2008 managerial ejections
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Laid-back Joe Torre: 1
Fiery Joe Girardi: 0
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Peter Abraham
hhhmm
just wait till the end of the season
Torre 1
Girardi 7
lol
I have always loved to see Mr. Torre get fired up like that. Had to pause the tv and call everyone into the room for that highlight.
How about throwing in the suspension?
Girardi was suspended.
Sample size: Important or not???
Overwhelming majority of people say yes! In a poll conducted by me, I found that 80% of people think that sample sizes are not important, at all.
total people polled: 5. margin of error: 20%
damn it, way to ruin a joke, idiot (me). it should say:
“overwhelming majority of people say no!”.
(sigh)
torre is a way better manager
Torre was right to argue that atrocious call last night. when will MLB have instant replay? all the other pro sports have it. cant come soon enough.
dumb
Worst blog entry of 2008 goes to Peter Abraham with the infamous April 25th piece “2008 managerial ejections”. The 4pm lineup entry can’t come soon enough.
Let’s play What If?
If Torre were still here, he’d trot out the vets day after day, running them ragged. There’d be Joba Rules, the Hughes Almanac, and the Kennedy Bible. And Ohlendorf’s arm would have fallen off in April instead of May.
Just kidding. Still think of Torre as one of the “good guys”.
FIRSt
First from Woodbury
Jeff NJ,
But you fell for it! You got sucked into making a comment. Oh, Pete, you’re good. Do they teach you how to pick ‘em or are you just a natural?
Fir St.
Who knew that there’s no Bigelow Green Tea in LA? Maybe if Torre knew that he wouldn’t have taken the job.
Just an attempt by Torre to get some fire under his team..
As has been pointed out before… Nomar batting cleanup? Is it 1999?
When he was with the Yankees, he was conifdent his players would snap out of their funks and play to their ability..
I’d say he’s clearly not as optimistic about his Dodgers..
Was Torre sleepwalking on the field during play when he was ejected?
I just can’t imagine him leaving the dugout unless there was an earthquake or it was a call to the pen for Proctor.
According to Ed Price at nj.com, Albaladejo has been called up. No word on the corresponding move.
Didn’t see the new thread. There was some conversation about Theo Epstein doing a better job of building the red sox roster than Cashman because Theo was more in tune with building a roster in the era of revenue sharing….
“i don’t think there’s any individual brilliance going on. i just think in this time of lower quality teams they realize success is based on quantity rather than quality.â€
Despite the yankees having essentially 4 rookies on their pitching staff they have a lower team ERA than the Red Sox.
Take a look at the Red Sox pen besides Okajima and Papelbon. They are horrible. Really, just look at what guys like DeClaramen, Aardsma, Lopez and Timlin are doing – especially their walk totals.
Then take a look at their AAA pitching. There are no major prospects on their AAA staff. The best one is Craig Hansen who no longer seems like much of a prospect.
They just had to rush Justin Masterson up from AA to make an emergency start in the major leagues because they had no decent pitchers in AAA to take the start.
No one wants to thrust a good prospect like Masterson from AA to the bigs unless they are forced to.
Dice-K has a 3.14 ERA so far this year. Great. In 5 starts he’s thrown 28 innings. He’s averaging less than 6 innings a start. Their net expenidtures on Dice K average out to over $17 million a year over the life of his contract. Last year he got off to a good start and then faded into an league average pitcher.
This was supposed to be Jon Lester’s breakout year. Coming into this year he had made 28 career starts. He has a 5.4 ERA and thrown 31 innings in 6 starts – 5 innings a start is not a step forward. He’s walking 5.5/9 innings.
Kevin Cash is their backup catcher. His career batting average is LOWER than Will Nieves’s. He is arguably the worst player in the entire AL. Jason Varitek has had recurrent injury problems.
Theo tried to cut Manny Ramirez to dump his contract. Think about that.
