Game 25: Yankees at Indians
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- April
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YANKEES
Damon LF
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Rodriguez DH
Giambi 1B
Duncan RF
Ensberg 3B
Molina C
Gonzalez 2B
Kennedy RHP
Notes: The man, the myth, the legend that is David Shelley Duncan is back with the Yankees and hitting sixth. He was, as you might imagine, quite excited. We shook hands and it still hurts. … No word yet on the corresponding move but I would guess Chris Britton’s stay is over. … The Yankees are facing lefty Jeremy Sowers. … That’s quite a bench today: Abreu, Cano, Posada and Matsui. Those four make more than some teams.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 2:45 p.m.: In a bit of a surprise, the Yankees optioned LHP Billy Traber to Scranton. It certainly was deserved given his poor performance this season. The final straw was last was when he walked Grady Sizemore with two outs then barely paid attention as he stole second. He then scored on a single. If you can steal second on a lefty that easily, something has to be done.
Now the Yankees have a bullpen without a lefty or a long reliever.
UPDATE, 3:17 p.m.: Kevin Long is doing the lineup intros on Fox - much to the delight of Derek Jeter and Jorge Posada. Shelley Duncan also interrupted with a few whoops.
As for the NFL Draft: I hope the Patriots trade the No. 7 pick and go down the board to take the DB McKelvin from Troy State. But if they do stay at 7, it better be for Gholston, McFadden or Dorsey.
UPDATE, 3:26 p.m.: Joba has a hamstring problem, the result of slipping off the mound in Chicago on Thursday night. He was not available yesterday. Joe Girardi said the injury doe not impact how he will be used. Whether that is true or not, I have no idea. It has become fairly evident in a short time that Girardi will play loose with the truth about injuries. He said that Bruney’s MRI showed no structural damage. Well, execept for the fractured ligament that will require surgery and keep him out for the season.
UPDATE, 4:24 p.m.: Was that really a hit and run with Giambi and Molina?
UPDATE, 5:28 p.m.: Though the 4th inning today, Ian Kennedy has now thrown 17 complete innings this season. He has retired the side in order four times.
UPDATE, 6:01 p.m.: The Yankees were 0 for 6 with RISP until Posada delivered there.
UPDATE, 6:04 p.m.: So what are we to make of that outing by Ian Kennedy? He finished up strong. But he allowed three runs on four hits and three walks in the first two innings and threw 57 pitches. He needed 105 pitches to get through five innings, which is way too many. But I’d say he should stay in the rotation. If you’re going to develop your pitchers, stick to it.
UPDATE, 6:15 p.m.: The Attorney General saved LaTroy Hawkins there. What an inning that was. Meanwhile, where was Giambi going when he broke toward second?
UPDATE, 6:35 p.m.: The Yankees are playing with fire here, using Hawkins for a second straight inning. Does this indicate that Farnsworth (elbow) and Chamberlain (hamstring) are out?
UPDATE, 6:48 p.m.: Now Farnsworth is in. This should be interesting.
UPDATE, 6:50 p.m.: That’s three straight innings the Yankees have walked the leadoff hitter. That has to come back and get a team eventually.
UPDATE, 6:54 p.m.: Brutal call there by Derryl Cousins as Cano juggled the ball. The question now is whether Carroll will steal second.
UPDATE, 7:00 p.m.: It’s time to get a lead and get Mo in the game. I don’t know how much longer they can walk a tightrope with this bullpen.
UPDATE, 7:08 p.m.: First and third, one out. Now is the time with Jeter and A-Rod up. The Yankees are a 2 for 12 with RISP to his point. They’re overdue.
UPDATE, 7:11 p.m.: Wow, that’s brutal. Jeter stung the ball — right into a DP. … Now Ohlendorf is in. I guess Joba is not available. This game could be over fast.
UPDATE, 7:19 p.m.: This is either a game-ending hit or an inning-ending DP.
UPDATE, 7:20 p.m.: Or a wild pitch. Might as well walk Hafner now.
UPDATE, 7:21 p.m.: Same thing as Hafner, Martinez either wins it or we go on.
UPDATE, 7:22 p.m.: That’s the game. You can’t walk nine batters and expect to win many games. That’s three straight losses and a 3-5 road trip so far. Back later with some updates from the clubhouse.
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WOOT WOOT DUNCAN IS BACK!!!!
Still dont want Giambi playing 1st base. =[
Let’s go Tampa Bay Raysssssssssss
Shelley Duncan:
http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/770/770593/south-park-20070306115011360.jpg
SHELLEY!!!!
On the way to cleveland now. Pete wat bar u goin to after the game?
That’s it ….. just keep throwing Giambi out there. Outrageous !
Shelley! Shelley! Shelley!
With this line up Girardi is showing how he is different and not simply loyal to the guys. The only spot one can quible about is Giambi. But, it is the right thing to do to get him going after how he did yesterday.
Slam Duncan! Happy to see him back, hopefully he’ll pound a few off Cleveland.
Gonzalez get sent down?
You know, the one day I have tickets to see Scranton…
That said, it’s about time Shelley’s back and I’m glad to see the Attorney General get some playing time.
Let’s hope IPK can spare our non-existent bullpen!
“With this line up Girardi is showing how he is different and not simply loyal to the guys.”
No, this lineup makes it look like Girardi isn’t loyal to winning.
This lineup = ouch
cano isn’t sitting because of a lefty pitching. he’s just terrible against everyone.
Please DFA Traber!!!!!!!!!!!!
He’s just trying to get as many righty bats in there as possible against a lefty. Sowers struggled last year, but he was a good prospect and he’s got a good arm. It’s no secret Abreu struggles against tough lefties and that can mess him up. Cano is struggling period right now, a day off against a lefty isn’t bad thing.
oops didn’t realize that Gonzo was in the lineup.
Not loyal to winning? What are you talking about?
Cano is hitting .150. You don’t think he could use a day off against a lefty? Or, do you just want to see how low he can go?
For 2 years, they have sat Abreu against certain lefties so he doesn’t get out of his groove. Its how they give him a rest while also preserving his swing.
Giambi? Off last night, you have to see if it was a fluke or he is onto something. Also, with Arod as the DH, they needed to play a first baseman. Even a bad one because those are the rules. You have to play a guy at first.
