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Game 30: Tigers at Yankees

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 01, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Duncan 1B
Matsui DH
Cabrera CF
Ensberg 3B
Cano 2B
Moeller C
Kennedy RHP

Nate Robertson against the New York hittters.

Notes: Another day, another lineup. … The Yankees have yet to get swept this season. … IPK has yet to face any of the Detroit hitters. … Thanks to Brian Heyman for calling in the lineup.

UPDATE, 5:08 p.m.: Phil Hughes a stress fracture in his ninth rib, according to Joe Girardi. Hughes will be shut down for four weeks before he can start throwing again. That’s assuming he has healed by then.

Phil is also going to see an eye specialist tomorrow.

Terrible news for Phil. It’s unfortunate but he has not been able to stay healthy in his professional career. But he’s only 21.

UPDATE, 5:10 p.m.: Here is the injury history on Hughes:

2004: Made only three starts for the GCL Yankees because of a fractured toe on his left foot.

2005: Had two stints on the DL with shoulder inflammation.

2006: Only healthy season. Went 12-6 with a 2.16 ERA.

2007: Tore left hamstring on May 1 and did not return until Aug. 4.

2008: Stress fracture in rib cage.

You can say all you want about prospects in any sport. But the most important thing is being on the field. Until you can do that consistently, all the rest is window dressing.

The strange thing is that Phil really worked hard this spring to get in shape, showing up in Tampa early and then joining Andy Pettitte for his early morning workouts. Obviously it’s not his fault. Hopefully this is just a run of bad luck and he’ll move on and have a good career.

UPDATE, 5:21 p.m.: This press release from Major League Baseball:

The Office of the Commissioner of Baseball announced today that New York Yankees Minor League player Angel Reyes has received a 50-game suspension for testing positive for stanozolol metabolites, a performance-enhancing substance, in violation of the Minor League Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.

The suspension of Reyes will be effective at the start of the season for the Single-A Staten Island Yankees of the New York-Penn League.

Reyes is a lefty pitcher who has been in the organization since 2004.

UPDATE, 7:22 p.m.: That’s how it works, you throw strikes and have a fast inning then one of the big guys belts a three-run homer. Hopefully Kennedy can just relax and pitch his game. We’ve all seen that he can do it.

UPDATE, 7:38 p.m.: Brian Cashman said earlier tonight that Hughes could be out until July. So obviously he does have an injury and it was wrong of me to suggest otherwise last night. It’s still a bit murky as to when the team knew Hughes was injured, but that’s not the point now.

As the Yankees move forward, it’s pretty evident they’re going to need a starter from outside the organization. If not now, then next season. Hughes and Joba Chamberlain won’t be able to give them 200 innings in 2009.

It’s a shame. I’ve gotten to know Phil pretty well and he’s a good guy who did everything right over the winter and in spring training. Hopefully he’ll keep his head up and get through this. He should take a look at Josh Beckett’s history and realize that sometimes it just takes a while.

UPDATE, 7:56 p.m.: Wow, two outs and two strikes and suddenly the Tigers score three runs to take the lead with a double and a triple. Another rough outing for Kennedy.

UPDATE, 8:19 p.m.: It wouldn’t seem possible for Robbie Cano to have two hits over 29 at-bats. The person this team misses most isn’t Joe Torre or Don Mattingly, it’s Larry Bowa. They need somebody to get this bunch going, especially Cano.

UPDATE, 8:39 p.m.: If Ian Kennedy can’t be trusted to get the final out in the fifth inning of a one-run game, then he doesn’t belong in the rotation. Joe Girardi did the right thing there by bringing in Albaladejo. It also speaks to the lack of faith he has in Kennedy – which is justified. That said, I’d rather see Kennedy than Kei Igawa.

UPDATE, 9:54 p.m.: The Tigers have 11 hits and eight of them are for extra bases. I don’t know if they can overcome their horrid start to make the playoffs, but that Detriot lineup is going to make a lot of teams miserable this season.

UPDATE, 10:23 p.m.: Just another long, fruitless game for the Yankees. They are 2 for 8 with runners in scoring position headed into the ninth inning. It’s shocking to see them get swept at home. The Tigers are a good team but the Yankees shouldn’t be that bad a team. This next few weeks will be a test of the team’s ability to stay together in the face of adversity.

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1,109 Responses to “Game 30: Tigers at Yankees”

  1. Elizabeth--Melky in CF 08 and Beyond! May 1st, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Melky rose to the challenge and did a great job hitting sixth yesterday. I hope it continues.

  2. Scorpio May 1st, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Thanks! Lineup disection time.

  3. al arodien May 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    If Kennedy loses The State troopers should close down the GWB upper level!!!!!

  4. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    In 13 at bats, Giambi is slugging .850 off of Robertson, with an OPS over 1.400.

    I can’t believe I’m saying this, but, uh, why is he sitting?

  5. Scorpio May 1st, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Giambi is sitting because Girardi is a contrarian to his own detriment.

    Another bonehead Girardi move to add to my list.

  6. saucY May 1st, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    better defense behind one of the younger pitchers, perhaps?

  7. Stephen May 1st, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    The less Giambi, the better.

    But jeez, these lineups. Giradi is channeling his inner LaRussa.

  8. 56Bomber May 1st, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Duncan batting cleanup. Wow.

  9. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Shelley Duncan at cleanup? Did I read that correctly?

  10. Chris May 1st, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Pete -
    Do you really think is makes a difference that the lineup is different every day? I hear people complain sometimes, but it shouldn’t really matter, right?

  11. saucY May 1st, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    we lost last night, but remember, there’s always at least one loss right before a winning streak. maybe last night’s was that one…

  12. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Doreen: Yeah.

  13. rb15 May 1st, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    I like this lineup!

    Whoa … did I really just write that?

  14. Francis The Praying Mantis May 1st, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    If Im an oposing pitcher, Id be trembling looking at that line up.

  15. Daver May 1st, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Giambi is sitting because…
    - he is batting 0.000 vs. lefties this season
    - past performance is no indication of future performance.

    Entire Season TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
    vs Left-handed Pitcher New York Yankees 15 17 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 4 4 0 1 .261 .000 .000

  16. Sterling Steiner May 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    I’m tired of Girardi just putting guys wherever his pen leads him. It’s starting to get me PO’d.

  17. Francis The Praying Mantis May 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    What are the Yankees numbers against bad left handed pitchers? Theyve got to be even worse than their overall numbers against left handed pitching.

  18. Daver May 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Here is better formatting of Giambi’s stats vs. Lefties so far:

    G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
    15 17 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 4 4 0 1 .261 .000 .000

  19. Fredo Corleone May 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    “better defense behind one of the younger pitchers, perhaps?”

    Shelley Duncan does NOT represent better defense behind a pitcher, young or otherwise.

  20. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    I do like Melky batting sixth. He’s been our go-to guy this year.

  21. al arodien May 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Why is giambi sitting when he has a .538 batting avrege against nate robertson???!!! Can anybody explain that?!!!

  22. G. Love May 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Shelley in the 4 hole. I love it!

  23. Stephen May 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Does anyone know how Girardi handled his lineups with Florida? Injuries have screwed things up so far this season, but did Girardi tinker with the Marlins lineup too?

  24. saucY May 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Daver, if you use the word “code”, like blockquote, it gives you more of a fixed width text. only problem is multiple spaces:

    G..AB.R.H.2B.3B.HR.RBI.TB.BB.SO.SB.CS.OBP.SLG.AVG
    15.17.0.0.0..0..0..1...0..4..4..0..1..261.000.000

  25. SteveHoweYouDoin May 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    What changes could you POSSIBLY make to this line-up, and why, exactly?

    Good L,R throughout. Rather have Ensberg at #4? Rather bat Abreu and Matsui back to back at #s 3 and 4? Why?

    Stop bitching and offer your alternatives.

  26. Amanda from La. May 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    can’t watch the game tonight, best of luck to IPK!

  27. saucY May 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    so Fredo, you like giambi’s D better?

  28. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Giambi is 0-for the season against lefties. To me, that’s the only relevent statistic.

    He’s barely hitting anybody. When you can’t hit lefties, you can’t play.

    Frankly, I could care less about the lineup at this point.

    Nine guys will bat tonight. Somebody has to hit.

  29. Scorpio May 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    “past performance is no indication of future performance”

    I guess the use of stats in sports is pointless then.
    Sabermetricticians beware!

    P.S.
    Personally, I’m glad Giambi is sitting but this goes against what Girardi has been preaching, he says he’s going by numbers hence benching Matsui even thought he had the hotter bat but maybe this is a sign that Giambi has tried his patience too much.

  30. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    IPK

    5.2 8 3 3 3 4

    and most importantly…. a W

  31. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Scorpio -

    Since Giambi hasn’t got a hit off any lefties this season, I would say Girardi is going by the numbers. Not a single hit. Not one. It’s a good bet that in spite of his numbers against Robertson in past seasons, during this particular season, he’s not showing very well against any lefties.

  32. Rhapsody in Blue May 1st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    No Giamboid.

  33. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    did I read that right ! Duncan swinging 4th ?

  34. Fredo Corleone May 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    “so Fredo, you like giambi’s D better?”

    It’s like picking the leper with the most fingers, but yes I like Giambi’s defense better.

  35. Mr. Exceptional May 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Good thing Shelley “Keith Hernandez” Duncan is over at first. That should sure things up nicely.

  36. Scorpio May 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Doreen,

    Good points. I’m not sad that Giambi’s not in. I’m just praying we won’t get swept!

  37. saucY May 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    haha, fair enough…

  38. Drew May 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    In the early going, Girardi doesn’t seem to be going by the numbers too much. Giambi has been stinking up the joint, but tonight wouldn’t be the time to take him out.

  39. bigjf May 1st, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Duncan cleaning up? Yikes!

    Cano, we need you now!!!

  40. MikeEff -Bring Shelley Back May 1st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    there’s an argument that matsui should hit 4th, but this way you have duncan’s righty bat in between bobby and godzilla—also shelley might get some thing decent to hit with matsui protecting him

  41. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    What’s going to get more comments tonight? The lack of Giambi or Shelley batting fourth?

  42. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    I sense ambiguity about Jason. :)

    When he’s in there everyday, it’s “how can he be playing Giambi? Put Duncan in there, he can’t do any worse.”

    So, today, Duncan is in for Giambi, and it’s “Oh my Gosh, Duncan at FIRST? No GIAMBI?!”

    Not so easy, is it? :)

    We are a schizophrenic, very difficult to please bunch, are we not?

  43. saucY May 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    MikeEff – time to update that username!

  44. jennifer May 1st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Jason hit over .500 against Robertson, and what did he do? Nothing! That is why he is sitting. YOu can’t go by past numbers with him.

  45. Joe from Long Island May 1st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Guys, the lineup doesn’t matter. What does matter is how Ian Kennedy pitches. That will be the biggest determinant of whether the Yanks win.

  46. frits May 1st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    “it’s like picking the leper with the most fingers”.

    wow, that is a fantastic analogy. hilarious!

  47. bigjf May 1st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Doreen,

    Giambi may not have 1 hit against a lefty yet, but he does tend to draw a boatload of walks and get on base. Not saying Giambi should clean up tonight, but he could be in there.

    But here’s hoping Shelley can swing it tonight!

  48. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    “there’s an argument that matsui should hit 4th, but this way you have duncan’s righty bat in between bobby and godzilla—also shelley might get some thing decent to hit with matsui protecting him”

    good point, still weird though :?

  49. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    go get’em BAM BAM

  50. ferches May 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    I have been just hating Joe G this season. cannot get a call right until now.

  51. SteveHoweYouDoin May 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Rebecca –

    The guess here is the most comments will be about IPK.

    That kid is officially under a magnifying glass. With Hughes on the DL, less magnification maybe by the organization (because right now he’s not getting demoted), but moreso by the fans.

    Tough lineup for him to face – he needs to be crisp.

  52. jennifer May 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Oops never mind, we are facing Robertson tonight.

  53. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Why wouldn’t tonight be the night to take him out? Have you seen him at the plate? He’s awful.

    He could get 3 hits a game if he just hits the ball to left field. He won’t do it.

    He continues to hit into the shift and continues to be awful.

    His past numbers are just that. The past.

    At some point, you have to look at the evidence in front of you and right now, Jason Giambi can’t hit lefties.

    0-17 is just that. 0-17.

    Frankly, he shouldn’t play at all. But, that’s another issue for another day.

    Why is Girardi changing the lineup so much? Oh, I don’t know, perhaps he is searching for a combination since NOBODY is hitting and his best two hitters are on the DL.

    Its not like he has appealing options.

    Like I said earlier, I could care less about the lineup. Unless the rules change, they will have 9 hitters bat tonight, correct?

    If that’s the case, its time for whomever is in the lineup to hit.

    Girardi can’t be second guessed putting a .150 hitter on the bench who also happens to be the worst defensive player in baseball.

  54. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    He’s had 4 walks against lefties and 4 strikeouts. I don’t know. When else is Duncan going to get at bats? He’s not going to be in against righties. This is his opportunity.

  55. Joe from Long Island May 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Who else is Joe going to hit 4th? If he uses Matsui, that’s two lefties (Abreu) in a row. The righty choices are Shelley, Ensberg, Chad Moeller, and Melky (switch hitter). I guarantee any of those would generate anguish, also. And if Abreu is moved from 3rd in favor of a righty, then you’re changing someone’s spot in the lineup again.

  56. MikeEff -Protect Shelley's Quad May 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    SaucY— thanks for the reminder :)

  57. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    don’t forget that attrocious D on 1B, but Jetes hasn’t exactly thrown the ball well over there :?

  58. SteveHoweYouDoin May 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    How is Juan Miranda’s glove?

  59. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    better than Jason’s

  60. CM May 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    I hope the fans are a li’l easier on IPK tonight than they were on Hughes the other night. I was at that game and could not believe the way he got booed coming off the mound. He’s a 21 yr. old kid and the future of the organization, not some high-priced free-agent expected to win 15-20 games.

    I was pretty disappointed with the fans in general, to be honest. I don’t know if it’s because this is the last season at Yankee Stadium and a majority of the crowd is made up of tourists, corporate types and front-runners, or if the Yankee fan has just become spoiled, but I was embarrassed to be a Yankee fan the other night.

    The game started with 1/3 of the place empty and, by the 7th, it was 1/2 empty, at least. Then, with Cano up in the bottom of the ninth as the tying run the place was DEAD. Nobody making any noise. Everybody just waiting to get out to their cars to get warm.

    In the beginning of the season I thought the Yankees would have a huge home-field advantage playing in the final season of Yankee Stadium to packed, energized houses, but it may end up being a detriment if all these tickets were bought up by corporate-types, tourists, and bandwagon jumpers. I implore the real, die-hard Yankee fans out there to get out there, fill the place up and show the boy some love. What I saw the other night made me sick.

  61. MikeEff -Protect Shelley's Quad May 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    shelley made some awesome plays this weekend playing first against cleveland

  62. Daver May 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    I am glad Giambino is sitting on the pine. Perhaps he should be put on the DL with a “pull to the right side”. He can rest and work on being able to hit the ball to the left.

  63. CM May 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    I meant “show the boys some love”. Thanks.

  64. mel May 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    SJ44,

    But the stats don’t lie! lol.

    I haven’t watched every game Giambi’s played in, does anyone know how many walks he’s drawn? In general or statistically?

  65. SteveHoweYouDoin May 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    CM – are there many tickets available for tourists? I thought most games were sold out?

    It’s April. Season ticket holders from NJ or LI likely aren’t interested in an April game when it’s 50 degrees at 9 pm.

    Agree on the booing. I’d like to think that it’s collective – those boos are pent up for the whole team. Hughes just gave’em an excuse to let them loose.

  66. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    CM: The majority of the Yankee fanbase around my age is spoiled–I was 10 when they won in 1996 and I don’t remember the last time they missed the playoffs (you’d have to go back to 1993, when I was all of seven years old!)

  67. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Mel,

    Not enough walks to justify being in the lineup.

    He’s there to drive in runs. Not draw walks.

    Giambi drawing walks, which he doesn’t do much of anymore, is not enough to keep him in the lineup when he is 0-the season against lefties.

  68. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    “One month was enough patience for the youth movement. Gotta go back to signing aging vets.”

    it doesn’t have to be all or nothing.
    i’d like to see some of the strength of the minor league system used to add some veteran depth to the pitching.
    i know it’s a hit to anyone who wholeheartedly backed the all out youth movement, but to be in denial that there s a real problem right now isn’t going to help.
    there is a serious problem right now , and i don’t see the the yankees solving it totally in house this year. in my opinion, if the yankees stick to the original plan they won’t be seeing the playoffs.
    that said, i hope they mostly stick to the youth plan , but stay flexible if the right veteran pitcher becomes available.

    with the constraints of what girardi has right now, how is he supposed to come up with a great lineup? nate robertson can be a tough lefty. he’s one of the few pitchers who stands up ortiz when he’s hot and then strikes him out low and away. i can see sitting giambi for duncan.

  69. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Mel,

    15 walks in 23 games. Not a whole lot, really, considering.

  70. SteveHoweYouDoin May 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    FYI – Kay pretty vocal about Giambi’s refusal to push the ball the other way. Feels it’s time for Girardi to demand it.

    The word I have yet to hear used so far re: this is “selfish”. I think it’s time that one be used. The guy has hit some big homers for NY, no question. But it’s time that he recognize being on base 40% of the time is better for the team than homering 8% of the time.

  71. mel May 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Thanks, guys. I knew that he wasn’t getting the free pass as much, even with his good eye.

  72. CM May 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    You know, Rebecca, I was thinking of this during the whole O’Neill debate about how the mainstream press was on O’Neill’s side while the blogosphere was on Hawkins, and whether that had anything to do with age or not. I was celebrating my 30th birthday at the game the other night and was 18 when they won in ’96. I grew up with the Yankees being terrible. So, there is definitely a whole generation of fnas who doesn’t know what it’s like to lose.

    As for Steve’s comments on NJ and LI ticket holders, I’m from the Jersey Shore. That was probably one of two or three times I’ll have a chance of being there again. I don’t care how cold it was or what the score was, I’ll be damned if I’m gonna sit on my hands at the end of the game with the tying run at the plate.