I think Theo is a very good GM. Cherry picking moves any GM makes is not productive.
The fact is that the Red Sox and Yankees are building their teams in a similar fashion. The Sox have been better with developing position players. The yankees with pitchers. The big difference – the Yankees got a later start on changing the direction of the team.
Alby can’t be the only move. They need one more arm. I’m hoping it is Rasner.
If Alba is up, doesn’t it have to be because of injury? That would mean the move is likely Bruney to the DL.
The article says Alba and Britton.
The Sox and Yanks are reloading their teams the same way.
For all the talk about the Yankees not getting Santana, what about the Red Sox passing on him?
They could have given up BOTH Ellsbury and Lester and had the next Koufax and Drysdale for the next 6 years. They wouldn’t have missed a beat if they traded both those guys for Santana. They certainly have the money to carry Santana’s deal.
They didn’t do it because Theo, like Cashman, believes committing that much money for a pitcher, even one as great as Santana, is the wrong way to go.
They have both had their hits and both had their misses.
The Yankees had Carl Pavano. The Red Sox had Matt Clement.
The Red Sox gave 70 million dollars to JD Drew. The Yankees committed 7 years to Jason Giambi.
They are both good GM’s. The one edge Theo has had so far is the Red Sox do a better job (IMO) of maximizing all of their roster spots than the Yankees in recent years.
Some of that has to do with the bad contracts the Yankees are currently carrying. Hopefully, that changes next year.
That said, there isn’t much that seperates the two guys.
In many ways, they are more alike than different.
Poor Scottie [Patterson].
Albie I can understand, but Britton? Can he eat innings?
Hey isn’t Britton the guy we got for Jaret Wright? Remember that offseason signing Wright and Pavano and trading for Randy Johnson. Cashman may want to leave that off his resume.
Alba for Bruney DL and Britton for Ohlendorf?
Albie and Britton? Interesting. Probably looking at Britton as the quasi-long man.
That probably means Bruney to the DL and Ollie to Scranton to ease off the throttle a bit.
I am curious about Farnsworth’s availability after last night.
I love how some are wanting to dump Cashman. Who’s going to replace him? Don’t say Stick. If he’s the guy that everyone says he is, he won’t undermine Cashman unless there’s just cause, which there isn’t.
No Edwar?
He’s earned another chance. He can’t do much more in AAA. He’s a beast down there.
It’s good to see that they are bringing up two arms from AAA.
Albaladejo has pitched well in the looks he’s gotten.
Chris Britton has done everything you could possibly do in terms of performance to get a shot. He doesn’t have great stuff but his numbers are really terrific down in AAA.
Both Britton and Albaladejo are guys who can throw at least 2 innings at a time.
Aside from a pure long man they also need guys who are able to throw more than 1 inning stints. Having a guy like Farnsworth on the roster who really is only a one inning pitcher limits flexibility quite a bit.
Not sure why they haven’t brought up Rasner.
The move that really intrigues me, if its true, is David Robertson to Scranton. If he gets called up to Scranton this early, they are going to give him a VERY serious look as a possibility for the Yankees bullpen this season.
Earlier than I expected, that’s for sure.
Heh, on Phil’s blog, Morgan Ensberg asked for reading recommendations.
If he knew I read that blog, he probably wouldn’t have asked.
CB, that’s a damn good post. Straight-up common sense. It’s a shame most of us Yankees fans don’t adhere to it on a regular basis
The only reasons I can think for not calling up Rasner is. Moeller hasn’t been DFA’d. Maybe they plan on keeping him another day or two. Or the other reason is that they are already one starting pitcher short in Scranton. Don’t want to be two pitcher down.
SJ44 read the Sweeny article re Joba and Robertson.
G. Love – Hilarious
Rebecca,
You need to a blog entry on Morgan asap, and post the recommendation on Phil’s blog.
good entry Pete.
thing is it will still get at least 75 comments before the next post goes up.
