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You can’t blame Jeter

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Apr 27, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I see in the comments that some people are giving Derek Jeter a hard time about today’s game.

Really? Did you watch the game?

He was 3 for 4 when he came to the plate in the ninth and hit a bullet up the middle that glanced off the mound right to Asdrubal Cabrera. The Cleveland second baseman was breaking to the middle and the ball landed in his glove.

Most hitters try to hit the ball as hard as they can up the middle. Jeter did just that and he caught a bad break. You can’t fault him for that. If hitters could place every ball where they wanted, everybody would hit 1.000.

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73 Responses to “You can’t blame Jeter”

  1. Dr. Cox April 27th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    Jeter can strike out every about for the rest of his career as far as im concerned.

    What he has done for this team over the past decade and beyond is unbelieveable.

    sorry but I am one of those never critisize the Captain fans

  2. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 27th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    You mean 1.000. Because .100 isn’t even Mendoza Line bad.

    Though the way the Yankees like to hit with RISP, you’d never know.

  3. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 27th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    There’s absolutely no denying what Jeter has done for this team over the past twelve, thirteen years. I don’t think anyone is questioning that.

    However, no matter how much we want him to be a G-d, he’s human, and unless he’s built like Jaime Moyer or Julio Franco, he won’t play forever.

    His full decline might be some years off, but when it happens, it will be a huge issue that needs to be addressed, and you can already see hints of it in the way he fields.

  4. Dr. Cox April 27th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    It going to be a sad day for me when Jeter seriosly starts to decline.

  5. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Pete they played him up the middle, what do you mean we can’t blame him ? flyball, grounder to the right, one of his usual bloop shots to RF, Damon scores game over. What I don;t appreciate is putting this loss on the manager who made moves to keep it a game, made the big decision to stick w/ Kennedy, paid of well too, kept Gonzo in the game..unfortunately shades of the ALDS he grounds into a double play they set him up for.

    He gets one hit, one right side groundball and it’s game over. Nope Jetes is my GOAT today, 3 hits and not a run scored or RBI..no offense but he’s not blameless today.

  6. FYI April 27th, 2008 at 12:48 am

    How many games would you estimate – or can show – that Jeter’s fielding (or lack of) cost the Yankees in wins? Considering the Yanks have been on the playoffs every year Jeter has been on the club, this should prove interesting. All those mathematical formulas concerning where the ball is hit and not field also shows Melky is just an average centerfielder. Jeter’s not the best fielder, we know that, but he makes the plays and these mathematical formulas make him far worse. But hey, take Adam Everett, who supposedly has the best range for shortstops in baseball.

  7. David April 27th, 2008 at 12:52 am

    Wait Pete, because he was 3-4, that means he doesn’t have to try to play small ball when the Yankees need him to? You’re telling me that nobody thought there was a chance of Jeter grounding into a double play… He had Johnny Damon on third base. There were so many more HIGH percentage ways to get Damon in it’s not even funny. Jeter was clearly trying to do much more than get that one run in. Are you going to try to convince us that Derek Jeter couldn’t put a ball in the air into mid-outfield or drop down a squeeze? It was the NINTH inning. You need ONE run, not two. The point isn’t that Jeter grounded into the double play, because that’s acceptable if the Yankees actually needed a base-hit. They didn’t. Jeter wanted the base-hit and it back-fired. But please, don’t try to tell us that Derek Jeter can’t take an upper-cut swing and put a ball into the outfield or drop down a squeeze.

  8. FYI April 27th, 2008 at 12:52 am

    Brandon,
    How easy do you think it is to hit a grounder or line driver in the just the right spot as you described.. Jeter ripped the ball and it was right at the second-baseman, slowed down by the mound. Hey, it’s Jeter fault, fine. The poor pitching early by Kennedy or the lack of hitting when it counts by the Yanks had nothing to do with the loss.
    And A-Rod did what with runners in scoring position – swing and miss at ball 4. That happens too. No one should say A-Rod is the goat.

  9. Lucky April 27th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    we’re not blaming him, but a lot of people are tired of sports writers and the like not holding him to the same scrutiny as other yankees.

