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Why wasn’t Joba in? Depends who you ask

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc, Podcast on Apr 26, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi said that Joba Chamberlain wasn’t available because he pitched two innings on Thursday. What was left unsaid is that Chamberlain is injured.

Chamberlain has not physically been in the bullpen for two days as he receives treatment on a leg injury – apparently a mild left hamstring strain suffered when he slipped on a wet mound in Chicago.

As he left the clubhouse, Chamberlain was asked if he was getting treatment. He responded with a thumbs up as he walked away. When reporters sought a clarification from Girardi, he refused to give an answer.

Girardi also got defensive again when asked whether he thought Ian Kennedy had done enough to stay in the rotation. Given that Kennedy has a 8.53 ERA and the Yankees are 1-4 in the games he has appeared in, it’s a legitimate question. But Girardi didn’t think so.

“You guys ask me these questions before we have a chance to talk as a group and to my general manager, but I liked what I saw today. Four out of the five innings, he was very good. You guys are asking me to make decisions without talking to anybody,” he said.

“He’s in our rotation. I don’t mean to get irritated, but we talk as a group, as an organization. We talk about what’s best for all of our pieces, and we’ve been in here two minutes. I’m just saying that he’s in our rotation today.”

Whether Kennedy is in the rotation five days from now, we’ll see. These days, it’s difficult to tell what to believe.

All we know sure is that the Yankees have lost three straight and are back under .500.

UPDATE, 9:03 p.m.: Here is the audio from Girardi:

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188 Responses to “Why wasn’t Joba in? Depends who you ask”

  1. Butch Wynegar April 26th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Any specifics to the injuries to Jairo Heredia and Alan Horne??

  2. jennifer April 26th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Well I’ve said it the last two days Wang needs to step up tomorrow. Actually the pitching seemed to do pretty well today they did after all only give up 3 runs till the 9th. The hitting needs to step up and stop putting so much pressure on the pitching not to give up any runs!!

  3. Rob NY April 26th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    I’ll tell you what Girardi needs to go to the Joe Torre school of public relations. The guy had to know coming in he would be hounded every day, about everything. JT would have let you know what the deal was “Yeah kennedy looked good today and I liked that he went 5 innings but he had some bad pitches. We’ll talk about it and see where we stand.” Not that it would give you any real info but at least you felt like he was civil.

  4. TJ Booker April 26th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    “You guys ask me these questions before we have a chance to talk as a group and to my general manager…”
    —————-
    Did Joe Girardi not understand what he was getting into when he took the manager’s job of the most famous franchise in the history of sports that just happens to be the biggest media outlet in the world. His “surprise” at this type of questioning is really mind-boggling.

  5. chase April 26th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    I love my Yankees but I’m ready for nxt year with c.c and mark T.

  6. TJ Booker April 26th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Another thing – are the Yankees have become the most paranoid franchise in the universe?

    They spent five hours digging up a BoSox jersey so that it wouldn’t “curse” the new ballpark.

    Jeter was quoted saying that he was happy the ballpark was just across the street so that the “ghosts” won’t go very far.

    And now Girardi has to go through the front office first to answer questions about players that seem to be pretty obvious.

    What the hell is going on with this team?

  7. This Year April 26th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Feel like changing my blog moniker from This Year to Next Year. Very dispiriting every year to start like this– and so unfathomable. I agree with those who question the use of Ohlendorf, both during the season generally and today. Last year they set him up to be a dominating short man. Ditto this spring. Then presto he is a 40-50 pitch guy. Then JG uses him aone day after a 50 pitch outing with a rested Britton in the pen (who has a half year of very positive ML experience with Baltimore). Makes no sense at all, and that is what Pete and others should be asking after the game, not whether IPK is going down. I liked the fight in the latter tonight although the 1st 2 innings were like watching paint dry. But bottom line, no hit, no win.

  8. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 26th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    The baseball world is officially bass-ackwards. The Cubs are finding ways to win and are leading their division…the Yankees are finding ways to lose and are full of excuses. Maybe I need to check back in a month and see what is up….but this is sick to watch. The dagger in the heart 9th inning GIDP by JETER ?…that is the “poster” for all of our games so far this year….disgusting.. :-(

  9. Dee April 26th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    I have no problem with Girardi being secretive, but he needs to be more chilled when he handles the media. He gets irritated too easily. What does he expect, this is New York, reporters will ask tough questions especially after a loss. Sure I agree it was only 2 minutes after the game, in fact, even if it’s been 2 days after the game he doesn’t need to share anything if he doesn’t want to, but it’s the manner in which he answers them that needs to change.

    When he is jumpy like that, it raises more eye-brows and more idiots will question his maturity and his judgment. It’s a vicious cycle…

    Tough loss today. But I’m happy with IPK’s performance fighting on in his last 3 innings. I hope he gets another start and uses it well to show what he’s got. In the long run games like what we saw today will give him the experience and mental toughness he needs to be stronger.

    Go Wanger tomorrow!

  10. James April 26th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Girardi just needs to be Girardi – I don’t give a rat’s arse if he sounds irritated when talking to the media. If he’s defensive so be it. At least he’s not willing to commit anything without talking to the rest of the organization. It also looks sinister on Pete’s part – no post-game audio. Trying to stir the pot again eh.

