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The Yankees finally returned home but Phil Hughes was knocked around by the Tigers and A-Rod went on the disabled list. Brian Heyman has the story.

Jorge Posada is getting plenty of opinions on his injured shoulder. This notebook also has an update on Brian Bruney.

If you want to see the All-Star game in person it will cost you. Alex Myers has that story.

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  1. YanksAngel April 30th, 2008 at 3:16 am

    I’d ordered my Yankee Stadium ‘The Official Retrospective’ and it just arrived today. I was skimming through some of the pages just after I got it and noticed a pretty big error on page 66. It had a picture of Jete rounding the bases, and the caption says ‘Derek Jeter rounds third base after hitting a game-winning grand slam on Opening Day 2006′. Only problem was it was a 3 run homer, not a grand slam.

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

    Jeter’s only had one grand slam, and that was in 2005.

    http://yankees.mlb.com/news/wr.....8;c_id=nyy

    It really stood out to me because I’ve been ‘predicting’ his career 2nd grand slam every time this year he’s came up with the bases loaded, hoping he gets at least 2 in Yankee Stadium before it closes.

    Odd they would let an error like that get printed without catching it. Maybe they had Pavano proof reading, lol.

  2. Mr. Scott April 30th, 2008 at 4:58 am

    Do you think Phil would consider changing his number back to 65. He had much more success last year with this number.

  3. Whitey Fraud April 30th, 2008 at 6:05 am

    That guy with the pots and pans should be sent to Flushing — or just flushed!

  4. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 30th, 2008 at 6:36 am

    Boston is not exactly lighting things up either. Let’s see how close we are to the division lead on June 1st. If we are within 5 games on that date, through all we have been dealing with and WILL deal with in the month to come, that will be a place we should all “take”.

  5. murphydog April 30th, 2008 at 6:50 am

    To all the professional panickers: one game at a time, puh-lease.

    Last year this team stunk until just before the All Star Break AND Boston was pulling away. This year, Toronto’s in the basement (note: they play in a dome – so, no weather excuses) and, IMO, there is just no way the Rays and Baltimore seriously contend all season, although they might win a bigger number of intradivision games this year than last.

    With all the injuries and early season disappointments in the offense and the rookie pitchers, it seems like the Yankees can’t get out of their own way. But both the hitting and pitching will improve in time and the lack of offense is part of the burden for Phil and IPK.

    Everybody needs to keep his or her eye on the ball. Until I see otherwise, it’s still a two team race. Which reminds me of the joke about the two hunters who are being chased by a bear. The first hunter says to the second, “We’ll never outrun this thing.” The second hunter replies, “I don’t have to outrun the bear. I just have to outrun you.” In reality, the Yankees only need to be a little better than Boston.

    They need to get some consistency going, get to .500 and start climbing. This homestand should help – although the weather report looks crappy for at least a week. But barring hail and tornadoes, I’m making my first trip to the Stadium on Sunday. (Isn’t that Hughes’ next start?)

    Arriba Yankees!

  6. murphydog April 30th, 2008 at 6:52 am

    I think the guy with the pots and pans is really Steve Swindal.

  7. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 7:20 am

    Murph,

    The chicken littles will be out in full force today. They were last night.

    Nobody learns from year to year. They are just in one mode….panic. Bandwagoners at their finest.

    At this point, they need to send Hughes to AAA. For a variety of reasons.

    They need a veteran who can navigate at least 5-6 innings a start. Rasner has been terrific in AAA and is be the time to give him a shot. That’s why you keep a veteran pitcher or two in AAA. For reasons like this.

    With all the injuries, the offense is a shell of its former self. They need a guy who can keep them in games and Rasner can do that better than Hughes right now.

    They have one spot open on the 40 man roster and he can be slotted in there immediately. I think that’s the way to go in the short term.

    The main reason to send him down is to build up his confidence. The poor kid melted down last night and that’s tough to see.

    Chicken littles aside, he is only 21 years old. This is the first time in his life he has failed playing the game. Its tough.

    For all the talk of the Red Sox young pitchers, both Lester and Buchholz are older than Hughes and Kennedy. It does make a difference.

    For those of you who think his age doesn’t matter, remember Melky’s early struggles? The same “experts” who declared Melky a bust then are now declaring Hughes a “bust”. So, pardon me if I think that opinion is worthless.

    Its not Girardi, Eiland, the weather, the catchers, or the man in the moon. Simply put, he has mechanical issues and confidence issues that can’t be worked out taking his turn every 5 days in the Yankee rotation.

    Leiter made a great point last night about using his secondary pitches. He’s correct. Here’s the problem.

    When you can’t locate your fastball, no 21 year old kid has enough confidence to go through an entire start using his secondary pitches. For those of us who saw Leiter pitch at 21, he didn’t have the confidence to go with his secondary pitches at that time either.

    That’s the kind of stuff you see from Pettitte and Mussina. Two veteran guys who have been there and done that.

    You aren’t going to see that from a kid because, from a confidence standpoint, he doesn’t believe enough in his stuff to do it.

    You gain that confidence pitching with “nothing to lose”. You do that at AAA and not the majors. Especially not with the Yankees. Right now, his mound presence looks like he believes the season is on the line with every start. Too much pressure to perform when you are like that.

    He’s not a bust and his problems aren’t unsolvable.

    However, to keep running him out there now isn’t going to help. You run the risk of ruining his confidence to the point where you have a major problem.

    April struggles are not major problems. If you let them linger, then they become major problems.

    Get him to AAA, let him work on his problems, and see how it goes.

    At this point, his long term prospects are much more important than worrying about his next start.

  8. eyes of realism April 30th, 2008 at 7:24 am

    Let’s get real. The true culprit with this team is lack of hitting. The pitching has kept the team in most games with no run support.
    Very lackluster at bats by too many. Good teams find ways to squeeze runs across the plate. Waiting for the big inning never comes.
    Hughes and Kennedy are having young pitcher issues but they too get no run cushion to work with resulting in their overtrying.

  9. Motown Yankees Fan April 30th, 2008 at 7:24 am

    Given the loss of our two big RBI guys for a while, does anyone think they will call up Brett Gardner? It seems that manufacturing runs may be at a premium for the next couple of weeks.

    I hope they call Rasner up and send Phil down. It was breaking my heart last night to see how upset he was. I thought Ohlendorf looked terrific and Edwar looked pretty good too. (Just trying to look at the bright side).

  10. Wang IS Taiwan April 30th, 2008 at 7:26 am

    Rasner’s good in AAA. That’s a world away from the real game played. We’ve seen his stuff before and it’s nothing to write home about.

    Regardless, I agree that Hughes needs to go to AAA for a while and get his confidence and mechanics back.

  11. Fredo Corleone April 30th, 2008 at 7:38 am

    Motown:

    Gardner has been struggling a little of late. Went under .300 last night and more importantly isn’t running much. 4 for 8 on steal attempts. Saw someone post he had an ankle problem, which might be slowing him down. Not much reason to believe he’d offer anything more than Damon and Cabrera have. In fact, he’d likely offer less.

  12. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 7:40 am

    Lack of hitting is one element. But, when you have 2 starters in your rotation who are winless with ERA’s approaching double digits, that can’t last much longer.

    Another way to look at it. When you don’t hit, its even more important for your starters to give you length and quality.

    In other words, sometimes, you have to win 1-0 games. Like Boston did last night for example.

    No question, the offense has been disappointing. However, you can’t keep guys in the rotation getting their brains beat in every fifth day, while blowing out the bullpen in the process, and not think its going to catch up with you.

    I’ll go one better. Not only would I send Hughes to AAA for Rasner, if Kennedy struggles in his next start, I’d also send him to AAA.

    I would call up Dan McCutcheon to take his place. You can move Bruney to the 60 Day DL to place McCutcheon on the 40 man roster.

    McCutcheon is 25. He’s older than Hughes and Kennedy. He’s also throwing the ball as well as anybody (along with Rasner) in the system right now.

    The Red Sox gave Justin Masterson a start from AA last week and he was terrific. It may be time to see if McCutcheon can do the same.

    They aren’t going to trade for all star pitchers. They aren’t available. They are going to have to fix what’s broken from within.

    They have options. The question is, when do they go to them?

  13. Fredo Corleone April 30th, 2008 at 7:44 am

    SJ:

    Agree with your point on age of Hughes when comparing to Lester and Buchholtz. 2-3 years makes a difference. Argument does not work for Kennedy though. He was born in 1984, just like Buchholtz and Lester. He just not as good as those guys stuff-wise. Hughes is, he just needs to grow into the job and work things out.

  14. Annie Savoy April 30th, 2008 at 7:53 am

    Yankee Fans –

    If you haven’t already, check out the prices to attend All Star events at the Stadium this year. They are completely out of control and out of line for the average family. What MLB is doing here is continuing to charge as much as they can – and more – effectively pricing out the real family fans, and bringing in the high end customers and corporations.

    Baseball fans nowadays are better off going to see the minor league teams in their area.

  15. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 7:54 am

    Fredo,

    Its not just chronological age. Experience also plays a big role. Experience allows you to trust your stuff and get through the rough spots.

    Kennedy’s stuff is good enough to win at the ML level. We see guys with less stuff than Kennedy succeed in the majors all the time.

    The problem is, he doesn’t believe it. He’s gone from A ball to the Yankees starting rotation in a little over a year.

    That’s not a big jump. Its a huge jump.

    Not everybody can be Joba. A kid who, from the first day he showed up in the Bronx, looked and pitched like he was in the majors for 10 years.

    That’s why folks can’t go overboard and declare players “busts” this early in their careers.

    If they aren’t quite ready yet, that’s ok. Make some changes.

    I don’t want to see the Yankees become so stubborn and inflexible on this issue, they end up doing long term damage to both players. Its not the right way to develop players, IMO.

    Sometimes, guys just aren’t ready for primetime when you think they are. It happens with every organization in the game. The good organizations make adjustments and go forward.

  16. 108 stitches April 30th, 2008 at 7:57 am

    The first requisite for the pitchers to succeed is some consistent run support.
    Hughes and Kennedy can be sent down to work on secondary pitches and location but the bats must start producing.
    Girardi may need to tell certain players to take their work more seriously. Laughing and cutting up are fine with winning but not at this time.

  17. randy l April 30th, 2008 at 7:59 am

    “Derek Jeter was held out six games with his quad strain and appears OK. But Jorge Posada came back too soon, as did A-Rod. They both aggravated their injuries and ended up on the disabled list. That falls on Cashman and Joe Girardi, who have the final say.”- peter abraham

    well, they got lucky with joba who tweaked his hammy and jeter with his quad. both could have been rested longer too.

    50/50 on their judgement. actually it should be cashman’s judgement because he has to overrule girardi on injuries and decide when someone will play.

    50/50- isn’t that kind of like flipping a coin?

  18. Rick April 30th, 2008 at 8:00 am

    I wish everyone would stop making excuses for these young pitchers. They have been terrible. Hughes has been so bad he was booed last night and rightly so from people who pay the prices for tickets the Yankees get. Hughes shouldn’t be in the major leagues and Kennedy is not that far behind him taking the bus to Scranton.

    This is the Yankees we are talking about and not the Tampa Bay Rays or Baltimore Orioles. If this continues this team will not be a .500 team this year. They have one pitcher Wang and 3/4 of another Pettitte. Mussina can explode at any moment.

    Cashman built this team with the hope of having Hughes and Kennedy compete this year. That hasn’t happened yet maybe it will maybe it won’t. If Hughes goes down to Scranton who is to say he gets back this year if he flops there?

    Stop making excuses for the Yankees. This is a team that is slipping big time. They have holes all over the place. They have no first baseman. Most of their outfield is going the other way. The front end of their bullpen is questionable. And there are no Joba Chamberlain’s in the minors so get real. I am a yankee fan but I am also a realist about this team.

  19. bru April 30th, 2008 at 8:01 am

    yankees have to be carefull because buchholz is finding his rythm for the red sox and lester pitched great last night but hughes is 2 and 3 yrs younger than both.they should give hughes and kennedy 1 more start each and send them both down,they are hurting the club.bring up rasner for a little while but not igawa.release giambi,play betemit at first base for the rest of the year,gonzalez as backup infielder,dh matsui,bring up gardner as 4th outfielder.girardi doesn’t change the lineup much,he should of put posada on the dl sooner and arod also,he kept playing them and now he lost both.make some changes now.the yankees have to get rid of all the dead weight next year,giambi,mussina,igawa,abraeu,pettitte,pavano,hawkins.go with bruney,alabadejo,farnsworth,mo and joba in the bullpen and go get 2 great pitchers.with a 209 million dollar payroll they should be running away with everything,this is a very poorly built team.the diamonbacks are 10 times better with 1/3 of the payroll and got this bullpen kid from the minors that is like joba,lights out and solved their only weakness wich was the bullpen.the yankees would of been fine if they were solid 1-3 with pitchers,a decent 4th starter and let one kid at a time learn on the job with little pressure but with all the pressure on these kids now especially with mussina struggling it is to much.they should of traded kennedy with others in the minors but not hughes,melky or joba.they need solid pitchers 1-3.wang,pettitte,mussina give up way to many hits per innings pitched.becket,dice-k and even buchholz give up less hits per innings pitched.the thing that confuses me is that last year they almost had the best record in baseball and have the exact same starting pitchers in the majors and minors but a much better bullpen and bench????pitching,pitching,pitching,all they need is an ace and their problems go away.imagine just as an example,becket,wang,pettitte,mussina,hughes with a lot less pressure and either trade kennedy or bring him along slowly or spot start him.the first three give you a chance to win every night.their problem is not the kids it is both of them at the same time,a lot of pressure on them and no true ace.wang is however evolving into a much better pitcher but his era on the road in 2007 is not ace material.wang and pettitte isn’t gonna cut it.

  20. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 8:05 am

    What if the players aren’t honest with you? What do you do then?

    If you ask the player how he is feeling and he says, “ok, ready to go”, and he gets hurt, what do you do?

    I know Arod hates not playing. I know most players not named Carl Pavano, when seeing their team is struggling, are going to want to be in the lineup.

    Cashman is not in the locker room. All he can do is go by is what the trainer, medical staff and player say when it comes to being hurt.

    We can’t have it both ways. We can’t rip guys like Pavano for not trying to play through pain, then second guess those that do.

    Its a tough break but it happened. To me, playing the blame game is a waste of time because it eventually falls on the player. He’s the person that knows his body better than anybody else.

    Just means other guys have to step up and contribute. Every team has injuries. You just have to deal with it and move on.

  21. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 30th, 2008 at 8:05 am

    OK, these 3 pitchers need a new home, whether it is in the Minors or with a new uniform :

    Hawkins ERA 7.98
    IPK ERA 8.53
    Hughes ERA 9.00

    Now I know that Hawkins is supposed to be an innings eater in relief, but in his last 5 games, he has pitched 5 2/3, given up 6 runs and walked 4 batters and only recorded one Strike Out. If you want to keep IPK and Hughes, fine, but they are really doing poorly up here in the show and need to be sent down to get things “right”….It is almost a guaranteed loss each time one of them toes the rubber and with all the offensive injuries we are up against for at least the month of May, if the Yankees are going to stay close enough to make a move, giving up 5-6 runs and only lasting a max of 5 innings is just not what we need.

  22. Fredo Corleone April 30th, 2008 at 8:07 am

    “Cashman built this team with the hope of having Hughes and Kennedy compete this year.”

    This is probably true. Cashman’s in the less than enviable position of trying to rebuild while trying to win at the same time. Given that he has a lot of youth in the pitching staff and a lot of 30 somethings in the field everyday (Cano and Cabrera aside) the results have been somewhat predictable. Some pitchers have taken a routine beating and there have been injuries abound.

    That said, they’re still less than 20% into the season. The weather will warm, the injured will return, and the pitchers will grow up. Cashman is thinking “big picture” as he should, and the Yanks may still end up ok this year. Let’s see where it goes.

  23. Motown Yankees Fan April 30th, 2008 at 8:11 am

    Fredo – thanks for the Gardner update. I had heard he sprained his ankle, but wasn’t aware his BA and SBs had dropped.

  24. Yankee lover April 30th, 2008 at 8:11 am

    Lets look at that Hughes/Kennedy and whoever trade for the best lefty in baseball now. So now fans and the yankee brass can say how wonderful they are with all those loser cliches like “we are giving our youth a chance” “we have homegrown talent” The yankees have done great by adding solid PROVEN free agents and making trades for proven players, all of a sudden they want to do this? Out of all the so called PHENOM pitchers for both the yankees and the mets 80% of them never pan out. They blew it.

  25. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 8:13 am

    Please, not the “I have a right to boo” argument.

    Yes, you have the right to boo. Doesn’t make it right or smart. But, you do have the right to do it.

    After that, then what? What do you do other than complain? How do you fix the problems?

    That’s what we are talking about today. Not whether fans have the right to boo players. I wouldn’t boo my own players because I don’t think it accomplishes anythying. But, that’s just me. I could be wrong.

    Every team has to reload and there are struggles when you do so.

    The Red Sox didn’t make the playoffs two years ago, didn’t trade their young players in panic deals, and look at them now.

    Nobody is making excuses. We are talking about why things may be happening to Hughes, Kennedy, etc.

    Its not your God given right to have a team win the World Series just because they have a high payroll. If you think it is, you haven’t been paying too much attention to the last 7 years of Yankee Baseball.

    When you reload and try to win at the same time, you will have some growing pains along the way.

