Game 25: Yankees at Indians
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YANKEES
Damon LF
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Rodriguez DH
Giambi 1B
Duncan RF
Ensberg 3B
Molina C
Gonzalez 2B
Kennedy RHP
Notes: The man, the myth, the legend that is David Shelley Duncan is back with the Yankees and hitting sixth. He was, as you might imagine, quite excited. We shook hands and it still hurts. … No word yet on the corresponding move but I would guess Chris Britton’s stay is over. … The Yankees are facing lefty Jeremy Sowers. … That’s quite a bench today: Abreu, Cano, Posada and Matsui. Those four make more than some teams.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 2:45 p.m.: In a bit of a surprise, the Yankees optioned LHP Billy Traber to Scranton. It certainly was deserved given his poor performance this season. The final straw was last was when he walked Grady Sizemore with two outs then barely paid attention as he stole second. He then scored on a single. If you can steal second on a lefty that easily, something has to be done.
Now the Yankees have a bullpen without a lefty or a long reliever.
UPDATE, 3:17 p.m.: Kevin Long is doing the lineup intros on Fox – much to the delight of Derek Jeter and Jorge Posada. Shelley Duncan also interrupted with a few whoops.
As for the NFL Draft: I hope the Patriots trade the No. 7 pick and go down the board to take the DB McKelvin from Troy State. But if they do stay at 7, it better be for Gholston, McFadden or Dorsey.
UPDATE, 3:26 p.m.: Joba has a hamstring problem, the result of slipping off the mound in Chicago on Thursday night. He was not available yesterday. Joe Girardi said the injury doe not impact how he will be used. Whether that is true or not, I have no idea. It has become fairly evident in a short time that Girardi will play loose with the truth about injuries. He said that Bruney’s MRI showed no structural damage. Well, execept for the fractured ligament that will require surgery and keep him out for the season.
UPDATE, 4:24 p.m.: Was that really a hit and run with Giambi and Molina?
UPDATE, 5:28 p.m.: Though the 4th inning today, Ian Kennedy has now thrown 17 complete innings this season. He has retired the side in order four times.
UPDATE, 6:01 p.m.: The Yankees were 0 for 6 with RISP until Posada delivered there.
UPDATE, 6:04 p.m.: So what are we to make of that outing by Ian Kennedy? He finished up strong. But he allowed three runs on four hits and three walks in the first two innings and threw 57 pitches. He needed 105 pitches to get through five innings, which is way too many. But I’d say he should stay in the rotation. If you’re going to develop your pitchers, stick to it.
UPDATE, 6:15 p.m.: The Attorney General saved LaTroy Hawkins there. What an inning that was. Meanwhile, where was Giambi going when he broke toward second?
UPDATE, 6:35 p.m.: The Yankees are playing with fire here, using Hawkins for a second straight inning. Does this indicate that Farnsworth (elbow) and Chamberlain (hamstring) are out?
UPDATE, 6:48 p.m.: Now Farnsworth is in. This should be interesting.
UPDATE, 6:50 p.m.: That’s three straight innings the Yankees have walked the leadoff hitter. That has to come back and get a team eventually.
UPDATE, 6:54 p.m.: Brutal call there by Derryl Cousins as Cano juggled the ball. The question now is whether Carroll will steal second.
UPDATE, 7:00 p.m.: It’s time to get a lead and get Mo in the game. I don’t know how much longer they can walk a tightrope with this bullpen.
UPDATE, 7:08 p.m.: First and third, one out. Now is the time with Jeter and A-Rod up. The Yankees are a 2 for 12 with RISP to his point. They’re overdue.
UPDATE, 7:11 p.m.: Wow, that’s brutal. Jeter stung the ball — right into a DP. … Now Ohlendorf is in. I guess Joba is not available. This game could be over fast.
UPDATE, 7:19 p.m.: This is either a game-ending hit or an inning-ending DP.
UPDATE, 7:20 p.m.: Or a wild pitch. Might as well walk Hafner now.
UPDATE, 7:21 p.m.: Same thing as Hafner, Martinez either wins it or we go on.
UPDATE, 7:22 p.m.: That’s the game. You can’t walk nine batters and expect to win many games. That’s three straight losses and a 3-5 road trip so far. Back later with some updates from the clubhouse.
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WOOT WOOT DUNCAN IS BACK!!!!
Still dont want Giambi playing 1st base. =[
Let’s go Tampa Bay Raysssssssssss
Shelley Duncan:
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SHELLEY!!!!
On the way to cleveland now. Pete wat bar u goin to after the game?
That’s it ….. just keep throwing Giambi out there. Outrageous !
Shelley! Shelley! Shelley!
With this line up Girardi is showing how he is different and not simply loyal to the guys. The only spot one can quible about is Giambi. But, it is the right thing to do to get him going after how he did yesterday.
Slam Duncan! Happy to see him back, hopefully he’ll pound a few off Cleveland.
Gonzalez get sent down?
You know, the one day I have tickets to see Scranton…
That said, it’s about time Shelley’s back and I’m glad to see the Attorney General get some playing time.
Let’s hope IPK can spare our non-existent bullpen!
“With this line up Girardi is showing how he is different and not simply loyal to the guys.”
No, this lineup makes it look like Girardi isn’t loyal to winning.
This lineup = ouch
cano isn’t sitting because of a lefty pitching. he’s just terrible against everyone.
Please DFA Traber!!!!!!!!!!!!
He’s just trying to get as many righty bats in there as possible against a lefty. Sowers struggled last year, but he was a good prospect and he’s got a good arm. It’s no secret Abreu struggles against tough lefties and that can mess him up. Cano is struggling period right now, a day off against a lefty isn’t bad thing.
oops didn’t realize that Gonzo was in the lineup.
Not loyal to winning? What are you talking about?
Cano is hitting .150. You don’t think he could use a day off against a lefty? Or, do you just want to see how low he can go?
For 2 years, they have sat Abreu against certain lefties so he doesn’t get out of his groove. Its how they give him a rest while also preserving his swing.
Giambi? Off last night, you have to see if it was a fluke or he is onto something. Also, with Arod as the DH, they needed to play a first baseman. Even a bad one because those are the rules. You have to play a guy at first.
Arod as the DH? Simple. He’s still hurting and they want him to blow out the quad. If that happens, that’s a 6-8 week injury.
Matsui has hardly rested this year. This is the perfect game to do it.
Posada is still hurting. Girardi said he would catch 3 of the 4 games. A day game after a night game is the perfect time to sit him.
If you just think a little, you will see Girardi cares about winning just fine. Todays lineup is easily explainable if you follow Yankee Baseball.
Its not like his everyday lineup is tearing the cover off the ball.
I meant to say they **don’t** want Arod to blow out his quad.
I hope that Kennedy has a good game today. He needs to challenge hitters more and trust his stuff. He needs to get ahead on the count – not fall behind and run up his pitch count.
My post was somewhat sarcastic
(thats for you SJ)
A-Rod, Giambi, Shelley, back to back to back homeruns…I am calling it.
Hey Glenn… Giambi was 2/3 with 2 HR’s and 3 RBI’s last night. He’s been awful granted, but don’t you at least want to see if he can put 2 games together and go on a run?? I do.
He’s too good a hitter to hit .125 all year long. He be up to a lofty .250 before any of us know it! hahaha. Still, I hope he comes around.
Kennedy needs to use his fastball first, locate on the inside and outside corner and then change speeds to keep the hitters honest. We need a big game from him tonight.
Depth is a good thing.
“No, this lineup makes it look like Girardi isn’t loyal to winning.
This lineup = ouch”
“My post was somewhat sarcastic
(thats for you SJ)”
No you weren’t. Trying to backtrack now that you realize what a stupid remark that was.
i think the young guns are about to bust out. i see ian taking control of the strike zone again starting today and hughes showed flashes the other day. i think the only real big problem with the bullpen is the starting rotation. give them 7 innings and turn it over to jobamo and they look like worldbeaters.
I’m going to go ahead and assume today’s lineup is an effort to get as many right handed bats in there as possible against a LHP.
It’s great to have Shelley back. He never should have been gone to begin with, and I hope they don’t part with him anytime soon. Hopefully with him around we’ll see more days off for Damon and Giambi. Hat-tip to Giardi for sitting most of the lefties today. Smart move.
Rebecca – I’m sure you are right. The Yanks face lefties the today, tomorrow and Sunday.
O/T – Who do you hope the Jets draft today? I hope they get McFadden.
If you just think a little, you will see Girardi cares about winning just fine. Todays lineup is easily explainable if you follow Yankee Baseball.
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Most fans don’t like to think or express thinking to fellow fans but more just react to everything that happens, unfortunately.
Fran-It looks like the Raiders and crazy Al are gonna pick McFadden
Giambi has actually put up good numbers in the last week…
6/16 6 Runs 3 HRs 4 RBI 1 SB .375 AVG .500 OBP.
He has 2 more very good games and he could win AL player of the week…or at least be in the running.
S.A. – I think you may be right. I knew there was a reason I have always disliked the Raiders. They are #2 behind the Patriots.
If not McFadden then Chris Long if he’s available.
Fran: I think Long was taken by the Rams. That said, I don’t care who the Jets draft as long as he actually isn’t a bust!
Fran-yeah. The Raiders are just a mess. Al is just crazy. Honestly, he might change his mind and pick someone else. lol.
It wouldn’t surprise me.
I am just wondering if the Giants will trade Shockey today.
S.A. – they are close to a deal with the Saints.
Yeah- I heard Long to the Rams. Matt Ryan goes #3 to the Falcons. Then crazy Al takes McFadden at 4.
But, nothing is definite yet. So, who knows.
SCREW THE RRRRRRRRRRAIDERS
BIG BLUE BABY !!! CHRISTMAS DAY AGAIN FOR REESE !
“I am just wondering if the Giants will trade Shockey today.”
you can bet on it
I personally hate the NFL draft. ESPN makes such a rediculous spectcle (sp?) out of it and it takes FOREVER. Even the 10 mins is too long. Its not like the teams don’t already know what their board is.
Drives me crazy. And Kiper and McShay the so called “experts” are wrong all the time and never get any criticism.
I think it would be a mistake to trade Shockey.
I hope Reese can get something good for Shockey.
I don’t really care for the lineup, to be honest.
SA last rumor was multiple picks including the Saints # 40 pick
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I had to comment on this WELCOME BACK SHELLEY !!!
and great to see Gonzo back on the field !
If I am the Jets and Long, Ryan and McFadden are gone I take Dorsey. If he is gone too, then I trade down.
“I think it would be a mistake to trade Shockey.”
he’s even told unnamed sources he wants to be traded why would you keep him .. I like Shockey but he chirps alot and demanding to be traded from a SuperBowl Champ, where is his priorities, just like Gibril …
John Danks 15 up, 15 down for the White Sox.
I’m a Jets fan; the draft is the highlight of my football year.
ugh a weak line up with Kennedy pitching.
Brandon ~ I would keep him since he’s one of the top 5 offensive players at his position, and he’s an absolute beast on the field. The only question with him is his club house affect. Personally I think you never get equal value back in the trade a of great player, so I would keep him. What’s he going to do, sit out the season? Nah. He’ll be there.
I believe that Eli (who I’ll admit I was never the biggest fan of) has come of age and it is now “his clubhouse” and that Shockey’s antics won’t affect the team chemistry. Shockey is a great player, but he has to learn to play well with others. I believe he can.
trade shockey and draft a good run blocking te to replace him, his productivity and time on the field are going to drop. they dont need to go back to the days of bitching about the coach.
James G the thing is I don’t need Shockey’s antics on my team, remember they won a Super Bowl w/o him, Eli improved w/o him, Eli took the leadership role when he was out. Right now the only thing the Giants need to do is build around Eli, B&J and Osi
I like Shockey too, but I think he has some growing up to do still. Plus when was the last time he played a full season? He is always getting hurt, not that it is always his fault. Also, he supposedly wants to be reunited with Sean Payton. I just don’t want any drama next season. I trust what Reese decides to do.
Back to the Yanks-I hope Kennedy has a good/solid game today. Would be nice if the pen can be somewhat saved. Crossing my fingers.
Maybe Ohlendorf should get sent down…or better yet, put Farnsworth on the DL for that elbow thingy. Sure he may claim nothing’s wrong, but who cares.
John Danks 15 up, 15 down for the White Sox.
A young, somewhat highly regarded pitcher who struggled mightily last year. Funny how that works isn’t it? Wonder if fans on White Sox blogs were calling for his head last year?
Well, they probably were, but you get my point.
Seriously, is Britton ever going to get a chance with this team?
SHELLY DUNCAN IN THE HIZZOUSE!
Again. The way it should be.
The Giants won the Super Bowl ! They had a parade !!!
Now it’s Yankee time !!! Shutup with the NFL draft, Shockey etc.
Play Ball !!!
WHOZAT remember the buy low debate me an you had
8.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 10 K’s
3.54 ERA
GO/AO 6:7
he may be turning the corner PT/S 107-73
Larry – was that the roster move? Britton down for Duncan.
Also, it’s about time that Cano got benched! I wonder how he feels about Melky’s BA being twice his?
I can’t believe people actually sit and watch the NFL draft.
I know Joe II has followed Joe I’s practice of sitting Abreu against difficult lefty-pitchers to protect his timing. But does Sowers qualify?
Also, I’m curious that of all the lefties Joe II chose to play, he selected Giambi. I guess last night persuaded Joe II that Giambi was set to explode. I can’t fathom why else he wouldn’t play Duncan at 1B and either Abreu or Matsui in RF.
Joe II seems to avoid consistency in the lineup as a matter of principle.
HAHAHAHAHAHA, what you like a houston fan, falcons maybe!
deal with it, G-Men win again!
“8.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 10 K’s
3.54 ERA
GO/AO 6:7″
Who were we talking about?
“Maybe Ohlendorf should get sent down…or better yet, put Farnsworth on the DL for that elbow thingy. Sure he may claim nothing’s wrong, but who cares.”
so Ohlendorf being used wrongly by the staff and not succeeding in a role many wouldn’t is a reason to send him to AAA ? he throws strikes, gets ground outs and strikes people out when used right. As for Farnsy ehhh…………
“Who were we talking about?”
my lefty
Cano and Melky are best friends and I think Robinson is probably very supportive and vice versa.
Even though I hate this lineup, it’s nice to see Melky moved up.. he does not belong in the 9 spot!!
“so Ohlendorf being used wrongly by the staff and not succeeding in a role many wouldn’t is a reason to send him to AAA ?”
No, because he needs several days off. Wouldn’t swapping him for Veras or Britton for the next ten days help the team? It’s not punishment, it’s logistics. They need arms _now_.
Though I’d rather see them DL Farnsworth and keep Britton.
Larry: Britton? Probably not. He had a chance last year, didn’t do so well, so that probably doesn’t bode too well for his chances.
“my lefty”
. . . Sanchez?
They only moved Melky up because they needed a #2 hitter with Derek moving to the 3 spot. When Abreu plays he goes back to 3, Derek to 2 and Melky moves down.
“He had a chance last year, didn’t do so well, so that probably doesn’t bode too well for his chances.”
It’d be really dumb of the Yankees to label him based on a couple of appearances last year between which he sat for days at a time. Especially since he succeeded in the majors in 06 and has done nothing but dominate — with good peripherals — in the minors. Is he really so much different than Albie? Neither has dynamite stuff, but they throw strikes and get outs. They’re exactly the kind of guys I want throwing the 4th – 6th on days when my starter gets roughed up…which could easily happen today.
damn, because of the fox contract, i cant watch the tigers on mlb.tv (while i watch the yanks on tv). have been watching them alot, the al central is going to be real interesting this year, both have major pitching problems (worse than yanks imo)
“. . . Sanchez?”
yup
“No, because he needs several days off. Wouldn’t swapping him for Veras or Britton for the next ten days help the team? It’s not punishment, it’s logistics. They need arms _now_.
Though I’d rather see them DL Farnsworth and keep Britton”
well that makes sense, other people are sounding off on him as a bust that’s why I said it wouldn’t be ideal, but to send him down for a breather that I would understand because he is not a long man
indians detroit and whitesox all have pitching problems i meant to say
Ian 2 innings today. And the Yankees are lucky he’s going that long.
whozat: I agree, it would be dumb to label him based on a couple off appearances, but given the depth the Yankees have, he would have to perform really well to stay up here.
Hopefully he performs as well as he can and earns his chance, like Gonzalez and Moeller.
Hopefully, though, Ian has a good start and the 4th-6th becomes a moot point….Yeah, I’m delusional, so what?
Why isn’t Matsui playing? He is hitting .321. He hits lefties and righties, he is an everyday player and hit a home run last night. Girardi: let him stay hot by putting him in the lineup!
““. . . Sanchez?â€
yup”
You coulda just said that
Kid had a great outing, no doubt. Though, it was against a team managed by Dusty Baker, who HATES walks. So, it doesn’t surprise me that guys were swinging and thus got dominated. Kid’s a power lefty…if guys aren’t going to wait him out, they’re going to get beat, and badly.
ian goes 6 2/3 today and gets the W.
I’m gonna channel my inner crazy and say Ian lasts till the 7th.
“Hopefully he performs as well as he can and earns his chance, like Gonzalez and Moeller.”
They lucked into a chance and certainly did a good job. I’d just like to see Britton GET that chance. He’s not done anything to make me think he doesn’t deserve it. I think he’s given up runs in one outing so far this season. The rest were all scoreless. Given that Albie and Ollie are both unavailable today, and Joba maybe should be…and who knows what’s up with Kyle’s elbow…I’d REALLY want to keep Britton around for today. Send Traber out, or send Ollie down for a breather, but I feel like I need an arm in that pen TODAY.
Yanks4Life: Even the best players need a day off on occasion.
whozat he dominated yesterday a lineup w/ 1/4 of his outs coming via the ground out. I mean 10 K’s to a lineup w/ Griffey, Votto and Ross ain’t nothing to neeze at, in the 8th he got gased that’s when B.Philips hit a HR
I guess Posada isn’t “fine”. Anyone else sick of the lies?
sneeze*
”S.A.-Phil Hughes was saved and Joba will be a starter!
April 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
I’m gonna channel my inner crazy and say Ian lasts till the 7th.”
Yeah I guess you are.
After Danks went 15 up and down, hes now losing to “Plaxico” Buress 2-0.
I guess Posada isn’t “fineâ€. Anyone else sick of the lies?
First off, it’s a day game after a night game.
Second, would you prefer Cashman just faxed a detailed injury/medical report on every player in the organization to every GM and scout in MLB?
Get a clue.
“whozat he dominated yesterday a lineup w/ 1/4 of his outs coming via the ground out. I mean 10 K’s to a lineup w/ Griffey, Votto and Ross ain’t nothing to neeze at, in the 8th he got gased that’s when B.Philips hit a HR”
I’m not saying he doesn’t have good stuff. I’m saying that he has poor control of his stuff. A team that is willing to wait for their pitch against Sanchez can handle him. A team that isn’t (like the Reds) is probably going to get DOMINATED because his stuff is filthy.
i am worried that they may have let moeller got too soon. the tribe couldnt wait to run on jorge yesterday and thats gonna continue till he starts throwing guys out (only 1 so far this year) i think they might have thought they could get away with an 80% jorge behind the plate but eric wedge was having none of that. now the word will spread like wildfire and they will have to keep molina in there longer. i bet we see jorge at dh again tomorrow.
it’s a big game for both pitchers for different reasons. sowers was good as a rookie two years ago,and then was sent down last year for not being able to throw strikes.
sowers illustrates the problem with bringing up young pitchers.
even when they are good for one summer,it doesn’t mean they are going to get better the next. they can easily go backwards like sowers did.
kennedy is now at that point where he’s got to get back to what he was last summer. if he doesn’t he’ll be replicating what sowers did and be back at triple a .
“but eric wedge was having none of tha”
yeah…TWO whole stolen bases, one against billy traber who gave up just an ABSURD jump to the runner. Certainly spells disaster.
“even when they are good for one summer,it doesn’t mean they are going to get better the next. they can easily go backwards like sowers did.”
So…no team should ever bring up young pitchers?
his next start is vs the Rockies so you know I’ll be paying attention. I mean it don’t get anymore patient than the Rockies in the NL
Hi “what.”
I agree that it will be a short outing. But I think he’ll last only 1 and 1/3 innings.
So why, exactly, have the Yankees not called up Rasner yet?
I mean despite the fact that Rasner’s supposed to start tonight, and all?
All of you Chris Britton fans must be happy. Pete just posted that Traber was sent to SWB.
Hi”where”
We both agree it will be a short outing. But I bet you $1000 he will only go 2innings. Nothing less nothing more.
Becca… Rasner certainly pitching well. I though if Moose got bombed during his last outing Rasner would take his next start, but we all know how that turned out.
Rasner’s clearly not replacing Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, or Kennedy (at the moment at least) so the only candidate is Moose. If Moose continues to pitch well, Rasner will likely stay in the minors for a while longer. They don’t want to bring him up and put him in the pen (ala Joba), they want him to start.
Good move to send Traber to AAA. Not sure why people wanted him DFA’d when he had options left. He’s not that bad and it doesn’t hurt to see if he can continue working on developing into a lefty specialist.
He’s never been a lefty specialist before and was primarily a starting pitcher in the past.
I’m glad that they didn’t send Britton down. They’ll need him today.
Joba should not pitch today at all. He needs at least another day of rest.
Ohlendorf also should not start.
Britton can give them innings. Let’s see what he can do.
Not a bad lineup. Great bench though
“All of you Chris Britton fans must be happy. Pete just posted that Traber was sent to SWB.”
thank god
slow to the plate
allows runners to steal bases
doesn’t get lefties out
he needs a kick in the a..
Better no lefty than a bad lefty.
CB I’m not sure people realized he had options left. As Pete said we don’t have a long reliever, so how do we get Rasner up here, and when is he pitching?
3 sb’s in 6 innings, thats not good. they didnt steal after they ha the 2 run lead
It is a shame that Billy stunk when he came up. He did very well in st.
About Rasner: He’s starting today for Scranton, so I think the soonest he could appear for the big club is in four days or so, am I right? And I imagine that it’d be in a Ramiro Mendoza-ish role–mostly bullpen, with a spot start if needed.
CB – You took the words out of my mouth.
I couldn’t believe the jumps runners were getting on Traber last night. Forget testing Posada – why should he even bother to throw? Besides, I really don’t recall Chris Britton getting much playing time last season, for whatever reason. He was, as I remember, halfways decent with Baltimore. Let him show what he can do, and then, either keep him or make him part of a deal.
With all the young arms in the pipeline, it’s time to start making decisions as to who stays and who goes.
“…how do we get Rasner up here, and when is he pitching?”
Rasner is pitching tonight in Scranton.
That’s a very telling sign. If they are letting him make his start tonight that tells you that they are not anticipating that there is any significant chance of calling him up over the next 5 days.
Moeller’s been DFA’d so there’s a spot on the 40 man roster.
I think they may be going in a different direction than keeping a traditional long man:
A couple of important quotes from Girardi:
“We feel that Ohlendorf can give us 50-60 pitches, Albaladejo can give you 50 pitches and Britton can give you 40-50,” Girardi said. “In a sense, we feel that we’ve been covered every night.”
And from Pete’s notebook today:
“”We’ll just do it as we have people available to pitch. Farnsy is going to have to give us important outs,” Girardi said.”
Seems to me they are planning on using Ohlendorf, Albie and perhaps Britton together as a shared long man.
And using Farnsworth more to replace Bruney.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....ed=rss_mlb
when hafner (1 sb last year) starts stealing on you, you’re not ready to catch.
Interesting that Rasner and Kennedy are on the same day. I really hope that Kennedy does well, but I wonder what happens if he is really awful again today? Any chance that they give Rasner the next start?
“So…no team should ever bring up young pitchers?”
because they can so easily go backwards, a gm has to have a back up plan for when they regress.
it’s not surprising that hughes and kennedy are having trouble this year after doing well last year. it happens.
a gm can’t just pick winners. he has to throw out a number of young pitchers he thinks will succeed and see who emerges.
the yankees are a little thin on the back up plan if kennedy regresses. let’s hope he doesn’t.
I’m a Yankee fan who is tired of being positive. I believe cashman should be fired immediately my 10 year old brother could had done a better job with a $220 dollars payroll.
The average Yankee fan is delusional, and doesn’t see how bad this team is and will be for many years to come.
CB: Who’s your pick to fill the empty spot on the roster?
“CB: Who’s your pick to fill the empty spot on the roster?”
Have you heard of a guy call Carl Pavano, Rebecca?
“A couple of important quotes from Girardi:
“We feel that Ohlendorf can give us 50-60 pitches, Albaladejo can give you 50 pitches and Britton can give you 40-50,†Girardi said. “In a sense, we feel that we’ve been covered every night.—
That seems like an epic waste of Ohlendorf. That kind of blows me away a little. I guess they don’t see late-innings potential in him? Or are trying to massage Kyle’s ego? I’m pretty disappointed that they’re uninterested in finding power arms to try in high-leverage roles outside of Kyle.
rebecca,
do you mean on the 40 man roster?
if so it’s definitely best to just leave that spot open and to use it as or when needed.
keeping the spot open allows flexibility.
say for instance they were to put rasner on it now but then he started pitching badly and they wanted to bring someone else up – say just to pick a name dan mccuthchen.
they’d be in the same bind of needing to clear a spot. then they might need to pass rasner through wavers (which I don’t think he’d clear).
that may be part of the reason why they’re concerned about using rasner.
leaving the spot open allows flexibility. they can open another spot by putting bruney on the 60 day dl also.
though i think they still believe the other guys are just better pitchers.
i find it hard to believe that Girardi is going to ask farnsworth to “step it up” to help fill in for Bruney instead of giving someone else (ohlendor? albie?) a shot to fill the 7th/ 8th inning role.
