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The search for a catcher

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Apr 28, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Cashman’s Blackberry could melt by the time this week is over.

Jorge Posada trusts Dr. James Andrews and will abide by whatever the noted orthopedic surgeon suggests. That could be two weeks of rest and rehab or surgery. If it’s surgery, it could mean 4-6 weeks or the rest of the season depending on how much damage there is.

Injury expert Will Carrroll of Baseball Prospect, who I have the greatest respect for, suggests that Posada will need 30 days of rest and rehab but could return early to DH.

At this point, nobody knows for sure.

If Posada is going to be out longer than six weeks, Cashman probably need to obtain a veteran catcher of some sort. Jose Molina can do the job. But look what happened when he started to play every day earlier this month, he pulled a hamstring and was out a week.

Who’s out there? Here’s a list:

Mike DiFelice: He’s catching in the minors for Tampa. He has been with (it seems like) every organization at some point.

Sal Fasano: The Big Ragu is catching for the AAA Richmond Braves. He knows the pitchers a little and has a great mustache.

Doug Mirabelli: Free agent who was cut by the Red Sox in spring training. That he remains a free agent should tell you something.

Damian Miller: He is a free agent.

Josh Paul: He’s catching in the minors for Houston.

Mike Piazza: He has not caught a game since 2006 when he was with the Padres. It would take him some time to get ready.

There’s really nobody inside the organization at this point. The two best prospects are in Low Class A ball and they’re not being called up. Even if Francisco Cervelli were healthy, he’d stay with Trenton.

The Yankees need to hope that Posada’s injury isn’t serious. Because if it is, the alternatives are not great.

Of course Cashman could use one of his prospects to trade for somebody legit, like Ronny Paulino of Pittsburgh. The problem then becomes what happens next year. Molina is signed through 2009 and Posada through 2011.

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313 Responses to “The search for a catcher”

  1. Stephen April 28th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    I’d welcome back Sal and his Pals.

    Mirabelli always killed the Yanks, but I’m sure it was a fluke. He didn’t hit anyone else, but he seemed to love hitting at the Stadium.

  2. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Pete, how long does it take before we know whether or not Moeller clears wavers?

  3. Russell NY April 28th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    I’d give Piazza a shot.

  4. Russell NY April 28th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    “I’d give Piazza a shot.”… only because it would piss off Met fans :)

  5. csano April 28th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    What are the odds the Red Sox claim Moeller just to screw the Yankees?

  6. Ed - Yanks for 27 in 08 April 28th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    how about the trading with the Tigers for Brandon Inge for Fransworth and prospect or two? Inge is clearly isn’t happy in Detriot anymore and the Tigers been wanting Fransworth back for 2 years already.

  7. gayle April 28th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Here is a question for you all.

    With Posada out and knowing you cannot catch Molina everyday. is it more important that Molina stay with the youngsters and give him the day off when you have a veteran pitcher pitching or is it more important that he stay with the veterans and you give him the day off when the youngters are pitching.

    Or does it not matter at all really.

  8. Wiggum Fan April 28th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Who cares about next year? So you have 3 catchers under contract – you can never have too much depth. Even 2 weeks of rest is 3 weeks after rehab assignment. If anyone, Fasano or Mueller (pending DFA outcome) if it is not serious.

    Don’t forget the Rangers catcher Laird if they make Salty the full-time catcher.

  9. jk April 28th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Mirabelli has stated in the past he did not want to play for the Yankees. Even if he had a change of heart, I doubt Cashman would sign him. He is no better than what they have as a backup to Molina.

  10. Paul April 28th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Moeller???

  11. Wiggum Fan April 28th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Ed – Inge said he doesn’t want to catch as it effected his hitting.

  12. Stephen April 28th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    JUST SAY NO to Piazza.

    We’ve gotten spoiled in New York because of Posada’s hitting skills, but a catcher has to be able to catch. Any offense is icing on the cake.

    And Piazza can’t catch anymore.

  13. DLev April 28th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    None of those guys are worth pursuing at this point. Piazza isn’t worth going after under any circumstances, and Miller didn’t want to go back to Milwaukee because he wanted to spend more time with his family — and he’s from Wisconsin anyway. He’s not coming to NY. Stewart is probably as good as any of them, and he’s already in the organization. Those other guys, or guys very similar to them, will be available if Molina or Stewart go down, and by then Moeller may be back anyway.

    Losing Posada for a couple of months or even the year is bad, but not insurmountable. Cashman and co. are better off waiting until much much closer to the trade deadline to determine what the team’s needs are going to be headed down the stretch and which prospects they are going to be surplus parts in the future.

  14. Ed - Yanks for 27 in 08 April 28th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    “how about the trading with the Tigers for Brandon Inge for Fransworth and prospect or two? Inge is clearly isn’t happy in Detriot anymore and the Tigers been wanting Fransworth back for 2 years already.”

    …I forgot to mention that Inge could also play other positions like 3b, of, and catch.

  15. gayle April 28th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    I think they have to wait 10 days from when Moeller was placed on waivers which I think is later this week or early next week maybe they can stick with the AAA guy until then but certainly need a back up plan.

    Also I would go with Fasano just because he has been here before and knows some of the pitchers which I think is helpful

  16. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Who in hell would want Mirabelli? His claim to fame is that he could catch Wakefield and he has a big mouth. Other than that he’s worthless.

  17. G. Love April 28th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    You know my vote.

    Always, and I mean always, go with the mustache.

    That paisan can do a split like a Solid Gold dancer.

  18. Benjamin April 28th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Maybe get the other catcher on Pitt, Doumit. He can at least play some RF, and then next year there is some insurance there if Abreu leaves. I guess getting the Pirates number one catcher would cost more, but this would give the Yanks better flexibility. Maybe its not reasonable that they’d trade him though.

  19. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I would say that most important thing to do is find out about Posada, yes? You don’t trade for a Brandon Inge if you’re not going to need him.

    Triple A until we know for sure. Moeller would be ideal but I bet someone will scoop him up “just because”.

  20. SJ44 April 28th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    The Tigers have no interest in helping the Yankees, a team they may be fighting for a playoff spot against this year.

    Plus, they need Inge themselves. Pudge is on his last legs.

    My Top 2, assuming they can’t get Moeller back:

    1. DeFelice. The Rays young pitchers raved about working with him. Good catch and throw guy. Old school type of toughness. He would be a good guy to give Molina a break a couple of games a week.

    2. Damien Miller, if he can be ready quickly. In fact, he’s my #1 choice if he can be ready quickly. Another veteran guy who works well with pitchers. I just don’t know how long it would take him to get ready. If its more than 2 weeks, you have to pass on him.

    Even if Posada were to miss the season, I’d be real leery about overpaying for a catcher right now.

    Sure, they will miss his Posada’s offense. But, truth be told, Molina is a better defensive catcher than Posada. Just means the other guys in the order have to pick up the slack.

    They have scored 3 or less runs in 12 of their 26 games this year. Let’s face it, if they are only going to score 3 or less runs in half their games this year, they are going to be in big trouble, regardless of Posada’s status.

    That’s why I wouldn’t overpay for a catcher. Hopefully, Moeller passes through waivers and they have him backup Molina. That’s best case scenario for a tough situation.

  21. mel April 28th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    I think that Molina would be fine, with someone (Moeller or Stewart) spelling him once a series.

    Mirabelli’s intriguing only cuz he always kills us.

    Inge is intriguing, not for catching purposes but because he’s could be a super-utility guy.

    I hope it’s not too serious and that we can have Posada back to DH at least. Of course roster moves will have to be made. I think one of the lower-tier minor league pitchers will have to be left unprotected. But isn’t it worth it to have Posada’s bat, even if he can’t catch?

  22. Soup April 28th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    whoever put Moeller out to pasture before Posada was figured out should burn for this.

  23. DMan April 28th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Yikes that is not a prime list…

  24. Barry April 28th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    I say no to Piazza, because the yankees should go for defense here… I believe Molina calls a better game and is better behind the plate so what we lose in posada’s offense is gained in molina’s defense…

    Piazza would be a waste because over the last 5 years he has only thrown out 70 of the 397 runners to steal against him… which is 17.6 %

  25. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    if it’s longterm get Paulino but don’t overbuy

  26. Wiggum Fan April 28th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    SJ44 – Agree 100%. They need to start hitting. Cano’s batting average on balls in play this year is about .171, career is around .325. His luck needs to improve.

  27. SJ44 April 28th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Really? What happens if you find out Posada was fine but re-injured it on Saturday? Change your impressions a bit?

    They can’t carry 3 catchers all season. Posada was examined by 3 doctors. All gave him the green light. That’s why Moeller was DFA’ed.

    He threw out Brady Sizemore on Saturday, no small feat. Obviously, his shoulder was good enough for that throw.

    He said he had no pain after that game. He woke up Sunday with no pain and came to the park ready to catch.

    For reasons to be determined, he was unable to throw.

    Given that sequence of events, how exactly did the Yankees err with Posada?

  28. Fredo Corleone April 28th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    “What are the odds the Red Sox claim Moeller just to screw the Yankees?”

    Not too high. Boston has a couple decent catching prospects in AAA. Not spectacular prospects, but decent. They don’t need another.

    “With Posada out and knowing you cannot catch Molina everyday.”

    Couldn’t disagree more. As catcher (read: not including offense) Molina is the best in the AL East by a mile, and probably in the Top 3 in the AL. The longer he plays, the more he’ll be exposed as a below average offensive catcher, but you won’t do a lot better than him behind the dish. If Arod and Cano pick up their games, you can easily live with Molina’s marginal offense.

  29. mel April 28th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    SJ44,

    I thought that the Tigers asking Inge to catch was part of the problem?

    And guys, I know you hate Farnsworth, but he’s not completely worthless. When he can get on the mound, he pretty much gets it done. No more nibbling, not too many dingers.

    He’ll suffice for now as a semi-quasi-set-up guy. If someone grabs the brass ring and passes over him. You’ve got Hawkins, Farnsworth , setup guy, Rivera with Joba in the rotation. Farnsworth as your 7th inning, worse case-scenario 8th inning guy and you’re still not happy? Boy, you guys are spoiled. lol.

  30. Michael April 28th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    paulino shouldn’t be considered; he had a good year when he was called up in 2006 but hasn’t done much since; he’s lazy when it comes to defense and is outmatched by pitchers. Doumit won’t come at a cheap price because he is pittsburgh’s starting catcher.

  31. pat April 28th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    I read it would take Moeller 72 hours starting today to clear waivers. That would mean we should know something by Thursday.

  32. Real World April 28th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Just go with Molina and servicable alternative behind him. I wouldn’t overpay, or overreact right now. The key here is to find out what the status on Posada’s shoulder is. If he’s done for the year, and Molina & Co. are struggling, you make a move. If not, you deal with what you’ve got.

  33. frankiedue April 28th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    screw it, call up jesus montero!

  34. Boston Dave April 28th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    relax….

    Molina is fine as a starting catcher. Who cares about the backup’s offense?? Just get a guy who can play D for the other 20% of the time.

    The fact that we are worried enough to trade guys for a backup catcher is crazy. That said, yanks are lucky they had the best backup in MLB (Molina) so that its not a concern.

  35. Paddy R April 28th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    how about p.j. pillitere? waswatching.com suggested it, seems reasonable.

  36. Russell NY April 28th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Farnsworth for Inge… not a bad idea!

  37. Hugh April 28th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    the yankees would be better off just setting up a wall with a spray painted square with an X through it if theyre going to go with one of the bums on that list.