  26. randy l April 30th, 2008 at 8:16 am

    sj-

    spring 2007
    MAY
    9
    Jason Giambi has a bone spur on the bottom of his left foot. X-rays taken before the game showed it. He said he could play on it but appreciated Joe Torre taking him out after three plate appearances.

    MAY
    31
    Jason Giambi was seen by foot and ankle specialist Dr. William Hamilton today and found to have a tear of the plantar fascia in his left foot. That is the tissue that connects the heel to the base of the toes.

    same old,same old. giambi last year couldn’t have been more botched. it was an easy injury to get right in the first place.

    the yankees are just not good in this area. it’s as simple as that.

  27. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 8:18 am

    The Yankees have done great by adding solid proven free agents?

    I guess the “homegrown talent” such as Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Bernie Williams and Jorge Posada didn’t work out. That only was the cornerstone of a dynasty.

    They spent over a billion dollars in salary, which includes free agents and trades, since 2001.

    Adding Jason Giambi, Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano, etc. Just a few of the non-homegrown players added to the roster. How did that work out?

    If you don’t think the Yankees built their teams with a foundation of homegrown talent, you don’t have any idea what you are talking about.

  28. Papelboner April 30th, 2008 at 8:19 am

    Hughes fastball at times last night was 86 according to the Yes Network Gun. Last Year he was at 91-95. Is this alarming?

  29. Rick April 30th, 2008 at 8:22 am

    The right to boo is part of baseball and it will remain part of it. Fans have the right to complain or to tell the team that they stink which is part of the booing process. No you are wrong, it is when fans throw things and get violent that is not a right. Letting out a boo is just part of the game. Boring people sit there with their hands folded and never make a noise.

  30. Papelboner April 30th, 2008 at 8:23 am

    Booing is fine, but what does it accomplish?

  31. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 8:25 am

    So, you think booing makes you less boring? How about supporting your own players? Every think of that?

  32. Papelboner April 30th, 2008 at 8:27 am

    It just adds more pressure in a pressure cooker. More weight on the shoulders. These guys want to succeed. If they are not working hard, thats a different issue. I see zero point in booing.

  33. sevrox April 30th, 2008 at 8:28 am

    In essence, Hawkins replaced Vizcaino. How’s Vizcaino doing? He went on the DL with an ERA of 27 after two appearances and 5 innings pitched. Maybe we can pay Shelley D to forearm bash Hawkins hard enough in his right shoulder to do irreparable damage…

    Hughes definitely needs to go down to AAA. No doubt. Case closed.

  34. Doreen April 30th, 2008 at 8:28 am

    As poor a start as Hughes and Kennedy have gotten off to, a few well-placed hits by the offense could have afforded a couple of wins for each of them. The offense shares the blame for this. I know I expected them to have a rough road of it; I expected them to be making mistakes, having to make adjustments — learning on the job. BUT I expected the offense to cover for them by scoring enough runs to allow them the luxury of working through the hard times. That hasn’t happened, and I seriously don’t blame Cashman for that. It was a calculated risk, and with a team that scored over 950 runs last season, one I would take every time. Now, Hughes has been a far cry from what was expected, but his first start of the season was very good and he would have won with even a little run support. Kennedy should also have at least one win. And frankly, I’ve seen more signs of Kennedy improving – he gets more confident as he gets into a game.

    I think Hughes has never experienced this level of frustration. He has never had to deal with hitters of this caliber and sending him to AAA won’t solve that part of it. He’ll get through it, but booing him is not going to help. We should be partners in his development.

    SJ44 and/or CB –

    If you’re reading this morning, I have a question for you. Until the last 2 days I hadn’t heard anything about Phil Hughes’ mechanics being changed. Was it? And when was it, if it was? Thanks.

  35. Betsy April 30th, 2008 at 8:28 am

    SJ44, great post – I completely agree. I’m glad I didn’t see Phil having the meltdown because that would have been tough for me to take. He’s never been through anything like this before – he’s always dominated. Phil must be sent down so that his confidence isn’t crushed; if it is, he may never get it back.

    Problem with the mechanical issues is that the Yankees don’t think he has any. They changed his natural deliver to this over-the-top one he’s using now (not that I know anything about mechanics) and it’s not working; Phil has diminished velocity and great diminished command. They had no business changing his natural delivery when it worked so well for him and I admit this – I have absolutely no faith that Nardi and co. are going to admit a mistake and let Phil go back to his old mechanics. All I know is they took a potential ace and completely messed with him – these are the people we are entrusting our future with?

  36. Papelboner April 30th, 2008 at 8:31 am

    If we are trying to win this year, Hughes needs to go down. If we are going to rebuild this year then keep him in the rotation.

  37. rb15 April 30th, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Doreen, I completely agree with you. I did not expect a sub-3.00 era for either Hughes or Kennedy this year. I didn’t even expect quality starts each time out. I would have been happy if one of the posted 4.00 and one of them posted 5.00 and they each tended to get through the sixth inning each time out. I also expected this to take some time.

    But what I did expect, as you said, was that the offense would be able to give Phil and Ian a cushion to work with. This offense is anemic right now. I know they’ll get healthy, get warmer and generally snap out of it, but it’s frustrating to see the offense leave the young pitchers hanging like that, and it’s frustrating to see the young pitchers pitching like they’re scared to make mistakes because they have no run support.

    But hey, that’s baseball. I still think they’ll get it done in the end. Just another slow April for the Yankees. What else is new, really? ;)

  38. randy l April 30th, 2008 at 8:38 am

    finishing april at .500 was an acceptable goal given the schedule, however the assumption was arod and posada being part of the lineup and hughes and kennedy getting their seas legs.

    it’s good to be calm in a crisis, but i don’t think cashman has any illusions that his head is the one on the chopping block. he bet his yankee job on not making the santana trade and keeping the kids.

    hank pretty much said that cashman better be right. besides bad decisions about arod and posada ,when an o-april by hughes and kennedy is added to the equation, i think cashman knows that hughes going to the minors is the least of his worries.

    what’s left of the team had better start winning.

  39. Doreen April 30th, 2008 at 8:39 am

    SJ44 -

    I didn’t read the prior posts before adding my prior comment regarding Hughes/Kennedy.

    I am surprised you’ve changed your mind about sending Hughes to AAA. Last week, in the rain-shortened game, Hughes was showing good form and good location. Last night was very different, I’ll agree, and he was obviously disappointed and slightly bewildered during his post-game interview last night. I guess there is a fine line – when does it become detrimental to allow him to work it out “where it counts” rather than where the game results are somewhat secondary. I still maintain that he’s not going to be pitching under the same strenuous conditions and I’m not sure how that helps him deal with major league hitters.

  40. Doreen April 30th, 2008 at 8:40 am

    rb15 -

    Maybe next year I’ll start watching on May 1st! :lol:

  41. Papelboner April 30th, 2008 at 8:41 am

    If you keep spotting the other team 6 runs within the first three innings every time the momentum is tough to get back. In essence your asking our offense to put up 10 in the first three. Momentum changes quickly but when your in a hole that deep its tough to try to fight out.

  42. jennifer April 30th, 2008 at 8:46 am

    Well it is obvious Phil and Ian haven’t been great. To me the even more glaring problem is our lack of hitting. We had many chances to win that game last night even with Phil’s poor start and couldn’t get it done. We are now have to huge holes in our lineup and others need to pick up the slack, Jeter, Bobby, Damon et al.

    Hopefully Ian got himself right (got himself into and out of major trouble his last start).

  43. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Doreen,

    His mound demeanor last night made me change my mind. Its also probably why the Yankees are mulling over whether or not to send him down.

    He melted down last night. That’s tough to see.

    Plus, it wasn’t Stewart’s problem with all the confusion last night. Hughes was having problems seeing in the lights. He has above average vision.

    That tells me its not his eyesight. Its his nerves.

    It happens. You evaluate guys from start to start and look for improvement. Last night, I saw a 21 year old, feeling all the pressure in the world, meltdown. That isn’t going to help his development.

    If you tivo’ed the game or watch the replay, look at his expression after he walked Granderson to start the game.

    He looked like he shot his dog. That was the first hitter of the game! His jaw was clenched so tight last night, I thought he was going to bite his tongue. That’s not good.

    It tells me he is really feeling the pressure. The Yankees have to take the pressure off him or he won’t develop properly.

    I don’t see how giving him another shot in the rotation is going to take the pressure off him.

    He needs to work on his secondary pitches and fastball location. You can’t do that in the majors. You can do that in AAA.

    At this point, with the offense injured and dormant, they are going to need more innings and more quality from their rotation because the runs are not going to be there. Unfortunately, at least right now, Hughes cannot provide that.

    Its why, IMO, he needs to go to AAA and refine his stuff.

    Its best for all concerned.

  44. rb15 April 30th, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Pap, six runs is a big hole. But this team scored an average of six runs a game last year. It’s not unconscious to ask them to do the same thing. Hughes and Kennedy have been disappointing, definitely. I’m not going to pretend like I know how to fix either of them. But I think it’s at least as disappointing that the lineup isn’t hitting. And it’s mental stuff, too, that’s keeping the bats down. How many times have hitters gone deep into counts? How many times have they sacrificed instead of swinging for the Bronx County Courthouse? The offense needs to button that stuff up, and start just being its own average again.

  45. Rick April 30th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    The players are paid to do a service and that is ultimately to win games. They are professional athletes and the New York Yankees. They are are not little leaguers and don’t deserve to be patted on the back for lousy performances. These players are paid big bucks to win games when they don’t the fans who are paying their salaries have every right to tell them they are not happy with their performance by booing.

  46. Vader April 30th, 2008 at 8:49 am

    SJ,

    Maybe you remember the year or how long he was in the majors, but if I remember a few years ago Roy “Doc” Halladay was sent all the way back to single A after being in the majors, then returning and staying for good.

    IMO something is really wrong with Phil, he does not seem to have the FB that was talked about in the minors and why does he not have a third pitch. It looks like every game is the same as his first game last year against Toronto. At the end of last year and in the playoffs he was spot on, that is why IMO something is wrong and it is not age.

  47. jason April 30th, 2008 at 8:50 am

    Pinstripesplus has a great interview up with George Kontos – a AA starter who is beginning to put things together. He had a few aweful starts at his new higher level and has now had three very good starts.
    Reason why this is important is what he said. In his first three games he had no confidence, gave the hitters at a higher level too much credit, a didn’t trust his secondary stuff. THIS SOUNDS FAMILIAR.
    Kontos has been improving every time out and had a mini-breakthrough when his confidence returned.
    Ian and Phil seem to be going through the exact same thing. They are at a higher level (although they each pitched some last year), clearly don’t trust their stuff, and are afraid of hitters – they lack confidence right now.
    I am no psychologist, nor baseball expert, but I would imaging the powers that be are looking into where best for these two players to find their confidence, or as Adam Sandler found his Happy Place. Both were too good and too dominant in the minors to go 0 for the season.

  48. jennifer April 30th, 2008 at 8:52 am

    I think some of Phil’s problem is the lack of a conistant catcher. Last night he was an absolute mess with Chris. It is a little unfair to ask anyone to have 4 different people catch you let alone a rookie.

  49. jason April 30th, 2008 at 8:52 am

    BTW Kontos is someone to watch.
    If he truly develops his secondary stuff (which has been his achilles heal in the past) he is a potential starter for the big club down the road. If he doesn’t than he is definately a bullpen guy that can help.

  50. Papelboner April 30th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    There needs to be some sort of common ground. Both the offense and our pitching needs to pick up the slack a little.

    I agree the offense is dismal thus far. They are leaving so many runners on base its disappointing. Guys aren’t even getting productive outs, they are just getting out.

    The hitters are not putting themselves in good hitters counts. Every time i look up Arod is in the hole 0-2. Hitting with 2 strikes is tough.

    Cano and Giambi need to find a way. I think cano will snap out. Giambi i have no idea.

    Who knows how it will work out in the end.

  51. Patrick April 30th, 2008 at 8:57 am

    randy – Those two injuries with Giambi from last year were completely different injuries. Remember, he tore the plantar fascia when he was rounding third base and his foot slipped off the bag.

    SJ – You make a lot of good points, I agree with you but I’d give Hughes one more start before sending him down to AAA. Last week he started that rain shortened game in very good fashion but obviously didn’t get to throw more than 2 innings. I’d give him one more chance to capture that in a full start.

    “Hughes fastball at times last night was 86 according to the Yes Network Gun. Last Year he was at 91-95. Is this alarming?”

    The YES gun is terrible, look at the gameday velocities. Last night he was anywhere from 90-94. Last week he was throwing consistently 94. I think a lot of it has to do with the weather, last night it was cold.

  52. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    Rick,

    Seriously, how old are you, 12?

    The players are paid to win games? They are paid to play professional baseball. Sometimes, that means you don’t play well and you don’t win the game.

    Do you think they are paid to go 162-0?

    I’ve got news for you, the fans don’t pay the players salaries. The team plays them.

    Take out all the ticket revenue from the Yankees and they still have enough money to pay the players.

    I could give you a lesson on baseball economics but its clear it would go over your head.

    You want to boo your own players, fine by me.

    Just don’t tell me its your “right” to do so. You have an option as to what to do and you chose the easiest avenue to express your frustration.

  53. DMan April 30th, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Phil has never had to deal with this kind of thing.

    In highschool and the minors, he was great. He almost never had to battle or deal with this kind of pressure.

    He needs to learn how to focus. You can see it on his face after a couple batters. The mental side of the game isn’t there yet for him.

  54. Jax April 30th, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Everyone is reading the YES gun including Kay and Leiter as if it’s accurate. They had Hughes throwing 88 mph fastballs. And Leiter saying his fastball is 88-91. Kind of annoying.

  55. jason April 30th, 2008 at 9:03 am

    SJ – Since you are on the board this morning, I don’t know if you subscribe to pinstripesplus but it is a great site. Lots of interviews with players and staff (Nardi, Rowson etc). That Kontos article I mentioned a couple of posts above will explain better in one paragraph what 5000 posts the last couple of days here are trying to do.
    Catchers, weather, offense, eyesite are all factors, but CONFIDENCE is everything. If you are shaky to begin with then these things will crush you.
    Hughes and Kennedy might need some refinement with mechanics and pitching at the moment but mostly they need some confidence to trust in themselves and their pitches, then command and wins will come.

  56. William Buckner April 30th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    “I would call up Dan McCutcheon to take his place. You can move Bruney to the 60 Day DL to place McCutcheon on the 40 man roster.

    McCutcheon is 25. He’s older than Hughes and Kennedy. He’s also throwing the ball as well as anybody (along with Rasner) in the system right now.”

    That is really smart, outside the box thinking. At over 7 era, changes have to be made. IPK and Hughes are harming the team and their growth.

    A demotion at this point isnt always a bad thing. Gives others a reward for performance and lights a fire under the young guys.

    I think NYY will be fine over the course of 162. My only problem right now remains the lineup changes. Stick with damon cab and abreau in of. Arod (or Ensberg) jete, robbie, and molina, platoon only big g and mr quad a. Too much uncertainty there so far. Last night there was no way molina shouldnt have caught given Hughes on mound and his # of rogers. And melk is one of our only rt bat left. Why was he on the bench?

  57. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    Vader,

    I believe it was ’03 or ’04 Halliday went down to A ball to get straightened out.

    Hughes and Kennedy aren’t the only young pitchers struggling.

    Andrew Miller is struggling big time in Florida. Johnny Cueto is struggling in Cincinnati.

    The difference is, Florida and Cincinnati aren’t NY. Those kids aren’t being told their busts by their fan base, and some members of the media, and they aren’t getting booed off the mound.

    Its tough enough to pitch well in the majors. Its even tougher when you are struggling and you are starting to feel the pressure.

    The key is to find a way to take the pressure of Hughes so his natural talents can take over.

    BTW, ignore the YES gun. Its never right. That kid was throwing 90-93 for most of the night. He just couldn’t locate.

    There is nothing wrong with his velocity. His issues are threefold:

    1. Location.
    2. Lack of confidence in his secondary pitches.
    3. Nerves.

    All fixable and all the usual things young pitchers deal with as they try to make it in the majors.

  58. Adam April 30th, 2008 at 9:06 am

    Pitching aside, why not have Alberto Gonzalez come replace the window shopper Morgan Ensberg at third base. Gonzalez couldn’t do much worse than Ensberg’s doing right now, plus this is a great opporunity for him to get some major league a bats while playing everyday.

    Maybe he can even be showcased for a future trade. What really is his future with the club anyway, considering that A-Rod or Jeter ain’t changing positions any time soon.

  59. TKinDC April 30th, 2008 at 9:06 am

    I don’t know if any of you had a chance to listen to Moose on the FAN the other day but I thought that his comments were pretty interesting.

    He went through his own performance (the Manny debacle), his reaction to Hank’s salvo and his recent success but he also talked through the struggles of IPK and Phil.

    I was surprised that he seemed to think that IPK was closer than Phil to figuring things out. He outlined a specific plan for IPK whereas with respect to Phil he essentially said that Phil had to pull his entire game together – which sounded as much mental/emotional as it did mechanical.

    As an aside – IMO, players own their own performance, but I would have hoped that Dave Eiland – who was brought up to the big club because of his great success developing 3 budding pros – could nurse the youngsters to better starts than this.

    One of the starters struggling is something we can work around and survive (see Jeff Weaver’s maddening stint) but 2 at the same time is a HUGE problem. We need one of these guys to pull it together and then let Rasner spell the other until his head clears.

