then he’s going to pitch the 9th.
So he pitched two days ago – went two innings.
Two innings tonight in a game they could lose.
When will Girardi call on him in the Cleveland series? Will he give him another two games off?
But what do I know? Maybe Arod can’t even run yet.
“What is with the Peter Gammon discussion?”
Over the past couple weeks, from time to time, SJ has provided a very interesting, detailed, and balanced discussion of Gammons — a kind of running commentary on the man’s work and career. He hasn’t ripped Gammons, in fact he’s frequently complimented his work, his character and his integrity. He has also criticized him, which would only peturb someone who thinks Gammons is above criticism. As for Farnsworth, the most notable point touched on in this thread, at 8:02, is the double-standard by Bob Watson in punishing Farns and not punishing Sean Green in similar circumstances — with the Farns suspension likely or at least arguably driven by the stink Gammons made on ESPN.
Although you didn’t name a specific poster, your remarks seemed in whole or in part directed at SJ — if so, an unwarranted slap, in my opinion.
Ugh DP…
But it’s ok. It’s JOBA TIME. We still have Mo, they’re already using their closer.
Jeff NJ,
Agree…what choice is there…
it would be great to win this game but it would suck to see this go on until 1:30 am or later. at least cleveland is playing late too and had a double header today.
His slider is good but his fastball is not up to his normal 97 speed.
One other thing- you have to assume you are getting a new arm when Bruney gets DL’d tomorrow. Joba ultimately needs to be stretched out a bit. 2 innings in 2 of 3 games seems reasonable. Nothing to say you don’t get 7 from Pettitte tomorrow.
hawk harrelson..god. what else is there to say about this guy?
STRETCH! STRETCH! ass. melky was planted waiting for it to go into his glove and he still thinks it might go out.
oh my god…strike 3.
He is fatigued though- just got to survive a bit more.
uh oh.
Joba is definitely going to need the next 2 games off. His stuff is not even close to what it was the last inning. But it usually is that way the 2nd inning.
Radar gun must be off
Feels a little bit like watching Drago get worned down by Rocky.
Game.
And its done.
cleveland’s starter (lee) pitched a shutout so they’re bullpen didn’t get as much wear as I was hoping for
well that sucks. tough break with the rain knocking out Hughes. he looked good.
He’s pitched too much recently. Out of gas.
Well it was over in regulation, unfortunately. Ok Cashman, time to get to work. Here is your to do list:
DFA Moeller
DL Bruney
Send to AAA Ohlendorf
Call Up Duncan, Albaledejo and Rasner.
long night for the boys. get some sleep, and hope Pettite goes at least 7 tomorrow.
Too bad Ohlendorf had a bad outing. Too bad Phils start was ruinied by rain. Thank goodness it didn’t end up going to extra innings.
who’s going for Cleveland tomorrow? Byrd?
Joba pitching 2 innings was a bad decision. He had nothing that inning, and he hung 3 curveballs. Joba is a 1 inning pitcher and every time he pitches 2 he has nothing for the 2nd. Since he puts soo much energy into the 1st inning. He is being over used and not just because he gave up a run. It looked like he was pitching on fumes.
Move Joba to the rotation, he can’t handle the 9th inning pressure
I don’t know what to say. How many times have two balls ever been hit that hard off of Joba in one inning?
This is why you can’t just say well who else do we have, the bull pen is thin, we have to win this April game.
That was just not the same Joba Chamberlain. It just wasn’t.
And now you’ve lost the game and used him up for 2 games in the cleveland series.
Unless, of course, Girardi feels decides he has to win right now and decides to not even give Joba two days of rest.
It’ll be interesting to see how much long term discipline Girardi has with Joba.
Well that sucked.
Jeff NJ, why exactly are you sending Ohlendorf to AAA?
Oh well, it wasn’t in the cards. Mother nature, third catchers, and broken feet working against us.
Don’t get too upset and over-analyze, guys.
Take it easy.
can anybody tell me why girardi didnt walk crede? dont understand… who does?