  38. Benjamin April 28th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Moeller got some singles for us great, if Posada is out for 6+ weeks I don’t care if Moeller clears waivers or not I don’t think he solves our problems. It’s one thing not trading Hughes for Johan…it’s another if your starting catcher goes down and you need a replacement, I’d prefer giving up some farm for a good replacement. Granted we shouldn’t break the farm but something for a more legit catcher makes me less nervous that having Moeller. No offense to Chad but…

  39. hmmm April 28th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    “whoever put Moeller out to pasture before Posada was figured out should burn for this.”

    this has to be the most disingenuous post in the history of this blog. and that’s saying something.

    go back to last week and read the comments on this blog.

    “WHY DON’T THEY CUT MOELLER ALREADY AND BRING BACK DUNCAN?”

    over and over.

    the Yankees obviously took a VERY conservative route with holding onto Moeller for as long as they did. to the point where everyone here was bitching and moaning about it.

    they waited until Posada caught the first 2 games in Chicago and then rested the 3rd game to see how he felt.

    he must have said he felt fine on Friday, so they FINALLY went with the roster move.

    then he aggravated it on Saturday.

    everyone here is working with imperfect information. no one knew that would happen.

    the constant second guessing here is so annoying.

    also, do you really think Moeller is that good? so what, they lost him. i’d imagine that Stewart is his exact equal.

    the guy had 20 decent ABs, and now people are calling for someone’s head for releasing him.

    give me a break.

  40. SJ44 April 28th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Mel,

    He may not like catching but, as long as he is under contract with the Tigers, they will use him as they please.

    He’s a valuable commodity to them. They have an older team. If Pudge or Ordonez or Jones get hurt, they have a guy they can plug into those spots.

    I think they hold onto him for the season because given the state of their roster, he’s going to get a lot of PT over the course of the season.

  41. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    “paulino shouldn’t be considered; he had a good year when he was called up in 2006 but hasn’t done much since; he’s lazy when it comes to defense and is outmatched by pitchers. ”

    you got stats to back that up ?

  42. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    1. I am one who does not hate Farnsworth and so totally ignore comments calling for his head. Not only are they ridiculous given the circumstances in the bullpen, they are ridiculous since the guy in showing improvement all the time.

    2. We don’t need anyone to take over for Molina. I didn’t think that was even a question here. Molina could take the entire season if he had to, with someone in the wings for backup. That’s how good he is. Defense is what we need in a catcher, as is the case with most catchers. Offense is a plus if you get it.

    Soup – your remark about someone burning for letting Moeller go is the very reason I am hopeful that Jorge’s problem is something short term. They never would have let Moeller go if they thought they had ANY problem on their hands, let alone a big one. In fact, they thought Jorge was good to go until he threw to third and said he felt some pain! Don’t forget an MRI and three concluding opinions said it was nothing major.

  43. Steve Balboni April 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Farnsworth for Inge? Too lopsided. Maybe Detroit will throw in Cabrera to sweeten the deal.

  44. mel April 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    SJ,

    Thanks. I read that Inge wanted to be traded before the season began because he wasn’t starting and then they wanted him to spot catch to boot.

    I’m sure he’s not a happy camper right now (except he might be secretly laughing that Cabrera’s wasn’t producing as expected before his injury).

    Seems like a good guy, though, kind of the 6th man that’s the glue.

    Cleveland seems to be on track, any predictions on how the Tigers fare this season? Something’s definitely up with Verlander.

  45. Benjamin April 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    I just realized the solution—-John Flaherty!!!!!!

  46. CB April 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    “how about p.j. pillitere? ….”

    Pllitere is ready to catch defensively in the majors. And he’s already caught Hughes, Kennedy and Chamberalain and knows them well.

    The question with him is his bat. He’s not a good hitter and it’s hard to think he’s ready to hit in the majors.

    And he’s not on the 40 man roster. That’s a big consideration with a guy whose bat may not be that close to being ready.

    One of the ways that Cervelli’s injury impacted the organization was that it wound up moving Pillitere back to AA. He was expected to be in AAA.

    Pillitere needs AAA at bats before you can tell if he’s ready to be a back up in the majors.

  47. #9 April 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    In voice of Ben Stein in Ferris Bueller’s Day of:

    “Moeller??? Moeller??? Moeller??? Moeller???”

  48. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    “If Posada is going to be out longer than six weeks…”

    Call it a feeling but I’m thinking surgery for a lot of reasons, even if rehab is an option.

    Why put off the inevitable if non-surgical rehab is only a maybe at best. If there’s a weakness in that shoulder, and there’s a possibility that a surgical repair plus cleanup lasts longer/works better/provides more confidence than nature taking its course, I think the Yankees and Jorge are thinking about ’09, ’10 and ’11 as much as ’08. They want him to catch as long as possible. They really don’t want him as Giambi redux, a 1st baseman by contract rather than ability.

    Even without surgery, Cash has to be in a bit of a sweat as he re-thinks his succession plan at catcher. Molina turns 33 this June (magic age range of catcher decline) and Posada just proved he is mortal after all.

  49. ANSKY April 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Short term I’m thinking Fasano … he was here before. Unless it took more than a couple low-level prospects to get him. Otherwise Miller being a FA sounds good.

    Molina is a good enough defensive C to start on most teams, so I’m thinking the backup C for (potentially) the rest of the year isn’t as critical a choice as who’s going to play 1B every day for the rest of the year. A backup C plays roughly only 1 game out of every 5.

    While in the background (copied from my late post in the last thread) I’m also thinking about this:

    OK let’s assume Posada misses some time this year (even if its all year) and comes back to C next year. Who in the know (CB? SJ? Anyone?) knows if Montero could develop defensively as a C quickly enough to become Posada’s full-time backup in ‘10 (while being a DH) then take over behind the plate while Posada moves to DH/backup C for his final year?

    Or is Montero likely to need the playing time in the minors more in 3 years?

  50. Hugh April 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    trisha, youre right…Farnsworth is BY FAR the best pitcher not named Mariano or Joba in the Yankees bullpen…and its not even close.

  51. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Real World I’m with you. And anyone else who has said something that equates to “relax”.

    I’ll wait to see what we have on our hands and then I’ll check out the Yankee organization response and know it’s a good one.

    Have a good day y’all.

  52. TurnTwo April 28th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    How about Gerald Laird? Texas just recalled Saltalamacchia, and its been reported how eager they would be to move Laird, with Teagarden also at AAA. He’s more of the all-glove/almost no-bat variety, but MLB proven.

  53. hmmm April 28th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    “Don’t forget an MRI and three concluding opinions said it was nothing major.”

    no, we HAVE to have someone to criticize. o/w there is nothing to talk about.

    guys, it’s Chad Moeller.

  54. jennifer April 28th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Don’t forget that we are now missing Bruney so at the moment we aren’t in the position to be trading a middle reliver.

  55. CB April 28th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    ““Or is Montero likely to need the playing time in the minors more in 3 years?”

    Ansky,

    Defensively I think Montero will take 3 years to develop properly. He will not be 19 until November 2008. That’s how young he is.

    So even in 3 years – he’ll only be 21.

    I could see his bat being ready in 2 years.

    But defensively he’s going to need time. It’s such a hard position to play.

    It’s worth it being patient at him.

    If Montero blossoms at catcher – he will be one of the most valuable players in the entire game because he’ll be so much better than the average catcher in the league.”

  56. mel April 28th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    ANSKY,

    From the previous thread, about Sabathia? Did you notice that the Fox crew spent an obscene amount of time talking about Sabathia’s contract talks? About the union wanting him to top Santana’s deal and that Sabathia *wants* to give the Indians a hometown discount?

  57. Brian from PA April 28th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Rough, rough week for the Yanks. First Bruney now Jorge. Hopefully it’s not as bad as it sounds and we can have him back well before the All-Star Break. But hey, thank god the Yanks traded for Molina last year. I actually feel pretty comfortable with him being the everyday guy. Can you imagine if we still had Wil Nieves? lol. I’m content to see what Chris Stewart can do, and hope that Moeller clears waivers. i think we’ll be all right.

  58. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    FWIW Ronny Paulino

    RISP .600/.667/.700
    RISP 2 outs .500/.600/.500
    runners on .529/.600/.647

    for some reason he sucks when no one is on base. :?

  59. S.A.-Phil Hughes was saved and Joba will be a starter! April 28th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    No Piazza

  60. #9 April 28th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Perfect solutio:

    Girardi activates himself as player/manager… that way he can visit Kennedy & Hughes as much as he wants without being charged as a manager visit…

    BTW – I’m available to be interviewed for Cashman’s job should he leave at end of season – feel free to pass the word along ;-)

  61. Brian from PA April 28th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    also, Girardi seems to be in great shape still. Maybe they can redo his contract to make him a player manager and he can be Molina’s backup. ;)

    Or Tony Pena!

  62. Jerkface April 28th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Just say no to Doug Mirabelli. When he was on the Padres he didnt want to catch a game because ‘his boys(the red sox) were in a big series with the yankees’. Just imagine what he would do to this team if he were on it.

  63. ANSKY April 28th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    CB –

    I just caught’ your post from the last thread regarding Montero. Thanks. He’s that young huh?

    Bad idea to not continue getting playing time for 3 years, but he has a good shot?

    If his bat is that good now, maybe it’ll be worth the wait when Posada’s done with his 4 years. Would that statement be more realistic or optimistic?

  64. Brian M April 28th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    The Rangers have just called up Salty from AAA. They are already 7 games back and will struggle to get at bats for him if the keep Laird as a regular behind the plate. They might be willing to move Laird for some pitching prospects and let Salty use this yr to get used to life in the bigs. Obviously we don’t want to give up too much to fill a short term need, but if Posada is done for the year he could be a decent option. He is getting $1.8M this yr so wouldn’t have too much of a tax implication either.

  65. TurnTwo April 28th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    doesnt Paulino play multiple positions? kind of like Inge in a way, he can backup Molina, or play 1B or the OF, right? versatility is always nice, depending on the price.

  66. Chris April 28th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Pete,
    Will Carroll said Posada has a torn rotator cuff. I assume he has no gotten another MRI yet, so this is just speculation at this point? Also, has he officially been put on the DL yet, or is that move still pending?

    As for the moves they should make, they have to call up Stewart for Scranton until they get a better diagnosis of the injury. If it shows a strain like before (just reaggravated), then Molina and Stewart can hold down the fort until Posada comes back. If it’s more severe, then you need to look at some of these other options.

  67. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    “The Rangers have just called up Salty from AAA. They are already 7 games back and will struggle to get at bats for him if the keep Laird as a regular behind the plate. They might be willing to move Laird for some pitching prospects and let Salty use this yr to get used to life in the bigs. Obviously we don’t want to give up too much to fill a short term need, but if Posada is done for the year he could be a decent option. He is getting $1.8M this yr so wouldn’t have too much of a tax implication either.”

    see this is an example of overbuying the Rangers ,most likely will sell high Laird for more pitching prospects why do this ?

  68. Hugh April 28th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    wil nieves us actually doing pretty well in DC

  69. Brian from PA April 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    i don’t think they should be hasty and make a trade or anything for a part time catcher that we’ll probably only have this season. Ronny Paulino, as intriguing is it is, is too good of a player to trade some of our prospects for just to have him catch once every 4 or 5 games then have no where to put him next year.

  70. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    TurnTwo he played 1B too, but hasn’t since 2004

  71. Nick in SF April 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Obviously the Yankees have to get Piazza to catch for Clemens later in the season.

    It’ll be a killer kombo!