  60. DMan April 30th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    I think a lot of us realize that, although Hughes’ mechanics might need some work, it’s the mental side of the game he needs to master…

    He’s just not there yet with his confidence and mentality, and I’m not convinced sending him to AAA will do it.

  61. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    I am going to put very little blame on our offense. The Yankees’ inability to hit with men on base is FAR less a problem then 2/5 of our starting rotation royally ruining each game. You have to send those two down, even if you have to bring up someone who is “projected” to be less of a starting pitcher. We need innings. Try Ohlendorf, try Rasner. Hell, even try Igawa. The kids aren’t getting it done.

    Quite frankly, I don’t care about “what’s best for Hughes.” This kid is not 12 and he is supposed to have a good makeup. He was going to cry when they interviewed him in the locker room yesterday. Completely lost.

    I’m not saying Ohlendorf, Rasner, and Igawa are permanent solutions but we need to plug the gap before Joba gets to the rotation. Because now, it’s just a matter of time before the JOBA JOBA JOBA chants come once every 5 games.

  62. Papelboner April 30th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    If you send him to AAA does it make him realize he can actually get big league hitters out? I don’t think so. I think the only way he will do that is to string together a couple good starts. If it is mechanical and he needs to work on pitchers then send him down. Otherwise how does it help?

  63. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    “Pitching aside, why not have Alberto Gonzalez come replace the window shopper Morgan Ensberg at third base.”

    I’ll agree with you there, Adam. And I do like Morgan Ensberg a lot. Alberto Gonzalez has really impressed me in the time he has been with the club. He’s got speed, is great defensively, hasn’t shown a lot of power early on but WE NEED SPEED. Reminds me a little bit of Melky. I like Alberto a lot.

  64. Vader April 30th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Thanks SJ,

    I would think being sent down to get himself straightened out would not be a bad thing at all. Hope it happens soon because every time out he seems to be losing more confidence.

    I am not making excuses, but last week in Chicago it seemed to me he was ready to put in a great performance and then the rain came. It always seems that he is pitching in crappy weather, the kid can’t catch a break.

  65. Papelboner April 30th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    He could have unraveled any inning. I can’t base anything on two innings of work. He has shown consistently that he cannot get it done right now.

  66. Ty April 30th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    I have no concerns about the Yankees. They will be just fine. By the middle of May I expect Cashman and Co. will have begun to trim the fat off this team. It takes time and patience to see what you have and Girardi has done a good job of giving everyone playing time irrespective of their impact on the game. Once all of the data is in, then Cashman can make changes for the better.

  67. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 9:17 am

    Jason,

    I don’t subscribe to Pinstripes Plus. I agree wholeheartedly with the premise in the Kontos story.

    Pitching is a lot about confidence. I’ll give you two examples. Joba Chamberlain and Greg Maddox.

    From the first day Joba showed up, he acted like he belonged. Not only in the clubhouse, but on the mound.

    He didn’t give into hitters. Didn’t show too much respect. He just did his thing.

    Now, for the uninitiated or the spoiled among the fan base, they may think that’s common. That’s FAR from common. Its about as rare as it comes in the game.

    The other end of the spectrum is Maddox. For the radar gun crowd, he’s throwing 82 MPH, pitching inside, and is breaking bats. He’s got 349 wins, is barely 5-10, and pitches with no fear. He’s been that way for years.

    Its a mindset and a belief system that get instilled in great pitchers over time.

    Very, very few have it at 21.

    Its why its too early to give up on Hughes. Its also why the Yankees have to be smart about this. Can’t just throw him into the deep end of the pool to learn how to swim.

    Sometimes, when you do that, all that happens is the student drowns.

  68. TKinDC April 30th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    “Quite frankly, I don’t care about “what’s best for Hughes.” This kid is not 12 and he is supposed to have a good makeup. He was going to cry when they interviewed him in the locker room yesterday. Completely lost.”

    Well that is an incredibly short-sighted position – You have the #1 prospect in baseball locked up contractually for years and a bad month is enough for you to pull the switch? Baseball isn’t day-trading. You have to have some patience if you are going to be successful.

    These days when Gil Meche and Ted Lilly are making 30 times what Phil is making you have to try to be rational.

  69. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    “If you send him to AAA does it make him realize he can actually get big league hitters out?”

    We want a pitcher (young or old) with brass balls. If he doesn’t realize then he can get big league hitters out then you certainly don’t leave him in the big leagues and force him to realize it. That’s like sticking a claustrophobic person in a closet and telling them to figure it out.

    Start him off in a dim lighting then work him into the closet.

  70. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    “These days when Gil Meche and Ted Lilly are making 30 times what Phil is making you have to try to be rational.”

    Lets be realistic here – the Yankees want to win. You can up a pitcher when he is ready and can contribute. This is not spring training. When has money been an issue? Since when does a player making 1/30 of someone else’s paycheck justify leaving him in when he just cant get it done?

    As noMaas said: “Both of these pitchers are ridiculously lost right now. Hughes now has an ERA of 9.00. In four out of his six starts, he hasn’t made it past the 4th inning. His acclaimed control is nowhere to be found. His K:BB is 1. That’s right, he’s walked 13 batters while striking out 13. He’s letting up lots of line drives. There is something clearly wrong here. Send him back to the minors and let him sort this out. He’s an extremely talented pitcher, but this isn’t getting fixed in the Bronx.”

  71. RJPinstripes April 30th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    I think the main thing on Hughes and Kennedy going down to AAA for a short time is to restore their confidence! They both lack confidence right now, and (I’m afraid) if we continue to run them out there, they will get worse. Nothing wrong with going down there to “find yourself”, it won’t be permanent (or for long) so, come on and do it so we can have young, confident, pitchers for the team.

  72. John April 30th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Phil Franchise? More like french fries and a coke.

    But seriously, folks. It’s April 30th, we’re two games out of first. Last year at this time we were 6 1/2 games out. And the year before, we were just three games over .500.

    Phil will right himself. Kennedy will continue to improve. If they don’t, there are other options. We need Andy tonight to play the role of the stopper once again. I wonder how many times we’re going to hear the stat about what Andy’s record is after a Yankee loss.

  73. TKinDC April 30th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    To have the phrases “let’s be realistic here” and “since when has money mattered” in the same paragraph is pretty good stuff. :)

    Look – I don’t think they are going to let the 2 young guns ruin the season if they can’t shoot straight. If you IPK and Phil keep stinking they are going to get sent down. But they are going to need to be developed before the year is out if we are going to have a prayer of making the playoffs.

    The crop of pitchers available for trade sucks. That is the reality.

  74. Brian (Red Sox Fan) April 30th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    A funny comment about young pitchers and “confidence.” Back in Dwight Gooden’s rookie season, a journeyman veteran pitcher was asked about young Gooden’s mound demeanor and confidence. His response (and I paraphrase), “If I had that kid’s fast ball and curve ball, I’d be plenty confident too.”

  75. Jimw April 30th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    You can stick a fork in Hughes. He will go down as another “good player that just couldn’t play in New York”. Here’s a big F you to all the so called fans at the stadium that booed him off the field. Did that make you feel cool. I’m so sick of the we are the Yankees, put a team out there that wins now, I pay good money. Are you guys gonna catch a little league game this weekend and boo the losing pitcher off the mound cause you payed good money for your damn hotdog. He’s a freakin’ kid he’s not Randy Johnson. You don’t boo a kid when he’s down like that. I bet he cried himself to sleep last night wishing he pitched for Min. I was freakin’ choked up watching him walk off the mound. Shame on you people.

  76. pat April 30th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    Cashman said last night they will probably bring up a pitcher to take A-Rod’s spot on the roster.

    Who will it be?

  77. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 9:44 am

    “Are you guys gonna catch a little league game this weekend and boo the losing pitcher off the mound cause you payed good money for your damn hotdog.”

    He is not a kid. He is younger than the people around him but there are tons of pitchers in the majors who are only 1-3 years older than him. Maybe you were over-exaggerating but lets not compare a major league pitcher to a little league kid who is playing for fun.

    Do you really think Yankee fans are booing Hughes because they paid good money for their hot dogs? They are booing him to get someones attention on the Yankees and tell them that this kid just isn’t fixing his problems in the majors. Send him down.

  78. Jimw April 30th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    I think the Yankees can handle moves. I don’t think the fans booing their favorite team make the Yankees say “ohh they are booing we need to send him down.”

  79. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Jim – I didn’t say the Yankees needed help making decisions. I was suggesting that the fans were booing Hughes to let the team know how they felt. There is nothing wrong with expressing displeasure toward what we are seeing in Hughes.

    Knick fans expressed displeasure toward Isiah and, I believe, even had a petition to get him out of town. My point: fans aren’t going to sit in silence or cheer when they see something that needs to be fixed not being fixed.

    Whether or not they grab the Yankees’ attention, at least they know how we feel. As an organization, when your team is playing well you make more money. When your fans are booing and attendance starts to drop because they don’t want to watch Hughes get bombed again then they will notice.

  80. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 30th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    After all we’ve been through…standing at 15-14 entering play on May 1st is not that bad. We do need to have IPK and Phil on a short leash though….

  81. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Don – it is a miracle we have that standing with all our injuries and poor starting performances. A lot of credit goes to Wang for keeping this team afloat and to the bullpen for being (relatively) lights out.

  82. Fran April 30th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    I think that right now Hughes and Keneedy need to go back to AAA for a bit and get their confidence back and work on commanding their pitches.

    I think back to when Melky made his debut in Boston and probably played the worst CF seen in a long time. He was sent back down to continue working and developing. He wasn’t ready for the major leagues at that time. Now Melky has developed into a good CF.

    I know that it’s a different position, but maybe the same circumstances – Kennedy and Hughes were rushed in too fast and the expectations placed on them too much.

    I do think that both will be good major league pitchers, but I think they need to go down to AAA before they are “totally destroyed”.

  83. Adam April 30th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    I still love the concept of a youth movement, but to think that any unproven talent was not worth giving up for Santana was a real blunder.

    I wanted Hughes to succeed just as much as anyone (and believe he still may), but to think we coveted him or any other prospect over a pitcher at the calibur of Johan Santana was a mistake.

    I know hindsight is always 20/20, but that still doesn’t mean that passing on Santana was the correct move at the time. We all love the concept of building talent, but you can’t force it.

    Sanatana made sense for this club (this is the Yankees after all, not the Marlins), and you all know it.

  84. Patrick April 30th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    “Do you really think Yankee fans are booing Hughes because they paid good money for their hot dogs? They are booing him to get someones attention on the Yankees and tell them that this kid just isn’t fixing his problems in the majors. Send him down.”

    They were booing him because they were frustrated and angry, not becuase they were trying to send a message. Fans are emotional, it’s not like they all had this calculated thought “oh if we boo him right now Cashman will get the message and send him down”.

  85. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    As my friend said after I asked him if he went to the game yesterday:

    “YEAH,
    Left early, it was cold and Hughes stunk up the joint.”

    Hughes and Kennedy may be stinking but I still don’t think they should have gone for Santana. Everyone please remember how much Santana would have cost after luxury tax. And then think about next year:

    Over 40 million dollars off the books at the end of this season, the Twins also wanted Melky who we LOVE right now, CC Sabathia is available and will cost ZERO players. We will get Sabathia at less the cost than Santana and will have money for Teixiera. Hughes and Kennedy will develop and will be fine.

    But having them in the majors right now is NOT working.

  86. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Patrick – whether fans intend to or not, they rarely just scream because they are angry. They want their team to win, they feel involved, and they feel that the louder they get the more attention they get.

    Stick a single booing fan in an empty ballpark with Hughes sucking it up and he won’t be screaming like a madman.

  87. Jimw April 30th, 2008 at 10:15 am

    I can understand booing a Randy Johnson, someone that is proven but you just don’t boo a young prospect who is struggling. You can’t do that. The kid may never recover. By the way, what were the fans message in the summer of 06′ when they spent the entire summer booing Arod? Did they want something fixed? Imagine this team last year without him.

  88. Adam April 30th, 2008 at 10:15 am

    Let’s be honest with ourselves as Yankees fans Russell – MONEY IS NOT AN ISSUE.

  89. DMan April 30th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    I truly don’t understand why some people really think this is all we’re going to see from Hughes for the rest of his career. I even see some people calling his career over. Talk about panic…

    Hes a 21 year old kid… He’s going to continue to develop and he’s going to be a stud pitcher. People need to let him come into his own as a major league pitcher and as an adult.

    He’s awfull right now, but that won’t last. He’s to talented. He’ll learn.

  90. Francis The Praying Mantis April 30th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    being that Phil is so young, do you think the yankees should go roy halladay on him and send him to A ball and let him work his way back instead of sendng him to AAA?

  91. Doreen April 30th, 2008 at 10:24 am

    Both Hughes and Kennedy had some success last year in a very tight pennant race. I agree with Al Leiter, though, that the circumstances under which they pitched last year were not the same – this year they are actually depended upon to do a good job; last year it was a pleasant surprise (even Hughes, because he was brought up a full year before they wanted to originally).

    However, Singleton and Lorenz were talking post-game about perhaps exposing specifically Phil Hughes to some game tapes where he pitched well – his last three starts last season, the almost no-hitter, and the post-season game, to see what he was doing that was correct. I think it would be a better approach, right now, than watching tapes of what he’s done wrong. There needs to be a reminder, a “click” for him, that he was able to do this – that he IS able to do this and has done it, and it was not a fluke. Yes, he also has to correct what’s going wrong, but sometimes if you approach something from a positive rather than a negative, the result could be better.

    Melky had never played in the majors at all before his initial call-up and was clearly out of his element. IPK and Hughes are not completely out of their element, but they are a bit gun-shy. If I recall correctly, each of them had to make adjustments at each level of the minor leagues – starting out slow, but then picking it up. They have done this before, they can do it again. Certainly Kennedy, though he starts his games slowly, the last couple of times seems to have realized he can do this.

    If after discussion, the Yankees decide they are all better served by putting either or both of these guys in AAA to work things out, then so be it. However, I would caution everyone not to automatically think that Rasner and/or Igawa are going to do a whole lot better. And Singleton warned last night about yo-yo-ing these guys up and down should Rasner and Igawa fail terribly – that would do more harm than good.

  92. Patrick April 30th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    “Patrick – whether fans intend to or not, they rarely just scream because they are angry. They want their team to win, they feel involved, and they feel that the louder they get the more attention they get.”

    Yeah so the Mets fans were booing Santana this season because they wanted Mets management to get rid of him?

    It’s just frustration because the team is losing and whoever is getting booed is the target of that frustration.

  93. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    “I can understand booing a Randy Johnson, someone that is proven but you just don’t boo a young prospect who is struggling. You can’t do that. The kid may never recover.”

    People react differently to booing. A-Rod got booed then came out and dominated. If you are going to “never recover” after getting booed at a baseball game then you don’t belong in the majors. It happens, and it is not the intention of fans to destroy his ego. It is their intention to light a fire in him and if that doesn’t work then go find yourself in the majors. This isn’t little league, if you can’t get out of the 3rd-4th innings on more than half your starts then you are out of your league.

  94. Jeff NJ April 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    Yeah it’s time to pull the plug on Hughes for now. I personally think he could succeed in Joba’s role in a job switch rather than demotion to AAA, but I don’t know which move is more psychologically damaging.

    The one downside with transitioning Joba is that for the 3-4 weeks he is getting ready, the pitchers on the bubble may press trying to their spot if their is not an injury opening.

    As for IPK, I think he deserves another month, I think he’s onto something.

  95. Patrick April 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    “being that Phil is so young, do you think the yankees should go roy halladay on him and send him to A ball and let him work his way back instead of sendng him to AAA?”

    That would serve no purpose IMO.

    Go look at Hughes’ minor league stats. His career in the minors is one of the best ever for a pitcher.

  96. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    “Yeah so the Mets fans were booing Santana this season because they wanted Mets management to get rid of him?”

    First, half the Mets fans at those games are booing and they have no idea what is going on.

    Second, they boo Santana because they don’t want him to give up any more homeruns. There is a difference between finding yourself and supposedly already having found yourself.

  97. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    “being that Phil is so young, do you think the yankees should go roy halladay on him and send him to A ball and let him work his way back instead of sendng him to AAA?”

    Nope, you send him to AAA. Sending him to A ball insults him and you don’t want that. Sending him to AAA sends him a message.

  98. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    “Yeah it’s time to pull the plug on Hughes for now. I personally think he could succeed in Joba’s role in a job switch rather than demotion to AAA, but I don’t know which move is more psychologically damaging.”

    As most people say – relievers are failed starters. Hughes has too many (projecting) plus pitches to be a reliever. No matter how much he fails as a starter, I don’t see ever making him into a reliever.

  99. Doreen April 30th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Jeff NJ -

    I would just wonder if putting Phil Hughes in a set-up role would be putting even more pressure on him than there is now. And if his problem is not being able to locate his fastball, he’s not going to be effective no matter where he pitches.

    The key for the Yankees if they decide to move him to AAA is to go to great pains to make sure Phil Hughes understands this is NOT A DEMOTION. It is an opportunity to re-charge, re-start, re-group in a less pressurized situation – where all he has to consider is his performance, and not whether he is hurting the team by learning on the job. And they need to point out to him the examples of excellent pitchers like Halliday also needing a “time out” so to speak and how beneficial it was to him.