Arod as the DH? Simple. He’s still hurting and they want him to blow out the quad. If that happens, that’s a 6-8 week injury.
Matsui has hardly rested this year. This is the perfect game to do it.
Posada is still hurting. Girardi said he would catch 3 of the 4 games. A day game after a night game is the perfect time to sit him.
If you just think a little, you will see Girardi cares about winning just fine. Todays lineup is easily explainable if you follow Yankee Baseball.
Its not like his everyday lineup is tearing the cover off the ball.
I meant to say they **don’t** want Arod to blow out his quad.
I hope that Kennedy has a good game today. He needs to challenge hitters more and trust his stuff. He needs to get ahead on the count - not fall behind and run up his pitch count.
My post was somewhat sarcastic
(thats for you SJ)
A-Rod, Giambi, Shelley, back to back to back homeruns…I am calling it.
Hey Glenn… Giambi was 2/3 with 2 HR’s and 3 RBI’s last night. He’s been awful granted, but don’t you at least want to see if he can put 2 games together and go on a run?? I do.
He’s too good a hitter to hit .125 all year long. He be up to a lofty .250 before any of us know it! hahaha. Still, I hope he comes around.
Kennedy needs to use his fastball first, locate on the inside and outside corner and then change speeds to keep the hitters honest. We need a big game from him tonight.
Depth is a good thing.
“No, this lineup makes it look like Girardi isn’t loyal to winning.
This lineup = ouch”
“My post was somewhat sarcastic
(thats for you SJ)”
No you weren’t. Trying to backtrack now that you realize what a stupid remark that was.
i think the young guns are about to bust out. i see ian taking control of the strike zone again starting today and hughes showed flashes the other day. i think the only real big problem with the bullpen is the starting rotation. give them 7 innings and turn it over to jobamo and they look like worldbeaters.
I’m going to go ahead and assume today’s lineup is an effort to get as many right handed bats in there as possible against a LHP.
It’s great to have Shelley back. He never should have been gone to begin with, and I hope they don’t part with him anytime soon. Hopefully with him around we’ll see more days off for Damon and Giambi. Hat-tip to Giardi for sitting most of the lefties today. Smart move.
Rebecca - I’m sure you are right. The Yanks face lefties the today, tomorrow and Sunday.
O/T - Who do you hope the Jets draft today? I hope they get McFadden.
If you just think a little, you will see Girardi cares about winning just fine. Todays lineup is easily explainable if you follow Yankee Baseball.
_________________________________________________________
Most fans don’t like to think or express thinking to fellow fans but more just react to everything that happens, unfortunately.
Fran-It looks like the Raiders and crazy Al are gonna pick McFadden
Giambi has actually put up good numbers in the last week…
6/16 6 Runs 3 HRs 4 RBI 1 SB .375 AVG .500 OBP.
He has 2 more very good games and he could win AL player of the week…or at least be in the running.
S.A. - I think you may be right. I knew there was a reason I have always disliked the Raiders. They are #2 behind the Patriots.
If not McFadden then Chris Long if he’s available.
Fran: I think Long was taken by the Rams. That said, I don’t care who the Jets draft as long as he actually isn’t a bust!
Fran-yeah. The Raiders are just a mess. Al is just crazy. Honestly, he might change his mind and pick someone else. lol.
It wouldn’t surprise me.
I am just wondering if the Giants will trade Shockey today.
S.A. - they are close to a deal with the Saints.
Yeah- I heard Long to the Rams. Matt Ryan goes #3 to the Falcons. Then crazy Al takes McFadden at 4.
But, nothing is definite yet. So, who knows.
SCREW THE RRRRRRRRRRAIDERS
BIG BLUE BABY !!! CHRISTMAS DAY AGAIN FOR REESE !
“I am just wondering if the Giants will trade Shockey today.”
you can bet on it
I personally hate the NFL draft. ESPN makes such a rediculous spectcle (sp?) out of it and it takes FOREVER. Even the 10 mins is too long. Its not like the teams don’t already know what their board is.
Drives me crazy. And Kiper and McShay the so called “experts” are wrong all the time and never get any criticism.
I think it would be a mistake to trade Shockey.
I hope Reese can get something good for Shockey.
I don’t really care for the lineup, to be honest.
SA last rumor was multiple picks including the Saints # 40 pick
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I had to comment on this WELCOME BACK SHELLEY !!!
and great to see Gonzo back on the field !
If I am the Jets and Long, Ryan and McFadden are gone I take Dorsey. If he is gone too, then I trade down.
“I think it would be a mistake to trade Shockey.”
he’s even told unnamed sources he wants to be traded why would you keep him .. I like Shockey but he chirps alot and demanding to be traded from a SuperBowl Champ, where is his priorities, just like Gibril …
John Danks 15 up, 15 down for the White Sox.
I’m a Jets fan; the draft is the highlight of my football year.
ugh a weak line up with Kennedy pitching.
Brandon ~ I would keep him since he’s one of the top 5 offensive players at his position, and he’s an absolute beast on the field. The only question with him is his club house affect. Personally I think you never get equal value back in the trade a of great player, so I would keep him. What’s he going to do, sit out the season? Nah. He’ll be there.
I believe that Eli (who I’ll admit I was never the biggest fan of) has come of age and it is now “his clubhouse” and that Shockey’s antics won’t affect the team chemistry. Shockey is a great player, but he has to learn to play well with others. I believe he can.
trade shockey and draft a good run blocking te to replace him, his productivity and time on the field are going to drop. they dont need to go back to the days of bitching about the coach.
James G the thing is I don’t need Shockey’s antics on my team, remember they won a Super Bowl w/o him, Eli improved w/o him, Eli took the leadership role when he was out. Right now the only thing the Giants need to do is build around Eli, B&J and Osi
I like Shockey too, but I think he has some growing up to do still. Plus when was the last time he played a full season? He is always getting hurt, not that it is always his fault. Also, he supposedly wants to be reunited with Sean Payton. I just don’t want any drama next season. I trust what Reese decides to do.
Back to the Yanks-I hope Kennedy has a good/solid game today. Would be nice if the pen can be somewhat saved. Crossing my fingers.
Maybe Ohlendorf should get sent down…or better yet, put Farnsworth on the DL for that elbow thingy. Sure he may claim nothing’s wrong, but who cares.