“The only reasons I can think for not calling up Rasner is. Moeller hasn’t been DFA’d.”
I totally disagree. I think Duncan will be called up for Moeller, but they can delay that day and call up Duncan and plug him in against the lefties starting Saturday.
morgan should just read pete’s blog. and our comments.
I wonder, with all these bullpen possibilities, is there more to deciding who to callup than just who’s pitching well lately? It’s a pyramid system; everybody can’t get promoted, so you take who you see as the best and deal the rest.
With that in mind, I wonder if picking Albie and Britton to come up, rather than Rasner or Edwar Ramirez, is a sign that the Yanks want to see how these guys do, with an eye towards who is going to get dealt? There are a lot of teams that want pitching. If the Yanks can get a 1B, say….
CB and SJ44, you should both have blogs.
They are both good GM’s. The one edge Theo has had so far is the Red Sox do a better job (IMO) of maximizing all of their roster spots than the Yankees in recent years.
Gabe Kapler, Doug Mirabelli, Alex Cora, etc are the reason the Red Sox have won 2 world series. Yep. Other than that last bit I agree with everything you said.
If Alba and Britton is true I’m a bit dissapointed. Rasner deserved a callup and we really do need a long reliever now that there is room.
“Aside from a pure long man they also need guys who are able to throw more than 1 inning stints. Having a guy like Farnsworth on the roster who really is only a one inning pitcher limits flexibility quite a bit.”
I agree wholeheartedly. Farns has really hamstrung any flexibility in the bullpen for the last 3 years. He can only pitch 1 inning every other day at the most and even then he’s unreliable. His contract is too big to move, and he can’t be optioned to AAA. I wish Cashman would just bite the bullet at this point and get rid of him. Now that the minors has so much pitching depth we can afford to get rid of him.
I don’t think the Yankees are thinking too much of trading young talent at this point, however, there does come a point where it makes sense. What if Textiera can be traded with 72 hours to agree to an extension? Is that worth 3 or 4 prospects?
Girardi may be fiery but he’s also a perfect gentleman who never curses, so I’m sure never saying any magic words figures into it too. And frankly, this “fiery” Girardi perception you guys in the media like to portray is pure folly. INTENSE and REGIMENTED, yes, fiery? not so much.
The Rasner issue is tied to Moeller. He isn’t on the 40 man roster. So, in order for him to be called up, somebody (Moeller) has to be released from the 40 man.
If Moeller is still on the team, its clear they aren’t clear that either Molina or Posada (perhaps both) are 100% healthy right now.
Britton and Albie are on the 40 man. It makes it an easier transaction.
“The move that really intrigues me, if its true, is David Robertson to Scranton. ”
Not sure if it’s happening today but if not it sounds like it’s not far off.
Tony Franklin the thunder manager had some really intersting things to say about robertson today:
“In what may or may not be a corresponding move, Franklin described light’s out reliever David Robertson (0.64 ERA, 2 saves, 21 strikeouts) as being “on the fast track” and reiterated that he does not expect Robertson to re main in Trenton much longer.
“What David does out there is pretty electrifying,” Franklin said.”
http://www.nj.com/thunder/times/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1209096322284330.xml&coll=5&thispage=2
Saucy—
The problem is that Ensberg asked for NON FICTION readingrecommendations and although Petes entries certainly are that some of the comments here barely pass for fiction
Also if only Bruney is put on the DL, then Ramirez can’t be called up as he was just sent down. For Ramirez and Alba to both be called up, two guys have to be put on the DL.
Interesting 40 man note SJ. Wonder if you can trade Moeller for a bag of balls. Inclduing a good kind of bag.
gayle – you are right. where was my head at when i made that last post?
Couple points:
1) bad news on the Red Sox. One of their top lefty pitching prospects Nick Hagadon may need TJ surgery.