    I won’t forget it – last year’s ALDS Game 4, 1 out bottom of the sixth, runners on 1st and 3rd. the yanks were down 3 and here comes the captain at the plate. the stadium was alive ready for their long time hero to drive in a run. He hit into a double play. Inning over. And the collective energy of the entire Yankee fan base just collapsed. When that inning ended, I knew the game (and series) was over.

    The following week, everyone barked about ARod. As atrocious as he was, Jeter was just as bad. Jeter’s M.O. during that entire series was GIDP. Yet no one criticized him – if there was any critique it was that of an “awe-shucks” type mood than an actual “you didn’t get it done” directive.

    I’m a Jeter fan, but I see when the Yankees world (particularly the media) drinks too much of the Captain’s Kool-Aid. The announcers on ESPN and Fox make it sound like the want to have Jeter’s children, and would’ve asked the Pope to canonize DJ during his visit to Yankee Stadium. Yet Alex Rodriguez, probably the greatest hitter of this decade, gets the collective boot. He’s made many gaffes during his career, but his talent should be forefront. The worst case was ESPN’s broadcast of the Yanks/Rays game on Apr 2. When Derek came up to bat he was touted as Mr. Wonderful, but when ARod came to bat it was Judgement Day.

  10. Peter Abraham April 27th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    Small ball? Um, he hit the ball hard up the middle. It hit the mound in a funny way and richoceted to the second baseman. Had the ball not done that, it would have been in center field. Things happen sometimes. He hit a rocket. Eric Wedge laughed after the game about how lucky his team was.

    Drop down a squeeze? Have you ever watched baseball? Managers calls for squeezes, players don’t just do that on their own.

    Jeter is not a fly ball hitter, he’s a line drive hitter. If you try to hit fly balls, you tend to pop the ball up. For his entire Hall of Fame career, he has tried to hit line drives. But suddenly he should say “Hmm, I’ll change my entire approach right now.”

    An upper cut swing? You aren’t actually serious, are you?

    There’s a nationwide opinion that many Yankees fans are spoiled bandwagon jumpers who don’t know much about baseball. These type of comments only serve to verify that.

  11. IzzyHouse April 27th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    “If hitters could place every ball where they wanted, everybody would hit 1.000.”

    Hey I think this blog is really good and all, but that might be the most useless thing you’ve ever written here.

  12. David April 27th, 2008 at 1:05 am

    Lucky, I don’t agree with you in that sense. In that case, Jeter is and should be looking for a base hit. You can’t really blame a hitter who is looking for a base hit for grounding into a double play. It happens. That’s what happens when you’re trying to hit the ball hard and on the ground.

    But as for today, Jeter should not have been looking for a base hit and that’s why the double play is inexcusable. I’m not really sure what he was thinking, it’s not like him. I would think he would be the first person to give Damon a single and squeeze him in with a bunt being that the Yankees were just getting bad breaks all day and needed that run any way they could get it, and they only needed the one to win the game.

  13. Steven April 27th, 2008 at 1:06 am

    ““If hitters could place every ball where they wanted, everybody would hit 1.000.”

    Hey I think this blog is really good and all, but that might be the most useless thing you’ve ever written here.”

    -Not only that, it’s not even true because of strikeouts.

  14. LadyBug626 April 27th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Donna, that’s true but you’d be amazed how many Jeter groupies can’t wait for Alex to drop off a cliff.

  15. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Donna I’m sure Jetes will pay for you parking later P.S. I bet we know alot more about baseball than you. It amazes me how Jetes can get a free pass, especially nowadays.

    David’s post said it best and if you would pay more attention instead of insult opinion you’d see it too, so that throw to Cano was perfect ? did Jetes not into a rally killing DP w/ the go ahead run at 3rd and Mo warming up ? Call it like it is don’t deflect blame here.

  16. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 27th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    I’m not an A-Rod kid by any stretch of the imagination.

    That said, I won’t place Jeter on a pedestal. Pete’s right–he’s a line drive hitter–and after twelve years (well, a lot more than that, really) you can’t just change your swing.