  72. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 28th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Peter….what do YOU think the Yankees should do ??? I would like to hear your thoughts, friend ?

  73. S.A.-Phil Hughes was saved and Joba will be a starter! April 28th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    What the hell did Carlos Delgado do yesterday? Not come out for a curtain call? Is it really that big a deal? Really?

    (sorry, I’m listening to WFAN and these two crazies are screaming at each other about it)

  74. Brian from PA April 28th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    jeez. the Red Sox are in the midst of a 5 game skid and yet they’re still 3 games over .500….

  75. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    “What the hell did Carlos Delgado do yesterday? Not come out for a curtain call? Is it really that big a deal? Really?

    (sorry, I’m listening to WFAN and these two crazies are screaming at each other about it)”

    just once I’d like to see a punch thrown between them :lol:

  76. mel April 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Did anyone feel just a *little bit* sorry for Sizemore yesterday as his consecutive game streak (1/10th of Ripken’s!) came to an end?

    And Roger Clemens! They’re really digging dirt up on him. This is how old this is. The 15 year old girl in the story is now 32 years old. I hope he’s telling the truth about it being platonic cuz that’s pretty sick for a professional athlete to do that.

  77. Brian from PA April 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    mel: i didn’t feel bad for sizemore at all. 3 some consecutive games is nothing. i felt bad in 06 when Matsui’s was broken though, i’ll tell you that. i didn’t care when Tejada’s got broken either.

  78. CB April 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    “Will Carroll said Posada has a torn rotator cuff. I assume he has no gotten another MRI yet, so this is just speculation at this point? Also, has he officially been put on the DL yet, or is that move still pending?”

    We always knew Posada had a shoulder “strain.” All strains are a type of tear.

    Yesterday the NY Times said the affected muscle was the subscapularis muscle.

    The subscapularis muscle is one of the muscles that makes up a the rotator cough.

    So a “strained subscapularis” is the same as a “torn rotator cough.”

    The key thing is how bad the tear is – what grade tear it is.

    From the prior MRI the tear wasn’t thought to be that bad. It’s still bothering Posada so he’s getting it reevaluated.

    But the question with any tear is whether it is so large (generally a type 3 tear) that it requires surgery.

    Carroll himself said that he thought it was unlikely that Posada would need surgery.

    I’ll also say that while Carroll is very good on injuries he tends to have less information on yankee players because the organization is so lips sealed on injuries.

    Here’s what Carroll wrote:

    “Posada has a torn rotator cuff, the same muscle (the subscapularis) that has Rich Harden on the shelf. Posada will head to Birmingham for an examination and consultation with Jim Andrews. After the announcement, Posada seemed very emotional, which could indicate that he knows this is a longer-term injury or could just be a reaction to being placed on the DL for the first time. A subscapular tear is a bad thing for a catcher, and it isn’t something that one can come back from quickly, though surgery doesn’t look like an option. I’m setting Posada’s DXL at 30, but remember that he could come back as a DH more quickly than that. The problem is that’s not what the Yankees need, and certainly not what they thought they were signing, though they had to understand the risks of signing an older catcher, even one as durable as Posada.”

    http://www.baseballprospectus......cleid=7437

  79. Brian from PA April 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    300 something* not 3 something lol.

    HE HAS PLAYED 3 CONSECUTIVE GAMES!

  80. #9 April 28th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    “What the hell did Carlos Delgado do yesterday?”

    Did not do curtain call after hitting 2nd hr of game…. in his defense Delgado rarely does cc…

  81. S.A.-Phil Hughes was saved and Joba will be a starter! April 28th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Hahaha Brandon! I think I would pay to see that. Like a dollar. :)

  82. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    “jeez. the Red Sox are in the midst of a 5 game skid and yet they’re still 3 games over .500….”

    they have not played anybody yet, they’ve been home most of this month, the tough schedule was LAA and TB so far 5 losses…wait till they go against the new Baltimore Orioles, Chicago Whitesoxs, Toronto again. They also are lucky they caught Detroit sleeping and Cleveland sleeping w/ a stupid CL option. Now we will see what the Red Sox really have.

  83. CB April 28th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    no idea why i kept writing cough instead of cuff.. sorry about that.

  84. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    ok, so now he’s a lying, cheating PEDOPHILE! c’mon all you roger defenders, defend your boy now!

  85. #9 April 28th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    If we’re gonna have Piazza on that list – might as well add Butch Wynegar on it too!

  86. mel April 28th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Brian from PA,

    Oh yeah, a lot of people felt for Matsui, his was global!

    Just looking at Sizemore’s sad eyes (thanks for zooming in TBS) got to me. Just a little. He still irritates me cuz he’s just the greatest thing since sliced bread. lol.

  87. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    screw that suit up Tony ! :)

  88. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    ok, so he’s a lying, cheating (in baseball and marriage) PEDOPHILE! c’mon all you roger defenders, defend your boy now!

  89. hmmm April 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    “Did anyone feel just a *little bit* sorry for Sizemore yesterday as his consecutive game streak (1/10th of Ripken’s!) came to an end?”

    nah. i think consectutive game streaks usually HURT their team.

    there are very few players that don’t need a day off from time to time.

    how many times was Matsui in a prolonged slump, but Torre couldn’t sit him down because he would have had to answer a million questions to the Japanese media?

    i think it was very smart of Wedge to just end this now. it’s early enough that Grady won’t be too upset and now it’s not something he has to worry about when deciding what is best for the team.

  90. ItalianGreco April 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Fasano may be ok, but this is a different Yankees club house. There is no more candy or ice cream, so Fasano may not want to come here anymore. Plus, I don’t think Girardi would want him because he is a little overweight.

  91. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Wright does look like at the end of that clip he said …”No..don’t go”

  92. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    At this point I think you have to be a little light in the loafers if you believe anything that comes out of Clemens mouth. Either that or you slept through the Congressional hearings.

  93. hmmm April 28th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    “c’mon all you roger defenders, defend your boy now!”

    IF this turns out to be true, no one is going to defend him.

    but we don’t know if this is true. not at all.

    i need to see actual proof before i call someone a pedophile.

  94. matt April 28th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Last night everyone was killing me for suggesting a trade now even pete agrees with me I love it! It seems like sending farnsworth and probally a low to mid level prospect to detroit for Inge is the best way to go. I also another option. The yankees should go after gerald laird and CJ wilson. That way we shore up the catcher spot and Joba could still move to the rotation even though we lost Bruney. If the shoe fits ya know?

  95. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    where’s everyone who jumped all over me the other day when i suggested that jorge wasnt right and they cut moeller too early?

  96. hmmm April 28th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    “At this point I think you have to be a little light in the loafers if you believe anything that comes out of Clemens mouth”

    trisha, i don’t think “light in the loafers” means what you think it means.

  97. ANSKY April 28th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    From what I know, and I’m not a doctor, an MRI can sometimes miss things. All the doctors who look at Posada’s MRI could be reading the same thing which may look as if there’s no tear.

    If the MRI ‘slices’ are taken at a certain interval, something could still be going on between the slices. It doesn’t have to be a big tear to cause inflammation that hurts like hell.

  98. Brian from PA April 28th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    ugh. when is that stupid thing about the word for “the day between friday and sunday” getting caught in the filter going to be fixed?

  99. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    i was suggesting an inge trade all saturday morning on here

  100. S.A.-Phil Hughes was saved and Joba will be a starter! April 28th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    They are gonna spend another hour talking about the Delgado situation.

    Meanwhile we have the NFL Draft, NBA and NHL playoffs and the Posada/Yankees situation this past weekend. But they focus on whether or not Delgado was right or wrong for not coming out for a curtain call? You just have to laugh.
    :)

  101. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    and like you, when i suggested getting inge or crede, everybody said it was a joke, and i was an idiot.

  102. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    hmmm -

    I definitely didn’t mean the homosexual connotation!

    To me someone light in the loafers doesn’t take the time to think things out.

  103. matt April 28th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    no love for the laird wilson deal???

  104. Jimmy27 April 28th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Brian just use “Sabado” (this is a multilingual board, isn’t it?)

  105. WestCoastFan April 28th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    I say get Craig Biggio out of retirement.

  106. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Paulino was praised by the Pirates’ pitching staff as an excellent catcher to work with. The staff ERA is markedly better when Paulino is behind the plate. – Post Gazette

    His .310 batting average makes him the first rookie catcher since Mike Piazza to play in at least 100 games and bat at least .310. He is only the second rookie catcher since 1969 to have those numbers.

    hmmm…and he has options I think…hmmm…. :?

  107. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    “if it was true,” he’s already admitted that he had a realationship with the (15 y/o) girl, but denies it was sexual. anybody who still believes his denials is living in some kind of dream world. but i guess since you stood by him through all the lies up till now, its easy to just continue with your head in the sand.

    your boy belongs in prison.

  108. mel April 28th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Actually, having a consensual, sexual relationship with a minor doesn’t make you a pedophile. It’s statutory rape. Get it right.

    It happens all the time, but I said it would be particularly sick because Roger was a professional athlete, and his behavior should be beyond reproach. And there was a significant age difference. But please don’t pretend that 15 years don’t have older boyfriends.

  109. S.A.-Phil Hughes was saved and Joba will be a starter! April 28th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    I wonder what else will be coming out about Clemens.. :|

  110. Patrick April 28th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    “trisha, i don’t think “light in the loafers” means what you think it means.”

    Hahahaha

    “It seems like sending farnsworth and probally a low to mid level prospect to detroit for Inge is the best way to go.”

    Brandon Inge is not a catcher. He can do it but not very well.

  111. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    reality check mel, shes underaged, he belongs in prison

  112. mel April 28th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    What kind of filter lets pedophile and “light in the loafers” through, but not a certain day of the week?

  113. Remember Paul Gibson? April 28th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    The best thing to do would be to bring up Carl Pavano and make him catch. Heck, if you can’t fill in Posada’s position and Molina takes some days off, do you know how gratifying it will be to see him get plowed into at the plate every now and then? Sure we’d lose, but what an effigy to enjoy!!!

    Bring up the Albatross and make him catch!!!!

  114. Rishi April 28th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    FWIW – I have had 2 MRIs on my shoulder over the last 18 months (along with a ton of xrays), been in PT for the last 18 months and they are now deciding it’s a muscle tear (not detectable in MRIs due to location) and I need arthroscopy…

    Now my job does not require throwing, catching and hitting so I figure the course of care is different here, but I thought I’d throw it out there as an example of MRIs not always having the answer.

  115. Patrick April 28th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    “I say get Craig Biggio out of retirement.”

    Craig Biggio the 42 year old second baseman?

  116. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    JMO I’m relative newbie here. You used the words “your boy”. What is your rooting interest?

  117. jennifer April 28th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    I think Jorge was just very frustrated with the situation. As he said he has worked very hard to try and come back, than to have a set back like this. He wants to get it straightened out.

  118. matt April 28th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Aquiring Inge allows us to move him anywhere on the field hell the guy can even pitch!

  119. mel April 28th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    JMO,

    Fine. Just don’t throw the word pedophile around. Look up the word and you’ll see it’s not germaine to this particular situation.

  120. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    “What kind of filter lets pedophile and “light in the loafers” through, but not a certain day of the week?”

    The kind of filter that understands the connotation of “light in the loafers” to mean the opposite of a mental heavyweight and therefore was not offended by it.

    :)

  121. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    my rooting interest is justice. rapists belong in prison.

  122. Brian - So Cal Yankee Fan April 28th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Back to the Yankees catching situation….