Joba tried, they were just ready to get the game over with. Can’t blame it them at all. I hate that Phil didn’t get to go longer, but Joe G. had to protect him. Hope people can respect him and not jump all over his judgements. Hope you all get plenty of rest- talk to yall tomorrow night
why was joba going to his curve that inning. all it did was hang in the zone and get cruched. why even throw that pitch just stupid really annoying game hard to lose that one…plus it kills the bullpen going into a hard weekend series
Just got home from getting dinner.
DFA Joba.
Anyone who want Joba out of the pen is crazy. His stuff was clearly worse the second inning there. He needs a slow, drawn out schedule to get him used to going longer. He may have used to do it, but right now, he looked whipped in that second inning. It could have been the weather though..being damp and all there.
well i’m probably almost as tired as the Yanks so i’m gonna hit the sack. gotta get those injins tomorrow. hopefully the yankees play them the way they did in the regular season last year and not the way they did in the post season. night all.
Joba threw 3 straight 97 mph fastballs to Crede before he hung a curve. His ‘stuff’ was not gone from fatigue. He was poorly placing his third best pitch.
I hope tonight shut up everyone who thinks Joba needs to be in the bullpen.
He is not god. He is very hittable. He is no Mo and never will be, but as a starter he can be something amazing. He doesn’t have a single unhittable pitch, but multiple tools to use to fool hitters and keep them off balance.
He gave up a run tonight. We lost the game. If he had started it (and it didn’t rain), we may have won.
But we certainly didn’t win with him in the bullpen.
Paulie,C’mon bro. You can’t honestly think think they are just gonna one day go “Joba go give us 7 strong”. He WILL go down to AAA and he will get stretched out appropriately. He will not go max effort EVERY pitch. Don’t try that weak ass argument. Baseball people with a helluva lot more knowledge than you and I will make sure he is ready to start when the time comes.
they had there chances. the Jorge DP was classic..
as Peter said Dl Bruney and call up another arm.. The Hughes notcome out was a no brainer, anyone who thinks differently is a moron.
the Yanks had there chances for runs but did not close the deal. IS Giambi the least mobile proffessional athlete?????
Joba went for the 2nd inning but did not throw many pitches in the 8th, Girardi had no choice…
the biggest disappointment after 21 games is Cano, the guy lunges at every pitch he looks terrible at the plate.. He shows no patience got a walk because the guy missed the plate by 3 feet.
send down or I guess he has no more options the 3rd catcher and bring up Duncan, add an arm for BruneyNOW..Why do they wait they know Bruney is hurt…
Joba’s a starter trying to pitch almost every other day. When that happens he looks tired because he’s really a starter. I still don’t think he’s used to being used like this. It happened in the playoffs too last year. He pitched 2 games in 3 nights and had nothing for the third game he pitched in.
He needs to be in the rotation.
“Anyone who want Joba out of the pen is crazy. His stuff was clearly worse the second inning there. ”
That is nonesense. He’s pitched two inning stints many times and been dominant.
He had a bad inning. He’s gotten up and thrown/ warmed up in 4 of their last 6 games. So even though he hasn’t thrown a ton of total innings this year since he’s gotten back from his father’s illness he’s gotten used much more often.
I’m not sure why this is so hard to understand – being called inot 4 out of 6 games for a relief pitcher is high frequency of usage in a short span. Now one of those games was the baltimore rain delay so he didn’t pitch in the actual game but he did wind up warming up completely.
As a starter Joba threw 97-98 in the seventh innings of his starts.
But again, the schedule and patterns of use for a relief pitcher are different.
Last year the Joba rules were in place and he had no trouble pitching 2 innings in a row. No trouble in the second inning what so ever.
It’s a bad inning – it happenned.
It’s unfortunate that now he should not be available for the next couple of games in cleveland.
