Farnsworth injured; moves on tap
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Look for some roster moves tomorrow.
Brian Bruney will fly with the team to Cleveland then go to New York to see a specialist about his right foot.
It seems sure that he will go on either the disabled list or the bereavement list as an uncle he is close to suffered a heart attack in Oregon.
Meanwhile Kyle Farnsworth injured his elbow on the last pitch he threw in the seventh inning when he slipped on the mound. He didn’t seem to think it was too serious but they’ll know more tomorrow. Had he not felt something, he was going to go back out there for the next inning.
No word yet on who the Yankees will call up. Edwar Ramirez seems likely or they could go with Darrell Rasner. Perhaps both. With Ross Ohlendorf throwing 49 pitches, they don’t have anything close to a long reliever for tomorrow.
As for Joba, he was ahead of Quentin and hung a curveball and was ahead of Crede and hung a slider. No matter how good your stuff is, you have to locate it.
It was the first loss for Joba in the majors in 26 appearances and only his third earned run.
“The worst part is I let my team down,” he said.
Phil Hughes was pretty disappointed that he went only two innings but understood the situation. Joe Girardi didn’t have much choice, really.
Girardi left 22-year-old Josh Johnson on the mound after an 82-minute rain delay in 2006 and some (including Marlins execs) believe that’s what led to his having Tommy John surgery.
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Pete,
Any word on when they’re going to stop caryying 3 catchers? I know they’re scared of not having a back-up on the 40 man roster, but this is really limiting the moves that can be made with the bullpen, especially if Bruney and Farns can’t be used but don’t go on the DL and now Joba is gotta be off limites for at least 2 games. You’d think they will bring up 2 pitchers to help out this series.
Still can’t beleive they don’t have a long man.
Boy, when it rains it pours, huh?
I’m no expert, can someone explain how one outing would lead to TJ surgery?
need that edit button back. I can’t spell today!!
with all the times joba has bailed out the yankees, he is allowed to lose one, in my humble opinion. he is only a kid, after all. wont make me have one iota less admiration for him!
Glad Joba got that out of his system – should be smooth sailing all the rest of the way lol. Good to see them hitting, although it’s weird that right now Melky is more of an offense force at the plate than Robby. Love this team. Let’s go Yankees!!!!
Two out of three with those pitching match ups is a successful series.
wow, seriously? so surely the yankees are going to prevail over this lingering storm they are going through? of course they will! I honestly trust Joe G.’s decision to keep Hughes out. Too bad for him though, he is going to get heck for that decision. not the best night for Joba, but everyone gets knocked around from time to time.
Let me get this straight. Rain in KC prompts Girardi to start the game with the pen and then go to Kennedy later on, but he doesn’t do the same thing with Hughes, resulting in just 25 pitches? Did he not know it was going to rain?
Ryan,
That’s right we got the series and picked up a game on the Sox.
BTW, forgot to say best wishes to Kyle. He may be Krazy, but he’s our krazy.
Well, the game started in a RAIN DELAY!! U would figure it won’t come back again and if it does, they’ll play through it.
“I’m no expert, can someone explain how one outing would lead to TJ surgery?”
Because he did the same thing with Josh Johnson in Florida. When you have a pitcher all loose, and then he sits for an hour, its damaging to the arm to warm up again and throw again. Once you’re older and your arm is used to throwing for years its more acceptable.
If Rasner is called up, who gets DFA’d since he’s not on the 40 man? Moeller?
I’m wondering if Joba has been overused a little bit. His velocity seems to drop, and his fastballs don’t seem to have the movement like they used to have, and the breaking balls aren’t that sharp. Are they trying to stretch Joba out or they really overuse him?
Don’t hesitate to correct me if I’m wrong since I always mix up these rules, but won’t they have to wait a ten days after a demotion before promoting him back to the majors?
If that’s true, Albaladejo/Rasner seem more likely than Edwar.
Any more good news? lol
Patrick,
Thanks. I wasn’t advocating for Hughes to come back out. I was just wondering if it was definitive that that specific rain delay outing was responsible for the TJ surgery or was it cumulative or were there other factors? Your explanation helped, though. Thanks.
Joba was gassed.
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Nobody can say exactly what caused Johnson to need TJ surgery. Its just not healthy to let a young arm that hasn’t had the experience of long major league seasoons to warm up, throw full speed, sit, warm up again, and throw full speed again. Its just widely known that until you get that experience which lets your ligaments learn that stretching over time its not wise to let a young tight arm go through that.
The Johnson situation did come up when Girardi was interviewing and I’m sure the Yankees told him that stuff wasn’t going to happen with our young pitchers. Even if he wanted to put Hughes out there, I’m sure there is something like the “Joba Rules” that doesn’t allow Girardi to put them out after delays.
If you remember in the first week or so of the season, the SF Giants put Lincecum out there after a rain delay and the press got all over Bochy for it since its a young guy.
we lick our wounds and get to 18-11 then….still perty sah-weet !
There’s a line from the movie HOUSE OF GAMES:
“It happens to the best, it happens to the rest”
Tonight it happened to Joba…
But, there’s another line from that movie too:
“Play past it.”
Dynasty Is Destiny! ….love your way of thinking….The Yankees lost a tough one tonight, but I agree that being safe with Phil was the right move. I STILL think we need to get rid of both Farnsy and Hawkins AND truly need a long relief pitcher. But after we get to 18-11 by the end of the month ( 6 game winning streak right now is DOABLE ! )…we will be totally set to put the pedal to the metal in May !