    I wait to see if Moeller makes it thru waivers first. If he does, he still has to spend 10 days at SWB before being recalled. Then, I believe, Stewart would have to pass thru waivers (and possible be lost) if he is sent down.

    For what it’s worth, Rasner has been raving about Stewart’s catching at SWB, so give Stewart a chance to backup Molina so Molina doesn’t breakdown catching every day.

    Without knowing the extent of Jorge’s injury or time he’s going to miss, it’s not the time to start buying high for a Laird or Paulino.

    SoCalYankeeFan 8)

  123. jennifer April 28th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    trisha light in the loafers means ones hits from the other side of the plate.

  124. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    mel, stop making excuses the lying cheating, pervert.

    this wasnt some 22 y/o rookie getting drunk and picking up an underage groupie without knowing her age. this is a married 28 y/o father and established professional ballplayer and superstar sneaking behind his famiy’s back to mess around with a 15 y/o starlet.

  125. gayle April 28th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    SA you are so right and what makes it even worse is that they are not even brining up the fact that Delgado said after the game that he has only come out for 2 curtain calls in his entire career and he felt he didnt deserve one. That this was not a game winning HR, he hadnt had a walk off etc.

    But why should the facts get int he way of an hour plus discussion

  126. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    JMO – so do people who lie to Congress belong in prison. That wasn’t my question, and I didn’t think my question was terribly threatening. I wanted to know what team you rooted for. When you used the words “your boy” I thought that you rooted for another team, that’s all. It was an innocent question.

  127. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Jennifer, people have also used it to describe simple minded individuals, although the classic connotation is homosexual. Anyway, you know now which one I meant!

  128. WestCoastFan April 28th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Patrick, Biggio was a catcher before a 2B. And played 141 games last year.

  129. matt April 28th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Roger isnt worth discussing. He fleeced us worst then Pavano last season. And he wasnt a 21 year old rookie he was 28!

  130. mel April 28th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    JMO,

    I’m not making excuses or defending him. If it’s not innocent as he claims, he’s wrong. IAnd if it was consensual, it’s not a federal offense in my eyes. The girl’s mama knew exactly what was going on and is probably just as culpable.

  131. jennifer April 28th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    You learn something new everyday.

  132. matt April 28th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Check out MLBtraderumors.com they have a list of available catchers its a great rumor site.

  133. Patrick April 28th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    “Patrick, Biggio was a catcher before a 2B. And played 141 games last year.”

    Biggio played 2 innings as catcher last season. The last time he caught before 2007 was in 1991. I really hope your initial post was meant as a joke.

  134. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    yes perjurers belong in prison too, but rape is a much more serious crime and not the kind that you give a total presumption of innocence to. rapists are arrested and if ther is sufficient evidence to go to trial, they are denied bail and kept in jail while awaiting trial.
    oh, i forgot he’s a millionaire superstar so his lawyers will keep him living in some mansion somewhere (probably not his family’s) until he is tried. or worse yet, he goes the michael jackson way and just pays the girl and her family big time to shut up and go away.

  135. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    FatCessa is hinting that we have to give up w/e to get another SP :roll:

  136. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    JMO, is this country singer a relative of yours? You seem to be taking the allegations pretty personally. Or is it a guilty conscience for something you’ve done ;)

  137. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    mel, stop making excuses. a 15 y/o cannot consent. there is no such thing in law as consensual sex with a minor.

  138. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    JMO -

    You’d have to check out the statute of limitations on the crime of rape.

  139. Patrick April 28th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    “rape is a much more serious crime and not the kind that you give a total presumption of innocence to. rapists are arrested and if ther is sufficient evidence to go to trial, they are denied bail and kept in jail while awaiting trial.”

    This is totally untrue. In all crimes the defendant is presumed innocent. Deciding upon bail is done on a case to case basis. There isn’t a rule that says “Everyone charged with rape is denied bail.”

    Trish, you are a lawyer, confirm/deny?

  140. pat April 28th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    JMO

    I don’t condone a married man being involved with anyone outside his marriage but…..

    You are stating things as fact that haven’t been proven to be. It’s always dangerous standing on a soapbox unless you are 100% sure you’ve got a strong base built under you.

  141. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    nice murph, after spending the whole winter making excuses for rocket, you now decide he’s undefendable, so you infer that i must be a rapist too?
    when r u going to give it up?

  142. mel April 28th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Checklist:

    √ Praise Melky

    √ Acknowledge Wang’s awesomeness

    √ Discuss catcher situation

    √ Talk about Clemens scandal

     Discuss tonight’s pitching matchup

  143. Blargh April 28th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    http://www.flsenate.gov/statut.....05#0794.05

    So, why do they specify age 16 or 17, instead of ’17 or younger’?

  144. DLev April 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    I love that some people here are now angry that Moeller was cut — probably a bunch of the same folks who were angry he was taking up a roster spot last week. Now they’re acting as if he’s the second coming of Thurman Munson. He was cut by the Nationals and the Yankees before the season was a month old for a reason — the reason being that there are a whole bunch of players, including Stewart, who are pretty much as good as him. It would be nice to keep him around because, as Casey Stengel pointed out, you do need a catcher. But whether he’s at AAA and Stewart backing up Molina or they bring in Fasano or any of those other guys probably won’t make a game difference in the final standings.

  145. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Patrick – confirm.

  146. sunny615 April 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    How long before the yanks can bring chad moeller back to the majors?

  147. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    “yes perjurers belong in prison too, but rape is a much more serious crime and not the kind that you give a total presumption of innocence to.”

    JMO, you might want to re-read that presumption of innocence stuff a couple more times.

    First of all, it applies to prosecutions, so you are a little out front considering this is a celebrity love life rumor spread in part by someone with emotional problems trying to jump star her failed career.

    Second, the presumption of innocence really does apply to all prosecutions, including statutory rape, at least here in the USA.

  148. mel April 28th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    JMO,

    Once again, I don’t approve of it if it’s true.

    But you’re the one who needs a reality check if you don’t think this crap goes on all the time. It’s disturbing, but it’s true.

    Now, please, get off my back.

  149. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    JMO, what did you put in your coffee today? Fire AND Brimstone?

  150. pat April 28th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Mel

    So what do you think of this Mussina/ Laffey match up? :smile:

  151. StandingO'Neil April 28th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Who says Mirabelli always kills us? Take a look at his career average against the yankees. It may seem like he hurts us more because he has had so many opportunities, but in actuality the Yankees have handled him quite well in the past.

  152. jason April 28th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Mel – good plan.
    What is the deal with Laffey. Looks like last year was his first year in the minors to a 4.5 ERA. If would be nice to have the offense break out and split the series heading into Detroit (who seems to be hitting better the last week and a half).

  153. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Patrick, confirm meaning that you are correct that bail for the majority of alleged crimes is done on a case-by-case basis.

  154. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    JMO:

    Duke University.

    Still think that presumption of innocence shouldn’t apply in rape cases?

  155. mel April 28th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    pat,

    Well, I’m hoping for the best, but prepared for the worst from Moose. I’m so sad that we lost Andy’s start, but I’m not mad because he was such a warrior getting out of jams until that inning. So hopefully Moose can get one back for us.

    BTW, Bruney really did break our hearts, huh?

  156. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    And JMO you are required to give a total presumption of innocence to any crime brought before the justice system and have to do so unless and until the government proves its case.

  157. Rishi April 28th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Have you all had a chance to look ahead at the Tigers match-ups…looks decent:

    “An intriguing set of pitching pairings include Detroit’s Kenny Rogers (1-3, 7.66) vs. New York’s Phil Hughes (0-3, 7.85) on Tuesday, Jeremy Bonderman (1-2, 4.28) of the Tigers against Andy Pettitte (3-2, 3.23) on Wednesday and Nate Robertson (0-3, 6.91) opposite Ian Kennedy (0-2, 8.53) of the Yankees on Thursday.”

  158. jay destro April 28th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    get me some SALTALAMACCIA!

  159. Fredo Corleone April 28th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Have to agree that Pete appears a little anti-Girardi at times, but I’m not sure it’s any more loopy than those who believe Girardi is a great manager or a better manager than Torre. One guy has a losing record a zero accomplishment as a manager and the other is going to the HOF.

    Truth lies somewhere in the middle of Pete’s view and the view that says “Girardi is a great manager”. It’ll take more time to get there for some than others apparently.

  160. Nick in SF April 28th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    So this is the thread where trolls complain about the latest Clemens accusasion? Great.

    Big test for the Moose tonight, can he deliver a quality start back-to-back and can he do it against a quality lineup?

  161. Kathy in Rochester April 28th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Saw Sal Fasano catch with the Richmond Braves a little over a week ago here in Rochester against our Red Wings – Sal shaved off the mustache!

  162. jay destro April 28th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    btw brandon inge is a really good idea, he could double as a backup catcher and infield replacement.

  163. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 28th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    JMO = J@ckA$$ Most Obvious
    ,
    RIGHT ???
    .
    :-)

  164. mel April 28th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    I wonder if it’ll be Laffey Taffy night at the Jake, err, Progressive Field. (banana’s the best!)

  165. Agent 86 April 28th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    How about Joe Girardi? :)

  166. Motown Yankees Fan April 28th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Pete – I don’t know if you’ll see a comment all the way down here, but I am wondering if you have a response to the NYYFans article James references at 2:17. The article voices much of the reaction I have had to some of your negatives posts about Girardi. Girardi has not mastered the art of seeming to say something when he is really saying nothing, so therefore some of his substantive answers that wind up being contradicted are for some reason used as evidence against him. In the post-game, the reporters seem to want to push him for answers to questions he is just not prepared to answer. He clearly consults others on his staff before he commits to something. The beat reporters have such excellent coverage of the Yankees, it seems like sometimes you guys know more than he does, or want him to reach a conclusion when he is clearly not ready. I’m not sure if I am seeing the nefarious motives that you are seeing, but then again I’m not there every day like you are. Again, I’d be interested to hear your response to the article and I agree with the premise that you’ve been on Girardi’s case more than is necessary. But maybe I’m missing something.

  167. TKinDC April 28th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    James –

    That was an interesting take on Pete’s perspective though I think it was overly sensitive. Seems like Pete had a ton of respect for Torre and doesn’t have the same rapport with Girardi.

    I also think reporters prefer to have a manager answer their questions and give them information that is accurate – which Girardi essentially has chosen not to do.

    At least Pete is described as a “Rock Star” – who knew?

  168. rb15 April 28th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    JMO, each state’s laws are different, in terms of age of consent, romeo and juliet laws and statute of limitations. also, even if you are withheld bail, it’s never because there’s a presumption of guilt. everyone starts out innocent, even if they are withheld bail for other reasons. trisha is a lawyer, and she is correct (i am a lawyer too, and i’ll back her up).

  169. Patrick April 28th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    “Patrick, confirm meaning that you are correct that bail for the majority of alleged crimes is done on a case-by-case basis.”

    “And JMO you are required to give a total presumption of innocence to any crime brought before the justice system and have to do so unless and until the government proves its case.”

    Thanks Trisha :)

  170. SJ44 April 28th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Seems like Phil Allard left his sense humor at the bar.

    Does he really think Pete’s blog entry of Torre 1 Girardi 0 on ejections is a reflection of Pete’s bias against Girardi?

    Geez, it was a joke.

    When did so many Yankee fans lose their sense of humor?

    Folks, its baseball. In the grand scheme of things, if Pete has to write only about baseball without cracking wise or breaking it up with Springsteen references, etc, he’s better off shutting down the blog.

    Its all of that, besides Yankee info that has made the blog popular in the first place.