    Maybe it means more to me than others, but for a fanbase that prides itself on being so kowledgeable and supportive and the greatest fans in the world, what I saw Tuesday night bothered the hell out of me.

  73. William Buckner May 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    I often hear, giambi should just bunt, or half swing to the left side of field. Then the counter, well it’s not that easy maybe he cant do it.

    I know its not something he practices, but A. he should and B. if you show it, teams then have to respect it.

    What do I know, Sidney Ponson just pitched 8 innings for a win and phil hughes cant get through 3. Please tell me if any pigs are flying outside your windows.

  74. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    I would never say he’s selfish. Foolish. Stubborn. Unable to execute in games that count (he was able to hit the other way in spring training, right?). But not selfish. I would have to say at this point, to me, he’s shown he is simply not capable of making the adjustments, because any fool could see that if he could make the adjustments, he’d have a few more hits, but he’d also not be facing such a drastic shift all the time.

    I know, I know. It’s easier said than done – they pitch him to pull the ball. I know. But isn’t that what he worked on this spring and last? I think he just CAN’T do it.

  75. Drew May 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    “FYI – Kay pretty vocal about Giambi’s refusal to push the ball the other way. Feels it’s time for Girardi to demand it.”

    Kay is such a doof…Giambi did hit the ball well to left-center last night for a sac fly and he has to do it more often.

  76. rb15 May 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    SteveHowe, you’re right. Even Ortiz – the man that shift was invented for – occasionally pops one to left or bunts down the third base line. Giambi is being SELFISH (there – I said it). I would rather see him lay down a sac bunt and advance a runner, than hit one more line drive right at someone. I’m sure he’ll hit better than 180 eventually, but right now, he needs to try something different – especially when the team’s having such a problem pushing runs across.

  77. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    I’m up at Syracuse for another week, so logistically it would be near impossible for me to get to Yankee games until I return home.

    That said, I’ve got tickets to two games (I’m not supposed to know about one of the games but my brother is very good at spoiling surprises). I’ll probably go to others as well, but I need to do things like figuring out the rest of my life first. Minor details, really.

  78. Joe May 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Giambi owns Kenny Rogers the way he owns Robertson, yet the other night he didn’t get a hit until the 9th inning, when Rogers was long gone. To rely on past numbers with Jason is a mistake, sometimes, you have to put the book down and trust what you see.

  79. Law and Order May 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Maybe the reason the offense is in such a terrible state is because the guys can’t get use to where they are in the lineup. I would think it would negatively affecting having to bat in a different slot from day to day. Don’t these guys like the routine of knowing where they “belong” each day?

  80. Patrick May 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Last night Giambi could have bunted to the right side with bases loaded and get 1 maybe 2 RBI’s and keep it at only 1 out. He actually made decent contact and hit it into left center. Still, he could have easily slapped it to the left side for a 2 RBI single. If he can’t do that he shouldn’t be in the majors.

  81. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    WOW a big difference from Arod batting cleanup and now Duncan. It might even be hard for the Yanks to score there usual 2 runs tonight.

  82. Mr. Exceptional May 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Giambi has to go and Cashman is too stubborn to cut him loose.

    You’d think if Cashman would just build a smart team from the start of the year he wouldn’t have to fix it on the fly all the time.

  83. Patrick May 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Even Ortiz – the man that shift was invented for –

    To be fair, opposing teams were shifting on Giambi before Ortiz was any good.

  84. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Olendorf should be ready in the 2nd inning for his 4 inning relief appearance.

  85. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    CM -

    My husband and I have often commented how it always seems like the fans at the Stadium don’t get going until the Yankees are in the middle of a rally. They aren’t loud and boisterous to create excitement; they’re passive in that they only get excited if the moment presents itself. The result is that over the t.v. at least, it seems awfully quiet at YS most of the time. In contrast to a lot of other stadiums where the fans start cheering to try and get something going at the beginning of an inning. And if someone gets on, they cheer like it’s already a rally.

    We’ve thought maybe the sound at YS (electronically, that is) isn’t as good as at other stadiums with respect to how it’s picked up by television, but I don’t know.

    It’s that NY attitude — show me what you can do, THEN, I’ll show you the love. That’s the cousin attitude of “what have you done for me lately?”.

  86. Patrick May 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    “You’d think if Cashman would just build a smart team from the start of the year he wouldn’t have to fix it on the fly all the time.”

    Yeah if only Cashman had the forsight to know that A-rod and Posada would be injured. What a hack!

    Honestly, is there a single team in the majors that has the same 25 guys throughout an entire season?

  87. SteveHoweYouDoin May 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Giambi’s Batting Averages from 1996 – 2002:

    .291, .293, .295, .315, .333, .342, 314

    Granted, if you bite into most of these, you may find a creamy HGH filling, but I’ve always remembered Jason as having known how to HIT.

    He used to beat the Yankees on balls into the LCF gap.

    I agree, though Doreen, that he’s getting busted inside so much, he almost has no choice but to jerk the ball.

    (If I hear him say again in a postgame “Hey, I’m hitting the ball hard”, my remote will taste drywall.)

  88. CM May 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Rebecca, I’m not urging everyone on these comment threads to head out to the Stadium tomorrow, I just expect more out of the fans that are there. It’s the last season at the single most famous building in sports. The least the fans could do is show up if they have tickets and make some noise once they show up. If not, then they should stop patting themselves on the back for what a great group of fans they are.

  89. rb15 May 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Patrick – really? That extreme shift where the ss plays on the right side of second base? I thought the Rays did it to Ortiz for the first time a few years back. No?

  90. JGNYC (Respect The Giambino!!!) May 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Giambi’s ability to draw walks somewhat negates his current poor average, helping him score more runs than anyone else on the team not named Damon, Cabrera, or Rodriguez – despite the fact that he is 8th in plate appearances for the team. Bad defense aside, scoring runs for this team can’t be a bad thing, can it? The team is 9th in walks, 10th in runs scored, and 11th in OBP. Coincidence?

  91. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    As I understand it, Giambi used to hit to all fields when he played for Oakland, right? I understand the short porch is tempting, but that shouldn’t be the only reason for Jason to have become a strict pull hitter. Does it have to do with bat speed? Is it coming off the PEDs? Is it age? Is it a combination of everything?

  92. Rhapsody in Blue May 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Carmen Miranda’s glove was better tha Jason’s

  93. Rhapsody in Blue May 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Carmen Miranda’s glove was better than Jason’s.

  94. Reggie44 May 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    A truly amazing story in the NY Times today about an opposing softball team carrying a hobbled hitter around the bases after a home run. (Long story short – girl hits homerun, buckles knee rounding first – shades of Jack Clark, for those fans who remember – she can’t move, first base(wo)man carries her around the bases…)

    http://tinyurl.com/483b5h

    Can anyone imagine Shelly Duncan or the Giambino playing first and picking up a hobbled Red Sox rookie to touch ‘em all?

    Pete – I think that’s your screenplay to write.

  95. jennifer May 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Just a note to those who think the Yankees are making up this injury to Hughes. Now think about this, if they just sent him down it would be for a min of 2 starts (10 days), he could get himself righted in 2 starts. Now they put him on the dl that is a min of 3 starts, and they are saying that he won’t touch a ball for 6-7 days, than he’ll throw off flat ground, than half mound, than full mound, than games. Do you realize how much further back that pushes him!!!

  96. stuart May 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    the reason giambi is not playing tonight scorpion is a few reasons; he sucks, terrible against lefties look it up, he is so fragile if he plays too much he will break, and it is a long season..

    Therefore Girardi is correct even if Duncan goes 0 for 5, the bottom line is Giambi hits the ball to 1/3 of the friggin field, he SUCKS…He also cannot field and is slower then me, besides that he is well worth his $20 mill this yr…

  97. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Giambi’s woes are likely the result of a combination of factors.

  98. Patrick May 1st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    SteveHowYouDoin -

    Yeah Giambi wasn’t just a slugger with Oakland, he was a hitter. I remember during our playoff series vs the A’s he was the only guy hitting and it seemed like every at bat he would be ripping doubles, singles, homers.

    They always say steroids can’t teach you how to hit. Maybe once he stopped juicing he lost batspeed and now he doesn’t have enough control of the bat to go opposite way, etc.

  99. CM May 1st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Doreen, I think you’re right, but, unfortuantely it wasn’t always that way. The Yankees success I think has created that atmosphere. Too may people at Yankee Stadium are there because it’s Yankee Stadium, just another place to visit on the way to the Empire State Building and Statue of Liberty. The other problem is the increase of season ticket holders who buy seats they never intend on using. The end result is a stadium with empty seats and passive fans. The fact that this is the Stadium’ last year makes the problem worse. To a 30 year fan who looks forward to the one or two times a year I can go, and remembers what a treat it was the first time my father took me to see Mattingly and Winfield, it’s just disappointing to find that lack of electricity.

  100. jennifer May 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Why would they push him back like that? And why would they have it be an injury that is very difficult to come back from. See Albert, and Bobby. If they wanted to lie, why not say something different? Like back pain.

  101. Mr. Exceptional May 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    “Honestly, is there a single team in the majors that has the same 25 guys throughout an entire season?”

    Ummm, obviously no. Are there teams that have a flexible bench and depth in the staff…yes.

    Please…lots of apologist here.

  102. SteveHoweYouDoin May 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Giambi and Timlin should both retire and do barnstorming HR derbys at retirement homes throughout the Midwest.

  103. Patrick May 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    “Patrick – really? That extreme shift where the ss plays on the right side of second base? I thought the Rays did it to Ortiz for the first time a few years back. No?”

    Actually I’m pretty sure the shift was employed against Ted Williams.

  104. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    I don’t think Cashman anticipated 20% of his Opening Day Roster being on the DL on May 1. Led by Arod and Posada.

    Its kind of tough to hit him for that.

    Let’s examine the lineup tonight:

    Damon, Jeter and Abreu are in their usual spots in the order.

    Duncan hitting cleanup? He’s hitting between two lefties.

    The Tigers aren’t only starting a lefty tonight, they have 2 in their bullpen. Seems to make sense to have a righty hitting between 2 lefties.

    Melky is hitting 6th. Right now, he’s hitting better than the other guys below him in the lineup.

    Cano breaks up 2 righties.

    The lineup makes sense. Whining about it doesn’t. At least to me.

  105. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    I still think Giambi is juicing is neck is thick and he’s still very big. If that’s the case it’s not helping him hit except for the occasional HR.

  106. Frankie speaking .... May 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Giambi’s stats vs. Nate Robertson have no relevance. His deteriorating skills are the concern.
    The very least he can do is hit the ball down the left field line to be a baserunner but he obviously won’t nor will it be asked of him.

  107. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    MikeEff-You should have “SUPPORT DUNCAN HAND BASH.GOT ICE?”

    Im glad Giambi is sitting on the bench. Hopefully it wont just be for today. Give Shelley a week in the lineup to find his rythem. Giambi got more than that and failed.

    mel-One more series away from colliding. Spurs-Lakers. Cant wait

  108. rb15 May 1st, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    patrick – no way. huh. consider me flummoxed.

    i still say giambi should lay down a bunt. or at this point, just catch the ball and then throw it into left field. maybe nobody will notice?

  109. CM May 1st, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    I don’t think it’s worth too many people’s time to be worrying about Giambi or Duncan. It’s a good sign of the injuries and what a slow start the rest of the lineup is off to, that it’s this much of a concern. If, over the course of a season, our playoff hopes hinge on the performance of either Jason or Shelley, then Cashman has truly done a terrible job as a GM. The guys who are hurt will be back, Cano and others will come around, and Giambi and Duncan will both be what they are: solid role players. The true concern right now is pitching, but I advise everyone to take a deep breath and look at the calendar. If we have these problems at the trading deadline, start sweating.

  110. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    “Honestly randy half of your posts make no sense.”- patrick

    right you probably are are, but the problem for you is , on any given comment, that i’m not sure you know enough to know which half you’re looking at.

    ortiz can bunt because he grew up in the twins system where everyone learns to bunt. it’s not going to happen with giambi. you may be right about him not having enough pop to go the other way now.

    if giambi was looking to go the other way, i don’t think he’d have the 5 home runs.

  111. mel May 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    SoS,

    May the best team win. :)

    Just kidding, I’m not looking past…I don’t even know who we’re playing! Either Jazz on Sunday or Rockets on Tuesday.

  112. Joe from Long Island May 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    SJ, making sense isn’t important to some. Only moaning. I’m and expert in this behavior – I see it from my son on a daily basis (lol)!

  113. rb15 May 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....e_bizarre/

    patrick – this shift. i was right – rays v. ortiz, 2006.

    i love oritz’s quote halfway down: “If I was 0 for 20, I would have bunted.”

    um, jason? any comment?

  114. MikeEff -Protect Shelley's Quad May 1st, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    SoS : Ha!

  115. Eugie May 1st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    I am now convinced that Joe Girardi is playing to lose.

    As much as I’m not a fan of Jason Giambi and would love him off of this team… just look at the numbers he has against this pitcher… WHY WOULD YOU SIT A GUY WHO’s HITTING OVER .500 AGAINST THE OPPOSING PITCHER?

    He doesn’t have to be at first. He could DH! I just don’t get it.

  116. Jerkface May 1st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    RB15:

    To be fair, you were both right. Teams have been using shifts for decades. The one described in the article hasn’t even been used on Ortiz in years. He gets a pretty normal pull hitter shift now.

  117. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    When Jason Giambi signed his 120 million dollar contract with the Yankees, he was an all field hitter.

    He had gap to gap power and used the entire field.

    Year by year, he became more of a pull hitter.

    Now, its all he does.

    The irony is, he spent the spring hitting the ball the other way and looked better at the plate than he has in years.

    Now, think about it for a minute. You are hitting .160. Why not go back to doing what you were doing when you hit in the spring? Its a game of adjustments. Make the adjustment.

    The other night, the bases are loaded and its the PERFECT time to hit the ball the other way. What does he do? He pops out chasing a changeup in the dirt he was trying to drive.

    I’m sorry but, when your team is struggling, you have to do other things to help them win. He doesn’t, so he sits.

    Personally, I’d wish he would sit against lefties AND righties.

    He can’t help this team. The past is the past and his game is WAY in the past.

    The lesson to be learned is, you don’t give 7 year contracts to guys with bad bodies and who are 30 and over. I don’t care how much the fans howl for you to do it.

    His contract and his game has been an albatross around the Yankees for years.

    Next year will be a breath of fresh air when they are actually rid of the contract.

    Hopefully, they won’t make the same mistake again this off-season with another “must sign to a bad contract” guy.

  118. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    The “Shift”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infield_shift

  119. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    mel,
    If i were you id be rooting for the rockets. Utah is a scary team. Good at home,big men shoot the long range shots,excellent point guard that can break a defense down. I would pass on all that.
    Spurs have their hands full with the mvp paul. But i think they will let him get his and shut down the rest of the team.

    MikeEff-One more.”Duncan.Laying the smack down on ya!”

  120. Patrick May 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    “http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/04/19/game_shifted_into_the_bizarre/

    patrick – this shift. i was right – rays v. ortiz, 2006.

    i love oritz’s quote halfway down: “If I was 0 for 20, I would have bunted.”

    um, jason? any comment?”

    Ah ok, you mentioned the shift where the SS was on the right side of 2B, I thought you were referring to the regular shift used against Giambi, Ortiz, etc. The original over-shift was used against Ted Williams and I’m pretty sure he was the first one. He refused to bunt to the left too, maybe Giambi thinks he’s Ted Williams 2.0?

    Giambi should definitely be bunting, at least a few times to keep the other teams honest. Even yesterday with the bases loaded the entire left side was open. He could have had a 2 RBI single with almost no effort.

  121. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Bad news guys.

    http://www.weather.com/weather.....ayer=radar

    The radar does not look good, at all.

  122. pat May 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Girardi interview coming up on WFAN. He’s usually pretty calm with them but this could be the week he gets cranky because Chris has said the Yanks are lying about Phil being hurt.

  123. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    “Hopefully, they won’t make the same mistake again this off-season with another “must sign to a bad contract” guy.”

    Don’t talk about Texiera that way!

    Honestly, we have one year to go on our long 1b nightmare. What a treat it will be to have an infield where the first baseman can field his position and even (i know it is hard to believe but it is possible) throw to 2nd base on occasion.

  124. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Because Eugie, he is 0-17 for the season against lefties.

    Why is that so hard to understand? Are you so caught up in the splits, you don’t consider how the player is looking now?

    I think Joe Girardi wants to win more than you want him to win. In fact, I know that to be the case because its his job.

    Its also his job to get a guy out of the lineup who is hitless for the season against lefties.

    Here is another stat to consider. Since August of last year, Jason Giambi has the second lowest batting average in baseball for everyday players. Its .185. The only player worse? Gary Sheffield.

    I’ll leave it to everybody to discuss what they have in common.

  125. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    http://www.weather.com/weather.....ayer=radar

    Radar does not look good.

  126. CM May 1st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Very much looking forward to the Girardi interview on WFAN. Russo’s been slamming the Yanks on a number of topics today (as well as accusing them of lying about Hughes) and he already promised one caller he was gonna go after Girardi.

  127. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Just looked at the radar, it doesn’t look good for getting tonight’s game in.

  128. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Tk,

    I was thinking CC! lol

    Honestly, I think Tex goes to Baltimore. Its the buzz everybody around the game believes at this time.

    I’m sure the Yankees will go full bore for him.

    But, he and his wife are Md. people and its always been his dream to play for the Orioles.

    I’d love to see him in the Bronx but, we shall see.

  129. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    pat -

    Do you they they’ll have the nerve to come out and directly ask him if Hughes’ injury is legit?

  130. rb15 May 1st, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    right, that shift. THE shift. :) looks like we’re all talking about the same thing, or different things. but we all know that there’s a regular shift, and then also the extreme shift for ortiz c. 2006 and some other players. i’m relieved that i’m not actually insane.

    but obviously, it’s time for me to go home now. have a great night, everyone! go yankees!