But I think that’s what may happen.
“The average Yankee fan is delusional, and doesn’t see how bad this team is and will be for many years to come.”
Saying stuff like this do you really think that anyone will take you seriously?
Interesting quote from Joe that CB posted above. I wonder if that plan for Ollie – who I think has pitched quite well – would be open to change once Joba becomes a starter. If not, then do they have another plan for that late inning spot. And don’t tell me Kyle. I’m thinking of one of the guys still in the minors – Robertson, Melancon, or someone else.
“he has to throw out a number of young pitchers he thinks will succeed and see who emerges.”
Yes. That is certainly not what the Yankees are doing this season.
“The average Yankee fan is delusional, and doesn’t see how bad this team is and will be for many years to come.â€
“Saying stuff like this do you really think that anyone will take you seriously?”
I don’t care how people take me as. Im expressing my opinion. You read it and move on.
CB–Thanks. I’m not hugely familiar with the way the roster works or who needs to clear waivers or any of that fun stuff, so thanks for the lesson
Personally, I hope Moeller clears waivers so the Yankees can pick him up again, especially since we still don’t know for sure exactly if Posada’s okay or not–what he says is one thing, but Travis Hafner stealing a base is a completley different thing!
“That kind of blows me away a little. ”
Same here. I honestly just don’t get it. Why do they keep insisting Farnsworth can do a job he has definitively proven he cannot do for this team?
Just look at yesterday – the game was still in reach and Albie came in an threw two strong innings to keep them in striking distance.
Does anyone think that Farnsworth could have done that?
But Girardi seems to really believe in Farnsworth and also seems to not trust young relievers to throw high leverage innings (unless they have a 100 mph fastball and 90 mps slider).
It’s very dissappointing. They have options – it seems like they are chosing not to use them.
Perhaps this is all posturing with Farnsworth and they’re just trying to keep up (or baby…?) his confidence.
But at the same time relying on Farnsy would be very consistent with everything we’ve seen and heard from Girardi regarding his belief and trust in being able to reinvent Farnsworth since the winter.
“wonder if that plan for Ollie – who I think has pitched quite well – would be open to change once Joba becomes a starter.”
I think it needs to be open to change right now. I can’t tell if they’ve been saving him for long stints or if that’s just how they’ve needed to use him because there’s been a short outing at least once every three-four days. I’m really hoping that they keep Albie and Britton around to cover the middle innings with latroy, allowing Ollie to audition for a later role in the pen.
Yes, firing the GM immediately would really bring the necessary results this season wouldn’t it?
I didn’t realize Traber had options remaining. With options remaining, sending him to AAA makes sense.
Goes to show you the Yankees aren’t waiting long for guys to do their jobs. If they don’t, they are going to new faces.
I don’t know why some folks are freaking out over Posada not playing today. The Yankees didn’t “lie” at all re: his status.
Girardi said earlier in the week barring setbacks, Posada was going to catch 3 of the 4 games in Cleveland.
Today is a day game after a night game.
Now, think for a minute. If you are going to give your catcher one day off in this series, doesn’t it make sense to do it today?
The only thing I gather from Rasner and Kennedy working on the same day is, if Kennedy is really bad in this start, they could concievably go to Rasner for the next start in Kennedy’s spot in the rotation.
They can make room on the 40 man roster by placing Bruney on the 60 Day DL, if necessary.
Last night I gave Kennedy an over/under of 4.2 innings for this outing today. I didn’t check the thread again today, but as far as I know I’m the only person who took the over. Did I set it too high or is no one feeling too optimistic about Ian’s prospects today?
whozat – Agreed.
I have a question for any of you that would care to reply – Knowing that a poor outing by a rookie pitcher might change another teams opinion of him do you think it’s possible that Cash & Co. have decided not to send up certain pitchers if he can avoid it so he can use them as trade bait in the months going forward? It is just a thought I’ve had and wondered if any of you thought along those lines.
“but Travis Hafner stealing a base is a completley different thing!”
When did this happen? Two SBs happened off traber, and they were his fault. His windup takes FOREVER.
what–Right now you’re coming across as the arrogant, entitled fan that gives Yankees’ fans as a whole a bad name.
I don’t care what you say, but if your team makes the playoffs for twelve straight years, you don’t suck.
“Yes. That is certainly not what the Yankees are doing this season.”
you see a back up plan of another good young strater if kennedy fails? you must know something i don’t. what would that name be?
whozat: Ach, my bad. I was at the Rochester game last night, so I didn’t see what happened.
Once again, I have yet to learn not to make assumptions!
“Knowing that a poor outing by a rookie pitcher might change another teams opinion of him do you think it’s possible that Cash & Co. have decided not to send up certain pitchers if he can avoid it so he can use them as trade bait in the months going forward?”
No. Who’s in this boat that you’re talking about?
so who did they call up from AAA???
Well, if Girardi is going to refer to Farnsworth as “Farnsy,” so am I. It may be childish of me, but it might make me feel better.
Farnsy, Fransy, Farnsy.
I like Krazy Karl, Farmsy, as Bruney rather than the setup man, although what happens if Joba starts? And then what happens if Joba gets pounded, which is a possibility. He’s a talented and dominating young man, but starting a game won’t allow him to throw the non-stop heat he dishes when he comes out in the 8th. And once we move Joba out of the bullpen this year, we don’t want to move him back.
spin it however you want posada is (i believe) 1-12 in throwing out runners. he is going to be run on constantly until he starts throwing guys out.
Info on Wilson
Any chance they can trade him based on what he does down there?
Randy: There is one pretty good young pitcher who can take over if Kennedy bombs. Joba Chamberlain.
Beyond Joba, the best choice would be Dan McCutcheon. He won’t be long for AA with the way he is dominating that league.
Shockey Update
Maybe all this posturing by Joe and Co. is to build up trade value?
“you see a back up plan of another good young strater if kennedy fails? you must know something i don’t. what would that name be?”
Alan Horne.
Dan McCutchen
Jeff Marquez
Darrel Rasner
Steve White
Jeff Karstens
There is an enormous lack of pitching all across baseball. Just look at the Mets. Look at the sox.
There is no way to have an infinite set of backup options in terms of pitching.
The yankees actually have a number of pitchers they could turn to if Kennedy really does prove that he’s just not ready.
I forgot about draft!! 2 picks to find out what direction the jets go in.
Can’t trade a guy who can’t see. Regardless of what he does in a rehab assignment, teams are going to be very leery about trading for him unless they are sure he is 100% healthy.
I don’t understand the belief that Joba won’t be able to sustain velocity as a starter.
You do realize he was throwing 98-100 MPH in the 6th and 7th innings of most of his starts last year.
Why he is a special talent as a starter is because he can sustain velocity late into games.
cb I notice you left off Igawa.
“spin it however you want posada is (i believe) 1-12 in throwing out runners. he is going to be run on constantly until he starts throwing guys out.”
He’s thrown out 2 of 15. Last year, Yankees were the 2nd easiest team in the AL to steal on after Toronto. Lot of it’s on the pitchers, but a lot of it is on Posada not being a very good catcher too. Offense is too good to resist from that position. Makes his below average defense is more than acceptable because of the bat.
I REALLY HOPE…..kennedy has a nice outing because if he doesn’t, I understand the world is not over but, what are the Yankees going to do?
Well there goes the Jets franchise rb
jennifer,
the thought actually crossed my mind… but then sanity returned.
he is dominating AAA. the perfect AAAA arm.
Did you guys see the jumps they were getting last night. If Jorge had a cannon for an arm he still wouldn’t have gotten him.
“you see a back up plan of another good young strater if kennedy fails? you must know something i don’t. what would that name be?”
Alan Horne. Joba Chamberlain. Dan McCutchen, perhaps, by the second half. Marquez could easily turn it around and be back-end insurance. Rasner is a fine insurance policy for Kennedy until someone with more upside pushes his way to the fore.
Dude…you just have unrealistic expectations. What team has multiple young MLB-ready starters waiting in AAA in addition to several in the majors? The Yankees started the year with one dynamite young starter in their pen, another guy who could show himself ready with a good few months in AAA, and a couple of guys that could serve as swingmen. That’s four backup plans if a young starter struggles. Should Cash have predicted the future and known that Horne would miss a few weeks while Kennedy struggled? Should he have known that Karstens would have a groin issue?
cb- The only way you get Igawa to pitch well is to tell him 2 minutes before that he is pitching.
The scary thing is, its April 26 and teams all around baseball are beating the bushes looking for pitching.
Even the Red Sox are actively looking for pitching in the marketplace.
Fact is, there is a real shortage of pitching in the game.
Even a Friday night A ball game in Charleston was attended by more than the usual number of scouts.
Its one of those years where nobody is comfortable with their pitching.
Its why its getting clearer and clearer the Yankees are basically holding open tryouts within their organization in order to find guys who can get outs.
Fortunately for the Yankees, their options are a lot better than a lot of teams right now.
never thought about how awesome it is to see your team draft last!
Pete – or anyone – I know this is off-topic, but I’ve read conflicting things about McFadden – That he is small and not strong for an NFL RB. Opinions or thoughts? Because there are rumors that the Jets are hot for him, and I just want some lowdown.
“Well there goes the Jets franchise rb”
Jennifer – my thoughts exactly
“I don’t understand the belief that Joba won’t be able to sustain velocity as a starter.”
This is really one of the most mystifying aspects of the entire discussion. It really is.
It’s one of those issues where it doesn’t really matter what reality is or what the facts are.
Some made up perception cannot be dislodged no matter what the empirical observations are.
It’s just strange. It’s kind of similar to when people substitute some rigid ideology for facts.
Joe too late, he went to the Raiders.
cb you had to hear Kay screaming yesterday that Joba wasn’t able to sustain his velocity in the second inning. said well maybe it was the wet mound. but still.
Alan Horne.
Dan McCutchen
Jeff Marquez
Darrel Rasner
Steve White
Jeff Karstens
1) Karstens, White and Marquez aren’t MLB level pitchers. Marquez is the most likely to become one of the three. Only one in the lot who’s ceiling is more than a #4 is McCuthchen.
2) What’s up with Horne? We can rule out the “he’ll miss one start” pitch the organization orginally offered. He’s a potentially good low end of the rotation guy. When’s he pitching again?
“There is one pretty good young pitcher who can take over if Kennedy bombs. Joba Chamberlain.”
i like that answer with joba, but i thought from reading the tea leaves that cashman is waiting until at least mid june and maybe later for that.
i mean between now and then if kennedy doesn’t come around. now mccutcheon sounds interesting, but isn’t that a stretch from double a. that’s still what i mean by thin.
i guess one person’s thin isn’t necessarily another’s.
Rashard Mendenhall from Illinois is available for the Jets if they want to go in that direction at RB. Chiefs will more than likely take Glenn Dorsey next.
BLASPHEMER!!!!!!
Oh my talk about bling anyone see the watch Glenn Dorsey is wearing.
“Lot of it’s on the pitchers, but a lot of it is on Posada not being a very good catcher too.”
I think a lot, lot more of it falls on the pitchers. Pettitte is the only one that’s good at controlling the running game. Wang isn’t bad, I guess. Jorge’s average on D. He was better in 06 and 07 than he had been for several years prior.
Sorry, if I was unclear – I wasn’t talking about Kennedy or any of the guys up now. I was wondering if perhaps they were keeping some of their other good young arms that they don’t feel they need to keep to perhaps bundle with another player/prospect to bring in whatever help they determine will be needed. Sorry if I offended anyone; I just asked if anyone had a similar thought.
Two more scoreless innings for David Robertson this afternoon in Trenton.
His season numbers are mindboggling. 8 games, 16 innings, 7 hits, 1 run, 6 BB, 23K’s, .056 ERA.
waiting to move joba until one or more of those guys steps up to take his spot is the right way to go. they are only going to get so many starts out of joba and theres alot more chance that there will be alternatives after the asb.
i read on espn that the yanks had been working on houston to get oswalt recently, anybody else hear that?
“Fact is, there is a real shortage of pitching in the game.”
bingo!
it’s there, but it’s spread all over the league now.
after watching the red sox last night basically concede a loss in a tie game by leaving 42 year old timlin in there, i knew the red sox have just as many problems as the yankees in finding pitching.
Ken Rosenthal likes to speak out his you know what, since when did Brian Cashman even hint going to LAD…moron !
CB and SJ: You know what the sad thing is? Despite all the pitching depth and options we do have, people will still say we suck and that Phil and Ian are busts if they fail to notch a win by May (in Phil’s defense his first game and last outing are just plain bad luck, same for the game Ian had in Tampa).
Sometimes I feel like the Yankees need to have one bad year–and I mean miss-the-playoffs-bad–for fans, especially those my age that only know dynasty teams, to realize exactly how good we’ve had it.
did Sj44 post a report on Charleston game last night or did I miss it?
“Only one in the lot who’s ceiling is more than a #4 is McCuthchen.”
So it only counts as “depth” if the guys are potential front-end starters? They have TWO potential front-end guys in the majors already. Show me a team who can do that and still have another in AAA.
We’re talking about serviceable replacements here. Guys who could produce as a back-end arm for a couple months. That’s exactly what Rasner, Karstens, etc are.
As for Horne, he’s throwing again, no?
The news just keeps getting better and better for the Yankees.
And what the heck does a hamstring problem mean?
well the NYJ your picks awaits
Pete, for the love of all that’s holy, please tell me you didn’t just use “Joba” and “injury” in the same sentence…
“Karstens, White and Marquez aren’t MLB level pitchers.”
You’re not being realistic about the question.
The question was – what is the BACK UP plan.
Back up plans, particularly for pitching, are put into place as a contingency if things go wrong.
There is only so much you can plan for things to go wrong.
So the main backup plan this year was Horne. He had a muscle strain. They still have McCutchen. I have no idea what you’re saying with Marquez – he’s not pitching well at this moment but he is definitely a good prospect and most talent evaluators feel that he is going to be a major league pitcher – he may not have “high ceiling” but he does have a low floor, which is fine for a guy who profiles to be a back end starter.
But once you start getting down to the 9th, 10th, and 11th spots on the starting pitching depth chart – of course it’s going to be a stretch.
Nonetheless, if you compare the 9th, 10th, and 11th starting pitching options the yankees have to the 9th, 10th and 11th starter options almost any other team in baseball have the yankees are much, much better. For the 9th, 10th, 11th type guys Karstens and White are actually good options.
What team has 10 major league caliber starters in their organization who could all pitch and succeed in the majors right now?
Very, very few teams can even come up with 5 viable guys never mind 10.
“i read on espn that the yanks had been working on houston to get oswalt recently, anybody else hear that?”
it was a BS rumor started by Peter Gammons, Oswalt, Houston and Ed Wade aren’t too happy about it.
Astros.com
The Red Sox dipped into AA to give Masterson the emergency start when they needed a starter. They don’t even have a Steven White, let alone a Darrell Rasner, in AAA.
The whole game is short starters and you just have to do your best with what you have got. Nobody is giving away pitching for washed up, overpaid veterans. Maybe in Fantasy Baseball but not in the real world.
Rebecca,
Fact is, a great number of Yankee fans are spoiled. They believe its their divine right to win the World Series every year, never rebuild, and every young player has to be great out of the gate.
If the internet existed back when Bernie Williams started his Yankee career, the drumbeats from folks to trade him would be heard through all five bouroughs.
The Yankees aren’t giving up on Hughes and Kennedy. If they stumble, they will send them to AAA but, they won’t give up on them because the talent is there. Its just a matter of getting it out of them.
I don’t have any special insights into the secret plans for the timing of Joba’s move to the rotation, but I don’t think it will depend upon how desperate the Yanks are to plug him into the rotation.
I think it will be driven by a calculation of how they can get him enough starts to be close to his innings cap by the end of the season while still leaving room for some innings in the postseason. If they move him too soon, it’s a sign of panic, and right now there’s no reason to panic. Particulary after last season.
“Pete, for the love of all that’s holy, please tell me you didn’t just use “Joba†and “injury†in the same sentence…”
Chicago’s mound he is day to day for now
Whozat:
Depth is great. Merely pointing out that no difference makers exist in that lot. I only buy into Horne and Rasner as guys who will be useful this year. McCuthchen is close, but probably needs this year in the EL/IL.
I’ve seen nothing on Horne, so I’ll gladly take your word for it.
Jets have picked Vernon Gholston. Everyone there liked it, so I guess it is good.
Jets pick Gholston first smart move they’ve made in 08′
is pete a pats fan
if fudging on injury info causes the other manager to be in the dark about joba (or anybody else’s) status, then fudge on Joe.
Playing the rain in Chicago got 3 pitchers hurt.
You play enough in wet conditions, this stuff is going to happen.
Gotta love MLB. They have no concern for their players allowing them to play in such wet conditions. Just get the games in. Its all that matters.
I heard Joba was receiving treatment all day yesterday for that injury.
The good news is, he won’t be available again today so they can rest his arm. The bad news is, he’s not pitched with any level of consistency (in terms of useage, not quality) since his dad fell ill.
Been a rough 2 weeks for Joba.
bernie yes. Just say 18-1 to him
yeah, pete is a pats fan but was very classy about the super bowl so be nice.
I cannot believe Joba has a hamstring problem because of that wet mound in Chicago.
I did not want Joba pitching in that game and many, many people thought there was no issue with it because the yankees had to win that game.
Girardi sat there – watched Farnsworth hurt his elbow by slipping on that mound.
And then let Joba throw 2 innings in Chicago.
He is taking chances with Joba that are completely unnecessary.
His bullpen management is absolutely mystifying to me.
Does he think he’s going to win the world series in April?
Why is he taking these kinds of chances with Joba?
They have to get him out of the pen.
sj How serious have you heard the injury is? Hamstrings scare me. Didn’t he injure his his first pro season?
Joba out for the season!!!! Oh Cr@PPPPPP.
Wait, is Joba available today, or for that matter in any game this entire series, or not?
Anybody listen to Suzyn on the pre-game? She often ascertains information about players’ injuries the team is trying conceal.
Sheesh – terrible news about Joba. When it rains it pours – and people wanted Phil out there in those conditions?
What exactly is it with Pete and his hate for Girardi? Every chance he gets, he makes a nasty comment. Last time I checked, I don’t recall Joe or even Cash being forthright about injuries and since when is the media obligated to know everything and anything? I guess Pete believes Joe lied about the MRI……..
If Joba is injured, I seriously may cry.
I love that boy.
Joba’s leg problem was in the NY Post today. I posted it earlier today. He slipped on the mound Thursday.
Like the Jets pick of Gholston
They let Robertson work a third inning for the first time this season in Trenton. Retired the side in order with a K.
His line today: 3 perfect innings, with 3 K’s.
His ERA for the season is now down to 0.53.
auh looks like my two favorite people are calling the game.
Yank Chick, don’t you get FOX in San Diego. Extra Innings blocks out the game because Fox is covering it. Or does FOX show a West Coast game instead of the Yankees-Indians?
Good for Girardi not to let all of the secrets out. Why give the opposing manager knowledge ahead of time that certain relievers are unavailable? It can change who he pinch hits with.
The problem was, they didn’t have anybody else to use in that game after Farnsworth got hurt.
He was going to pitch a second inning prior to hurting his elbow.
At that point, he had 3 pitchers remaining in the ‘pen: Joba, Traber and Mo, and remember, Mo worked 2 innings the night before.
That was the night they worked a pitcher short because of the Bruney injury.
I heard last night the injury wasn’t serious but that’s about it. Nothing really concrete.
I like the Jets pick of Gholston because they weren’t able to pick Darren McFadden. Apart from loathing the Jets as a Dolphins fan, I know Mike Tannenbaum and like him about as much as Dustin Pedroia.
ERA of 0.53? What the heck is he still doing in Trenton?
“you see a back up plan of another good young strater if kennedy fails? you must know something i don’t. what would that name be?â€
Alan Horne.
Dan McCutchen
Jeff Marquez
Darrel Rasner
Steve White
Jeff Karstens
Couldn’t disagree more. Horne has been hurt this year. Marquez has gotten bombed. McCutchen isn’t ready. White doesn’t have the talent. Basically its Rasner or Karstens for a long man role or spot starter. And Igawa should be on that list also. If you’re looking for a set up reliever, I’d put Patterson at the top of the list.
Fox showing Tigers and Angels at where I live.
I’m surprised they had Robertson pitch a third inning. Not sure but I don’t think he’s ever gone 3 innings or if he has he hasn’t done it much.
Dan McCutchen was just dominant yesterday in AA. Perhaps his best game as a pro – 7 IP, 1ER, 12K,1BB, 7:3 GO/AO.
He needs to be in AAA.
SJ44, is your contact in the clubhouse or the front-office, just curious, if you don’t mind confiding it.
Kill Schill: The Dodgers have a Saturday game.
Kevin Long is hilarious.
Looks like a mute the tv and blast the radio day.
hah, Kevin Long is hilarious.
This game marks the return of Duncan! (He needs a nickname!)
I don’t care if its a righty pitching, a lefty pitching, or a guy is throwing underhand. There is NO REASON to have Abreu, Matsui, Posada, AND Cano out of the lineup on the same day. Its absurd. Especially against the Indians. AND Kennedy’s pitching, we’re going to need all the runs we can get.
I just don’t get it. Is Girardi trying to prove a point? What’s the deal?
How does Joba getting hurt on the mound have to do with his use in the pen? Phil got hurt in Texas and he was a starter
Anyway, I really can’t agree that Joba has to be rushed into the rotation- he’ll be put into the rotation by June or whatever given his innings caps.
are they preping Robertson for long relief or SU man ?
so Traber was sent down for Shelley?
This team hasn’t had any days off. He is resting guys. Jorge day after night. Cano has been stinking it up, giving him a breather, Matsui loses his spot by virtue of Alex dhing.
“The Red Sox dipped into AA to give Masterson the emergency start when they needed a starter. They don’t even have a Steven White, let alone a Darrell Rasner, in AAA.”
Didn’t they use David Pauley from AAA, a guy with a 1.17 ERA and sub 1 WHIP, who’s 2-3 years younger than Rasner???
Point is that great AA/AAA pitching numbers rarely translate well in the bigs unless you have great stuff (i.e. Hughes). EL/IL heavily favor pitchers.
“randy l
April 25th, 2008 at 10:07 am
let me get this straight. farnsworth slips on a wet mound and falls and hurts his arm and so girardi thinks this is a good spot for joba for about his 4th appearance in 6 games?”
hold on sj. what am i a psychic? i don’t see how his pitching under those conditons made sense. two yankee pitchers were hurt in a space of three innings on the same mound conditions.
is joba supposed to treated differently or not? i thought he was. if not, by all means run him out there in the rain or whatever.
so 3 ground outs out for David today 1/3 of his outs were by the ground outs.
First dust up with management? What in the world are they talking about.
Yes, randy…Girardi was deliberately trying to get his pitchers hurt. Never mind the fact that no one else is available. Girardi is trying to ruin the Yankees’ season.
There, are you happy now?
LOVE using the scrub lineup. keeps the bench guys in the game, the offense was getting real stale, failing to produce late inning runs. as for a kennedy day, if he bombs, all that offense wont help, if he does well, thier bench is better than 1/3 of major league teams.
Alex work the count into a hitters count please
bphil: Seems to be the case
is it time for some joba rules with girardi?
Wow these guys are idiots. They don’t have a clue what they are talking about.
love to see an abomb to get ian off to a good start
Shel – ley
Dun – can
Clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!!!
You have to love how ill-informed Buck and McCarver are, entirely consistent with the abject incompetence with which Fox covers baseball.
Now KS, you are a smart guy. Why would I do that? lol
I don’t break news and have no interest in doing so.
I know a lot of people and hear a lot of things. When something becomes public knowledge, I have no problem commenting on it.
But, where I hear things? I can’t or won’t break confidences in that regard. That ain’t kosher.
Interesting to me that Paul Byrd is a Cy Young pitcher against the Yankees.
Why is it that this team can still not hit consistently? Was watching Kevin Long give the line up and was hopeing he would say, “I have fixed the hitting issues with this team”. But nothing.
So, mensas of the blog, coming up on a month… Team still can’t hit, still .500 or worse, but no sign that team is turning around. Do we as Yankee fans sill hang onto “it is a long season”? Just curious.
Wow, David Delucci has hung around a lot longer than I ever thought he would after seeing him man RF for the Yanks on occasion.
Fredo Corleone, you think Phil doesn’t have great stuff?
Can I have some of what you smoking?
kill- They are very stupid. We’ve known since Jan that they are going to stretch him out and start him the second half. The only reason they had him starting in st is if someone got hurt.
“You have to love how ill-informed Buck and McCarver are, entirely consistent with the abject incompetence with which Fox covers baseball.”
well lets be honest they aren’t the brightest light bulbs
I just turned the game on. I saw Jeter get his hit and ARod line out. Maybe a minute and a half of the game.
I must have shouted “THAT’S JUST NOT TRUE!” at the idiot announcers at least four times. They just have no goddamn idea what they’re talking about! Just blatant falsehoods. It hasn’t been reported what Joba feels about it? It’s been reported REPEATEDLY! Hank and Cash disagree about Joba’s role? NO THEY DON’T!!!
westerner99-
wasn’t that the 4th appearance in 6 games for joba. weren’t people like cb questioning his use.
wasn’t the mound a mess all night?
i wouldn’t have put him out there.
lose a battle , win the war.
i don’t give a crap if the yankees forfeited the game.