    Perhaps that’s the issue Allard has with Pete. Perhaps the popularity of this blog impacts other Yankee blogs.

    What better way to attempt to change it by labeling Pete “Anti-Yankee” or “Anti-Girardi”?

    Instead of looking for the boogeyman in everything Pete writes, why can’t Allard and the like think for a minute.

    For a beat writer like Pete, its a BETTER story if the Yankees are successful. That makes for more interesting stories, more career opportunities (such as the Wang book and other pursuits) and its always much easier to work a beat of a winning team.

    In other words, the Yankees winning, and Girardi being successful, is EXACTLY what Pete wants because its good for business.

    What does Pete get for having a “feud” with Girardi? Nothing.

    As I wrote last night, the fact is, Girardi was untruthful about Bruney. Allard was wrong about the fact that Girardi/Yankees needed more time to evaluate Bruney’s condition before releasing information.

    I knew the night it happened he suffered a liz franc fracture and I wasn’t in Chicago and I’m not a reporter. That diagnosis was confirmed by the two doctors who examined Bruney the night it happened. Both Girardi and the Yankees knew Bruney’s condition the night they left the clubhouse.

    Bruney went to NY in the hopes another opinion would yield a non-surgical answer to his injury. That wasn’t the case.

    As was discussed last night in here, Girardi not wanting to give up certain info (ie: bullpen availability on a given day) is not the issue. He’ correct to do so, IMO.

    The issue is being untruthful in the information he does give to reporters.

    That’s just not necessary and it will end up being a problem for Girardi if it continues.

    Its always a feeling out process between the beat writers and a new manager. It will be a lot easier for Girardi if he works out a compromise with the beat guys.

    For instance, if he can’t tell the truth (which, in some instances, he won’t be able to do) then don’t say anything.

    That way, you don’t put yourself in a position to “misremember” what you told reporters.

    Pete has no Girardi bias. It serves him no purpose to have one. He just wants to do his job.

    Seems to me its a situation in which compromises can be easily obtained to make it better for everybody.

  171. Jimmy27 April 28th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    JMO-
    I’m with you. Unforgivable behavior on Clemens part. I can’t beleive you are getting an argument here. This is not laptops – its a 15 year old girl and a 28 year old man – for cryin out loud!
    Imagine that she was your daughter/neice.

  172. pat April 28th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    mel

    Yes, Bruney did. But thanks to your warning, I was ready for it. At least he ripped the band-aid off quick rather than killing me slowly all year long.

    The vets seem to have trouble with pitchers they haven’t faced before unless they are awful. I’m hoping Laffey is awful and Mussina can hold it close until everyone gets a good look at Laffey.

  173. Bryan April 28th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Jorge Tabata… Yea fatso Francesa that is his name

  174. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    murphdog,

    i put up with you and sj and others making excuses for rocket all winter, not defending him, just making excuses. its so freaking chicken-crap of you.
    now we add rapist to the list and here you go tap dancing again, and on top of that, you infer that i might be a rapist too.
    nice form.

    if there was a video of clemens actully stabbing a guy to death, you and sj and others would say the guy might have died of a heart attack milliseconds before the blade cut him..
    yeah, it might have, and roger might have just been giving that underaged girl some candy, and MJ really didnt do anything with those kids, and pete rose never bet on baseball.
    o thats right, im sorry, after a gizzillion chicken crap people like you defended rose for 15 years (presumption of innocence) he admitted he did to it!

  175. mel April 28th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Jimmy27,

    It wouldn’t be my daughter. I’d watch my 15-year old like a hawk around anyone over the age of, let’s say, 10 years old. Especially if she’s a starlet.

    Ultimately it’s the parent’s responsiblity to watch for the child’s welfare. In this case, the girl’s mother failed, especially if she was sucked in by Roger’s rock star status.

  176. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    murphdog,

    i put up with you and sj and others making excuses for rocket all winter, not defending him, just making excuses. its so freaking chicken-crap of you.
    now we add rapist to the list and here you go tap dancing again, and on top of that, you infer that i might be a rapist too.
    nice form.

    if there was a video of clemens actully stabbing a guy to death, you and sj and others would say the guy might have died of a heart attack milliseconds before the blade cut him..
    yeah, it might have, and roger might have just been giving that underaged girl some candy, and MJ really didnt do anything with those kids, and pete rose never bet on baseball.
    o thats right, im sorry, after a gizzillion chicken crap people like you defended rose for 15 years (presumption of innocence) he admitted he did it!

  177. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Jimmy 27, I agree with JMO and you on Clemens, totally because I don’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

    However as we all know, all of this is for the justice system and not us. So I see it as pointless discussion. And yes, it’s true that nobody here knows anything for sure, any of us included.

  178. Jax April 28th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    The Yankees wouldn’t clean out their farm system for Santana why would they do it for Oswalt?
    Doesn’t sound like he wants to be in NY anyway.

  179. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    “Jorge Tabata… Yea fatso Francesa that is his name”

    I literally was speechless when he said that and even went as far as to suggest Houston would want Jorge Tabata, the CF kid and a pitching prospect… :?

  180. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    “I also think reporters prefer to have a manager answer their questions and give them information that is accurate – which Girardi essentially has chosen not to do.”

    That’s the point in a nutshell. It’s one thing to be artless in crafting a response, but it’s another thing to risk your credibility by stretching the truth or being overly defensive and rigid in your interpretation of facts.

    But as I suggested earlier, Pete gives us the feel of the locker room. The feel right now is that maybe Girardi is going to be a combative, unhelpful media skipper. Pete can play it either way, and still get his info. But Girardi is still in the process of building a rep and we are hearing from Pete, one of the people Girardi is directly interacting with. This is first hand stuff, not mutterings from unnamed baseball execs.

    Take the information for what it’s worth and stay tuned.

  181. TurnTwo April 28th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    wait, what is this about Roy Oswalt? is there a rumor making the rounds?

  182. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    TurnTwo the rumors are bogus but the talk is annoying from FatCessa

  183. Reggie44 April 28th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Odds that Hank is calling up Piazza’s agent right now? I mean, he’s probably the only player that Hank’s heard of on the list.

  184. Jimmy27 April 28th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Trisha
    I agree.

  185. V April 28th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Turn that garbage off. You’re helping their ratings.

  186. TurnTwo April 28th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    if its coming from Fatcessa than it has to be annoying drivel, but what kind of nonsense is he spewing? how did it come into conversation? did he just bring it up?

  187. Jerkface April 28th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    I am not taking sides or anything, but, SJ44, if you haven’t noticed how sardonic Pete can be, and how that might be evidence of an agenda, I don’t know what to tell you.

    Who is more likely to nit pick things like constantly changing the lineup, someone who is joking around or someone who is trying to make a point?

    How about Pete with Hughes? He got his big ‘I told you so’ when Hughes popped his hammy.

  188. number 8 April 28th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    i think jo. mo. will be fine behind there. i think he’s a gamer he may not walk that much but i like how he puts the ball in play. its true that its all about defense for a backup catcher. thats why liked having flaherty back up jorge. no reason to part with anyone or an absurd amount of money for a very temporary catching fix. hell, put morganberg or shelley back there for a game or two why not?

  189. Joe from Long Island April 28th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    I read this blog religiously, and I don’t think Pete has any anti-Girardi bias, at least none that I’ve detected. If I remember correctly, Pete was pretty positive towards Joe during the off-season and ST. What I do think is that Pete, like any journalist, doesn’t like being deliberately misled.

    Getting accurate information is a reporter’s business.

  190. SJ44 April 28th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    So, I’m curious JMO since you want to make this an issue, you have proof that Clemens raped anybody? If you do, you don’t mind sharing it with the rest of us, do you?

    Or, are you going by the Daily News story this morning to draw your conclusions? A story the Clemens side denies.

    I have no idea what relationship Clemens had or didn’t have with Mindy McCready.

    Fact is, neither do you.

    So, here’s a thought. Why don’t you wait until facts come out before you get on the soapbox?

    Neither murph or I endorse rape. We just have this funny little habit of waiting until facts come out before forming an opinion on a matter as serious as rape.

    I know, its crazy to be that way but, what can you do?

  191. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 28th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Brandon: Why do you always listen to them when it’s obvious you can’t stand them? :-P

  192. jay destro April 28th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Roy Oswalt laughed when asked about rumors he was interested in waiving his no-trade clause.
    Peter Gammons had raised the possibility on ESPN’s “Baseball Tonight,” with the Yankees being the likely destination for Oswalt. “I don’t know where he’s getting that from. That came out of left field somewhere. I don’t know if he just brought it up or if he heard it from somewhere. I don’t know where he got it,” Oswalt said.

  193. Mark Alan April 28th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Paulino would be a great fit. Pittsburgh needs starting pitching, so Phil Hughes would seem like a good trade. It would be good for Phil, as he’d get used to the big leagues in a place where the games don’t matter. If the Bucs won’t do that straight-up, throw in Giambi and pay his salary. Although the Pirates don’t need a DH, perhaps he would be alright playing first bsse where wins and losses don’t matter.

  194. Blargh April 28th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    So, if this turns out similar to Duke lacrosse, would there be apologies or it’ll just be quietly buried away, harm done with no price? Just saying, since it is a possibility that there was no sexual activity between the two when it would’ve been illegal.

  195. mel April 28th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    I think a lot of people who come here are either sensitive to Pete or have little man syndrome and want to jump on Pete for every little thing.

    The man has responsiblity to himself as a journalist and to his employer, the Journal News. No one else.

    Newsflash: Peter Abraham is not a machine and he’s not a historian. That means everything he writes will have a slant, intentional or not.

    His job is to create interest in the paper, and more immediately here on the blog. Not to coddle and please millions of faceless, nameless people on his blog.

    Thank you, Pete, for letting us crash at your pad while you’re out doing your thing. You’re doing a great job. Just less Springsteen (j/k) and more Patriots (j/k). Where’s your Patriot draft analysis thread?

    p.s. This is an adjustment period for Girardi the manager (mistakes will be made) and Girardi the communicator. Maybe a little more patience as he has a lot of balls to juggle? Losing Bruney and possibly Jorge (not enough info to make any type of statement) is a big blow right now.

  196. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    JMO:

    He’s a rapist? I must have missed the trial.

    A gazillion chicken crap people like me are lawyers who are there to defend people like you from all the morons who prejudge others to be guilty based on rumor and unreliable witnesses with motives to shade the truth. We also stand up to law breaking prosecutors and Corrupt Governors who try to hurt innocent people for their own political gains (Mike Nifong and Eliot Spitzer). Sorry you have to put up with all that chickencrap.

    But if you are ever accused of a crime, just promise to be consistent and go plead guilty to the top count at arraignment and demand the maximum sentence without a lawyer or trial or the right to confront witnesses or the right to challenge evidence seized from you by police or statements taken from you by the police…

    Why don’t you crawl back into your double wide and wait for the rapture?

  197. number 8 April 28th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    mark-

    get rid of our 4th starter and the consensus future of the franchise to pick up a bum catcher that will only be used for MAYBE the rest of this season? have you watched baseball? ever?

  198. SJ44 April 28th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Jerkface,

    Hughes is very friendly with Pete. I doubt seriously Pete wants to see somebody he has become friendly with fail.

    As far as the lineups? I hate to tell ya, but there are guys in the locker room who are unhappy about the daily lineup changes. And they aren’t the usual suspects in that regard.

    Like it or not, it is a topic of conversation in the Yankee locker room and Pete has correctly picked up on it and reported it. That’s his job.