    What I’m concerned is one again, Mo is left rotting in the pen on tied in a road game going into the bottom of the ninth. No one care about saves in this spot. It’s simple – they score, you lose. You can’t have your best pitcher in the bullpen not pitching. Very Torresque.

  11. DFA Duck April 26th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Looks like Girardi went to the Pep Boys School of Bullpen Management. Ohlendorf is the new Proctor, or Vizcaino, if you prefer.

  12. Alfred April 26th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Joe Girardi working Ross Ohlendorf

    Joe Torre working Scott Proctor

  13. This Year April 26th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Also, Edwar still has a 0.00 era at Scranton with about 2 sos per inning. Maybe give him a try? Nah, let’s wait until he has an era of minus 1 and averages 3 sos per inning.

  14. The Bronx Stop April 26th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    No Mo. No Chance.

  15. The Bronx Stop April 26th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    WHERE THE HELL IS SCOTT PATTERSON???

  16. randy April 26th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    This game was really disappointing today. You have 4 starters sittting on the bench. Yanks can’t hit w/RISP time after time. Yanks don’t even face two of the best pitchers in the AL, Lee and Carmona and they are about to get swept. This is begining to get ugly. Come on guys

  17. Wang IS Taiwan April 26th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    James, I doubt Pete’s trying to be at all sinister as you suggest. Suzyn Waldman mentioned Girardi’s irritability as she began her post-game report. It’s just such a vast difference in ‘tude from the master of chill, JT.

  18. pat April 26th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    What did Ian have to say?

  19. Alfred April 26th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Ross Ohlendorf is going to have a WEBSITE DEDICATED TO HIS FALLEN ARM BY THE END OF THIS SEASON. THANKS TO JOE GIRARDI

  20. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 26th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    The problem is that not only does everyone expect the Yankees to be World Series contenders every year, even in a rebuilding year, but that the Yankees run away with the AL East in April as well.

    It doesn’t happen like that.

    I really have to wonder sometimes if people realize how lucky we, as Yankee fans, are that our team can rebuild and make a serious effort at contention at the same time.

    Of all the other professional sports franchise out there, the only other one that’s had a similar run of luck is the Detroit Red Wings, and even they don’t win the Stanely Cup every year.

    Bumps in the road and growing pains aren’t just losing a game here or there; they’re going through three game or four game stretches without a win, and everything that goes along with that.

    It’s much too soon to start panicking.

    That said, “Joba” and “injury” do not belong on the same page, let alone the same sentence!

  21. James April 26th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    “And now Girardi has to go through the front office first to answer questions about players that seem to be pretty obvious.”

    It’s not obvious because pulling Kennedy out of the rotation will mean sending him down to Scranton and bringing someone up. Roster moves are not Girardi’s job. That’s Cashman’s. Hence the comment.

    And Charleston also decided to play like crap today. Not a fun Saturday.

  22. James April 26th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    “It’s just such a vast difference in ‘tude from the master of chill, JT.”

    Exactly. It’s the “Joe Girardi sucks because he’s not Joe Torre” Propaganda. It’s getting tiring.

  23. Dee April 26th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    “Girardi just needs to be Girardi – I don’t give a rat’s arse if he sounds irritated when talking to the media. If he’s defensive so be it.”

    James, I respectfully disagree. This is NYC advance media, when Girardi is jumpy like that it will only invite more scrutiny and more speculations in the press that will distract the team and the players. It may sound cool to say who cares about the press, but the reality is the press and the fans’ scrutiny plays a part in affecting the team’s focus, morale and performance. So yes it does matter.

  24. Eugie April 26th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    Pete, Can you ask Girardi who the manager of the team is? I’m starting to wonder.

  25. hmmm April 26th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    “WHERE THE HELL IS SCOTT PATTERSON???”

    PITCHING LIKE CRAP IN AAA.

    GET OVER SPRING TRAINING.

  26. Peter Abraham April 26th, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    I just posted the audio. Nothing sinsister involved, it just takes a little time to download off my recorder then upload onto the server.

  27. Rob NY April 26th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Thanks pete.

  28. CT April 26th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    The media can be a little irritating if they are asking the same questions every week. Does the organization really have much better options at this time?

  29. Az Bob April 26th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    You expect Girardi to be happy and talkative after losing 3 straight?

  30. SJ44 April 26th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Then don’t root for the team.

    You act as if the money gives you some guarantee in wins. It doesn’t.

    You don’t like the team, move one. I’m sure they will survive.

    Two thoughts on Girardi and the media.

    1. He at least prefaced it by saying, “I don’t mean to get irriated”. So, its not like he is being a jerk.

    He’s a young manager in a pressure cooker situation. He doesn’t take to losing well and probably isn’t one to volunteer information easily.

    Pete, I’m curious. Without sharing any confidences, in his off the record dinner with the beat writers, did he lay out how he was going to be, vis a vie, pre and post game remarks, injury information, etc?

    I ask because if he did and he is acting differently from what he said he would do, then that’s a legitimate issue for you guys (the beat guys) to have with him.

    On the other hand, if he is acting the same as he said he would, then its not a big deal, IMO.

    Its pretty clear, he’s not going to give injury information. That much we know.