“LOVE using the scrub lineup. keeps the bench guys in the game, the offense was getting real stale, failing to produce late inning runs. as for a kennedy day, if he bombs, all that offense wont help, if he does well, thier bench is better than 1/3 of major league teams.”
Strongly disagree.
Yeah you give guys days off. I get that. Posada day after night. Fine. But not all 4 on the same day. Break it up. Sit 2 today and 2 tomorrow. Matsui hits lefties fine. Abreu is way too good to sit every time they face a lefty. I understand they say his mechanics get messed up but come on. That’s what a hitting instructor is for.
“What exactly is it with Pete and his hate for Girardi? Every chance he gets, he makes a nasty comment.”
I think it is unfair to expect him to be any different from some of his peers who have man cursh on the previous manager!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brandon – it’s a real shame…because Buck, before he became Mr. Every Sport for FOX, used to call a good game. However, I think the fame went to his head and now he thinks he is bigger than the games he broadcasts. McCarver has lost his ability to analyze. He is ten years past his prime…maybe more.
“Couldn’t disagree more. Horne has been hurt this year. Marquez has gotten bombed.”
The backup plan we were discussing was what was their back up plan going into the season.
Going into the season Horne was a great back up option. There’s no way to know that he was going to get hurt.
That’s why it’s a backup plan – it’s based on contingencies and you have to adjust it as you go along in the season.
But you can only create so many contingency plans.
whozat I am screaming at my tv. They are fools!!
Pepper: You look at Memorial Day, July 4 and Labor Day as the ‘pole’ marks of the season.
You can’t worry too much about April. May, a little, June some more, July, a lot.
“Matsui hits lefties fine. Abreu is way too good to sit every time they face a lefty. I understand they say his mechanics get messed up but come on. That’s what a hitting instructor is for.”
And Matsui should play…where? Duncan and Ensberg are here to hit lefties. Let’s see if they can.
I didn’t think so SJ44, just figured I’d ask anyway.
I wasn’t motivated by any desire to compromise your source, trust me.
I just wanted to know how authoritative was the report on Joba.
You might be the only way we’re going to find out how long the Yankees are going keep Joba out for.
Too soon, but I like IPK’s approach thus far.
“What exactly is it with Pete and his hate for Girardi? Every chance he gets, he makes a nasty comment.â€
Because Pete is a writer, he has to write about the Yankee injuries and when Girardi withholds information it’s harder to write about. Plus it’s incredibly annoying.
whozat – some posters believe real life is like a video game where you play your top 9 every game, every inning. There is no use arguing.
damn, billy wagner has pitched the equivalent of a no hitter to start the season, 9ip, 0h, 2bb, 5 saves!
Everyone goes nuts whenever the Yanks face a lefty because Girardi rotates some lefties out and it makes the lineup look terrible. People don’t realize that he’s just playing the lefty-righty matchup.
What’s the word on Horney by the way, CB. I heard he sustained a bicept strain and that is wasn’t that serious. But I haven’t heard anything since about when he is likely to pitch again. Have you? SJ44?
Telling opposing managers your team’s injuries and who you can’t use…is dumb.
Not as dumb as if a President told our enemies when we were going to withdraw our troops…but dumb nonetheless.
2 out walks are the kiss of death. Come on Kennedy.
I did until that walk anyway.
Rebecca,
I wanted to follow up on what you said before. Many yankee fans just have no idea of what the average talent level, depth and and usual level of success is for the vast majority of team around baseball is.
No idea of how much uncertainty and problems not just the average team has, but even good teams have.
They expect 8 all stars on the field (so even having melky out in centerfield for example was unacceptable coming into this season despite the fact that finding any centerfielder who can hit lick is very difficult…)
It’s sort of only living in one rarefied world and having no idea what most others are going through.
check out who’s pitching for Indians:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bo.....=280426105
Why didn’t Jeter go back for that?
Kill Schill, why did you jinx it?
Abreu’s averages for the last 10 years:
112 runs scored
174 hits
46 doubles
101 rbis
28 sbs
109 walks
and most importantly…… 157 games played.
This guy is not a platoon player. He’s your #3 hitter. You don’t sit him against lefties. You give him a day off once or twice a month. Again, this isn’t brain surgery.
ughh that walk could cause him
my god thank god for GONZO
KS,
The yankees are very conservative with their young pitchers, particularly with the minor leaguers.
They shut down Horne for 14 days and now have him on a throwing program.
From what Nardi Contreras said – the injury is not serious and it’s not something they are worried about.
But with injuries it’s hard to know what the truth is with the yankees.
“whozat – some posters believe real life is like a video game where you play your top 9 every game, every inning. There is no use arguing.”
Westerner I didn’t say that at all. Why don’t you go re-read my post before you make a comment on it.
dammit the Pats took Mayo
cb-
are you the only other one who was paying attention how joba was being used going in to that wet mound in chicago?
there was the odd usage of an inning when the yankees were ahead by 4-5.
i don’t see the intelligence with how joba is being used.
if i were hank and joba is out for any significant time, i would fire cashman on the spot.
Hey Pete, is it mandatory that every one of your posts mentioning Girardi has to include a snide comment or second guessing? Where was this attitude when Torre was using Proctor in 8-run games on consecutive days? Or when his horrible bullpen management and decision to not bunt on Schilling cost us 2004 ALCS — a series where he was severely outmanaged by Tito Francona? Where was the outrage when he sat on the bench while Joba was struggling to find the strike zone while being attacked by bugs?
Not only did you defend Torre, but you belittled anyone on this site who dared question Joey Four Rings. You at least owe Girardi more than a month on the job before you start criticizing his every move. Better yet, just stick to the facts and can the editorializing. I’d rather know what color socks Melky is wearing to dinner than hear your opinion on Girardi’s management.
Torre is gone. Get over it.
CB: You know, I bet we could do a study, Yankees fans who like the Jets and who like the Giants. Bet ya anything you’ll find more pessimists among the Giants fans…
“if i were hank and joba is out for any significant time, i would fire cashman on the spot.”
So Randy, Cashman makes the lineup every day? Cashman makes the pitching changes? If anything, its on Girardi and Eiland. It has nothing to do with Cashman.
Apparently both Sowers and Duncan have the same nickname:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=280426105
I have a dream… To one day see a Yankee lineup that does not have Giambit batting, 55 yr olds pitching, and people running down to 1st base like they are in a wheelchair…..
Welcome 2009 !!!!!!!
KS,
Horne is supposed to throw this week. They decided to shut him down for 2 full weeks before putting him on a throwing program.
Believe me, I’m not getting any more definitive injury info from the Yankees than Pete is. They don’t tell the truth about injuries. Neither do the Red Sox. Its just the way they operate.
You hear stuff talking to some people but, its in general terms. Nobody in the organization is going to go off that slant.
Mainly because, in this information age, once that news hits publicly, its pretty easy for them to trace back to find out who the source was for the info.
Randy, Why stop there? Fire the food vendors at the stadium.
miggs – why do you assume it was about you? It was a general statement. Calm down.
However, your comment about 157 games played, on average per year was interesting…don’t you think that, as his career progresses he should get more days off to compensate for being past his peak of 28 – 31 years old?
Not to be mocking you…but understanding the human body and how it needs rest as you advance in age – especially in sports…is not brain surgery.
c’mon shelley.
Shelly Duncan lives!!!
BY the way, Yankees Chick you can circumvent the Extra Innings Ban if you want to. Do you know how? TVAnts is the new SopCast.
randy,
i didn’t like the way joba was used that game and wrote it then.
But that is not a cashman decision in any way. That’s a game management decision.
I personally would have used Traber there and if he blows the game so be it. They’d won that series and had a 4 game series with Cleveland coming up. When a guy is on an innings limit every inning thrown now is one thrown later. So it’s not simply an issue of not “trying” to win.
But that’s just how I felt. And part of what I didn’t like was how wet bad the mound was.
I personally don’t want them taking any chances with Joba, especially early in the year.
oh was Sowers lucky on that one, Shelley set him up beautifully.
Sterling is singing Al Jolson’s old tune “April Showers” about Sowers…too funny.
“However, your comment about 157 games played, on average per year was interesting…don’t you think that, as his career progresses he should get more days off to compensate for being past his peak of 28 – 31 years old?
Not to be mocking you…but understanding the human body and how it needs rest as you advance in age – especially in sports…is not brain surgery.”
I understand your point but look at the numbers. The guy is showing no signs of slowing down.
He stole 25 bases last year, played in 158 games, scored 123 runs, had 40 doubles, and 101 rbis. That doesn’t look like a guy that needs more days off to me.
hahahaha i love it when giambino does that! you have to admit its amusing!
oh my god I think i just sh!t in my pants seeing Giambi try to steal
Giambi you bozo! Now Molina leads off next inning. Super dumb.
Wow, failed hit and run.
Holy Molly he was safe!! Not close!
eh we leadoff the inning w/ Molina not a bad time for the steal.
Respect the Giam…..uh….oh….darn.
SJ44, any word on how serious Romine’s back injury is?
Hit and run failure or an actual steal attempt?
I’m not quite sure we want Giambi to be the one attempting to steal…
Giambi is not the bozo…he doesn’t run without getting the run sign from Meacham…who got the hit and run sign from Girardi.
giambi has delusions of rapidity
“Giambi you bozo! Now Molina leads off next inning. Super dumb.”
he’s an automatic doubles spray hitter, it wasn’t dumb just setting up a bigger inning and if caught Molina leading off is not a bad thing
Run fatboy run!!!
Next we’ll see Posada do that….
two homers yesterday, a near steal today.. we may have a five tool player on our hands
just checked it out in super slow mo on tivo and giambi was safe.
Bottom line he was safe!
I’m not a Shelley fan. Seen too many guys like him who have a sudden impact in the majors after too many years in the minors. They flame out.
Obviously a hit and run, oh well it didn’t work out.
Well at least it didn’t go past Jeter.
That was clearly a hit and run called from the dug out. Giambi is not trying to steal base. They were trying to stay out of the double play.
No one likes it when they hit into double plays. If the hit and run doesn’t work – well what we saw is the risk.
Romine’s injury is not considered serious.
Even with Molina popping up strike is the call. Um he thought the guy was going to steal.
kennedy up in the zone on every hitter.
Umm, CB, I don’t think it was a bad call but they weren’t trying to stay out of the DP since they had 2 outs already. They were trying to score if Molina hit a double.
textbook sac
I’m not exactly positive but I don’t think Kennedy throws a circle change. He throws it with a vulcan grip. Tim McCarver….
whats a sac, im a yankees fan?
another above the belt strike, this isnt looking good,
CB: Hit and run with two out?
why are they talking about the sox?
low and in, nice pitch, why cant he just keep it down?
ANYONE HAVE IPK PITCH COUNT
41 pitches for Kennedy.
who to get up in the bullpen?
Becca…thought you were headed to the chiefs game…
Tseng,
You’re right about the hit and run. I blanked on the outs.
That’s a perplexing move, IMO.
Didn’t Phughes post on his blog that Kennedy uses the vulcan grip?
Kennedy needs to throw strikes or he’s going to AAA
What’s up with the Rally Towels in April?
Looks like another short outing for IPK… more bullpen stress… no offense…
Yankees are consistent.
C’mon IPK…be tough
So this is the kid who held back the Santana trade?
I can understand if it was Hughes that was the sticking point, but soft-tossing junkballers are a dime-a-dozen – particularly ones who have no control.
Throw strikes!
How can Kennedy be so promising last year and suddenly so godawful this year? Man, this is going to be a long season if the Yanks don’t find some starters who can give them some quality starts.
April is the cruelest month of all.
is roger staying in shape?
SJ44, one more question on the Charleston team. Similar to my earlier question on Montero/Romine, is there any particular reason why both Suttle and Snyder are on the same team? Again, both guys are hitting the ball great and they play the same position. And chance either of them moves to Tampa anytime soon? I see they have Hilligoss listed as a 3B in Tampa, but didn’t he play the outfield last year? Maybe I’m mistaken.
Give IPK a chance to work out of this before you bury him.
Man, he’s really having control issues. Sending him down might be the best thing for him because he’s just not making his pitches, but who to bring up? Igawa? Ha.
Chicago Dave,
I dunno, maybe there’s more pressure making the team out of camp? Trying to prove too much? But last year he did pretty well.
Yuck…. walked.
This is painful, he pitches around them even with the bases loaded. If he can’t throw strikes he shouldn’t be in the majors.
Grady Sizemore is one sexy beast!!!
that’s crap
Ian, please throw some strikes.
Given how angry Girardi was after IPK’s last start, I wonder if he’s going to try to choke him to death when he goes out to pull him this time?
Kennedy is bat shy.
IPK back to AAA…TONIGHT
ok kid, here it is, wanna stay in the bigs? fight your way out of this inning and hold them for 4 more and you can turn it all around and become a real big league pitcher.
I haven’t given up hope on Igawa! If he fixes those 10 or 20 or 30 mechanical issues I think he’ll be a solid number 4 or 5 starter!
Seriously I hope we can get something out of Igawa.
Ian Kennedy’s next start will be with Scrantion Wilkes-Barre!
No command, no poise…over-matched at the MLB level.
Nearing 50 pitches through 1 2/3.
Agreed. He does not have what it takes to survive in New York. Not that I listen to McCarver, but he said Ian was being interviewed and Ian said that it’s difficult to make it in New York because of all the media coverage.
Adios, kid. We hardly knew ye.
Growing pains, patience. Repeat those words to yourselves over and over again.
Does anyone on this board know of any instance when an appeal like that ever worked?
Ian isn’t helping his cause.
I don’t understand, he was able to do this and do it very well in the middle of a pennant race.
So Kennedy listens to sports radio? He says it’s hard to listen to.
Not good he’s listening to sports radio worrying about what people are saying about himself and Hughes.
He doesn’t need to be perfect, he just needs not to suck so bad. See, when you throw strikes you give your guys a chance to catch the ball.
cb-
i don’t think girardi is capable of not trying to win each game. that’s partly what makes him a good manager.
someone has to make up rules for use that supersede this. that would be cashman.
a red alert went off in me before hughes was hurt last year, and if it happens with joba, cashman needs his butt fired. enough of this till the facts come in , but if this is serious, it changes things.
If Ian can get out of this and somehow get through the next 3 or 4 then he’ll have saved his job but if he goes out next inning or in the 4th I think they really have to think about sending him back for awhile.
He’s just too afraid to throw strikes to be effective right now.
He’s going to have to go to Scranton after this start with Rasner taking his place in the rotation.
He is too overmatched right now to be effective.
Being a rookie is one thing. Being afraid to throw strikes is another. He’s never going to get close pitches called i his favor because he doesn’t throw enough strikes.
He needs to go back to AAA, find his game, and they can call him up later in the year.
Right now, all he is doing is blowing up the bullpen and little else. A shame but, its the hazzard of young pitchers. They aren’t all ready at the same time.
It might be good for him to go down for two starts. Needs to get his confidence back. If he does well over two starts you bring him back.
Lets hope he does not read blogs.
So IPK cannot handle NY media….wow. Think Gerber’s just found their next cover child for their line of products.
He should be traded immediately if he cannot handle it. He went to USC for God sakes, it is not different on that campus than NY… what a bunch of crap.
World’s longest inning………ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
He’s throwing an inordinate number of (high) fastballs now. Obviously, that’s because he can’t get any of his other pitches over for strikes. It would be one thing if he could put a little gas on the fastball, but it’s strictly BP-speed. It appears we now have two Mike Mussinas on the team…
And throwing a steady diet of meatballs to this Indians club? Wow, talk about suicide…
Aw, come on now. Another jam shot.
Not to defend Kennedy…but USC is a world different from NYC. As is college ball vs playing for the most well-known baseball team in the world. In the world.
If he’s afraid to throw strikes, we should get him a psychologist. If he just can’t do it, then send him home.
If they do decide to send him down just make it known it is to help him, to boost his confidence. Nothing is going right today for him. Two flairs.
Now that’s just bad luck.
IPK = Matt Smith
Kennedy should worry about throwing strikes instead he’s worried about what people are saying about him.
Not a good sign.
Damn, Travis Hafner is also a sexy beast!
these bloopers suck for him, he’s not pitching that bad Martinez and Hafner hits 2 bloops on good pitches and he just gets too bat shy.
“Agreed. He does not have what it takes to survive in New York. Not that I listen to McCarver, but he said Ian was being interviewed and Ian said that it’s difficult to make it in New York because of all the media coverage.
Adios, kid. We hardly knew ye.”
Trisha weren’t you the one constantly talking about always staying positive? You are routinely critical of other people on this board for being negative. Now you want to throw our 1st round pick from last year under the bus? Make up your mind.
Rasner up for IPK next start. No biggie, IPK will be back.
talk about a snakebit team right now…you can see emotion all over kennedy’s baby face
Kennedy hasn’t pitched successfully since he got married.
He just looks scared…
3 run homer coming right now.
Kennedy really needs to go back to AAA. He looks like he’s afraid. He has also run up his pitch count.
Rasner is doing well right now and we know that he can pitch in NY. There is not the same pressure on him.
Right now I don’t think Kennedy can throw strikes. He’s missing by a lot now. You can’t just toss the pitch down the middle of the plate, his control is gone right now – maybe because he’s been so sheepish. But it’s just not working for him right now. But he’s got to get through this ugly inning and show some fight. That’s all he can do right now.
It is still only 3 runs, the Indians pitcher doesn’t look like anything special. We should be able to over come it.
Britton already up.
It is going to be a long day. Did Esland go out there yet?
damn did britton put all the wieght back on in 3 weeks in scranton?
kennedy sucks, get this bum off the team. he is worse than igawa
“It appears we now have two Mike Mussina’s on the team.”
I wish Kennedy threw as hard as Moose!
ok, now a nice long (say 4-run) rest for the boy and he can get his second wind.
Miggs,
Suttle plays third and Snyder plays second in Charleston. Snyder really is also a utility guy. He can play a variety of positions while Suttle is strictly a third baseman.
If he can limit it to three runs and work into the 6th, we’re good. Give him a chance to rebound during this game. If he gets into even more trouble, then we have a problem.
Sure this isn’t what we wanted to see today but its not totally lost just yet.
This isn’t bad luck, he makes his luck. Had he not walked 3 already, he would be out of this inning a long time ago. This is horrible.
anyone else hope that yankee chick has an impostor?
Ian Igawa
DAMN-Victor Martinez is hot too! This is one hot team. A girl needs some of that. lol
All that poise IPK showed (especially in that one start vs. Toronto) late last year has now vanished into thin air. I’d say Rasner should take his place, but then who do you call up to be the long man?
Even if we had a long reliever on the team right now, that guy would be gassed after the last turn through the rotation.
Pedro,
Agree…you can’t walk everyone, then give up a bloop hit and complain about a bad break…
IPK throws strikes for the rest of the game and gets through 6.5 innings. Who’s with me?
“kennedy sucks, get this bum off the team. he is worse than igawa”
ok so apparently you have no idea what your talking about by the way smart one on calling a 23 yr. old a bum
This is a trying time for Kennedy; if he can hang in and the Yankees continue to have faith, he will mature into a very good pitcher. It was inevitable that he would face these types of outings at some point this year. So having gone this far, the experiment should be carried out to its’ conclusion.
randy I think it is.
Kennedy has to go. This is getting ridiculous. Send him down and bring someone else up. If he starts pitching well down there we’ll bring him back up.. but we can’t keep doing this or we stand no chance.
I really can not take anymore of IPK’s games. I’ll boycott these games until the Yankee have enough sense to send him down and put Rasner in. The games are unwatchable. It has already destroyed the bullpen.
What better time for IPK to learn to pitch with adversity then in April. The kid will get better. Patience, Growing Pains.
Patience, Growing Pains.
Dividends to be paid soon.
Will the real Yankees Chick please stand up!
VRSCE
He probably needs to go down for 2 starts, let him build up his confidence again. He can pitch up here, but it seems like he has forgotten how to pitch.
I just remember Igawa from last year…he was frustrating to watch, too.
Kennedy, Hughes and Ohlendorf were rushed. Should not be here, can’t get major league hitters out.
i dont understand how the yankees arent hitting this kid…. hes got TERRIBLE stats and a terrible breaking ball
i hate watching this crap sometimes
Ugh, I swear I have never seen one team get as many lucky hits/runs off the other as the indians do off the Yankees. Not to make excuses for Kennedy’s laborous pitching though. I agree Yanks would do well to send him down to SWB for a few starts to regain confidence in his stuff. he doesn’t need to nibble, and that he’s doing it is robbing him of what I thought was one of his best qualities, ability to be economical and go deep into games.
Rasner certainly isn’t going to blow anyone away in the meantime but he should be more or less serviceable. At this point we just need a starter who is gonna eat enough innings where if we are down 3 runs early, there is a legit chance to come back b/c you’re only using your starter and your best relievers, rather than burning thru every reliever in the pen.
Oh and also, how serious is Joba’s hamstring problem exactly? definitely not music to my ears…so dumb that that game wasn’t a day game & I dont want to pay the price for that now
Fortunately, blog members aren’t GM’s or farm directors.
If he is struggling, you don’t waive him, you send him down to AAA to work on his game.
Its probably why Rasner has not already been recalled and is working on the same day as Kennedy. He can take his spot in the rotation if they decide to send Ian down to Scranton.
Last night that probably would have been out.
I love how Abreu and Cano can’t play against lefties.
From yankees.com…Betemit due to come off the DL on Tuesday…but is still having eye problems and will need more time.
Yeah, this guy is behind every hitter and they arent taking advantage. Frustrating indeed. Really hard to watch the past few days.
man, how much more are we going to help teams out? They get money from us on the luxury tax; our pitchers either give up big innings with 2 outs or walk most of them; and our offense gets ahead in counts, but can’t do anything with it!
I hope Kennedy wasn’t listening to Mike and the Maddog.
I guess I’m just getting tired and upset at my boytoy IPK. A couple of AAA starts might be what the doc ordered.
YankeesChick – YES INDEED!
McCarver must be getting wiser with age. He mentioned the impatience of society as a whole also being a factor with IPK’s lousy performance.
Why is IPK still in the majors? It’s pretty obvious he can’t hack it right now. I still believe he’ll be a decent starter some day, but why he can’t take another year or 2 in AAA is a mystery.
i dont know about all that noise about poise and listening to sports radio. i see pitches up in the zone. hes a better pitcher than this but someone has to figure out what hes doing wrong because he isnt showing the same stuff as last year.
SJ44 for some reason they have Snyder listed as a third baseman. I had no idea he played second. Once again, thanks for the clarification.
It’s going to start thunderstormming here soon which is bad because I’m terrified of thunderstorms, but I’m off to see Scranton and Syracuse. Catch you all later.
I don’t think you can lump Hughes in with Kennedy. Hughes pitched pretty well in Baltimore until the 6th and was dealing the other night in Chicago until the rain halted his start.
Hughes’ stuff is crisper right now and he doesn’t seem to exhibit the bat fear that Kennedy seems to have right now.
Hughes is also seems to be tougher mentally. Unlike Kennedy, who seems to be bothered with the media conversation, Hughes isn’t.
Its young pitching and its the stuff all young pitchers go through as they learn how to be successful MLB players.
Sowers has brought every batter this inning to a 3-1 count and they have one hit so far out of it.
absolutely excellent baserunning by Johnny. That’s how he needs to be for us all season.
Great hustle by Damon, he hits the ball in the hole and was immediately thinking two out of the box. Sowers isn’t exactly pounding the strike zone either, falling behind most of the hitters.
great hussle Johnny
Kennedy time-oh boy
The Trey Amigos is down to two. Fans must remember that a year ago, Ian Kennedy was pitching at High A Tampa.
He’ll find himself and call this a learning experience.
“Kennedy, Hughes and Ohlendorf were rushed. Should not be here, can’t get major league hitters out.”
this makes absolutely no sense please just keep it to yourself and stop sounding stupid, it’s April, April ! the AL East is 2.5 away. Jesus hopefully this blog can educate some of you.
I’m absolutely all for stickig with the kids and letting them endure their growing pains. However, you have to balance that against the reality of also needing to maintain your bullpen over a long season. If the kids are throwing 5, 6 or even 7 innings each time out, but having some rough innings here or there, then so be it. However, Kennedy (and to a similar extent Hughes) just throw so many pitches and give up so many baserunners in the early innings that it’s impossible to leave them in for that long. As a result, the bullpen, which wasn’t that great to begin with, is being completely exhausted and exposed. I say send IPK back to AAA and stick with Hughes for now. There’s no way you can stick with both, ‘cuz there ain’t enough Scott Proctors in this world to fill up the innings at this point.
another crappy listless offense day.
Sowers looking like the second coming of Bob Gibson.
At least we have Abreu, Matsui, Cano, and Posada available for pinch hitting duties!!!!
Oh and as far as the NFL draft…1st of all I will laugh so hard if Lions take WR or RB here. Second, terrible pick for the Pats, I LOL’d…just yesterday that guy was projected to go 32nd overall to the Giants! And speaking of the Giants, I, of course am eagerly awaiting Shockey’s fate.