John Danks 15 up, 15 down for the White Sox.
A young, somewhat highly regarded pitcher who struggled mightily last year. Funny how that works isn’t it? Wonder if fans on White Sox blogs were calling for his head last year?
Well, they probably were, but you get my point.
Seriously, is Britton ever going to get a chance with this team?
SHELLY DUNCAN IN THE HIZZOUSE!
Again. The way it should be.
The Giants won the Super Bowl ! They had a parade !!!
Now it’s Yankee time !!! Shutup with the NFL draft, Shockey etc.
Play Ball !!!
WHOZAT remember the buy low debate me an you had
8.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 10 K’s
3.54 ERA
GO/AO 6:7
he may be turning the corner PT/S 107-73
Larry - was that the roster move? Britton down for Duncan.
Also, it’s about time that Cano got benched! I wonder how he feels about Melky’s BA being twice his?
I can’t believe people actually sit and watch the NFL draft.
I know Joe II has followed Joe I’s practice of sitting Abreu against difficult lefty-pitchers to protect his timing. But does Sowers qualify?
Also, I’m curious that of all the lefties Joe II chose to play, he selected Giambi. I guess last night persuaded Joe II that Giambi was set to explode. I can’t fathom why else he wouldn’t play Duncan at 1B and either Abreu or Matsui in RF.
Joe II seems to avoid consistency in the lineup as a matter of principle.
HAHAHAHAHAHA, what you like a houston fan, falcons maybe!
deal with it, G-Men win again!
“8.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 10 K’s
3.54 ERA
GO/AO 6:7″
Who were we talking about?
“Maybe Ohlendorf should get sent down…or better yet, put Farnsworth on the DL for that elbow thingy. Sure he may claim nothing’s wrong, but who cares.”
so Ohlendorf being used wrongly by the staff and not succeeding in a role many wouldn’t is a reason to send him to AAA ? he throws strikes, gets ground outs and strikes people out when used right. As for Farnsy ehhh…………
“Who were we talking about?”
my lefty
Cano and Melky are best friends and I think Robinson is probably very supportive and vice versa.
Even though I hate this lineup, it’s nice to see Melky moved up.. he does not belong in the 9 spot!!
“so Ohlendorf being used wrongly by the staff and not succeeding in a role many wouldn’t is a reason to send him to AAA ?”
No, because he needs several days off. Wouldn’t swapping him for Veras or Britton for the next ten days help the team? It’s not punishment, it’s logistics. They need arms _now_.
Though I’d rather see them DL Farnsworth and keep Britton.
Larry: Britton? Probably not. He had a chance last year, didn’t do so well, so that probably doesn’t bode too well for his chances.
“my lefty”
. . . Sanchez?
They only moved Melky up because they needed a #2 hitter with Derek moving to the 3 spot. When Abreu plays he goes back to 3, Derek to 2 and Melky moves down.
“He had a chance last year, didn’t do so well, so that probably doesn’t bode too well for his chances.”
It’d be really dumb of the Yankees to label him based on a couple of appearances last year between which he sat for days at a time. Especially since he succeeded in the majors in 06 and has done nothing but dominate — with good peripherals — in the minors. Is he really so much different than Albie? Neither has dynamite stuff, but they throw strikes and get outs. They’re exactly the kind of guys I want throwing the 4th - 6th on days when my starter gets roughed up…which could easily happen today.
damn, because of the fox contract, i cant watch the tigers on mlb.tv (while i watch the yanks on tv). have been watching them alot, the al central is going to be real interesting this year, both have major pitching problems (worse than yanks imo)
“. . . Sanchez?”
yup
“No, because he needs several days off. Wouldn’t swapping him for Veras or Britton for the next ten days help the team? It’s not punishment, it’s logistics. They need arms _now_.
Though I’d rather see them DL Farnsworth and keep Britton”
well that makes sense, other people are sounding off on him as a bust that’s why I said it wouldn’t be ideal, but to send him down for a breather that I would understand because he is not a long man
indians detroit and whitesox all have pitching problems i meant to say
Ian 2 innings today. And the Yankees are lucky he’s going that long.
whozat: I agree, it would be dumb to label him based on a couple off appearances, but given the depth the Yankees have, he would have to perform really well to stay up here.
Hopefully he performs as well as he can and earns his chance, like Gonzalez and Moeller.
Hopefully, though, Ian has a good start and the 4th-6th becomes a moot point….Yeah, I’m delusional, so what?
Why isn’t Matsui playing? He is hitting .321. He hits lefties and righties, he is an everyday player and hit a home run last night. Girardi: let him stay hot by putting him in the lineup!
““. . . Sanchez?”
yup”
You coulda just said that
Kid had a great outing, no doubt. Though, it was against a team managed by Dusty Baker, who HATES walks. So, it doesn’t surprise me that guys were swinging and thus got dominated. Kid’s a power lefty…if guys aren’t going to wait him out, they’re going to get beat, and badly.
ian goes 6 2/3 today and gets the W.
I’m gonna channel my inner crazy and say Ian lasts till the 7th.
“Hopefully he performs as well as he can and earns his chance, like Gonzalez and Moeller.”
They lucked into a chance and certainly did a good job. I’d just like to see Britton GET that chance. He’s not done anything to make me think he doesn’t deserve it. I think he’s given up runs in one outing so far this season. The rest were all scoreless. Given that Albie and Ollie are both unavailable today, and Joba maybe should be…and who knows what’s up with Kyle’s elbow…I’d REALLY want to keep Britton around for today. Send Traber out, or send Ollie down for a breather, but I feel like I need an arm in that pen TODAY.
Yanks4Life: Even the best players need a day off on occasion.
whozat he dominated yesterday a lineup w/ 1/4 of his outs coming via the ground out. I mean 10 K’s to a lineup w/ Griffey, Votto and Ross ain’t nothing to neeze at, in the 8th he got gased that’s when B.Philips hit a HR
I guess Posada isn’t “fine”. Anyone else sick of the lies?
sneeze*
”S.A.-Phil Hughes was saved and Joba will be a starter!
April 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
I’m gonna channel my inner crazy and say Ian lasts till the 7th.”
Yeah I guess you are.
After Danks went 15 up and down, hes now losing to “Plaxico” Buress 2-0.
I guess Posada isn’t “fine”. Anyone else sick of the lies?