  199. gayle April 28th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    mark alan

    that post is a joke right??

    if not please get real. The Yankees are not trading a pitcher like HUghes for a backup catcher

  200. al arodien April 28th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    pete- that writing aganst you is pritty harh! just interseted if you have any response?

  201. TurnTwo April 28th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    let me just say, i’m sure all of this Oswalt talk is just pure nonsense.

    that being said, who wouldnt be interested in importing a healthy Roy Oswalt to pitch at the front of the rotation between Wang and Pettitte?

    Difference between Oswalt and Johan being that Oswalt is already signed to the deal, meaning there is no extention, and no outrageous new salary thresholds being broken.

    of course recognizing this is all pure speculation, but not for nothing, but I’d package a couple of young players for Oswalt.

  202. SomeGuy32 April 28th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Chad Moeller situation:

    In a ‘designated for assignment’ situation – he can clear waivers in just 2 business days. The question is: WHEN did they place him on ‘assignment waviers’ – as that information is not made public.

    If they did so on Friday – we’ll know tomorrow.

    It is NOT a 10 day waiver period (DFA status lasts UP TO 10 days… but a player does not spend most of that time on waivers… that’s where people get confused)

    And since he would potentially be sent outright to AAA if he goes unclaimed (and not optioned) – he does NOT have to wait any sort of set time in Scranton before being able to come back. Yankees can repurchase his contract immediately.

  203. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    “Brandon: Why do you always listen to them when it’s obvious you can’t stand them?”

    Rebecca it’s simple, later one of my co-workers or later this week some of my friends who believe in his drival needs to be deprogrammed so I listen so I can know where the source of thier stupid thoughts come from when we get into debates. Like not so long ago they spewing the get Cano to AAA theory I found out the source of it came from this drival, the Joba fist pump I found out same thing, so now I can debate stupidity w/ common sense. Anyone notice how FatBoy hasn’t spoken on the Joel Sherman Joba article I wonder why …. :)

  204. number 8 April 28th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    gayle maybe the richmond braves will take joba and tabata for fasano then we’d be set!

  205. gayle April 28th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Welcome to the world of New York media and how the littlest most non important issue becomes one. On the day after the football draft, a day after Posada goes on the Dl for the first time in his career, the day after the Mets actually take 2 or 3 from the Braves they have spent almost 2 hours now on Carlos Delgado not coming out for a curtain call.

    And you wonder why players dont want to come to this media market

  206. Drew April 28th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Get Laird from Texas..then they can make Salty the full time catcher.

  207. Scorpio April 28th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Peoples, this is a Yankees blog. Can we get back to talking baseball instead of slinging nastiness back & forth at each other? Topics like rape & politics do not belong here.

  208. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    and yes IDK why I wrote drival instead of drivel or forgot “were” before spewing.

  209. mel April 28th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    TurnTwo,

    I’ve heard nothing but the fact that Oswalt doesn’t want to come here. Why would he waive that clause? And why would you no-trade list the Yankees in the first place? It’s the greatest franchise in the world! :)

  210. Joe April 28th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Brandon, I like the method of your madness. In essence, you’re scouting your opponents. You’re healing people, or trying to heal people.

  211. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    exactly Joe.

  212. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Blargh:

    As far as possibilities, ballplayers being ballplayers – - and rich – - anything is possible.

    But at the same time, I can’t help but be suspicious about the rumors, since this is coming up at the same time as this woman is trying to re-start her career. Like they say, “there’s no such thing as bad publicity as long as they spell your name right.” (Eliot Spitzer might disagree).

    Right now it’s just a story in the Daily News and no criminal allegations have been made (except by JMO). So we’re not at the Duke stage. Still, Roger being a public figure, it’s hard – but not impossible – to defame him.

  213. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    “Get Laird from Texas..then they can make Salty the full time catcher.”

    for who ?

  214. TurnTwo April 28th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Mel, I would take any and everything that comes out re: Oswalt with a grain of salt, including where he wants to play and who he would waive his no-trade for. The only thing on record from Oswalt is that he said last year he would waive his no-trade if the Astros asked him to if they felt it would make Houston a better team going forward.

    and of course, it is the greatest franchise in the world, which is why i would expect he wouldnt have the yankees on that list! :-P

  215. Fredo Corleone April 28th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    “TurnTwo,

    I’ve heard nothing but the fact that Oswalt doesn’t want to come here. Why would he waive that clause? And why would you no-trade list the Yankees in the first place? It’s the greatest franchise in the world!”

    Odd that the Yanks are on that list and Boston is not. In terms of life in baseball, Boston is as bad as NYC so far as having the media crawl up your _ss.

  216. Jerkface April 28th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    SJ44:

    No, i do not think Pete wants to see Hughes’ fail, but you could taste the relish on the bun when Hughes popped his hammy and Pete got to spend the next few months tellin us ‘I told you so, they rushed him, blah blah blah’. Go back and re-read those chronicles, it wasn’t pretty.

    As for the line ups, who has been complaining?

  217. Fredo Corleone April 28th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    “Get Laird from Texas..then they can make Salty the full time catcher.”

    for who?”

    There’s the rub….

  218. rodg12 April 28th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Bradon,
    Do you have a link to the Joba article you were talking about? I’d like to read it.

  219. mel April 28th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Phil would never say, but I wonder how he felt the moment he found out the Yankees were going to draft him? He’s a Sox fan, but didn’t grow up in the area so maybe he wasn’t all that repulsed.

  220. Blargh April 28th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Hitler was kind of too dead to be tried

    But we still got the Nuremberg Trials with the other war criminals :P

  221. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Scorpio:

    Fair point, but allow me one observation before I recede.

    In addition to needing to respond to posts of some rather nutty stuff about the correct weight to be given to rumors, I was singled out for my comments today and going back to what I posted over the winter about Clemens and the Mitchell Report. I think I am, as would anyone else in that position, be entitled to respond up to a point.

    But, I recognize the merit of your request and absent further hostilities, I will keep my weapon holstered.

  222. rodg12 April 28th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    JMO:

    Just a moronic comparison. Absolutely moronic. Comparing the man who single-handedly lead one of the greatest atrocities in the history of man-kind to Roger Clemons? Get a clue man. In fact, get a box of clues.

  223. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    A LONG-TIME SCOUT WHO SAW TWO SINGLE-A STARTS:

    …I will tell you what I think on this kid. You put him in a playoff game, and when he leaves it is going to be 1-0 or 2-1. The score is going to be low for the other side. He was a dominant No. 1 guy in the minors. I left the stadium and said, “What else do you want in a starting pitcher?” I saw (Jonathan) Papelbon in the minors. I never thought Papelbon was a closer. The Red Sox did a great job. Somebody said this guy can close. I didn’t see that. Chamberlain as a starter was better than Papelbon. He had more options. He threw harder. Papelbon was 92-94 (mph) as a starter. His second pitches were all average. He would grind you out with his fastball. Chamberlain in the minors showed four potential plus-pitches. I wrote down on my notes, “For power arm guy not afraid to use whole assortment of pitches.”

    I saw (Chien-Ming) Wang in the minors. He was a strike-throwing sinkerball guy. I liked Wang. I didn’t walk out of the game going “wow.” Chamberlain was a “wow” guy for me. Those guys are extremely difficult to find. Pro side, amateur side, international side. Everyone is looking for a No. 1 starter. This kid was a No. 1 starter for a first-division team.

    source

    and there is more in the link.

  224. Hugh April 28th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    I wonder if McNamees lawyers will bring in the worlds biggest ___blocker, Chris Hansen, as a consultant on the latest Clemens accusation.

  225. raymagnetic â„¢ April 28th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    “As far as the lineups? I hate to tell ya, but there are guys in the locker room who are unhappy about the daily lineup changes. And they aren’t the usual suspects in that regard”

    Call me crazy but wouldn’t it have been almost impossible for the Yankees to have the same lineup all year?

    Jeter was hurt and missed games, A-Rod missed a couple of games, Posada couldn’t catch. Melky got suspended for a game. So did Shelly.

    Not to mention the rotating left field/DH/First Base situation.

    Seriously, there are actual players on the Yankees who are upset about the juggling lineup? Have they not paid attention to what has happened in the season thus far?

  226. Fredo Corleone April 28th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    “As for the line ups, who has been complaining?”

    Pete does tend to post something along the lines of “Another day, another lineup” when posting the daily lineup. Whether that should be construed as complaining is in the eye of the beholder I suppose.

  227. Drew April 28th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    “Brandon (supporting the new movement “Alex being Alex”) April 28th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    “Get Laird from Texas..then they can make Salty the full time catcher.”

    for who ?”

    Rangers always need pitching…send the Igawa and tell ‘em its Wang ;)

  228. SJ44 April 28th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    We finally get to the bottom of the matter. It always happens when you allow folks to go one step further.

    JMO hates lawyers. We are all “sleazeballs” in his uniquely informed world.

    Tells me he must have had a bad experience with one and that’s what this is all about.

    Hope you never need one again son. With that attitude, you won’t be gettin’ a good one.

  229. Jerkface April 28th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Fredo:

    SJ44 insinuated that the players have been complaining or grumbling about the lineups. If that is the case, then its probably newsworthy, and I’m surprised an article doesn’t exist about it. if one does, link?

  230. raymagnetic â„¢ April 28th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    “hitler never confessed to any crimes, nor was he ever tried. ”

    You’re really making yourself look like an idiot now.

  231. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    JMO: (Sorry Scorpio)

    Clemens = Hitler? Wow.

    Yeah, I’d have given Hitler the presumption of innocence if he were tried in the criminal courts of the United States. It’s not really up to you or me who gets the presumption. It’s the darned Constitution that controls.

    But once you start claiming the right to pick and choose which accused person gets the presumption of innocence, you are turning into a fascist, like Hitler.

  232. Marc W April 28th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Bring back Fasano! He’s good guy and had his moments with the Yankees. He won’t play for long so I think we should give him a chance.

  233. rodg12 April 28th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Thanks Brandon.

  234. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    rodg12, this was my favorite quote

    TOM FILER, PITCHING COACH, DOUBLE-A READING PHILLIES:

    I was very impressed. The first couple of innings he was 94-96 (mph). By the fifth inning, he was 97-99. His slider was very impressive. I liked the action on his breaking ball. I only saw those two pitches, the fastball and slider. On this given day, we had no shot (against him). This guy can do anything. I think he was on a restricted pitch count because he only went five innings and went through us easily. He is a major leaguer no matter where you put him. He can start, set up or close. What do you need? He can do it. This is a guy with power. He might not be as refined as (Josh) Beckett the first time I saw him at 19 or 20 years old. But with Joba Chamberlain, I saw more power.”

  235. Hideki Balboni April 28th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Why did the Yanks DFA Moeller before they had a better idea about Posada’s condition? I know Moeller isn’t very good, but he’s a lot better than the current backup options. Cashman blew it.

  236. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    murphdog, sj, mel and trish and any other’s making excuses for roger:

    when does the presumption of innocence end?

    hitler was never tried and never confessed. still extending the presumption of innocence.

    one other thing, if roger called and asked to take your 13 y/o daughter out to dinner (alone), you gonna say yes?

    excuse makers like you covered for pete rose for 15 years until he admitted what was totally obvious from the beginning, that he did bet on baseball.

  237. JDnotDrew April 28th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Didn’t know Hitler played baseball.

  238. Blargh April 28th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    “Why did the Yanks DFA Moeller before they had a better idea about Posada’s condition?”