Now if only the Yankee lineup’s fate for today could quickly become something other than “let a below avg pitcher off the hook”…
Neil, that’s exactly what I was about to say. This guy Sowers is getting behind in the count with every hitter he’s facing and the Yankee offense can’t seem to do anything…
i hope things change quick otherwise i’m not going to be able to convince my wife much longer that we should stay at home and watch the game rather than shop for furniture.
bet on Sowers getting hit pretty soon, falling back on the count vs the Yankees not a good thing.
Sj He admitted it bothered him.
I hope one of his teammates heard that and sits him down for a brother to brother. Alex would probably be a good choice since a lot of garbage was said about him. Ian has to learn to become a duck and let it roll off his back.
Glenn very good point, I think a lot of people forget that both he and Joba were in A ball this time last year!
Johan Santana. Johan Santana. Johan Santana. Johan Santana. Johan Santana. Johan Santana.
Thanks Cashman!
Come on Kennedy. Let’s end on a positive and get one or two good innings.
I wish the Yankees had a hitter like Jackson right now on this team.. Might give them some offense.
To Yankeenate: If the game continues like this, youR gonna be begging to take your wife furniture shopping…LOL
Right now Ian looks like a very different pitcher.
Kennedy is hard to watch. 3-2 on every single hitter.
Needless to say, the fact that the Yankee offense remains stuck in neutral is only serving to further emphasize the struggles of our young pitchers.
The ump isn’t helping him right now. First pitch looked like a strike.
70 pitches!
Kennedy’s curve is not breaking near the plate and/or not fooling anyone today. He needs to focus on pitches that work and channel his inner Mussina and pitch.
Jose Molina is in a hurry to get this half-inning over with. He is really taking a pounding!
By the way this lineup we have out there is really pathetic.
“Joe Girardi said the injury doe not impact how he will be used. Whether that is true or not, I have no idea. It has become fairly evident in a short time that Girardi will play loose with the truth about injuries. He said that Bruney’s MRI showed no structural damage. Well, execept for the fractured ligament that will require surgery and keep him out for the season.”
It is absolute stupidity to twist things like this. Until the specialist in NY found exactly what was wrong, it was not clear the extent of Bruney’s problem. What would Girardi gain by saying what he said, if he already knew the extent of the injury? He did say that the specialist in NY is looking at it. You conveniently left that from you writing.
Look you love Joe Torre, there is nothing wrong with it. But do not be so unfair to Joe G.
IPK’s new nickname should be “Nibbler.”
At this rate Kennedy will be at 100 pitches by the end of the 4th. That is, if he makes it that long.
come on already with these two out walks
Ok Kennedy. Better that time around. Let’s get one more.
Galarraga is pitching a no hitter through 4. That guy has been outstanding for Detroit since taking over for the injured Dontrelle.
anyone know who the last Yankee starter was to throw less than 20 pitches in an inning?
okay, maybe not 6.5 innings.
ahhh, thank you morgan ensberg! my wife had purse in hand with one foot out the door…i live for another inning!
Holy crap, an out on the second pitch! Lord be praised!!
I am in California and cannot watch how painful is the nibbler to watch????
I have a feeling we will win this game. The lineup may not be our strongest, but everyone in it can hit.
Kennedy had a decent inning there and hopefully he’ll get to go at least 5. If he can we’re in decent shape and it’s a big improvement over what he did his last few times.
Cross your fingers.
Yankees need to explode offensively. Bad enough their pitching is bad. There hitting is not much better.Sowers can’t break a pane of glass and the Yankees can’t hit him.
You cannot have the lofty goals that the New York Yankee Organization set and keep two struggling rookie pitchers in the starting rotation. Ian Kennedy will be a fine pitcher someday, but that isn’t 2008. He needs experience at his talent level and that’s not MLB level right now.
He is overmatched right now and it may affect his confidence negatively.
Hughes has much, much better stuff than Ian. He has the talent right now to get MLB hitters out, but will still struggle with confidence and command.
the bullpen is not fried. look at the innings pitched… It is not true.. abeledanjo giving them 8 innings has helped.
look at there innings……
ok that was a better inning
19 pitches , 11 strikes… not bad
Kennedy will probably need another 20+ pitches to get through the 4th. That would put him close to the century mark. Therefore, I’m betting he doesn’t go out there again for the 5th.
Leadoff hits are good.
Hey if Ian can go 2 more than it wont be so bad…
One thing about this “teammates should be talking to Kennedy” stuff…..
EVERYBODY, Giardi, Eiland, Pettitte, Moose, etc, talks to the young pitchers. All the time, as a matter of fact. However, its up to the player to perform.
That’s why its so tough to be a MLB player. I don’t think Ian Kennedy wants to walk 4, give up 3 runs, and throw 75 pitches in 3 innings. Yet, that’s what happened.
Why? A variety of reasons.
Right now, I see a kid, unlike Hughes and Chamberlain, who is really lacking in confidence right now. His mound presence is tentative, he pitches tentatively and its clear he doesn’t trust his stuff. In other words, he’s pitching like a 23 year old rookie.
It just may be that right now, the expectations he feels are too much for him to pitch effectively at the ML level.
This is where player development comes in. Do you have him work it out in NY (awfully tough to do) or do you have him go to Scranton in a less pressurized enviornment to work out his issues?
ian still has a chance to go 5 with 3 runs and get a W. its not all that gloomy this guy’s about to get a-bombed.
The Yankees have really tinkered with the careers and the lives of three pretty talented pitchers by bringing them up to the Big Team to back up and support their older pitchers.
First they put Joba in the bullpen – pitching 2 to 3 innings almost every day and now he has a hamstring problem.
IPK and Hughes are in the rotation and not doing well. They don’t get very far into the game and use up a lot of pitches.
In their desperate quest for a World Series ring, the Yankees are ruining some young lives. Cashman et.al. don’t seem to care at all about the athletes, just the titles for the Yankees.
What’s going on here? Is this sports?
“Even if we had a long reliever on the team right now, that guy would be gassed after the last turn through the rotation.”
This is what I keep saying.
Any manager who doesn’t get consistent starting pitching is going to look really suspect in his bullpen management.
2-run hr coming up shortly…
Is Buck really talking about A-Rod’s postseasons in APril?
The game is not over by any means. It is only three runs and six innings left.
But, it is critical for Kennedy to pitch a couple more effective innings. If not, irrespective of the outcome of the game, he will be replaced by Rasner in the rotation.
Yanks always struggle against no-name young pitchers. It’s been that way for as long as I can remember…
im feeling it right here, the yanks are about to bust out a crooked number here.
SJ- I am talking about speaking to him about ignoring what is said on tv radio etc. It is easy for us to say ignore it. But that is what he needs to learn to do. He can’t let what people who can hide behind a phone, or a keyboard bother him.
nice job working the count Alex…SHUT UP TIM !
Jason will tie this game up.
Kennedy giving up 3 runs in 3 innings wouldn’t be a huge deal if we had any semblence of an offensive attack. Well 2 on, no outs for the Big G. Can he do it again?
“im feeling it right here, the yanks are about to bust out a crooked number here.”
I do too
A-Rod is flexing his leg on first again
Did Giambi just curse?
Wouldn’t it ironinc if Giambi hits one out here!
When did Joba pitch 3 innings?
Annie…
I think Joba has pitched a total of 9 innings or so this year… so uh, 2-3 innings everyday is a huge exaggeration.
Did anyone hear what Ken Rosenthal said on the pre-game show? I missed it, but here is what was posted on another board I visit:
**Ian apparently told Ken that it’s hard for him and Phil to get settled in New York because every time he turns on a tv they’re under the microscope.***
Ian should not have said that. It opens himself up to attack by the media but, more importantly, opposing teams. Ian should stay away from newspapers and the radio. Too bad he brought Phil into it, but I’m sure he didn’t mean to.
Phil has been through this somewhat in the big leagues and pitched wonderfully in the biggest game of the Yankees season to that point last year. He never looked scared, never looked like he didn’t belong. I’m got the idea that during Phil’s recent struggles, he never lost confidence; he knows he’s got the stuff to do very well up here and he’s been keeping the faith. Fortunately, Phil seems hardwired to tune everything out around him, including any dumb Hank quotes or pressures by the media. Ian, it seems, is made of different stuff.
Sowers is falling back alot
Duncan time. 3 run bomb?
Oh man, Duncan was trying to go yard on that pitch.
“First they put Joba in the bullpen – pitching 2 to 3 innings almost every day and now he has a hamstring problem.”
Hey Annie, have you ever actually watched a Yankees game?
big at bat here for shelley. game coud take a big turn right here, even with a walk
Betsy,
Agree…they should take a cue from Joba…
Man, Shelly is swinging for the fences. He is a violent looking guy.
Dannnng, good hit by Shelley but no dice.
WHY ARE JETER AND AROD NOT TAGGING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOD THIS TEAM IS LAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok Morgan you get to be the first hero.
How much harder can the Yankees hit this guy w/o scorign a darn run?
Does Shelley know that he doesnt always have to hit a homerun?
Ha. McCarver called Shelley “Chris” Duncan.
He has to be worse than Joe Morgan.
trying to pull a homer on an outside pitch wasnt the way to go there, shel.
mistaking him for chris or delmon and dmitri young for bj and dustin upton isnt that big a sin.
Yamks should make Joba a starter, so we fans have something to look forward to every 5 days…
Galarraga no hits thru 5.
solid inning boys.
Good eye.
Yeah Myrtlebeach Morgan wasnt bad last time out. McCarver is giving him a big time run for his money here today. And Morgan doing his best to be a yankee and watching strike 3 sail on by. What a waste of an inning.
This team is just not fun to watch right now. They really can’t get out of their own way in any aspect…
horrible inning job by Ensberg and Giambi.
Ensberg is pretty pathetic up there at the plate. I’d rather have a struggling Cano than him up there.
Gonzo can play 3rd. He’s a fantastic defensive player.
this game is just ugh.
Joe Morgan that is, not MOrgan ensburg.
why are the yankees, so bad?
i dont get it… i mean they seem like they would at least be decent. but they are freaking terrible, holy crap…
everytime theres RISP they cant do anything. then when the other team has a RISP they jack in runs all day… i dont get it, why are they choking sooo much?
SOMEONE EXPLAIN!!!
This is just the worse offensive team in the league..
Either Kevin Long needs to be fired or these guys need a “smack” up side the head. If they want to watch pitches, then ask to be traded and go play for another team.
This is just sooooooooooooooooooooooo freakin’ frustrating. How does a team with this much “talent on paper” suck so consistently.
The bottom of the lineup/bench players are really giving us that “spark” we needed.
What a joke. Girardi should be ashamed of himself. I know guys need days off. But you don’t sit half your starting lineup on the same day. You just don’t. There is no reason for it.
exactly what i was raling about this morning. the offense seems lifeless lately and now the scrubs look just as stale. no energy on this team.
The other problem with developing young pitching at the ML level is the lack of offense.
Going into the year, I’m sure the Yankees didn’t think they wouldn’t hit. They probably figured they would be giving their young arms enough runs to work out the growing pains.
Unfortunately, it hasn’t worked out that way. This team doesn’t hit and doesn’t show any signs of hitting.
They sure as heck aren’t going to score 968 runs like last year. The question then becomes, how much better does the pitching have to be to support a team that isn’t hitting as much as they did in the past?
Scouting report on Shelley Duncan: Throw junk low and away.
Maybe I’ll just go back to watching the draft.
Kennedy is scaring me a little bit
chicago dave: i was just thinking the same thing you posted a moment ago. they are sort of a boring team right now. it is still very early in the season and the hope is that they will mesh together at the right time in the season rather than start strong and falter towards the end. a long season
ensberg sucks let’s be real. the guy can only hit a fastball and he fits the yankee profile the yanks need to change a guy who cannot move at all….
I like GOnzalez guys who can move and K alot less..
To many K’s in this lineup so far this season.
BTW they will make the playoffs it is just going to be a long painful ride and there team will have about 5 nw faces in 90 days or so and they are mostly playing in SWB…
dennis, read my posts about what they should have done this winter on the last thread.
Pathetic, yet again. But if you think about it, it would be a miracle to score more than 2 runs with this lineup. Add that to the fact that they normally suck against young pitchers and there you have it, another ridiculous showing by the Yankees.
The Yankees need to find a little of the magic they had at the end of 2007. It seems right now it was all spent last year with the kids.Maybe it will all come back but right now it is all gone. Somebody had these kids believing in themselves last year and now it is almost all gone.
“They sure as heck aren’t going to score 968 runs like last year. The question then becomes, how much better does the pitching have to be to support a team that isn’t hitting as much as they did in the past?”
This is a better hitting team than last year. You can’t really think they will be bad for the rest of the season?
Dennis,
They may be struggling but they’re only what, 2.5 games back?
Red Wings are hammering the Ave’s… even that game sucks.
How can you have your 2 best hitters on the bench today?
I don’t care that the guy throws with his left hand, you gotta have Matsui and Abreu in there. I thought Girardi was gonna go with whoever was hot, apparently not. This is horrible.
This game is not over yet. The veterans have to step forward though.
Jeremy Sowers is a classic case of a young pitcher being called up too soon. He basically is a LH Kennedy.
Two years ago, the Indians called him up and put him in the rotation. He bombed big time and ended up spending over a year and a half in AAA before being called up for this start.
He looks more comfortable because he’s more experienced this time around.
That may have to be the route with Kennedy. We shall see.
The dumbest thing in the world when talking baseball is for folks to call for the firing of the hitting coach when the team isn’t hitting.
Do you think Kevin Long is telling the team not to hit?
Folks, if you want to assign blame, assign it correctly.
Players play. If they aren’t playing well, that’s on them, not the coaches.
Once you step into the batters box, there isn’t anything a coach can do to help them at that point.
Kennedy is starting to breeze along.
You know what IPK really needs? It’s to have no expectations. It’s the guys without expectations that are allowed to pitch longer and get out of their own jams.
Patience, Growing Pains.
“another ridiculous showing by the Yankees.”
Can we wait until the game is over and then call it a ridiculous showing? Just for fun.
Matsue and Abreu would crush this guy…I don’t care what hand he throws with!
Girardi: “I believe in my guys.”
Willie Randolph is gonna sue.
“You cannot have the lofty goals that the New York Yankee Organization set and keep two struggling rookie pitchers in the starting rotation. ”
lathamjoe-
couldn’t agree more. one beauty of being older is we remember the lofty goal part. this is hard to watch right now.
SJ they will not score 968 runs this yr. like last and they can be a better team even if they score in the high 800’s.. they should have a better pen then last yr., therestarting pitching at the end of the day should be better then last yr. and therefore they should be better off…
Arod and Jorge will have lesser #’s but I expect damon and melky to improve and most of the other guys to be in the neighborhood of last yrs. prodcution.
I like that Girardi is using his bench more then the Yanks have done in previous yrs.
The last two innings were great. hopefully kennedy can build on that now.
I have to agree w/ Chicago Dave and Yankeenate, this team has become a struggle to watch a lot of the time, much to my dismay. I don’t believe that they’ll continue to not hit forever though, and also once we get more length from starters on a regular basis, the pitching will make the offense look better and then the offense will in turn get going and make the pitching look better.
it’ll happen…but they have been difficult to watch in the meantime. Knowing how good Kennedy CAN BE just makes it all that harder to watch him nibble, go to 3-2 on every batter, etc. And the offense, don’t even get me started…
3rd inning PT/S 19-8
4th inning PT/S 12-6
good job Ian getting over the bat shy crap
There we go! Let’s make it another inning, Kennedy. Let’s see if he can salvage this start. It looks like he’s going out their and learning from his 2nd inning. Hopefully those lessons can carry through beyond this game rather than having to relearn them on his next start.
Kennedy actually has a chance at a respectable outing if Girardi lets him pitch the 5th. He’s at 89 pitches now so its probably 50/50. My guess is that he starts the inning and they play it by ear from there.
He may be pitching for his job right now. If he ends this game strong I think he gets another big league start. I certainly don’t think Rasner replacing him in the rotation next turn is a given.
Dynasty from Destiny – Phil is his own guy, he’s completely different than Joba, but he’s just as mentally tough. I have zero worries about him even when he struggles. Part of the reason for Ian’s crises of confidence, I think, is that he just doesn’t have the stuff of the other two. Of course, that’s just part of it. I really don’t know that much about Ian, but I already know from Joba and Phil that these kids are pretty special as to their makeup.
Ian needs a huge hug from Cano and Melky when he comes out of the game. That is what he needs. And I’m not kidding even a little bit. Someone show confidence in him… he doesn’t have it for himself.
nypd-
how’d you like watching timlin pitching in tampa last night? nice pen.
Something that I think would help Kennedy alot is a lead to pitch with. We saw how well he pitched w/the lead in Tampa. Although in his cup of coffee last year he pitched well in close games too, which I believe he can do again after a brief AAA stint.
Time to get Matsui and Bobby off the bench. This offense is pathetic.
You would hope they aren’t this bad all year but they all look lost at the plate. That doesn’t cure quickly.
They are just taking bad pitches.
Are we going to see Matsui or Abreu in this game or what?
actually correction
4th inning
PT/S 13-8
still improvement, keep it up Ian
Is it my imagination or is Matsui getting a lot more days off than he used to?
for a pitcher as young as IPK this isn’t a disasterous start if he can get through five
you got to put this game on your offense to provide any kind of spark
Patrick,
What makes you think they are a better hitting team than last year? Are you serious?
Will they be this bad all year? I don’t know. I do know I don’t see Posada hitting .338 this year or Arod hitting 54 HR’s. Two reasons why they were so explosive last year.
I don’t see Damon and Giambi recreating their past success.
Really, who in the lineup do you see having a career year? Melky and perhaps Abreu are the only guys in the lineup who have shown any consistency so far this year.
Who knows, maybe it will change. Or, maybe it won’t.
To say this is a better offensive team than last year, given what they have shown so far this year (which is all we have to go on right now) is not supported by any facts. Its just hope right now.
The curse just hit… RISP… that means a strike out, DP or fly out by one of the next two hitters.
Ok 2 guys on again. Can we actually come through this time? Come on Melky !!!
Gonzo is hard to strikeout , if people read his stats
in 1,613 ABs he has only 192 SO
Sowers shutting this team out is disgusting
I still think Ian needs some time back in AAA, but kudos to the kid for pulling himself together and stringing together two decent innings after that horrible second inning. He will be a good major league pitcher down the road, but he definitely needs more seasoning in the minors rather than being in the starting rotation right now.
Much better by Kennedy..
come on. we need some runs
i have tons of problems with the yankees hitting/defense but i think the pitching staff is going to work out pretty good. kennedy didnt get burned too bad here, and he had nothing out there. sometimes thats just the thing you need to get it going.
yanks are going to win this game.
You can already tell this game is over. These guys have no fight.
Sowers is always one pitch away from getting out of it.
wow that DP sucked the life out of that rally.
Another fine hitting inning from the Powerhouse of the East.
Fantastic Yans… Just Fantastic.
Yankees 6 hits, Cleveland 4. Comes back to RISP again. Not sure why that’s been such a struggle this year.
Do I have to wait ’till the end of the game to say this is horrible?
The K’s and DP’s are killing this offense this year.
Its not only not as good as last year, its one of the worst offenses in the league right now.
Nobody could have thought that would be the case this year.
If this team doesn’t hit, I don’t care what their young pitchers do, they won’t win.
For better or worse, its a offensive first team. When they don’t hit, everything else just comes apart at the seams.
Right now, its a very poor offensive baseball team. Especially with RISP.
It seems like the Yanks don’t give any run support to Kennedy…does anyone have a stat handy?
anti mussina more shrewd comments from a clown.
Cashman is the guy who wants to stop wasting the $$$$$$$and build from ithin so please go back to sleep.
next yr. we will have rid ourselves of this waste and save a fortune; gone re giambi, moose, kyle, abreu(good player but not $17 mill and getting old and soft), pavano, haWKINS, AND probably Pettitte.. that is over $70 Mill…
who will I dislike with no more giambi, kyle, and Moose??? Tough but there will be at least 1 overpaid waste on the team…..
Their numbers with RISP seemed to be getting better for a couple of games, but now are back to abysmal.
Does anyone know off the top of their head where the Yankees rank in terms of DPs grounded into?
I’d be shocked if we weren’t top 3 in the majors
Whatever happened to bunting? When you’re having a hard time moving guys over or making something happen when you get a few guys on base, then it seems to me like a good bunt might help provide a spark. Especially since Girardi is essentially an NL guy…I don’t get why they aren’t bunting a bit more.
Guerrero broke up the no hitter after 5 2/3.
I guess melky came up big, apropos since they are hitting so well so far this yr. with RISP..
they are a frustrating team big time…
I have two TV’s, and am watching auto racing and the NFL Draft.
Says a lot about this year’s Yankee team.
miggs,
I would also like to see a stat of how the Yanks rank in Pop Outs. I would be truly suprised if we werent up there as well.
you do not bunt with 1 out and a man on 2nd down by 3 runs..NO WAY…
another after the fact stupid comment by a uninformed fan.
CLASSIC
“I have two TV’s, and am watching auto racing and the NFL Draft.
Says a lot about this year’s Yankee team.”
Actually, that says a lot about you. Auto Racing? You are obviously not a true Yankee fan. I watched 140 games in 1990 when they came in last place. I’d rather watch my team get shut out every night then ever watch auto racing.
look at ensberg gettin’ all nettles on us!
nice catch by Ensburg! Just turned on the game- good to see Shelley back.
“Yankees 6 hits, Cleveland 4. Comes back to RISP again. Not sure why that’s been such a struggle this year.”
That and the fact that Kennedy walked 2 guys in the second inning. It’s not on the hits, but the walks always kill you.
For some crazy reason I’m not entirely worried about the Yankees. The lineup hasn’t really been consistent since day one with all of the injuries. Once the same lineup starts going out there on a consistent basis the Yankees will start looking like the Bombers again.
on gamecast it shows the cleveland hits. not a well hit ball yet. maybe ian will understand walks will kill you.
last yr in 19 innings he threw strike a ton of strikes, young pitchers will drive you crazy..
“next yr. we will have rid ourselves of this waste and save a fortune; gone re giambi, moose, kyle, abreu(good player but not $17 mill and getting old and soft), pavano, haWKINS, AND probably Pettitte.. that is over $70 Mill…”
Let me put it this way…. if Abreu has an average year by his standards and doesn’t want an outrageous contract (4-5 years) the Yankees better re-sign him. The way this offense is right now, you can’t afford to lose Abreu’s bat. He is critical to what they do. All those that feel its a foregone conclusion that Abreu is gone after this year are badly mistaken.
“Actually, that says a lot about you. Auto Racing? You are obviously not a true Yankee fan. I watched 140 games in 1990 when they came in last place. I’d rather watch my team get shut out every night then ever watch auto racing.”
– Man Jeff, you sound like a good time.
On a positive note, I am really happy to have Ensberg on the team. That was a nice pickup by Cash.
stuart -
It was a general comment, and a valid one. Only a braying jackass like yourself would pop off about it. Guess you’re a big proponent of playing base-to-base and waiting for the big HR, huh? Damn, that’s worked GREAT for us lately, hasn’t it? Idiot…
Hi Amanda!
jeff nj: yes, I have picture in picture in picture in picture in picture in picture in picture in picture and I’m watching The Godfather, Casino, Heat, Goodfellas, No Country For Old Men, Cars, a rerun of Modern Marvels on the History Channel and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang along with the Yankee game. I can still tell this team is sucking right now.
Any questions?
if i told you kennedy goes 5 and gives up 3 before this game started, everyone here would have said, good deal, i’ll take it and thats a win.
all the walks and shaky control notwithstanding, he kept his team in the game with a chance to win, had there been any run support. you’d like to see 6 or 7 innings but 5ip with 3er is good enough for a rookie.
Jeff, more like not wanting to get my hopes up for a team that never hits pitching they’ve never seen before.
Abreu is 34, his power has been down.. it if would sign a 1 or 2 yr deal maybe, again he is a very good player so I am not comparing him to jason and the other wastes but they need to get more athletic.
they need to defensively take runs away on occasion not just hit HR’s.
the mix is still not right on this team…
NYPD, I understand you are a negative blogger, put on this earth to make Yankee fans feel bad. Fine. However, do the good people of the NYPD a favor and change your name. You disrespect New York’s Finest with that tag. Change to Anti-something, or Al Qaeda or so other enemy organization.
3rd inning PT/S 19-8
4th inning PT/S 13-8
5th inning PT/S 16/9
Ian shows he can throw strikes finally …
Gotta hand it to Kennedy, he did a good job of getting us through the 5th. Now if only we could hit with men on base.
“next yr. we will have rid ourselves of this waste and save a fortune; gone re giambi, moose, kyle, abreu(good player but not $17 mill and getting old and soft), pavano, haWKINS, AND probably Pettitte.. ”
Why would we want to rid ourselves of Pettitte? I think we all better hope the allure of pitching in the new Stadium is enough to make him want to come back next year. He can still pitch & we still need him.
3rd inning PT/S 19-8
4th inning PT/S 13-8
5th inning PT/S 16-9 *
Ian shows he can throw strikes finally …
I think this game is now on the batters. Ian Kennedy turned in an ok start, all things considered, I’m unsure if he should take the heat if they lose this one. The batters just aren’t scoring when they need to. But hopefully they can do something here, they’ve been hitting Sowers, maybe it’s only a matter of time before the levee breaks.
Ian rebounded to pitch very well for the last few innings. This is an excellent way to give the kid some confidence for his next time out. His stuff is definitely looking a lot better than it has.
This is something to build on.
Well, for all the talk about sending Kennedy down to AAA he actually pitched a better game then Pettitte pitched yesterday.