First off, it’s a day game after a night game.
Second, would you prefer Cashman just faxed a detailed injury/medical report on every player in the organization to every GM and scout in MLB?
Get a clue.
“whozat he dominated yesterday a lineup w/ 1/4 of his outs coming via the ground out. I mean 10 K’s to a lineup w/ Griffey, Votto and Ross ain’t nothing to neeze at, in the 8th he got gased that’s when B.Philips hit a HR”
I’m not saying he doesn’t have good stuff. I’m saying that he has poor control of his stuff. A team that is willing to wait for their pitch against Sanchez can handle him. A team that isn’t (like the Reds) is probably going to get DOMINATED because his stuff is filthy.
i am worried that they may have let moeller got too soon. the tribe couldnt wait to run on jorge yesterday and thats gonna continue till he starts throwing guys out (only 1 so far this year) i think they might have thought they could get away with an 80% jorge behind the plate but eric wedge was having none of that. now the word will spread like wildfire and they will have to keep molina in there longer. i bet we see jorge at dh again tomorrow.
it’s a big game for both pitchers for different reasons. sowers was good as a rookie two years ago,and then was sent down last year for not being able to throw strikes.
sowers illustrates the problem with bringing up young pitchers.
even when they are good for one summer,it doesn’t mean they are going to get better the next. they can easily go backwards like sowers did.
kennedy is now at that point where he’s got to get back to what he was last summer. if he doesn’t he’ll be replicating what sowers did and be back at triple a .
“but eric wedge was having none of tha”
yeah…TWO whole stolen bases, one against billy traber who gave up just an ABSURD jump to the runner. Certainly spells disaster.
“even when they are good for one summer,it doesn’t mean they are going to get better the next. they can easily go backwards like sowers did.”
So…no team should ever bring up young pitchers?
his next start is vs the Rockies so you know I’ll be paying attention. I mean it don’t get anymore patient than the Rockies in the NL
Hi “what.”
I agree that it will be a short outing. But I think he’ll last only 1 and 1/3 innings.
So why, exactly, have the Yankees not called up Rasner yet?
I mean despite the fact that Rasner’s supposed to start tonight, and all?
All of you Chris Britton fans must be happy. Pete just posted that Traber was sent to SWB.
Hi”where”
We both agree it will be a short outing. But I bet you $1000 he will only go 2innings. Nothing less nothing more.
Becca… Rasner certainly pitching well. I though if Moose got bombed during his last outing Rasner would take his next start, but we all know how that turned out.
Rasner’s clearly not replacing Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, or Kennedy (at the moment at least) so the only candidate is Moose. If Moose continues to pitch well, Rasner will likely stay in the minors for a while longer. They don’t want to bring him up and put him in the pen (ala Joba), they want him to start.
Good move to send Traber to AAA. Not sure why people wanted him DFA’d when he had options left. He’s not that bad and it doesn’t hurt to see if he can continue working on developing into a lefty specialist.
He’s never been a lefty specialist before and was primarily a starting pitcher in the past.
I’m glad that they didn’t send Britton down. They’ll need him today.
Joba should not pitch today at all. He needs at least another day of rest.
Ohlendorf also should not start.
Britton can give them innings. Let’s see what he can do.
Not a bad lineup. Great bench though
“All of you Chris Britton fans must be happy. Pete just posted that Traber was sent to SWB.”
thank god
slow to the plate
allows runners to steal bases
doesn’t get lefties out
he needs a kick in the a..
Better no lefty than a bad lefty.
CB I’m not sure people realized he had options left. As Pete said we don’t have a long reliever, so how do we get Rasner up here, and when is he pitching?
3 sb’s in 6 innings, thats not good. they didnt steal after they ha the 2 run lead
It is a shame that Billy stunk when he came up. He did very well in st.
About Rasner: He’s starting today for Scranton, so I think the soonest he could appear for the big club is in four days or so, am I right? And I imagine that it’d be in a Ramiro Mendoza-ish role–mostly bullpen, with a spot start if needed.
CB - You took the words out of my mouth.
I couldn’t believe the jumps runners were getting on Traber last night. Forget testing Posada - why should he even bother to throw? Besides, I really don’t recall Chris Britton getting much playing time last season, for whatever reason. He was, as I remember, halfways decent with Baltimore. Let him show what he can do, and then, either keep him or make him part of a deal.
With all the young arms in the pipeline, it’s time to start making decisions as to who stays and who goes.
“…how do we get Rasner up here, and when is he pitching?”
Rasner is pitching tonight in Scranton.
That’s a very telling sign. If they are letting him make his start tonight that tells you that they are not anticipating that there is any significant chance of calling him up over the next 5 days.
Moeller’s been DFA’d so there’s a spot on the 40 man roster.
I think they may be going in a different direction than keeping a traditional long man:
A couple of important quotes from Girardi:
“We feel that Ohlendorf can give us 50-60 pitches, Albaladejo can give you 50 pitches and Britton can give you 40-50,” Girardi said. “In a sense, we feel that we’ve been covered every night.”
And from Pete’s notebook today:
“”We’ll just do it as we have people available to pitch. Farnsy is going to have to give us important outs,” Girardi said.”
Seems to me they are planning on using Ohlendorf, Albie and perhaps Britton together as a shared long man.
And using Farnsworth more to replace Bruney.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080425&content_id=2586698&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnered=rss_mlb
when hafner (1 sb last year) starts stealing on you, you’re not ready to catch.
Interesting that Rasner and Kennedy are on the same day. I really hope that Kennedy does well, but I wonder what happens if he is really awful again today? Any chance that they give Rasner the next start?
“So…no team should ever bring up young pitchers?”
because they can so easily go backwards, a gm has to have a back up plan for when they regress.
it’s not surprising that hughes and kennedy are having trouble this year after doing well last year. it happens.
a gm can’t just pick winners. he has to throw out a number of young pitchers he thinks will succeed and see who emerges.
the yankees are a little thin on the back up plan if kennedy regresses. let’s hope he doesn’t.
I’m a Yankee fan who is tired of being positive. I believe cashman should be fired immediately my 10 year old brother could had done a better job with a $220 dollars payroll.
The average Yankee fan is delusional, and doesn’t see how bad this team is and will be for many years to come.
CB: Who’s your pick to fill the empty spot on the roster?