    You can’t have it both ways folks. You can’t rip Torre for not being unhappy about losses, as many of you did last year when they started slowly, and then rip Girardi for being unhappy after losses.

  31. jennifer April 26th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Pete I think you are overreacting on Joe’s response. I don’t see anything wrong with what he said.

  32. James April 26th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    “You guys are asking me to make decisions without talking to anybody…” He continued on to say something about talking to his GM then garbled mess. Yes, there’s nothing fishy about that obviously.

    Look, I’m pissed off at Girardi – not because of how he’s talking to the media. I’m pissed off at the way he has been using the pen and having Mo not come into the 9th inning in a tie game on the road. That’s insanity. If you’re gonna attack him, go there. That’s merited. Not this not-being-media-savvy garbage.

    I’m also pissed off that laptops is pitching a one-hit shut-out against the Rays.

  33. EricNS April 26th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Pete – you are going to have a tough year covering them given that this seems to be a rebuilding year!

  34. jennifer April 26th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    And I cannot blame him for not wanting to share information on injuries. Why give teams a heads up on who might and might not be available. I know it makes your job that much harder. But you can’t blame him for his strategy.

  35. Joe from Long Island April 26th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Joe sounded dejected. It’s clear that he doesn’t like losing. Surprise.

    One question that I might have asked is about using Ollie in late innings, like today. If Ollie is a ground ball type of pitcher, and, as we know, sometimes ground balls get through, does that make it less likely to use him in late-inning, high pressure situations? Or does Joe feel that Ollie has the ability to get strikeouts, and just has to channel that ability?

    I, for one, would not exclude Ollie from late innings just based on today’s outcome.

  36. Paulie April 26th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Is anyone surprised? He’s been injured his entire life. Brief glimpses of brilliance, then injury setback. Rinse and repeat if necessary.

  37. PayRod April 26th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Interesting watching a real pitcher like Bucholz work as opposed to over-hyped Yankee farm trash like Kennedy & Hughes.

  38. jennifer April 26th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    You’re ticked off he didn’t bring his closer in, in a tie game on the road? So who pitches the 10th? or the 11th with the way the team isn’t scoring runs.

  39. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 26th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    You don’t pitch Mo in a tie game in the ninth on the road, because even if your team takes the lead, there’s still another inning to play.

    So he would then have to pitch two innings, which, while he can do, you want to avoid.

  40. mike April 26th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    peter is becoming real a nnoying questioning joe g daily

  41. SJ44 April 26th, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Who has been injured his entire life, Joba?

    What universe did you drop in from this evening, Mars?

    Now Hughes and Kennedy are “trash”?

    You are either a Red Sox troll or a moron. Perhaps both.

    Have mommy make you some warm milk and go to bed.

    Tomorrow you will think clearer.

  42. RSM April 26th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    “You can’t have it both ways folks. You can’t rip Torre for not being unhappy about losses, as many of you did last year when they started slowly, and then rip Girardi for being unhappy after losses.”

    The only thing more irritating than watching the Yanks lose, is thinking they don’t care. AFAIK, it’s refreshing to see a manager who’s visibly unhappy when they lose.

  43. SJ44 April 26th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    You don’t bring in your closer in a tie game on the road. The Red Sox had the same situation last night and didn’t bring in Papelbon.

    You may do it if its the playoffs but, you are not doing it in April. No manager is doing that in April.

    They didn’t lose the game because Mo wasn’t used. They lost the game because they couldn’t hit with RISP.

    That’s the issue of the day. Not pitching usage.

  44. James April 26th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    “You’re ticked off he didn’t bring his closer in, in a tie game on the road? So who pitches the 10th? or the 11th with the way the team isn’t scoring runs.”

    “You don’t pitch Mo in a tie game in the ninth on the road, because even if your team takes the lead, there’s still another inning to play.

    So he would then have to pitch two innings, which, while he can do, you want to avoid.”

    You guys do understand that if the home team gets a run in, the game is over right? No more 10th inning. No more Shot at getting the lead? It’s “Let’s what them celebrate on th field” time? Kinda like what happened today.

  45. PayRod April 26th, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    No idiot, they are not trash in the sense like you are trash. They are over-hyped Yankee farm trash.

    Not the same thing, at all. Understand ?

  46. SJ44 April 26th, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    JOe,

    One way of looking at re: using Ollie late in games. He’s a sinkerball pitcher. Which means, he’s always one groundball away from being out of an inning.

    He got the groundballs. Unfortunately, they found holes.

    The WP is what killed him today. Changed that entire inning.

  47. CT April 26th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    After listening to the audio it seems Girardi sounded more irritated with the offense than the pitching. The offense did have their chances all day.

  48. SJ44 April 26th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Oh look everybody, a tough guy troll in the house tonight.

    Always enjoyable to see gutless little twerps in the blog talking out of their butts.

  49. EricVA April 26th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    This is so funny to me. I think all of you can see now, it doesn’t really matter who the Yankees manager is. Everybody went on and on about how the Yankees wouldn’t be injured, they wouldn’t start slowly, they’d be energetic and the bullpen would be “used properly” under Girardi. Surprise! It’s the same. You know why? Because the players are the same. It’s going to take time to develop young pitching. As far as the bullpen goes, you can’t complain that Girardi uses Bruney, Farnsworth, Hawkins and Ohlendorf too much in all situations. If he didn’t, you’d all be complaining that he is overusing Joba and Mo. Pick one argument and stick to it. Or better yet, realize that the Yankees are simultaneously rebuilding and competing and be thankful. There’s no way any team, especially this one, hits .240 with RISP all season.