    Desperation for a reliever, most likely

    Hopefully you weren’t one of the people last week wondering why Moeller wasn’t DFA’d yet and why the Yanks were holding onto 3 catchers for ‘so long’ :P

  239. SJ44 April 28th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Ray,

    Players want consistency. Veterans are routine freaks.

    In some instances, injuries have certainly affected the lineups. In other instances, its been about matchups and that’s rubbed some guys the wrong way.

    Its not mutiny or anything like that. Its just something that has come up.

    When you have a new manager, its a feeling out process for everybody.

    Personally, I don’t think the stuff is a big deal. There were guys in that locker room who hated Torre like poison and went out and gave it their all.

    Its just something that every team deals with (players questioning decisions) over the course of a season.

    The Yankees are no different than any other team in that regard.

    But, if you work the beat, and it comes to your attention, its something you are going to keep an eye on. That’s the job of a beat writer.

  240. Blargh April 28th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    You can’t try a dead man, JMO
    Same reason that Pol Pot couldn’t get tried by a international tribunal; he died (perhaps by suicide…) before he could get turned over

  241. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    CB would love this quote, especially the last sentence

    AN NL SCOUT WHO SAW THREE DOUBLE-A STARTS:

    For me, he was a top-of-the-rotation guy. I have had a long-running debate in my head between Chamberlain and (Phil) Hughes. As far as stuff, I think I wrote him up as a No. 3 with upside. He pitched at 94-96 (mph). But the one thing is he threw seven innings and he maintained velocity. I saw him throw 98 in the seventh inning. He could step it up when he needed. I remember one time he was pitching at 94 and it was either the sixth or seventh inning and two guys got on with one out, and he did not throw another pitch at less than 97.

    He had a really, really good slider. It was a devastating out pitch. It was his best pitch, effective against both lefties and righties. His change was fringy, but he had a decent feel for it. His command was fringy-average. He was right on the edge with command. Where Hughes was ahead, was with better command with three pitches and better feel for pitching. Joba was more aggressive. They were both in my mind top-of-rotation guys without hesitation.

    For me, he is a starter. There are a lot of guys who can do that set-up role.

  242. Jerkface April 28th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    SJ44 : Is this based on something? You are talking like an authority but I don’t see any sources?

    Who has been rubbed the wrong way? Can you be more specific?

    Or are you just giving your opinion and trying to paint it as fact?

  243. raymagnetic â„¢ April 28th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    “hitler was never tried and never confessed. still extending the presumption of innocence.”

    You are really making yourself sound extremely unintelligent when you keep making the Hitler comparisons.

  244. Nick in SF April 28th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    It’s no suprise that a troll (JMO) does what a troll does, nor is it a surprise that he ratchets up the rhetoric when people engage him in conversation. But are are people giving him the attention? He was obviously clowning around with the very first post about Clemens and it’s been downhill with every subsequent post.

    We’re under four hours from the most crucial start of Mike Mussina’s day, people! Focus!

  245. Clay Bellinger April 28th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    So where is the proof that players are grumbling about the line ups?

  246. rodg12 April 28th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Brandon,

    Yeah, that was an awesome quote. “He can start, set up or close. What do you need? He can do it.” Always good to hear that about one of your pitchers!!

  247. Jeff NJ April 28th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    I thought last weeks topic on games thrown out comparing Torre and Girardi was bad, but talking about obtaining a backup catcher is barely a step above. I’d rather just stick with in house options.

  248. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    JMO:

    “when does the presumption of innocence end?”

    When the trier of fact comes back with a guilty verdict.

    “hitler was never tried and never confessed. still extending the presumption of innocence.”

    The presumption of innocence as I am using the term is only relevant when discussing the US Criminal Court System. I wholeheartedly endorse extending the Constitutionally guaranteed presumption of innocence to anyone tried for a crime in the US Criminal Court System, even Hitler.

    “one other thing, if roger called and asked to take your 13 y/o daughter out to dinner (alone), you gonna say yes?”

    I can accept that you may not be aware of the legal meaning of terms like the presumption of innocence and I don’t really hold that against you. But it’s things like this that really make me wonder about you. This and the Pete Rose thing.

  249. mel April 28th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Nick in SF,

    You said something to me the other night in one of the threads that made me laugh. Can’t remember what it was, but I wanted to give you props for being clever and say thanks for the good laugh.

  250. rb15 April 28th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    JMO, the presumption of innocence ends when the jury says it does – after the jury’s sat there and heard all the evidence, under the fair and justiciable parameters of the applicable rules of evidence and civil procedure, not to mention the due process clauses of the constitution.

    none of us are excusing roger if he did it – we’re just telling you that we want to wait and see both sides of the story before we come to any kind of opinion, let alone a legal one. wouldnt you want the same treatment if someone accused you of something so despicable?

    if roger called and asked to take my 13 year old kid out, i’d say no for a variety of reasons, one of which is that it’s sketchy for ANY older man to want to take out ANY younger girl (or boy, for that matter). but then again, my personal opinion of roger won’t sentence him to jail time – that’s the duty of whatever jury hears the case, if and when a jury ever does.

    SJ, murph, trish – funny how people always say lawyers are the scum of the earth. until they need one. then, we’re their best friends.

  251. Ricky Rios April 28th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Peter, Do the Yanks have any control at all about always playing a night game on “Gettaway day?” Monday night after Sunday afternoon must be brutal….

  252. Hugh April 28th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    hitler was a prophet

  253. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Nick in SF:

    “He was obviously clowning around with the very first post about Clemens and it’s been downhill with every subsequent post.”

    If I weren’t formerly related by marriage to people who actually thought and spoke like JMO, I might have been more likely to conclude JMO was just funning with me. But if he/she is just funning with me, more power to you, JMO.

    You punk’d me good.

  254. SJ44 April 28th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Its what I have heard from talking to several folks over the last week. I am not going to give names because if I do that, then information dries up immediately. Its not team destroying stuff. Its not even a big deal. Its stuff that comes up over the course of a season.

    I’m sure its a combination of a lot of things. Injuries, guys being short tempered after spending so much time on the road, frustration, etc.

    Torre had the same issues from time to time in his 12 years in NY.

    These are the issues managers deal with on a daily basis.

    My point is, from Pete’s perspective (the beat), that’s stuff he will discuss or report as it comes up.

    It doesn’t make him “Anti-Yankee” or “Anti-Girardi”. It makes him a reporter. That’s what he is supposed to do.

  255. raymagnetic â„¢ April 28th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    SJ44,

    Thanks for the clarification.

  256. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 28th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Whoever just invoked Hitler seriously needs to look up Godwin’s Law.

  257. Brian from PA April 28th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    LMAO @ comparing Clemens to Hitler. yeah, THAT’S the same.

    you’ve gotta be kidding me. thanks though i needed a good laugh at the expense of another.

  258. Joe from Long Island April 28th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    I read where soem of players on the Yankee teams of the 1950′s hated Casey’s platoon system. Players like routine, I guess.

    Just trying to get the topic back to baseball.

  259. rodg12 April 28th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    JMO:

    I’m sure you reacted with outrage at the Duke case as well, didn’t you? How’d that work out for you and the other “shoot first, ask questions later” types who convicted them first and ended their season and cost innocent teammates an entire season of their college careers. Man, that sure was a great decision there. Just flawless logic. Oh wait, they couldn’t prove anything? There was no evidence that they did anything wrong? It was a story reported by the media that ended up not being close to true? Wow, that happens? Really? Just leave man, convicting people before you have any evidence of wrong-doing is a completely asinine and unacceptable thing to do.

  260. Jerkface April 28th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    SJ44: Anonymous sources? Weak.

  261. Motown Yankees Fan April 28th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Nick – thanks for this one:

    ‘We’re under four hours from the most crucial start of Mike Mussina’s day, people! Focus!”

    First time I’ve cracked a smile all day. I was getting a little tired of JMO attacking my chosen profession (but I’m surprised at how many lawyers there are on this blog–I guess we all sit in our offices with the door closed and a computer on our desk, which leads to this blog…)

  262. miggs April 28th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Regarding players being upset with the lineups, I’d say its not a stretch to assume Abreu and Matsui are on that list.

    Guys that are hurt can’t have a gripe, nor should any of the bench players.

    So which regulars have been on the bench more than usual? Which players should be starting on a nearly everyday basis but aren’t? Those two.

  263. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Alright.. what’s the over-under for number of innings Moose goes in the Cleveland ice box tonight? See you on the next thread.

  264. Blargh April 28th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    “funny how people always say lawyers are the scum of the earth”

    But the mass media does such a good job of convincing me that lawyers are money sucking leeches… ;)

  265. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    i read all of sj and murphdog’s lame defense and excuse making all winter, now the boy you defended needs your defense again, because he’s such a sleezeball that crap is coming out of the woodwork now.
    so yeah, im gonna throw my 2 cents worth in now. too freakin bad about you.

    clemens is sleaze and the only reason you make excuses for him is that he wore the pinstripes.

    that is truly disgraceful.

  266. miggs April 28th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Also guys no offense, but all this law talk and engaging these idiot trolls is really hurting the thread. Can you guys just let it go?

  267. Patrick April 28th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    SJ,

    I’m just curious but have you heard anything about how the players feel about Girardi’s ban on candy/ice cream? It’s a pretty absurd move by Girardi and I’d be surprised if nobody was a bit ticked off about it. Not really a big deal but I’d be interested if you’ve heard any rumblings.

  268. miggs April 28th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Anyone know when a lineup is going to be posted?

  269. SJ44 April 28th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    It may be weak to you but I’m using names in a public blog. If that upsets you, I am sorry. That’s not going to change. If you chose not to believe the information, that’s ok. It doesn’t bother me in the slightest.

    Joe,

    Great story about Stengel. Phil Rizzuto HATED Casey Stengel and Phil Rizzuto was not known for hating anybody.

    Even if they saw each other (before Casey died) at social functions, dinners, etc, Rizzuto still wouldn’t talk to him.

    Bill White used to get Rizzuto all riled up when he would bring up Casey’s name in the booth. It used to drive Rizzuto crazy. lol

    That’s 20 years after Rizzuto played for Casey.

    Its the weird dynamic that is the relationship between managers and players.

  270. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 28th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    DJ Hall signs w/ the Giants

  271. mel April 28th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Motown Yankees Fan,

    Who are you billing these hours to?

  272. Nick in SF April 28th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    mel: thanks!

    murphydog: to clarify, when I wrote “clowning around” I meant that he was acting like a clown/troll, not deliverately trying to be lighthearted/funny.

  273. SJ44 April 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Patrick,

    I haven’t heard anything on that. I will say though that a lot of teams are doing what Girardi did. That is, banning all non-healthy snacks from the clubhouses.

    That’s not a uniquely Girardi thing. Its kind of the trend nowadays with teams around MLB.

  274. Motown Yankees Fan April 28th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Mel – client development. ;)

  275. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Blargh:

    “But the mass media does such a good job of convincing me that lawyers are money sucking leeches…”

    The media are not entirely wrong, but that doesn’t mean all lawyers are overcharging you. And I do have the pleasure of chasing clients for money from time to time. Criminal defense lawyer are not, by and large, able to leech money out of a criminal defense practice, unless they become house counsel for an organized crime family or a drug cartel. And those guys are funny in their own way about not wanting to overpay ;)

  276. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    murphdog, thats a bunch of more legalese excuse making. answer the question,

    roger is on the phone now, he wants to take your 13 y/o daughter to texas for a weekend vacation, that ok with you?

  277. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Nick in SF:

    No problem. Your comment made me realize it’s pretty much the same whether JMO is serious or just baiting me.

    Motown:

    “Client development” I love it.