It’s not like Cleveland has been killing the ball. Two of the hits were bloops that fell in.
Kennedy has to learn to stop walking people and learn to trust his stuff. 3 runs in 5 innings is not bad at all. He just has to learn to throw strikes which I think he will.
this is a win i can feel it!
dave the dick you do not bunt down by 3 runs with one out. it is the classic whine and 2nd guess that losers like you live for.
Melky is hitting 2nd not 9th, they are down by 3 runs etc.
your comment just shows you know nothing about baseballl..
sorry if I call a moron a moron. try to use your brain next time… try it you may like it…
And if anyone would have counted the number of pix in pix I proclaimed to be watching, you’d realize I was one pic short.
Sorry Yank fans!
Nice to see Kennedy settle down – Yankee offense at fault now.
la de friggin’ da
“NYPD, I understand you are a negative blogger, put on this earth to make Yankee fans feel bad. Fine. However, do the good people of the NYPD a favor and change your name. You disrespect New York’s Finest with that tag. Change to Anti-something, or Al Qaeda or so other enemy organization.”
– See now you are just trying too hard Jeff. Now I’m Al-Quaeda? LOL.
Maybe you should spend less of your time watching 140 games of last place baseball and try to go out, have a drink, get laid. You seem to be wound rather tightly.
Yeah, with the way Kennedy was laboring in the 2nd, tbh I thought he’d never see the 5th. Good job by him limiting the damage…now if only the offense could come back and do something!!
Maybe IPK just saved himself from AAA (at least for one more start) with those last three innings of work…
“SIGN BONDS ALREADY!”
If the Yankees didn’t have 4 guys for 3 spots (Damon, Abreu, Cabrera, Matsui) I think I would seriously consider bringing Bonds on board. I’ll probably be killed for saying this, but I wouldn’t be opposed to the move.
Yeah the guy is a jackass. He’s moody, selfish, all those things. But he’s just sitting at home. I think the fact that 30 teams have passed on him might have humbled him a bit. He’s got records he’s chasing. The guy is still a monster. With all the veterans and no-nonsense attitude of the Yankees, I don’t think he’d be a problem in the clubhouse.
I will say this. If Damon, Matsui, or Cabrera goes down for the year with an injury, he’d be the first guy I’d call.
ugh…just what I want to see. Hawkins warming in the pen.
jesus christ Derek !
Latroy Hawkins warming up?
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is looking more interesting…
Why wouldnt we stay with Kennedy here? He has settled down and is throwing strike and has had 3 1-2-3 innings in a row.
I think we are conceding this game by bringing in Hawkins.
“Maybe you should spend less of your time watching 140 games of last place baseball and try to go out, have a drink, get laid.”
Well in NYC where clubs/lounges/bars etc. don’t close until 4AM a person could definitely watch 162 games and still go out and have a good time.
Arod heating up.
Excellent.
I think Abreu is a solid contributor to the team. If he has his usual year, and you can sign him for 2-3 years, I’d do it. He’s the perfect #3 hitter in a good lineup.
Giambi, Farnsworth, and Mussina? The sooner the Yankees rid themselves of those contracts, the better. That’s why the off-season holds such promise.
Kennedy did a nice job settling down. But, 5 innings, 105 pitches and 3 runs? Not good enough.
JMO but, I would send him to AAA and see if he can figure it out there. His outings are just too taxing on an already tired and banged up bullpen.
They can put Bruney on the 60 Day DL, which frees up the roster space for Rasner.
Insert Rasner into Kennedy’s spot in the rotation and go from there.
You can see Kennedy has talent. He’s just not ready right now to be a consistent contributor at the ML level right now.
com’on Shelley !
I was all about Bringing Bonds in weeks ago and I got killed on this board.
And I mean killed.
“Why wouldnt we stay with Kennedy here? He has settled down and is throwing strike and has had 3 1-2-3 innings in a row.”
He’s thrown over 100 pitches thus far.
“To say this is a better offensive team than last year, given what they have shown so far this year (which is all we have to go on right now) is not supported by any facts. Its just hope right now.”
Actually you are wrong. Yes it is doubtful that A-rod or Posada will put up the same numbers but it is also likely that Damon, Abreu, Matsui, Melky and Giambi will put up improved numbers. THey all had down years last year and thus far they have all shown improvement (except Giambi). In addition our bench is much much better than last year. If you think that Cano, Posada, Damon and Giambi will slump for the rest of the year then there is no hope for you and this argument is pointless.
You can’t look at the results thus far, think about this logically. Look at every position and it’s comparison to last year and you will see that the likely scenario is a better offensive output.
“Well in NYC where clubs/lounges/bars etc. don’t close until 4AM a person could definitely watch 162 games and still go out and have a good time.”
ray 1
NYPD 0
…….good point sir! Although it says he’s from NJ.
would love to see the explosion right here so ian could get the win but it will probablly come an inning or two too late for him, but it is coming…..
You’ve got to be freakin’ kidding me by mentioning Bonds as a Yankster.
But he would divert that nasty ol’ ny media attention away from Hughes and Kennedy…
YankeesChick – what you doing tonight? I’m in LA for the next few days…
Ahh, Stuart, you’re witty banter is always so amusing. Poor John McGraw would roll over in his grave if he could read the garbage that you type. No place for bunting in modern baseball, eh? Um, yeah, right…Best of luck with that. Again, standing on the bases and waiting for grand slams has worked out marvelously for the Yanks, hasn’t it? Yes, yes, let’s just keep doing that…
As for your nicknames…Well, “sticks and stones” as the saying goes. If you had more than a grade school education, you would doubtless come up with something better. But I forgive you your foibles…
Ian’s performance after the 2nd is a little encouraging. He probably just saved his job for at least another start. If we can’t score a run or two here with 2 on and 1 out again then we’re in trouble.
I’d rather lose 120 games this year than sign Bonds.
ok shelley, put that homer swing back in the bat rack, we need a line drive single here
Bases loaded, 1 out. Please, please, no DP.
do they PH for Ensberg w/ Cano and move Gonzo to 3B ?
This is the game, right here…
You HAVE to PH Cano for Ensberg here.
I’ll be upset if we don’t. I don’t want to lose this game b/c Ensberg GIDP, I want it to be with our best out there.
If the Yanks don’t score a run with one out and bases loaded, I’m going to change my “name (required)” to SJ44 and start making some sense on this blog.
score please…. power outage in upstate ny
Kennedy is at 105 pitches or so. I guess they think that is his max…anti mussina The guy who posted f-ck 10 minutes is telling me about decorum..
CLASSIC..
Yes, PH Cano pls.
Who does Cleveland have coming in?
Bases loaded for Ensberg. I sure wish it was based loaded for Matsui Or Abreu or Posada or even Cano.
Oh wait a minute what did I just do? I just listed our entire bench today.
Let’s do some damage hot damn it!
“Ryan
I’d rather lose 120 games this year than sign Bonds.”
now thats just stupid.
With the way this game has gone today, you gotta feel like the Yankees have to get it done right now or it’s not going to happen. It would be awesome if they could score some runs here and maybe put Ian Kennedy in the position to win this game. And I think the bottom line is if they don’t get it done here, you blame the offense, not Ian Kennedy. Ian Kennedy’s job was to put them in a position to win the game, and here it is, they’re in the position, in the game, and it’s there for the taking… I think Kennedy did a nice job taking into consideration the fact that he couldn’t get a break.
Cano is struggling, I’d rather see Matsui.
Hmm..it seems like Kennedy has earned another start. I was calling for him to be sent down to AAA but he really did settle down. I would make the gamble and see what happens by giving him another start. You don’t want to send him down if he’s going to make it work out there.
Jensen Lewis coming in – I’ll take a PHer right about now
cano is so good with bases loaded they must use him..
LOOK at his #’s they are scary, the guy has no patience and wants to be a hero and not accept what the pitcher gives him..
come on Robbie
our wish is granted!
Per Gameday Cano is PHing
There is no way Kennedy gets sent down to AAA after this start, nor should he. He walked too many guys in the 1st and second innings but other than that he looked good. All three runs scored on a combination of walks and bloop singles. The walks are troublesome but he really settled down after the second inning.
Also, I don’t like this pinch hitting move at all.
he may get a hit but if he swings at the 1st pitch it will be classic cano
rather see Matsui here
and bring up who? Horne? McCuthchen?
okay boys and girls, 2 hours of people whining about girardi’s linuep now hes got every possible good matchup sitting on his bench and the bases loaded and they’re into the tribes bullpen in the 6th.
sit, watch and enjoy the Bronx Bombers do that bronx bomber thing they do so well…
Bad call
F%$#
Come on, that was a ball.
I don’t care if it’s Cano…a pinch hitter that’s batting .150?
Anyone thinks that new contract for Cano has anything to do with his struggles?
Cano needs to be aware of this ump’s strike zone.
It’s almost sad how Yank fans live and die with each pitch.
We sound like Red Sox fans.
Is this cathartic?
I am not impressed, not a smart move by Girardi at ALL.
Patrick,
I don’t think Giambi or Damon come close to producing big offensive numbers. Mainly because I think they are on the downside of their careers and aren’t getting better.
Cano just looked another called strike 3 with RISP.
Still think they are going to be a better offensive team than last year?
Right now, I’d settle for them to be an average offensive team right now. They aren’t even that.
That was a monster strikeout.
OK – all up to Jorge now
If Posada doesn’t come through here, Girardi will look stupid
c’mon Jorge
HIP HIP
Girardi made the right moves they did not work out. Cano needs a lobotomy, he is so talented but so stupid it is scary
wow, i would have used matsui instead of cano, but i definatly would have used matsui instead of posada here….
YEH GEORGY !~!!!!
“I was all about Bringing Bonds in weeks ago and I got killed on this board.
And I mean killed.”
I figured I’d catch some wrath for saying that too, but its a moot point right now. We have 4 guys for 3 spots. Now if someone gets hurt, like I said, that’s a different story.
HIP HIP….JORGE!!!!!!!!
bphill, guess Girardi’s a genius now
Girardi genius.
What a hit! What a misplay!
Allah…er…Jorge Be Praised!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes! Tie game. Someone tell Ryan, he’s watching auto racing.!
oh God, Posada, thank you. I thought he was going to get to it. A great hit.
Thank you, Jorge
HIP HIP
That’s what I’m talking about!!!!!
Giradi looks?
Good
HIP HIP !!!
Hip Hip
Love Shelley’s dugout high-fiving. YOU’RE MY BOY BLUE!!!
hitter’s pitch on the way…
hahahahahaha %$%^$&$%&^%&^!!!!!!! offense for a change!!
posada with a thing of beauty…
Announcer is totally right. You can’t dive for that ball with 3 men on. you gotta let it drop and take 1 or 2.
JORGE!!!!!!!!! Can I get a HIP HIP
HIP – HIP ………..JORGE !!!
lets go Gonzal— ooo well
again Giradi still made the right moves work out or not…
CLOWNS goodnight..
DO NOT BRING IN HAWKINS!
I picked a good time to get home and flip on the game. Go Yanks!
So, did anyone else take the over on Kennedy going 4.2 innings, or was it just me?
This just shows you how freakin twisted the Baseball Gods are…. if that LF had not played for the Yankees, it would have been caught.
But because Delucci played for the Yankees, he is cursed by association…
Interesting quandry for the Gods… continue to punish the Yankees with RISP or let the ball drift just out of the reach of a former Yank…
yeah baby!!!!!!!!!
damn, that girardi is a freakin genius!
Huge hit by Posada. And we caught a break. I can’t believe that guy tried to dive for it.
Brand new ball game folks!!!
The question is: Who are we going to see in the bullpen today? It’ll be interesting to see what Girardi does.
Kennedy gets a no-no.
Latroy time.
“Does anyone know off the top of their head where the Yankees rank in terms of DPs grounded into?
I’d be shocked if we weren’t top 3 in the majors”
Don’t have team statistics on this.
But so far this year there are roughly 240 players who are hitting into DP’s at higher rates than the league average.
Of those 240 players only 5 are yankees – Posada, Melky, Giambi, Molina, and Jeter.
And Jeter is barely above league average.
Compared to the worst DP hitters in baseball the yankees aren’t particularly bad.
let Kennedy pitch!
I think Robi has a double waiting later in this game
Thanks be to God for the defensively-challenged DeLucci in Left!
i said ian would go 6 2/3 earlier. not that thats gonna happen either.
I’m no fan of Hawkins, either, but it’s not like Joe really has a lot of other options out there, does he?
either Girardi is an idiot, or david delluci is just dumb.
I would let Kennedy pitch this inning but we most likely will see Hawkins god save us here
They couldn’t bring Kennedy out for the 6th. He was up to 105 pitches.
Now, it gets dicey.
My favorite Yankee L. Hawkins is pitching.
“If Posada doesn’t come through here, Girardi will look stupid”
He’ll look stupid for pinch hitting for Molina with Posada? And pinch hitting for Ensberg with Cano? Are you freakin kidding me?
Hawkins will blow this game. I would’ve felt much better with IPK for another inning. Not sure who to trust in this pen besides Mo.
“Interesting quandry for the Gods… continue to punish the Yankees with RISP or let the ball drift just out of the reach of a former Yank…”
Pepper – You are a poet! I loved that line…
Vintage Hawkins….
Hawkins sucks.
I could just slap this fool right now !
Wow, a prompt walk. Not a good thing.
c’mon Hawkins
ugh @ Latroy
I think Hawkins is so angry at the fans for booing him that he is trying to lose game on purpose.
Bring in Chris Britton please. Hawkins doesn’t throw strikes, and when he does he sends them over the middle of the plate. The guy stinks.
Surprise surprise lead-off walk.
Is Chris Britton ever going to get a chance?
Nice for Posada, but I can’t believe they put Cano in to PH there.. His career stats with bases load is under .230 and he’s batting 150 so far and in the middle of a slump. With both Bobby and Matsui on the bench, they were much better calls. Both are hitting very well, both are good clutch hitters, and the outfield could be easily shuffled for each.
Bad call by Girardi there.. Also, I notice cleveland bunted with 1st and 2nd and no outs and scored, but Girardi lets giambi swing away? He might be getting hot but is currently under .200 and it was lefty vs lefty? Sorry, but I haven’t been impressed lately with his managing. Its the same gripes I had with Torre… Too much consideration for the players, and not what’s best for the team.
You can only trust Joba and Mo…
I would let almost anyone in the pen but Hawkins pitch this inning. Is Albie unavailable today?
HUGE HIT BY POSADA
You know he’s bad when you would rather see crazy Kyle in the game.
If anyone follows football, I’m hoping San Francisco (my favorite team) picks Phillip Merling of Clemson (my current university) with the 29th pick in the draft.
Britton is not the answer
6 pitches and no strikes for Latroy, com’on man !
Well, just remember they only gave LaTroy a one-year deal. So, thankfully he’ll be gone at the end of the season (i.e. we won’t have to endure him like we’ve had to endure Farnsworth!). Look for the silver lining…
and yeah once again …FREE BRITTON
(geez, how many times in the past 365 days have I already typed that?)
Hawkins = Next long man
Bring in Ohlendorf or Britton next please.
The only hole is in his inability to be effective….
hi dynasty, sorry I walked away!
“I don’t think Giambi or Damon come close to producing big offensive numbers. Mainly because I think they are on the downside of their careers and aren’t getting better.
Cano just looked another called strike 3 with RISP.
Still think they are going to be a better offensive team than last year?
Right now, I’d settle for them to be an average offensive team right now. They aren’t even that.”
You know, sometimes you say really smart things and other times you come up with something like this.
If you don’t think Giambi will add more value with his bat then he did last year you are dead wrong, he hit .236 with 14 home runs and 39 RBIs. He will EASILY surpass that.
Damon has already looked better at the plate then he did for the majority of last year. He will easily match his numbers from last year and likely put up better numbers.
So Cano struck out and that one at-bat proves to us that the Yankees will be an average offensive team. Right. That is downright dumb. If you really think Cano will be hitting .150 all year then I’m wasting my time because you don’t know baseball.
Actually if you look at the numbers the Yankees are 15th in runs scored which is exactly average. There is no possible way they will end up worse than top 5 in the league.
Krazy Kyle really hasnt been too bad this year when he pitches only 1 inning and not on back to back days
I meant…the only hole is in his ability to be effective!!!!
Oh god Latroy… blame it on the mound. No other pitchers on either team had any problem with footing today.
Hey geo- Britton is better than Hawkins and Farnsworth. He may not be the incarnation of Cy Young but he throws strikes and gets outs. If he gets shelled fine, but if he’s on the team why does he never get a shot?
injury to latroy?
Hard to believe that Hawkins was once an effective reliever/closer for the Twins.
Giambi strikes again.
Why is Giambi going for the bunt? God he’s awful.
Giambi you are killing me!
Ouch? Wonderful defense.
um – is this a joke?? outs, please!
Giambi is just a horrible 1B
Not having a guy who can play first base comes back to bite again. That’s 6 times on this roadtrip lack of defense at first base bites them in the butt.
But, they say they don’t need defense at first base. Go figure.
Giambi, You’re Fired!
Looks like Cleveland didn’t get the memo about the bunt being a useless play… There’s no bunting in baseball anymore, you fools! Only the uninformed think there is!! LOL
SJ44,
I know it’s early in the season and the kids have inning limits, but it’s always been my belief that most starting pitchers (Mussina and Pedro excluded) should be able to throw around 120 pitchess in a game, as opposed to the new number of 100.
The difference on wear and tear on the bullpen between 5 innings and 6 innings is huge over the course of a season, let alone a game. I’m not advocating 140 pitches for a starter, but I think 120 is a fair number, especially with Kennedy who isn’t a strict power guy.
I have no problem taking Kennedy out today, but as the season wears on, I’d like to see starters be allowed to throw 115-125 pitches per game.
Hawkins is garbage.
what just happened? I’m in Cali and its blacked out here so i have it on the radio.
How could a bunt be a foul ball?
Bad call by the umps.
i wonder how doug mienkewitz is doing in pittsburgh. or phillips w/ cinicy? or just about anybody who can play a capable 1B.
Wow…Hawkins can’t catch a break…what did he do to anger the baseball gods?
did the ball go off of him?
Pooooooooooooooooooooooor managing by Girardi.
dammit Hawkins
GONZO !!!!!!
YES! I love Alberto!
What a play by Gonzo. Heads up playing.
Gonzo
GONZALEZ HOLY CRAP CRAZY PLAY
HA! Alberto Gonzalez with the play of the day!
The baseball gods have reversed their decision on Hawkins!!!!!
OH MY GOD!!!
GONZO!!!!!!
WOW!!!
But THERE is why you need youth…. The Attorney General is a freakin stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud!
Holy
I love Morgan Ensberg
Alberto has got some great defensive skills…
That attorney general can play some defense. You win one and you lose one with AG and giambalco.
oh whoops my bad haha
Justice is served ! Bad call on the bunt is made up for by a line drive DP. Love it.
forget Britton.
I (heart) Alberto Gonzalez
Wow! What a play by AG!
Ok, I am officially sold on Alberto Gonzalez. He can play any infield position, except 1b…thats Giambis position
. He can hit and he can flat out field. If there is no room for him, he is SERIOUS, Serious trade bait.
Giambi is an absolute nightmare at first base.
He cannot move and he cannot throw at all.
It is possible that he’ll start hitting more and come out of this funk.
But it is in no way reasonable to expect that he’ll be any better as a defensive player.
It’s just perplexing why he is playing first every single day when he keeps giving away run after run.
He’s horrific.
All this bunting…My oh my!!! Stuart – Class is officially dismissed!
Hey Amanda,
Good to have you back! What do you think the Yanks chances are…
how about Jeter in LF? Agon at short? Giambi selling pretzels on the concourse?
Pete, if this was Boston and we were talking about Dice-K, they would proclaim that pitching line as All-Star quality.
Gonzo’s head is always in the game. That’s why he belongs on this team. He comes to play.
See ya Betemit.
great play by gonzo
but what kind of move was that by giambi?
thought kennedy did a great job today and hopefully he can build on this
I wish Alberto was a first basemen
maybe we can move him to 1st
Now, THATS defense. It does have value.
Patrick, you are assuming guys are going to have bigger years than they did last year. I am not assuming that.
Giambi may not even be the first baseman all year. If he is, and he surpasses those numbers, and Arod drives in say 120 runs, that’s just one example of less run production.
968 runs is an awful lot of runs. Watching this team so far, I don’t see them surpassing that. If they don’t, they aren’t as good an offensive team as they were last year.
To speak as you are in saying they already are a better offensive team this year than last year is something I just disagree with. There are no signs that indicate they are. Just hope.
Hey, I hope they are too. Just not seeing it yet.
Justice is served by the AG
“It’s just perplexing why he is playing first every single day when he keeps giving away run after run.”
Girardi obviously believes Giambi brings more value with his bat then he gives away with his glove. I’m not agreeing or disagreeing but thats obviously the reasoning.
Another double by Damon, he’s heating up.
Yeah there has to be a way to work AG in more to this team’s everyday defense. Hey melky bunts go down, kthanks.
good think scooter wasnt around to see that lame bunt attempt by melky.
Dave really are you this stupid. Cleveland bunted in a tie game at home with there 7th hitter up and no outs…..
THE SCORE MATTERS WHEN DECIDING TO BUNT and HOW MANY OUTS. Really are you kidding me or you do not know that is a factor???
Was the Blake hit a line drive hit hard???
CB
I think it’s fairly simple regarding Giambi. Girardi wants his bat in the line-up, but there is no place to play him. Damon is a better left fielder and Matsui is a better DH. If you DH Giambi he’s kicking one of them out of the line-up. That means to get Giambi in games, he has to play first.
I don’t necessarily agree with the logic, but that is the rationale.
mc carver’s right now you dont bunt.
“I wish Alberto was a first basemen
maybe we can move him to 1st”
maybe he can …maybe
That was horrible Melky.
alberto is making a bid to be traded somewhere for daily play
Giants are 1 pick away from drafting….LETS GO G MEN!!!!
Awful at bat.
He’s not just the Attorney General, he’s also the judge and jury and verdict is: guilty.
Unfortunately, Melky is guilty too.
I didn’t know that Melky was this bad at bunting. I thought he would be good… Oh well.
Dynasty, oh I’m saying the Yanks are gonna win 6-4.
Cabrera, that was a nasty strike out!
wow melky way to put an at bat in the toilet
Damon has been on fire lately.
As far as the offense in general, I think they will be about or almost as good as last year’s offense. Not better, because last year we had 1 career year and 1 sick MVP year. But not more than 20-ish runs worse either.
“It’s just perplexing why he is playing first every single day when he keeps giving away run after run.”
first base is a position when it’s played well it looks so easy. when it’s not , all hell breaks loose. the ball somehow always finds the guy you’re trying to hide.
I do not want to belittle any one’s baeball knowledge, but some here really go overboard. The criticism of Girardi about Cano pinch hitting for Ensberg is unbelievable. Girardi had to take into account tne next inning fielding alignment into account. A-Rod is DHing and he is not available to fields (unless you wnat ot lose the DH. Once you take Ensberg out, you need some one who can field 3rd or 2nd and cano was the only choice on the bench. Other choice is two burn two people in one move.
GO G – MEN !!!!
stuart -
The facts are these…With only a walk and two bunts the Indians ended up with runners at second and third with less than two outs (in a tie game at home). In other words, a golden scoring opportunity that was ultimately only foiled by a great defensive play. Really, I think you’re being willfully ignorant at this point…
whew, I thought Jeter was going to cause a DP.
So who does everyone think the Giants should take?
this is a good spot for arod.
That was a terrible, terrible management call by Girardi. They were playing you to bunt. Why keep the bunt on when they were all over it? You had the corner infielders charging, he wasn’t going to give you a decent pitch to bunt…SWING!!!!!
hmmm Jets traded up for GB’s pick
Why are the Jets on the clock at 30?
I bet that right now the Jets will take a WR, I’m hoping the Giants get some secondary help, Dan Connors wouldn’t hurt, just a defensive player.
Jets should take Sweed from Texas. I like Connors for the G-Men too.
arod 3 for 20 with RISP before this AB….
Brandon Flowers I would like… for the giants.
” Why keep the bunt on when they were all over it? You had the corner infielders charging, he wasn’t going to give you a decent pitch to bunt…SWING!!!!!”
another option is not bunting or swinging at balls.
why are the G-Men picking last again…..
oh yeah, thats right…
THEY WON THE SUPER BOWL AND BEAT THE GREATEST FOOTBALL TEAM EVERY ASSEMBLED IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND AND BEYOND!
Alex said it last year and I tend to totally agree with him, he said “It always comes down to me late in the games.”
Maybe it’s just because he bats cleanup or something but late in games men on tied or down by 1 he is ALWAYS at the plate. Let’s see an A-Bomb big boy.
“This is a better hitting team than last year. You can’t really think they will be bad for the rest of the season?”
The Yankees are projected to be a significantly worse offensive team this year then they were last year.
This year the yankees are projected to score 880 runs.
Last year they scored 968 runs. So they’re projected to score 112 fewer runs.
Why is that? ARod and Posada are expected to regress back to their mean production and the older players are not expected to increase their production nearly enough to make up for the difference.
Projections are just projections so who knows what will happen.
But by the best factual evidence available going into this season the yankee offense was most likely going to be worse than it was last season.
And that projection was made before this poor start.
here we go, almost time for the GIANTSSSS
The Giants need to take that safety from Miami.
I think it’s a good sign that A Rod is fouling balls off, when he slumps he swings through pitches. Big hit coming.