  50. Jeff NJ April 26th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    I haven’t listened to the postgame, but having watched a few others earlier this year, it’s pretty simple, Joe takes losing personally and gets very annoyed especially when they lose a winnable game. I can relate, it ruined my day too.

    Here’s what I would have done different today:

    1. Start Duncan at 1st and Matsui in Right. Matsui has been the best hitter on the team, let him play, rest Matsui.

    2. Start Posada, rest him tomorrow by letting him DH. Molina is a black hole right now.

    3. Let Kennedy pitch the 6th. This move didn’t kill them, thanks to Gonzo’s play, but still, why overuse the bullpen. Kennedy was cruising, one bad inning out of 5.

    4. I would have pinch hit Matsui for Ensberg in that spot (assuming he didn’t do point 1), I have no faith in Cano right now. In fact I would like to see Gonzo get rewarded with a start at 2nd.

  51. SJ44 April 26th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Paulie,

    He hasn’t been hurt at all since he has been a pro.

    He slipped on a wet mound and wasn’t available today. That’s not injured or being an injury risk.

    He’s also 50 pounds lighter than he was in college.

    Girardi said he would be available tomorrow. They are just being careful with him.

  52. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! April 26th, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Yeah, can’t believe we didn’t see Matsui in there at all today…strange, makes you wonder if he’s injured…

  53. PayRod April 26th, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Well you just proved my point Idiot. Trash.

  54. EricVA April 26th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Jeff,

    Kennedy had over 100 pitches after the 5th and Giambi hit 2 HRs yesterday. Can’t stretch Kennedy too much and you want Giambi to get something going already.

  55. chazzh April 26th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    “Brief glimpses of brilliance, then injury setback. Rinse and repeat if necessary.”

    that is a bit much- you are being unfair- he has been brilliant for longer than a glimpse- a season and half to be exacct- and he has been hurt for 2 days-

    if you are a Yankeee fan- try to relax- not overreact to a game in April.

  56. Mr. Exceptional April 26th, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Clearly it’s still early, but I was really hoping the Yanks would get off to a good start this year. Their record isn’t the end of the world, but they sure look lost. I’m not sold on Girardi yet, I said it the other day, but I think he may be over his head. Either that, or Cashman still hasn’t firgured out how to put a complete team together. Theo’s got him when it comes to assembling a roster.

  57. SJ44 April 26th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Paulie,

    He was 300 pounds in his freshman year at Nebraska.

    In his soph year he pitched between 260-270.

    He’s 230 now.

    There is nothing wrong with his mechanics and his mechanics had nothing to do with slipping on a wet mound.

    He was throwing 100 MPH deep into his games last year and had zero injury issues.

    He has had no injury issues as a pro. He slipped on a wet mound. It could have happened to anybody.

  58. hmmm April 26th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    “2. Start Posada, rest him tomorrow by letting him DH. Molina is a black hole right now.”

    day game after night game.

    this one is a gimme.

  59. EricVA April 26th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Paulie,

    His college coach was quoted as saying he lost almost 50 pounds during college, and he lost another 10 this offseason. He’s significantly reduced his injury risk from college. A random injury does not mean he’s always at risk.

  60. Jeff NJ April 26th, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Ok Eric, so what do you think they should have done different to win this game or was it fated by the Lord that the Yankees would be losing this game on this day?

  61. E-ROC April 26th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    I just think the Indians got lucky today. They played Jeter to hit the ball up the middle and that’s exactly what he did in the 9th inning with the double play. Not much you can do about that.

    Kennedy should stay in the rotation. He showed an improvement today with control. Had a bad inning, but was pitching his butt off the last three innings of his outing.

  62. hmmm April 26th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Pete, can we please get rid of the jackasses like Payrod?

    and there is someone using my handle in the previous thread.

    i know your job isn’t to police the blog, but a few simple measures would do wonders.

    i just don’t see the point of having comments like those from Payron in this thread. it adds nothing.

    and impersonators? please. i’m too old for this crap.

  63. EricVA April 26th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Ha no, Jeff. I’m with you on number 4…use Matsui instead of Cano. However, the Yankees put themselves in great position to win this game and then didn’t hit when it mattered (except for Posada). I think Girardi put them in the best possible position to win and they didn’t, simple as that.

  64. SJ44 April 26th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Jeff,

    Simple. Hit with RISP. One hit, you win the game. That’s it.

    No deep strategy needed. If Jeter drives in the run, in the 9th, for example, Mariano is on for the save.

    They had a lot of chances to win the game and didn’t get the big hit.

    Not much more than that today.

  65. RSM April 26th, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Kennedy left the game after 5 innings haven given up 3 runs. Most of us were disappointed because we expect great things from IPK, but that’s not a bad outcome for a fourth or fifth starter. They Yanks should have been able to win that game. The problem is, with little exception, our offense has been asleep at the wheel all month. Maybe the pitching staff could relax just a little if they had any run support. The only way this anemic offense can win is if they get brilliant pitching. Now what team can expect brilliant pitching every night?