2) The Yankees are about 1-2 years behind the Sox in rebuilding. Look at Jackson, Tabata and then the entire Charleston lineup for what is to come in the next couple years. The Sox have ZERO catching prospects to replace varitek. With the combo of pitching now and soon and the position players close behind the Yanks will be loaded for years to come with young guns and/or trade bait.
3) CB and SJ – I don’t know if this is out of line, but are either of you connected to baseball in some way?
Alex Cora is a very solid backup middle infielder. He’s better than anybody the Yankees have had in recent years as a backup middle infielder. He’s also a bridge between the latin players (mainly Manny) and the front office. When you are dealing with a nutjob like Manny, that’s important.
Mirabelli? He was only there to catch the knuckleball. Theo didn’t want him. He was stuck with him. He got rid of him when he finally had another catcher who could catch the knuckleball.
I don’t know, I’d say the Yankees could really use Sean Casey right now, wouldn’t you?
He also found Hideki Okajima for a million bucks. Another good move.
I don’t cherrypick each guys moves because you can find fault with any GM’s moves. Overall though, tell me the Red Sox roster isn’t more flexible than the Yankees roster this year. FWIW, it was last year too.
Sure, the contracts the Yankees are carrying are part of the problem. Its not all of the problem, though.
Conversely, the Red Sox have not gotten themselves into contract hell with a number of long term contracts for aging players.
I know its in to bash everything re: the Red Sox.
Like Cashman, Theo Epstein is a damn good GM.
If he was in the Yankee organization, I don’t think many fans would be upset with his work.
Bruney has a lisfranc injury…
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/04/bruney_has_lisfranc_injury.html
Looks like Bruney may be done for the year linsfrnc fracture and surgery has been recommnded
Yep, and meantime just keep throwing that slug Giambi out there. How loud of a bell does it take to see the guy is doing the team absolutely no good ? Does his albatross contract justify anything ?
The Lisfranc injury is named for the French surgeon Jacques Lisfranc in Napoleon’s army. The Lisfranc injury is an injury to one of the small joints of the midfoot. The injury occurs when there is a dislocation or fracture and dislocation between the forefoot and midfoot joints. http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/footproblems/a/lisfranc.htm
“bad news on the Red Sox. One of their top lefty pitching prospects Nick Hagadon may need TJ surgery.”
That is really bad news for the sox. Hagadon was a guy they really liked and thought had a lot of promise. Their upper minor league levels don’t have a lot of pitching and hagadon was an key piece to developing more pitching.
I have absolutely no connection to baseball in any formal way.
Just read about the game and watch it.
where are we getting the “done for the year” part? anyone know?
“Like Cashman, Theo Epstein is a damn good GM.
If he was in the Yankee organization, I don’t think many fans would be upset with his work.”
Think there are several GM’s better than both of these guys. Plenty doing a lot more with less than these two.
That said, they aren’t wasting the opportunity to operate with more resources than anyone else either, so they deserve credit for that. If someone were to hold a GM Draft, like tomorrow’s NFL draft, Epstein and Cashman are going between 7-10.
Man, that is terrible news about Bruney. What a rotten week for that poor kid.
That’s most likely a season ending injury. Recovery times for that injury for football players (a common injury with them….usually called “mid-foot sprains” on NFL injury reports) is usually 6-9 months.
For a pitcher having that injury to his pushoff foot? I can’t see him back this season.
Hopefully, he has a speedy recovery and more importantly, I hope his uncle recovers as well.
Does anyone have an idea about the Yankees aversion to having a long reliever/spot starter in the bullpen? Darrell Rasner isn’t going to ever be confused with Ramiro Mendoza,but he certainly is comparable to Jeff Karstens. If they were willing to go with Karstens, why not Rasner?
SJ44,
You make a lot of great points there.
So if Theo were our GM that smug look would be a look of confidence?
And he probably would’ve gotten beat up by security if he tried to run out of the stadium in a gorilla suit.
For all the early issues, you don’t want Bruney done for the year. He would have at minimum eaten some innings and at best progressed a little.