The G-Men need a big time defensive back. Anybody who can cover a guy down field would be great. I have season tickets and can’t sand seeing our secondary getting torched.
Is Arod stalling out this at-bat until the Jets turn in their pick?
“There are no signs that indicate they are. Just hope.”
Has nothing to do with hope. The only players I expect to be better are Damon, Giambi, Abreu, Melky, Matsui. I expect Posada, A-rod to be worse and I expect Jeter and Cano to be the same. The only thing I’m going on is each player’s average over their career. The players I predict will be better this season all produced below their career averages. The players I think will be worse both played much better than their career numbers. I think Melky will be better because he’s young and getting better.
Finally the bench this year is stronger, all the guys can swing the bat.
I’m not hoping at all, I’m just thinking about the issue in a logical manner. If anyone has the 2008 PETCOTA projections for the Yankees I’d like to see what they are projecting our runs scored to be.
I’m breaking my tv JUMP button, going from ARODS at bat from the Giants drafting.
well that sucked.
In better news WORLD CHAMPION G-MEN are on the clock!!
Giants on the clock. What to get for a team that has everything?
Superbowl Champs on the clock.
wow. 10 hits to 5 and the game is tied. ugh just ugh.
I don’t get it Johnny Damon is at 2B he sees Martinez signaling keep it down, relay the message to your batter
giambi…….
its really official…I AM SICK of GIAMBI
3 for 21 in the clutch good start for arod, more clutch hitting with RISP…
they must be in the low 200’s as a team….
anyone know there team avg with RISP????
runners in scoring position…
That innings is an example of my point.
This is just not a good hitting baseball team.
Yet another leadoff double leading to nothing because of lack of execution. Its been a recurring theme all season and it shows no signs of getting better.
ohhh, did the Jets take the TE Seattle wanted? Maybe this increases odds of a Shockey trade?
Lets go Giants. Brandon Flowers….thats who I’m putting my money on for the Giants to pick.
CB, THanks I assume those are the PETCOTA projections. I guess I’m proven wrong but I still think this team will be as good or better offensively. Abreu and Matsui especially will be better in my opinion but we’ll see.
HERE WE GO BIG BLUE BABY !!!!!!!!!!!!
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG-MEN !!
why hate giambi and not arod he is 3 for 21 with RISP..
Wow, ridiculous, again. A-Rod swings at a pitch that bounced before home plate and Giambi gets a FB right down the middle and pops up.
oo Tex when will u come save the Yanks at 1st base
PICK IS IN
stuart,
because atleast arod battled….a 1 pitch out in that situation is totally unnecessary
lets see some more of that reese magic that put the G-Men over the top last season!
Get the hell out of here…. did he send Hawkins out there again?
Patrick,
PECOTA:
NYY 96-66, RS – 885
Wherever we can do it, we’ve got to PH Bobby at some point in the game. He’s the best at getting on base of anyone in the majors. Let’s let him do it.
Derek Jeter reinforces day in and day out why he is my favorite baseball player of all time. He’s the player that drew me from the deep, dark depths of a Red Sox family and into the light.
I’m always uncomfortable with A-Rod at the plate, never knowing what could happen. Sure, he is hurt and you can’t blame that on him, but I just feel so much more confidence with Jetes up.
And how about Damon? The guy is on FIRE right now and he has shown he can play at a high level. If he keeps hitting like this, we are golden. We’ve just got to get through the next few days while the lingering injuries disappear.
LET’S GO G-MEN!!! repeat the epic ownage of last year’s draft
tough luck inning
Hey get a load of that – Hawkins’ ERA is under 10!
how ridiculous is it Johnny Damon at 2B he sees Martinez signaling keep it down, relay the message to your batter
And this is probably gonna be the game since I doubt it Hawkins will get out of this inning without giving up a run.
“That innings is an example of my point.
This is just not a good hitting baseball team.
Yet another leadoff double leading to nothing because of lack of execution. Its been a recurring theme all season and it shows no signs of getting better.”
That inning was certainly frustrating but you can’t look at one bad inning and assume the rest of the season will go like that. Were you one of the people saying the Yankees won’t make the playoffs last May? I don’t remember but reading your other posts you don’t strike me as someone who panics easily. They might look pretty average right now but make no mistake, the Yankees will be in the top 5 in runs scored by the end of the season.
LETS GO GIANTSSS
Speaking of Vanderbilt and Buck’s mention of Sowers and Lewis being Vandy teammates:
Remember that you read this message when, next NFL season, it becomes clear the absolute steal of the NFL draft is Vandy WR Earl Bennett. He will be a star…Jerry Rice-esque game speed…broke the SEC career receptions record in only 3 seasons.
Cutler went back to Vandy to throw for Bennett during pro scout day…Bennett caught 26 out of 26 balls Cutler threw to him…If Denver gets him watch out.
Tyrell Johnson I bet
bet he steals on the first or 2nd pitch
Sorry BBB, but when faced with the option of putting a .150 hitter currently in a slump with bases loaded, I burn the two bench players rather than watching him strike out when you’re down 3-0.
or Philips
nice piece of hitting by Cabrera, ARod, and the Giambi….
Somewhere Babe Ruth just put out a hit on anyone who uses Giamibino…
Kevin Long, continue what you are doing. This team is right on track to be hitting .250 by August as team. If you are lucking they will be leading the league in leaving RISP, GIDP, Pop ups.
“If anyone has the 2008 PETCOTA projections for the Yankees I’d like to see what they are projecting our runs scored to be.”
PECOTA does not project the yankees to be a better offensive team this year.
You’re just making this up off the top of your head without any evidence.
Giambi, Damon, Abreu and Matsui are NOT projected to improve anywhere near enough to make up for ARod and Posada’s regression to their mean performance.
Here is the link. I”ve looked into the PECOTA projections especially for Giambi and Damon – they are not particularly good at all, Giambi’s in particular.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/
lead off walk – here we go again
NYG take Kenny Phillips, Safety from Miami
G-Men take safety Kenny Phillips. End of 1st round.
KENNY PHILIPS BABY !!!
kenny phillips….deal….THE U Miami!
Woohoo the Giants pick a Hurricane!
hawkins to farnsworth…..oh man i cant even take this….do you guys still want joba in the rotation this year? this is what you’ll see regularly now that bruney is gone
hell yeah the rebuilding of the secondary is in full swing now
G-Men 2PEAT!
Ha ha, SJ. You kept saying as soon as the weather changes the bats willcome alive. Now that you’re wrong about that, you’re saying they aren’t gonna hit at all. Funny stuff. They’ll hit, don’t worry. You always preach it’s early. Well, it’s early.
Funny… when you compare Kennedy’s line with Sowers, who pitched better?
Kenny Phillips!
Yeah, giving Britton a shot sure would’ve been worse than running LaTroy out there. I just don’t get it…you’ve got a new guy out there to try, LaTroy hasn’t done much lately to inspire trust…then he goes out there throwing ball after ball, and STILL…
I betcha we see Kyle next inning.
Kenny Philips for the Giants. Nice
Lets hope this one works out better than taking William Joseph from Miami.
Watching the Kenny Phillips highlights, gotta love a player with the uniform number 1. Obviously Miami must have thought highly of him.
This is a great pick, hopefully they can still get a good LB in the next round
Nice. We needed a DB and the G-Men got a good one. Glad we’re on the same page lol
Great a U of M when does he get his first jail term
Miami Hurricane, hmmmm… does this mean he’s a good character pick?
JORGE!!!!!!
MVPosada!
Sizemore got caught stealing!
Man Jorge I guess the shoulder is ok now.
FUTURE ED WADE = KENNY PHILLIPS
Joe m
April 26th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Great a U of M when does he get his first jail term
Right after his first 10 interception season
Oh Jorge, thank you!
“do you guys still want joba in the rotation this year? this is what you’ll see regularly now that bruney is gone”
yep. Every indication is he can be the Yankee Justin Verlander. You don’t waste that in the pen.
Frankly, if this is what we see without Bruney, then Girardi is stubborn or stupid. There are other interesting options. They must be given chances at the MLB level. Let’s see Britton over Hawkins. Let’s see Veras over Farnsworth.
OHHH!!! Jorge’s shoulder!!! Oh, the Yankees are lying! He’s still hurt!
Or, maybe, most of those bases were _actually_ just stolen on Traber!
P.S. TIM KEEP TALKING CRAP ABOUT GEORGY’S ARM NOW !
A little more defence.
Maybe this team is not all that bad.
THIS JUST IN …..
Giambi will be the 1st baseman for the rest of this year. His 2009 option will be picked up.
Patrick,
I don’t think they will be as good an offensive team as last year because I don’t think Arod and Posada will have the years they had last year. I also don’t believe the majority of older players who have underperformed for a few years suddenly get better. At least without chemical help. They just get older.
So far this year, what happened in the 7th inning is pretty much what we have seen all season. Lack of execution on the bunt, K’s with RISP on awful swings, which adds up to another unproductive inning.
Also, unlike last year, they don’t score much after the 6th inning in games thus far. That’s a far cry from last year.
Sure, its early. But, its a trend and its a negative trend for the Yankees.
Its especially tough for the Yankees because their season really rides on their offense. If they can’t score, their defense and pitching simply isn’t good enough to carry them this season. Its not how this particular Yankee team is constructed.
Hawkins may be “horrible” like you all say, but did you see him give up a run? Did you see a run score in the last two innings?
Did you?
????
No. Part of that is great – no amazing – defense by Gonzo and part of it is the fact that Hawkins did an excellent job holding runners which ended up allowing for Posada, with his sore arm, to throw out Sizemore.
I’m very pleased with how he pitched today, regardless of how many walks or bad pitches he made.
“Yet another leadoff double leading to nothing because of lack of execution. Its been a recurring theme all season and it shows no signs of getting better.”
I think Girardi was overmanaging there. Melky CERTAINLY shouldn’t have been bunting after the first pitch.
runs people
let’s get some runs
That’s all we need…a bizaree delivery to make it harder for them than it already is….
Once again joining up late and don’t know anything besides that the game is tied. Have’t gotten to read any posts, which isn’t always a bad thing…
Okay Yankees, you’re free to take the game now!
that was supposed to be bizarre
Seriously, is this the hot dog eater?
LOL I just noticed I was so excited I called Philips the next Ed Wade and not Ed Reed…figures
Wonder if Matsui ever faced this guy in Japan…anyone know?
Mariano DUNCAN?!?!
My god… McCarver as a commentator must be a joke that someone played a while back and it just stuck.
LMAO @ Ed Wade
Hawkins scares me. But he didn’t cough up any runs. So good job by him
did mccarver just refer to mariano duncan?
So I’m thinking we’re going to need a blast to win this. I guess I’ll go read the box score. Anyone who’d like to give me any flavor of this game, I’d certainly appreciate it.
What a lame inning…
SJ,
WHen the yankees finish the season in the top 5 in offense I’ll be back here to rub it in your face.
It sucks to see so much talent and no results like that. I wish Cano could hit at all in April.
hhaha yes he said “mariano duncan” then realized what he said and then said rivera.
“I’m very pleased with how he pitched today, regardless of how many walks or bad pitches he made.”
:-O
You have GOT to be kidding. He came out of the pen and threw ball after ball after ball. He got LUCKY.
The Yankees need to be more aggressive promoting guys who throw strikes out of the pen. Guys need to perform to keep their jobs.
If Hawkins doesn’t get bailed out by the play by Gonzalez who knows how many runs he would’ve given up….
i wonder how much cano’s slump has to do with the loss of bowa. you would hear how bowa spent alot of time with cano and probably helped keep him loose and relaxed.
I do not follow the NFL at all, I just wait for the Superbowl. But I saw Glenn Dorsey(LSU) got drafted by the Chiefs. Are they a pretty good team?
so who pitches now?
Trisha
One really bad inning for Kennedy. Lots of walks, 3 runs. Came back and settled down. 105 pitches through 5. Yanks offense has been dead. 3-3 tie on a bases loaded triple from Jorge.
Farns in, smoke em if you got em people.
No! No! No! No!
so much for farnsy being out
THROW STRIKES KYLE
Will this be the third straight inning where a reliever gives up a leadoff walk?
Come on Kyle!
I just turned the game on and am already sick of hearing McCarver’s voice.
Oh boy
come on Krazy Kyle
you SO*….
That’s fine Patrick. If they aren’t, will you admit that they aren’t as prolific an offensive team as you think they are?
Look, I hope they hit. I certainly don’t want them not to hit.
However, you look at the lineup and, it just struggles late in games. That’s unlike other years when they hit late in games.
For whatever reason, and I don’t know what it is, they just aren’t a good hitting team. I wish I knew why.
Third straight inning a relief pitcher walked the leadoff guy. That’s 8 walks in 8 innings by Yankee pitching today.
That’s just ain’t gettin’ it done.
Now it’s time to lose. Farns time. Nice start there with the 5 pitch walk.
What, precisely, has Farnsworth done to earn Girardi’s trust?
Amanda, no the Chiefs are not a good team. They just traded their best player to my Vikings, which I was pumped about. They are in rebuilding mode but may be good in 2-3 years.
Pat, thanks.
I hope everyone can STFU about Kyle and maybe get some positive energy out there. If you’re gonna bitch how about waiting until you REALLY have a reason!
he was out, no arguing needed…..
I don’t know how anybody can be “impressed” by Hawkins today. Frankly, he was terrible and only Gonzo’s amazing play saved him.
He did not pitch well at all today. Just got lucky.
We’ll take it though.
Wow, did the Yanks catch a break there!
I don’t think he has earned his trust, he just doesn’t have anyone else that is available and better to put out there right now.
Ah we caught a break, and now Wedge is gone! Ha, suckers.
oh shut up we gave you a free bunt
BFD. Bad calls happen all the time and we’re gonna have to listen to these yahoos go on and on about it?
Girardi’s affection for Farnsworth makes no sense. None.
It is just blind loyalty based on the fact that he caught him in the past, he throws 97 and he’s a “veteran.”
Why not try Britton here? At least he’s not going to walk people.
He was safe.
“Every indication is he can be the Yankee Justin Verlander. You don’t waste that in the pen.”
not only that, his use in the pen so far shows he going to be used erratically.
if he’s in the rotation, he pitches every 5 days. he’s on a routine. they can’t screw it up.
Yeah, the Blimp Cam is definitive.
Don’t blow your break, Kyle!
Right on Ump. Only you to save Farnsworth’s sorry ass.
The game is blacked out for me. Why was Wedge thrown out?
Actually if you like at Kyle’s game log, I think he has done just about everything to earn Girardi’s trusst. No need to do it now but I’ll be happy to post it for you between innings.
if i ever see joe buck or mccarver on the street im gonna spit in their faces and kick them in the crotch. they are THE WORST i wish i had their phone number or something. so obvious they are yankee haters they should be disallowed to call our games
Trisha,
Easy up. Kyle doesn’t need “positive energy”. He needs to throw strikes.
You can muster all the positive energy you want. If that’s all it would take to get Farnworth going, how come in this his third year as a Yankee, it ain’t happenin’?
There isn’t a Yankee fan in the world who complains about Farnsworth that is out of line.
C’mon, you really think he isn’t a guy that can drive you crazy? All that talent and he can’t get it done.
If I was his manager, It would drive me to drink.
Giradi is sticking with Farnsworth because they NEED him.
For once McCarver makes sense.
Open your ears Yankee fans. Farnsworth has tremendous stuff.
Uh, even if Farnsworth doesn’t get that break, that’s an error on Jeter people… Not Farnsworth’s fault.
you have a choice Just turn it off
“Why not try Britton here? At least he’s not going to walk people.”
I’m sayin!
They’ve just pegged him as a garbage-time guy. I don’t think he’s an 8th inning guy, but I don’t know why he didn’t get a shot at the 6th and/or 7th.
number 8 I hope your not lieing about that.
I guess the question would be – if no Farnsworth (for today), then who do you put in?
So how about a 3 year 20m extension for Farnsworth? He has such great stuff!!! He could be dominant! lol
stop the pitchin bitchin today. its the bottom of the 8th and they’ve allowed 3 runs. if we had any offense against thier nobody pitcher, mo would be warming up for a 3 run save here.
“That’s fine Patrick. If they aren’t, will you admit that they aren’t as prolific an offensive team as you think they are?”
Yes absolutely, heck I already admitted that I was proven wrong by the PETCOTA projections.
“You’re just making this up off the top of your head without any evidence.”
I don’t consider PETCOTA projections as evidence, they are just projections after all. I thought they would support my opinion but clearly they do not. I’m not making stuff up, I’m going off of the career numbers for our hitters. Theres no doubt Posada and A-rod will regress but I think guys like Abreu, Matsui, Damon, Giambi will put up better numbers. You guys disagree which is fine, time will tell.
Imagine we have to watch Kyle pitch key innings all year.. OOCH>>>>>>>>
SJ44, of course Kyle can drive you crazy. I just happen to be more patient than the average bear. Girardi sticks with him because he knows that guy really has great stuff. When he gets hitters 1-2-3 Yankee fans sees what he has.
I totally believe in the guy’s ability. He really doesn’t have a bad line this year.
He is an adventure, I’ll grant you that.
“Giradi is sticking with Farnsworth because they NEED him.”
No. That is not true. They need an effective pitcher to throw high leverage innings.
There is EXTENSIVE evidence that says Farnsworth CANNOT do that on a consistent basis.
He is absolutely terrible. He walks 5/9 and gives up 1.3 home runs per 9 innings.
That is awful. And there is not “reinventing” him just becuase the manager changed.
I don’t like walking the guy with 2 outs. Now he brings up Gutierrez who hit the HR yesterday. This is a first guess if something goes wrong here, not a second guess.
“Open your ears Yankee fans. Farnsworth has tremendous stuff.”
it’s not that Trish, see he has the stuff but when it’s thrown on 2-0, 3-0, 3-1…it gets rocked, his problem is he doesn’t get enough 1-2, 0-2 counts.
Please Farns, get us out of this inning. You will even get a shot at the win!!!
pitchin bitchin LOL
“Actually if you like at Kyle’s game log, I think he has done just about everything to earn Girardi’s trusst.”
??
His WHIP is about 1.5
He’s strung more than one scoreless outing together ONCE.
How is he earning trust?
was that a Farnsy curve
Heck of a job there by Kyle Farnsworth to do what he had to do to get out of that inning. Sure, he walked the leadoff guy, but he really pitched well after that and made it through.
Well done.
Kyle is 32 and we are still talking about his stuff not his results.. he has been in the league at least 7 yrs.. maybe he is what he is, a avg at best relief pitcher!!!!!
strike out, ok shut me up. This is our game to win, c’mon offense, get it together!
Joe Girardi is a genius.
Kyle Farnsworth is like a game of russian roulette. A lot of the time he’ll come in and have a scoreless inning like just now but there is always the chance that he will give up a bomb to blow a game.
Great job by Farnsworth
Good job by Hawkins
Good recovery by Kennedy
That friends was Kyle Farnsworth.
How about supporting him?
Nice job Farns.
I don’t have splits in front of me but I do feel like he’s been better this year following the doctrine of only 1 inning/no back to back days.
Wow…do you guys realize that both Hawkins and Farnsworth got huge breaks…and neither one of them gave up any runs…
If that’s not the work of the baseball gods, I don’t know what is!
You beautiful redneck Farnsworth…I’ll personally pitch in for a new H&K .45 for your firearms collection…
ok – just one run, is taht too much to ask for?
“Kyle Farnsworth is like a game of russian roulette”
How many middle relievers aren’t.
“Great job by Farnsworth
Good job by Hawkins
Good recovery by Kennedy”
oh hell no Hawkins doesn’t get credit for that you better have GONZO on that OUTSTANDING DP
I like that analogy Patrick. Sometimes you spin the chamber put it to your head Kyle goes in the game and it’s 6-3 other team. Then other days he strikes out 2.
If we have to believe what is writeen here, every one on the Yanks stink. The magager does not know what he is doing. The GM just useless.
The only way some people here will be happy is if there is never a walk by a pitcher and no strike out by batter and the team wins the season 162-0. What I find amusing is that even knowledgeable people like SJ resort to this some times!
Did Buck just say ‘the speedy Gonzalez’ or did I imagine it?
A little hook shot into the right field bleachers from Johnny would be nice.
Poor Ollie.
That friends was Kyle Farnsworth.
How about supporting him?
We all support him but there are lots of times where he comes in and blows the game. When he comes in I am always hopeful he will put up a 0 but I am also always expecting a 3 run bomb.
Kudos to you guys who just gave Kyle his props. That is the stand up way to do things.
Give me a minute and I’ll post his game log.
By the way, I trust the guy. Nobody loses my trust because he gives up a bomb every once in a while.
And by the way, even though some of you don’t believe in him, which is your right, don’t be so presumptious as to call Girardi a liar by saying the guy doesn’t believe in Farnsworth. He said he does, and he does. That’s his right too by the way, to evaluate talent differently from the way the fans do.
I trust Girardi much more than I trust fan calls on anything – mine included if they differ from Girardi’s.
But they don’t. Because I’m smart enough to recognize he knows more than I do about the game and his players.
Brandon
He would not have needed the dp if Giambi had made the out at first
Johnny is on FIRE. Now, someone please bring him home!
honestly – need a run here, no one wants to see kyle out there again
Damon big game 4 of 5.. .Melky needs get get off the schneid..
Melky do it…
Kyle is another one who scares the living crap outta me. But he did well. No runs. Props to Krazy
Can we do something now. A run?
That was a perfect example of how pitching the 8th inning is unbelievably over rated.
Farnsworth got bailed out there because it just happened that the 7th and 8th place hitters were up.
Cabrera is hitting .232. and Guitierrez is hitting .222.
And they took the luxury of walking the .232 hitter to get to the .222 hitting right handed batter.
There’s an unknown stigma hanging over the head of Chris Britton just like last year. He’s done nothing to cause lack of confidence in the chances he’s been given. Not a known clubhouse disturbance.
? ? ? ?
Honestly, regardless of the result, I would have gone with Farnsworth in the 8th today. With Joba out of commission, its really Girardi’s only choice.
Britton is not a guy who can pitch 8th innings. He wasn’t even doing that at Scranton. He’s strictly a soft landing type of relief pitcher.
As VSRCE correctly states, Girardi needs Farnsworth. Even more than he did to start the season.
Bruney is out for the season and Hawkins just too ineffective to trust in the most close game situations.
Like it or not, we need Farnsworth right now.
Patrick,
The entire gist of our conversation today centered on one issue. You stated the Yankees are a better offensive team than last year. I stated they aren’t and, IMO, they aren’t scoring 968 runs this year.
Now, you say they will finish in the Top 5 in offense. My question is, if they score less than 968 runs, even if they finish in the Top 5 in offense, wouldn’t you say that would make them a worse offensive team than last season?
I think Farnsy is stepping up a bit, he may be the new 7th inning guy, now that the two early season 7th inning guys, Bruney and Traber, are gone.
VRSCE you hear me say anything nice about the blob in 1B…Gonzo saved that inning big time
Nice. Bring him in Derek.
Melkyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Patrick, I understand what you’re saying, but Kyle has come in more this year and NOT given up 3-run bombs. I always look at it like our guys are going to come in and get the job done. Sometimes they won’t. But that’s because they’re human!
Here the minute someone sees Farnsworth warming it sounds like Armageddon.
I think it’s really sad.
Britton is warming up…
Shouldn’t Mo be throwing right next to him in case we score?
Why is Ohlendorf warming up? What is the point of calling up Chris Britton if you’re not going to use him.
Girardi has just decided that he’s going to use Ohlendorf for cannon fodder. He’s going to use him regardless of his health or if he blows out his arm.
He’s going to use him like Scott Procotor.
Melky! Ok, now Jeter and A Rod need to get Mo the lead.
got a man on third, surely somethings gonna happen…
NO GIDP!!!!!!!!! please…
“By the way, I trust the guy. Nobody loses my trust because he gives up a bomb every once in a while.”
What about if he gives up runs in almost every other outing? Then does he lose your trust? What if he’s been doing this for the last two years?
Girardi may know more than we do. That doesn’t mean he is immune to being stubborn.
Mo is throwing
You have to squeeze here.
Melky has to run here in order to stay out of the DP. Not liking first and third with one out. That’s a DP waiting to happen unless he sends Melky, IMO.
time to end the last 3 inning offense drought
I really hope they take the lead not only for the sake of winning, but to save Ollie from having to pitch only having one day off after throwing 49 pitches.
big spot in the game lets see wat captain clutch can do
I told ya this game would be ours. I still think I’m gonna be right here.
And Eric – you know the call that got you thrown out? That’s for the midges!
Jetes stay away from the DP !!!
Well thats incredibly unlucky.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that didn’t happen right?
arghhhh
Who would have guessed?
I really thought Jeter would get it done.
“My question is, if they score less than 968 runs, even if they finish in the Top 5 in offense, wouldn’t you say that would make them a worse offensive team than last season?”
Ok, I’ll go the extra step and say that I think they will score more runs this year than they did last year. You think more guys will regress or stay the same while I think more guys will stay the same or have increased production. We shall see at the end of the season.
you knew it was comin
“Sometimes they won’t. But that’s because they’re human!”
Seriously…go look at his game log…only once did he string together scoreless outings.
Thanks, Jeter. That was awesome.
f^&**%^
3 runs on 12 hits
this is so depressing
12 hits today but we can’t get a guy in from 3rd. Snake bit!
shades of last years ALDS. Now who pitches Ohly?
Sorry in advance but I have to get it out of my system.