  131. Felix May 1st, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    The problem so far this year is that no one has really hit their stride on the yankees…I know I know its May but these things happen, Jeter may have gotten old over the winter (that happens to mid 30′s athletics) and so have, maybe, alot of other yankees. Cano hmmmmm who knows maybe Rod Carew… Giambi… yeah think anyone will offer him anymore than a cool mill next year since he has been slowed(sucky) as of late. Johny Damon looks like he is pretty old in the field as well.
    ???

  132. Jeremy May 1st, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    I don’t think Teixeira will go to Baltimore because they will not give him the megacontract he will command.

  133. hughman May 1st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    I hear Phil Hughes strained his oblique singing karaoke with Miley Cyrus.

  134. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    SJ44 -

    Especially if Baltimore has a decent season. They’re off to a much better start than anyone expected, and no one thinks they’ll keep it up at this pace. But even if they keep it up a little, I think the draw for Teixeira is going to be to go play for the Orioles.

    Of course, I’m holding my breath, because I’d love to have him on the Yankees, but in the long run who knows if it would work out? Giambi was supposed to work out, too.

  135. saucY May 1st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    CM – just checked out your blog. great stuff!

  136. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Giambi says he doesnt take batting practice on the field because he doesnt want to see the short right field porch and start pulling the ball? What the hell does he think he’s doing?
    Solution. Stop taking batting practice in a cage. Instead take batting practice on the field and maybe it will have the opposite effect for you. Like learning how to hit balls to left.
    So its one of two things.
    a.pull hitter .250 avg.
    b.hit to all fields and be .300 hitter again.

    If the choice is a. All i have to say is 5 more months count down.

  137. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    “i still say giambi should lay down a bunt. or at this point, just catch the ball and then throw it into left field. maybe nobody will notice?”

    If Giambi could catch the ball, yeah, that people would notice.

  138. CanIGetAMooseCall May 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    I assume Shelley Duncan has embarrassing information on Joe Girardi. Blackmail is the only possible explanation.

  139. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    giambi might put out an eye or worse if he tried to bunt.

    he doesn’t know how to bunt.

    it’s not a skill you just throw into the mix.

  140. blackdragon905 May 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    hughes has a stress fracture girardi just said, won’t do anything for at least six weeks ugh

  141. pat May 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Hughes has a stress fracture in a rib

  142. blackdragon905 May 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    i meant four weeks

  143. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    You mean you have a problem with 300 pound lefties? Me too!

    I think a lot will depend on Pettitte and also on whether IPK, Joba and Phil are realistic members of the 2009 rotation.

    The idea of putting over $100 mill into a starting pitcher not named Santana is pretty daunting. But we have plenty of time to let that play out.

  144. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    It doesn’t help that Jeter is playing hurt right now. That quad is definitely affecting his swing.

    Both Damon and Jeter are playing on one leg.

    Now, before people yell, “they should be in the DL”. At some point, guys are going to gut it out. Its why they are pros.

    The main reason you don’t put everybody on the DL is, believe it or not, you can’t turn the Yankees into the Scranton Yankees and think that’s a good thing.

    Its just a rough patch now and they need to fight through it. Its all they can do.

  145. berniepaul&tino May 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    WOW hughes stress fracture right rib out atleast four weeks according to giardi on mike and the mad dog

  146. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    com’on :lol:

  147. jimmymac67 May 1st, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Phil’s got a stress fracture in rib- 4 weeks shutdown.

  148. Central CT Yankee May 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    I think he was singing karaoke with Mindy Mcready

  149. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Stress fracture in rib? 4 weeks off for Hughes!

  150. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    So, if Hughes is out 6 weeks, you can forget him until the AS Break.

    Darrell Rasner, this is your big chance.

    Danny McCutcheon? Get ready, you are on deck.

  151. CM May 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Well, Mad Dog looks like a fool now. Sucks to lose Hughes for 4 weeks. But, it’s a big thumb of a nose to all the haters who made it see like the Yankees were lying to get Hughes a break.

    Thanks for the compliment Saucy, there’ll be more good stuff coming soon now that my birthday bender is over.

  152. Jeremy May 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Why does Giambi need to bunt when he can just try to hit to left? Wouldn’t that be easier?

  153. pat May 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Hughes also going to see an eye specialist to find out what the story is what the night vision blurs.

  154. berniepaul&tino May 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    apparently hughes hurt it against the white sox and did not tell the yankees until after his start against cleveland

  155. Rob NY - Farnsworth is worth very little! May 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Yeah… stress fracture… it’s quite unfortunate that I dont believe a word out of Joe Girardi’s mouth. Is it a stress fracture? Is it a pulled Oblique? Is it messed up vision? Who knows, and worst of all nobody in Yankeeland is going to tell us the truth.

  156. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    I guess I can eat crow for assuming the Yanks were lying.

  157. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    I the hell did he get a stress fracture? Did he get hit with a ball? I don’t remember.

  158. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Josh Beckett has been on the DL 9 times. His first 3 years in Florida were spent on and off the DL.

    My point is, you stick with high level young pitchers.

    Hughes is going through a rough patch but, its way too early to give up on him.

  159. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Does anyone know how long he’s had this stress fracture? Could this be the reason for some of his struggles?

  160. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    well, if there was ever a chance for Darrel Rasner to prove himself…

  161. berniepaul&tino May 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    i think they said he tweaked it during the white sox game but who knows

  162. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    mechanics change back to 2006′s delivery 2 – 3 weeks, testing it 1 – 2 weeks…

    Girardi: “yeh atleast 4-6 weeks and that’s if he can pitch”

    and he has to go to SWB after “video rehab”

  163. rb15 May 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    SoS, that explains it – Giambi should be looking at the ball, not at the short porch. :)

    Honestly, he’s been around and I think Giambi knows how to conduct his batting practice in the most helpful way, etc. I just think Joe needs to sit him down and tell him that his hitting into the shift schtick is getting old, fast. It’s frustrating to watch. Now is the time when veterans like him need to find ways to manufacture runs, when the pitching staff is struggling and there are several key injuries. Are they squeezing him inside? Fine, then don’t bunt down the third base line – put on a sac play and start the runners, and bunt down the first base line. At least then you’ll give the runners a chance to move over.

    Night everyone!

  164. CM May 1st, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    DA-RELL RAS-NER (Clap! Clap! ClapClapClap!)

  165. CBR May 1st, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Here’s the problem with the stress fracture – stress fracture’s are painful. How could he not know he was hurt? This doesn’t make sense.

  166. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    lol brandon that same thing crossed my mind. Theyre gunna send him back to Tampa and let Nardi rework him and get him back to where he was. Maybe he actually has a broken rib but for some reason I don’t believe this manager or this front office. /shrug

  167. crawdaddie May 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Pete,
    Do you still think the Yankees were making up this Hughes injury?

  168. Fredo Corleone May 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    “I the hell did he get a stress fracture? Did he get hit with a ball? I don’t remember.”

    A High 5 from Bam Bam Duncan gone awry?????

  169. Jim May 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Hughes=bust

    Johan would’ve looked good in pinstripes. Hank and I were right.

  170. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Johan has been a hr machine in the NL…. Sign C.C. in the off season and move on. You could always root for the Mets.

  171. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Don’t like young pitchers getting hurt like this early in their careers. This injury sets his innings back once again.

  172. Patrick May 1st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    welp thats another lost year for Hughes

    His innings will be limited to ~150 next year same as this year :(

    At least he can watch The Office now

    Was there a reason Girardi lied yesterday about him not being injured then lied again and said he has a strained oblique? This is getting absurd, I can’t trust anything Girardi says now.

  173. Amanda from La. May 1st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    seriously? that bites. sounds pretty painful. I am pretty sure Phil never expected this to happen, poor guy.

  174. Joe from Long Island May 1st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Hughes being out 4-6 weeks with this fracture stinks, but life goes on. Life, not just sports, is about coping with adversity. Phil will be back. But the flip side of the coin is that life presents you with opportunities – the key is to recognize them and be ready to take advantage.

    Who knows, maybe Rasner will be this year’s Aaron Small – another guy who took advantage of an opportunity. Or McCutcheon, or someone else.

    Game time is 7:05. I’ll be watching.

  175. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    as far as hughes goes, this is starting to get almost comical.
    anyone know anything about rib stress fractures?

  176. Stephen May 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Cynically speaking, this gives Hughes an excuse for the rest of the season, similar to what happened last year.

    If he pitches well, he’s a phenom. If he doesn’t…well, he was injured and shut don for a month. He hasn’t built his arm strength back up.

  177. dontfirecash May 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    At least it ain’t his right arm.

  178. Fredo Corleone May 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    “Pete,
    Do you still think the Yankees were making up this Hughes injury?”

    I do. Still not sold on the fractured rib. In the last 24 hours he’s gone from not injured to an oblique injury, to a fractured rib. I’m holding out for something better. Probably have malaria by the end of the game tonite.

  179. Matt(Alex Being Alex) May 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Hughes is going to be at least until July.

  180. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Hey Patrick what makes you think he isn’t lying now about this broken rib? Sounds to me like they heard people talking about how they were fabricating an injury and needed one that sounded more serious…

  181. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Question for SJ and other baseball minds:

    Does phil being out for a month have any effect on when the Yankees move Joba into the rotation?

  182. CM May 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Yeah, Jim. 5 starts one month into the season is definitely enough to know if a guy’s a bust. Why don’t you and Hank go follow football and let those of us who understand what 162 games mean concern ourselves with the Yankees.

  183. Joe from Long Island May 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    I don’t know that working out prevents fractures. The only surefire protection from injuries is to sit on the sidelines.

  184. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Wasn’t the oblique injury supposedly not serious? Now it’s serious? Makes no sense.

  185. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    “Was there a reason Girardi lied yesterday about him not being injured then lied again and said he has a strained oblique? This is getting absurd, I can’t trust anything Girardi says now.”

    I know that once you lie you lose some credibility but can you really assume that this case was not just a mis-diagnosis. It sounds like he had the MRI today.

    I’d just like to give him the benefit of the doubt.

  186. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    “as far as hughes goes, this is starting to get almost comical.
    anyone know anything about rib stress fractures?”

    yes and they really hurt, you can not not know if you have it or not.

  187. raymagnetic â„¢ May 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    “Here’s the problem with the stress fracture – stress fracture’s are painful. How could he not know he was hurt? This doesn’t make sense.”

    Actually it’s quite possible to not know you have a stress fracture. I have a toe right now that has a stress fracture. I didn’t know it right away. When my foot began to feel pain I went to see a podiatrist and was told that my fracture looked like it was caused months before.

  188. berniepaul&tino May 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    please keep hughes as far away from pavano as possible

  189. Skippy May 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    My play opens tonight–I have a long break between scenes in the second act, so I’m hoping to sneak out and listen to the game and hopefully hear that IPK is pitching brilliantly, Chad Moeller has hit a grand slam, and Phil Hughes doesn’t have leprosy.

  190. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    “Does anyone know how long he’s had this stress fracture?”

    ” stress” sounds like it develops over time . it would explain a lot if it’s been slowly developing.

  191. jimmymac67 May 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    “I guess I can eat crow for assuming the Yanks were lying.”

    You are probably the only one who will own up to it.

    Betemit’s fake injury turned out to be pretty serious as well.

  192. Jeremy May 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    I see a lot of myself in this Phil Hughes kid.

    -Carl Pavano

  193. CM May 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    Rob NY, we know they’re not lying because instead of him being out for 15 games to straighten his head and get back to the majors, he’s now out for 4 weeks and will need some rehab starts before he can get back on a major league mound. They do not want him out for 2 months.

  194. MoBoy May 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    This is what happens when half your prospects are high ceiling high risk pitchers.

    I think the Trade market hass to heat up.Even if JOba goes to the rotation.

  195. Jeff May 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Phil will be the ace of the Yankees. It will not happen this year, obviously, but it will happen.

    Guy needs to get straightened out from a mechanics and health standpoint.

  196. Taylor May 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    When do we get to hear Peter cry to us about Girardi not telling him about Hughes’ injury in time?

  197. Qbert May 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Enough of the lineup whining already. Mr Torre would have Miguel Cairo at 1B tonight.

  198. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Now who comes up if Ian or Rasner struggle? Mcutchen? Joba? Trade? Please dont say Igawa.

  199. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    I’ll say this,,,when Shelley Duncan is your cleanup hitter and IPK is taking the mound, you win this game and it is a borderline miracle….WOW ! :-(

  200. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    just enough time to do some indoor throwing, w/ no cameras around. We know it’s , eh F it do I care if they fix him I’ll be happy, so w/e.

  201. Greg Cohen May 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Just added 6 new shots of the New Stadium… enjoy http://tinyurl.com/6zsewe

  202. Fredo Corleone May 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    “Does phil being out for a month have any effect on when the Yankees move Joba into the rotation?”

    It shouldn’t, but it could. Lot depends on what the reinforcements do. If Rasner pitches reasonably well, they should have no problem sticking to their plan.

  203. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    S.o.S.27, if ANYONE even utters a word that SOUNDS like Igawa, he/she should be strung up by his/her toes !

  204. Frankie speaking .... May 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    I’m close to being convinced that Phil Hughes is a brittle or snakebit athlete. Maybe some of both.
    During his entire career, Mussina has spent lees time on the DL than Hughes has in 2 seasons and Mussina has never had what could be called a rigorous workout regimen.

  205. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    Rebecca,

    I don’t think it affects the Joba Plan. Its Darrell Rasner’s big opportunity. If he can pitch along the average of what a #4 pitcher provides an AL team, they go forward.

    As far as folks now labeling Hughes a “bust”, get a grip. Go back and look at Beckett’s career and ask yourself why the Marlins didn’t give up on him?

    Check out Eric Bedard’s career. Both guys have had substantial DL time in their careers with injuries more serious than Hughes’.

    It happens and like Joe from LI says, you deal with it.

    I think its a little early in his career to be labeled a bust.

    Think differently? Apply for a job in Personnel Departments of MLB team armed with the belief that Hughes is a bust and see if that gets you hired.

    Its adversity he has to work through. Its not an injury to his arm, shoulder or elbow. That’s the good news.

    He will be pitching again in 6 weeks, barring any setbacks.

  206. Jeremy May 1st, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    “This is what happens when half your prospects are high ceiling high risk pitchers.”

    What does this mean? All young pitchers are high risk. Very few are high ceiling. The Sox are going with Buchholz and Lester – are they headed for disaster?

  207. berniepaul&tino May 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    on a serious note… does anyone know what carl pavano’s status is right now. still rehabbing what? any sliver of a chance he takes the mound this season?

  208. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Could it be something as simple as the players over-conditioning? Working out too much?

  209. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Anyone think we should maybe look to trade one of Ajax or Tabata for pitching? Being that Melky looks like he is here to stay and Gardner is improved?

  210. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    Hughes just showed that he is not mature as people thought that he was. He threw his side session, and pitched 4 innings 90 pitches 2 days ago knowing that he was hurt. Not bright…You have to assume that Cashman and Girardi had a meeting with him and gave it to him about not being honest with injuries considering he knows how important he is to this organization…So this is 2 years in a row where he is now going to miss 2 months and it is going to be another year where his development as a pitcher is delayed. The injuries good thing have not been to his arm but he has had these things hold him back every year now.

  211. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    “Anyone think we should maybe look to trade one of Ajax or Tabata for pitching? Being that Melky looks like he is here to stay and Gardner is improved?”

    absolutely not !

  212. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    SJ: Even if Kennedy continues to struggle? Just curious :)

  213. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    SJ,
    You can add Roy Halliday to that list of injured in the past.

  214. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Damn even Horne’s hurt. Maybe if he wasn’t he would have been called up.

  215. Chris N May 1st, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Girardi basically said that he wasn’t sure what the injury til like 6:30 yesterday and didn’t want to release any info prior to hearing from the doctors about the extent. They didn’t diagnos the stress factor til today.

    Since its now clear that he’s actually hurt, it doesn’t seem to me that there’s any reason to think that they were being intentionally deceptive. Just because the timing coincides with calls for Hughes to be pulled from the rotation doesn’t necessarily there’s some nefarious plot to deceive the public.

    I think this is really people just used to dealing with Torre and having to adjust to Girardi’s style in dealing with the press. Girardi doesn’t give any less information than Torre did but he’s less adept at presenting it in a way that doesn’t seem evasive. That’s all.

  216. MikeEff -Protect Shelley's Quad May 1st, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    “absolutely not” ?

    why not?

  217. Fredo Corleone May 1st, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    “Anyone think we should maybe look to trade one of Ajax or Tabata for pitching? Being that Melky looks like he is here to stay and Gardner is improved?”

    Nope. Give Rasner a run at the #5 job and see how it goes.

    Any pitching you might pick up now is going to be of the low end of the rotation variety anyway. Dave Bush, Matt Belisle, Loaiza redux. Any appeal there????

  218. CM May 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Amen, Chris N.

  219. Mr. Exceptional May 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    I guess these are the things you have to expect when you fall in love with every “can’t miss” prospect.

    Who’s next on my future stars baseball card…

  220. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    “why not?”

    those kids are too young and have too much ability to traded for quick fixes. I don’t agree in continueing that same cycle.

  221. berniepaul&tino May 1st, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    what about roy oswalt i heard rumors of him earlier was there any truth in those rumors and what do you think they would ask for?

  222. Fredo Corleone May 1st, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Jax:

    Any idea on Horne’s status. He’s missed 3-4 starts since it was announced he’ll miss one start. I did hear he was throwing off flat ground late last week, but little since.

  223. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Brandon,
    Ruben Rivera ceiling was probably higher than both those guys and we pulled the trigger on him. Ricky Ledee brought us back Justice. Which in turn helped us win championships. I just think that some times you have to give something to get something. Who knows what they will end up being. We dont give Rivera or Ledee a second thought.

  224. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    If Kennedy continues to struggle, I wouldn’t be surprised if McCutcheon, provided he keeps pitching well, gets a shot.

    They aren’t going to mess with Joba and rush something that could end up hurting him.

    As far as Hughes, its why teams ALWAYS tell players to tell them when they are hurt.

    Look at it from his perspective. Clearly, he feels a responsibility to help the team. So, he decides to gut it out. After all, he has seen the scorn Carl Pavano has gotten for all these years.