    However, Jeter is human, and like humans, subject to aging and all that goes with it.

  17. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    I’ll put it like this as soon as this team is treated as equals we’ll get somewhere, if we start saying aww chucks it’s just once w/ vets that’s not a good thing no matter who you are.

  18. David April 27th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Pete, we all know very well that Joe Girardi can’t ask Jeter to bunt whether he wants him to or not. Whether it’s right or wrong, Girardi isn’t going to ask him to do it. If Jeter didn’t believe he could get a ball in the air, then how can he not bunt? I really can’t understand it. You need 1 run and you have Mariano Rivera warming up. Why wouldn’t you sacrifice that run in? And I would agree with you 100% if it was anyone besides Johnny Damon at third base. But come on, how good of a sacrifice fly is it going to take to get Damon in? If you’re going to try to convince me that Derek Jeter, a guy with 2,375 career hits isn’t able to hit a bellow average sac fly OR drop down a decent bunt to get Damon in, then you’re crazy. And don’t give me the bunts are called from the bench argument, because we’ve all seen Jeter bunt on his own before, so that’s not going to cut it.

  19. Chris N April 27th, 2008 at 1:16 am

    He’s gotten praise for years for getting hits when it matters. He has to take the heat when he blows it in a big spot. Is it just me or has he hit into an inordinate amount of double plays in the last two years? And I don’t know how you guys define a “bullet” but as far as I’m concerned that wasn’t one. It’s certainly not all his fault as they got guys on in almost every inning inning and didn’t score them but that was a pretty rough rally killer.

  20. Angel April 27th, 2008 at 1:19 am

    “half of which prove they don’t have a clue about the game of baseball, the Yankees or Derek Jeter.

    It couldn’t be more obvious that they just jumped on the bandwagon circa 2004. Yeehaw!”

    Is that like you couldn’t be more obviously a Jeter groupie?

  21. Angel April 27th, 2008 at 1:21 am

    FWIW, I think there were more than enough goat badges to go around today, Jeter wasn’t the only one.

  22. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    oh and Pete on baseballreference.com SF if it stands for sacrifice fly he has 40 in his 14 yr. career he has a sac fly and sac hit in 18 games this season, so yeh he could have hit another sac fly today, it would have gone better than a GIDP.

  23. David April 27th, 2008 at 1:29 am

    Chris N, really good point, he gets credit for all his clutch hits, so if he wants to hit away in a situation where there’s two legitimate sacrifice options, he should take the heat for failing and killing the rally.

    And the funny thing about this whole thing is that if Jeter drops down a bunt (even a safety squeeze probably would have gotten it done because it would have caught them completely off guard) all we’d be hearing tonight is “what a heads up play by Jeter and Damon”.

    And that’s a great stat Brandon, because it shows he could get the ball in the air, and I’m sure some of those were with much slower runners than Damon requiring much more difficult sac-flies.

  24. Peter Abraham April 27th, 2008 at 1:34 am

    Holy cow, I can’t believe people really know this little about baseball.

    You don’t bunt there. You just don’t. Beyond that, you hit away in that spot unless the manager tells you different. How would Damon know to come in? Think Jeter gives him the secret signal? You don’t pay guys $20 million a year to bunt. Jeter at the plate is swinging is a much higher percentage play than a bunt.

    Jeter has had 8,489 PAs in his career. Yes, he has 40 sacrifice flies. Do you think there’s a sacrifice fly button on the bat that you can press? You try and hit the ball hard. physics determine how high it goes. You can’t will the ball in the air. You hit it hard and you hope it works out.

    They way some of you people think the games works, every score would be 800-799 because the hitters must be able to just put the ball wherever they want.

    wow.

  25. Dee April 27th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    “Jeter did just that and he caught a bad break.”

    I wouldn’t exactly call that a bad break when he has a pattern of hitting into DPs.