Classic Jeter DP.
Got to send the runner. They hit into DP just about all the time in those situations.
At some point, you have look at what is and not what it used to be.
You put Jeter in a position to fail when you don’t send the runner in that situation.
Very, very stubborn on the bench in the way they do not react to game situations.
And Girardi continues to disappoint me.
No excuse for not squeezing there. The winning run is on third, Jeter can handle the bat and Mo is ready.
I’ll pitch
Derek Jeter vs Indians = automatic DP
Lost in the mess of all of this whining and complaining is the fact that Johnny Damon has been outstanding tonight.
If we take nothing else from this game, take that. He is back and he is on fire. The man can hit, run, play the field like he used to in Boston.
Here’s to it staying that way *raises glass*
He smoked that ball, i twas just really unlucky and hit the mound and went right to the 2B.
ohlendorf?
game’s over
Derek hits into a ton of DP’s.. This team cannot get a big hit..
IT is a joke, they are on the road so there pen needs to whold them for 2 innings, what are the odds of that??
“Well thats incredibly unlucky.”
Given that Jeter led the league in GIDP last year, it was actually kind of what I expected to happen.
And this was supposed to be a good hitting team right?
I wonder what goes on in Girardi’s head. He sends Giambi with Molina at the plate, but not Melky with Jeter at the plate. This guys is an upgrade over who?
GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t know- looked like that ball was pretty much hit to 2nd – I don’t think getting Melky off quicker would have helped…
Patrick, I’m with you, I’d bet the over on the 968 last year. Yes A Rod and Posada will be worse, but every other position could potentially be better.
That was the game right there. They could have easily taken that run and won the game but they blew it again. Jeter is the king of hitting into DP’s, I don’t know how you can’t try to squeeze with a fast runner on 3rd and a great runner at the plate with the infield not in. Just stupid to let him swing away there when all you need is that one run to lock it down with Mo.
This game just isn’t meant to be. I’m sorry, a veteran like Derek Jeter has to get that ball in the air into the outfield and get that run in with a sac fly. I mean come on, it’s Damon at third, not Giambi. That’s inexcusable. If Jeter doesn’t think he can get a ball into the outfield then he should be suicide squeezing or something. The Yankees don’t deserve to win this one. Shame on Jeter.
put joba in for 1 inning then mariano and if they cannot win it screw it go to Britton…
Kyle is a pansey he cannot pitch 2 innings…
This game is over. There is no way the Yankees can win an extra innings away game against a bullpen like Cleveland’s. Please prove me wrong New York.
Patrick,
If they are going to score more than 968 runs, they are going to have some runs after the 6th inning of games.
I think Pete has the stat. They rarely score after the 6th inning.
The 9th is yet another example as to why this is such a poor offensive team with RISP.
I wish it weren’t so but, my eyes see what my eyes see and that is very ineffective clutch hitting from everybody.
extra innings…
didnt see that coming looks like jeter has been taking lessons from a-rod when it comes to clutch hitting.
Girardi should know that Posada and Jeter lead the team in double plays. Damn it!!!!
How is he a choker? He’s hitting over .400 with RISP. Some people here are idiots. Good lord.
Seriously…if you’re not going to use a pitcher in a game where you use a gajillion pitchers…why even have him on the roster?
I sure hope Ollie’s overuse doesn’t show through here
Not even a sac-fly in that spot. Very disappointing.
That wasn’t unlucky, he hit the ball right into the DP depth formation.
all defeatests please leave the blog. The yank’s are winning this game.
come on Ohlendorf, do that a few more times!
JT your point is?? What they should pinch hit for Jeter?????
be real man….
Whozat you’re right about back-to-back outings. I’m not making excuses here but the fact that we have had starters go short innings so many times can’t have helped our relievers.
“If they are going to score more than 968 runs, they are going to have some runs after the 6th inning of games.”
You’ve made your point, I’ve made my point. I’m not going to argue anymore about this. A lot can change over the course of a season as we saw last season. I think they will have a better offense than last year. We’ll see.
iam going to be honest and have to say that this is by far one of the worst performances of any team i have seen in a LONG time, the yankees absolutely deserve to lose this. leaving 9 runners in scoring position and get 4 dps in one game is completely unacceptable.
iam now rooting for the indians to win this..
That one is all on Girardi. You gotta start the runner there. That’s awful.
I don’t want to see more than 1 inning of Ross. Treat him like everyone else Joe.
It’s frustrating but I really don’t think it’s fair to criticize for double plays. Sometimes they find holes sometimes they don’t… you can’t fault him for hitting a ground ball that is too hard as opposed to a dribbler, a bloop, or a strikeout. You make contact and hit it hard somewhere and hope for the best.
That wasn’t unlucky, he hit the ball right into the DP depth formation.
He smoked that pitch, it hit the mound and deflected right to the 2b. He’s hitting over .400 this year with RISP and people here are calling him a choker. Come on now.
ugh here we go
This has easily been the most frustrating game of the season thus far.
“looked like that ball was pretty much hit to 2nd – I don’t think getting Melky off quicker would have helped…”
But maybe it would’ve. Maybe he could have broken up the throw…it makes no sense not to have TRIED.
just great… the annoyance got on base.
Yeah the Yankees do deserve to lose this game and Jeter should get the loss.
oh boy come on Ross calm down.
“I’m not making excuses here but the fact that we have had starters go short innings so many times can’t have helped our relievers.”
In general, true. But that has nothing to do with Kyle’s struggles.
Olhendorf neds a DP here!!!
the red sox had a simlar situation last night with crawford on first and paplelbon warmed up. then crawford on second. timlin kept pitching and the game was over on a hit.
why not bring in your closer even if it is on the road?
I really hope we take this game. I know I am going to feel very sad if we don’t. Not upset with the team or anybody because we obviously came back to tie it and our relievers have held it. And we have some wounded players.
I just hope the baseball gods are kind to us here and remember the midges. It wasn’t enough really just to have Eric tossed out of the game…
can we get a new pitcher??? anyone?? not two walk offs in one week!
Tra — strangely we will always have a lot more problem if someone other than Jeter hit into a DP…
is he hitting into more DP than norm…
It’s hard to believe that Ohlendorf is back out there.
His arm has to be dead.
16 innings over 23 games. That’s the second most innings thrown by any AL releiver
The day before yesterday he throws 3 innings and throws 49 pitches.
49 pitches – one day rest. And he’s back out there while Chris Britton is just sitting in the pen.
If Girardi won’t trust Britton why bother calling him up?
Well… game over. 3 game losing streak. Maybe they can salvage 1 win out of the next two.. just awful.
OH know… Dinking and dunking again..
Two hits now. This game is just about over.
eeeee I want Mo!!
crede, another game-winning hit today, the kind of guy the yankees really lack, a winner, not a superstar.
Hey Pete whats your problem with all the negative garbage?.. everytime Farns is in its WELL SOMETHINGS GONNA HAPPEN HERE…. Then Ohlendorf WELL THIS COULD END QUICK…. Next Mo is gonna come in and your gonna say WELL THIS GUY ISNT GOOD NO MORE I BET ITS OVER!..
double play and lets go to the to the 10th
can barely bring myself to watch this…I’m not usually negative but the team just looks awful today
OH no… Dinking and dunking again..
Damn it! Game over…..
The last thing we needed was a wild pitch
“oh boy come on Ross calm down.”
I wouldn’t be surprised if he struggled…I mean, he threw about 50 pitches two days ago.
Shocking. Can’t command his stuff. hey, maybe it’s because he’s been burned out by an idiotic pattern of use.
so much for the DP
I hate baseball sometimes
ok I am not rattled…I am not rattles…I am not rattled.
You’re so right CB, he obviously doesn’t have anything today. Maybe we need the “Ollie Rules”?
walk hafner.
“49 pitches – one day rest. And he’s back out there while Chris Britton is just sitting in the pen.
If Girardi won’t trust Britton why bother calling him up?”
Yeah lets bring in the last guy in our pen who was just called up from AAA to pitch in a tie game in the bottom of the ninth. Genius.
wild pitch…alds flashback..
Ohlendorf meltdown. Time to get the Scranton shuttle ready for him after this game.
I wouldn’t count on the DP – not good vibes here…
Chill Ross Chill!
So I guess Shockey is still a Giant
bad move by joe, i gotta say, i know you need to trust ohlendorf, but he was not the guy to go to.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ROSS OHLENDORF! THIS GUY SHOULD BE IN THE MINORS, NOT A TIE GAME IN THE 9TH!!
Since he trusts Ollie more than Britton…a guy just called up rather than throw him into the ninth inning of a tie game?
Ohlendorf sucks. let Girardi blow out his arm.
I’m not joking.
Where is Mariano Rivera?
Come on. This is absolutely crazy. You don’t have him sitting in the bullpen NOT warming up in this situation.
PLEASE…
/sigh.
I do not get this move at all?
where’s mo
Bases jammed with 1 out, bottom of the 9th with the score tied.
Well this is a fine pickle. We need some serious good luck here.
“is he hitting into more DP than norm”
yep.
I don’t think I’m breathing.
THE SEAN HENN OF 2008. GIRARDI IS NO BETTER THAN, IF NOT WORSE THAN TORRE AT BULLPEN MGMT.
What Girardi is asking Ohelndorf to do is unlikely to be possible for him to do physically.
How many innings can he possibly throw?
What kind of stuff can he possibly be expected to have?
I don’t think I’m breathing.
Bring in Joba!!!!!!!
In other news some “genius” let 1 of our best relive prospects Dave Robertson pitch 3.2 inning in Trenton I call for a firing immediately.
one pitch from getting out of this inning.
good vibes good vibes
Why would you want to put the winning run on third right after he just threw a wild pitch?
This game is probably gonna end with Ohlendorf walking the winning run. Just fitting.
strikes Ohlendorf, strikes.
“Yeah lets bring in the last guy in our pen who was just called up from AAA to pitch in a tie game in the bottom of the ninth. Genius.”
Let’s bring in a guy who threw 50 pitches two days ago. Genius.
Joba must be unavailable or hurt.
Britton didn’t pitch in these situations in Scranton. Ollie was the right call. Just didn’t do his job.
Patrick,
Who is the genius now?
You tell me?
This was just a ridiculous game
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
GOOD NIGHT
C U T
How could you not use Rivera there? Just a stupid move. And if you scored the run in the top of the 9th by squeezing as should have been done there would have been no problem easily taking this one as a win.
GAME OVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I’m very sad right now.
I can’t be upset with Ohlendorf either.
Hitting with RISP was the killer today. Oh well, Wang pitches tomorrow.
Now is the time for all good men to come to the defense of their country.
shocking.
Girardi SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a manager. Hope all you who wnated Torre gone are happy… Got what you asked for… Average manager blowing out the bullpen in April, hitting coach with no talent… and a lifeless team that should have had more fire than they do.
Freakin sad….So this is what $200 million gets you…. nice!
Ohlendorf has been nothing but hittable. He’s like another farnesworth. 95+ mph stuff but just keeps getting hit.
That’s a big frowny. We need some serious Ace action from Wang tomorrow. Time to exercise some demons, CMW!
un–acceptable…I just don’t get how nothing is coming together here!
Britton MAY not have done the job in the 9th, but it WAS CLEAR Ohlendorf would not.
ross olendorf that piece of sh-t princeton grad should be down in scranton. he is absolutely f-cking horrible and i cannot watch him
ross olendorf that piece of sh-t princeton grad should be down in scranton. he is absolutely f-cking horrible and i cannot watch him
Hideous situational hitting, piss poor managing. Overmanaging some times, under managing at others. Horrendous relief from Hawkins, throwing Ohlendorf’s arm AND confidence to the wolves…just horrible.
are you kidding me?!?!? like honestly…are you joking me?
Another heart breaking loss. We need bullpen help.
Here come all the idiots. It is April 25th and the Girardi sucks talk is out in full force. Wow.
Promote Robertson & McCutchen ASAP.
When is the press going to start calling out the leaders of this team? Girardi, Jeter, ARod – this team stinks.
Why are they not getting killed in the press?
Horrible to watch every day. No fight – Not enuf pitching and where is the O?
Boycott the Yankees. This team is run by idiots.
“hitting coach with no talent”
Didn’t we go through this same thing last April and May and then by the end of the season those same people wanted Kevin Long knighted?
I have supported Joe Girardi for this entire season thus far, but today I am withdrawing my support for him (I’m sure nobody cares about my support).
He has made HORRIBLE decisions with the bullpen and with hitters lately. He has caused us to lose TWO GAMES in a row in walk-off fashion.
I am absolutely floored at what just happened. When Ross allows one runner, you bring in Mo. You don’t wait. You get the best pitcher to ever pitch in this great game of baseball on the mound in a must-win situation.
Don’t put him in after 1 baserunner you say?
Then put him in when you allow the 2nd. You don’t let the Indians beat Ohlendorf. They need to beat Mo.
If we lose it, oh well, at least we have the chance in the 10th if the move to Mo pays off.
Let’s get Larry Bowa back and get Tony Pena as manager. This is just pathetic.
Girardi has done the same thing Torre would of done. I would of expected some different moves. At this point, there is probably no difference between Torre and Girardi.
The Yankee braintrust is guilty of overvaluating its players ability to produce. Time and time again the league is proving this out. The veterans don’t produce when they are needed right now and the young players are learning on the major league level and not on the minor league level where most of them belong.
Walking Hafner to pitch to Martinez also? Hafner has done NOTHING at the plate this year while Martinez is hitting .400!
Ohlendorf is burnt out clearly, pitching him at this point is just stupid so close to his long outing Thursday night and all his stuff was up.
Why is Girardi afraid to do anything? Is he afraid of second guessing? Sticking to the book on every move. Should have squeezed with Jeter and didn’t. That was a huge mistake right there. Then he sets up the DP with the IBB but to face a better hitter. He is managing scared.
It’s not Ohlendorf’s fault he pitches for the Yankees. He has a good sinker, that generates groundballs, but since we suck defensively he’s gonna give up a lot of hits.
Well, that was just a great game, just keep playing like this and we’ll get #27 in no time.
well, that’s what happened last night with the red sox when the crummy reliever pitched the last inning with men in scoring position with the visiting team closer warmed up and ready to go.
i guess the yankees and red sox really are similar in a lot of ways.
Why do you try to hit and run with two outs and Giambi on first base with Molina at the plate but not start Melky up with the game on the line and Jeter at the plate?
Why throw a pitcher out in the ninth inning of a tied game who threw 50 pitches the day before yesterday?
So if we can walk away from this series with a split we’ll be 500 on the road.
“Ohlendorf has been nothing but hittable.”
that’s just patently false. He’s usually fine in his first inning, maybe two. Know why? Because he’s a short reliever. But they keep using him as a long reliever. And now bringing him back two days after burning him for 50 pitches…it’s just setting him up to fail. It’s just stupid. Just incredibly stupid.
April 26th
2007
8-12
2008
12-13 having played the majority of the games on the road with a 21 and 23 year old in the starting rotation.
What happened to Rivera? Is he injured or too tired? I thought that this should be the right time to send him in…
Joba’s hurt and was unavailable. You don’t bring in your closer in a tie game on the road. That eliminates bringing in Mariano in that situation.
When you don’t hit in the clutch, especially in the late innings on the road, you are set up for failure. They haven’t hit after the 7th inning all year.
At this point, they have to send Ohlendorf to Scranton. Its a team desperate for fresh arms and he just isn’t fresh.
Britton has not pitched deep into games in Scranton all year. They have to go to guys like Patterson, Ramirez or Veras. Guys who has pitched the important innings in AAA this year, and have pitched them well. Britton is not the answer from the 6th inning on.
This game is on the offense. You can’t squander this many chances and expect to win.
They just don’t hit and they don’t hit in the clutch. That makes every half inning do or die with the pitching staff and unfortunately, the staff just isn’t good enough to do it.
Until this team starts hitting, they will struggle to stay competitive. Hopefully, the bats wake up. If not, it has the makings of being a very long season.
who is dumber pepper brooks, chicago dave, or many other morons. again what did Girardi do wrong?/ That is right he told clutch hitters like 2 for 21 with RISP or Jeter to fail when it counts. We have Cano who now for his career has to be a 150 hitter with the bases loaded.
These Yanks do not pitch like the Nelson, mendoza, stanton, mariano, Yanks, they need to score some runs..
Bottom line this team is slow and go base to base and need some big hits…..
Damon goes 4 for 5 in the leadoff spot and they score 3 runs..Another bad loss, to many already. I know it is a long season but you hate losing these games, Cleveland based on the gamecast did not hit the ball far on any of there hits…
I bet Ross O goes down to SWB, he needs to turn it around they have him and Hawkins with over 7 ERA’s and Kyle is a arsonist bas bad results….
TERRIBLE.
I’ll be back later when the idiots on the blog calm down. Good Night people.
There are a couple things I take from this game. One, does this team look like it’s underperforming, or pretty much performing where it should be? The stranded runners would say underperforming, but I look at our bullpen, and some of our batters (Cano) and say “yeah, this is about what we should expect.” Cano doesn’t have the plate discipline or eye to be a truly great player. He can hit the ball to gaps and for power, but he seems to be too easy to get out.
My other question is are people going to play for Girardi. Players came to NY for, among other reasons, Torre. They wanted to play for him. Does Girardi have that same ability to get people to pick it up after a rough patch. I don’t know. As a whole, I’ve been unimpressed by Girardi’s decisions.
The 9th inning with Ohlendorf was just brutal. You could just feel the loss coming ever closer. Did anyone really think they’d get a double play at the end there? No, I think we all felt either the game winning hit or walk was on it’s way.
I’m just not feeling this team this year.
I just don’t get loading the bases like that…no margin for error…he just threw a wild pitch for crying out loud!
“Girardi has done the same thing Torre would of done. I would of expected some different moves. At this point, there is probably no difference between Torre and Girardi.”
I actually agree with this, but that’s a good thing. Joe Torre was an all time great Yankee Manager, hopefully Joe Girardi will be as well.
Patrick,
Who is the genius now?
You tell me?
Once the game got to the bottom of the ninth still tied it was pretty much guaranteed a loss which I had already accepted. Britton is not the answer. If Girardi brought him in, I doubt they would have won. Girardi was in a tough position for a number of reasons. He has managed the bullpen pretty poorly up until now, and Cashman has not done a good job of assembling it.
At this point I agree with you in that Ohlendorf is being abused. He will be sent down to AAA, hopefully he pitches the 8th inning there and continues that role when he gets called back up. Hopefully they send him down, call up Rasner and get Ohlendorf back in 10 days. Cash also has to go out there and get a left handed pitcher out of the bullpen. There are no good bullpens without a lefty, we need one.
I can NEVER understand why…if the Yanks have 1st and 3rd and Damon is the runner on 1st and Jeter is at the plate why he never steals 2nd on the 1st pitch??!! Jeter ALWAYS, always hits into a DP. It is never ever fails. They throw pitches in on his hands that he can not stop swinging at. Damon needs to run more..If they throw threw to 2nd then a fast runner can come home from 3rd. What is the big deal Jeter is an automatic rally killer and he wasn’t going to get a hit either. It is pathetic how many chances they had to score in this game. The $28m man doesn’t know how to get a runner in from 3rd either. It is soo sad how the Yanks used to be the best lineup and now they stink with players who can never get a big hit or even a sac fly. A runner on 3rd, 2 times and they don’t know how to hit a fly ball…
Send down Olhendorf and call up Patterson.
Wow, I can’t believe people are actually placing the blame on Girardi, Olendorf, etc… HELLO!! Was anyone watching the top of the 9th inning?? Did everyone see Johnny Damon standing on third base with one out? Derek Jeter is the captain of the team, a clutch hitter, a magician with the bat. His team is having a terrible day, and they have a chance to take the LEAD and give the ball to Mariano Rivera, and he can’t put the ball into the outfield?? Are you kidding? And then people try to blame Joe Girardi because Derek Jeter tried to do too much instead of getting than one run in? Unbelievable… Jeter’s at bat is the game right there. If he drops down a decent bunt, the Yankees win the game, or if he gets a ball a little bit into the outfield with Damon running, that’s the game. And if he struck out I would have said OK, not his fault, but he was clearly trying to get a base hit which was much more than the Yankees actually needed to win this game. The thing that makes this game most disappointing is that the captain had a chance to win the game and took the wrong approach.
Hey Pete, tell Girardi that about 2 million fans watching the game knew that it was time for Mariano, and we’re all wondering why he didn’t.
“We need bullpen help.”
They just went and got some! Albie threw two good innings yesterday. Britton was warming…and then we got LaTroy for some bizarre reason.
Still, the finger has to point at the offense today, including the big boys. Jeter and ARod…lots of boo. That hideous melky AB…that’s all Girardi’s fault. I just have no idea what he was doing there.
“Must win” situation? Ha ha. Get real.
Before criticising Girardi and cannoinizing Ohlendorf, look at his record. The guy has been horrible, worse than Kyle and Bruney. Give the blame where it belongs. I can not believe people think he is a 8th inning guy.
Send him to AAA, and let him learn to throw strikes and harness his stuff and being him back when he is ready.
It is a tough loss, but it is not the end of the world.
Yanks will still make it to the playoffs. I still stand by my prediction that they will win the division. They do not look like that today, but things will settle down shortly and they will get on a roll.
SJ, were you watching the game? Did you see where the second baseman was? If Melky runs. it’s still a DP.
WTF
I am returning this otherwise good blog space to you because someone has printed gibberish all over it and put your name at the top.
Wow, the natives are getting restless. I wasn’t reading this blog last year until later in the season, I’m guessing April and May must have been pretty brutal times on LoHud.
Deep breaths. This road trip from hell will end, someday.
Jeter and Rodriguez are really struggling with runners in scoring position
Here’s my question: what ever happened to the suicide squeeze? Jeter loves to bunt in inappropriate situations. Wouldn’t that have been a better one than the hundreds of other times he’s tried?
“Send down Olhendorf and call up Patterson.”
patterson has not been very good.
It’s pretty ridiculous to get down on Ohlendorf when his trouble almost always occurs in his 2nd or third inning of work. Given that, you know, he’s a one-inning guy now…I’m not super surprised. Girardi seems to be.
Thing that’s funny…if a starter threw 50 pitches one day, they wouldn’t DREAM of throwing him out there again two days later. But he puts Ross out there in that situation with the game on the line. Ridiculous.
Besides the Ohlendorf meltdown, the game changer was Melky not running when Jeter was up. Why would you not take 2nd and avoid the DP?
Then, we’d most likely have 2/3rd with Arod up and 2 outs.
That’s on Girardi, unless there is a solid reason.
stuart – Will you ever stop throwing stones in glass houses? Is your self-esteem really as poor as it seems? Did mommy not hug you enough when you were young? Awwww…. The more you call everyone else “stupid” and “moronic,” the more pathetic you appear.
Watch the language on here please.
i can’t stand when managers leave their best relievers in the bullpen to protect a lead that may never come.
you have to use Mo there for 2 innings.
bad decision Joe.
still, Jeter needs to get that run home. that was the game.
“Once the game got to the bottom of the ninth still tied it was pretty much guaranteed a loss which I had already accepted. Britton is not the answer. If Girardi brought him in, I doubt they would have won.”
This is absolute nonesense. This is just you over inflating your sense of your own opinion once again.
There is absolutely no way to say that once the game got to the bottom of the ninth it was over. None.
Was the probablity with Cleveland? Sure.
But that in no way means the outsome was somehow decided.
Aren’t you the guy who doesn’t consider a projection “evidence”?
They put Ohlendorf in the game with a dead arm. There is no way he was going to be able to pitch effecitively. None.
He had enought to strike out the first guy and then lost it.
The idea that you somehow know with certainty that Britton would have lost the game is nonsense.
Time and time again on this blog you make arrocgant statements like “Genius” and then are proved wrong.
And then when that happens you just babble on and on with more of your rhetoric trying to obfuscate the issue.
Melky would not have broken up that DP, it was hit right at the second baseman. However, Jeter should not be allowed to swing away there with Damon on 3B and the fact that he’s such a good bunter with the go ahead run at 3rd and only one out. There should have been a very necessary squeeze laid down there which wasn’t and that was what cost them the game when Girardi then couldn’t just bring in Mo to lock it down.
How’s this game on the offense? Our pitchers walked 9(!!!) guys in 9 innings. That is just horrible. You deserve to lose when your pitching sucks this bad.
“You don’t bring in your closer in a tie game on the road.”
we all know the book on the general rule, but when you have the winning run on second and you have a pitcher you have no confidence in, why not break the rule ,bring the closer in and have a decent chance at another half inning.
I know I have said some rough things about the Yankees but I am going to defend Ohlendorf. Personally i think he has performed well considered he was never a top prospect. Every scout knows he is a marginal player at most so if he contributes anything we should be happy. Hughes, Joba, and kennedy are top prospects everyone else they have been bringing up are marginal players including Shelley. So when these players contribute anything we should be happy.
SJ, I’m sorry but this is the biggest load of crap I have ever seen you write:
“You don’t bring in your closer in a tie game on the road. That eliminates bringing in Mariano in that situation.”
Why? Are you saying home games are more important than road games? Why in the WORLD does that make ANY SENSE?
Every baseball game is 9 INNINGS LONG. Every baseball game has the SAME RULES and Mariano is the best closer in the game today, best ever, and I’m putting him in situations that he should be in whether I’m at home or on the road.
There isn’t some sort of magic fairy dust that gets thrown on the home team in the late innings of games that makes them beat your closer.