“CB: Who’s your pick to fill the empty spot on the roster?”
Have you heard of a guy call Carl Pavano, Rebecca?
“A couple of important quotes from Girardi:
“We feel that Ohlendorf can give us 50-60 pitches, Albaladejo can give you 50 pitches and Britton can give you 40-50,” Girardi said. “In a sense, we feel that we’ve been covered every night.””
That seems like an epic waste of Ohlendorf. That kind of blows me away a little. I guess they don’t see late-innings potential in him? Or are trying to massage Kyle’s ego? I’m pretty disappointed that they’re uninterested in finding power arms to try in high-leverage roles outside of Kyle.
rebecca,
do you mean on the 40 man roster?
if so it’s definitely best to just leave that spot open and to use it as or when needed.
keeping the spot open allows flexibility.
say for instance they were to put rasner on it now but then he started pitching badly and they wanted to bring someone else up - say just to pick a name dan mccuthchen.
they’d be in the same bind of needing to clear a spot. then they might need to pass rasner through wavers (which I don’t think he’d clear).
that may be part of the reason why they’re concerned about using rasner.
leaving the spot open allows flexibility. they can open another spot by putting bruney on the 60 day dl also.
though i think they still believe the other guys are just better pitchers.
i find it hard to believe that Girardi is going to ask farnsworth to “step it up” to help fill in for Bruney instead of giving someone else (ohlendor? albie?) a shot to fill the 7th/ 8th inning role.
But I think that’s what may happen.
“The average Yankee fan is delusional, and doesn’t see how bad this team is and will be for many years to come.”
Saying stuff like this do you really think that anyone will take you seriously?
Interesting quote from Joe that CB posted above. I wonder if that plan for Ollie - who I think has pitched quite well - would be open to change once Joba becomes a starter. If not, then do they have another plan for that late inning spot. And don’t tell me Kyle. I’m thinking of one of the guys still in the minors - Robertson, Melancon, or someone else.
“he has to throw out a number of young pitchers he thinks will succeed and see who emerges.”
Yes. That is certainly not what the Yankees are doing this season.
“The average Yankee fan is delusional, and doesn’t see how bad this team is and will be for many years to come.”
“Saying stuff like this do you really think that anyone will take you seriously?”
I don’t care how people take me as. Im expressing my opinion. You read it and move on.
CB–Thanks. I’m not hugely familiar with the way the roster works or who needs to clear waivers or any of that fun stuff, so thanks for the lesson
Personally, I hope Moeller clears waivers so the Yankees can pick him up again, especially since we still don’t know for sure exactly if Posada’s okay or not–what he says is one thing, but Travis Hafner stealing a base is a completley different thing!
“That kind of blows me away a little. ”
Same here. I honestly just don’t get it. Why do they keep insisting Farnsworth can do a job he has definitively proven he cannot do for this team?
Just look at yesterday - the game was still in reach and Albie came in an threw two strong innings to keep them in striking distance.
Does anyone think that Farnsworth could have done that?
But Girardi seems to really believe in Farnsworth and also seems to not trust young relievers to throw high leverage innings (unless they have a 100 mph fastball and 90 mps slider).
It’s very dissappointing. They have options - it seems like they are chosing not to use them.
Perhaps this is all posturing with Farnsworth and they’re just trying to keep up (or baby…?) his confidence.
But at the same time relying on Farnsy would be very consistent with everything we’ve seen and heard from Girardi regarding his belief and trust in being able to reinvent Farnsworth since the winter.
“wonder if that plan for Ollie - who I think has pitched quite well - would be open to change once Joba becomes a starter.”
I think it needs to be open to change right now. I can’t tell if they’ve been saving him for long stints or if that’s just how they’ve needed to use him because there’s been a short outing at least once every three-four days. I’m really hoping that they keep Albie and Britton around to cover the middle innings with latroy, allowing Ollie to audition for a later role in the pen.
Yes, firing the GM immediately would really bring the necessary results this season wouldn’t it?
I didn’t realize Traber had options remaining. With options remaining, sending him to AAA makes sense.
Goes to show you the Yankees aren’t waiting long for guys to do their jobs. If they don’t, they are going to new faces.
I don’t know why some folks are freaking out over Posada not playing today. The Yankees didn’t “lie” at all re: his status.
Girardi said earlier in the week barring setbacks, Posada was going to catch 3 of the 4 games in Cleveland.
Today is a day game after a night game.
Now, think for a minute. If you are going to give your catcher one day off in this series, doesn’t it make sense to do it today?
The only thing I gather from Rasner and Kennedy working on the same day is, if Kennedy is really bad in this start, they could concievably go to Rasner for the next start in Kennedy’s spot in the rotation.
They can make room on the 40 man roster by placing Bruney on the 60 Day DL, if necessary.
Last night I gave Kennedy an over/under of 4.2 innings for this outing today. I didn’t check the thread again today, but as far as I know I’m the only person who took the over. Did I set it too high or is no one feeling too optimistic about Ian’s prospects today?
whozat - Agreed.
I have a question for any of you that would care to reply - Knowing that a poor outing by a rookie pitcher might change another teams opinion of him do you think it’s possible that Cash & Co. have decided not to send up certain pitchers if he can avoid it so he can use them as trade bait in the months going forward? It is just a thought I’ve had and wondered if any of you thought along those lines.
“but Travis Hafner stealing a base is a completley different thing!”
When did this happen? Two SBs happened off traber, and they were his fault. His windup takes FOREVER.
what–Right now you’re coming across as the arrogant, entitled fan that gives Yankees’ fans as a whole a bad name.
I don’t care what you say, but if your team makes the playoffs for twelve straight years, you don’t suck.
“Yes. That is certainly not what the Yankees are doing this season.”
you see a back up plan of another good young strater if kennedy fails? you must know something i don’t. what would that name be?
whozat: Ach, my bad. I was at the Rochester game last night, so I didn’t see what happened.
Once again, I have yet to learn not to make assumptions!
“Knowing that a poor outing by a rookie pitcher might change another teams opinion of him do you think it’s possible that Cash & Co. have decided not to send up certain pitchers if he can avoid it so he can use them as trade bait in the months going forward?”
No. Who’s in this boat that you’re talking about?
so who did they call up from AAA???