    Like I said in the last thread, the captain has earned his near-sainthood over the years. He has done wonderful things for the team no doubt, and I know he will continue to. But there is a pattern of GIDPs and slowly declining fielding range that I’m afraid no one wants to address in that club house. Look at AGon today with that defensive play at 3rd (ok I know it was at 3rd and not SS, but still…), Jete wouldn’t have been able to do that.

    I’m by no means calling for Jeter’s retirement, far from it. All I’m saying is that I wish he is not so untouchable that no one can talk to him about making certain improvement. No one is perfect, everyone has weak areas that they can work on. Jeter should be no exception.

  26. Dr. Cox April 27th, 2008 at 1:41 am

    Cant bunt in that situation when Jeter is hitting in the #3 spot and take the bat out of his hands. Just cant do it.

  27. Carl April 27th, 2008 at 1:43 am

    your right on pete,

    Jeter is the probably one of the smartest players in baseball. He was doing what any little leaguer is taught, try to hit it up the middle. If Cano did that now–like he did when he first came up– he wouldnt be hitting below .200

  28. David April 27th, 2008 at 1:45 am

    “You don’t pay guys $20 million a year to bunt.” That’s 100% right, you pay guys $20 million a year to WIN GAMES. Jeter was in the position to WIN the game with less than a hit.

    It was JOHNNY DAMON on third. He’s probably known best for his base running. Are telling me that Johnny Damon wouldn’t have know to run if Jeter laid down a bunt towards first base? Damon is looking in ONE direction, and that’s right at the plate. His lead was already huge because he has to be ready to score on a passed-ball. So yeah, Damon, the 14-year veteran, would have had no clue what to do if Jeter laid down a bunt. Are you kidding?? Damon had to be ready for a bunt. It’s Jeter up there, the guy whose supposed to be the crafty baseball player who will do anything to win, and you’re saying that the speedy Damon would have no idea what to do and have no idea that there would be a chance that Jeter would try to sacrifice him in. And about the sacrifice fly, obviously it’s not automatic, but please, Derek Jeter knows how to handle a bat better than anyone. I’m sure the odds are pretty high that if Jeter wanted to wait for a good pitch and hit the ball into the shallow outfield that he could get it done.

  29. JoeT YANKEES April 27th, 2008 at 1:47 am

    great comment up there Pete….

    Jeter hit the (TOS won’t let me post this word :) lol) out of that ball…. if it doesn’t kick or if the second baseman isn’t playing up the middle the same people would be here talking about how Jeter is the best because he won the game

    that’s baseball, it happens.

  30. JoeT YANKEES April 27th, 2008 at 1:47 am

    about how great Jeter is ****

  31. Carl April 27th, 2008 at 1:48 am

    If anyone here has ever played baseball before, they would know its not that easy to change your swing and approach for one atbat. jeter has an inside-out swing that is made for line drive hitting. If anyone ever watches any games, they’d know he is not a fly ball hitter (none of his homers are bombs that are lofted in the air, rather they are line drives just clearing the fence). If he were to change is approach, no good would have come with it, therefore he did what he did best. If the ball wouldn’t have hit the mound, everyone here would be praising him, rather than bashing.

  32. David April 27th, 2008 at 1:49 am

    Dr. Cox, how can you say that? It wouldn’t be a bunt to move runners over, it would be a bunt to WIN the game. I would never say Jeter should bunt to move runners over (which he does do all the time by bunting), I’m saying he should have done it to win the game… There’s a huge difference. You’re not taking the bat out of his hands, because that’s the game right there. You’re basically saying because he’s Derek Jeter he shouldn’t take the higher percentage way to win the game, rather he should have to get a hit to win the game.

  33. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 27th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    Right, I’m out for the night–going to try to catch the Syracuse/Scranton make up tomorrow, but that involves me actually getting up in the morning.

    Click my name if you want my Jeterian take. Am far too lazy to post a link.

    Later =)

  34. JoeT YANKEES April 27th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    David – i’m actually a big fan of bunting and I think more people need to try to squeeze runs in. Just have to get the ball down and you get a run, but in that same situation my thinking was we have two chances to get one run in with Jeter and A-Rod coming up, and you have to feel good about those chances.