    They’ve committed to him and to Kennedy, and that commitment has to be stronger than that of the fickle fans who want instant gratification. If you say in the off-season that you understand there are going to be growing pains, but you’re willing to work through it, then you have to stick with that. And hope your offense will start to pick up the slack.

    One of the things both of them need to learn is how to start a game off strong. Even a team with an offense that’s clicking doesn’t need to be behind the eight-ball before they’ve even come up to bat.

  100. Doreen April 30th, 2008 at 10:36 am

    Russell NY

    What “message” would that be? Get straightened out or else? I don’t think they send him down to send a message. He’s not a slacker.

  101. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 10:36 am

    “And they need to point out to him the examples of excellent pitchers like Halliday also needing a “time out” so to speak and how beneficial it was to him.”

    Halladay is going to need a psychologist after his last few starts. I haven’t seen a pitcher get as mad as he did last night in a long time.

  102. al arodien April 30th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    How about making a switch Joba should start and phil should go in the bullpen! As we saw phil could be a great reliever (last year in the playoffs) and everybody knows that joba as a starter is the real thing!

  103. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Doreen – the message doesn’t necessarily have to be a negative one. The message could be something like “you are out of your element and need to find it again”

  104. Doreen April 30th, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Russell NY -

    Maybe it’s the “mother” in me, but I think you need to be careful about exactly what they say. Telling him he’s out of his element is negative. Telling him he’s lost his focus is a lot more constructive without telling him, in so many words, that he doesn’t belong in the majors, especially after making it more than clear that they believed he did.

    I feel very badly for Halliday. He was fuming yesterday, but, bottom line, he did put the runners on himself. I think they said he’s pitched 4 complete games with only 1 victory. I mean, the guy’s doing his job – but no help.

  105. SteveNYG April 30th, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Leavie Freddie Sez alone. That guy is more of a fan then alot of the people who jumped on the wagon with the Yankees recent success.

    I remember going to a game in the 80′s against the Twins. My father got tickets that happened to be right by him and he let me bang the pan numerous times. He is a Yankee Stadium staple.

    Besides, who really cares what Suzyn Waldman is saying anyway?

  106. mel April 30th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Wow. Did someone die?

    Let’s lighten it up a little.

    Ever wonder what a cow in a Red Sox jersey would look like?

    http://www.sexysoxgirls.com/index.php

    Guys: Test your Yankee fanhood.

    Doreen: As far as I could see (didn’t make it past the 3rd page), Miley Cyrus is not a Sexy Sox fan. (You’re such a prude!) :)

  107. Francis The Praying Mantis April 30th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    Roy Halladay is the best right handed pitcher in baseball…and sending him down to A ball made him what he is.

  108. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 30th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Really quickly because I’m running late for this lunch thing I have to go to:

    I think after what Joba did last year and is continuing to do this year, everyone automatically expects Phil and Ian to do the same, and not only that, but they expect the other prospects to be Phil and Ian as well.

    That Phil and Ian are struggling does not make them busts; it makes them somewhat more human (though if you can throw a fastball at 90 mph, you are by definition not human!).

    All of this does, if anything, is emphasize how rare and amazing Joba is.

    Also, for all the panickers, I suggest you look at the following

    John Smoltz rookie stats
    Greg Maddox rookie stats
    Johan Santana rookie stats
    Fausto Carmona rookie stats

    I am positive there’s more where that came from, but as I said, I’m running late.

  109. Patrick April 30th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    “First, half the Mets fans at those games are booing and they have no idea what is going on.”

    Fair enough.

    “Halladay is going to need a psychologist after his last few starts. I haven’t seen a pitcher get as mad as he did last night in a long time.”

    Can’t blame him though, he’s thrown 4 complete games in a row and taken the loss for 3 of them.

    He’s really incredible, already at 50 IP and we aren’t even done with April. Thats a quarter of the innings most starters throw and he’s done it in one month. At this rate he could get up to 250 IP or even more (although I doubt he will).

    3.26 ERA, 31:7 K:BB, 88-28 ground out-fly out and only a 2-4 record.

  110. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    Doreen – I didn’t mean they should give him a verbal message. Sending a players back to the minors sends a signal that is interpreted by the pitcher/player. So if the Yanks demote him without saying anything, it leaves it up to the pitcher to figure out why he was demoted (aside from the obvious – not pitching well). That is a lot more constructive then outright telling him he is out of his element. But if he happens to figure out for himself that he was slipping out of his element, then that IS constructive.

  111. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    “3.26 ERA, 31:7 K:BB, 88-28 ground out-fly out and only a 2-4 record.”

    Meanwhile, Wang has been just as dominant and doesn’t yet have a loss :)

  112. raymagnetic â„¢ April 30th, 2008 at 10:56 am

    “I still love the concept of a youth movement, but to think that any unproven talent was not worth giving up for Santana was a real blunder.

    I wanted Hughes to succeed just as much as anyone (and believe he still may), but to think we coveted him or any other prospect over a pitcher at the calibur of Johan Santana was a mistake.”

    Can we wait longer than 1 month before we declare the deal not made a mistake? Is that too much to ask for?

    Secondly the deal or no deal is over and done with, look back but march forward.

  113. Christine April 30th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    It could always be worse. Let’s just be patient and let everyone heal and hopefully the Yankees can stay above water (or .500). We should be used to these setbacks by now – let’s just hope the postseason results are better.

  114. randy l April 30th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    “Those two injuries with Giambi from last year were completely different injuries. Remember, he tore the plantar fascia when he was rounding third base and his foot slipped off the bag.” -patrick

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=2888734

    “He originally was diagnosed with a bone spur and switched to shoes with orthotics that he said relieved the pain. Giambi then hurt the foot more severely when he homered in the seventh inning Tuesday night.

    “Rounding the bases he felt a pop,” Cashman said. “There wasn’t a tear before. Now there is.”

    Giambi traveled to New York on Thursday’s day off, intending to get a cortisone shot, but Hamilton said Giambi had plantar fasciitis, inflamed tissue that causes pain near the heel, and a partially torn plantar fascia, connective tissue between the heel and that base of the toes that supports the arch of the foot.”

    completely different injuries? i wouldn’t be thinking about medical school if i were you .

    “then hurt the foot more severely” is the operative phrase.

    …kind of like posada then hurt the shoulder more severely.

    ….kind of like arod then hurt the quad more severely.

    as i said yesterday, it’s not the end of the yankee year. the players will play themselves into shape. arod will be back at third base,and posada will be back behind the plate.

    but don’t tell me that cashman makes good decisions about conditioning injuries. he doesn’t. he does other things well like scrambling well when the yankees are in trouble and his job is in jeopardy.

    i’m guessing that skill will be in high gear this month and especially in the next few weeks .

  115. Mister Moe April 30th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    I do think they should send hughes down to AA or AAA and bring up Rasner, so far rasner pitched better than hughes when he was up the last 2 years he just got injured last year and he doesn’t have anything to prove in the minors nomore, hughes should work on his changeup and start throwing it more during the game you can’t just throw fastball curvball again and again and again. Please god just let igawa be the ace of the AAA staff and DO NOT bring him up here.

    And the yankees should release the Giambino or at least rest him on the bench the entire season, this guy can’t catch up on a 85 MPH fastball in the zone what a bust.

  116. Doreen April 30th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Russell NY -

    When you say, “slipping out of his element,” do you mean forgetting what he’s capable of doing and has been capable of doing in the past? If so, that is different than what I thought you meant. I thought you meant he was in over his head, which I don’t think he is. I think, if anything, he’s not being able to put the individual failures behind him and approach each start anew.

    Or, it could also mean, he’s used to warmer weather! :lol:

  117. Patrick April 30th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Meanwhile, Wang has been just as dominant and doesn’t yet have a loss

    Wang has been amazing but not as good as halladay.

    Halladay: 49.2 IP, 3.26 ERA, 31:7 K:BB, 88-28 GO-AO

    Wang: 39 IP, 3.23 ERA, 27:11 K:BB, 50:38 GO-AO

    Wang’s ERA and record are better but his peripherals and IP are worse. Both are pitching great but I think Halladay has been a bit more dominant.

  118. raymagnetic â„¢ April 30th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    “Roy Halladay is the best right handed pitcher in baseball…and sending him down to A ball made him what he is.”

    Really? That’s what made him what he is? I thought it was the fact that he has good stuff.

  119. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    In just my opinion, I said Hughes was in his element more meaning that he is not in the ZONE rather than being over his head. Right now, he looks out of his league because he is not in the ZONE. I know when I play baseball, I need to be locked in and have that Andy-Pettitte type confidence. What he really needs right now is to dominate to the point where he wants to take the next step. Right now, I don’t think he’s sure that he is ready to take that next step.

  120. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    “Roy Halladay is the best right handed pitcher in baseball…and sending him down to A ball made him what he is.”

    Lets send Eric Duncan down to A Ball.

  121. Patrick April 30th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    “There wasn’t a tear before. Now there is.”

    Thanks for proving my point for me.

    “…kind of like posada then hurt the shoulder more severely.”

    False, it’s the same injury as before. The tear isn’t any worse than it was initially.

    “….kind of like arod then hurt the quad more severely.”

    This might be true but it’s on A-rod for trying to play through it.

    It’s Cashman’s responsibility to decide when to DL someone but he only knows as much as his medical staff and players tell him.

  122. CB April 30th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Both Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy were better pitchers in the major leagues last year than they have been this year. And both were pitching in high pressure situations last year – they were making key starts down the stretch of a pennant drive.

    Why is that?

    IMO they’ve had an entire off season to listen to and to think about how the entire yankee season depends on them. On how the team didn’t trade for Johan Santana because of them.

    This isn’t an excuse – it’s just part of playing in NY while you’re a young pitcher. Now many people have and will continue to write both players off as players who “can’t handle NY” or some other such nonsense.

    Both right now are over thinking what they’re doing and not trusting their talent to get hitters out.

    Neither one of them has suddenly lost the talent they had that enabled them to get major league hitters last year. Yes those were “small sample sizes” but that’s besides the point – both showed they had the ability to get hitters out with the stuff they had. They were not over matched.

    At his worst last year as he was trying to recover from the leg injuries – he never looked as bad as he did last night.

    So again – the ability is there. Last year Phil as a 20 year old threw 73 innings of league average baseball (ERA of 4.46) with a WHIP of 1.28. If he was just doing that his year – and not even improving – that would be fine. Kennedy was even better in his three starts. And while Kennedy only threw 3 starts he did throw 19 innings. Joba last year threw 24.

    I’m not convinced it’s time to send Hughes down. I think that really depends on what his confidence is like right now. And by that I mean – is his confidence shot. If it is – then they should send him down. If it isn’t then they should keep him in the majors. But only they are going to have a sense of that. Phil’s demeanor on the mound last night was not good but I don’t know how much that’s lingering with him. Girardi and Eiland will have a sense of that.

    I’m not worried about this season. Concerned yes. But not worried. No team is running away with the division. The Blue Jays should be given how good their pitching has been – but they can’t hit at all. The sox have pitching issues of their own.

    As long as Hughes and Kennedy haven’t aren’t completely losing their confidence and the division isn’t slipping away I’d give them a few more starts. But again their confidence is difficult to know from the outside.

  123. Francis The Praying Mantis April 30th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    ray, I guess youre uniformed..allow me to enlighten you…roy hallady was sent down and completely changed the type of pitcher he was. He became a sinker baller and changed his arm angle. Lots of pitchers have great stuff and suck, Roy went down, worked on some things and changed the type of pitcher he was and became the best pitcher in baseball.

  124. pat April 30th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Wow!

    “A-Rod got booed then came out and dominated.”
    Did he? A-Rod didn’t dominate the year he was booed. It took the off season for him to regroup and recover from the booing in order to get it together. Booing puts more pressure on a player and the last thing most struggling players need is more pressure.

    “… it is not the intention of fans to destroy his ego. It is their intention to light a fire in him”

    How often have you seen that happen? We have seen more players shrink under the pressure than thrive. Or worse shrink here and thrive elsewhere when they were run out town. Ever hear the saying , The path to hell is paved with good intentions and littered with faulty analysis. Seems to apply here.

    “First, half the Mets fans at those games are booing and they have no idea what is going on.”

    Ah I see, Met fans boo out of ignorance and Yankee fans boo out of intelligence. Thanks for clearing that up.

  125. raymagnetic â„¢ April 30th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    “but don’t tell me that cashman makes good decisions about conditioning injuries. he doesn’t. he does other things well like scrambling well when the yankees are in trouble and his job is in jeopardy.”

    So if the team physician says the player is ready, and the player himself believes he is ready, then what?

    I’m pretty sure that Cashman doesn’t have a medical degree and can only go by what his medical staff tells him.

    Seems like it worked out fine listening to his doctors with Jeter, Molina, Farnsworth, and Joba, no?

  126. Rich April 30th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    I don’t know if anyone posted it, but according to MLBTradeRumors.com, the Mets are interested in Chad Moeller.

    http://xrl.in/462

  127. Jeff NJ April 30th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    This has nothing to do with Santana. The Twins wanted Hughes, Melky and a top prospect and the Yankees would have had to sign Johan to 7 years $120M. No thanks, the Yankees have enough of the top paid players.

    Change of subject, a few weeks ago SJ44 suggested the Yankees just have to survive April. So they’ll be a game above or below .500 after tonight and the division is close, they survived. There is no real break in the schedule for the next 18 games. Then the Yankees are done for the year with two of the projected best teams in the AL, Det and Cle. The rest of the year starting with the interleague schedule is really winnable. So really I would extend surviving April to surviving until May 18th. Then the Yankees will really put it together.

  128. Joe from Long Island April 30th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    CB -I want to thank you for the most intelligent post of the morning so far.

    I wish I was as eloquent on the keyboard as some of the people here, but I am not.

  129. Doreen April 30th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    Randy l -

    It seems to me that what the Yankees do is let the player take the lead in assessing his own injury, or at least his ability to play through an injury. I’m not sure that most teams don’t do the very same thing. I’ve heard so much that no player is ever at 100% really, so they’re all used to playing through something. We all have a different tolerance for pain and discomfort, too. If a player says, hey, I’ve played through much worse, what are they really going to do? With Posada, they did send him for an MRI the first time. Based on the review by the doctors, and by watching Posada throw, and from Posada’s assertion that he was ready to go, they let him go. What else could they really have done?

    It also seems to me that on re-aggravation of an injury the Yankees get more pro-active. It’s like the players are allowed one recurrence, but only one, and then they’ll sideline them.

    Giambi’s injury last year was not a usual one, and you know I did do the research, and I agree with you that it was not treated properly the first time. But players get muscle “strains” or “tears” or “tweaks” or whatever all the time and it seems to me there’s really no other way to deal with it but on a case-by-case, player-to-player basis.

    Unless they adopt a sort of policy whereby any player who feels badly enough to come out of a game has to sit a minimum number of games after he says he feels better, but players will still fudge or lie about how they feel in order to get in there sooner.

    Or, they could order up MRIs for every little tweak. Which I suppose they can afford to do. And then set a standard amount of gametime missed depending on the MRI result.

    I just don’t see how the Yankees mishandle injuries any worse than any other team. Which is not to say they all couldn’t try to do a better job.

  130. raymagnetic â„¢ April 30th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    “roy hallady was sent down and completely changed the type of pitcher he was. He became a sinker baller and changed his arm angle.”

    I may be uninformed but you do realize that there is a big difference in saying “Roy Halladay was sent down to A ball and became the best right hander” than what you said just now right?

    And as I said earlier, Roy Halladay has good stuff and that’s what made him who he is.

    To me there’s no such thing as a pitcher having good stuff but can’t command it. Part of having good stuff is commanding it as well.

  131. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    “A-Rod didn’t dominate the year he was booed.”

    A-Rod always dominates. Fans had a right to boo him for his poor performance. We don’t expect him to come out the next day and belt 4 homers.

    “We have seen more players shrink under the pressure than thrive.”

    We don’t want players who shrink under pressure. He is going to face it sooner or later and will have to deal with it at one point anyway. Don’t shrink.

    “Ah I see, Met fans boo out of ignorance and Yankee fans boo out of intelligence. Thanks for clearing that up.”

    … yes.

  132. Francis The Praying Mantis April 30th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    ray..youre a jackass…you know damn well what I meant…you just wanted to nit pick and start an arguement..youre a tight ass. please dont repsnd to anything I ever post.

  133. Doreen April 30th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Russell NY -

    Thanks for clearing up what you meant. I can understand what you’re saying now.

    CB -

    That’s a good point you made about the two of them not just pitching, but thinking about every single pitch. And I agree you cannot judge Phil’s demeanor immediately after a lost game.

  134. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    “ray..youre a jackass…you know damn well what I meant”

    You’re not the only one being nit-picked… in all fairness, if you feel like someone is out to get you then just don’t respond and try to brush it aside. Lots of constructive commenting in here and confrontation is almost unavoidable.

  135. raymagnetic â„¢ April 30th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    “ray..youre a jackass…you know damn well what I meant…you just wanted to nit pick and start an arguement”

    No, actually I didn’t know what you meant by your statement. I’m not a mind reader.

  136. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    “That’s a good point you made about the two of them not just pitching, but thinking about every single pitch.”

    Which is kind of like what I am getting at… when you are in the zone, you don’t over-analyze. You don’t think about each pitch, you just go out there and pitch. Hard to put into words what mentally drives a dominant pitcher. Just as hard to figure it out :)

  137. Doreen April 30th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    CB -

    Also a good point you made about all the peripheral “stuff” they’ve had to assimilate. All the featured interviews both in print and on television; all the fuss about what they should be called (Three Amigos, etc.). It’s heady stuff and it’s like they already had a reputation to live up to. It would have been so much easier for both of them to have been unhyped. But it’s NY.