    Its tough and its the pressure players feel to be in the lineup. We saw it with veterans like Arod and Posada and its pretty clear Hughes didn’t tell anybody he was hurting until he came out of the game last night.

    How it could happen? A variety of ways. You can hurt it on a pitch. You can hurt it in cold weather. It could be a combination of things.

    Jim Palmer once broke a rib throwing a pitch on a hot summer day.

    Its sports and guys get hurt. Just a fact of life. You can’t put them all in plastic bubbles.

  225. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    “Damn even Horne’s hurt. Maybe if he wasn’t he would have been called up.”

    Horne saids he’s ok, he threw from 60′ the other day, today or tomorrow he will throw from 120′ next Tues. they hope he will throw off a mound.

  226. Matt(Alex Being Alex) May 1st, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    I feel a good start from IPK tonight and win for the Yanks….we haven’t been swept all season and I don’t expect it to happen tonight!

  227. Joe from Long Island May 1st, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Question for the group – Does a drug suspension, like the one to Reyes on the SI Yankees, take one roster spot away from the team? Or can they replace the player?

  228. Matt(Alex Being Alex) May 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Hopefully Hughes doesn’t turn out to be Ben Sheets. That would be sad…..A guy who has great stuff but keeps getting hurt

  229. Matt(Alex Being Alex) May 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Joe…….I’m pretty sure they can replace the player

  230. mel May 1st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Feel bad for Phil. But he came back strong last season. Got no doubt he can do it again.

    And to add insult to injury, everybody but his own mother thought it was fake. (Mrs. Hughes reportedly released a statement saying that she knew her son was really hurt because he’d never participate in such a sham)

    Sports depression can lead to paranoia, guys. Snap out of it.

  231. kei igawa's sunglasses May 1st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    hi, yankees winning tonight, kennedy throws a gem!

  232. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    SJ: Thanks.

    It’s funny. Baseball has by far the longest season out of all four major sports, and yet it might be the one where the fortunes of a team are the most singularly dependent on good luck.

  233. Fredo Corleone May 1st, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    “what about roy oswalt i heard rumors of him earlier was there any truth in those rumors and what do you think they would ask for?”

    More than Cashman will want to give. Kennedy, Jackson, and McCutchen??? It would be a boatload. Oswalt is on the books thru 2012 at about $15M per. Not terribly expensive by a #1/#2 type pitcher.

  234. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    The problem with looking at past trades is, the entire economic part of the game has changed.

    Everybody is making money, most teams stay in playoff races longer, and because of luxury tax implications, teams are holding onto their younger players more now than ever before.

    You won’t get anybody of value unless you are willing to get fleeced. The Yankees aren’t going to make any panic trades.

    Folks like Steve Phillips will wish they do, but its not going to happen.

  235. berniepaul&tino May 1st, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Does anyone know what is going on with pavano? is he rehabbing, pitching? have the yanks completely given up on him?

  236. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    “Brandon,
    Ruben Rivera ceiling was probably higher than both those guys and we pulled the trigger on him. Ricky Ledee brought us back Justice. Which in turn helped us win championships. I just think that some times you have to give something to get something. Who knows what they will end up being. We dont give Rivera or Ledee a second thought.”

    I hate that comparison, everytime this will come up, because A. Ruben Rivera never took baseball serious, B. he didn’t have the heart, If you watched Austin Jackson in A ball or AA you wouldn’t compare him to Ruben , Tabata is 19 , this is what I mean everyone is too into the quick fix, NEWSFLASH it doesn’t work anymore, you need a system, you need young legs out there otherwise all you are is an old beaten down team.

  237. CanIGetAMooseCall May 1st, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Suddenly Hughes, Kennedy and Melky for Santana seems like a steal (for the Yanks). Cashman f’ed up again.

  238. BU12 May 1st, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    i guess i’m too optimistic: why does part of me think this is still made up because the people- like the media, is/ has been brutal as usual to this injury. and maybe by saying 4-6 weeks makes things sound more…realistic. is that stupid to say- theyre kinna making it sound worst so that hughes gets himself fully together?

    then again, it wouldve been awesome to see hughes win 13-15 games in his first season, proving some people wrong and more importantly showing what he’s got. not to say he won’t ever do so, but still.

  239. Eugie May 1st, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    “Because Eugie, he is 0-17 for the season against lefties.

    Why is that so hard to understand? Are you so caught up in the splits, you don’t consider how the player is looking now?

    I think Joe Girardi wants to win more than you want him to win. In fact, I know that to be the case because its his job.

    Its also his job to get a guy out of the lineup who is hitless for the season against lefties.

    Here is another stat to consider. Since August of last year, Jason Giambi has the second lowest batting average in baseball for everyday players. Its .185. The only player worse? Gary Sheffield.

    I’ll leave it to everybody to discuss what they have in common.”

    Yes it is hard to understand. It’s obvious based on those splits he sees the ball extremely well coming from Robertson. Consider him an exception to the lefty stat.

    You want him to start hitting? You let him face people he OWNS! The only acceptable reason for him not being in the line up tonight is because he’s hurt. Any other reason is ridiculous.

  240. Mr. Exceptional May 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Will Kennedy rise to the occasion tonight? Will Moose’s tutelage turn the tides for this young lad? Will he get hit in the neck with a comebacker? Tune in tonight to find out.

  241. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Rebecca-The Red Wings are accepting applications.

    Brandon,
    Melky had a better avg. in the minors than both AJAX and Tabata. I think he didnt get as much attention because he doesnt have blazing speed or hit bombs. Tabata has lost his power for the last year now. He was being compared to Manny by some. Hitting in the low .200.
    I dont like playing the potential card. Cant miss is another story.
    Gardner and Melky in 09!

  242. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    “Suddenly Hughes, Kennedy and Melky for Santana seems like a steal (for the Yanks). Cashman f’ed up again.”

    120 MILLION for 3 – 2 in the NL, plus he’s given up 7 HR in the NL ! we’ll see how long this lasts , watching Johan’s last start he has the same issues leaving pitches flat, Pittsburgh nearly whipped him, he went 5 1/3 and Feliano was the one that saved him. Again we’ll see how long this lasts.

  243. mel May 1st, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Why is everyone so angry at Phil? You guys didn’t want him pitching anyway. You won’t see him on the mound for 6 weeks. Maybe he can earn your trust back when he makes his way back. Which he will. He’s not being traded, no matter how much you wish for it. Sheesh.

  244. raymagnetic â„¢ May 1st, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    “Suddenly Hughes, Kennedy and Melky for Santana seems like a steal (for the Yanks). Cashman f’ed up again.”

    Can we wait more than 1 month before we decide whether or not it was a bad deal?

    Statements like this are really ridiculous.

  245. Mr. Exceptional May 1st, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    I like that Gardner kid…he’s what they call…intriguing.

  246. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    S.o.S.27 Melky at Jackson’s was almost the same, except Jackson has the higher upside. Tabata too. Again we’ll see.

    I see you guys later. Some of you …you know.. :)

  247. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Kennedy better bring his confidence and location tonight or it is going to an even shorter night then usual. Even though Hughes is going to be out for along time Girardi sounded serious when he said that Kennedy better get his act together. I can’t see him making his next start if he doesn’t make it out of the 2nd inning tonight. Even Olendorf can pitch longer then him. If he doesn’t get it together then they will find someone to take over for him. Who that person is I don’t know but I am sure there is someone who can go longer then 2 innings.

  248. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    S.O.S. Applications for what?

    I’m a Devils fan, mind…

  249. Joe from Long Island May 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    I wouldn’t underestimate the “Pavano factor” here. From everything I’ve read, ole Carl was given the silent treatment during ST (why he was even there I don’t know). It could not have possibly escaped Phil. Couple that with seeing Derek, Jorge and ARod, among who knows who else, trying to gut-it-out with pain, and he may have figured that’s what he had to do.

    I think he’s a good kid, who just needs to get it together. Give him time, he will.

  250. raymagnetic â„¢ May 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    “Yes it is hard to understand. It’s obvious based on those splits he sees the ball extremely well coming from Robertson. Consider him an exception to the lefty stat.

    You want him to start hitting? You let him face people he OWNS! The only acceptable reason for him not being in the line up tonight is because he’s hurt. Any other reason is ridiculous.”

    Did you see Giambi’s stats against Kenny Rogers? Did you see him hit that game?

  251. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    i guess i’ll watch tonight.. i struggle to tune in to all the games every year during may and early june, especially when they’re playing poorly. i usually watch all of April, slack off during may and june, then usually pick it back up toward late June and watch religiously for the rest of the year. so far i’ve watched every single game of the season though, and i want to keep the streak alive…so i’ll just drink until i don’t remember how miserable they’ve been playing and then watch the game…Ian, for the love of christ, throw strikes tonight my man.

  252. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    “Its sports and guys get hurt. Just a fact of life. You can’t put them all in plastic bubbles.”

    i was once playing first base at umass and our pitcher broke his left arm in two on the pitch. it was not a sound i ever want to hear again. pitching puts a lot of stress on a pitcher’s body. the yankee’s seem like they’ve handled hughes really well since the hamstring problem a year ago.

    i’m not sure that isn’t just one of those random things that happen. twenty one year old bodies haven’t fully matured yet. the yankees know this and seem to have handled hughes well. i don’t know anything they could have done differently.

  253. Yankeebaseball May 1st, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    New month, new changes ! Good luck Yankees !

  254. Girardi on the DL May 1st, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Watch, the next injury report about Hughes will be that he slipped a disk.

    Sorry, but until I see some consistant truth coming out of General Girardi, I don’t believe a word he says. Not one word.

    When you feel you have to lie about an injury right before it gets announced, then there is a serious credibility problem. If Cashman doesn’t like it that Girardi spilled the beans about Hughes an hour early, then too bad.

    Girardi lied about Bruney. Lied about Hughes. Lied about Abreu getting “rest” instead of being honest.

    Did Girardi go to the Clemens school of Truth Telling? Maybe Girardi is the one who gave advice to Clemens on how to respond to every question he is asked.

    I hate liars. There is nothing worse than a liar. When someone lies it means they feel superior to you and can tell you anything they want and that you are stupid enough to believe them.

    This lying stuff is becoming compulsive with Girardi. I have to wonder now about every single word out of his mouth.

    If I were one of his players, I wouldn’t have a lot of respect for him. Sorry, but a liar is the worst form of egotist.

  255. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Rebecca,
    Join the 08 Stanley Cup Champions team. We’re accepting applications.

  256. ANSKY May 1st, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Someone mentioned Wells in an e-mail or the last thread????

    Egads. If this was you, you should be banned from all baseball blogs. Die a slow horrible death, whoever you are, and spare us all the angst of reading such tripe.

    If Wells gets a contract for the rest of the year, from any team, he will have fewer good games as he will games missed due to injuries.

    The reverse chicken little effect would have people saying he was a great signing if he goes 7 strong in a game, striking out 8 and walking none. He still has what it takes to do that … really he does …. but only twice a year.

    The rest of the games, well he’ll be on the DL, he’ll be knocked around or have difficulty locating the curve, or leave the game early because of gout, a strained back or a hangover.

    His curveball may still break about two feet, but you’re looking at a 4-7 pitcher at best, with a 6+ ERA and if you’re lucky he can hold it together for a few straight months.

    Still, I confess, there have been worse signings but only in hindsight. If he did as poorly as I just griped, that would still be better than Carl Pavano ever did as a Yankee. Maybe Pavano could secretly subcontract Wells as a body double (put him in a baggy uni and hope) to try to appear as if he’s earning his $$$. Never mind that Pavano’s a righty and Wells is a lefty. I don’t think anyone remembers what Carl even looks like, much less what arm he throws with. As for the girth, if anyone suspects tell them Carl came to camp out of shape. REALLY out of shape.

  257. G. Love May 1st, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    SJ,

    I think there’s a huge difference between Beckett and Hughes. Namely, stuff.

    Beckett had wicked stuff from the get go in the majors. It was his recurring blister problem that kept sidetracking him.

    Even in his early major league games he was K’ing more than 1 an inning and pitching to an insanely low whip. Statistically, his worst season was 2006 in Boston when he pitched to a 5 ERA. Even in his formative years, he never pitched close to that number.

    I understand you’re trying to walk us off the ledge here, but Hughes is a disappointment to some of us in that he was advertised as a #1 and now people are backing off to a 3-4 on him.

    He keeps getting injured. His stuff has lessened. He’s regressed at the major league level.

    And on top of all of that, we could have traded him for Haren or Santana this past off season and didn’t.

    I don’t think he’s a bust, but I also don’t think he’s anything close to a sure thing.

    This is very disappointing and once again, the finger gets pointed squarely at Cashman who did a poor job assembling this team this off season.

    He relied on 2 rookie pitchers to be in his rotation. One who had 4 starts under his belt and the other who visits the DL like it’s 7-11.

    This entire season has been a worst case scenario for him when it came to the picks he has made.

    I’ve been saying since December that going into this season with rookies, let alone rookies with innings caps, was a god awful idea and a clear disservice to the veteran players on the squad who expect the Yankees to give them the best chance to win.

    Posada admitted he wanted Johan. I doubt he was alone.

    Now we have Rasner. If he and Kennedy go up in flames the next couple of weeks, this team is in deep deep trouble.

    The pen will be toast by June with all the innings they will have thrown.

    I don’t think Hughes was/is a bust. I’m sure he’ll turn out to be a nice pitcher. But relying on him and Kennedy (and Mussina who can unravel at a moments notice) now looks foolish to a large section of the fanbase myself included.

    I’m not spoiled. I don’t expect it to be easy. But I do expect the GM of the Yankees to have a better plan for his starting rotation than what he’s had this season.

    It seems to me, at least, that he had a window to deal Hughes, Kennedy, Horne, Marquez this past off season for top shelf established pitching and he passed.

    I think he’s going to regret it.

  258. Yankeebaseball May 1st, 2008 at 5:54 pm

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  259. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    “so i’ll just drink until i don’t remember how miserable they’ve been playing and then watch the game”

    Dont forget the chips with those drinks.

  260. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    the way the Penguins are playing i’d have to call them the 08 Stanley Cup champions… Crosby and Malkin are Lemieux and Jagr all over again.

  261. jonathan c. May 1st, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    “and now people are backing off to a 3-4 on him.”

    quite honestly, anyone adjusting their evaluations of hughes based on a few mlb starts at age 21 is an idiot.

  262. Jane May 1st, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Ah… A stress fracture of the 9th rib. What other inventive ways are they gonna trick the media and the fans? /sarcasm

  263. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    i don’t see the problem with girardi and injury reports. i guess i didn’t know he’s supposed to tell me everything that’s going on behind the scenes. it honestly has never occurred to me that we, the fans, are supposed to be kept up to speed on everything that’s happening.

  264. AndrewYF May 1st, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    If 14-15 is the result of a worst-case scenario, I’d say that GM did a damn good job preparing for the season.

  265. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    S.o.S.: I appreciate the offer, really, I do, but I am a Devils fan through and through. When I die, you’ll see pinstripes in my blood, and you’ll see the red interlocking NJ on my heart.

    Can’t cross boundaries, man, apologies.

  266. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    i just don’t get how the Red Sox have had mediocre at best pitching and a painfully inconsistent offense just like the yankees yet are still finding ways to win the games.

  267. G. Love May 1st, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    AndrewYF,

    Guess you’re a Marlins fan.

  268. ANSKY May 1st, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    I don’t care if Girardi’s bending the truth a little about Hughes. He’s probably taking advantage of all avenues to optimize the roster, which is in need of a few good healthy players.

    If Hughes has only a ‘mystery ailment’ and can work better with Dave Eiland in the ‘pen than he can in Scranton, then so be it. Let him set a world recod for healign a cracked rib. on the other hand, if it really is a rib injury like that, then that could be one reason Hughes struggled his last game or two.

    I understand Pete’s point of view – at least be honest about what you’re saying – but if it’s a ‘mystery injury’ he probably can’t say so publicly because there are probably consequences for making stuff like that up.

  269. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    randy l
    May 1st, 2008 at 5:57 pm
    i don’t see the problem with girardi and injury reports. i guess i didn’t know he’s supposed to tell me everything that’s going on behind the scenes. it honestly has never occurred to me that we, the fans, are supposed to be kept up to speed on everything that’s happening.

    Randy I dont care if they want to keep the injury truth to themselves. Come out and say “The Yankees aren’t going to tell you about injuries until we are 100% sure on them and we are going to do so via press releases.” It is all this nonsense where they flat out lie that gets me annoyed. Don’t tell me anything, fine, but don’t lie to me. It’s unnecessary.

  270. CBR May 1st, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    “i just don’t get how the Red Sox have had mediocre at best pitching and a painfully inconsistent offense just like the yankees yet are still finding ways to win the games.”

    It must be a strategy thing. Their offense gets hits in the big spots, and the pitching gets big outs. The Yanks are a better team on paper, but they’re not getting hot when they need to.

  271. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Mission 2708 May 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    okay guys, I’m off to catch some more minor league action, barring the weather, so GO YANKEES and I’ll catch you all post game!

  272. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    when i think about it i don’t imagine how the Penguins will NOT win the Stanley Cup…they’ve made the Rangers their absolute bitch. not to exaggerate the abilities of the Rangers, but they scored a hell of a lot on Martin Brodeur who is one of the best net minders of all time, and Lundqvist has been pretty damn good. Enter the Pens, who have somehow kept the Rangers offense in check and are putting a lot of pucks past Lundqvist for a commanding 3-0 lead in the series. it makes me said, but i have to tip my cap to this young Pens team and proclaim they are the 08 champs.

  273. S.A.-Feel better Phil Hughes and I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Feel so bad for Phil. Very disappointing.

    Some ridiculous comments on here. Sad

  274. j May 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    I’m astounded at the level of idiocy on this blog. The majority of you are a disgrace to Yankee fans. Season over on May 1st? Are you new to baseball? 21 year old pitcher a bust? Really? You guys should have been swallowed.

  275. mel May 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    ANSKY,

    Here’s a another possible twist. They used Pavano’s scan and are passing it off as Phil’s. Pete, find out if there’s a heart in that scan.

  276. dan l May 1st, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Wonder how many K’s Abreu will have tonight? Does anyone know if he is hurt? 8 walks in 116 pa for a less than 7% walk rate is appalling.