  35. lil' m April 27th, 2008 at 1:59 am

    Pete: You’re the voice of sanity. Really. Losing is never fun, but it’s getting a little wacky in here. Jeter did what he was supposed to and caught a tough break, as they say in the business. No wonder we Yankee fans are tagged as spoiled rotten brats. It’s three weeks into a six-month season and some so-called Yankee fans are already trying to throw our Captain under a speeding bus on the road to Cooperstown. Thanks for the memories and don’t let the doorknob hit you on the way out, chump. Wow. Obviously folks are overtired or just plain losing it. Time to call it a night . . .

  36. David April 27th, 2008 at 2:00 am

    JoeT YANKEES, I think in any other situation I would agree and love the chances with Jeter and then A-Rod, but with how everything in that game was going, based on the amount of chances the Yankees had and couldn’t get it done, you don’t wait for a big hit to get that run in. Change anything else in that situation and I agree with you, but it was just shouting squeeze, I mean if it wasn’t the 9th or there was a different runner on third or Jeter, a great bunter wasn’t up, I would say let them hit, but there wasn’t really a reason NOT to squeeze that run in.

  37. Dr. Cox April 27th, 2008 at 2:00 am

    David,

    Perhaps your right. However, if that ball doesnt hit the moung awkwarld, its a hit and a run.

  38. Carl April 27th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    a squeeze isn’t jeter’s call..

    ..we should be talking about Girardi then

  39. kasey April 27th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    you can blame whoever you like for the loss, but the fact is, they’re a pretty inconsistent ballclub right now, top to bottom. the pitching has been – at best – unreliable (with a few exceptions) and the offense hasn’t risen to the occasion consistently enough.

    i said at the beginning of the season i thought they’d win the AL east, simply because i didn’t think the division was all that strong this year. while i don’t believe i underestimated the red sox or blue jays, i believe i may have overestimated the yankees. kennedy just isn’t as far along in his development as we’d all hoped and hughes is going to take his lumps, too. add that to the bullpen – which was already unstable – losing bruney (and possibly joba for a few games) and you don’t exactly have a recipe for success. sure, it’s early and sure, they can still come around. they always seem to. but there’s something relatively lifeless about this year’s squad, don’t you think? maybe it’s age catching up with guys like damon, giambi, et al or maybe it’s expectations weighing on hughes and kennedy.

    or maybe joe “the master motivator” girardi isn’t really the difference-maker he was touted as by some.

    either way, they’ve got a lot of work to do if they want to contend this year. if they actually want to rebuild, and will settle for possibly missing the playoffs, then they’re going the right direction.

  40. Dr. Cox April 27th, 2008 at 2:03 am

    I coach little league so I missed alot of tonights game.

    Ironically, I gave the sign for a squeeze bunt and it worked.

  41. Eric Haskell April 27th, 2008 at 2:04 am

    David – Give it up with the bunting idea. It would have been a terrible idea to have Jeter bunt in that situation. Bunting is a really hard thing to do, and if the bunt was anything short of perfect Damon would be out at the plate.

    But tell me, if it’s such a clear-cut, easy decision, why is it that it is done like once a year?

    Peter’s right, with Jeter and Rodriguez coming up, you let them swing. Jeter made solid contact and got unlucky. It happens; that’s baseball.

  42. stuart April 27th, 2008 at 2:07 am

    a squeeze is a high risk play. you squeeze with gonzalez up maybe once but with Jeter, no chance.. I thought he was mister clutch then why would you squeeze?

    I fif not see the game but did the gamecast routine.

    My one point is Jeter hits into a ton of DP’ that is not deniable. I like Giradi keeping things private etc.

    The Yanks are very frustrating but still are a good team and will win between 90 and 100 games, bank on it..

    IT IS A LONG LONG SEASON…..

  43. David April 27th, 2008 at 2:09 am

    Dr. Cox, what you say is true, but I just look at the percentages, in which a bunt is much higher than a base hit. And we’d all by praising Jeter if that ball gets through, but we’d probably be praising him more if he squeezes Damon in. They needed the run and it really didn’t matter how he got it in.