One point I saw in Pinstripes Plus is that there will be a constant SWB/Trenton/NY shuttle for relievers. This may help alleviate some of the innings strain on guys like Ohlendorf. There will be lots of tryouts and lots of call-ups / sent downs as everyone auditions for the stretch run and hopefully the playoffs. What is fortunate is that the Yankees have the deepest bench of potential relievers around. Some of those left out will need to be released or possibly traded. Every team needs bullpen help, perhaps we will end up with something useful down the road.
I don’t like the roster inflexibility, but it will get better over the course of the year and certainly after this season. We are in open audition time and despite the Sox having the three top hitters (by avg) in the league are only two games back in the loss column.
BTW Hughes will be very good and soon. Two starts ago was a big step in the right direction until the sixth (if he was taken out before the damage or got through the inning we would all be singing a diffrent tune). Yesterday he said he felt the best he has been in a long time and was lighting up the gun. He will be against a Detroit team next that is starting to hit – a good test.
“He also found Hideki Okajima for a million bucks. Another good move.”
This may have been a “better to be lucky than be good” move. He was brought over inexpensively in large part to caddie for Matsuzaka as he adjusted to life. Expectations were nowhere near the actual return.
Terrible news about Bruney. Best of luck to him.
The NFL draft was just brought up, has there been talk recently about allowing teams to trade draft picks? This would change the dynamic for both small market and big market teams. It would allow the those teams that perenially pick near the bottom to use their might to trade up for a top pick.
SJ,
I just find it hard to believe that you think the reason the Red Sox have been better the past several years is because of their 23rd, 24th, 25th, etc guys on the roster.
I’m not going to cherrypick either team’s moves. Obviously we have to admit the Red Sox have made better moves since 2004 since they have the goods to back it up. But it’s been close, Cashman is a great GM.
I’m not too torn up about not having Sean Casey. He’s decent but nothing special. Given a chance I think Ensberg would be better at first than Casey.
Absolutely terrible news for Bruney. What an awful few days for him.
That’s a really bad injury. Just not easy to come back from. They can’t count on him being back this season.
If he needs surgery it’ll take him months just to get out of the cast and be able to bear weight – never mind being in playing condition.
Hagadon is a big blow to the org with him needing surgery. He was the Sox number one pick last June and had a 33 1/3 scoreless streak in Single A.
I wonder why so many puplications have the Sox number 2 in minor league talent if they do not have much pitching? I am serious about that. I can not name many stud pitching prospects yet everyone is pretty high on our minor league t talent. No, it is not bias or Espn love otherwise Tampa and TX would be not be 1 and 3.
-dennis
cast + pins and wires
If the bones have not been forced out of position, you will probably have to wear a cast and refrain from putting weight on the foot for about six weeks. When the cast is removed, you may have to wear a rigid arch support. Your orthopaedist will also recommend foot exercises to build strength and help restore full range of motion.
HE’S OUT FOR THE SEASON
“The NFL draft was just brought up, has there been talk recently about allowing teams to trade draft picks? This would change the dynamic for both small market and big market teams. It would allow the those teams that perenially pick near the bottom to use their might to trade up for a top pick”
They already do, Jason. Lot of players (for example Joba, Buchholtz and more recently Porcello) go much later in the draft than they otherwise might because of their salary demands as measured against a team’s resources.
“The Sox and Yanks are reloading their teams the same way.” sj
“The Sox have been better with developing position players. ” cb
here are two seemingly similar statements from the two best analysts on the blog, but the problem for the yankees is that position players are not delicate and have to be handled with kid gloves.
theo is juggling one young pitcher (buccholz). throwing lester on three days tells us what he thinks of lester.
cashman is juggling joba, hughes,and kennedy all with innings caps. it’s too much for one year unless every thing goes right.
theo is not juggling pedroia and ellsbury. you don’t have to be careful with innings for a position player.
this may seem like a minor difference, but it’s not.
therefore, the yankees and the red sox are not reloading in a similar way.