  277. Zach in Port Jeff May 1st, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    “The suspension of Reyes will be effective at the start of the season for the Single-A Staten Island Yankees of the New York-Penn League.”

    What Pete? No reports about possible links to A-rod?

    I’m surprised.

    Girardi must have known about this kid and decided to keep mum. He’s no Torre!

  278. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    lol. “you guys should have been swallowed.” never heard that. i’ll probably use it in the future.

    (i’ve been drinking. and yes SoS27, i’m eating chips too. barbecue.

  279. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    jane -

    how does one,especially a pitcher , get rib stress fractures?

  280. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Brian,Brian,Brian,
    Defense wins Championships. Red Wings are up 3-0 as well and they will shut down the Penguins offense when the time comes. Size,depth,skill,goalie and experience.

  281. JGNYC (insert Pro-Yankee slogan here) May 1st, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    I feel bad that the kid tried to do the “fun new thing” and start a blog. If he starts seeing negative stuff on something like that, it’s only gonna make things worse. I am not an advocate of young players having blogs. A blog can be your home and a means for your expression. When it’s invaded with negativity, it can make your heads worse.

  282. Girardi on the DL May 1st, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    Rob, That is exactly how I would prefer it to be, rather than lying about it. I can respect someone saying we are not ready to talk about this particular issue right now, but not – Yes he is healthy and an hour later the kid is on the DL.

    In the case of Bruney, say “I don’t know at this time”. End of issue. Or “we are looking into it and will let you know when we can give you valid information rather than opinion and guesses.”

    How hard is it to do that? Apparently, with Girardi, near impossible.

    Randy, if Girardi didn’t know that they were going to DL Hughes before the game, then it calls the injury into question. Like, maybe they were talking it over internally. Fine. Why the lie though? When the issue of Hughes was being discussed a smart person would have set up what could be told when asked before the game.

    If Girardi didn’t know Hughes was going on the DL then it spells even worse problems within his clubhouse. If you are the manager and don’t know something important like that, then guess what – you really aren’t the manager.

  283. Nick May 1st, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    1 game under .500 is the result of a worse-case scenario because the Yankees have a payroll over 200 million dollars.

  284. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    SoS27

    I understand the importance of defense. However, it’s the offense that scores the goals most of the time, and you cannot deny the New York Rangers have amazing defense, but have not been able to contain the young, talented Pittsburgh Penguins. just be forewarned, my western conference friend, if the Wings and Pens meet in the cup Finals, they’ll make the Wings’ D look a lot more pedestrian than it really is.

  285. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    “how does one,especially a pitcher , get rib stress fractures?”

    Hell. Sammy Sosa went on the dl once by sneezing. These players are brittal i tell ya.

  286. Betsy May 1st, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Last night, it was so important for me to vent and to be angry at Phil for hiding an injury; I was so frustrated and annoyed, I just really let loose on him. I guess now my priorities are fully in place; this is heartbreaking to me and all I want to do is pat Phil on the back and tell him it’s going to be ok. The thing is – I’m starting to despair of this kid every being able to fulfill his immense potential. Pete detailed his injury log so I won’t go into it, but Phil just can not stay healthy and it is so hard to see a kid who worked SO hard be forced to the sidelines. This news REALLY depresses me. If I want to get one positive out of it, it’s that when Phil recovers, he’ll have to spend awhile in the minors, perhaps catching up on the education he missed when he was rushed to the big leagues last year.

    Poor Phil – I feel so badly about being angry last night. He’ll always be my guy – I wouldn’t ever have wished this on him (or anyone).

  287. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    who was it that went on the DL last year or the year before because they were sad? i think it was someone on the Royals…

  288. Jane May 1st, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    randy – I don’t know. Again, I’ve got no expert in Ortho or Physical Medicine. Maybe too much golf on the side? Not enough milk or calcium supplementation? Who knows. It’s supposedly common with golfers and rowers, people who do a lot of body torquing.

  289. mel May 1st, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Brian,

    The pitcher had a breakdown. Greinke?

  290. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    “I don’t think Hughes was/is a bust. I’m sure he’ll turn out to be a nice pitcher. But relying on him and Kennedy (and Mussina who can unravel at a moments notice) now looks foolish to a large section of the fanbase myself included.”

    i can’t argue with you there. it was a high risk bet that cashman made. i’ll admit mussina surprised me with his last two starts. he’s the only part of the bet paying off right now, and as you say that’s game to game.

    contrary to the consensus on the blog, i think cashman is going to be on the hot seat sooner than later. the more hank tries to hold it in , the worse it’s going to be when it comes out. i think he’s probably deciding what to do right now. this hughes thing is exactly the kind of thing that takes him over the edge.

  291. Jane May 1st, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    *I’m no expert” is what I meant to type.

  292. jimmy27 May 1st, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    Brian
    You are mean when you are eating chips.

  293. mel May 1st, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    Boy, Roger should’ve taken the McGuire route. A lot of bones rattling out of the closet.

    Now it’s being reported that he had a “relationship” (friendship?) with John Daly’s ex-wife. Wasn’t she the one embroiled in the scrip (oxycodone) ring?

  294. Blargh May 1st, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Any of us who have ever made fun of or bashed Pavano for his idle time (me included) are hypocrites if we criticize Hughes, or any other player, for trying to gut through an injury.

  295. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    “who was it that went on the DL last year or the year before because they were sad? i think it was someone on the Royals…”

    I dont know but Kaz Matsui went on the dl for hemroids or something like that. Coudnt his team say it was because he was sad? After they made it public. I would assume he could have stayed in the dl for a couple more weeks more for being embarrassed.

  296. Joe from Long Island May 1st, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    J from 6:05 – You have a way with words.

  297. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Jimmy27,

    i’m mean? i’m sorry i did not realize. btw, i wrote jimmy 37 like 5 times before i got it right for this post.

  298. Glenn May 1st, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    What must be on the mind of 25 year old Daniel Thomas McCutchen today ?
    Will I be elevated to Scranton as Rasner goes to New York ?
    Can I show them within about a month that I have what it takes to go the the big team myself ?

  299. VRSCE May 1st, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    Randy,

    You have gotten to the heart of the matter. The fan/blog reaction is one thing, sound and fury etc. Hank is another matter, perhaps his brother will have an influence. This is going to be a tumultuous year.

  300. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Gonna tell you a little story about my first year managing the Yankees. I knew that I was going to be under the glare of the media but I decided right away that my first responsibility was to my team and the players. Then of course to the organization and the owners. We got hit with the injury bug pretty fast and our offense took a while to get going. People were calling for my head, and the press wanted me pilloried because I didn’t sit down and share all of our information with them. You know when you get to hang out with some of them when their press passes have been put away, they can be a great bunch. Let them put the press passes around their necks and all of a sudden it’s a room of Mr. Hydes. Well anyway we were going through a bad stretch and I get call from one of the beat reporters who tell me that the Yankee fanbase that hang out on his paper want my neck. They’re hating me for this, and they’re hating me for that. They hate the lineups I put together, they hate the pitching moves I make, they hate me when the team loses because it’s my fault and they hate me when the team wins because there had to be something in the game that I managed wrong according to them.

    Well one day I really started to question whether I had made a mistake to take this job and so I went and talked to my dad. And this is the advice he gave me. Trisha, he said, if the job was an easy one everyone would have it. You knew you were going to be in for a tough time because you followed a very popular and successful manager. But the most important advice I can give you is this: be true to yourself. If you can put your head on the pillow every night knowing you gave the job your best, and if you can learn from any mistakes you make, you’re earning your money. The press doesn’t cut your paycheck and neither do the fans. If the Yankees didn’t think you could handle the job, they wouldn’t have hired you. Most important of all, your real supporters won’t ever turn on you. They might question you, but they’ll do it with love, not with venom. They won’t abandon you every time something goes wrong. And the ones that do? They weren’t your real supporters to begin with or they wouldn’t turn on you like jackyls. So what have you really lost if you lose fans like that? Nothing.

    And on that day, I held my head high and went back to manage the team to a winning season. It didn’t happen fast and it wasn’t easy. When you lose two of your best that’s not easy to replace. But we did it because we believed in ourselves and the players believed in each other. The people who were with me from the beginning were there with me at the end. The ones who were the fairweather followers didn’t matter to me anyway.

    Managing the Yankees wasn’t easy I’ll tell ya. But boy was it all worth it in the end.

    :D

    GO JOE GIRARDI!

    GO YANKEES!

  301. S.o.S.27 May 1st, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    “You guys should have been swallowed.”

    I just got that. Freekin comedy. I thought at first swallowed like Moby Dick. I guess i was close. Funny stuff.

  302. jimmy27 May 1st, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Brian – you know I’m bustin’ your chops right?
    Crack open a Labatt’s for me.

  303. hughman May 1st, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Re: hughes injury. Jose reyes kept getting injured young. people thought his hammy would never heal. Then he put up a great year (he stinks again but that is another story). Paul molitor was always injured, then he played until he was in his 40s (admittedly as a DH). People take flukes and extrapolate them out. Yeah, maybe he’ll always be injury prone, but I think a lot of this is just coincidence.

    Plus he is young. You don’t know what he actually told them or when, and to a degree he may have been trying to just “suck it up, be a man, everyyone has to play through pain” or the thousand other nostrums people would push on him.

    I still go back to 72 inning, 59 hits, 58 ks, 29 BBs at age 20, and a Division series win. That guy didn’t just disappear. he’s going to be very good for a long time, as long as his arm doesn’t blow out, and the thing is his arm hasn’t had much to do with this.

  304. Rodney F. May 1st, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Glad to see Giambi is out of the lineup. I can’t wait to see what they can do without a guaranteed out in the five spot. I’m not too crazy about what Girardi has been doing with the lineup, I think he has been placing too much faith in Giambi. I’d like to see what Damon, Jeter, Aberu, Matsui, Cabrera, Ensberg, Cano, Molina and Gonzalez could do as a squad.

  305. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    jane-
    thanks. pitchers create velocity in a similar way golfers do with what in golf is called the “x factor. for a golfer, if you draw a straight line through the hips and the shoulders at address position. the two lines are parallel to each other. when the golfer takes the club back the hips don’t rotate much ,but the shoulders do. if you look down from the top, the two lines of the hips and the shoulders make an “X”.

    when the hips go forward initiating the forward swing, the shoulders follow in a whip like action. the more of an “X you have on impact determines to a high degree the velocity of the clubhead.

    it’s similar for a pitcher.- hips go first and shoulders are pulled in a whip like action. i guess, this does put a huge stress( torque) on the core of the body. i have a hunch we’re all going to learn a lot about rib stress fractures in the next few days.

  306. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    “who was it that went on the DL last year or the year before because they were sad?”

    If this season is any indication, that was the LoHud fan base?

  307. Christine May 1st, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    When will these kids ever learn (suspension)?

    And Phil Hughes timeline of injuries sounded too much like Pavano, including the part about working out with Andy. Gosh, I hope Phil won’t end up like that.

  308. mel May 1st, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Watching the highlight of the Arizona game in which Micah Owings pinch-hit a homerun.

    What stood out more than the homerun (more of a bloop than a drive, kid must be strong as a horse)?

    The fact that the stands were 10% full. This is the best team in MLB and they can’t get people to come to the park?

  309. Chris May 1st, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    someone please call the agents of roy oswalt and kevin milwood. Those teams will be out of contention very soon. And we need someone to eat innings. Having two rookies do it is not going to work out. Rasner is not the solution and Igawa is a non-issue meaning he should be back in Japan.

  310. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    I can understand why Phil didn’t want to say anything. He probably thought whatever pain he felt was a “twinge” and would work itself out and go away. His injury last season was a huge disappointment to him and to the Yankees and their fanbase. I’m sure he was reluctant to go that route again. Unfortunately, what is, is.

    He is really not going to be able to do anything for that initial period. And then get back into form. Maybe this is a good thing – he can relearn his mechanics, watch all the tape he can stand, both positive and negative.

    But it’s a darn shame. And shame on all of you who jumped on the injury-gate bandwagon. Tsk-tsk. :)

    Thank heavens it’s a long, long season. And much luck to Darrell Rasner.

  311. Eugie May 1st, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    “Did you see Giambi’s stats against Kenny Rogers? Did you see him hit that game?”

    Really? So you think he should sit against all lefties no matter what?

  312. Joe from Long Island May 1st, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    Trish, that was essay.

  313. Alan May 1st, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    No team will shed tears for the Yankees. They’ll climb out of the injuries by themselves.
    Teams are not in a dealing mode on May 1st to signal their fans that a white flag has been thrown up on a season so early.
    Teams start their mid-season evaluations toward the end of June. Until then, all player personnel decisions are done in-house.

  314. JGNYC (1 step back, 2 steps forward) May 1st, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    We have starters, folks. Wang, Pettite, Moose. By mid-season(?) Chamberlain will be in the rotation. The 5th starter at that point? It could be Hughes, Kennedy, Rasner. Crap, even Igawa, Karstens, or McCutchen? We’re talking about a 5th starter and we have lots of options. There is no point in questioning the Santana thing.

  315. Girardi on the DL May 1st, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    One of the main reasons that has been found for stress fractures of ribs in rowers is due to core strength of the abdominal muscles. It is a different force generated from pitching though, in that the forces applied are opposite from that of a pitcher.

    Golf is different in motion from pitching as well, though there is more similarity than to that of rowing. The compression side in a golf swing that could cause stress fractures is on the opposite side of a pitchers. It again though goes more to core strength. The muscles are supposed to act as the shock absorber, if you will.

    For rib stress fractures the healing time is 4 to 6 weeks of rest, though there can be exercize being done during this time. The return to the motion that caused the fracture is to be incrimental, no more than 10% increases each week.

    So, if this stress fracture is true, and being that it is coming from the Yankees, unfortunately I can not believe it 100% (Thanks Girardi), then we are looking at months of DL time for Hughes.

  316. Zach in Port Jeff May 1st, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Can someone please explain to me why Cashman should be on the “hot-seat”?

    I’d much rather go through some growing pains, rather than make the playoffs and fizzle out again the first round.

    In my opinion, the youth movement should have started immediately after the ’04 debacle.

    I am concerned, however, that Phil Hughes has not just suffered “freak” injuries…but actually may be “injury prone”.

  317. Betsy May 1st, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    You sound like you’re really down on Phil, G Love. Sorry to hear it, but those people that are talking him up as now only a 3 or 4 are morons (Kay, I’m talking to you). He’s 21 years old and he already showed me that he’s got the stuff to be a top of the rotation starter. I would like him to get back to his old delivery because I feel it’s ridiculous (unless necessary) to change someone’s natural mechanics. Once he recovers, he’ll have to spend serious time in the minors; that might be a blessing in disguise as Phil was really rushed last year.

  318. Reed May 1st, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    When is Farnsworth’s 3-game suspension ? Having been used last night, today would have been ideal and in essence it becomes a 2 game absence.
    Possibly something shocking could happen and Chris Britton would actually be used contrary to belief.

  319. Steve May 1st, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Daver: You cite that Giambi is 0 for the season against lefties, then you say past performance is not a predicter of future performance. First of all, your second point is dead wrong. Second of all, if you believe it, why did you offer up your first point?

  320. 56Bomber May 1st, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    “Golden Tee was the game of choice for Hughes, Kennedy Chien-Ming Wang and Jose Molina. ” – from Pete’s blog entry on 4/29

    Wouldn’t it be ironic if the youngest pitcher in baseball hurt himself playing a video game?

    Get well Phil.

  321. jay destro May 1st, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    remember this yankee fans, i will keep tally of all of you who are screaming for rasner today when he gives up 6 runs on 3 innings Sunday.

  322. Kelli in Conn. May 1st, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    If Hughes is injury prone then so is Karstens. Then you get guys like Kei Igawa who may never spend a day in his life on the DL. Go figure.

  323. The Melk Man Always Knocks Twice May 1st, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    I cant recall the last time I heard good news about the Yankees. Its been all down hill for years now. I feel like its groundhogs day. Every year its the same show the only thing that changes is the calender.

  324. JGNYC (1 step back, 2 steps forward) May 1st, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Trisha – now THAT was a good post!

  325. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Speaking for the distinct minority that was actually willing to believe (and posted last night) that Hughes was injured, and, by extension, that Joe Girardi and Brian Cashman are not actually serial liars, I think it’s funny how Pete just announced the news without saying anything about his sarcastic comments about the matter yesterday. I guess eating crow remains a very difficult thing to do for some…

  326. 56Bomber May 1st, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    The good news was that the Yankees reclaimed Moeller off the waiver line and that Darryl Rasner will start on Sunday. Small steps.

  327. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop, (aka Joe) May 1st, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    One step back, two steps forward.

    Pete, wasn’t that on Tunnel of Love?

    As for Hughes, and the other kids. Stay the course!!

  328. Mr. Exceptional May 1st, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    How long before Kay says we’re down to Generation Dos or Deux?

  329. The Melk Man Always Knocks Twice May 1st, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    I love how you people are talking about DARRYL RASNER like he is Cy Young. Instead of Hughes growing and moving foward you want Rasner what a joke.

  330. Max May 1st, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Is there truth in baseball?

    Apparently not – Roger Clemens is today’s prime example and there were many before him. Seems to me that everyone connected with a major league team must take an oath to protect the code of the team ‘family’. Wonder how many wives who stayed home with the children while Daddy went on the road to play ball is full of questions today.

    And, on another subject, Joe Girardi couldn’t seem to find the truth about Phil Hughes either until Cashman spoke.

    Is anyone else suspicious of the information that comes out of a major league clubhouse?

  331. Mr. Exceptional May 1st, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    I’ve got to tell you, Flaherty’s hair looks like Captain Mouser’s in Police Academy 2 after that unfortunate run in with the horse.

  332. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    The Springsteen lyric is, “One step forward and two steps back.” It’s from “One Step Up” off the “Tunnel of Love” album.

  333. VRSCE May 1st, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    The Melk Man Always Knocks Twice

    What difference does it make? Hughes is injured, that is why Rasner is up.