    Carl, I think that’s iffy. Jeter can bunt on his own, and I doubt Girardi would feel comfortable telling Jeter to bunt. And part of the squeeze is catching them completely off guard, and when you start going through a lot of hand signals it makes it a little obvious. I remember last year when the Yankees were playing Baltimore, this guy on Baltimore dropped down a beautiful walkoff bunt and squeezed the guy from third, and the only reason it worked so well was because it was completely unexpected, and I’m pretty sure it was not called from the dugout because it wasn’t a suicide squeeze rather a safety.

  44. Dr. Cox April 27th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    and everyone knows that the yanks, well the past couple of years yanks, are a second half team…

  45. Carl April 27th, 2008 at 2:14 am

    Jeter GIDP
    2006- 13
    2007-21
    2008- 2

    AROD GIDP
    2006-22
    2007-15
    2008-2

    Manny Ramirez GIDP
    2006-13
    2007-21
    2008- 2

    Look, when you make a lot of contact, you’re going to ground into double plays..it happens

  46. Dr. Cox April 27th, 2008 at 2:14 am

    And David one more thing…

    a bunt in that situation is alot riskier than letting our best hitter swing the bat, But thats why we have this blog, to discuss situations like this.

  47. David April 27th, 2008 at 2:15 am

    Eric, Jeter’s a great bunter. Now are we going to start saying Jeter can’t get down a bunt? And don’t tell me it would have to be perfect. With Damon running right on contact any bunt that wasn’t right in front of the catcher would have had to be fielded absolutely perfectly for Damon to be out. The whole point is they didn’t think Jeter was bunting. If he drops down a decent bunt to either third base or first base they have no chance at Damon. And in the bunt case, WORST case scenario is you have A-Rod at the plate with a runner on third and first…

    And if he doesn’t get the bunt down the first time, OK, he tried, now hit away.

  48. David April 27th, 2008 at 2:18 am

    Dr. Cox, that’s not true… Jeter’s human, and a good bunter. Any good bunter has a higher percentage chance of laying down a successful bunt than getting a hit. And if you go back and look at that game against Baltimore last year, the guy who laid down the successful squeeze didn’t even bunt it that well, it was simply the element of surprise that got it done.

  49. Dr. Cox April 27th, 2008 at 2:21 am

    Jeter;s not human. They say he is more than a man, but less than a god.

    wink, wink.

  50. David April 27th, 2008 at 2:30 am

    Alright, I’m over it. I still think he should have bunted, but there’s always tomorrow.

    And if anyone is curious about that play from last year I was talking about: http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.c.....;id=602596

    That’s just a heads up play by Mora, no way the manager told him to bunt with the bases loaded and TWO out. The degree of difficulty involved in that bunt is so much higher than one Jeter would have had to laid down, but it was still a very similar situation.

  51. bigjf April 27th, 2008 at 2:38 am

    People really blamed Jeter for that? You should delete those comments too then, since some people clearly don’t know what they’re talking about.

  52. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 27th, 2008 at 3:05 am

    like you ^^

  53. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! April 27th, 2008 at 3:06 am

    Pete,

    I think you’re right on the money about Jeter…

    It’s hard enough to direct the ball where you want it to go in softball much less baseball…

    Has anyone here ever watched Batting Practice…Even in BP you can’t always hit it where you want…

    You fail 7 out of 10 times and they still call you a great hitter…that’s how tough a sport it is!

  54. YanksAngel April 27th, 2008 at 3:06 am

    Gotta agree with Pete. It was hit hard and if the mound hadn’t slowed it down then it would have scored at least one, maybe two depending on how cleanly it was fielded in the outfield.

    The people complaining make it sound like he was trying for a home run there.

    You can’t blame him for losing the game IMO. They had more than 1 opportunity to score more runs and didn’t do it. They had Jeter on 2nd and Arod on 1st with no one outs and got neither of them home or even moved them over in the 4th inning. There were plenty of moments that could have changed the game.