Well, if Girardi is going to refer to Farnsworth as “Farnsy,” so am I. It may be childish of me, but it might make me feel better.
Farnsy, Fransy, Farnsy.
I like Krazy Karl, Farmsy, as Bruney rather than the setup man, although what happens if Joba starts? And then what happens if Joba gets pounded, which is a possibility. He’s a talented and dominating young man, but starting a game won’t allow him to throw the non-stop heat he dishes when he comes out in the 8th. And once we move Joba out of the bullpen this year, we don’t want to move him back.
spin it however you want posada is (i believe) 1-12 in throwing out runners. he is going to be run on constantly until he starts throwing guys out.
Info on Wilson
Any chance they can trade him based on what he does down there?
Randy: There is one pretty good young pitcher who can take over if Kennedy bombs. Joba Chamberlain.
Beyond Joba, the best choice would be Dan McCutcheon. He won’t be long for AA with the way he is dominating that league.
Shockey Update
Maybe all this posturing by Joe and Co. is to build up trade value?
“you see a back up plan of another good young strater if kennedy fails? you must know something i don’t. what would that name be?”
Alan Horne.
Dan McCutchen
Jeff Marquez
Darrel Rasner
Steve White
Jeff Karstens
There is an enormous lack of pitching all across baseball. Just look at the Mets. Look at the sox.
There is no way to have an infinite set of backup options in terms of pitching.
The yankees actually have a number of pitchers they could turn to if Kennedy really does prove that he’s just not ready.
I forgot about draft!! 2 picks to find out what direction the jets go in.
Can’t trade a guy who can’t see. Regardless of what he does in a rehab assignment, teams are going to be very leery about trading for him unless they are sure he is 100% healthy.
I don’t understand the belief that Joba won’t be able to sustain velocity as a starter.
You do realize he was throwing 98-100 MPH in the 6th and 7th innings of most of his starts last year.
Why he is a special talent as a starter is because he can sustain velocity late into games.
cb I notice you left off Igawa.
“spin it however you want posada is (i believe) 1-12 in throwing out runners. he is going to be run on constantly until he starts throwing guys out.”
He’s thrown out 2 of 15. Last year, Yankees were the 2nd easiest team in the AL to steal on after Toronto. Lot of it’s on the pitchers, but a lot of it is on Posada not being a very good catcher too. Offense is too good to resist from that position. Makes his below average defense is more than acceptable because of the bat.
I REALLY HOPE…..kennedy has a nice outing because if he doesn’t, I understand the world is not over but, what are the Yankees going to do?
Well there goes the Jets franchise rb
jennifer,
the thought actually crossed my mind… but then sanity returned.
he is dominating AAA. the perfect AAAA arm.
Did you guys see the jumps they were getting last night. If Jorge had a cannon for an arm he still wouldn’t have gotten him.
“you see a back up plan of another good young strater if kennedy fails? you must know something i don’t. what would that name be?”
Alan Horne. Joba Chamberlain. Dan McCutchen, perhaps, by the second half. Marquez could easily turn it around and be back-end insurance. Rasner is a fine insurance policy for Kennedy until someone with more upside pushes his way to the fore.
Dude…you just have unrealistic expectations. What team has multiple young MLB-ready starters waiting in AAA in addition to several in the majors? The Yankees started the year with one dynamite young starter in their pen, another guy who could show himself ready with a good few months in AAA, and a couple of guys that could serve as swingmen. That’s four backup plans if a young starter struggles. Should Cash have predicted the future and known that Horne would miss a few weeks while Kennedy struggled? Should he have known that Karstens would have a groin issue?
cb- The only way you get Igawa to pitch well is to tell him 2 minutes before that he is pitching.
The scary thing is, its April 26 and teams all around baseball are beating the bushes looking for pitching.
Even the Red Sox are actively looking for pitching in the marketplace.
Fact is, there is a real shortage of pitching in the game.
Even a Friday night A ball game in Charleston was attended by more than the usual number of scouts.
Its one of those years where nobody is comfortable with their pitching.
Its why its getting clearer and clearer the Yankees are basically holding open tryouts within their organization in order to find guys who can get outs.
Fortunately for the Yankees, their options are a lot better than a lot of teams right now.
never thought about how awesome it is to see your team draft last!
Pete - or anyone - I know this is off-topic, but I’ve read conflicting things about McFadden - That he is small and not strong for an NFL RB. Opinions or thoughts? Because there are rumors that the Jets are hot for him, and I just want some lowdown.
“Well there goes the Jets franchise rb”
Jennifer - my thoughts exactly
“I don’t understand the belief that Joba won’t be able to sustain velocity as a starter.”
This is really one of the most mystifying aspects of the entire discussion. It really is.
It’s one of those issues where it doesn’t really matter what reality is or what the facts are.
Some made up perception cannot be dislodged no matter what the empirical observations are.
It’s just strange. It’s kind of similar to when people substitute some rigid ideology for facts.
Joe too late, he went to the Raiders.
cb you had to hear Kay screaming yesterday that Joba wasn’t able to sustain his velocity in the second inning. said well maybe it was the wet mound. but still.
Alan Horne.
Dan McCutchen
Jeff Marquez
Darrel Rasner
Steve White
Jeff Karstens
1) Karstens, White and Marquez aren’t MLB level pitchers. Marquez is the most likely to become one of the three. Only one in the lot who’s ceiling is more than a #4 is McCuthchen.
2) What’s up with Horne? We can rule out the “he’ll miss one start” pitch the organization orginally offered. He’s a potentially good low end of the rotation guy. When’s he pitching again?
“There is one pretty good young pitcher who can take over if Kennedy bombs. Joba Chamberlain.”
i like that answer with joba, but i thought from reading the tea leaves that cashman is waiting until at least mid june and maybe later for that.
i mean between now and then if kennedy doesn’t come around. now mccutcheon sounds interesting, but isn’t that a stretch from double a. that’s still what i mean by thin.
i guess one person’s thin isn’t necessarily another’s.
Rashard Mendenhall from Illinois is available for the Jets if they want to go in that direction at RB. Chiefs will more than likely take Glenn Dorsey next.
BLASPHEMER!!!!!!
Oh my talk about bling anyone see the watch Glenn Dorsey is wearing.
“Lot of it’s on the pitchers, but a lot of it is on Posada not being a very good catcher too.”