  278. Motown Yankees Fan April 28th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    JMO – I think everyone would not allow their 13 year old daughter to go with a 40 something married man to Texas, whether or not said man has been accused of having sexual relations with a minor. That conclusion does not strengthen any point you are trying to make here.

  279. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    JMO:

    Sorry. Anymore answers and I’ll have to start billing you either for psychotherapy or legal advice.

  280. Motown Yankees Fan April 28th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    murphydog – excellent answer!

  281. Doreen April 28th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    I just heard on the Mets game that Micah Owings sprained his ankle on his third hit of his game last night, running into second base for a double :(

  282. Patrick April 28th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    “I haven’t heard anything on that. I will say though that a lot of teams are doing what Girardi did. That is, banning all non-healthy snacks from the clubhouses.

    That’s not a uniquely Girardi thing. Its kind of the trend nowadays with teams around MLB.”

    Thanks.

    Lucky for Girardi that Cecil Fielder doesn’t play anymore.

  283. Doreen April 28th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Oh, he was 3 for 3 on the day, too.

  284. Drive 4-5 April 28th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    My best friend is a public defender. If anyone thinks they are “money hungry leeches” should spend a month in his shoes. Public defenders provide a vital service and get paid minimally.

    On to baseball… if the Yanks can pull off a win tonight and end this “18 out of 20 on the road” stretch only 1 game out of first, we’d be thrilled. It’s not the way they would have drawn it up, but I’m sure the Yanks would have signed on for it when it all started back on April 8.

  285. JimDC April 28th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    The only other team to announce the candy/ice cream ban is Tampa Bay. The players are free to eat candy/ice cream in the privacy of their homes or in their hotel rooms. It is silly to think this is punitive in any way.

    A smart vendor should approach the Yankees and offer healthy snacks for free; Official Snacks of the New York Yankees.

    Good for Girardi on this one.

  286. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    murph, just like when i questioned you directly this winter whether you thought clemens did take staroids, you would not answer. the fence post is so far up your a.. that you cant actually have a real opinion.

    so again i ask, you gonna let roger take your 13 y/o to texas for the w/e

    doesnt involve any of your legal ‘expertise’

  287. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    JMO

    Reading comprehension pal. I can’t stomach Clemens. I guess you didn’t pick that up when I said I didn’t believe anything he said? Having been real good at “connect the dots” as a child, it didn’t take a lot for me to be able to figure out he was a stone cold liar with all his steroid denials. Do I believe he had a sexual relationship with this latest chippy? You bet I do. That said, belief doesn’t make it so. He has the RIGHT to the presumption of innocence for purposes of the law. Just because you think a certain way does not mean that others have to think that way nor does it mean that you are unequivocally right and they are unequivocally wrong! They could be unequivocally right. And that would make both me and you unequivocally wrong.

    I will be the LAST person who will ever make excuses for or cover for Roger Clemens. However having studied the law I do know what his rights are.

  288. Jorge Steinbrenner, the long-lost third brother April 28th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Call me crazy, but why isn’t this Stewart guy a good enough option for now? Everything I’ve read on him, including his AAA stats, make him out to be about as good as Chad Friggin Moeller, who one guy just called for Brian Cashman’s head over us DFAing.

    Maybe, just maybe, like Chad Moeller before him, Chris Stewart will feel the power of the pinstripes and lead us to about 80 decent at-bats and a few guys run down at second.

  289. Drive 4-5 April 28th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    It’s hard to believe the Yanks only won 26 World Championships and had beer,liquor, cigarettes, soda, ice cream and even cannolis in the clubhouse. lol

    Myself, I think it’s micro maanging to ban ice cream.

  290. Paul April 28th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    whew, this blog is unusually strongly opinionated today…..used to be kinder and gentler…
    Don’t like confrontation….think I’ll watch Flinstone reruns.

  291. Clare April 28th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    SJ44,
    Agreed, if players are complaining about the lineup that’s a story Peter should report. However I haven’t seen him reporting that, I’ve jusy seen snide comments. If he makes those kinds of comments he has to expect a response.
    Mel, in response to your comment much earlier, Peter isn’t letting us hang out here out of altruism. He’s building a reputation that will lead to professional advancement here. He’s not doing us a favor. And, he is not above criticism. He goes beyond reporting on this blog and offers up his opinions and his idea of humor. He can certainly handle any flack he gets as a result.

  292. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    trish , i did nothing more than you just did right there, i called him a rapist and liar. you just called him a stone cold liar and said you think he slept with her too.

    why are you complaining about me then, since you just did the same thing i did.

  293. Drew April 28th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Some of you sure know how to take a decent discussion and turn it into trash.

  294. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Hey hey hey! I am home for the day. Just wanted to make that perfectly clear in terms of billable hours!

    And I am the “do good” type of lawyer by the way. I love pro bono stuff, and I definitely have a prosecutor’s bent. I work in the area of civil rights and anti-dicrimination.

  295. trisha - April 28th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    JMO, I was referring to the post where you accused me of covering for him!

  296. Tyler April 28th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    cbs sportsline basically retyped Pete’s post and used it in thier player news section for Fantasy Baseball…

    News: LoHud.com reports that Jorge Posada will be examined by noted orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews and the catcher will abide by whatever he suggests. That might be two weeks of rest and rehab or surgery, which could cost him 4-6 weeks or possibly the rest of the season depending on how much damage there is.

    Analysis: If Posada is going to be out longer than six weeks, GM Brian Cashman probably needs to obtain a veteran catcher to pair with Jose Molina. Some possibilities include: Mike DiFelice (minors for Tampa Bay), Sal Fasano (minors for Atlanta), Doug Mirabelli (free agent cut by Boston in spring), Damian Miller (free agent), Josh Paul (minors in Houston) and Mike Piazza (free agent that hasn’t caught a game since 2006 with San Diego). The Yankees could also trade one of their prospects to Pittsburgh for Ronny Paulino. Molina injured his hamstring when he saw regular at-bats earlier in the month, so whomever joins the team could play a lot, which makes them AL-only viable. Reserve Posada in all leagues for Fantasy Week 5 (April 28-May 4) and Week 6 (May 5-11) and consider him a candidate to return in Week 7 (May 12-18).

  297. Motown Yankees Fan April 28th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    JMO – You cannot compare your logic to Trish’s; you just cannot. If you can’t see the difference between your argument and her points, you need to stop arguing.

  298. Patrick April 28th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Wow Tyler they pretty blatantly ripped Pete’s blog post. Didn’t even bother to re-order the names.

  299. murphydog April 28th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    “the fence post is so far up your a.. that you cant actually have a real opinion.”

    JMO:

    Very challenging rhetoric. I’m chomping at the bit to answer. My hourly rate for this kind of work is $300 an hour. Send me your credit card info so we can get started ;)

  300. JMO April 28th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    chicken crap murph rides again!

    full of legal bullcrap but completly unable to see a sleazeball and liar for what he is.

    at least your consistent in being a chicken bleep.

  301. Jon April 28th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Um, it says “LoHud.com reports….”, doesn’t it?

  302. Jon April 28th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Wait, it doesn’t. (Tyler, where’d you get that from? maybe they removed that?)

    Pete – get your lawyers on the phone!

  303. Brian M April 28th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Brandon,

    ‘see this is an example of overbuying the Rangers ,most likely will sell high Laird for more pitching prospects why do this ?’

    If you read what I said, I put we shouldn’t do it as a short gap fix as it will cost too much in prospects. If Posada is out for the yr though we need a reliable catcher. Getting Laird is achievable without giving up any of our top pitchers. He isn’t an A level guy. We have literally dozens of good RHP in the minors. Guys like McAllister, White and Wright are all legit, but honestly won’t get a sniff of a regular slot in NY because McCutcheon, Horne, Cox, Melancon, Heredia,…. and about 10 others are ahead of them in the line. Even Marquez at this point has little chance of being more than the 4th choice injury cover. With Igawa, Rasner and White we really are well covered for injuries though.

    We can’t stockpile guys forever and then lose them for nothing in the rule 5 draft. We need to make some room for guys like McCutcheon to move through the ranks and we need to lose one or two guys from the 40 man roster. Moving Marquez is a good option.

  304. 1b MARK TEIXEIRA 2009 April 28th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    JUST SIGN MIRABELLI.

  305. MJR April 28th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    ABP – Anyone But Piazza.

    I hope we don’tr sign just for the name. Piazza is obviously done for already.

  306. myrtlebeachfan April 28th, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Hahahahaha, this Laffey kid really enjoys screaming curse words into his glove.

    It’s classic.

  307. Tim April 28th, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    “how about the trading with the Tigers for Brandon Inge for Fransworth and prospect or two? Inge is clearly isn’t happy in Detriot anymore and the Tigers been wanting Fransworth back for 2 years already.”

    That has to be the worst trade proposal I have ever heard. We already lost Bruney for the year and we need Farnsworth. Plus why would we trade a key player for someone who would eventually be a 3rd string C? Dont get me wrong Inge is a good player but he is much better in CF or 3B and him coming here wouldnt solve any of his problems. He is already unhappy with his current bench role in Detroit. Also why would Detroit want to do that? Sheff is injured pretty bad and is contemplating retirement. If that happens Inge will be a starter.

    “What are the odds the Red Sox claim Moeller just to screw the Yankees?”

    None. Its not like Moeller is THAT great he did well for us but come on…Is he really that much better then Miller or Fasano?

    “Mirabelli’s intriguing only cuz he always kills us.”

    So what he was released and is no longer playing for anyone. Its not like we are trading for him to get him off a team we have to constantly face. HE SUCKS. Easily the worst option.

  308. Hit Me A Touchdown April 28th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    micheal barrett

    did i spell that right?

  309. gianthinker April 29th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    I could deal with Sal Fasano or Doug Mirabelli.

  310. brian berke April 29th, 2008 at 1:28 am

    serves the dumbass yankee organization right for signing a 36 year old catcher to a longterm contract with premium money during the offseason. lmao @ the yankees, the most hated organization in the history of sports, and yankee fans, the most obnoxious, self-centered, arrogant bunch of scumbags to ever sit in a baseball stadium.

  311. Peter April 29th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    How about Brayan Pena?

  312. CHRIS April 29th, 2008 at 9:55 am

    I believe that the Yanks should talk to the Reds about making a deal. They care carrying 3 Catchers right now and an unhappy Ryan Freel. Yanks could get another switch hitter Javier Valentin and Freel for the now unnecessary Wilson Betemit and some minor leaguer. Freel is one of those guys the Yankees need; he could be our Chone Figgins.

  313. Rocky Balboa May 1st, 2008 at 11:00 am

    BRIAN BERKE….you hate the Yankees and their fans so much, get the F#ck off of the Yankees chat page and go back to your box under the bridge!! Nobody asked you to join this page you jealous jacka$$!!

    Now back to baseball. Molina is one of the better defensive catchers in baseball and will do just fine along with Chad M. The major problem is that Giambi is done…Cano will swing at anything you could possibly throw up there…Jeets range is down to 3 inches….ARod is on the DL…The Rooks need more time to learn….Hawkins and Farnsy are horrible….Moose is living on a prayer…and coach Joe is making some mighty strange calls sitting his only guys that are hitting…and catching Steward in his Yanks debut with a struggling 21 year old in Hughes. Anyone see that game? He got crossed up what, 7 times? Hughes needs Molina to catch him…save Stewart for a vet like Moose! Other than all of that, our beloved team looks great!! LOL!! Hopefully they turn it around like every year…but I’m feeling this year is different than last unfortunately. :(

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