Cash has really made a serious blunder in terms of the roster so far. There’s no excuse for no DLing Bruney before tonights game and getting a fresh arm up here. Esp. with the threat of weather you have to anticipate possibly losing Hughes early because of weather. Once again we’re caught without a long man. The entire pen is basically spent because of this, it’s just inexcusable. You can’t carry three catchers. I realize Posada may have a set back, but you just can’t do it. Cash better do something tomorrow.
people need to relax i love the yanks just as much as anyone but they arent winning a ws this year. its about the farm system its about the 3 young starters on this team and hoping they get better with each start. Its about watching the last of the big G and praying we get Tex in the off season.
This is two years in a row that they’ve started the season without a long reliever. Need to bring up one and Duncan.
Tonight’s loss was on the GM in my opinion.
Complete mismanagement of a roster.
I swear to God, I sit here and wonder how Cashman still has a job.
If he didn’t luck out in the draft and get Joba he would not be here.
He knew Bruney was injured, so where the heck was his replacement when we needed him?
Why is Ohlendorf being burned out?
We’re carrying 3 catchers because we’re afraid of losing Moeller?
This is insane and I hope Hank and Hal are taking enough of an active interest to ask their GM what he is thinking because from here, he’s managing this roster out of fear.
It looks like he’s sitting in the corner with his eyes closed and his fingers in his ears.
He better fix this obvious glaring mismanagement soon or the NY media will throw him on the fire.
the biggest positive so far has been Melky. He is not a superstar but a good ballplayer if he can hit 20 HR’s and do everything else like he has he is a very good ballplayer.
they need to carry only 2 catchers, add duncan and when Betemit is back I say trade him and keep Gonzalez up..they are jsut to slow and station to station and I hate that..
they need to DL Bruney…the Jorge DP was classic killer… anything but a DP ……….
I just want to say one more thing. Look at how the Red Sox are managing their roster.
They are calling up and sending down players day to day in order to keep the team fresh and healthy in any situation.
Hansen comes up, helps the pen and goes down for Masterson, who comes up helps the rotation and goes down for Corey to help the pen.
Why Brian Cashman can’t have enough foresight to manage this roster effectively is beyond me.
You guys are whining Joba has 9 innings pitched on the yr.. You guys are whining for overuse…..
he pitched 1 2/3 innings on tuesday off weds and pitched today…he simply had a bad outing, it happens….
G love yeah Hansen helped the sux by giving up the winning HR yesterday.. Also the sux are at home and Pawtucket is 1 hour away the Yanks are on the road….
the need to DFA the 3rd string cathcer (I forget his name) and add a body..
“He knew Bruney was injured, so where the heck was his replacement when we needed him?”
Pennsylvania is a long trip, there would be little to no chance to get a pitcher to Chicago by the time the game was played. Besides, both Rasner and Igawa would not pitch today anyway, Karstens is on the DL, Ramirez has pitched two days in a row, and Britton pitched yesterday. Options were just not available today.
“We’re carrying 3 catchers because we’re afraid of losing Moeller?”
There is no third catcher on the 40-man roster. If Jorge or Jose was hurt still, or had a setback, then there would be no one left to turn to. Cervilli is the only other option on the 40-man, and he has a broken wrist. You can understand why NY is gun shy about losing a catcher when they are uncertain about the health of the starting two.
We’re also stuck with Giambi at first until Rodriguez is healthy and the catching situation can be sorted out. Cashman is doing the best he can. Injuries happen. Two injured catchers just made roster problems seem worse.
“What I’m talking about, is the fact that Joba clearly does not belong in the bullpen. He is not Mariano Rivera.
So many people want him to close so that he can replace Mo for years to come. There is no guarantee that what we’ve seen for less than 50 innings will last. There is no guarantee that he remains as dominant as he has been.
Nobody will EVER be Mariano Rivera. Including Joba. He’s much more hittable than Mo’s cutter. Much more.
The horizon as a starter has a much brighter possible future and it’s something that we need much more immediately than a closer. Closers emerge out of good starting pitching performances. Without good starting pitching keeping you in the lead, who needs a closer?”
So after Mariano Rivera, we should retire the role of closer. Since NO ONE will EVER be Mariano Rivera. lol.
According to gameday, phil hughes was pitching from 93-95 mph.