Our offense was doing well and we had a chance to stop them in the next inning as the bottom half of the order would be up should we get out of the 9th and score in the 10th.
You don’t let them beat Ohlendorf. You just don’t. Sorry but it’s that kind of thinking that had Ohlendorf in the game in the first place and look how that worked out.
Next short reliever up should be Robertson, give him a few weeks at AAA, but he could really help the major league team. That being said, the team gave up 4 runs today. The offense, batting with RISP blew it. Keep that in perspective.
If Melky runs, it’s still a DP. Did you see wherer the second baseman was playing?
“Send him to AAA, and let him learn to throw strikes and harness his stuff and being him back when he is ready.”
Did you watch his first inning the other day? The guy KNOWS how to throw strikes. He’s usually very good in the first inning or two of work. He’s not a long man. He just isn’t. They converted him to a hard-throwing setup-type guy last year for a REASON.
For the people who are saying Girardi should have had Jeter bunt: you honestly believe that Joe Girardi is going to tell the captain, one of the best hitters ever, someone he played with, to lay down a bunt?? No, sorry, it’s not fair to ask Girardi to do that. Jeter has to either bunt on his own or make sure he either hits the ball weakly with Damon set to go on a grounder, or even better, just get the ball into the outfield. But yeah, don’t expect Girardi to ever tell Derek Jeter to bunt or squeeze.
“Thing that’s funny…if a starter threw 50 pitches one day, they wouldn’t DREAM of throwing him out there again two days later. ”
This is so true. It’s as if there are different laws of physiology that apply to a reliever.
Especially to short innings reliever who was never stretched out and is now being asked to throw more innings than any other reliever in the AL.
“If Melky runs, it’s still a DP. Did you see wherer the second baseman was playing?”
With the carom off the mound, maybe it’s not. Maybe he can slide in hard and prevent the guy from turning the play. Even if it wouldn’t have mattered, it was still the right call, and it didn’t happen. That, h&r with Giambi and Molina, and the bizarre bunting AB in the 7th were all calls that made no sense.
yes stuart, I am dumb for saying Girardi Sucks. I guess a vent of frustration is not acceptable in the business world of Yankee baseball. I mean it is only April and this team will surely turn it around. I keep forgetting the rules of the blog.. ONLY say positive comments or you are an idiot, troll, dumb, loser, etc.
Whatever makes you happy princess. Bottom line this team is not good and is in no way getting there. Giradi mismanaged this game, from the bunting with Cabrera to using Ohlendorf.
This team is not motivated and it not playing well. Who is responsible, the Manager. If they underperform it is his fault, just like he gets all the credit when they perform. You can’t have it both ways.
You Chardonnay drinking fans who think that because you don’t rant with emotion that you somehow usurp the rest of us in baseball knowledge are the equivalent of political commentators or hacks like Tim McCarver and Joe Buck. Taking the position of “it is only April as you sip from your glass of Chardonnay with your ascot tied neatly around your neck” doesn’t make you prophetic or intelligent.
“How’s this game on the offense? Our pitchers walked 9(!!!) guys in 9 innings. That is just horrible. You deserve to lose when your pitching sucks this bad.”
that’s silly. the Indians had scored 3 run over 8 innings.
even if there were a lot of walks, they didn’t score. who cares if it was “ugly”.
the score was still 3-3, with 1st and 3rd, 1 out and Jeter at the plate.
that was the game.
The Yankees should stay the course. Why bring up anyone else who is not ready to play on this level. The young ones are just going to take a beating until they get better because the Yankee braintrust elected to go this route over the winter.
If the Yankees had gotten some hits with RISP, especially in the top of the ninth, then they win and Girardi looks like a genius. The nobody would be screaming.
I have to say that I am not impressed with Ohlendorf. He has cost the team a number of games this week. Maybe he needs to go back to AAA.
“What happen to jose veres he was very good last year”
well, he was bruney light last year. But, anyway, he’s closing in AAA. Doing a good job too.
“The idea that you somehow know with certainty that Britton would have lost the game is nonsense.”
CB, i haven’t been following the discussion, but i can’t imagine Britton was available still, right?
he was basically throwing in the bullpen for the entire 2nd inning and then again in the 3rd (i think).
they call that the “dry humps”, right? you only warm up a reliever so many times before you shut him down.
thoughts?
i don’t think Britton was available.
RISP (fill in the blank)
Yeah for the people who don’t see how this game is 100% on the offense, please, open your eyes. If Derek Jeter manages to play FUNDAMENTAL baseball in the 9th inning, then chances are we’re talking about how the Yankees won a game today where everything went wrong but they still managed to scrape it out. The pitching put them in a position to hand the ball to Mariano Rivera with a one run lead. That is all you can ask the pitching on this team to ever do. If you want more out of the pitching, then ask a pitcher to pinch hit for Jeter next time there’s a guy on third with 1 out.
Hey guys.
Scranton was a washout; doubleheader tomorrow.
“If Melky runs, it’s still a DP”
How do you know that with Melky running Jeter doesn’t try to shoot it through the second base hole as he’s so adept at doing.
You put the runner moving and you have no idea whetehr jeter hits the same ball.
You do know that you reduce the probablity of a double play.
And with Damon, a fast runner, on third you don’t even know if they throw through if Jeter swings through the pitch (which he doesn’t do that often to begin with).
“I have to say that I am not impressed with Ohlendorf. He has cost the team a number of games this week. Maybe he needs to go back to AAA.”
Maybe that’s because HE IS NOT A LONG RELIEVER!!!!! And, hey, maybe the reason he stunk today is because he THREW FIFTY PITCHES TWO DAYS AGO. Maybe if the team didn’t, for some bizarre reason, think that he should throw 50 pitches every three days, he could actually have been put in a position to succeed.
Hey Myrtlebeach you dont put your closer in the bottom of the 9th in a tie game on the road because you guarantee that he either has to pitch two innings of non-save baseball or that he pitches one and you dont get him when you want to win.
After captain double play does his thing you really cant put Mo out there. Ok he strikes out 3 guys on 9 pitches. Then what? You go to the 10th maybe you score runs maybe you dont and then Mo pitches 3 more 3 pitch k’s and you go to the 11th and it comes down to a non-optimal situation anyway. You have to put a guy out there you think is gunna get outs in hopes that when your team scores a run you put your closer in and the game gets ended. Otherwise you just wasted the guy on an effort that in 2 or 3 innings may be a loss when you have to pitch a not so good pitcher anyway.
The Yanks mase both moves I suggested this morning ( starting Gonzalez amd sending Traber down) and still lost.
I think I’ll keep my day job.
From Suzyn on the postgame show:
Giradi not happy with Kennedy, especially the 2nd inning.
Not happy with the Yankee offense.
Joba was not available today.
Ohlendorf is being probably being overused.
Girardi lost his cool with the writers when asked if Kennedy and/or Ohlendorf are going to be sent to AAA. Said the game has been over for 5 minutes – I need to talk to my GM. The writer said “If I asked about Wang to AAA you wouldn’t need to talk to Brian.”
“This is absolute nonesense. This is just you over inflating your sense of your own opinion once again.”
I said minutes before the bottom of the 9th inning started that the Yankees were going to lose. Against Cleveland’s bullpen and with a depleted bullpen of our own it was a very likely outcome.
“Was the probablity with Cleveland? Sure.”
Yes it was and thats why I said it.
“But that in no way means the outsome was somehow decided.”
I didn’t say it was decided, I was making a guess as to what would happen which turned out to be correct.
“They put Ohlendorf in the game with a dead arm. There is no way he was going to be able to pitch effecitively. None.”
Now you are doing the same thing I did. You are making an assumption based on evidence that backs up your assumption.
“The idea that you somehow know with certainty that Britton would have lost the game is nonsense.”
I never said I knew with certainty. I basically was saying it’s an equally bad idea to bring Britton in. No manager in baseball would bring in a guy that was just called up into a tie game in the bottom of the 9th. Girardi obviously thought Ohlendorf had a better chance of getting the job done. He was obviously incorrect.
Maybe Britton would have done a better job but we’ll never know now. There was really no right answer in that situation. Joe’s options were to bring in Mo, stay with Farns, bring in Ohlendorf or bring in Britton. All of those options are pretty bad so now that we lost the game I’m somehow wrong and you are right. Whatever
I think walking Hafner was a stupid move. He hasn’t hit all year. Make him get a hit there. Now you load the bases and put a rookie who has been pitching on fumes in a tough stop. He just threw a wild pitch and now you are telling him that he has to be perfect. He missed on the first pitch so what did he do he threw a cookie because he did not want to walk him. Oldendorf hasn’t been good because he usually gives up a run or 2 in his 1st inning and then settles down when he probably has nothing left in his arm. If the Yanks were batting in that inning with the bases loaded you know they 100% would of hit into a DP. Pathetic how bad the lineup has become. He didn’t bring in Mo because Joba wasn’t available and he probably didn’t want Mo pitching 2 innings.
Patrick
Hey, you can’t fight in here! This is the war room!
“1 Question i have why Did the yankees selected ian kennedy who throws in the high 80s in the first round? will someone answer this pls”
who would you have picked, Daniel Bard?
seriously, this comment is beyond idiotic.
what would you think if they took Joba in the 1st round and Kennedy at 41?
you’d think it was awesome.
so just pretend that is what happened.
because you sound like a moron.
“he was basically throwing in the bullpen for the entire 2nd inning and then again in the 3rd (i think).”
I only saw him in the third. I was shocked he didn’t come out to throw the 6th.
Frankly, I figure warming up a couple times is less bad for you than pitching beyond your conditioning over and over again.
guess this is just another learning experience for them…trying to stay positive. tomorrow’s gonna be great! Wanger Banger is shooting for his 5th win!
“i don’t think Britton was available.”
hmmmm,
I suppose that’s possible but I don’t think that was the case.
In general, and I could be wrong about this, but the idea of only warming up a guy twice largely applies to younger pitchers.
Also, I don’t believe that is a hard and fast rule, especially in April.
And consider the alternative. Britton warming up the third time or sending Ohlendorf out after throwing 50 pitches the day before yesterday.
With a guy who is older like Britton I don’t think that’s the case that you don’t warm him up a third time.
I’m also not sure how much he actually warmed up that second time.
Again, I could be wrong and perhaps Britton wasn’t available.
But I don’t think that was the case. And give the trade off between the stress on Ohlendorf’s arm vs. Britton’s I don’t think it’s even comparable.
I believe he was available, especially given the situation in the pen.
They just didn’t use him.
I don’t know what to say except that I certainly can understand everyone’s disappointment.
It didn’t happen but there were two games we had in our grasp on nights that the Sux lot. Those hurt even more.
I hope the Sux lose tonight of course.
Be kind to each other. People can feel differently about things and agree to disagree. In the end we’re all in this together.
Girardi would do better to save all his pent-up frustration and rage for a closed-door meeting with the team rather than snapping at journalists. It’s not their fault his team is sleepwalking through games.
“Hey, you can’t fight in here! This is the war room!”
Ahahahahaa Thanks for the laugh, that was great
Tyler Clippard pitched better than some of these guys but they never stayed with him. Where is Sweet Lou when you need him. oh he is in Chicago managing the cubbies. Sorry. Laugh about it everyone. No one is losing anything over this except frustrating their wives. LOL
“I never said I knew with certainty.”
This sounds like a high certainty statement to me:
“Once the game got to the bottom of the ninth still tied it was pretty much guaranteed a loss which I had already accepted. Britton is not the answer.”
When you use snarky statements like “Genius” yeah that sounds pretty arrogant and certain as well.
Go back and look at your posts. The tone is pretty striking.
“I only saw him in the third. I was shocked he didn’t come out to throw the 6th.”
he was definitely out there in the 2nd.
Speak for yourself, Rick, I bet on the Yankees.
Yeah, let’s hang ‘em all! Or off with their heads! Slow, miserable deaths are too good for ‘em!
I wish I had been here last year through April and May. I can only guess how many ballplayers you had sentenced to die before we saw some life in mid-June.
These are the New York Yankees. This is a great team on paper. Paper is history and proven ability, and that will show itself in time. But I suppose it’s cathartic to vent at times like these.
“Kennedy at best is a number 3 starter why would u pick him in the first round”
again, who would you have picked?
“Average manager blowing out the bullpen in April, hitting coach with no talent”
I keep harping on this, but it’s pretty easy to burn out your bullpen when the starters are onlt pitching 5 innings.
A hitting coach with no talent? What’s he supposed to do, swing the bats for the players?
“I wish I had been here last year through April and May. I can only guess how many ballplayers you had sentenced to die before we saw some life in mid-June.”
i’ll bring you up to speed on last season:
DFA Vizcaino
send Cano to AAA
DFA Abreu
DFA Damon
did i miss anything?
“Kennedy at best is a number 3 starter why would u pick him in the first round”
If you get a nubmer three major league starter with the 23rd pick in the first round you are a very happy team.
The idea that you would expect more with any sense of realism is misplaced.
If you’re able to draft a pitcher who makes it to be a #3 major league starter with a top 10 pick you take it.
Most guys taken in the top 5 don’t progress like Kennedy has.
People somehow think it’s so easy to come up with #3 starters.
Ohlendorf needs to get demoted before he ruins our season.
“When you use snarky statements like “Genius†yeah that sounds pretty arrogant and certain as well.”
Well I apologize for sounding snarky, I was frustrated that the Yankees were likely going to lose. Looking at all the options Girardi had in that situation I was even more frustrated because there really was no good choice of who to bring in.
Looking back at it, you are probably right that Britton was a better choice.
“This sounds like a high certainty statement to me:”
Yeah you are right it does. It was more like a “here we go again” statement because every time the Yanks are in an extra innings game away from New York they seem to lose. I don’t know if the statistics bear that out, I’d like to see what their record is in those situations. I do know it happened several times last year and once just last week against Chicago. (bottom of the 9th but the same situation)
average manager? what manager is going to do a better job if their starters can’t pitch more than five inn
please make some sense or please keep quiet
“I think walking Hafner was a stupid move.”
nah, with one out, you have to set up the double play.
no problem with that move.
my only beef is not using Mo.
You guys had better get used to it; because the beatings will continue until morale improves
Britton was available. He was up throwing in the 2nd or 3rd inning.
I can’t fathom why Giardi went to a fatigued Ohlendorf in the 9th. Not only did he look sapped of energy but of confidence as well.
He couldn’t throw strikes and his ball wasn’t sinking. Both signs of overthrowing. What was Girardi thinking?
Hey, if you’re going to act like an arrogant, antagonistic jerk when reporters question you in the clubhouse– even the dumb one– then you better be a darn genius.
If you’re not, prepare for the wrath of the pen. (I don’t mean the bullpen.)
Yeah hmmm im pretty sure DFA farnsworth was peppered in here last April/May too.
Why are you going to use Mo in that situation? It’s a pretty bad idea because who knows if you’ll score in the 10th. You’d be hard pressed to find any manager in baseball who would have done it.
CB, the general rule is actually that if you warm up a reliever for the third time, you either use him or consider him spent for that game and let him rest the next day.
” did i miss anything?”
nieves
Sanchez is recovering from TJ surgery and hasnt thrown in a game yet I dont think. If you mean the Sanchez from the Sheff deal that is.
Would you guys give IPK a break. He’s in his first year and he’s 23. You want to blame someone. Blame Cashman. If you want to let kids develop w/o pressure than you fortify the the rest of your rotation and/or you bolster your bullpen with a surplus of power arms who can throw strikes.
Cashman did neither. Instead, he not only passed on Santana but he also invested misguided faith in Kyle, LaTroy Hawkins, and Billy Traber.
Yes, if you use Mo in the 9th, he’s in for 2 innings with a chance at a save ONLY if the Yanks score in the 10th. If they don’t score, you just used Mo for 2 innings and the game isn’t even over yet. Or he lost it.
Tomorrow it’s Wang to Mo, ideally.
“the general rule is actually that if you warm up a reliever for the third time, you either use him or consider him spent for that game and let him rest the next day.”
Thanks. Good to know. Britton only warmed up twice so by that rule he would have been available.
IPK will be a quality starter, a reliable 3rd, perhaps an average 2nd starter, some day, just not this year.
One last thing —-everyone who knows anything about potential of minor leaguers realizes that at most only about 50% ever reach their potential coming out of the minors. Shelley and Ohlendorf are ranked as having the potential of being regular players in the major leagues but the chance of them reaching this is about 50%.Joba is ranked as having having the potential to be an elite pitcher but the potential is right now only 70%. Kennedy is ranked at being a solid regular pitcher but right now his potential of this is only 50%. these predictions are taken from baseballhq.com that i subscribe to. You can agree with them or not but the are based on history.
A couple of weeks ago Pete made comment something on the order of maybe one of the three succeeding of the three pitchers. He was right on the money with that comment.
Potential and the probability of making it are two different things. So I hope everyone realizes this. This is where the Yankees I believe maybe overvaluating their prospects.
I wish this was different but this is what happens with prospects.
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April 26th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
bases loaded with 1 out you no hes was not gonna get martinez out there bring in your best pitcher and if we lose we lose with out best pitcher
Or your best pitcher gets you out of the jam you dont score in the 10th he blanks them in the 11th you dont score in the 11th and you potentially lose it in the 11th when anyone not named Mariano comes in.
I actually think the Yankees showed a lot of character and fight in this game.
There starting pitcher went five innings, they had almost a non-existent bullpen, the hitting with runners in scoring position was borderline depressing except Posada’s hit, and they STILL, after all of that, had a chance to win the game?? I mean I’ll take that any day. And then you have Wang going tomorrow so things should be better, and he should give them even a better chance to win. Although the one negative is if they get the same offense they did today then Wang’s probably going to need to hold Cleveland to one run or less to keep the Yankees in the game.
Well the issue to bring Mo in or not definitely goes against “the book” of not bringing your closer in on the road. Could Girardi have used Mo? Yes…but he would have been second guessed had the outcome not gone in their favor.
Were this an October game…Mo might have been in, even on the road. But in April, I don’t think Girardi would go against the grain like that.
I am surprised that he hasn’t put on more plays or NL style baseball to get the runners and bats going.
I know this is going to be unbelievable to a lot of people on this board, but this year Jeter has had 19 AB’s with RISP.
He has a 1.008 OPS in such situations this year.
With runners anywhere on base in 28 AB’s he has a OPS of .831.
If I’m Girardi, call me crazy but I would have let him swing away as well.
Can some of the woes on the bullpen be taken off by letting our starters (including Kennedy) build up to 120 pitches a game? That’s traditionally been a reasonable number, and we might have gotten another inning from Kennedy that way.
Or is the front office insistant that the kids only throw 100 pitches? I know certain pitchers start fading after 100 pitches, but think most should be able to throw about 120 in a game without getting burned out.
Time for a team meeting because this is embarrassing
“Girardi lost his cool with the writers when asked if Kennedy and/or Ohlendorf are going to be sent to AAA. Said the game has been over for 5 minutes – I need to talk to my GM. The writer said “If I asked about Wang to AAA you wouldn’t need to talk to Brian.â€
Which writer said that? Now that’s audio I’d like to hear.
raymagnetic, I agree with you in one sense, that it wasn’t Girardi’s place to tell Jeter what to do, but Derek Jeter is the captain, he has to know what to do in that situation. The Yankees needed ONE run, no more. Jeter should know not to be “swinging away” in that situation. It’s his job to get Damon in from third with 1 out any way he thinks he can be most successful. I doubt trying to slap the ball up the middle was his best shot at assuring Damon scored. I mean Damon is a very good, fast base-runner. If it was anyone else on third like Posada, Giambi, etc. I would probably agree with swinging away. But I’m sorry, with a fast and quality base-runner on third base you have to either sac fly or lay down a cheap bunt or weak hit or something close to guaranteed.
Ohlendorf in the 9th was an odd move. My question would be is Girardi making these decisions on his own or does Dave Eiland have any input at all?
“I wish I had been here last year through April and May”
No you don’t. It was way worse….although at least it was somewhat more called for then since the Yankees had what, 7 wins this time last year?
But the hysteria right now is absolutely ridiculous.
“He has a 1.008 OPS in such situations this year.
With runners anywhere on base in 28 AB’s he has a OPS of .831.
If I’m Girardi, call me crazy but I would have let him swing away as well.”
See, the numbers can be used in different ways. From the same numbers, you could argue that in the 9 ABs, with runners only on 1B, Jeter was atrocious and killed so many rallies. The bottom line is he consistently hits into double plays more than many others. Any day, in sitatuions like that a strike out is better than a DP!
Having said that he delivers more often than not and is a very good player.
“find someone with better stuff”
in other words, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Girardi had a worse record for the Marlins in 2006, then they absolutely exploded and had the best record in baseball after the all star break. I know, this is not the Marlins, but he seems to be the kind of manager who does not quit on his players, and that means a lot when the chips are down. The Marlins could have very easily cashed it in, but they began believing in themselves – Girardi had something to do with that.
I don’t like what Jeter has become, where is that fire? Where is that hustle? He really seems to be going through the motions. I don’t get it.
What happened to the starters throwing an inning or two between starts on their ‘throw’ days? It was the only bullpen management move from Torre that I liked. I think its time to do that again until the bullpen gets a chance to stabilize. There’s no reason Hughes couldn’t throw an inning today or tomorrow since he’s last outing was so short.
I’m not sure how the pitchers felt about it last year, but it certainly worked out well last year when they tried it. Pettite came in several times and held it down.
This team will never be anything…the pitches is just a joke…this act is getting so out that I dont even care to watch because you already know what will happen
“But the hysteria right now is absolutely ridiculous.”
Well said.
Even last year, when the team started winning they were ready and jumped on the bandwagon. Thank God, did not have to put up with the negativity for the whole season!!!!!
I missed it, but you just can’t bring Russ in after throwing 50 pitches only the night before last. That’s ridiculous – is it me or does Joe just really care about winning that particular game and not thinking further ahead? I don’t mean that he should give up games, but you can not risk the health of anyone on your team…….not for a game, not for the WS, not for anything. This is their livelihood…I’m pissed off.
I also do not think Alex should be playing if he’s still feeling something. What, it was ok to give Jeter extra time off to be sure, but Alex is a different story? What ever happened to the oh-so-cautious Yankees? If A-Rod reinjures the leg and is out for a long time, I will be quite unforgiving to the team.
“find someone with better stuffâ€
They are not growing on the trees to just pluck them!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I went out and ate dinner, so I missed most of the game. How did Ian end up doing, I see he didn’t give up any more runs.
“If you want to let kids develop w/o pressure than you fortify the the rest of your rotation and/or you bolster your bullpen with a surplus of power arms who can throw strikes.
Cashman did neither. Instead, he not only passed on Santana but he also invested misguided faith in Kyle, LaTroy Hawkins, and Billy Traber.”
Wouldn’t it have been impossible for the Yanks to develop the kids and trade for Santana?
There’s no way he could have accomplished both of these tasks beins that the kids would be developing with Minnesota right now.
As far as the bullpen is concerned the Yanks always planned for Joba to be in the 8th and Mo in the 9th with someone from the farm to replace Joba when he goes into the rotation.
Kyle wasn’t going anywhere. Hawkins was/is a 6th/7th inning guy and Traber was supposedly a lefty specialist.
“Derek Jeter vs Indians = automatic DP”
Unfortunately this seems to be the status quo.
That Melky at-bat was HORRIBLE. Bad job by the coaching staff. 1. Melky can’t bunt.
2. After the 2nd try, the Indians were all over it and the Yanks tried it a 3rd time??? WTF!
“How did Ian end up doing, I see he didn’t give up any more runs.”
jennifer, he did OK.
all said, it was a positive outing. not great. but a step in the right direction.
the walks killed him. because the hits he gave up were mostly bloops and an infield hit.
he settled down fought through 5 when he looked like he would be done in 2.
he made a good pitch to Hafner, that he flared into LF for the 3rd run.
you could almost see him gaining confidence in his stuff in the last few innings. when he got down in the count, he threw strikes and got batters to hit harmless fly balls.
that’s what he needs to do.
you can’t catch a walk.
The obvious answer is Carl Pavano – he’ll hopefully be back soon.
“I don’t like what Jeter has become, where is that fire? Where is that hustle? He really seems to be going through the motions. I don’t get it.”
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My friend, its called Father Time and its catching up to the Captain.
This Yankee fan hysteria is a little out of hand. We suffered the same beginning last year and we still ended up with 95 wins and a trip to the playoffs. Does everyone remember that its only April? We’ve got FIVE more months of baseball. Be patient.
The only real issue I have with Girardi is that running for six weeks during spring training doesn’t bring better baseball. You’d think with all that running we’d see more stolen bases, and god knows that hasn’t happened. Honestly, the team looks tired. I know they’ve had a ridiculous schedule, but even when they were at home they looked spent. Hey Joe, remember the turtle vs the hare??
What happened to Brian Bruney???? I didn’t get the memo.
“The obvious answer is Carl Pavano”
That was a joke…right?
We’d have a better chance at getting Coney in the lineup!
Why not Pavano? The guy was tremendous…I mean we took him instead of Beckett….
He must be the answer, we just know it…
Why not Pavano? The guy was tremendous…I mean we took him instead of Beckett….
He must be the answer, we just know it…
TJ Booker said -
“My friend, its called Father Time and its catching up to the Captain.”
Nope, not buying it. If he was 36 or 37, I would agree, but he is what 33 or 34? That’s not old in baseball terms. He just seems to be a different player than he was 4 or 5 years ago. He isn’t the firebrand he once was.
I agree about all the negativity around here, it is a little early to