  66. Jeff NJ April 26th, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    “day game after night game. this one is a gimme.”

    I hear you, but he played 3 innings today anyway. He also didn’t play on Thursday so it was one game in a row. Seems to be Posada should be in the lineup with A Rod DHing and Matsui, Abreu and Cano being off for a lefty. By the way, the lefty tomorrow is much better, couldn’t Joe have saved some of the off days for then?

  67. hmmm April 26th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    “You don’t bring in your closer in a tie game on the road. The Red Sox had the same situation last night and didn’t bring in Papelbon.”

    and you don’t see how both of those games ended up?

    both managers made the wrong decision.

    putting in Timlin was the same as forfeiting the game.

  68. PayRod April 26th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Another loser chimes in. Great.

  69. EricVA April 26th, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Hmmm,

    I think early in the season you have to go with other options and hope for the best. It isn’t do-or-die yet. What if Mo pitches 2 innings today, they win, then he’s unavailable tomorrow and they lost in the 9th? Then is it the right decision? As much as it sucks to lose games, you want to win the ones that you’re ahead late. There’s always tomorrow…

  70. chazzh April 26th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    great job by Bucholz

  71. chazzh April 26th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    he is a stud-

  72. SJ44 April 26th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Paulie,

    I don’t know what to tell you. I have stood next to guy. There is no fat on that kid now. He is a rock.

    I saw him pitch in college against the University of Miami when he looked like a whale. He’s like two different people now.

    If you want to believe he’s an injury risk based on an internet report, nobody is going to change your mind.

    But, the kid is built like a rock now and flexible to boot.

    He isn’t an injury risk and hasn’t been since he was a pro.

  73. David April 26th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    PayRod, your real pitcher Bucholz looked awesome until he blew the lead, LOL. It’ll be great when he gets slapped with the loss after that performance!

  74. hmmm April 26th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    “I hear you, but he played 3 innings today anyway. ”

    i don’t know, of all the things from today, he handling of Posada should not really be getting criticized.

    he tried to get him a day off, but when he saw that it was a crucial spot in the game, he went to Posada.

    and it paid off big time.

    he made a GOOD move with Posada today, seems odd to criticize him for that.

  75. BobK55 April 26th, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    The stud Buchholz was just let up a 2 run homer to Iwamura!!

  76. SJ44 April 26th, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Hmmm,

    I wouldn’t have put Mariano in the game today. They pushed him the other night by throwing him for 2 innings and I just wouldn’t have done it today.

    Reasonable minds can disagree with the strategy but, at this stage of Mariano’s career, I wouldn’t use him in back to back multiple inning outings this early in the season.

  77. hmmm April 26th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    “What if Mo pitches 2 innings today, they win, then he’s unavailable tomorrow and they lost in the 9th? Then is it the right decision? ”

    ok, but we don’t know what will happen tomorrow. what if they win 8-0 tomorrow? who knows?

    what we did know was that there was a tie game today and the Yankees HAD to hold the Indians to a scoreless inning or they lost.

    Mo was their best option to accomplish that.

  78. G.R. April 26th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Thanks SJ & Rebecca for some sanity here!

    I, for one, am so glad to see our manager HATING to lose! If you are that intense about winning, you are probably not going to be able to get over it in time to play nice with the media right away. I thought he handled it well, considering!

    Note: I’ve been a Red Wings fan since way before they won the Cup in 1997 (the first time in 45 years for them then!) and for any other Wings fans here: GO WINGS!!!

  79. David April 26th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    BobK55, it’s not Bucholz fault. He probably has guys like Dice-K teaching him how to pitch because Dice-K is infamous for his late inning homeruns that allow him to pitch just well enough to lose.

  80. Nick in SF April 26th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Here’s a happy report: Rays 2 Sox 1 FINAL

  81. Joe from Long Island April 26th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    I agree with the strategy of not using Mo today. However, the strategy of using your closer in a tie game on the road is controversial. Much better minds than mine will disagree.

    I agree with SJ a few posts up – we lost this game because on not hitting with RISP.

    Baseball is a tricky game. You can hit the cover off the ball and fail, or dink one and succeed. Go figure. At least we can have a drink or a good meal and get over it. For someone like Joe Girardi, who care passionately about winning, it ain’t that easy.

  82. David April 26th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Paulie, buddy, Papelbon is the Red Sox closer. He pitches one inning, that being the 9th. Bucholz gave up that homerun in the 8th.

  83. Todd Parlato April 26th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Rays went ahead of Sox in bottom of 8th, that’s why Paplebutt was not in game……..Jays close to losing too…

  84. EricVA April 26th, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    “I like to see young guys do well. Especially in losing efforts.”

    What does that even mean?

  85. Steve Balboni April 26th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    It wasn’t even a hit we needed from Jeter, just a routine fly ball for the runner on third to tag up. A simple fly ball and Captain clutchless can’t even do that. i’m not sure what was more pathetic watching that game, Jeters DP or Melky’s at in the 7th or 8th inng when he tried to bunt. Melky might be in need of a rest..