I think a lot, lot more of it falls on the pitchers. Pettitte is the only one that’s good at controlling the running game. Wang isn’t bad, I guess. Jorge’s average on D. He was better in 06 and 07 than he had been for several years prior.
Sorry, if I was unclear - I wasn’t talking about Kennedy or any of the guys up now. I was wondering if perhaps they were keeping some of their other good young arms that they don’t feel they need to keep to perhaps bundle with another player/prospect to bring in whatever help they determine will be needed. Sorry if I offended anyone; I just asked if anyone had a similar thought.
Two more scoreless innings for David Robertson this afternoon in Trenton.
His season numbers are mindboggling. 8 games, 16 innings, 7 hits, 1 run, 6 BB, 23K’s, .056 ERA.
waiting to move joba until one or more of those guys steps up to take his spot is the right way to go. they are only going to get so many starts out of joba and theres alot more chance that there will be alternatives after the asb.
i read on espn that the yanks had been working on houston to get oswalt recently, anybody else hear that?
“Fact is, there is a real shortage of pitching in the game.”
bingo!
it’s there, but it’s spread all over the league now.
after watching the red sox last night basically concede a loss in a tie game by leaving 42 year old timlin in there, i knew the red sox have just as many problems as the yankees in finding pitching.
Ken Rosenthal likes to speak out his you know what, since when did Brian Cashman even hint going to LAD…moron !
CB and SJ: You know what the sad thing is? Despite all the pitching depth and options we do have, people will still say we suck and that Phil and Ian are busts if they fail to notch a win by May (in Phil’s defense his first game and last outing are just plain bad luck, same for the game Ian had in Tampa).
Sometimes I feel like the Yankees need to have one bad year–and I mean miss-the-playoffs-bad–for fans, especially those my age that only know dynasty teams, to realize exactly how good we’ve had it.
did Sj44 post a report on Charleston game last night or did I miss it?
“Only one in the lot who’s ceiling is more than a #4 is McCuthchen.”
So it only counts as “depth” if the guys are potential front-end starters? They have TWO potential front-end guys in the majors already. Show me a team who can do that and still have another in AAA.
We’re talking about serviceable replacements here. Guys who could produce as a back-end arm for a couple months. That’s exactly what Rasner, Karstens, etc are.
As for Horne, he’s throwing again, no?
The news just keeps getting better and better for the Yankees.
And what the heck does a hamstring problem mean?
well the NYJ your picks awaits
Pete, for the love of all that’s holy, please tell me you didn’t just use “Joba” and “injury” in the same sentence…
“Karstens, White and Marquez aren’t MLB level pitchers.”
You’re not being realistic about the question.
The question was - what is the BACK UP plan.
Back up plans, particularly for pitching, are put into place as a contingency if things go wrong.
There is only so much you can plan for things to go wrong.
So the main backup plan this year was Horne. He had a muscle strain. They still have McCutchen. I have no idea what you’re saying with Marquez - he’s not pitching well at this moment but he is definitely a good prospect and most talent evaluators feel that he is going to be a major league pitcher - he may not have “high ceiling” but he does have a low floor, which is fine for a guy who profiles to be a back end starter.
But once you start getting down to the 9th, 10th, and 11th spots on the starting pitching depth chart - of course it’s going to be a stretch.
Nonetheless, if you compare the 9th, 10th, and 11th starting pitching options the yankees have to the 9th, 10th and 11th starter options almost any other team in baseball have the yankees are much, much better. For the 9th, 10th, 11th type guys Karstens and White are actually good options.
What team has 10 major league caliber starters in their organization who could all pitch and succeed in the majors right now?
Very, very few teams can even come up with 5 viable guys never mind 10.
“i read on espn that the yanks had been working on houston to get oswalt recently, anybody else hear that?”
it was a BS rumor started by Peter Gammons, Oswalt, Houston and Ed Wade aren’t too happy about it.
Astros.com
The Red Sox dipped into AA to give Masterson the emergency start when they needed a starter. They don’t even have a Steven White, let alone a Darrell Rasner, in AAA.
The whole game is short starters and you just have to do your best with what you have got. Nobody is giving away pitching for washed up, overpaid veterans. Maybe in Fantasy Baseball but not in the real world.
Rebecca,
Fact is, a great number of Yankee fans are spoiled. They believe its their divine right to win the World Series every year, never rebuild, and every young player has to be great out of the gate.
If the internet existed back when Bernie Williams started his Yankee career, the drumbeats from folks to trade him would be heard through all five bouroughs.
The Yankees aren’t giving up on Hughes and Kennedy. If they stumble, they will send them to AAA but, they won’t give up on them because the talent is there. Its just a matter of getting it out of them.
I don’t have any special insights into the secret plans for the timing of Joba’s move to the rotation, but I don’t think it will depend upon how desperate the Yanks are to plug him into the rotation.
I think it will be driven by a calculation of how they can get him enough starts to be close to his innings cap by the end of the season while still leaving room for some innings in the postseason. If they move him too soon, it’s a sign of panic, and right now there’s no reason to panic. Particulary after last season.
“Pete, for the love of all that’s holy, please tell me you didn’t just use “Joba” and “injury” in the same sentence…”
Chicago’s mound he is day to day for now
Whozat:
Depth is great. Merely pointing out that no difference makers exist in that lot. I only buy into Horne and Rasner as guys who will be useful this year. McCuthchen is close, but probably needs this year in the EL/IL.
I’ve seen nothing on Horne, so I’ll gladly take your word for it.
Jets have picked Vernon Gholston. Everyone there liked it, so I guess it is good.
Jets pick Gholston first smart move they’ve made in 08′
is pete a pats fan
if fudging on injury info causes the other manager to be in the dark about joba (or anybody else’s) status, then fudge on Joe.
Playing the rain in Chicago got 3 pitchers hurt.
You play enough in wet conditions, this stuff is going to happen.
Gotta love MLB. They have no concern for their players allowing them to play in such wet conditions. Just get the games in. Its all that matters.
I heard Joba was receiving treatment all day yesterday for that injury.
The good news is, he won’t be available again today so they can rest his arm. The bad news is, he’s not pitched with any level of consistency (in terms of useage, not quality) since his dad fell ill.
Been a rough 2 weeks for Joba.
bernie yes. Just say 18-1 to him
yeah, pete is a pats fan but was very classy about the super bowl so be nice.