  55. Shirley April 27th, 2008 at 3:36 am

    Jeter should not take all the blame for the loss of the game. The Yankees just missed so many chances to socre with RISP.

  56. Wang IS Taiwan April 27th, 2008 at 3:37 am

    Some of these posts are downright embarrassing. I thought Yankee fans were supposed to be knowledgeable about baseball.

  57. Randi April 27th, 2008 at 4:19 am

    Of course Jeter isn’t the reason why the team lost, but the point is that he’s getting the same criticism that every other Yankee gets when the team doesn’t come through in a good game. That’s all. If he’s carried on shoulders when he comes through in a win, he can certainly share responsibility when he doesn’t come through in a loss. But some in the Yankee Universe (fans & media) exempt the Captain from ANY critique when the team isn’t doing well.

    I agree that bunting in that situation is bad. And Jeter isn’t a power hitter so it would’ve been difficult to hit the sac fly to the outfield. However, the increasing number of GIDP by Jeter in critical situations should be a concern and it seems like no one is discussing that.

    A-Rod’s RLISP count, Cano’s slump, Ian’s place in the rotation, Girardi’s uptightness with the media and Hank’s big mouth (amongst other concerns) are all points of public contention but if we talk about Jeter’s on-field issues then we don’t know baseball. Interesting.

  58. Anthony April 27th, 2008 at 6:03 am

    I think everyone jumps on the boot this person off the team bandwagon way too fast. Were criticizing Jeter when he went 3 for 4 today? I mean everyone has been all on Giambi this season too and i agree he hasn’t done great, but you can’t say he didnt have a good week this week. Few hits, two homers yesterday, one in chicago, etc. I can’t believe all the boot Johnny Damon supporters either, did the guy not just have like one of the hottest weeks of all yankees?

  59. Annie Savoy April 27th, 2008 at 8:08 am

    How many of you “Avid Yankee Fans” were following the Yankees before 1995 – before Derek Jeter came up to the Big Team????

    If you have only arrived during the Jeter years, you have no idea how much he has meant to the team and the whole Yankee organization.

    He is “sui generis”.

  60. Papelboner April 27th, 2008 at 9:01 am

    Jeter should not take the blame…A little wierd how every bad post season gets blamed on A-Rod when the rest of the team does nothing either. Same situation

    By keep shifting the line-up around can hitters get comfortable in one spot? and does this matter?

    Jeter is a good enough hitter to get under something and put it in the air but this is baseball you fail more than succeed so I’m ok with it. He will do it next time.

    Positive thinking..

    Good news! I just saved $500 on my car insurance by switching to aflac.

  61. chuck April 27th, 2008 at 9:04 am

    That game was on Girardi. The smart baseball move is to squeeze and I hope some smart writer asks him why he didn’t because I would love to hear an excuse. Its the ninth inning, you have an experienced runner on third, an experienced hitter up and the greatest closer ever warming up. You need one run. Was he trying to play for a big inning in the ninth? Even if it didn’t work then you still probably end up with Damon out at home and Melky and Jeter at first and second with A-Rod up. Girardi has not shown me anything of what I thought and hoped he would be. Even Torre might have called for a squeeze there.

  62. Rob NY April 27th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    It’s kind of like not bringing in Mariano in the 9th in a tie. Why in god’s name would you take the bat out of an elite hitter’s hands? Obviously it’s easy to sit here now and talk about all the things that could have happened, but the guy is a gamer and doesn’t wilt under pressure. I’d have done the same thing as JG and let Derek swing.

  63. pat April 27th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    IMO, baseball is a game of interconnected IFS so no 1 player is ever solely responsible for a win or a loss. IF Ian hadn’t had a bad inning, IF Gonzalez hadn’t made the double play, IF a ball didn’t drop in front of someone, IF the bats had been more awake in the first 8 innings………..

  64. abe April 27th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    I feel like people are mixing “suicide” squeeze and non-suicide version. The non-suicide version can be done without bench’s direction, as long as the Yankees have the contact play on (which I believe they had). Damon is a smart baserunner.