  138. boyzclub April 30th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    to SJ44 who thinks he’s baseball encyclopedia brown,

    Wasn’t it YOU who insisted that AAA is not the place for Hughes? That he can learn and adjust in the majors?

    I love how you like to call every fan “bandwagoners” “chicken littles”. Why don’t you let people state their opinions and NOT tell people what to think.

    Right now you are just regurgitating what some posters here have said a couple of starts ago. Learn to respect others opinions instead of blowing all your SMOKE.

  139. myrtlebeachfan April 30th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Hughes needs to be send down because he’s losing so much confidence. I’ve been saying it for weeks, much to the chagrin of other posters.

    He’s our ace of the future and he needs to get back to what he was doing in the minor leagues. I suggest AAA but AA wouldn’t be too bad of an idea either.

    Sure, rookie pitchers should struggle, but not this much. Kennedy should be sent down, too, and we need to start dealing for a veteran pitcher who can give us some innings. Someone good but not great, hopefully old with a short contract.

    Or someone like a Derek Lowe.

    We just need to get innings and we can’t do it when we’re giving up six runs in 4 IP.

    I’m willing to give up some talent, and I don’t think I’m alone in that. Both Kennedy and Hughes may not work out, so why not go for another pitcher this year (all star break-ish) and give up Kennedy when his stock is higher.

  140. ItalianGreco April 30th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    I’ll say this. If Phil does get sent down, Pete better break the story. I don’t want to read about on NESPN.

  141. Fredo Corleone April 30th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    “Wasn’t it YOU who insisted that AAA is not the place for Hughes? That he can learn and adjust in the majors?”

    Don’t need to speak up for SJ, but I believe he made an ealrier post explaining why he changed his mind about Hughes going back to AAA. Specifically, it was some noticeable aspects in his demeanor last night.

  142. gayle April 30th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    This is totally off topic but I missed most of the game last night but I heard that Doc Gooden was in attendance is this true, did they say what he was doing there? Last I heard no one had been able to teack him down so I hope this is a good sign for h im.Interesting that he was there same time as Sheff

  143. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Myrtle – “Both Kennedy and Hughes may not work out, so why not go for another pitcher this year (all star break-ish) and give up Kennedy when his stock is higher.”

    Because that is exactly what the team has done these past 7 years. The Yankee organization breaches patience but there is a difference between patience in the majors and patience in development. You put your best chance of winning on the field, you put your best prospects in ideal situations. Major league bombings are not ideal and are no way for a pitcher to find themselves.

  144. Yazman April 30th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    “fans …have every right to tell them they are not happy with their performance by booing.”

    Hope you don’t have employees — or children.

    Boo guys who don’t try their best to help the team.

    Want to send a message? Post your ideas for improving the situation here. Smart ideas will be seen by the Yankees.

    Then again, booing is a lot easier than having a helpful idea.

  145. Francis The Praying Mantis April 30th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Matt Morris is available….not sure if I would want him though…what the hell happened to him? I used to think he was one of the best pitchers in the league…what a shame.

  146. CB April 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    I think Phil’s next start comes against Seattle.

    That is a very week hitting team. They are 7th in the AL in terms of batting average. They are 9th in terms of OPS.

    And they were not a good offensive team last year either so it’s not as if they are simply off to a cold start.

    If Phil’s confidence is not shot right now I’d give him that start.

    The team needed to be .500 at the end of the month – they are exactly there.

    That’s fine. They are going to get over these injuries.

    There’s been a number of good signs around the league that give the Yankees some lee way now to get the younger players some experience and see if they can get through their difficulties.

    The wild card race may not be nearly as competitive as people were thinking before the season because many of the teams appear to have major fundamental flaws.

    Toronto just cannot hit and that’s not something that’s going to change unless they make a trade.

    The red sox bull pen if very thing and their starters aren’t giving them many innings. The starters could go deeper into games but there’s not a lot of evidence to support that. And the bull pen isn’t going to get substantially better unless they make a trade or decide to commit justin masterson to the pen.

    The Tigers have no pitching at all. None. The talent deficit they have in terms of pitching is almost impossible to make up in season.

    Seattle is just not very good and can’t hit. Eric Bedard is having trouble with that hip.

    All these things together are the context the yankees are competing against.

    Look at it this way – if they do stick with Kennedy and Hughes and they can turn it around – and by turn it around all I mean is throw league average innings. They this team will be in very good shape over the course of the long season.

    This is a team that is going to get better and better as the season progresses. That’s why the slow starts/ problems the other AL teams are having are so important. They aren’t going to improve as much as the yankees will.

    Where will the improvements come from?

    1. Return of injured players, especially ARod (his recent lack of production was clearly related to his leg injury).

    2. The team will start hitting

    3. The younger players will gain experience.

    4. They will be able to turn to internal options to fix problems with the pitching. This is going to be their biggest relative advantage over the other teams. Look at how well Albaladejo has done once he got a chance. They have talent in reserve that no other team is going to be able to match, IMO.

    They have to get through this first part of the season. So far it’s been fine.

    This team is going to get progressively better as the season progresses.

  147. Fredo Corleone April 30th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    On this booing thing, my feeling is that the fans reward players with cheers anc curtain calls when they do well and boo them when they play poorly.

    Notice I didn’t say boo them when they fail. Big difference between failing and playing poorly. I wasn’t there last night, so I don’t know who was being booed. If I were there, Cano would have gotten them from me for his brutal last at bat. Again not because he failed, but because it was a putrid, bordering on unprofessional, at bat. Nobody’s booing if Cano smacks a line drive to the gap and is robbed by Granderson. Technically he failed, but you can’t argue with his effort. But three weak swings, including a miss of an eye high fastball was brutal.

    Remember folks, this booing thing isn’t a chicken & egg thing. We know what comes first. Players don’t play badly becuase they are booed. They are booed because they play badly.

  148. Pinstripes April 30th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    I would really like to see Ohlendorf get a start soon. He has been extremely impressive in his long relief appearances. It doesn’t make sense to keep him in the long relief roll where he’ll never really get the opportunity to help the team win, it’s a waste of talent. Theres plenty of people we can move into the mop up roll.

  149. William Buckner April 30th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Generation Tre almost as good as Generation K.

    Its hard to watch young pitchers struggle. Both IPK and Phil have the make up and the phys tools. They’ll figure it out. Be it in NY or WB/Scr. Before seasons end both will be in the rotation.

    And posada and arod will be in the lineup.

    I was thinking today about the Mets Yankees game I went to last June. Tyler Clippard started. No need to walk to the ledge, this stuff will work itself out.

  150. Patrick April 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Great post CB. I think Hughes is a resilient kid, I’d give him a shot against Seattle and as long as there is improvement I’d stick with him.

    I just don’t understand the panic this season. Compared to last year the team is sitting pretty.

    I think A-rod and Jorge will miss at least a month. A-rod has a pretty significant muscle tear that will take time to heal and rehab. Jorge’s muscle tear isn’t as big but it’s in a critical spot for a catcher. If they are with the Yankees on June 1 I would be happy.

    CB, I am now of the opinion that you are correct about Ohlendorf. He is most definitely being misused by Girardi. Last night he looked fantastic, I wish Girardi would utilize his skills in a set-up role. The Yankee bullpen (imo) should be Mariano, Joba, Ohlendorf, Albaladejo, Ramirez, Rasner, Farnsworth.

  151. Patrick April 30th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    “Remember folks, this booing thing isn’t a chicken & egg thing. We know what comes first. Players don’t play badly becuase they are booed. They are booed because they play badly.”

    Unless your name is Latroy Hawkins

  152. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    “Then again, booing is a lot easier than having a helpful idea.”

    OK, then maybe fans should all at once yell “Hughes, please be a little more aggressive and accurate with your fastball. We love you to death but you might need a little help in the minors.” That would be a beautiful serenade.

    We are talking about a fans reaction at a ball game. They react with applause or boo. The middle would be sitting there in dead silence. Booing and a helpful idea don’t have anything to do with one another when you are a fan. Maybe when you are a teammate. When you are a fan you live and die by the team, you express love with curtain calls, you express disgust with booing.

    This is not directed toward anyone but: what kind of fairies are we turning into where we can’t boo a player who has pitched as poorly as Hughes because we might hurt his confidence or stun his development? That is what the minors are for.

  153. Fredo Corleone April 30th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Good point Patrick.

  154. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    “Mariano, Joba, Ohlendorf, Albaladejo, Ramirez, Rasner, Farnsworth.”

    I agree with you there Pat… Ohlendorf needs stop stop coming in as a long relief. Joe uses Ohly for 2-3 innings and treats it like he just put Joba in for 1 inning.

  155. Dennis-Costanza (sox fan) April 30th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    CB.

    Actually the Sox starters have been better than you think. The starters after 28 games have pitched pitched 20 more innings than the Yankee staff and are 6th overall in era in the AL. I believe they are getting better and not worse as Beckett should make more starts and get stronger if he stays healthy.

    Your comment on the bullpen is accurate. It is woeful and they need to make an adjustment for a solid guy for the 7th inning. I have no faith in Father Time Timlin, Delcarmen, Aarsdma etc.

    Espn.com-mlb-stats-al pitching. You can then filter any stat you want by starter, bullpen, day games, etc, etc.

    I was going to wait until a morning when both teams had won the previous eve but I got sucked in.

    Respectfully-

    -dennis

  156. randy l April 30th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    “Thanks for proving my point for me.”

    patrick-

    from espn : ” Giambi then hurt the foot more severely when he homered in the seventh inning Tuesday night.”

    what part of ” then hurt the foot” don’t you understand?
    it clearly implies a continuous injury that was part of a deteriorating condition.

    it’s one thing for people to make comments and predictions, but being right over time is where the rubber meets the road. the point is not to win debating points. the point is to be right about predicting what will happen when a specific action is taken.

    giambi was toast when the heel spurs first appeared. cashman made a really bad decision delaying disabling giambi. bringing up hughes too soon and blowing out his hammy was a mistake that peter a and myself called ahead of time.

    peter abraham is telling us he thinks the injuries are on cashman and girardi for rushing them back. you think i’m the lone ranger here pointing out that cashman needs to get his act together on this stuff?

    your position and almost everyone else on the blog is that it’s not cashman’s fault when ,over time, giambi,posada, hughes, and arod have conditioning and rehab related injuries and set backs. sj says it’s on the players. i agree with and respect most of what sj says, but i respectively disagree and say it is on cashman to make these decisions.

    just like it is on cashman that he decided to depend on three rookie pitchers at the same time and when two of of three don’t come through it’s on him to do something about it.

    you can be sure hank feels the same way. the only place cashman gets a free pass is on this blog.

  157. ray (sox fan) April 30th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    CB
    I enjoyed reading your post and your analysis of the current Sox pitching staff.

    In my estimation it is certainly accurate to state the Red Sox bullpen has been undependable, and in some cases I would even say horrific with the exception of Okijima and Papelbon. Manny Delcarmen and Timlin have been very inconsistent.

    I will grant you that it might be wishful thinking on my part but I think there are signs that the starting pitching is coming around. In recent games Lester, Beckett, and Bucholtz went fairly late into the game.

    I like Wakefield but it is downright scary depending on the knuckleball because it is so unpredictable. Dice-K is sometimes very effective but needs to be more economical with his pitches. Having thrown upwards of 100 pitches by the fifth inning is obviously not good.

    I think pitchers in general and just not young pitchers can suddenly struggle and then just as quickly pitch effectively. Hughes had excellent stuff last year and will have excellent stuff again I believe. Any fan of the Yankees or Sox now saying they should have signed Zito to a 120 million dollar plus contract?

    Both the Yankees and the Sox are committed to developing players within their system and I believe that is the right approach.

  158. MoBoy April 30th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Ohlendorff as set-up man.He had one good apperance last night.He still has a 6 Era.He should be a long man reliever since he was a starting pitcher.REmember he wasn’t holdingcthe lead or anything last night.He’s good but set-uo man.

  159. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Rangers Sean Avery cardia arrest :(

  160. randy l April 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    “I just don’t see how the Yankees mishandle injuries any worse than any other team. Which is not to say they all couldn’t try to do a better job.”

    i agree that the yankees aren’t any worse than any other team. i just expect more because they are the yankees.

  161. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Rangers bad boy Sean Avery, unconscious and not breathing, was rushed to a Manhattan hospital Wednesday morning in cardiac arrest just hours after his team’s playoff loss, sources said.

    Rangers Sean Avery cardiac arrest :(

  162. ray (sox fan) April 30th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Hi Dennis,
    Funny that we were both writing essentially the same post to CB at the same time.

  163. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    It seems like I got one of the chicken littles all riled up this morning.

    Have some decaf and relax. We are only talking baseball here. Its not life or death.

    If you think objective commentary is “Hughes sucks, Fire Cashman”, you are on the wrong board.

    Its quite simple if you read my posts why I think Hughes should be sent down.

    Contrary to some folks who form an opinion and never change their minds no matter what (as in “Melky will never be a good hitter”) happens, if I see something that makes me think differently about a situation, I am going to say it.

    If you don’t like it, here’s a tip. Ignore my opinion. It won’t bother me in the slightest.

    I’ll tell you what won’t work. Telling me what to write.

    So you are wasting your time by doing it.

  164. trisha April 30th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    As always during the day, this is kind of a hit and run without benefit of reading what has been posted above, so if I repeat things that have been said or seem out of sequence, I apologize.

    Last night there were posters who were OUTRAGED when some of us suggested that it was time for Hughes to take a trip to the minors. I sure don’t consider that suggestion a personal affront to Hughes as much as I consider it a way to help me get his stuff together and help the Yankees perhaps win a few games in the process when it is his turn to pitch. That said, those people need to understand that those of us who suggested it are obviously not being overly punitive in the suggestion since it has already been discussed internally, obviously.

    These are a few excerpts from today’s story by McCarron.

    As I said last night, and it probably got lost in the translation since people who were spinning out at the suggestion probably didn’t have the wherewithal to read the posts thoroughly to see everything being stated, I think Hughes has the ability to someday be an excellent and top-notch pitcher.

    I have no idea what the Yankees will end up doing, but I sincerely hope that Hughes is not in the rotation when his next turn comes around. Incidentally it was not until last night’s game that I even considered that possibility so it is not like I have been gunning for Hughes from the start.

    Phil Hughes was booed off the mound with two out in the fourth inning after another brutal performance that may send the pitcher back to the minors.

    The Yankee decision-makers will huddle to discuss what to do about their struggling righthander.

    The question’s been asked (internally),” GM Brian Cashman said when asked if Hughes might lose his rotation spot. “If we decide to do something, we’ll talk to the player first. But I think it’s fair for us to discuss it.”

    But Hughes had plenty of other problems Tuesday night, as evidenced by fans turning on him. The boos were “kind of weird,” said Hughes, who has generally been embraced by fans. “But you kind of expect it when you have four losses in a month and an ERA of 9 or 10.”

  165. SteveHoweYouDoin April 30th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    All -

    Back to last night’s game…there were many posts (including mine) re: Duncan and Ensberg’s first pitch swinging as the tying run, with no outs.

    Some posters felt that Jones throws 1dst pitch fastballs, and that maybe both guys were told to look for that.

    My thinking is that based on how Jones did against the first few batters that inning, both guys should’ve been given the take sign to start off their at-bats.

    What does everyone think? I’m still baffled by both of their approaches.

  166. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Nobody is telling folks they don’t have a right to boo.

    Just because its your right doesn’t mean you have to do it.

    I don’t boo my own players. The reason? They hear so much crap on the road, why make their home feel the same way?

    Some of you have no idea what the Yankees deal with on the road from fans. Some of it is beyond nasty, its sick.

    The way I see it, I want the players to be comfortable at home and I chose to support them when I go to games. That’s just my individual choice.

    If a guy dogs it, that’s a problem and I can understand people booing. But, you can count on one hand in the last 13 years the number of players who dogged it as Yankees.

    They may not always have played well but, that’s not dogging it. A key distinction.

    In terms of Hughes last night, does anybody think he was dogging it? Of course not. He pitched poorly.

    Its as if Yankee fans have turned into Red Sox fans the last few years. Booing Jeter, booing Mariano, booing Arod, getting caught up in a stupid numbers flap with Hawkins, what gives?

    Really, the fan base went from being the most knowledgable in the game to a bunch of whining crybabies.

    If you want to boo your own players, do it. Just don’t give any BS about justifying it because some of us just don’t buy the explanations.

  167. Fredo Corleone April 30th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Red Sox starters did go on a bit of a roll. Last time thru the rotation, they got 5 starts, 35 IP, and 7 ER’s allowed.

    They went 1-4 in those 5 games, barely squeezing by last night, but if I’m a Sox fan, I’m more comfortable losing 4 of 5 well pitched games than I am losing 4 out of 5 by a score of 11-8. Timlin is done. Can’t see him being helpful. Wouldn’t shock me to see Hanson (best AAA numbers this side of Edwar)and Masterson up later in the year to augment their staff. Still think Delcarmen may be useful, but the jury is still certainly out there.

  168. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Phil Hughes – “But you kind of expect it when you have four losses in a month and an ERA of 9 or 10.”

    Jimw – “I can understand booing a Randy Johnson, someone that is proven but you just don’t boo a young prospect who is struggling. You can’t do that. The kid may never recover.”