  334. Westerner99 May 1st, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    It’s YANKEE time!!!

  335. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    “The compression side in a golf swing that could cause stress fractures is on the opposite side of a pitchers”

    which side does the stress fracture usually appear for a right handed golfer, and which side is usual for a right handed pitcher?

    i’m puzzled because i would think that the golfer and pitcher stress fracture would both be on the same side if their is a side to it.

    maybe the confusion could be that a golfer has the choice of which arm to be dominant with .

  336. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop, (aka Joe) May 1st, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Chicago Dave,

    I was actually trying to be funny. I’m a Bruce fanatic too.

  337. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Does Kay have to keep insulting Hughes and Kennedy?
    “Does his ball move enough to throw down the middle?”
    Goodness!

  338. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    As far as:

    “The strange thing is that Phil really worked hard this spring to get in shape, showing up in Tampa early and then joining Andy Pettitte for his early morning workouts. Obviously it’s not his fault. Hopefully this is just a run of bad luck and he’ll move on and have a good career.”

    I’ve watched lots of cheapo martial arts movies when I was a kid on channel 5 in NYC (Kung Fu Theatre) – where they trained guys by torturing them or making them do crazy things. Wax on, Wax off.

    But I don’t think we can blame a stress fracture of the ribs on anything other than a fluke mishap.

    This is just random – even more random than Bruney’s lis franc injury. If anyone tries to hang this on a lack of prep by Phil they are delusional.

  339. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Mr. Exceptional –

    I’m not famliar with what your reference was, but I will admit to sitting here thinking that Flaherty needs hair help! :lol:

  340. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Clay – Ahh, OK, got it. Sorry for telling you something you already knew!

  341. Jeremy May 1st, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Eugie, with all your persistence on this “Giambi must be in the lineup against Roberston” theme, I figured Giambi’s stats must be incredible.

    Giambi has a 1.409 OPS against Robertson – based on 16 PA spread out over the last four seasons.

    16 PA is meaningless. Anyone can look great against a particular pitcher in 16 PA.

    Based on how he’s been hitting so far this season (.261 OPS against lefties) it’s much more likely that Giambi grounds into the shift than rediscovers some special ability to hit Robertson.

  342. Pink Floyd May 1st, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    All in all it’s just another brick in the wall …

  343. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    If IPK can go 6 tonight and give up 3 runs or less, then it will have been a great game (regardless of the outcome).

  344. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    geez…. you think Melky’s going to have a day?

  345. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Nice start by Kennedy

  346. Westerner99 May 1st, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    13 pitches – 9 strikes…off to a good start.

  347. bill_brasky May 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    IPK, no hitter through one!!!!!!!!!

  348. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    13 pitch first inning! I’ll take that any day!!

  349. Shirley May 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Less than ten pitches for the first inning for Kennedy? Good for him!

  350. mel May 1st, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    I predicted a 1-2-3 inning, but didn’t post cuz I’m superstitious.

    Pete Caldera from the Bergen Record on espn news talking about our poor Yankees.

  351. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Joe from Long Island and JGNYC

    1. Thanks for taking the time to read it.

    2. Thanks for getting it.

    Much appreciated.

  352. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    When will Nate Robertson ditch those ridiculous goggles he wears…

  353. S.A.-Feel better Phil Hughes and I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    get some runs

  354. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    “Wouldn’t it be ironic if the youngest pitcher in baseball hurt himself playing a video game?

    oh crap, i forgot about that. people that know that game warned about the dangers of it. first midges and now video games. could cleveland really be that diabolical?

  355. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Agree, Chicago Dave…I’d even take 5 innings against this type of lineup and keep us in the game, that’ll be something to be positive about…

    GO IPK! GO YANKS!

  356. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Dave – When Kei Igawa gets rid of his

  357. Butch Wynegar May 1st, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Could that be true??
    Melky has tied a MLB record with three put outs in an inning? It wasn’t amusing, witty, insightful or original when you said it 24 hours ago. It’s a shame Ken Singleton, Jim Kaat, Cone etc have to suffer his bloated nothingness. Why is he the poster boy for all of YES non game programming. He has joined Joe Morgan in the STFU club. He should have been swallowed. Oh wait someone else used that already, damn.

    KAY=Hack

  358. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    It’s pretty sad that the Yankee lineup has come to this (because of all the injuries, that is). Moeller, Ensberg, Duncan, etc. Absolutely brutal.

  359. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    I am REALLY happy to see Chad Moeller back in the dugout. I don’t think we realize just how lucky we are that he wasn’t claimed by any team.

    Happy May Yankees! Let’s show em who we really are!

  360. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Bunch of runs in the first! Offense needs to make a statement!

  361. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    It’s the dreaded RISP scenario!

  362. Rick May 1st, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    2004: Made only three starts for the GCL Yankees because of a fractured toe on his left foot.

    2005: Had two stints on the DL with shoulder inflammation.

    2006: Only healthy season. Went 12-6 with a 2.16 ERA.

    2007: Tore left hamstring on May 1 and did not return until Aug. 4.

    2008: Stress fracture in rib cage

    Yikes, I didn’t know Hughes had been a physical reck.

    From The Baseball Forecaster:
    5-3, 4.46 ERA in 72 IP at NYY. Top SP prospect flaunted upside late in season in NY. Skills eroded a bit in the high minors, but it’s hard to argue with these results at age 21. He could emerge quickly.

    He had skill erosion in the high minors and now obviously it is happening again this year especially in velocity.

    The Yankees have to be worried about this kid. I hope he can come back, but there are some red flags here.

  363. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    So last night Sterling and Suz complained b/c the Yanks “only scored 2 runs” against Bonderman.

    Tonight of course they are calling on Abreu to bunt with 2 on none out.

    THAT my friends, is ANALYSIS

  364. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    (runs in the first)

  365. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    He has the prettiest swing when he’s on

  366. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    OH YEAH!!!!!

  367. Chris N May 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Damn Bobby cracked that one.

  368. Yankee Fan in Boston May 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Oh good lord did we need that. Did he need that. Thank you Abreu.

  369. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    HAPPY MAY BOBBY ABREU!!!

    And to think we could have kept Sheffield and not had Abreu.

    I shudder to think about it!

  370. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Yes Bobby!!!!! Great start, get Ian some runs early.

  371. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Do you think that it’s possible that this entire team breathed a collective sigh of relief that perhaps the trouble with Phil was more physical than mental?

    Great inning so far!

  372. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Nice!!! Now it won’t matter when Duncan inevitably Ks…

  373. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    , , , and boom goes the dynamite!!!

    How was that bunt?

  374. Phil May 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Giambi would have done that. ;)

  375. bill_brasky May 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    3 run homer? did i switch channels? am i still watching the yankees?

  376. mel May 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Nice to see some run support for the kids.

  377. S.A.-Let's go Ian Kennedy and I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    atta boy Bobby!

  378. Amanda from La. May 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    not watching the game :( how’s it going?

  379. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    you can’t hurt shelly duncan.

  380. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    If the two of them crashed into each other the world might’ve exploded…. those are two big boys

  381. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Scary! But nice modified cartwheel by Duncan.

  382. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Thank god Robertson blows, too…

  383. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Amanda you being funny?

    Why aren’t you watching?

  384. Rick May 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    I sure hope kennedy pitches well. I really would like one of the kids to do well.

  385. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Chicago D, Robertson blows less than Bonderman I believe, so credit to us!

  386. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Hi Amanda,

    You missed a 3-run blast by Abreu!!!!!

  387. Amanda from La. May 1st, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Trisha-
    I’m in a group meeting, they don’t know I’m not paying attention. I hate I’m missing out on the excitement!

  388. mel May 1st, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    More, more, we want more!

  389. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Morgan Ensberg makes me yearn for the days of Charlie Hayes. (And, yes, that means Ensberg is pretty bad!)

  390. Eugie May 1st, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    “Eugie, with all your persistence on this “Giambi must be in the lineup against Roberston” theme, I figured Giambi’s stats must be incredible.

    Giambi has a 1.409 OPS against Robertson – based on 16 PA spread out over the last four seasons.

    16 PA is meaningless. Anyone can look great against a particular pitcher in 16 PA.

    Based on how he’s been hitting so far this season (.261 OPS against lefties) it’s much more likely that Giambi grounds into the shift than rediscovers some special ability to hit Robertson.”

    If anyone can look great in 16 PA, then why doesn’t everyone look great in there PA’s against?

    And if that’s a small margin then why isn’t the 17 ab’s against leftys this year? Can’t anyone look bad in those ab’s?

    You can’t have it both ways.

  391. geO May 1st, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    sorry but im not buying into Ensberg

  392. Amanda from La. May 1st, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    thanks Dynasty…well this is late but,

    Way to go Abreu!!

    ok, I really have to go, hope it’s a great game, with a winning score!

  393. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    ChiDave –

    During that era – me and my friends called him Charlie “Mays” Hayes (a la Major League)

    :)

  394. Bill May 1st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    For those of you who want to throw Giambi to the wolves, I’d just point out that he has a higher OBP, Slugging %, and OPS than either Duncan or Ensberg. Hell, he’s got a higher OBP, Slugging %, and OPS than Jeter for that matter. So as much as people want to bench him, the alternatives are not outperforming him and have a lower ceiling than him. Who knows if Giambi will ever get it going again, but he definitely won’t do it without getting his AB’s. Many of you were ready to dump Damon a few weeks ago and call up Gardner. Hopefully, you realize by now that would have been a mistake. Its still early in the season. Relax.

  395. S.A.-I believe in Ian Kennedy and I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Back to work Ian. Be good

  396. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    trisha – I personally think Bonderman has better raw stuff than Robertson…But, yes, they’re both pretty mediocre right now!

  397. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Amanda, – :D

    Been there, done that. Isn’t it a drag when work has the nerve to interfere with our Yanks!?!

  398. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    WOW!!!!

  399. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Go slow-mo replay, i really thought he beat that out but justtttttt got him

  400. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Can Brett Gardner play third? Seriously, I’m done with Ensberg…Only Wilson Betemit is worse!!!

  401. Joe from Long Island May 1st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Trish – I was rushing to get dinner on the table for family – I meant “That essay was nice.”

  402. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    Ideal scenario – FAST game, Yankee win.

  403. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 1st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    So what do all those people who thought the injury was fake think now?

  404. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Control, Ian, control!!!

  405. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    walks=bad Ian
    cut down on them

  406. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Sir Sidney Ponson (former Yankee) won a game today.

    —A sure sign of the apocalypse

  407. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Joe from LI, I knew that was what you meant but I thought you said it in a real cool way! I thought you intentionally used that lingo. In fact I like the way that came out.

    :)

  408. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    jennifer – Yeah, I posted something on that same subject earlier. No one wants to come out and admit they were wrong!

  409. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Ian’s economy of pitches so far is very encouraging… Please let it continue!

  410. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Hey who’s this kid on the mound?? Looks like the same kid that pitched against the Rays last year :)

  411. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 1st, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Chicago Dave. I hope they are all happy now, to learn a real diagnosis and a bad one at that. I only wonder how he did it. Could he injure a rib throwing too hard or trying?

  412. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Melky’s a busy boy today.

    Oh, what I’d give to have runs in multiple innings.

  413. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    another good inning by Ian. Good to see. :)

  414. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    G Love,

    Honestly, when it comes to Hughes, I’m not looking to talk anybody off the ledge. If folks want to think he is a bust, there is nothing I can say that will change their minds.

    Even if its a silly thought.

    The comparisons I’m making between Hughes and Beckett are very valid. Look at Hughes’ minor league numbers.

    At 19 and 20 years old, he was dominant and his stuff was pristine for such a young pitcher.

    You don’t become the #1 pitching prospect in baseball without having great stuff.

    There wasn’t a talent evaluator in the game who didn’t think he was going to be great. Many thought they were looking at the next Curt Schilling.

    He has that kind of talent For whatever reason (maybe it was this injury) he was struggling.

    I watched Beckett come up through the Marlins system and I watched Hughes the same way. Both guys are very much alike.

    Beckett had more stop/starts in his career than Hughes has had. The difference is, the Marlins played before nobody, there wasn’t the media attention to Beckett’s every start, and he was allowed to work through his problems.

    Folks just have to be patient with young pitchers. Unfortunately, many Yankee fans aren’t patient. Mainly because they have never had to deal with the ups and downs of young pitching in their histories following the team.

  415. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Chi Dave –

    I didn’t think they were lying – but I never think anyone is lying and more times than not I’m disappointed. So, I hope for the best, cringe for the worst. Anything’s possible. I’m glad they weren’t lying, but I’m not happy Hughes is hurt.

  416. Joe from Long Island May 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Hey, Ian’s got a you-know-what after two!

  417. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    UPDATE, 7:22 p.m.: . . . Hopefully Kennedy can just relax and pitch his game. We’ve all seen that he can do it.

    OK – my only amendment is that hopefully he can do this w/o coughing so hard that he causes a stress fracture in his 9th rib and has to stop throwing for 4 weeks.

  418. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    I was at the Reggie Bar game too! And I didn’t throw mine either!

    If I recall, the Reggie Bar was sort of like a hockey puck-shaped version of the Baby Ruth, wasn’t it?

  419. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    jennifer – Yes, it really sucks for Phil, and it is certainly an odd injury, isn’t it? I’m no doctor, though, so I couldn’t comment on how something like that would come about. Heck, all I really care about now is that he heals up and simultaneously discovers his old pitching form!

  420. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Hell-I kinda thought the Yankees were up to something. I also thought Phil was injured.

    So basically..I didn’t know what to think yesterday. lol

    Just hope Phil feels better. I wanna see him come back and shut up a whole lotta people.

  421. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Joe -

    :D

  422. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    so far, so good….can they end the game after 2 innings and call it in our favor ??? :-)

  423. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    TK – Hey, don’t even joke like that, man!!!

  424. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Doesn’t look like Rick Springfield does, but HE DOES HAVE A SHUT OUT!

    If there is any justice at all for the Jays they’ll take tonight’s game.

  425. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    damn, I want a Reggie bar!! i’m too young :( …. now I have to get some oreo’s!! geez I act younger then I am lol

  426. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Hey did anyone hear if the pitcher for the Astros got suspended for throwing up and in at name that molina?? (Yadier)

  427. mel May 1st, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Argh. Looks like Robertson’s settled down. Keep on chugging, Ian.

  428. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    Nick in SF,

    Yes, that’s the way I remember it too…that’s an accurate description of the Reggie bar…by the way, I only found out recently that Moose has a candy bar named after him too…

  429. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    What’s with all the pop outs and flies to center?

  430. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Doreen, I too am someone who tends to believe and doesn’t see a spy behind every tree. Yes I’ve been disappointed at times, but guess what? Never by the Yankee organization. So I actually thought people who were believing it was a wink wink injury were pretty nutty. Seriously, if you can breathe for a minute and ask yourself a question and answer it in all honesty, who is more forthcoming and sincere than Brian Cashman? Please anyone who thinks otherwise, please tell me one time that Cashman was deceptive about anything. Thank you. You’re right. That isn’t who he is.

    So Doreen my advice to you is to continue to trust until you’re given good reason not to. It sure beats going through life the other way!

  431. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    i love the Yankees.

    Lost= Great show.

  432. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 1st, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Dynasty it is very good. the moose bar that is.

  433. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    JoeT –

    Don’t worry about being too young for Reggie bars. Hell, Girardi doesn’t even let 39 year-old Mike Mussina have ice cream in the club house between starts! :)

    Here’s what it looked like:

    http://www.candywrappermuseum......ckson.html

  434. MichiganYankee May 1st, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Pete, in your injury log, you left out Phil’s ankle injury suffered while rehabbing the hamstring last year.

    Are we sure he hasn’t been driving with supermodels in the rain?

  435. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Lost should be good tonight

    Let’s go Ian!

    Now if only the Rangers can win tonight.. :|

  436. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    jennifer – What’s in a Moose bar? What company makes them?

  437. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    It’s 1-0 Blue Jays, by the way.

    My hope for this game is that the Yanks are far enough ahead by 10 p.m. EDT that I can feel safe enough to watch the east coast feed of Lost and now have to wait another 3 hours.

    And I might have to go out and get a Baby Ruth bar too.

  438. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Dynasty guess what? The shut out is gone!

    :)

    Jays 1-0.

    GO JAYS!!!

  439. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    TKinDC,

    Thanks for that link…pretty cool!

  440. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    rain? Ugh

  441. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    haha…. thanks TK

  442. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    There goes Damon. Did you see him wince?

  443. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Keep it together Ian

  444. miggs May 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Brett Gardner, come on down !!!

  445. geO May 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    replay of last nite game anyone?

  446. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Damon the next DL casualty.

  447. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Trisha,

    Cool!

  448. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    And here’s the Moose candy bar wrapper: http://www.candywrappermuseum......ussina.jpg

  449. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Giveaway run. When you are struggling, you hate to giveaway runs like that.

    Got to play better defense with the offense struggling. A horrible play by Damon in left and Moeller has got to block that ball.

  450. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Jennifer,

    Which do you like better? Reggie bar or Moose bar?

  451. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    So now we have another superstition that we can use!

  452. Jeff NJ May 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Pete that post is big of you. All indications were that the Yankees fudged this injury, now we all know better. Unfortunately Hughes will now be known as injury-prone, hopefully he turns that around next year.

    As for this year, the silver lining is that Hughes will be fresh for the end of the season and may be able to provide a good burst of energy for the late season push. He came back pretty strong last year.

    Hughes will have to sit with this bad start with no chance to erase it for a long time. Opposite of last year where he went down in the midst of a perfect game. Phil will need his mental strength more than ever now.

  453. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Booing now? That is pretty counterproductive, no?

  454. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Oh, Ian…You’re such a tease!

  455. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    “Folks just have to be patient with young pitchers. Unfortunately, many Yankee fans aren’t patient.”

    i have no problem being patient with one rookie in the rotation. two is where i lose patience. i think on the yankees that 40% of the rotation is just to much. it puts too much pressure to win on the two for one thing.

    the red sox really only have one rookie in the rotation in buccholz. lester is older and has a lot of innings as a base. he’s certainly not a rookie.

  456. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    SJ44,

    Agree, maybe the rain hampered Damon…it seemd like that to me…it was pretty awful, though…

  457. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 1st, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    I’m not old enough for a reggie bar

  458. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Come on, Ian, get it back together. You’re better than this!