    I don’t like suicide squeeze there, because it is a high-risk play. But the non-suicide squeeze can be done there. Also, hitting up the middle in that situation is not smart, since Indians are set up to play up the middle. There was a huge hole on the right side.

    In general, one should go for a big inning whenever possible, but it was on the road with a tired bullpen, so if we could have stolen this game (yankees really didn’t deserve to win it) with one run in the ninth, it would have been huge. All it mattered was that one run. I respectfully disagree with Pete’s opinion.

  65. bigjf April 27th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    “like you”

    Brandon, I took a quick browse to see if you understood what you were talking about, but I can see I can pretty much ignore you from here on out. The ball hit the mound and Jeter ran into some bad luck on a ball that was well on its way to being a base hit.

    You talk about the 40 SF in his career? The guy has spent his career as either a 2 hitter or a leadoff man. You don’t get quite as many SF opportunities. But just to compare it to a few Yankees that do get said opportunities:

    Abreu – 64
    A-Rod – 74
    Giambi – 72
    Damon – 64

    AL teams nowadays are particularly of the mindset that you pretty much always go for the base hit and don’t give away precious outs. We’ve seen some bunt attempts in this series, but you see far more sacrifice in the NL than the AL (aka the hitters’ league). So that makes OBP pretty damn important. Let’s look at those:

    Giambi, Abreu, and A-Rod are great OBP guys, having career OBP of .410, .407, and .388 respectively. Wade Boggs was a great OBP guy with a .410 as well.

    Jeter’s? .388! He currently gets on base over his career as much as A-Rod.

    Hall of Famer Cal Ripkens career OBP? .340

    Hank Aaron? .374

    By the way, you know how many SF Mickey Mantle had over his career of 18 seasons? 47! (OBP = .421)

    So what was your point of contention again?

  66. bigjf April 27th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    (Note from my last post: Damon doesn’t get as many SF opportunities, but he does have a similar situation to Jeter.)

  67. Dee April 27th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    Why is it that every time a divisive topic comes up, there are always a couple people rushing in to exaggerate and twist other people’s point of view and make big proclamations that they are “not real Yankee fans” or know nothing about baseball???

    Read the posts please before you jump in to crown yourself the best fan in the world. No one here has remotely suggested that Jeter should leave the team or get thrown off the bus. In fact, most of the people who have a problem with Jeter’s GIDP yesterday are regular posters here who have shown great loyalty to the team. All they are saying is that he should be under the same scrutiny as everyone else if when he wins games for us he gets all the credits. Fair is fair don’t you think?

    It just bugs me when you see some people who never post to discuss baseball or a real game, except when there is a chance to jump in and declare others not as big a fan as they are. We know who you are!

  68. george April 27th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    if the ball was it well and bounced off the mound weirdly into a DP, it has nothing to do with a trend of GIDPs. the trend indeed may be an issue; but this was just a freaky play, not a weak “rollover DP”.

    the baseball gods giveth and the baseball gods taketh. when the game-winning single bounces off the mound and turns into a DP, the baseball gods are doing some taketh.

  69. NJ in Tampa April 27th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    The baseball IQ that some people who post on this blog have is amazingly low.

  70. FYI April 27th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Jeter averages roughly 13 DP a year (highs of 21 last year and 19 in 2004) in just under 600 ABs. Sometimes you can rip the ball and it goes right at a fielder or takes a bounce off the mound to the fielder. That was yesterday. Ans sometimes you hit meekly into a DP…
    Jeter’s high DP numbers last year could partially be attributed to his bad leg and bad luck. Or it was his time. It’s not that Jeter is above criticism – he is not – but the criticism should be fair and logical.

  71. Nate April 27th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Whether you can blame Jeter for yesterday or not, he does ground into a lot of double plays.

  72. FYI April 27th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Nate,
    Not really. You just remember the playoffs (and one was rip right at the second-baseman) last year and yesterday. Look at his stats..

  73. Andy Van Slyke April 28th, 2008 at 8:08 am

    If this blog is part of the newspaper, then Peter should be professional also.

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