  169. Christine April 30th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Gayle,

    I don’t know if you got an answer to your question or not, but Doc was there. John and Suzyn said it was to “support his nephew” Gary Sheffield.

    I don’t know if that is the real reason or not, but that is what they said.

  170. Francis The Praying Mantis April 30th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    the chicken little cliche is very Vito from the Sopranos.

  171. CB April 30th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    “Actually the Sox starters have been better than you think. The starters after 28 games have pitched pitched 20 more innings than the Yankee staff and are 6th overall in era in the AL.”

    Dennis,

    As unfortunate as it is I have to say – using the yankees starters as a baseline for innings pitched is not saying much.

    The red sox starters this years have been much better than the yankees. Buchholz in particular has pitched well and much, much better than Hughes or Kennedy.

    And I’m not arguing that the sox starters aren’t going to give you guys quality innings in terms of ERA. They have and will.

    The issue is workload and the distribution of innings across the staff.

    Right now Lester, Dice K, Buchholz, and Wakefield are each averaging less than 6 innings per starts (and that includes Lester’s great start yesterday).

    That’s the issue. Having 4 starters averaging less than 6 innings over the course of a season is brutal. Could that change – sure. Lester could start going deeper into games. Buchholz is going to be limited by his innings cap and inexperience (all young pitchers are inefficient with their pitches – that’s just the way it is). At this point I don’t think Dice K is going to start going deep into games but I guess he could. Wakefield – well once your north of 40 all bets are off.

    From that I’m guessing the red sox starters will pitch 65-75% of your innings each turn through the rotation.

    If your starters pitch 75% of the innings you’ll be fine.

    If it’s closer to 65% then it’s trouble.

    I just don’t think that pen as it’s set up right now can throw 30-35% of your innings over the course of the year with a good outcome (well, good for the sox).

    That’s my basic supposition. Could be entirely wrong.

    I just don’t have any faith in the sox pen besides Pap and okajima and both could wear down (it’ll be interesting to see how okajima does the second half of this year after being worked so hard this year).

    And I don’t think you enough in the minors to help alleviate the strain.

    But that partly depends on what the sox decide to do with Masterson. If they commit him to the pen this year he’ll help. But you may need him as a starter next year and he still needs to work on his secondary pitches. It’s a lot to ask Masterson to assume a new role out of the pen when he’s only in AA now.

  172. Jax April 30th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Brandon hopefully it’s not drugs with Avery.

  173. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Here’s the conundrum the Yankees face with Hughes.

    In a perfect world, you would like for him to solve his problems at the major league level.

    Unfortunately, because of the injuries, they need pitchers who can go deeper into games. These 3 inning starts really mess up the bullpen.

    Also because of the injuries, they aren’t going to score as much as they expected when the season began. You just can’t put the team in 3-5 run early holes. He’s doing it in almost every one of his starts. It changes the way opponents pitch to Yankee hitters and it creates a sense of urgency that leads to bat AB’s.

    Its a tough spot for them. While they need to develop Hughes, you also have 24 other guys to worry about. You can’t put the team’s needs aside for Hughes.

    Its not an easy spot for the Yankees to be in right now.

    Mike Mussina was on WFAN yesterday. He gave a tutorial on pitching that is a much listen for any fan who wants to learn more about the game. He was so good, he even shut up Fatso and Fruit Loops for awhile.

    They will never admit it but, I bet they learned a lot yesterday.

    If you guys get a chance, and the interview is still on the WFAN website, its worth a listen.

  174. randy l April 30th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    let’s face it , the crap hit the fan last night. no one wanted to wake up on may 1 with arod and posada out and hughes and kennedy imploding.

    but that’s where it’s at. i’d send kennedy down and keep hughes up simply because i think hughes is the better pitcher. i’d bring rasner up and have stewart catch him because they know each other.

    the yankees need a veteran back up catcher in the system because there is no telling what will happen with posada. stewart is a really short term fix.

    besides these small moves the a yankees will have to play a few weeks and see what they have before knowing if they have to do anything more drastic which would probably involve trading some of the depth in the minors.

  175. Dennis-Costanza (sox fan) April 30th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    SJ44. Isn’t there a reason it is the “Bronx Cheer”?

    -dennis

  176. LadyBug626 April 30th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Annie Savoy: Unfortunately ticket prices (in all sports) are a function of supply and demand. The demand for tickets is at an all time high, and as long as people are lining up to pay ridiculous sums of money at the ball park then the ticket prices are going to stay high.

    I hope Sean Avery is ok.

  177. Jax April 30th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    SJ44, Russo’s respond said it all after Mussina explained what what was going on with Hughes and Kennedy: “Wow, didn’t know that.”

  178. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    “If you want to boo your own players, do it. Just don’t give any BS about justifying it because some of us just don’t buy the explanations.”

    So fans have the right to boo their own players. But they shouldn’t try justify the booing when they are getting criticized for booing just because “some of us” don’t buy the explanations?

    Honestly, some fans don’t want to be knowledgeable about the game. They want to go out there and see some competitive baseball. Not Phil Hughes choking up and getting knocked out in the 3-4th a few times. Those fans who boo a players poor performance have a right to boo, and I don’t think they would be justifying themselves (or even feel the need to) if people weren’t policing them.

  179. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Jax – what did Mussina say was wrong with Hughes and Kennedy?

  180. Blargh April 30th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    “what kind of fairies are we turning into where we can’t boo a player who has pitched as poorly as Hughes because we might hurt his confidence or stun his development? ”

    Fans with a brain

    In general, if you boo a guy who tries his best, then you’re not being supportive, period. If you’re not being supportive, then you’re not a ‘fan’. Being a fan during good times and not being a fan during bad times….well, there are terms for that.

  181. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    “If you guys get a chance, and the interview is still on the WFAN website, its worth a listen.”

    Thanks.

  182. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Jax,

    Agreed.

    Randy is on point. Right now, the Yankees have to redefine their goals for the short term.

    Their goal should be, stay within 4 games of the Red Sox by June 1. Arod and Posada should both be back by that time.

    If they can do that, it puts them in great position the rest of the way.

    The issue is, how do you do it? I think today or tomorrow, they should know whether or not Moeller was claimed on waivers.

    If he wasn’t claimed, I’m guessing they will bring him back. That would solve one problem.

    They will probably call up a pitcher today.

    Hughes? Will be interesting to read Pete’s report from the stadium today.

    Girardi can’t get ticked off at the line of questioning. its entirely appropriate for the media to ask about Hughes today.

  183. Dennis-Costanza (sox fan) April 30th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    CB.

    Good post. Well said.

    I was using the Yanks as a baseline due to the audience. I will use the AL next time. I agree with Fredo that Hansen may help but that may be wishful thinking on my part.

    Either way it is very, very earlier. The White Sox had the lowest bullben era last April and ended with the worst in MLB.

    We both have had a brutal April in terms of schedule. The most troubling trend for me so far is that the AL East has greatly improved its starting pitching so the 7-5 games that used to hide your weaker starting pitching will be tougher to come by for the Sox and Yanks.

    -dennis

  184. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    SJ44 – is it the 4-29 Mussina interview?

  185. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    Mets may claim Moeller

    Sean Avery has a lacerated spleen, I wonder how that happened ?

    WFAN is out of control today.

  186. gayle April 30th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Christine–

    thanks for that not sure what support Sheffield needs but glazd to know that Doc at least for last night was good.Like I said I know Ray Negron had said as well as Straw that neither of them had been able to track him down recently.

    SJ agreed with the Moose on the fan thing to me that was the most interesting and logical explanation on what the kids issues are right now especially Kennedy.

    Not sure he has the temprament or even the skills needed but he sure does know a lot about pitching to be a instructor, maybe with real young kids lol

  187. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Russell,

    Yes.

    Brandon,

    Talk radio is always out of control after a night like last night. Like our game threads, the trolls and chicken littles light up the phone lines.

    Its why talk radio should be taken with a VERY small grain of salt.

  188. gayle April 30th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    SJ–

    I dont think he will get ticketd off today he understands it is a logical question I think the thing that bothers him and rightly so is that some media expect an answer to the question right after the game when it is obvious that a decision will not be made until everyone talks including the player. Can you imagine the uproar if a manager told the media player was getting sent down or sitting before the player was told.

    Cashman made it very clear last night what the answer was going to be it was going to be a discussion with everyone involved then a decision would be made.

  189. NYPD113th April 30th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    Hughes does look exactly like The Rocket………..circa 2007.

  190. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    “In general, if you boo a guy who tries his best, then you’re not being supportive, period. If you’re not being supportive, then you’re not a ‘fan’. Being a fan during good times and not being a fan during bad times….well, there are terms for that.”

    So what you’re saying is: if you’re not being supportive then your not a fan? What kind of fan are we talking about here? If a Mets fan boos Aaron Heilman that doesn’t make him a Mets fan? That doesn’t make him an Aaron Heilman fan, maybe? So when you hear Heilman getting booed on TV then the next game you hear a round of applause because he showed some positive adjustments those fans are (implied) bandwagoners? Exactly what is the term you were looking for there?

    Do you play baseball? Do you physically go to the games?

  191. Blargh April 30th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    “So when you hear Heilman getting booed on TV then the next game you hear a round of applause because he showed some positive adjustments those fans are (implied) bandwagoners? Exactly what is the term you were looking for there?”

    Yes

    “Do you play baseball? Do you physically go to the games?”

    Nope and nope. Are you going to suggest something about my knowledge of the game or my degree of ‘fan’dom? Go ahead.

  192. CB April 30th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Dennis,

    Would you convert Masterson to relief this year if you needed help at the major league level?

    I think that’s one of the major decisions Theo is going to have to make this year.

    His power two seamer would probably work in the pen right now. I just don’t know if that’s the best thing for him unless you commit him long term to the pen. To start next year it seems like he needs time to work on his secondary pitches.

    Interesting dilemma. One of the reasons why the yanks could convert joba last year was that he already threw multiple pitches well. Harder to do with a guy who has one dominant pitch.

    I can’t believe in Craig Hansen until he shows he can get outs at the major league level. But if he has turned a corner that would be an enormous lift.

  193. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Gayle,

    Here’s the way I look at it. I know some people think we make “excuses” about bad performances. I don’t see it that way.

    You don’t go from being the Number One pitching prospect in MLB to a scrub in less than a year without SOMETHING being wrong.

    You look for reasons why because there are reasons why a player with Hughes’ skills stuggle.

    Its part of learning more about the game and I like learning about the game. I think it makes me a more educated fan and love the game so much, I enjoy learning more about it.

    I think a lot of fans want to learn more about the game. Sure, some will always be kneejerk reactionaries.

    However, if this blog turned into an “everybody sucks, fire everybody” blog, it wouldn’t be this popular, wouldn’t it?

  194. Westerner99 April 30th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Wow…I just listened to Moose on WFAN…the media completely took his comments about Joba out of context. He never said, about Joba, what they reported.

    As always, the media distorts Moose and his demeanor. He is one of the few players that gives thoughtful answers and doesn’t just spout cliches.

    What he said about Hughes and Kennedy was spot on. Moose will make either a great pitching coach or a solid baseball analyst (not that networks are looking for solid analysts – they just want talking heads to shout loud and be obnoxious).

  195. Dennis-Costanza (sox fan) April 30th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    CB.

    Playoff Teams in the AL last year and their starters avg per game over the 162 game season.

    LA- 6 1/3
    Cleve- a fraction over 6
    Bos- a fraction over 6
    Yanks- 5 2/3

    Red Sox staters only pitched 55% of the innings last year and won a World Series. You suggest 75% and 65% as a baseline. I will look up the other 3 playoff teams on percentage.

    -dennis

  196. Bryan April 30th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    I am a Red Sox fan and comment on Yankee Blogs

    Therefore I am cool

  197. S.A.-I still believe in ya Phil..even though many are jumping ship. April 30th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    I’m not even turning on the radio today.
    I am sure it will be crazy people day.

    Wow, hope Sean Avery is ok.

    I see the NY Daily News changed their story from cardiac arrest to lacerated spleen. Great job Daily News getting the story right before putting it out there…great job(sarcasm off now)

  198. randy l April 30th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    sj-
    with all the commotion, i forgot about moeller . that would definitely help.

    morgan ensberg can play baseball. molina can play. rasner can win some games. mussina has surprised us with two good starts. if the veterans that are left step up and pick up the slack created with arod and posada gone, then who knows, the yankees might just stay close through may.

  199. gayle April 30th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    SJ not sure what you were responding to from me lol We are on the same page I think

  200. Frank Discussion April 30th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Thanks SJ 44 for the link to the Mussina interview.

  201. Westerner99 April 30th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Also, Moose’s comments on Posada were pretty good, as well.

  202. Westerner99 April 30th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    And even better commentary on the pitch to Manny or not debacle in the media…Moose’s explanation was right on. He took the blame for not executing.

  203. Kill-Schill(ing) April 30th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Is there any reason the article in today’s Post about Phil’s difficulty seeing at night should trouble me or more importantly, the Yankees?

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/04.....108724.htm

  204. jennifer April 30th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    Was anyone brought up to replace Alex?

  205. Dennis-Costanza (sox fan) April 30th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    In a rush to prove a point I made a mistake. Please accept my apologies…

    CB, Red Sox starters pitched 68% percent of the innings. Far below 75% but well above my mistake of 55%

    -dennis

  206. CB April 30th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    “Red Sox staters only pitched 55% of the innings last year and won a World Series. ”

    That’s part of the reason why I have more concerns about the Sox pen this year.

    Once you start getting bull pen throwing more than 40% of a teams innings it gets very difficult.

    The sox relievers threw a lot of innings last year, especially Okajima (compared to what he was expected to throw)

    I also think your pen is not as good this year as it was last year (timlin year older, etc.) so I’m guessing that you’ll get fewer quality innings this year than last.

    I don’t think they can do that two years in a row – throwing that many innings – but I may very well be wrong.

    The Sox basically had two season last year. That tremendous start you got off to/ strong first half. Then the second half where you just hung on.

    The main reason IMO why the sox had a much, much poorer second half than first is that the pen just wore down throwing so many innings.

    This year you don’t have that hot start/ the cushion of a big lead to work with.

    That’s why for this year I think the expectation that your pen throws 30-35% of the total innings is what I had in mind.

    But again, it’s just guesstimation.

  207. Jax April 30th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    I’ve never heard anything in the past about Hughes not being able to see at night. That ones out of left field for me.
    He certainly pitched well in night games including post season last year.

  208. G. Love April 30th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    I’m tired of people bringing up Carmona as someone we should look to so we exercise patience and let Hughes continue to get bashed on the mound.

    In Carmona’s abysmal rookie season he started seven games and then the Indians made the kid their closer and he got his brains beat in. He was a starter his entire minor league career up until that point and because he had wicked stuff, they put him in the highest pressure position on the team and he cracked. He pitched 31 games in relief in his rookie season.

    Hughes started in the majors last season and showed some promise. He pitched in a playoff game and pitched damn well.

    There’s a huge difference between taking a rookie starter and making him a closer at the major league level and watching a guy who has had small success as a starter flame out at the major league level.

    No one has messed with Hughes. In fact, he was given the keys to the kingdom and deemed (in many circles) our number 3 starter.

    He’s not that. He’s a mess and he’s hurting this team.

    I don’t want to hear rebuilding year. If this really is a rebuilding year, then our GM is the dumbest idiot in the game for going out and signing Arod, Mo, Posada and picking up Abreu’s option. All that did was give us hope that we were going to contend again.

    What Cashman did this off season is a horrible job. He’s a bi-polar GM.

    In seasons past we went into the season having 6-7 major league quality starters.

    This year we go into the season with 2, plus 3 question marks. That’s it.

    It’s his fault. The money he flushed away on Pavano and Igawa has hurt this team immeasurably.

    When other teams were willing to deal top of the rotation starters under 30 this off season, Cashman sat there and smugly dismissed the sense in acquiring one of them thinking he and Theo came up with the secret code on how to be the best.

    He did a poor job this off season. There’s no other way around it. He went into the season wishing and hoping and demanding (in a sense) that 2 rookies succeed in his rotation.

    I’m on record as saying that Joba spoiled this entire organization. His success made Cashman think that rookies were the way and made people think that Eiland was some sort of genius.

    Maybe Eiland is, but 2 of his star pupils are about to go back to Scranton and work with another pitching coach because they can’t figure it out up here.

    They have to send down Hughes and bring up Rasner and see if he can actually give us 6 innings in a game.

    If they don’t send down Hughes, then make him the long man. Maybe with 31 relief appearances like Carmona, he might figure something out.

    They also have to find a veteran starter somewhere. I’d call up Texas and ask for Millwood at this point. At least he’d keep us in games most nights and Texas isn’t going anywhere.

  209. jennifer April 30th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    I’ve always said that you get Mike on the radio and he is very good to listen too.

  210. Real World April 30th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Hughes will eventually be fine. He’s 21 guys. He’s breazed through every level to this point, except for the majors, where he’s had all kinds of results. No hit outings, to playoff wins, to being man handled in starts. This is a learning process. He’s been punched in the mouth, and he has to get up off the canvas. I’m not worried, as he’s only 21!

  211. Dennis-Costanza (sox fan) April 30th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Bryan.

    I read and post on various baseball blogs. I enjoy other fans opinions and insights.

    -dennis

  212. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    that story is BS, Hughes never had eye trouble at the mound especially at night, what’s the next excuse from the PR…let him work w/ Rafael Chaves in SWB, keep the kid away from Eiland for awhile.