Sorry, Patrick, but that does not explain needing TJ surgery. As someone who has a brother who just had it and has researched it thoroughly…you gave out wrong information. The ligaments in an elbow get damaged due to long-term wear and tear for the most part. It can not be determined if one incident causes the tear…but warming up a second time DOES NOT cause it because the ligaments “learn” how to stretch. The only way warming up twice for a game would be the catalyst is if he failed to warm up properly either time that game before going full throttle. Ligaments don’t “learn.”
For the Marlins pitcher it was either he already had a tear or he didn’t warm up properly.
I second Westerner99 on the TJ issue. Tommy John surgery is MORE likely for a much older pitcher, or a young one who has increased his innings way too much over a small amount of time. I’d look more at his innings the year before than one incident where he warmed up twice. Young pitchers should be able to handle it better.
As far as Hughes coming out of the game, Hughes warmed up and then had to wait for a rain delay at the start of the game. After the second inning, the second delay lasted 51 minutes. That was Hughes’ second warm up and cool off. Once that pitcher gets cooled off twice, a lot of managers are taking out a lot of pitchers – kids and veterans. In case there was any indecision on the part of Girardi, the tie breaker was that it was a chilly night and the weather report called for rain on and off for the rest of the game.
I’m with Girardi… I’m not sending Hughes back out under those conditions to slip or tear something in a game that they don’t need to win in April.
If you researched it so thoroughly, then why is it that every Major League baseball team does the exact same thing with young pitchers and delays, yet allows older veterans with rubber arms to go out there after a delay?
You have a future career in telling every major league team that their thinking is incorrect.
Cashman needs to send Moeller down and take chances of him gettting claimed. Former White Sox catcher Chris Stewart is at Scranton Wilkes-Barre and can be a 3rd catcher if necessary. Posada and Molina are now healthy. Why the big need of a 3rd catcher ?
The immediate needs call for Giambi sitting and replaced by Shelley.
The team needs a long reliever and Rasner is on schedule to fit right in with his next start being due on Saturday.
Couldn’t agree more! Joba has only one or two bad pitches in his career so far, nothing to complain about at all.
While it would’ve been good that we won, it’s kind of merciful too that the game ended in the 9th. We did not need extra innings in that weather facing a 4 game series with Cleveland.
We won 2 out of 3 against a much stronger White Sox team than we’ve seen in a few years. We we’re very close to winning that 3rd too. All in all that’s a good result.
Cashman needs to take chances that Moeller will not get claimed. Former White Sox backup catcher Chris Stewart is at Scrantom/Wilkes-Barre if needed. Posada and Molina are healthy so why is a 3rd catcher needed and clogging up the 25-man roster ?
The immediate needs call for Giambi sitting and Shelley at 1st base.
Darrell Rasner would be on schedule to start Saturday for SWB. He can fit right in as a long reliever [now] and take the pressure off Ohlendorf.
DL Bruney and bring up Albaladejo or Ramirez.
All the answers are within the organization.
The way I look at last night, Joba did the Yankees a favor. Yes, a favor.
When the Yankees did not score in the top of the ninth, if Joba had shut the WSox down in the bottom of the ninth without scoring, you’re looking at extra innings, with the possibility of either Mariano going more than one inning, when he had pitched in two innings the night before. And if it was still a tie game, then you’re really getting into the depths of the bullpen with a four-game series in Cleveland looming. Not only that, but the game finished up late enough as it was.
See, silver lining to every cloud.
Plus, Joba’s been great and no one is perfect!
They’ve really got some scrambling to do. I guess the only good thing is that Cleveland is really not in much better shape, are they?
I obviously didn’t read the post directly ahead of mine!
(So much for an original thought.)
Ok, now on to something positive. I was flipping through the game, not expecting Phil to only pitch 2 innings, but I saw him blow away Thome with an 86 MPH FB, saw a few well-placed FB and a couple of weird looking pitches that moved like a crazy knuckleball (the change he’s still working on?).
For those who watched the full two innings, what did you guys see with Phil tonight that you were happy with? Also, are any of you concerned that he’s going into his next start against the Tigers off of a very short stint? Is it normal for pitchers to finish their work indoors in cases like this and would it be possible for Phil to pitch in relief on his throw day?
I blame Giambi & Posada. Bases loaded, pops up. Pinch hitter grounds into DP…Can we learn to be clutch?? Ugh. Joba you were great. Last night’s game should have been won.
I don’t know why the Yanks did not DL Bruney when he is walking around in a boot and obviously not ready to pitch anytime soon. I can understand carrying Derek, Jorge or ARod without DLing them since they did not need a full 15 days and you don’t want to keep those guys inactive any more than you have to.
I think that the Yanks should bring up Rasner. They need a long reliever and he fits that bill. He is also doing very well in Scranton and says that the pitching coach there has helped him to develop a cutter which is helping him get outs.
great points on joba saving the BP Doreen. that crossed my mind a little as well.
2 issues i had while watching the game – not major, but still my 2 cents:
- pinch hitting posada for ensburg in the top of the 9th after ensburg tied the game with a single off a righty.
- joba should have walked crede with 1st open. he would have been a meaningless baserunner for the sox at that point.
Pete:
Girardi cannot be at fault for ruining Johnson’s arm – especially after one game. Please don’t forget that Willie put 24-year old Oliver Perez back out after the same amount of time and he’s still going strong.
If Farnsworth’s injury is only a day-to-day thing he should drop his suspension appeal and get that over with. Unless that will leave them shorthanded in the bullpen.