Mel.
At the very least Theo gets to take the gorilla suit off. I look in the mirror after a shower and wonder who that is in the gorilla suit…:)
-dennis
“I wonder why so many puplications have the Sox number 2 in minor league talent if they do not have much pitching? ”
Buchholz and Ellsbury were considered prospects at the beginning of the year. Those two players alone (especially buchholz) go a long way.
Your position player depth is very impressive and Masterson’s was considered a real comer by many.
And talent evaluators love Lars Anderson. Absolutely love him.
That doesn’t sound good at all for Bruney’s future.
Doens’t sound like Duncan got called up either. I really don’t understand why not.
The Lisfranc injury to the forefoot is thought to have originated with Napoleon’s surgeon. During that time, if a rider was thrown from his horse and the foot was caught in the stirrups, the rider often suffered a severe fracture of multiple bones in the midfoot region with dislocation of the fragments. The resulting trauma often resulted in an amputation of the forefoot at a specific level called the Lisfranc joint, after the French surgeon who first noticed the pattern of this injury. Fortunately, although the injury is still called a Lisfranc injury, amputations are rarely done for this injury.
Yesterday he said he felt the best he has been in a long time and was lighting up the gun.
What do u mean lighting up the gun? Was he touching 95-97 on the gun.
That’s not what I am saying Patrick. I’m saying the Red Sox are better because of their 23-25th men.
I am saying they do a great job, better than the Yankees, of maximizing their entire roster.
Please, don’t compare a third baseman, trying to play first, with a true first baseman.
Not too many years ago, the Yankees would have jumped on guys like Sean Casey. Very good defensively, an ok bat, a superior clubhouse character type of guy.
Now, because of bad contracts and other reasons, they don’t pull the trigger on a guy like that.
Look at the Red Sox lineup and overall team. What do they remind you of? The Dynasty Yankees.
Guys like Youkilis and Pedroia grinding AB’s. Solid defense. Good starting pitcher. Great closer.
Its the Yankees formula for success during the glory years. Before George decided after the ‘01 WS to buy every name guy on the market.
Fredo,
True but, Okajima played with Matsui in Japan. The Yankees needed a lefty reliever. For only a million bucks as opposed to say, 46 million for Kei Igawa? That’s a move I bet the Yankees would love a do over now.
Drive,
Rasner can’t be called up until they make room on the 40 man roster. That’s because he’s not on the 40 man roster.
I don’t follow the Sox farm as much as the big team, but Masterson looked great yesterday (small sample), Lowrie has hit pretty well, Lars Anderson is supposed to be very good, they have a solid outfielder that was talked about in the Santana trade.
But, the Yankees farm teams have an unbelievable combined record this year. Wins aren’t everything, or even a lot of success for minor leagues, but the high ceiling, breadth and depth of the Yankees is tremendous. There is talk that this year’s Latin American class will be the best in years, Brackman comes back next year, Cox may be in AA already, Melancon is pitching, Sanchez and Garcia soon, Gardner has become a power hitter, Jackson is living up to potential early, and Montero may be one of the best hitting prospects in the minor leagues. Someone who knows the Sox system tell me how they can possibly stack up.
correction I meant to say, “Im NOT saying the Red Sox have been better because of their 23-25th players”.
NYY, Hughes has never thrown 97 mph in his life. I’m not even sure about 96. Let’s not get carried away here.
Dennis-
Even the most manly men consider it okay to wax the chest and back.
Go for it!
Brett Gardner is not a power hitter. He’s never going to be a power hitter.
He’s a speed guy. A kid who probably will get called up before the end of this season but, he’s never going to hit for power. That’s not his game.
Hughes – I saw reports of 93-95. For him that is lighting up the gun. At 93-95 when the control comes back that is absolutely plenty.