  213. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    “Moose will make either a great pitching coach or a solid baseball analyst”

    Completely agree – good interview with Moose.

  214. CB April 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    “Red Sox starters pitched 68% percent of the innings. Far below 75% but well above my mistake of 55%”

    That’s the thing – even throwing 32% of all your innings your pen wore down a lot over the second half of last year.

    I don’t know if you can do that again without a big cushion from a hot start.

    And how will the cumulative impact of innings affect guys like Okajima, Timlin, etc.

    It’ll be interesting to see. My only point is that I think bull pen pitching depth is going to go a long way in the AL east because there is so much hitting and so many young pitchers.

  215. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    “Was anyone brought up to replace Alex?”

    they say it will be a pitcher I was praying Brett or Eric..to give them a cup of coffee in the big show. Who knows..

  216. Bryan April 30th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    Oh sorry I didn’t know you were so cultured

  217. NYPD113th April 30th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    Paging Dr. Igawa, Dr. Igawa you have a phone call.

  218. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Brandon – not sure what to believe but you can imagine there are much brighter lights at Yankee Stadium at night than in the minors.

  219. Dennis-Costanza (sox fan) April 30th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    CB.

    I agree it will be very difficult. The Yanks have done a better job getting some fresh arms in the pen. Theo stood pat with exception Aardsma andI would be surprised if he make any impact. I would not bring Masterson in the pen as I thnk his innings will be more useful as a starter later in the year. I am going to throw a quarter in the fountain in the hopes of Delcarmen-Hansen can bring something to the 6th and 7th innings.

    -dennis

  220. jennifer April 30th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Brandon I’m hoping for either of them too. I don’t want to see Wilson back up here. I’d rather give a kid a shot.

  221. William Buckner April 30th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    G. Love,
    How was cashman supposed to know pavano would be this much of a waste? He was the most wanted FA pitcher that year. And how did money spent on pavano or ig hurt this team? Money is never a yankee issue.

    I’d say this, to anyone ready to fire cash, look at where BP ranks our organization. We are building for the future while competing in the present. Not an easy task.

    We are 2 games out after the injuries, bad starting pitching, and awful April schedule.

  222. jason April 30th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Just listened to the Moose interview and agree it is very on point. You can probably count on one hand the 21 year old pitchers who new how to pitch and handle major league hitters.
    Moose seems only to reinforce what others have said, and I parroted at 9:00 this morning on this thread – it is all about confidence – confidence for Phil and Ian to trust their stuff, confidence that they can get big league hitters out, and confidence that will allow them to command their pitches.
    They were too good and too dominant every step of the way to suddenly fail – we have not seen an Ankiel issue.
    But, whatever the organization feels is the best way to restore confidence I fully support. It may be different for each guy, but lets give them a few starts in warm weather when the Yanks put up 5 in the first inning and see how they do.
    Learn lessons, take positives and build confidence.

  223. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Russell was there bright lights in the ALDS game he pitched or game 3 vs Toronto, don’t believe that. And those type of excuses is what concerns me. I’ve said this for awhile get him away from Eiland for awhile, give him time away to focus on himself. This stuff is getting to him.

  224. Blargh April 30th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    mel: I’m kind of perturbed that all ~27 girls listed on that site so far are caucasian

  225. G. Love April 30th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Buckner,

    I re-read what I posted and I didn’t mean to say the money we spent on Pavano and Igaway hurt the team.

    I meant that the failures of both of those pitchers has made Cashman gunshy when it comes to veteran or free agent pitching acquisitions.

    Because of those failures, coupled with Kevin Brown, Weaver, etc. he now is scared to death to make a move on a pitcher he doesn’t develop in house.

    He’s dealing from a place of fear all of sudden and I think it’s showing in the amount of pressure that he heaped on the 2 kids in the rotation.

  226. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Brandon – he wasn’t making excuses for his pitching. The major concern was that he was getting crossed up with the signs.

    What’s wrong with Eiland?

  227. Frank Discussion April 30th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Good interview with Mussina. Since we’ve all spent the past 12 hours dissecting Hughes performance, let’s not forget about the offense, or lack thereof. with Alex and Posada out, the remainder of the lineup really needs to step up to the plate (pardon the pun) with the situational hitting. Bases loaded twice last night and the only runner who comes in is on a batter hit by pitch ? It’s been a ongoing problem, and, to a degree, I see the weather as being a factor, but enough is enough. Other teams are hitting in similar conditions.

  228. Blargh April 30th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Sorry, miscount; all 24 girls listed on that site are caucasian

  229. the original SP April 30th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Finally SJ44 admits Hughes doesn’t belong in the rotation right now. Thanks for calling me a chicken little when I said this two weeks ago! I think it’s obvious that the only thing Hughes is doing right now is hurting the Yanks. It wasn’t panic then or now, sending him down is the smart thing to do for the team. This guy has shown no flashes of brilliance or domination since he got injured last year, get him out of here.

  230. G. Love April 30th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Our best team doesn’t include Damon and Giambi.

    I think letting Gardner and his speed and athleticism take a shot in LF (rotating with Matsui) and letting Shelley and Ensberg take over 1b might be the way to go.

    Does Damon have any trade value left?

    Could we possibly get a league avg. starter for him?

  231. raymagnetic â„¢ April 30th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    “Because of those failures, coupled with Kevin Brown, Weaver, etc. he now is scared to death to make a move on a pitcher he doesn’t develop in house.”

    I doubt he’s scared to death to make any moves in regards to pitching. He probably just didn’t like the options that were available.

    Secondly the organization was able to develop three key members of the team via the farm. Why shouldn’t he keep doing what has been successful lately?

  232. mel April 30th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Blargh,

    LOL. It does look a lot like a Russian mail-order bride site doesn’t it?

    Frank Discussion,

    Offense is not really the problem. It is, but it really is the RISP thing all over again. Year after year of the same old you know what. We did a nice job against Laffey in that one inning. But that’s it. I think it’s time, especially since we’re home and we’ve got key injuries, to go to a semi-set lineup. Guys need to get comfortable where they’re batting, re-acquaint themselves with those around them in the lineup, and start knocking them in.

  233. gayle April 30th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    No offense to all the Brett Gardner fans out there but why exactly would he br brought up now to replace Alex on the roster.

    To me that makes no sense he is an outfielder we do not need one of those we arelady have 4 if one of them were to get hurt then yes I see it but at this point he would surely sit on the bench and be a waste of a spot.

  234. Jimmy27 April 30th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    For the record:
    I was at the game last night, Phil was not “booed off the mound”
    There were plenty of boos (10%) but it died down before he reached the fouline.
    Litmus test for me is that i did not feel embarrassed for him (or the “fans”) re: the booing.
    It may have been worse in other sections or sounded worse on TV.
    And I was bothered by the lights last night – but I’m a lot older than 21.
    Since when does Moose do interviews???? He sounded really good.

  235. James April 30th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    the original SP,
    You are actually incorrect that Phil hasn’t shown anything since his injury. Did you not watch him pitch last September and in the playoffs? One could argue he was a big reason we tore through September as he pitched excellent. Plus it was his performance that helped us get our only playoff win last year. He also was one of our best pitchers this spring. He has the talent and has recently shown it but Yanks fans like you have a short memory with everything. You expect the young guys to be lights out from day one.

  236. randy l April 30th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    “They also have to find a veteran starter somewhere. I’d call up Texas and ask for Millwood at this point. At least he’d keep us in games most nights and Texas isn’t going anywhere.”

    funny you mention that. with texas falling apart, i thought he might be pried loose. i lean towards veteran pitcher because they are more predictable than young pitchers. one rookie in the rotation is enough as far as i’m concerned.

    texas would obviously want some young players. it’s just a matter of how many. they might be a good trading partner in general because they are going nowhere and the gm is on the hot seat. he’s got to do something. maybe the yankees can give him something he can spin to give him more time.

  237. mel April 30th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Mets game is in delay (other). Is there some kind of ceremony or something?

  238. SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    He has shown no flashes of brilliance since he got injured last year? I guess you missed the win he got in Game 3 of the ALDS and the Toronto start this year.

    If you are going to pat yourself on the back, at least be a little more accurate.

  239. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    “Our best team doesn’t include Damon and Giambi.
    “I think letting Gardner and his speed and athleticism take a shot in LF (rotating with Matsui) and letting Shelley and Ensberg take over 1b might be the way to go.”
    Does Damon have any trade value left?
    Could we possibly get a league avg. starter for him?”

    I love you G Love. My thoughts exactly.

  240. William Buckner April 30th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    G Love,
    I hear what you’re saying. Not sure I agree but I do understand your points. Living in Scranton, Ive seen shelley and gardner a couple times. They aren’t an improvement over Jd or giambi. Both are extra parts at best.

    I think the biggest cash mistake is not introducing these kids a little more staggered. If we had signed a gil meche or ted lilly two years ago, we’d have a little more stability to our rotation. That said, it’s past tense.

    I feel now you bring up rasner and let hughes work on mechanics and secondary pitches on the farm for a little while. Maybe the same for IPK. Both need to reclaim the attack mentallity. From what i’ve seen, much too passive.

  241. johnblacksox April 30th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Wow, I don’t know how to fix Hughes, but I’m mostly amazed at how pompous SJ44 has gotten. Thank you for allowing us simple folk to bask in the glow of your baseball acumen, Mr. Gammons.

  242. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    “Mets game is in delay (other). Is there some kind of ceremony or something?”

    The Mets celebrate and have ceremonies for almost everything so there is a chance. They are probably handing out Mets jetski’s to the team for the “forgot about last years collapse” award.

  243. Fredo Corleone April 30th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    “Does Damon have any trade value left?

    Could we possibly get a league avg. starter for him?”

    Nope.

  244. Jax April 30th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Gayle we know Gardner is a outfielder and probably need an infielder to replace Arod. We just don’t want to see another journeyman called up. No one wants to see Cody Randsom or Nick Green.
    Rather see Gardner or Duncan.

  245. Yankee lover to SJ44 April 30th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    This is for you Sj44
    Yes a “few” home grown stars. But what about
    Tino Martinez, Chuck Knobloch, Scott Brosius, Paul O`Neill, David Justice, Roger Clemens, David Cone, Dwight Gooden, Jeff Nelson, Mike Stanton, Chile Davis, Joe Girardi, Darryl Strawberry, Tim Raines, David Wells, Graham Lloyd, Wade Boggs, Mariano Duncan, Charlie Hayes, Chad Curtis, Cecil Fielder, Mike Stanley, just to name a few. How many of these were “home grown”? The object is to win, and with the budget the Yankees have they should be using it to obtain players that can fill spots that they cannot fill from their minor leagues. Its obvious that Hughes and Kennedy are not ready now, who knows what they will do in the future? Hopefully they will pan out, but we knew and know what Santana could do, and they dropped the ball, worrying about keeping “homegrown” players. Its a business and you got to make decisions and use your resources. You dont get extra points for winning with “home grown” players, you do whatever you can to put the best team on the field, especially in the tough AL east. This will kill them this year. Absolutely kill them. Now, they may have to make a panic trade or move to stay in it. They could have done this in the off season, and I`m sure if they had Santana would be what 4-0 right now? The bullpen would not be so taxed, and we`d be taking advantage of Bostons slow start.

  246. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    “If we had signed a gil meche or ted lilly two years ago, we’d have a little more stability to our rotation.”

    Agreed – I liked Lilly when he was on Toronto and was really pushing for him over Igawa at the time. You have to cringe when someone says “this guy projections to be a middle rotation pitcher in the NL”

  247. Mitch April 30th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Let’s keep this simple. Phil Hughes is not that good. He is not the 2nd coming. His fastball is mediocre. His command is lacking. Will he get better if given the chance, certainly. Will he become the Yanks ace, I don’t think so. Send him down, keep him up, it doesn’t really matter. He needs to show more so the Yanks can trade him at some point.

  248. jennifer April 30th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    water main break in Queens reason for delay.

  249. Joe G. April 30th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Prediction: Santana will have more wins than Kennedy, Hughes and Mussina combined. But we didnt need Santana with all this pitching we have. I hope Steinbrenner fires Cashman before the season is over because i cant stand watching this moron giving interviews saying ” we just have to be patient” Your a moron cashman!

  250. Hughes exposed April 30th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Hughes is totally exposed, like Igawa he has no value. He had value last winter, but of course we didnt move him because we were told he was Ron Guidry

  251. Fredo Corleone April 30th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    “They also have to find a veteran starter somewhere. I’d call up Texas and ask for Millwood at this point. At least he’d keep us in games most nights and Texas isn’t going anywhere.”

    Millwood is on the books for $11M in ’09 and $12M in ’10. Not sure a lot of teams will want to take that on.

  252. V April 30th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Wow, the idiots are out in force today.

  253. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Yankee love to SJ44 – sure the Yanks have money and can go pick up whoever. But there really aren’t a lot of players out there to help the team and the luxury tax thing is a huge problem. You cant go plugging holes with expensive contracts, paying a high luxury tax which is shared with other teams.

    Remember what Hank said about the Devil Rays, something like: “If they want to play rough in spring training then maybe they should give back some of our luxury tax money.”

    The point it, Yanks have some options in the minors (that might or might not pan out) but they haven’t given them much of a shot the past few years. We have players to be excited about – Alberto, Hughes, Tabata, Jackson, Horne – cant just go plugging holes with multi-year contracts.

  254. Southern Yankee April 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    SJ44 is pompous, arrogant and suffers from a false superiority complex. His blurb earlier in this thread regarding economics of baseball is the most ridiculous garbage I have read in weeks.

    SJ44 – if the Yankees have revenue coming in that is not generated by fan interest – i.e tickets, concessions, YES TV, advertising etc – please take a minute and inform this ignorant reader about them.

    The more I read his posts the more I hear a phony!

  255. randy l April 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    “Millwood is on the books for $11M in ‘09 and $12M in ‘10. Not sure a lot of teams will want to take that on.”

    texas has been known to eat some salary before. agree with no salary reduction those years would be a problem.

  256. Yankee lover April 30th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Russ

    My opinion is that if those players were as good as people say, they`d be on the varsity already. Triple A doe not mirror the majors in any way shape or form. The “rookie” phenom is the exception not the norm. The league is too big and talented to assume that every teams Triple A guys could graduate and play great at the major league level. Just because they are dominant in the minors means nothing in the majors. Yanks are loaded with late 20`s something triple A players, you know why? Because they are what they are minor leaguers. You cannot count on them. Those teams that do suffer for years, and if they do win it short lived. Who has been successful without adding major big time players from trade/free agents? Nobody is “homegrown” anymore except perrenial (sorry spelling) losers like Tampa Bay, Kansas City, Pittsburgh etc

  257. mel April 30th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    jennifer & (russell NY),

    Thanks. (sort of).

  258. jason April 30th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    BTW worth following the minors tonight. Betances on the mound at Charleston and Hacker at Tampa. It will soon become necessary to see if Hacker can maintain his dominance at higher levels.
    They Yankees (and red Sox) for that matter will not only build from within or without. The plan is to balance player development, international free agency, ML free agency and trades. The best way to create the most opportunities in a sustainable manner is to build a successful farm system. That gives you the options of sticking with the players you feel can succeed, giving you ammo to make trades of youth for veteran on your terms, and then be SELECTIVE in free agency. I feel the Yankees are on the right track and also feel that this is a transition year for the team. Albeit a transition year that they hope to make the playoffs etc – very hard to do.

  259. pat April 30th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    “I don’t want to hear rebuilding year. If this really is a rebuilding year, then our GM is the dumbest idiot in the game for going out and signing Arod, Mo, Posada and picking up Abreu’s option. All that did was give us hope that we were going to contend again.”

    Is 2 games out not contending?

  260. Girardi on the DL April 30th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    I think it comes down to Girardi playing with the lineup every single day, and frankly not putting a lot of thought into it. I think his constant playing around with the lineup is throwing their batting off. Players like to get into habits. You see it with the way they play with their gloves, helmet, bat before they go up to bat. Girardi should know this, but he wants to cover up his deficiency by showing he is doing something.

    The position players merry go round is getting silly as well. Ensburg is not a 3rd baseman. He doesn’t hit all that well. Put the AG in there. He can’t be worse, and might be able to give a boost. Keep Melky in Center. Damon in left with an occasional switch off with Matsui.

    Two runs last night were from defense not handling what others in those positions would have been able to. Matsui is the 4th outfielder now, putting him out there with a kid struggling on the mound is asking for trouble. Damon in center isn’t cutting anymore. So, why in the world did Girardi give a 24 year old kid a day off? Does that make any sense? Plus, it had Matsui batting against a lefty after being sat for two days, instead of Melky being able to bat righty.

    The 2 run difference might have been even more because it wouldn’t have shaken up Hughes as much.

    Add to that having Stewart as catcher, his first day up in the club. While Hughes might have been having some trouble seeing the signs, I tend to doubt it because Ohlendorf and Stewart also got crossed up.

    Hughes was shaking off pitches as well. Put Molina behind the plate and tell Hughes you throw what he tells you. Molina might have gotten him through the game in better form. He would have forced him to slow down more.

    Both Hughes and Kennedy are put under great pressure because of the fans. Instead of giving support they get boos. Kennedy already talked about how overwhelming NY is. He didn’t seem that way last season. The Newspapers and fans are brutal here to a point where we lose good players to other teams that don’t have fans and media that treat them like crap. Those players then can shine.