  459. jimmy27 May 1st, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    I was at the Reggie Bar game – I ate mine as soon as we got to the seats.

  460. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    strikes Ian

  461. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Kennedy throws a splitter? Didn’t know that.

  462. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 1st, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Chicago Dave

    http://sweetshoppe.wolfgangcan.....shoppe.asp

  463. Sterling Steiner May 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    I’ve honestly had enough of this garbage.

  464. Yankee Fan in Boston May 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    he was looking so good…

  465. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Doesn’t it seem like it always rains when Kennedy and Hughes pitch? Literally and figuratively…

  466. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    I don’t get to read Pete’s updates until after the game so seriously Pete didn’t even see you suggest that the injury might not be real. All I thought was that you were questioning the timing of the announcement. However, I did see some posters here asserting that it was fake with such vehemence that I thought they actually knew something the rest of us didn’t.

  467. Sterling Steiner May 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    I hate that Abreu is afraid of the wall…
    And wow, Cabrera just hit a triple.

  468. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    kennedy is going to get abreau killed out there.

  469. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    jennifer – THANKS!!! I’m going to order some for sure!

  470. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Abreu scared of the wall. That ball was catchable.

  471. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Simply awful…Abreu and walls don’t mix….

  472. Matt May 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    This is dreadful.

  473. geO May 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    hate to say I told ya so

  474. Yankee Fan in Boston May 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Damon misses that pop fly, and Kennedy just absolutely falls apart. Clearly a different pitcher after Damon misses that flare.

    Really really sad to see. Complete headcase situation.

  475. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    He’s running up his pitch count. And one too many FB to Ordonez.

  476. Max May 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Is it time? I think so. Fire Girardi.

  477. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    It appears than Ian may get wuss-like when there are runners on base or someone is in scoring position. I don’t think he can’t throw strikes, I think he gets nervous.

    Hopefully the offense picksw it up.

  478. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    geez – the kid is rolling along and we can’t give him a LITTLE bit of help…. that was awful by both corners of the outfield

  479. jay destro May 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    when it rains it pours for the yankees lately

  480. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Danny McCutcheon, your’re up next. He’s pitching tonight in Trenton.

    Call him up to take Kennedy’s spot in the rotation.

    Can’t keep having guys in the rotation who can’t give them innings.

    Its Danny’s turn now to see if he can do the job.

    4-3 with this offense? Gotta pray for rain now.

  481. Mark Alan May 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    So THIS is what if feels like to be a Kansas City Royals fan. I promise to remember this in October.

  482. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    By the way, kudos to Pete for making that apology.

  483. mel May 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Ack! All the damage done with 2 outs.

    Let’s go guys!

  484. Jeff NJ May 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Both Abreu and Damon were awful that inning and both looked shaken up at some point. Mr. Gardner, pack your bags, you’ll be on you’re wa up soon.

  485. Jeff NJ May 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Both Abreu and Damon were awful that inning and both looked shaken up at some point. Mr. Gardner, pack your bags, you’ll be on you’re way up soon.

  486. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Too bad we can’t DH Abreu…

  487. longtime May 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    I’m really glad we have Joba for the 8th!!!!!!!!!!! Get him in the rotation

  488. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    That was very disappointing.

  489. The Melk Man Always Knocks Twice May 1st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    this unreal you cant even watch this team anymore

  490. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Can’t believe some actually want Abreu re-signed.

  491. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Could these guys be hitting the ball any harder off IPK? I realize it’s Detroit, but man… If you can’t crack the 90s velocity-wise, better get some better movement on your stuff, young man!

  492. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    It looks to me that Kennedy gets rattled easily at this stage of his career. I would expect that as he matures, he will deal with adversity a little better.

    I also think he’ll be fine next inning.

    The problem is Robertson seems to have settled in, so…

  493. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    “So THIS is what if feels like to be a Kansas City Royals fan. ”
    don’t feel bad, i keep wondering why images of horace clarke keep popping up in my mind.

  494. Paul May 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    abreu has to answer to those gaffes

  495. V May 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Say what you will about Kennedy, but this defense is godawful. Absolutely, totally, completely worthless.

  496. Ryan May 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    I realize that was hit hard but Abreu should make that play. Thats the first time he has touched in the wall in who knows how long and I’m betting its the last time this season.

    And that ball in LF should have been caught by Damon or at least held to a single.

    Not trying to make excuses for Kennedy but our defense has to make the plays when they happen.

  497. geO May 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    we need baseball players that are hungry for winning not aging soft players like half of thier roster.

  498. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Well I look at it a little differently. The pitcher needs to make the flippin pitches so people aren’t having to jump walls! The Yankees spotted Ian a 3-run lead. His job was to keep putting up zeroes.

    I said it last night and I’ll say it again. It all starts with pitching. The rotten Sux won two damned games in a row in the 9th. Games that were SCORELESS going into the 8th. If we aren’t going to pitch, we aren’t going to win.

  499. David May 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Now is about the time the Yankees offense usually shuts down and looks defeated.

  500. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Even if it rains, they’ll wait and wait, or they’ll play because Detroit ain’t comin’ back to NYC.

  501. Kj May 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    great news the yankees will face Erik Bedard and Felix Hernandez the next 2 games

  502. geO May 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    someone remind that Abreu that he isn’t in left field at Fenway.

  503. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Like I said before…it would just be better to tell Abreu to play up against the wall…

  504. Bam Bam Muelens May 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    not really IPK’s fault that Bobby is scared of walls and Damon played that ball like an idiot. But, the walk was his fault.

  505. Ron May 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    This offense is frustrating as all hell. They have Robertson on the ropes, and now he’s going to shut them down, just like with Bonderman yesterday.

    And Kennedy, who is pitching his way back to Scranton, can’t step up at all.

    This season is just going wonderfully so far.

  506. Neil May 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    A chance to get swept by Kenny Rogers, Jeremy Bonderman, and Nate Robertson…that is embarrassing

  507. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    what’s abreau supposed to do ? those were rockets out there.

  508. Micky#7 May 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    I’m sorry bit Bigies are paid to make those plays…Johnny/Bobby. One has a bad leg (Johnny) and the other one is afraid of the wall…both should be charged with the runs not the pitcher.

  509. Paul May 1st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    so clutzy… he totally missed the wall and fell down like a bag of seed

  510. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Wait, let me back up several posts where the entire forum was chanting BOBBY!

    what have you done for me lately?

    Ooo, ooo ooo, oo yeah.

  511. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Yep, aging position players and young pitchers just ain’t a good mix!

    Boston really knew what they were doing when they didn’t really try to re-sign Damon. He has broken down incredibly quickly over the past few years.

  512. Ron May 1st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    The defense has hurt Kennedy. But he’s getting hit hard, and for some god forsaken reason he hasn’t figured out that he can’t walk people. If he has a K/BB ratio tilted in the wrong direction, he’s not going to pitch well. And until he find his command, he’s a burden to this roster.

  513. V May 1st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    “Well I look at it a little differently. The pitcher needs to make the flippin pitches so people aren’t having to jump walls! The Yankees spotted Ian a 3-run lead. His job was to keep putting up zeroes.

    I said it last night and I’ll say it again. It all starts with pitching. The rotten Sux won two damned games in a row in the 9th. Games that were SCORELESS going into the 8th. If we aren’t going to pitch, we aren’t going to win.”

    And the Blue Jays pitched well and still lost.

    When you’re spotted a lead, you throw strikes. Sometimes you give up big hits. So what? Kennedy was doing well, throwing strikes, getting outs. Then his defense turned some of those outs into ‘hits’.

  514. Yankee Fan in Boston May 1st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    It definitely feels like this team can’t buy a hit. I have little to no confidence when we come to the plate now.

    I miss A-Rod just for the constant potential to jack one.

  515. geO May 1st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    randy l

    Abreu is a highly paid player he has to play hard for the money he earns… these are professional baseball players not little soft sissys.

  516. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    trisha,

    With all due respect, I agree that you have to pitch better, but that play that Abreu botched-c’mon that should have been caught…no excuse for that…

  517. jennifer- I got your back Girardi May 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    Pete you can place a lot of the blame for that inning on the defense or lack there of.

  518. Paul May 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    9 up 9 down

  519. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    I kinda blame Damon and Abreu more for that than IPK
    Those were catches people can and should make.

  520. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    we really need to score in more then one inning a game…. lets try that lol

  521. Ryan May 1st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Wow, some telling stats about what Giambi does for the team huh?

    Last year they were 42-41 with him in the lineup and 52-27 when he wasn’t. I know it doesn’t mean much but still. Pretty crazy difference there.

  522. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    geO-

    In case you weren’t paying attention, that sissy hit a 3 run bomb about 15 minutes ago.

  523. V May 1st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Well, we’re losing, so the offense is going to get itself out.

    They lose all semblance of hitting ability when losing.

  524. Christopher May 1st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    If Kennedy gets sent down, who’s the next cab off the rank after Rasner?

    Roger Clemens’ 6-6, 4.18 ERA doesn’t look too bad now.

  525. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    It has to be said…You have to be a true Yankee fan to stick with this team this year. Front-runners please apply elsewhere!

  526. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Alright, shake it off Ian and back to work. Behave

    Same goes for Damon and Bobby out there

  527. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Dynasty, it’s absolutely fine for you to see it differently. Ian doesn’t start throwing meatballs, there are no meatballs to be caught in the outfield.

    I really am tired of seeing pitchers fall apart right before my eyes.. It is tiresome to me to see someone pitching like he’s on fire and all of a sudden throw junk.

  528. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    I’m with you for the long run Dave :)

  529. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Crashing into the wall doesn’t define effort.

    Geez, those balls are rockets.

    Sorry but, as a pitcher you have to be able to minimize damage.

    Unfortunately, Kennedy can’t do that at this stage of his career.

    Its pretty hard to blame Abreu for balls that were hit like rockets and would have taken great catches to make.

    How about getting Ramon Santiago, a non hitter, out?

    He just is too timid in the strikezone to be counted on right now.

    Time to give Danny McCutcheon the next start. At this point, he can’t be any worse than Kennedy right now.

  530. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    “Abreu is a highly paid player he has to play hard for the money he earns… these are professional baseball players not little soft sissys.”

    maybe with kennedy pitching, he should start out in a sprinter’s stance aimed towards the wall .

  531. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    THROW THAT CHANGE-UP…. it looks great tonight

  532. Paul May 1st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    last year they predicted 1000 runs…this year they are 10th out of 14 teams

  533. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Hey, you’re all right! Or wrong! Ian needs to pitch better AND Bobby needs to play better close to the wall!

    Go Ian! Go Bobby! Go Yanks!

  534. pat May 1st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Here’s what I was just told about rib stress fractures- she’s a PT with not alot of experience with non impact fractures but she knows more than most of us.

    Likely caused by repetitive motion and compression of the muscles. For what it’s worth, she says more likely to happen in the weight room than on the pitchers mound. Because of his age and sex, bone density shouldn’t be the issue.

    He should be allowed to do low impact lower body work to keep up the conditioning of his legs after a short period of complete inactivity but probably can’t return to upper body conditioning for 4-6 weeks.

    She also recommended Tums for Phil and all of you. It’s a good source of calcium which helps with bone health but also helps with the “agita” this team causes.

  535. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Abreu should of caught that ball BUT Kennedy does not belong in the majors. He was fine until Damon couldn’t catch that ball and then he lost it. Walks Sheff, had Magg down 1-2 starts nibbling and then threw a pitch right down the middle. The pitch to Cabrera even though it should of been caught it was right down the middle. The 1st 2 innings were fine and then 1 person gets on and he is scared to throw a strike. If he is too scared to throw strikes then he shouldn’t be in the majors.

  536. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Kennedy has to get through six tonight. I don’t care if it takes him 120 pitches.

  537. frits May 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    All I will say is this:

    21-29, 14.5 games back of Boston, end of May 2007. And we won the Wild Card.

    Keep ya heads up. It ain’t over yet.

  538. MikeEff- Protect Shelley's Quad May 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    well that 123 has to give him some confidence back

  539. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    I hope that 1-2-3 inning gives the offense a lift. They’re only 1 down. They really can do this. If Ian Kennedy can trust his stuff even after he’s just made a mistake, he’ll be okay. He needs to get through 1, dare I hope for 2 more innings and it’ll be somewhat of a moral victory.

  540. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    YAY Ian. Great job

  541. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Joe – You’re right! Ian needs to stop throwing those BP fastballs completely. Go with the junk exclusively…

  542. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Everybody seems to think they are ahead. If not, why swing at every first pitch.

    Nobody works counts on this team anymore. Just amazing.

  543. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Is there a chance that the Yanks might score another run in this game? Or are they done and the bats were sent home for the day..?!

  544. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    That’s it, we’re in business…gotta score here!

    Let’s Go Yanks!

  545. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Cano- here’s your chance to snap out of it

  546. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    come on Robbie dear

  547. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    A hit by Ensberg is a definite sign of the apocalypse. BE AFRAID!!! ;)

  548. V May 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    SJ44 – totally disagreed on Kennedy.

    Patience.

    He melted down after a horrid play (injury and rain did not help) by Damon. I can’t explain the rest of the inning, but that should have at least been held to a single (and a decent OF-er catches it).

    You have a 3-run lead, you throw strikes. Kennedy was doing that, and was cruising. Excellent pitching with the lead.

    He’s shown enough to make me believe – a bad inning here or there notwithstanding, he is a major league pitcher.

  549. Marc from Portland Maine May 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Ummm, Robby?

  550. Daver May 1st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    why does cano insist on swinging at the first pitch????

  551. Patrick May 1st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Wait how was that fly ball to Damon not a single + an error? It was a bloop single that he misplayed into an extra base. Should be 4 runs, 3 earned.

    And Cano chokes again.. he looks lost. If he ends the season above .240 I’ll be shocked.

  552. V May 1st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    “A hit by Ensberg is a definite sign of the apocalypse. BE AFRAID!!!”

    I really don’t get the anti-Ensberg sentiment.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see him hit .300 while a full-timer.

  553. Paul May 1st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    does a close up of Chad Moeller look somewhat like Homer Simson, or what?

  554. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Can we ship Cano to the Dodgers so he can be reunited with Bowa? It’s the only way he’ll ever be decent again, it seems…

  555. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Can someone hit smack Cano over the head with a bat?!! Does he ever know why he is swinging at a pitch or even know when he should swing at a pitch?!! I think it is time that someone reads him the riot act as far and staying awake during the game when hitting .155

  556. David May 1st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    I know it’s mostly Kennedy’s fault, but if the defense isn’t going to be able to make plays and they aren’t going to be able to hit opposing pitching then the only way the 4 and 5 spot in the rotation are going to win games is if you put Joba in there so he can strike out 10 and minimize the use of this sub par comprimized defense. I mean come on, let’s see the Yankee offense win one of these games or an outfielder make a diving catch or something. It’s pathetic when your right fielder is jumping 8 feet in front of the wall for a ball that hits towards the bottom. If Melky Cabrera can hand out over the wall then Abreu should be able to get at least close to it. These are pedestrian pitchers they are facing and they just look over-matched. And we hear all this stuff about Santana, you know what, if Santana was on this team and he was giving up his usual 3 runs as he is this season and the Yankees were scoring their usual 2, he’d be getting dealt an awful lot of losses.

  557. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Leadoff double for Eckstein. Standing next to Pedroyer, they look like a couple of ferrets.

  558. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    There is a reason why guys like Cano can’t hit above .150. That AB.

    Why swing at the first pitch? What is the logic to that?

    Work the guy and make him have to throw you a pitch in your zone.

    Too many guys this season have lost all patience at the plate. Its why they no longer hit with RISP.

    You wonder how long its going to take these guys to make the adjustment.

    30 games in the books and not a single adjustment. Gonna be a long year unless they make adjustments.

  559. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Cano is just struggling like I’ve never seen before…this is worse than last year in my opinion…but I haven’t checked the stats…

  560. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Kennedy seems to really stink for one inning and gets it together after that.

  561. Betsy May 1st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Ok, I’ve calmed down. I’m going to be positive about this. Phil didn’t suffer an arm injury and he will be back eventually. If he can pitch in July (I think he should stay in the minors the rest of the year), at least he’ll have a good couple of months to work out his kinks and get back to where we all know he can be. It sucks that next year he’ll have to be on an innings count too, but really, all I want this kid to do is stay healthy.

  562. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    YanksAngel, I’m afraid that Robby’s breakout may not come in critical situations. Probably the opposite.

    I have to agree with SJ44 and Captains Corner. Those were freakin rockets. If you’re going to fold because you start to give up hits, you don’t have the head for the majors. We need our pitchers to minimize damage, not do it!

    Anyway, don’t mistake this to think I am saying I don’t believe the Yankees will be there in the end. I know they will. But I agree with the posters who say that this is sometimes painful to watch in the meantime!

  563. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    I think Cano will end up around .285, but he needs to sit. He just looks defeated. And yet, he still swings at the darn first pitch.

    Could it be the rest of the league is finally able to counter the Yankees “deep counts” offense?

  564. dennis m May 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    well, here we go another typical 2008 yankee game.

    multiple hits.walks ZERO risp hits.

    we get a few runs in the first 3, then THATS IT

    WOOT LETS GO YANKS!!!

  565. Paul May 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    another rox sox blue jay one run game in the works…

  566. Micky#7 May 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    SJ44, I very seldom disagree with you but in this case I must.
    Both Balls (Johnny/Bobby) were bad plays by the fielders. The ball got by Johnny and Bobby was(and is)afraid of the wall…one more step and he catches the ball. 27/08.

  567. Mark Alan May 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Randy…

    I’m a little bit young for the Horace Clarke Era, but the dying days of the networks’ ownership speak for themselves. If this painful experience lasts a few games longer, we’ll have to name it for a player. I don’t know what would work, as we shouldn’t bust on the young pitchers, but maybe the Wilson Betamit Era would work.

  568. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    That was very disappointing

    c’mon Ian!

  569. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Nick -

    You are one funny guy!