I cannot believe Joba has a hamstring problem because of that wet mound in Chicago.
I did not want Joba pitching in that game and many, many people thought there was no issue with it because the yankees had to win that game.
Girardi sat there - watched Farnsworth hurt his elbow by slipping on that mound.
And then let Joba throw 2 innings in Chicago.
He is taking chances with Joba that are completely unnecessary.
His bullpen management is absolutely mystifying to me.
Does he think he’s going to win the world series in April?
Why is he taking these kinds of chances with Joba?
They have to get him out of the pen.
sj How serious have you heard the injury is? Hamstrings scare me. Didn’t he injure his his first pro season?
Joba out for the season!!!! Oh Cr@PPPPPP.
Wait, is Joba available today, or for that matter in any game this entire series, or not?
Anybody listen to Suzyn on the pre-game? She often ascertains information about players’ injuries the team is trying conceal.
Sheesh - terrible news about Joba. When it rains it pours - and people wanted Phil out there in those conditions?
What exactly is it with Pete and his hate for Girardi? Every chance he gets, he makes a nasty comment. Last time I checked, I don’t recall Joe or even Cash being forthright about injuries and since when is the media obligated to know everything and anything? I guess Pete believes Joe lied about the MRI……..
If Joba is injured, I seriously may cry.
I love that boy.
Joba’s leg problem was in the NY Post today. I posted it earlier today. He slipped on the mound Thursday.
Like the Jets pick of Gholston
They let Robertson work a third inning for the first time this season in Trenton. Retired the side in order with a K.
His line today: 3 perfect innings, with 3 K’s.
His ERA for the season is now down to 0.53.
auh looks like my two favorite people are calling the game.
Yank Chick, don’t you get FOX in San Diego. Extra Innings blocks out the game because Fox is covering it. Or does FOX show a West Coast game instead of the Yankees-Indians?
Good for Girardi not to let all of the secrets out. Why give the opposing manager knowledge ahead of time that certain relievers are unavailable? It can change who he pinch hits with.
The problem was, they didn’t have anybody else to use in that game after Farnsworth got hurt.
He was going to pitch a second inning prior to hurting his elbow.
At that point, he had 3 pitchers remaining in the ‘pen: Joba, Traber and Mo, and remember, Mo worked 2 innings the night before.
That was the night they worked a pitcher short because of the Bruney injury.
I heard last night the injury wasn’t serious but that’s about it. Nothing really concrete.
I like the Jets pick of Gholston because they weren’t able to pick Darren McFadden. Apart from loathing the Jets as a Dolphins fan, I know Mike Tannenbaum and like him about as much as Dustin Pedroia.
ERA of 0.53? What the heck is he still doing in Trenton?
“you see a back up plan of another good young strater if kennedy fails? you must know something i don’t. what would that name be?”
Alan Horne.
Dan McCutchen
Jeff Marquez
Darrel Rasner
Steve White
Jeff Karstens
Couldn’t disagree more. Horne has been hurt this year. Marquez has gotten bombed. McCutchen isn’t ready. White doesn’t have the talent. Basically its Rasner or Karstens for a long man role or spot starter. And Igawa should be on that list also. If you’re looking for a set up reliever, I’d put Patterson at the top of the list.
Fox showing Tigers and Angels at where I live.
I’m surprised they had Robertson pitch a third inning. Not sure but I don’t think he’s ever gone 3 innings or if he has he hasn’t done it much.
Dan McCutchen was just dominant yesterday in AA. Perhaps his best game as a pro - 7 IP, 1ER, 12K,1BB, 7:3 GO/AO.
He needs to be in AAA.
SJ44, is your contact in the clubhouse or the front-office, just curious, if you don’t mind confiding it.
Kill Schill: The Dodgers have a Saturday game.
Kevin Long is hilarious.
Looks like a mute the tv and blast the radio day.
hah, Kevin Long is hilarious.
This game marks the return of Duncan! (He needs a nickname!)
I don’t care if its a righty pitching, a lefty pitching, or a guy is throwing underhand. There is NO REASON to have Abreu, Matsui, Posada, AND Cano out of the lineup on the same day. Its absurd. Especially against the Indians. AND Kennedy’s pitching, we’re going to need all the runs we can get.
I just don’t get it. Is Girardi trying to prove a point? What’s the deal?
How does Joba getting hurt on the mound have to do with his use in the pen? Phil got hurt in Texas and he was a starter
Anyway, I really can’t agree that Joba has to be rushed into the rotation- he’ll be put into the rotation by June or whatever given his innings caps.
are they preping Robertson for long relief or SU man ?
so Traber was sent down for Shelley?
This team hasn’t had any days off. He is resting guys. Jorge day after night. Cano has been stinking it up, giving him a breather, Matsui loses his spot by virtue of Alex dhing.
“The Red Sox dipped into AA to give Masterson the emergency start when they needed a starter. They don’t even have a Steven White, let alone a Darrell Rasner, in AAA.”
Didn’t they use David Pauley from AAA, a guy with a 1.17 ERA and sub 1 WHIP, who’s 2-3 years younger than Rasner???
Point is that great AA/AAA pitching numbers rarely translate well in the bigs unless you have great stuff (i.e. Hughes). EL/IL heavily favor pitchers.
“randy l
April 25th, 2008 at 10:07 am
let me get this straight. farnsworth slips on a wet mound and falls and hurts his arm and so girardi thinks this is a good spot for joba for about his 4th appearance in 6 games?”
hold on sj. what am i a psychic? i don’t see how his pitching under those conditons made sense. two yankee pitchers were hurt in a space of three innings on the same mound conditions.
is joba supposed to treated differently or not? i thought he was. if not, by all means run him out there in the rain or whatever.
so 3 ground outs out for David today 1/3 of his outs were by the ground outs.
First dust up with management? What in the world are they talking about.
Yes, randy…Girardi was deliberately trying to get his pitchers hurt. Never mind the fact that no one else is available. Girardi is trying to ruin the Yankees’ season.
There, are you happy now?
LOVE using the scrub lineup. keeps the bench guys in the game, the offense was getting real stale, failing to produce late inning runs. as for a kennedy day, if he bombs, all that offense wont help, if he does well, thier bench is better than 1/3 of major league teams.