  86. 26 April 26th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Paulie,

    You should go back to BDD and cry with those guys…Boston has as many issues as the Yankees do these days. That was a bad loss tonight. Ha!

  87. raymagnetic April 26th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    One good thing about the Sox losing is that all of the idiot Sox fans will abandon this blog for the rest of the night. Good Times! :)

  88. Steve Balboni April 26th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    the redsox do have problems, but their rookie pitchers are doing MUCH better than our rookies are.

  89. Todd Parlato April 26th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Jays lose again, 10-15 now….I feel a Gibbons firing very soon..

  90. Kj April 26th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Yankees are a broken record…No Pitching yet again = another first round exit.

  91. Steve Balboni April 26th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    I’m curious to see if the resox whine about that HR. That guy stood at the plate, flipped his bat and posed a bit after hitting that HR off of Bucholtz.

  92. hmmm April 26th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    “I wouldn’t have put Mariano in the game today. They pushed him the other night by throwing him for 2 innings and I just wouldn’t have done it today.”

    SJ44, i will start by saying that you have probably forgotten more about baseball than i will even know.

    but i don’t think Mariano was really pushed the other night.

    he threw 17 pitches.

    agree to disagree.

  93. David April 26th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Steve, I noticed that also, but it’s about time the Red Sox get a little taste of their own medicine. Beckett and Manny are the biggest showboaters in the game and I didn’t see tonight’s game but god knows what was going on while Bucholz was pitching so well. I’m sure the Red Sox were enjoying it. The only thing Iwumara did wrong was he rounded the bases a little too quickly, he should have slowed down to rub it in a little bit more.

  94. pat April 26th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    May have already been commented on but I just saw on mlb.com the Sox put Sean Casey on the 15 day DL (hip) and Ortiz was out tonight because he banged up his knee on a slide Friday night.

    Both the Yankees and the Sox have looked like the walking wounded so far this year.

  95. Amanda from La. April 26th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    wow, so I can tell there is a whole lot of happiness going on here, not. everyone seems slightly hostile right now. just think about Wang pitching tomorrow, pretty sure it’s gonna be a good game! that should make everyone slightly happy.

  96. pat April 26th, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Kj

    Are you seriously commenting on 1st round exits in April? With the way the Yanks having been playing, there are plenty of other things you can have attitude about that are more time relevant.

  97. randy l April 26th, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    this is the disclaimer from” paulie’s expert”

    Disclaimer: Kyle Boddy is not a doctor or in any legal position to recommend how to throw or hit a baseball. All he is offering is his opinion on various MLB and amateur-level players; what you do with that information is up to you and at your own risk. All advice on the site is provided free of charge and carries no guarantees. Driveline Mechanics assumes no liability for injury as a result of using the mechanics or drills set forth on this website. If you have any questions whatsoever or need clarification, please contact kyle@drivelinemechanics.com.

    in other words, he doesn’t any any degrees and he’s making up a whole lot of stuff.

    nice try , paulie

  98. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 26th, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    You can talk about a first round exit being disappointing all you want, but this isn’t hockey or basketball, where more teams make the playoffs than don’t.

    To make the playoffs in baseball you either have to be the best team in your division or otherwise have the absolute best record in your league.

    Just think about this:

    In last year’s National League West, one can argue that Arizona, Colorado and San Diego were all better than any of the Central’s playoff teams, but because of the way the playoffs are structured, that doesn’t matter.

    The Yankees play in what should be considered the toughest division in baseball.

    If a first round exit is upsetting, how do you think fans of Toronto or Tampa Bay or Baltimore feel?

    Toronto’s got a team that, if it played to its potential, would contend in at least any of the NL Divisions, but, by virtue of geography, they’re nearly always odd-man out.

    I know I’m rambling. It just really bothers me that so many people think we’re entitled every year.

    Look, if there are any fans out there that have a right to feel entitled, they’re Cubs fans.

    Losing sucks and I hate it and I get really frustrated like any of you guys. I have every faith that the Yankees can win #27 this year, but you know, if they don’t, I’m not going to get apoplectic. Okay, so I might, but, I mean, that’s not the point.

  99. randy l April 26th, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    “SJ44, i will start by saying that you have probably forgotten more about baseball than i will even know.”-hmmm

    sj-
    quit impersonating hmmm

  100. Jax April 26th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    They’re saying on Hughes blog that Ensberg trained with Clemens.
    Anyone else heard of this?

  101. randy l April 26th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    paulie-

    people care a lot about joba ‘s future here. you were being pretty flip about throwing out a website to back up your position that joba is a health risk.

    i took a quick look at the link you provided, and i saw what looked like a wanna be web expert quoting people who do have degrees like tom house and mike marshall. you realize they are pretty controversial with major league baseball.

    when you read his disclaimer, it pretty much says” i don’t have a clue what i’m talking about”.

    my advice is look at the humor in it, and just move on. no biggie.

    the truth is no one totally knows about how to keep pitchers healthy including will carroll at bp. he’s not a university trained expert either, but he did stay at a holiday inn last night. just kidding . had to throw that in.

  102. Chicago Dave April 26th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    I only hope Wang’s start tomorrow is nothing like the torture I sat through for endless hours here in Chicago. Yes, he managed to “survive” without his best stuff, but it was still really brutal to watch in person. He was all over the plate, took forever between pitches, and everything that was hit was hit hard. After today’s game, we really need Wang to be back in “groundball machine” mode against Cleveland.