“I wonder why so many puplications have the Sox number 2 in minor league talent if they do not have much pitching? I am serious about that. I can not name many stud pitching prospects yet everyone is pretty high on our minor league t talent. No, it is not bias or Espn love otherwise Tampa and TX would be not be 1 and 3.”
Neither the Sox nor the Yanks have “stud” propsects in the high minors. Excluding pitchers who are up already, Masterson is the only Top 100 prospect above A ball on either team. Lot more depth than superstar quality in both systems, particularly at the higher levels (Yanks have more ready to help a little pitching than Boston in AAA).
The Rays have, by far, the highest level of top qulaity pitching among AL East teams. Again, excluding pitchers who are already up, the Rays have three pitching prospects at are significantly superior to anyone the Sox or Yanks have the AA and AAA. Rays may be dangerous someday soon.
Hughes Velocity Alert:
last night he was hitting 94mph consistently.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_04_24_nyamlb_chamlb_1
I echo the same sentiments about Brian Bruney.
He came to camp in better shape and with a new attitude, and got off to a good start. Then everything, from baseball to his personal life, starts to fall apart.
I hope he can stay strong and whether these challenges. Hope to see him in camp, competing again, next ST.
I was absolutely joking about Garnder being a power hitter. I am a big believer in him as a spark plug. The power surge is a couple home runs, triples and doubles. I have no plans on him being confused with Arod anytime soon. This was more a comment about those that said he will get the bat knocked out of his hands. Since a swing change about 9 months ago, he has had much more extra base power. 10 homeruns a year is maybe a best case.
Oops!
That should read that neither the SOx nor Yankees have “stud” PITCHING prospects at the highest levels.
Mel.
I was just kidding. I stole that line from a Jimmy Buffett song. I just always believe self deprication is far better than self promotion. Ask Woody Allen or Jason Alexander. They both have made a profession out of it.
If it comes to that I will not hesitate to wax or laser. I married way over my head so I am hoping Amy steps up and tells me before the the thicket gets too thick.
Have a great weekend.
-dennis
“theo is not juggling pedroia and ellsbury. you don’t have to be careful with innings for a position player.
this may seem like a minor difference, but it’s not.”
Maybe you don’t have to be careful with position players, but what if they come up and they stink? Then what?
Rookies are rookies no matter if they’re pitchers or position players.
Since you’re so convinced that there is no way the Yankees can win with the three young pitchers, who would you have suggested in their stead?
I hate to hear about what Bruney’s going through. You can tell he worked his butt off to get in shape, only to get an injury. I heard about the other stuff that he’s having to deal with as well. Hope he makes a full, speedy recovery.
If you get a chance, go read Phil’s blog. It’s pretty funny today!
Two of the Rays big 3 are currently on the shelf: Price with a strained elbow and McGee with forearm soreness.
Horne, Sanchez, Garcia, Cox, Kontos, McCutcheon, Marquez, Robertson maybe not studs but some will be very, very useful.
Betances, Heredia, Macallister, Brackman, Vizcaino lower down.
SJ44,
Thanks for the info on Rasner. I forot that he wasn’t on the 40 man roster.
If Bruney needs surgery, that could opena spot for Rasner, couldnt it?
Bruney’s injury is a shame. He seemed to do an about face compared to ‘07 in both performance and attitude. It’s a substantial loss for the team,something I never would have believed after last season ended.
“Brett Gardner is not a power hitter. He’s never going to be a power hitter.
He’s a speed guy. A kid who probably will get called up before the end of this season but, he’s never going to hit for power. That’s not his game.”
SJ I’ve been seeing Brett on MILBTV he’s hitting for power, the announcer even said this years Brett is hitting more power than last years, last years Brett went thorugh 384 ABs w/ 1 HR, he hit 2 HR in 69 ABs both were no doubters of LHP this season
Jacoby Ellsbury was not a power hitter either. Somehow he’s shown some in his short tenure in the bigs. Home field probably has something to do with it…[insert sardine can comment here]
Seriously, I was very impressed at how young and capable yesterday’s lineup looked against the Angels, who rallied for the win. But the Baby Sox got to Saunders, the young ace of the Angels. They make good contact and make things happen on both sides of the ball.