    Girardi didn’t cause Hughes to melt down, but he didn’t give him the best support team to give him every chance at holding things together.

    Frankly, Girardi hasn’t done anything that has been an improvement over Torre, and in some ways, I think he is causing some of the woes.

  261. G. Love April 30th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    I could care less what Millwood or any other veteran pitcher makes.

    I’m tired of the team that signed Arod to the richest deal in history all of a sudden showing fiscal restraint. That’s BS and you know it.

    Here’s the problem. It’s not that we’re spoiled Yankee fans. It’s not that we’re idiots and we don’t see the profound brilliance in letting rookies get the snot knocked out of them at the major league level.

    The problem is this team went into a transitional off season and brought back huge offensive stars who are in the prime or past the prime of their career.

    Why does a team do that?

    Because they want to win and contend.

    They set themselves up as a contender and then nickel and dimed the rotation.

    We’re paying for that now.

    Would it have killed Cashman to sign Kyle Lohse on a flier when his demands fell from 4 years to one year?

    Cashman decided to rebuild the rotation and contend with the starting lineup (and pen).

    It’s ridiculous thinking. I have to believe someone in the organization warned him this could happen.

    We’re seeing first hand what a rebuilding rotation looks like. 3 inning starts. Bullpen overworked.

    I think the hitting woes are part in parcel caused by spotting the other team 4 or 5 runs in the first few innings in more than half the games.

    I was fine with Hughes in the rotation in pre-season. As a 5th starter. Not as a 3-4. Go back and check my posts from back then. I was saying the same thing then.

    There should have been some kind of vet brought to the team in the off season to play 3rd or 4th starter.

    By resigning the high priced vets, you set up an expectation in the fanbase and the game that your team is in it to win.

    If they are in it to win, then it’s time to find some starting pitching that can go, dare I say, 5 innings? 6, if we’re lucky?

    Until that happens, the .500 record we’re seeing will remain.

  262. mel April 30th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Wow, look at that! Minnesota sent 6 guys to the plate in the bottom of the first and actually plated a run to tie it up. That was pretty neat, I’ve never seen that.

    It’ll be a looong time before Texas eats anything for us. I don’t think we can begin to imagine how much _______ they’ve had to eat for eating part of Alex’s salary all those years.

    Still can’t believe that Boras cost us that free money.

  263. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Good point Southern – key word there is “interest”

    Even though the Yanks could afford to pay the players without the money coming in from ticket sales, everything is connected. Any revenue derived is from current fan interest and past success. Without either, YES Network and all their advertising money would go away.

  264. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    “Brandon – he wasn’t making excuses for his pitching. The major concern was that he was getting crossed up with the signs.”

    he has perfect eye visio, never said a thing about this until last night, color me not convinced

    “What’s wrong with Eiland?”

    There may be some truth to Eiland changing his delivery, he use to be a drifter ala Lincecum and Oli Perez but they changed it into a stay tall delivery and there are rumors of his arm slot but that hasn’t been that big of a change.

    I know CB is going to say this is not a problem, but I’m watching that Futures game tape over and over and that guy looks way different from what we are seeing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCoGKkk_njg

    that doesn’t look like 91 and he’s not over doing it for a Futures game, he’s actually holding a bit here. IDK I’d give Chaves a shot w/ him.

  265. Christine April 30th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Hey Gayle,

    I just saw this online for the NY Daily News:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo....._to_b.html

    It talks more about why Doc was at the game last night. He is sentimental and wanted to be there one last time.

    He concludes by saying he plans to be there tonight and tomorrow night and that “I want to see him (Sheffield) to well, but at the same time, I’m rooting for the Yankees.”

    :-)

  266. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    “If they are in it to win, then it’s time to find some starting pitching that can go, dare I say, 5 innings? 6, if we’re lucky?”

    G Love – I think the Yanks were worried that they would go get a 5-10 million dollar pitcher and have no room for him if Hughes and Kennedy pitched well (not to mention Joba to the rotation). However, now they need to act because they have their answer.

  267. gayle April 30th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Girardi–

    Morgan has been a 3rd baseman his ENTIRE career it is first base that is NOT his natural positon

  268. Yankee lover April 30th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Great points Jason and Pat, I`m on board. I don`t buy that the Yankees need to ever concern themselves with “farm development” as much as other teams do. Why?? because $$$$. As long as they contend they will have $$$ to do things. The farm is critical for small market teams as thats theri leverage to improve and stay in contention. The Yankees have $$$ as long as they contend. So you may not like the method but it works. Girardi is over managing. Sitting his best hitter of late Matsui two games in a row in Cleveland, ptiching Joba in a no win situation and then not being able to use him the next day, Having a rookie catcher catch a struggling Hughes last night, leaving Kennedy and Hughes in until the games are out of reach, Playing Ensburg like he is Scott Brosius, on and on. He wants to be a task master manager? why doesnt he tell Giambi that either he hits the ball the other way on occasion or he sits?

  269. Jason April 30th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Any news on today’s call up for A-Rod?

  270. Girardi on the DL April 30th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Ensburg isn’t a 3rd baseman anymore. Or haven’t you been watching the games, gayle?

    Would you call Giambi a first baseman? Just because they are playing the position, it doesn’t mean they should be.

  271. pat April 30th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    “It’s not that we’re spoiled Yankee fans.”

    That’s exactly what you sound like. I want it, I want it now and I don’t care what it costs.

  272. Theresa April 30th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

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    A literal lol on that Russian mail-order bride site comment. Also, couln’t agree more on your take of a semi-regular lineup (although to be fair to Girardi it has been hard with the injuries) and that the lack of hitting with risp has been killing them so far this year. The yanks really haven’t been blown out of many games this year even with the bad starting pitching perfomances from the kids. A little more clutch hitting could have produced a couple of more wins. But it is early and I certainly haven’t lost faith!

  273. gayle April 30th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Christine thanks for the link

  274. G.R. April 30th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Usually only have time to read a little, but I have to thank you, SJ44, for the most knowledgable, level-headed assessment of Phil Hughes and how to handle it that I have seen yet! I so appreciate your contributions to this blog! I know there are other great posters here, too, but today I just followed your posts concerning Phil and wanted to thank you! I hope management listens to you and does right by this young man!

  275. Jax April 30th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Brandon I watched that tape before. His tempo was so much better in 06. I don’t why the Yankees would mess with his mechanics like that. What ever motion comes natural to him let him use it.

  276. Yankee lover April 30th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Pat?

    spoiled? what does that mean? Wanting to win every year is being spoiled? Do the oil companies or any other business and stockholders get spoiled? You want to win don`t you? Is that bad? If the yankees, my team, didnt have the resources, I`d say they are doing the best they can, and I`d accept the results. With my yankees payroll and resources we should be doing at least what Boston is doing, and that getting to the World Series or being darn close

  277. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 30th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    NYPD113th
    April 30th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    I want to see Hughes9.00 take on Phils’ struggles on nyyfans.com
    .
    and we all could NOT care less what you want, meester !
    .
    regardless of what you think…..

  278. V April 30th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Yankee lover – you’re spoiled. Did you watch baseball prior to 2006? (I’m doubting it).

    ‘Your’ Yankees payroll and resources? Huh?

  279. G. Love April 30th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Spare me Pat. I went to games regularly as a kid and rooted for this team when Bobby Meacham was our SS and not our 3b coach. I’ve been through the Alvaro Espinoza, Dale Berra years.

    I’ve been a Yankee fan my whole life. I’ve seen us bring up lousy minor leaguers and I’ve seen us bring up good one’s.

    What we are seeing right now is lousy pitching from Hughes. I actually have a little more hope in Kennedy at this point. Hughes looks way above his head up here.

    Is he a bust? No. But a good GM will recognize the mistake and fix it to help his veteran contending team succeed. If the plan is keep trotting out the rooks for 3 innings a night for another month, Cashman should be fired.

    It’s time for plan B.

    It would have hurt, but I would have been fine with the team saying we need to part ways with Arod, Posada, Abreu, Mo in the off season if they went out and said we’re officially rebuilding and we no longer see the value in giving high dollar veteran contracts.

    But they can’t do that, because of what they charge the fans.

    So they are forced to act like contenders, which they would be if they had an average rotation.

    We’re 2 games out now, but when 3/5ths of the rotation is this unstable, you’re going to have a hard time cracking .500

  280. V April 30th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    1996, not 2006, rofl.

  281. Blargh April 30th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    Desire, by itself, isn’t spoiled (everybody wants to win)
    When you hit the point of expecting, and whining if it doesn’t happen, then you’re spoiled, as shown by the last sentence of your post

  282. V April 30th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    “We’re 2 games out now, but when 3/5ths of the rotation is this unstable, you’re going to have a hard time cracking .500″

    I’m calling it now – the Yankees will be in the playoffs, and Hughes, Kennedy, and Chamberlain will be in the rotation in September.

  283. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    “Brandon I watched that tape before. His tempo was so much better in 06. I don’t why the Yankees would mess with his mechanics like that. What ever motion comes natural to him let him use it.”

    I Know, I mean if Cashman wants to be serious about getting this kid right

    START FROM HERE
    and give it 100 % straight attention

  284. murphydog April 30th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Sorry guys, but booing Hughes just makes you look bad.

    He’s not getting the results you expected. Well, are you sure your expectations are reasonable? Should he really be doing that much better? And if your answer is “yes,” I’m especially curious to know what yardstick you have that allows you to conclude that a kid pitcher with Hughes’ experience is somehow so seriously under performing that it calls for boos. I’ll wait here patiently while one of you shows me the numbers on all 21 year old Yankee starters who have had four different catchers and who have gotten no run support.

    If you are comparing Hughes to Doc Gooden, Doc wasn’t the average kid pitcher. Then again, for all his confidence and early results, Gooden has been a failure at life in a lot of ways, including a too short baseball career. So maybe that kind of courage and early results ain’t what it’s cracked up to be. The point is that everybody is different.

    And yes, I suppose you have the right to be ignorant. But as Abe Lincoln once said, better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. And I would add this: if we assume you have the right to boo, then you also have to take responsibility for what happens as a result of your booing. Rights come with responsibilities. (They don’t teach that in school anymore because we live in a me-first society based solely on maximizing personal rights at the expense of obligations and duties to each other). If you boo Hughes, have you given a moment’s thought to what it might do to him rather than thinking only of your individual rights? I suppose the tough guy response is that it’s part of the game and he needs to deal with it.

    Seriously, people. This isn’t the movie theater where you yell at the projectionist if the sound is too low. Don’t delude yourselves. The Yankees don’t need your help when it comes deciding what’s best for Hughes. It’s a work in progress. Booing Hughes now might turn out to be like booing Albert Einstein in grammar school because he failed math; in the end you boo birds will look bad, not Hughes.

  285. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 30th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    So I take you guys have all head about hughes’ problem with the glare at night from Yankee Stadium lights?

    Has Phil made any daytime starts? If so, what are his stats then?

  286. Jax April 30th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Brandon notice his head is falling off to the first base side in the 07 and in 06 his head is straight forward?

  287. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Jax I don’t want to go into those type of things but Carlos Gomez’s article has been proved right a bit too much, IDK if the Yankees FO even acknowledge it, but if they did what Pittsburgh did w/ Oli Perez to Philip Hughes, I’m going to be extremely pissed off, if he drifts off the mound let him drift, get him away from Eiland ASAP

  288. Jeff NJ April 30th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    ok SJ44, Listening to Mussina interview on WFAN.Com. Good listen, the guy’s intellect to so apparent.

    Best thing I took from it was the way he talks about IPK. He said that IPK has such good command but he was using his mixed stuff right from pitch one, instead of aggressively going after strike one. Mussina bases this on the fact that the average batting average on the first pitch is a very low .200, so therefore just get strike one instead of pussy-footing around. I think IPK is a keeper.

  289. YankeeFan April 30th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    what if we just skipped hughes once through the rotation? maybe giving him some time to rest? his velocity seems to be lower than his norm.

    give ohlendorf a spot start in his place?

    worth a shot

  290. YankeeFan April 30th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    roto says hughes 1 day start = the same 9 era

  291. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Ohlendorf doesn’t have the ability to start, I watched him on Milb tv there is a reason hewas converted.

  292. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    he was * sorry I’m eating and typing one handed :)

  293. Jeff NJ April 30th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Ohlendorf is doing just fine in the pen, no reason to move him just yet. He’s a productive middle reliever, something we haven’t had in quite some time.

  294. Joe from Long Island April 30th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    murphydog – preaching personal responsibility? How 20th century (as my 20-year-old stepson would say)!

  295. Jax April 30th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Reading that quote from Eiland I’m starting to agree with you. lol
    Like I said let him do what comes natural to him.

    The problem with Cashman concerning Hughes mechanics is that he’s not a pitching guru. He’s putting his faith in his pitching coordinators/coaches to help out Hughes out. Nothing much he can do about unless someone brings it to his attention.

  296. TKinDC April 30th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Jeff -

    What I thought was interesting about what Moose said was that he seemed to think that IPK was closer than Phil to figuring things out. He outlined a specific plan for IPK whereas with respect to Phil he essentially said that Phil had to pull his entire game together – which sounded as much mental/emotional as it did mechanical.

  297. Dennis-Costanza (sox fan) April 30th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Smoltz to return to the bullpen after his stint on the 15 day DL.

    -dennis

  298. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Good article Brandon. I see your point with Eiland now. I agree with the natural 06 motion rather than trying to prevent some kind of injury with a foreign movement.

  299. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 April 30th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Thanks for that.

    Guess it’s a lot more than just the glare then.

  300. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Plus, I don’t like his head movement to first. To me, you always have to keep your eye on the strike zone. Don’t worry about Tabata line drives coming at your face lol

  301. gayle April 30th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Avery Johnson out in Dallas should hte KNicks go after him I say yes

  302. mel April 30th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    It’s 4-0 in a 1-hit game. 4BB, Single, error, sac fly.

    Scratch that, 5-0 in a 2-hit game.

    They batted around, and now they bring a reliever with 2 outs.

    Yow!

  303. the original SP April 30th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    James and SJ44
    Stop clinging to one game in the playoffs, or rather 3 or 4 innings. One game does not a good pitcher make. The whole picture of Hughes big league career is not a good one. Which is why you and other people are saying he needs to be sent down.

  304. Russell NY April 30th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    New post on Lohud Blog. Time to move the conversation there :)

  305. Jax April 30th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Russell with his head drifting to the first base side he can’t even see where he is finishing his pitches at.
    That’s just horrible mechanics.
    Maybe Eiland should be a concern now?

  306. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    on that YouTube video Braves GM Frank Wren while watching Hughes elevate some fastballs called it a bit of a blip in the radar, one wonders if the Yankees organization stopped him from drifting from the mound to an over the top delivery so that he would not leave pitches up, but in doing so he now can’t get the velocity of his fastball to where it was consistantly, if you leave a 95 mph fastball up Tabata in that clip proved it’s tough to hit, leave a 91 mph fastball up ?…

    Jax I’m thinking the same thing I mean if no one tells Cashman then nothing will be done but dammit I thought Cashman reads this blog.

    Give attention to that kid’s mechanics and I know Cashman reads this blog because I called Attorney general “Gonzo” and heard it last night so Cash maybe just maybe this

    CLICK HERE

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  307. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    “Maybe Eiland should be a concern now?”

    no not really because Dave has done splendid w/ everybody, just not Hughes

  308. bronxbomber77 April 30th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    “They also have to find a veteran starter somewhere. I’d call up Texas and ask for Millwood at this point. At least he’d keep us in games most nights and Texas isn’t going anywhere.”

    Ken Rosenthal made a similar call in his new gossip column.

    I surely hope the Yankees make a move or two to shore up the rotation. Whats up w/ Freddy Garcia? Could he eat some innings when he is healthy again and looking for work in June? Has he been signed?

    What about a trade for a Millwood-esque type player? If it helps take off some of the stress not only on The Phranchise or IPK, but ALSO Wang and Pettitte, I’m all for it.

    They need an innings eater. Period. Someone that can keep them in games and not blow out the bullpen by June. IMO.

    Whats up with all the drive-bys on here against SJ44 today? Whose Cheerios did he go ‘wee-wee’ in ?!?!?

    Easy, fellow fans. So much animosity and angst for a team at .500 after a crappy month-long schedule and a slew of injuries.

    Take a page from Rebecca’s book. Ever the Optimist !!!

    :)

  309. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") April 30th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    “They also have to find a veteran starter somewhere. I’d call up Texas and ask for Millwood at this point. At least he’d keep us in games most nights and Texas isn’t going anywhere.”

    he won’t come cheap in prospects and no I’m not into dealing prospects for Millwood to eat or not eat innings.

    “Ken Rosenthal made a similar call in his new gossip column.”

    that’s why he’s a fool

    “I surely hope the Yankees make a move or two to shore up the rotation. Whats up w/ Freddy Garcia? Could he eat some innings when he is healthy again and looking for work in June? Has he been signed?”

    Garcia is damaged goods last reports of him was fastballs at 84 mph

    “What about a trade for a Millwood-esque type player? If it helps take off some of the stress not only on The Phranchise or IPK, but ALSO Wang and Pettitte, I’m all for it.”

    and who do you have in mind trading for that ?

  310. trisha - Hughes needs to go down to AAA NOW. April 30th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    I personally am more than happy to use the AAA swinging door until Hughes gets his stuff together. I totally trust that he will. Right now he just looks lost. If he DOESN’T, then look for an established pitcher.

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