  103. Rob NY April 26th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    I’m with you CD. These bad days are much more palatable when I can have a great game or two mixed in. The complete game in Boston held me over for a good while but I’m in need of another gem pretty soon.

  104. Chicago Dave April 26th, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Rob – Yes, absolutely! I think that both we as fans and the Yanks as a team could really use another gem right about now!! It would do wonders for morale…

  105. Steve Howe You Doin April 26th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    23 men LOB – any research guys out there that know of the AL LOB/Game record?
    Today may not be close to a record, but, man, 23 over 9 innings is alot of waste.

    Shame on all of you who place blame on the pitching staff.

  106. Dee April 26th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Sorry OT –

    Arrrgh, I can’t go to the Mets game that I have tickets for. Can anyone recommend a way/site where I can swap my tickets with someone else who wants to go on my date (5/17)? I don’t want to sell my tix. Thanks!

  107. tjf714 April 26th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    In listening to that recording, and in hearing Joe before talk about being asked the same questions over and over, it seems to me the media is trying to adjust somewhat to Girardi. They’re used to getting answers of substance they could use in stories, blogs, sound bytes, whatever. Girardi’s not as forthcoming so they’re pressing him for more.

  108. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 26th, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    it’s not that hard to figure out what happened, Jetes hit into a double play in the 8th w/ the go ahead run at 1st in a short AB, they played him up the middle and he did just that. This game has more to do w/ his AB.

  109. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 26th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    Jetes hit into a double play in the 8th w/ the go ahead run at 3rd in a short AB* (plain and simple)

  110. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 26th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    brandon: But don’t you know, we can never blame Jeter!

  111. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! April 27th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    That’s how you know things are really getting bad-when we start blaming Jeter…

  112. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    ofcourse I know this Rebecca, if only we can call it like it is, Jetes walks Alex gets an AB (we could have blamed Alex), Jetes gets a hit he’s a hero instead Jetes into a DP in the top of the 9th and we scramble for option B who has been overworked instead of SandMan w/ a 1 run lead to shut the door and send everyone home happy how hard is that for people to realize.

  113. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    “That’s how you know things are really getting bad-when we start blaming Jeter…”

    it’s not bad it’s the truth, he gets a hit there Rivera ends this game in the 9th.

  114. RustyJohn April 27th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    I blame weather- I blame weather for cutting P. Hughes’ start to only 2 innings and Joe G. having to use up the pen, I blame weather for Joba’s injury, I blame cold weather for the bats being dead and for these quad injuries everywhere. Why doesn’t MLB just go to a friggin 180 game season, have pitchers and catchers report in January and make it a year round event since they obviously don’t care about the health of the players.

  115. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Ohlendorf needs to be sent down not because he sucks (he doesn’t btw to any idiot that saids he does) but because he is on pace to pitch 112 IP, you can not let that happen to him, it cheats him and yourself. If your going to use him as a long man stretch him out in the minors like your doing to Robertson, it’s that simple or send him down bring up Veras and bring a legit longman in Rasner or Giese or how about this Igawa wouldn’t bug me as a longman, he doesn’t have to be a SP.

  116. David April 27th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Wait hold up, Jeter did not need to get a hit to be the hero. He dropped the ball and lost the game for them in that at bat and there’s no way around it. All he needed to do was put a shallow fly ball in the outfield and the Yankees win the game. The game was right there for the Yankee’s taking and Jeter simply blew it…

  117. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Rusty the weather has caught every team in ML, I understand that arguement I mean last night Chipper Jones went down but that’s because he’s been playing w/ an injured quad since the cold game in Atlanta. It’s been happening alot.

  118. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 27th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Jeter did the same think in the ALDS, and eveyone blamed A-Rod.

    Seems that Jeter is enshrined and can do-no-harm. Which is probably a very badd thing if and when he’s on the wrong end of 35 and starts to decline.

  119. Papelboner April 27th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    On a good note I just ordered the office season 2 and 3 from circuit city for $19.99 each…Sweet deal

  120. Chris April 27th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    This is why the media is a piece of crap. You guys need to shut up and leave the guy alone. Who are they going to throw in there. Rasner, Karstens, Igawa? Give me a break. The guy is 23 and its not even may. You need to get a grip on reality.

  121. Papelboner April 27th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Everything about this team looks bad right now as far as I am concerned

  122. S.A.-Phil Hughes was saved and Joba will be a starter! April 27th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Gosh, I forgot that it was a year ago..er..I guess technically yesterday that Phil Hughes made his major league debut for the Yankees. Last season was just crazy.
    Not that things have been a breeze so far this season.

  123. Dee April 27th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    I agree Jeter gets royalty treatment obviously. Most of the time I think he definitely earned it over the years. But part of me worry that when it’s time to move him out of SS, it will get ugly or the move will not be made as quickly as it should. Someone in an earlier post said maybe Girardi is afraid to tell Jeter to bunt in the 9th. I doubt that was the case. But I do wonder if Girardi is as hard on Jeter as he would on anyone else about telling him to cut it with the GIDPs.