However, we all know that pitching is gold. That’s where the Yankees have all the farms beat. By sheer volume, talent, and readiness.
Picking up something from the last thread. Anyone else here really enjoy that 2005 season? With Aaron Small winning his first 10 outings and Chacon and Wang patching the holes? I always smile when I hear or see Small or Chacon mentioned. Good times.
“therefore, the yankees and the red sox are not reloading in a similar way.”
We disagree here. Both the yankees and red sox now focus on acquiring high ceiling young players through the draft and the international signings market.
They have very similar philosophies but have different organizational strengths right now.
The fact that BOTH teams passed on Johan Santana tells you how similar their philosophies are.
Part of what you’re not considering is that all organizations have strengths and weakness in terms of development.
The Milwakee Brewers are great at evaluating hitting talent and developing it. Absolutely great at it. That’s their organizational strength.
The Brewers are not good at all at identifying and developing pitching. They just don’t do it well.
The Red Sox are very strong at developing position players. They aren’t nearly as good with young pitching.
That’s part of the reason why they’ve had to look outside of the organization for pitching more than they have for position players.
In recent years they’ve drafted many pitchers but other than Buchholz and masterson those picks haven’t turned out that well. (and now with Hagadon hurt with TJ it looks worse).
The Yankee’s recent organizational strength has been in identifying and developing pitching.
Now it’s still to be determined how the yankees will be in terms of developing position players because from 2004-2006 their emphasis was restocking the pitching because the system was so barren.
But now some of their position player talent is coming up to the higher levels and it looks very promising. Front and center – Austin Jackson.
The 2007 draft was the first one where they focused on restocking the system’s position players.
And so far (espeically in Charleston) it looks like they did very well.
In the next few seasons they are going to produce position players like the red sox have.
“SJ I’ve been seeing Brett on MILBTV he’s hitting for power, the announcer even said this years Brett is hitting more power than last years, last years Brett went thorugh 384 ABs w/ 1 HR, he hit 2 HR in 69 ABs both were no doubters of LHP this season”
He’s had a career .386 slugging %age in the minors. In 15 games (he missed 3-4 early on) this year, it’s near .600. Over time everyone reverts to what they are.
Position players now and near future brought up by the Yankees:
C: Posada/Montero/Romine
1b: Duncan/Miranda/Montero/Laird
2b: Cano/Snyder
SS: Jeter/Angelini
3B: Suttle
OF: Melky/Gardner/Tabata/Jackson/Almonte
Utility: Gonzalez/Hilligoss/Sublett
There are others but these are the highlights
Ellsbury is a lefty. I think it is a tad easier to be a lefty at the Stadium for HR’s than at Fenway. Oddly, Fenway is always in the bottom half of parks in HR totals.
-dennis
“Since you’re so convinced that there is no way the Yankees can win with the three young pitchers, who would you have suggested in their stead?”
the yankees can still win with all three,but almost everything will have to go right.
i would have traded some of the future for a veteran #3 starter .
Lol Pete. Nice one
CB,
Thanks for the great post. It helps to remind us that, even if this season doesn’t turn out as we hope, that the immediate future looks very bright.
We seem to have players, while not studs, certainly capable of stepping into aging positions.
Help Wanted (chronological order):
1B (least likely to fill internally)
LF (I’d like to see Gardner here as a stopgap. Jeter won’t be able to get to those popups much longer. lol)
RF (I can actually see Abreu lasting longer in the Bronx than Damon, who’s already been Pipped by Cabrera).
C
The Future’s so bright, Igawa wears shades!
SS
Last
No instant replay. what a terrible idea.