  124. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    AS bad as the 2 inning was for Kennedy please for anyone who wants to dispute a 23 yr. old giving up 3 runs, he was not the reason we loss

    5 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 2 K’s

    after the 2nd inning

    3rd inning PT/S 19-8

    4th inning PT/S 13-8

    5th inning PT/S 16/9

    that is a good start vs Cleveland especially after how he started today.

    It’s plain and simple Jeter “Captain GIDP” hits a flyball, a single, the game is over we win. No bitchin’ tonight none of it, we actually start Saturday night w/ praises, but he hit into a double play, and I can’t blame Melky either because people forget he is 23 yrs. old, still learning. Jetes single or flyball, even a groundball to the right side game over w/ Mariano closing it out.

  125. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    And as bad as the 2 inning was for Ian please for anyone who wants to dispute a 23 yr. old giving up 3 runs and getting a no decision, he was not the reason we loss

    5 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 2 K’s

    after the 2nd inning

    3rd inning PT/S 19-8
    4th inning PT/S 13-8
    5th inning PT/S 16-9

    that is a good start vs Cleveland especially after how he started today.

    It’s plain and simple Jeter “Captain GIDP” hits a flyball, a single, the game is over we win. No bitchin’ tonight none of it, we actually start Saturday night w/ praises, but he hit into a double play, and I can’t blame Melky either because people forget he is 23 yrs. old, still learning. Jetes single or flyball, even a groundball to the right side game over w/ Mariano closing it out.

  126. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    well my post isn’t going through for some reason so I have to bunch it up

    As bad as the 2 inning was for Ian please for anyone who wants to dispute a 23 yr. old giving up 3 runs and getting a no decision, he was not the reason we loss

    5 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 2 K’s

    after the 2nd inning

    3rd inning PT/S 19-8
    4th inning PT/S 13-8
    5th inning PT/S 16/9

    that is a good start vs Cleveland especially after how he started today.

    It’s plain and simple Jeter “Captain GIDP” hits a flyball, a single, the game is over we win. No bitchin’ tonight none of it, we actually start Saturday night w/ praises, but he hit into a double play, and I can’t blame Melky either because people forget he is 23 yrs. old, still learning. Jetes single or flyball, even a groundball to the right side game over w/ Mariano closing it out.

  127. RustyJohn April 27th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Yes, the weather (obviously) effects every team, but when you’re hoping to get innings out of your starters because the pen is overworked or injured and Hughes is only throwing two innings, it screws up the entire pen until/unless somebody (Wang) goes 7 or 8 innings in their next start. How different would this game have been (froma pitching standpoint at least- can’t say much about the offense) had Hughes been able to go 6 or 7 innings in his last start and we have a freshpen with an uninjured Joba.

    When the pen was set I was one of those who thought it would be a good idea if they didn’t take a long man just for the sake of having a long man- now I realize I am a moron and am just hoping they call up Rasner or someone to eat some innings until the starters get settled.

  128. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    Dee he’s the guy we can’t afford to go kids hands with, because hitting in a double play, I mean just flyball, a single, heck even a GO to the right side, game over. He didn’t come through that is why we loss. His defense right now may be a big issue, I don’t understand how they can risk him at SS especially at this time in his career.

  129. Lucky April 27th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    i’m a huge Jeter fan, but I see how too many people drink his kool-aid and give him a pass. He’s as accountable for the team’s woes as everyone else is. Jeter’s not to blame for the loss, but he failed to delivery like everyone else on the team – and he should be called out for it like everyone else will be (particularly like a certain 3rd baseman always is)

  130. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    wooops on the double post and 3rd one :lol:

  131. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! April 27th, 2008 at 1:17 am

    Let’s get real…the problems with this team do not have anythting to do with Jeter…

    Sure, he hit into a DP today at the worst time, but c’mon…the failure was on the team as a whole…

    And really let’s not get carried away with all of this…it’s one game. How far are they back in the loss column? How early is it?

    Let’s get a grip! To listen to some of the poster’s on this board you’d think the Yanks were out of it for this season already-you can’t be serious!

  132. Big Stein April 27th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    I don’t see why Kennedy shouldn’t be starting in five days. Though the walks were bad again, it is improved from previously. He also lasted longer than he has, and against a pretty good offense in Cleveland. If Chamberlain goes on the DL the Yankees might have a real problem. At this point we can really only trust him and Mo. However, I think that Patterson or Ramirez could fill his spot, because they are both good pitchers. I have a feeling the next few days will be full of roster moves, one I feel for sure will Ohlendorf optioned to AAA and either Rasner, Edwar, or Patterson called up. Without Joba we need help, because I’m surly not going to trust LaTroy Walkins or Kyle Farnsworthless to get through the 8th, and get the game to Mariano.

  133. M April 27th, 2008 at 2:52 am

    Is it me or does Girardi not seem so confident in kennedy?

    To be truthful, I’m more worried about our offense than our pitching. I really feel that if we got some runs on the board past 3, our pitchers wouldnt be in this position.

    Kennedy showed some improvement tonight. Give the kid a break. Its early. He didnt do that bad. Its our running game thats the problem. & look at the TB game did anybody seem to notice that Ian had a great game when the lineup was scoring?
    I hope they dont send him back to the minors, he showed improvement & I think he’ll be fine.

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