    :D

  570. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    “They’re only 1 down. They really can do this.”

    why not? it’s only 4-3.

    robertson isn’t exactly a lock. even leyland seems to have little faith in him. i actually like robertson because it seems like he knocks ortiz on his butt at least once a game when he pitches against the red sox.

    as a yankee fan, that’s something new and fun to watch.

  571. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Here’s the problem V. Everyone one of his “one bad innings” are 3-4 run innings and costs his team the game.

    He’s got talent but he’s not ready for primetime.

    Sure, if the Yankees were a good hitting team, you could give him more starts.

    But, they are not a good hitting team right now. In fact, they are an awful hitting team right now.

    They can’t afford to keep rolling him out there for starts.

    He needs to go to AAA and they need to go in a different direction.

    Too many meltdowns and that’s not what you want with a young pitcher.

  572. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    When did this wall issue become an issue with Abreu…I don’t remember it being such a big issue before…did he get hurt hitting a wall or something in the past?

    Maybe he should just wear football equipment…couldn’t hurt…

  573. Paul May 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    so phil was pitching with a brokeen rib? any idea when that might have happenned?

  574. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    What do the Rangers want for Sidney Ponson? (JUST KIDDING!!!)

  575. David May 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    The offensive struggles are so impossible to understand because why can they hit the ball hard and have good at bats one inning and then look lost at the plate? I HIGHLY doubt that these pedestrian pitchers are going into the dugout and making adjustments that cause the Yankee hitters to look lost at the plate. Maybe Kevin Long needs to be evaluated… The approach of the offense just looks weak and they look over matched.

  576. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    This game is just like yesterday score 2 runs in the first have the pitcher on the ropes. Then go home for the night.

  577. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Hey, it’s “Babe Ruth” Polanco again…

  578. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Pitcher need to minimize damage, and ya know what…sometimes the rest of the team needs to do their part too.

    Well that out took forever

  579. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Based on what Kay is saying right now, then the Yankees might as well never try to develop their own pitching prospects. Be real. Ahh, whatever.

  580. jimmy27 May 1st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Show me that smile again

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liFmMcmigsQ

    sing along

  581. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Pitching is what wins in the postseason. Therefore I’d REALLY love to see some dress rehearsals now.

    The hitting will come around. Anyone who doesn’t believe that is foolhardly, in my opinion. But cripes, you can’t have your team deficit spending all the time!

    PITCH DAMMIT!

  582. randy l May 1st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    mark alan-
    i was making a joke because of so much going wrong, but nothing about this team could be as bad as back then. i notice peter a. has said in his updates that the yankees are going to have to go outside the organization for a starting pitcher.

    i’ve been saying that for a while. they need a veteran third starter. if they do that, a lot will fall into place. images of horace clarke should get fewer and farther in between.

  583. Jaewon May 1st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Kennedy is pitching fantastically this game. He’s throwing strikes, being aggressive, and getting outs. He got hit hard in the 3rd, but his defense certainly didn’t help him. He got rattled and gave up some extra base hits. OK. He is a kid.

    While that inning was unacceptable, Kennedy has showed that he CAN pitch in this league. You also have to love the way he rebounded after that inning.

    Go Yanks.

  584. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    YAY!

    Jays picked up another run.

  585. Neil May 1st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    It’s one inning a night that ends up costing them the game because they don’t want to hit.

  586. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    A couple nights ago they gave some stat about Polanco as a 2-strike hitter and how he shortens his swing. It made me think of Arod and all his pop-ups this season. Was it a mistake to give him home run incentives in his contract? Can they swap some of those out for sac fly incentives and RBI incentives? Probably not.

  587. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Just like that at bat to Sheff. He starts with strikes going right after him. Then gets to 2 strikes and starts nibbling. With his stuff that isn’t going to get it done up here. Also he got out of the 3rd inning but 95 pitches in 5 innings.

  588. Westerner99 May 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    SJ – Why is McCutcheon in AA and not AAA?

  589. mmx May 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Cano is really killing Yankees. Has been hitting with blindfold on. Can’t stand it no more.

  590. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    I guess the Yankees should always go out and buy pitching.
    Of course the Yankees want to win the WS this year but I haven’t heard Hank say we better win it this year or else.

  591. sunny615 May 1st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    bye bye kennedy

    hello rasner

  592. bronxbomber77 May 1st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    2-0 Toronto !

  593. David May 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    trisha, Ian Kennedy is the Yankees 5th starter. If you’re looking for a pitcher to hold the other team to 2 runs then look to Wang or Pettitte, not your 23 year old 5th starter who knows if he gives up any sort of runs he’s most likely going to lose the game…

    And yeah, pitching is what wins in the postseason, which is why you don’t have your 5th starter pitching in the postseason…

  594. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    The boos are not “raining down” on Kennedy. There were a few boos, but don’t make it sound like everyone was booing!

  595. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    GAH! c’mon Kennedy. You can do this

  596. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    2 outs, nobody on, 0-2 to Sheffield and he walks him and now gives up another hit to Ordonez.

    Absolutely unacceptable. Got to get him out of there now, or its game over.

    He needs 150 AAA innings before you can evaluate him, IMO.

    6 starts, 0 wins, no ability to go deep into the game. That’s not getting it done.

    The difference between McCutcheon and Kennedy is threefold:

    1. Stuff. McCutcheon sits 92-94 and has the second best changeup to Edwar in the organization.
    2. Age 25 vs. 23.
    3. He’s been to the bottom (suspended for PED use) dealt with it, and made it back. That takes guts.

    Call him up, put Bruney on the 60 DL to make room for McCutcheon on the 40 man roster, and let’s see what he’s got.

  597. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    IPK didn’t pitch bad at all….

    4 runs in 4.2 doesn’t look too great but only 5 hits and if Damon makes that play in left and Abreu makes the other in right the Yankees are still up 3-0

    He had one bad inning tonight…. if that

  598. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Sunny, Rasner has already gotten his greeting. It was bye bye Hughes, hello Rasner.

  599. Max May 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    We are just horrendous.
    Time for a trade.

    Well Ian, it was nice knowing ya, I hope you have a place in Scranton, that’s where you’ll be for some time. See you soon Kei.

  600. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Oh well..bye bye Ian
    Hello ALba

    You can do this Alba!

  601. Chicago Dave May 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Still throwing mid-80s fastballs to fastball hitters? What?!!

  602. Marc from Portland Maine May 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Great Yankee fans at the Stadium booing Kennedy. I know the kid didn’t do well, but they really gotta support these kids.

  603. Neil May 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Maybe if Hughes and Kennedy pitched on the same day every time, we could get 6 innings out of them.

  604. Sterling Steiner May 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    How ya doing Kei Igawa?

  605. longtime May 1st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    don’t worry we have Joba for the 8th! get him in the rotation

  606. MikeEff- Protect Shelley's Quad May 1st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    “He needs to go to AAA and they need to go in a different direction.”

    what direction?

    your pompous opinions sway with the wind— i just can’t believe people here take you seriously.

  607. Clay Bellinger May 1st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Bring on Igawa!! Bring the guy up and see if he is any better. He is pitching well in Scranton and it is obvious that Kennedy needs work things out. I would be ecstatic if Kennedy could have pitched 6 full with 4 runs…

  608. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Why can’t Girardi let him finish it. How are the youngsters suppose to learn. They may need that education later in their careers.

  609. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Dave I hear what you’re saying. But even your 5th starter needs to win games. And he needs to go deeper into games than 4+innings.

  610. bronxbomber77 May 1st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    “IPK didn’t pitch bad at all…”

    Uhhh…. 4 runs in 4 2/3 innings, and already the NYY bullpen is getting used. Again.

    He didn’t pitch bad. He pitched horrible. 3 walks in those 4 innings and an ERA now of 8.37.

    Freakin’ stellar!

  611. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Imagine the level we have sunk to when we start thinking of Igawa as a solution to our problems…

  612. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Westerner,

    Good question. I am surprised he hasn’t been called up yet.

    It doesn’t matter in terms of a promotion though. The Red Sox called up Masterson from AA when they needed an emergency starter.

    Its time. Kennedy is just too timid in the strikezone and they need somebody to give them innings from that slot in the rotation.

    Doreen,

    Its a delicate balancing act, re: developing young pitchers.

    You have to balance the teams best interests with the players best interests.

    Unfortunately, Kennedy just isn’t good enough right now to give the Yankees what they need, while developing at the same time.

    No matter how much they tell him, he can’t stop nibbling.

    At some point, you have to step back and move on from him right now. AAA is the best place for him right now.

    Nice job by Albie. Too bad the bullpen has to pitch another complete game tonight.

  613. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    nice job Alby!

  614. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Rob – if the Yankees were 4 or 5 games over 500, Girardi could afford to let Ian try to finish out. After losing 2 in a row, Girardi wants a win for the team. I think it’s a smart move.

  615. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    SJ44 the PED’s suspension wasn’t there something in his medication that was banned he got nailed for supposedly using PED’s? That’s what I read when it came out.

  616. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    MikeEff,

    I already said what they should do. Call up McCutcheon and see what he can do.

    If you don’t like the opinions, don’t read them.

  617. David May 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    This situation is where they should trot Joba out and stretch him out to enter the rotation. It’s clearly time. No reason they can’t begin the process right now. It’s becoming disgraceful that the Yankees best arm is sitting in the bullpen every night while the starters get abused and Joba Chamberlain sits and chats with Mariano Rivera the whole night. It is so frustrating having this guy in the bullpen who can potentially lift this team from the ashes and instead he’s pitched a total of 11.1 innings.

  618. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    I would feel more confident starting Albaladejo and Ohlendorf…really wonder…

  619. RayBlay May 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    who kidnapped sidney ponson and replaced him with a pitcher?

  620. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Rock on Alba
    get to work bats

  621. bronxbomber77 May 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Not hanging the flag on the season, but I’m waving the white flag on Kennedy.

    He’s clearly not ready for the Big Show.

    He need to go down to the minors and work for a month.

    Rebuild confidence. Same with Hughes, once he’s healthy again.

    Someone call Freddy Garcia. Someone’s got to throw the ball and make it to the sixth inning, at least.

    Is Wang, Moose and Pettitte all gonna log 325 innings each this year?!?!?!? Obviously not.

    Or is the bullpen going to pitch five innings every night?

    PITCHERS WANTED!
    Inquire within!

  622. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Dynasty, well I gotta say that freaky ole me still believes in Igawa.

    Now let me say this. Our bullpen has been hauling butt. I hope they can rescue us tonight. That said, in a one run game the offense HAS to pick up the pace. We’re not talking a 5 run lead.

  623. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    No matter if Kennedy gives up 4 runs or 6 runs every time out they absolutely can not have someone in the rotation that can’t even pitch 5 innings in any start ever!! It is just not possible. Look at Wright people used to complain and go on and on that he threw 100 pitch in 5 innings but atleast he was pitching 5 inning!! Yanks would love if Kennedy could do twhat Wright did. 5 innings is short in its own but 2,3,4 innings is not possible when you have 2 other starters in the rotation that you don’t know if they are going to get people out either.

  624. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    they’ve come back 7 times? It doesn’t feel like it. :(

  625. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    What in the world is Damon swinging at??!?!?!!

  626. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Was that a major league swing?

  627. RustyJohn May 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    At least Kei Igawa didn’t have an ERA of 9.

  628. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    He swung at ball 4, 3 times!!!!

  629. This Year May 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    I have been a fan of McCutcheon for 2 years. He had a so-so outing (for him ) tonight. 4 runs in 6 inning, 8 hits, but 8 ks.

  630. David D. May 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Good job by Girardi to get the hook and not let the game get out of hand. Anyone who is old enough to remember would know that Torre was somewhat ruthless when he started managing the Yankees.

    The best way to help the young pitchers is to win games- period. The Yankees have the talent to win WS this year and have 2 future HOFers in their prime on the roster. The time to win is now.

  631. Clay Bellinger May 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Jeter is the captain he needs to step up and carry the team for a couple weeks.

  632. V May 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Kennedy timid in the strike zone? Huh?

    His meltdown came when he served up some meatballs in the strike zone.

    He was pitching well up to that point – throwing strikes.

  633. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    It’s contagious….

  634. Frank Discussion May 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Kennedy was tolerable until he had baserunners, then he turns into a completely different pitcher. Simply put, he can’t stand up to the pressure. Starts nibbling at the corners, circling the mound, it’s evident he gets shaken up and loses trust in his stuff. Sorry IPK, looks like you are Scranton bound. Give McCutcheon a shot, has to be better then this.

    And how about that Cano… better luck sticking a mannequin in the batters box. He is an automatic out. He needs to get it together fast.

  635. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Converting Joba too early would be a panic move. There’s a plan in place that’s tied to his innings cap, I think they’re going to stick to it.

    Even if they panic, it’ll manifest itself in some other way.

  636. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Jax,

    Yes. It was an over the counter supplement that was improperly labeled.

    He still got stuck with the suspension, unfortunately. But, at least they got to the root of the positive test.

  637. Yankee Fan in Boston May 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Talk all you guys want about IPK. It’s Cano that’s killing me. Nothing but popups. Never good wood, never good swings, just popups and strikeouts. Really really poor approach.

  638. V May 1st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    And when McCutcheon is called up and bombs – then what?

  639. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Yeah i’ve seen enough of IPK. I just don’t think he is that good. Let’s see what else we got. I’m with SJ let’s see Danny McCutchen!

  640. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Trisha,

    Are you committed to raising pitchers, or do you not have the patience? Not you personally, but seriously, did people think these kids were going to be lights out or pitch like veterans.

    Either raise pitchers…. or send them for old crap. Rarely and I mean rarely do young pitchers come up and pitch fantastically. Kennedy could have gotten the last out, gone 5. That would have meant he pitched a serviceable game.

  641. V May 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    “Kennedy was tolerable until he had baserunners, then he turns into a completely different pitcher. Simply put, he can’t stand up to the pressure. Starts nibbling at the corners, circling the mound, it’s evident he gets shaken up and loses trust in his stuff. Sorry IPK, looks like you are Scranton bound. Give McCutcheon a shot, has to be better then this.

    And how about that Cano… better luck sticking a mannequin in the batters box. He is an automatic out. He needs to get it together fast.”

    It’s May 1st in Kennedy’s first full major league season. He will not learn to get major league hitters out in Scranton.

    Deal with it.

  642. David D. May 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Yankee Fan in Boston is right. With ARod and Posada out Cano should be stepping up. He looks lost; like he’s trying to hit a HR every time up.

  643. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    V,

    5 first pitch strikes to 19 hitters.

    3 walks in 4 2/3 innings.

    96 pitches in 4 2/3, 57 strikes, 39 balls. Not a good ratio.

    Yes, timid in the strikezone.

    Hey, I’d like to see the kid do well. But, he’s not ready to do it here and the Yankees can’t keep rolling him out there for these kind of short start efforts. It kills the bullpen.

  644. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    BTW

    We could have traded cano for santana. I would’ve done it. Robbie is killing my fantasy team!

  645. V May 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    “Yeah i’ve seen enough of IPK. I just don’t think he is that good. Let’s see what else we got. I’m with SJ let’s see Danny McCutchen!”

    Amazing – you can tell how good a pitcher is in 6 starts. Wow.

    Maddux sucked in his first year too.

  646. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Kei Igawa?? really??

    IPK was two defensive plays away from giving up no runs and would’ve pitched through the 5th inning, even if he gave up one or two runs.. but we’d be winning 3-2.

    I’d MUCH rather see IPK out there then Kei Igawa, if you’re going to take Ian out of the rotation then fine, but not for IPK… give the kid SJ44 is talking about a shot or one of the other kids.. not kei

  647. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Rally time!

  648. Glenn May 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    V
    May 1st, 2008 at 8:46 pm
    And when McCutcheon is called up and bombs – then what?
    - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - -

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained. All indications point to Daniel McCutchen being anything but timid in the strike zone. Why wait ? Wait for what ?

  649. Micky#7 May 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    V, your ok!
    Jax, your right.
    SJ44, your wrong. First you say he can’t nibble, then you say he can’t throw fastballs to fast ball hitters. Maybe we are seeing two different games…those runs are because the outfielders didn’t do their jobs. Not because of the pitcher throwing a meatball. So, respectively, I must disagree with you. 27/08.

  650. Steve Howe You Doin May 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Time for Duncan to be patient…

  651. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Where’s the Shelly Duncan of last year?!!!! Let’s Go Yanks!

  652. ShowMeThePogostick May 1st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    “The person this team misses most isn’t Joe Torre or Don Mattingly, it’s Larry Bowa. They need somebody to get this bunch going, especially Cano.”

    This is completely untrue, yet a common crutch people cling to, in order to explain Cano’s struggles. Larry Bowa’s absence has absolutely nothing to do with Cano’s performance so far.

    “That said, I’d rather see Kennedy than Kei Igawa.”

    Agreed!

  653. V May 1st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    1st inning:

    Ian Kennedy pitching:
    Curtis Granderson: Strike looking, Strike looking, Foul, Granderson lined out to center.
    Placido Polanco: Ball, Foul, Ball, Ball, Polanco flied out to center.
    Gary Sheffield: Strike looking, Ball, Strike swinging, Sheffield flied out to center.

    2nd inning:
    Ian Kennedy pitching:
    Magglio Ordonez: Ball, Ordonez grounded out to pitcher.
    Miguel Cabrera: Ball, Strike looking, Ball, Strike swinging, Ball, Cabrera walked.
    Carlos Guillen: Ball, Guillen flied out to center.
    Jacque Jones: Strike looking, Jones flied out to center.

    That looks great to me.

  654. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    V,

    What if he doesn’t? What if McCutcheon gives them what they need?

    You can’t make decisions based on, “what if he bombs”.

    You can only make decisions with the information that’s in front of you right now.

    Kennedy can’t go deep into games and hasn’t won in 6 starts. How many more games can the Yankees afford to give him if he can’t win?

    Sometimes, one may think a guy is ready to be a contributor in a rotation only to find out he isn’t ready.

    I don’t see any improvement from start to start. Its kind of tough to keep putting him out there and seeing these results.

  655. Steve Howe You Doin May 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    atta boy Dunc!

  656. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    That’s what I’m talking about!!!!

  657. David May 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    And that’s why you play Duncan instead of Giambi. A single for Giambi isn’t really a viable outcome of an at bat.

  658. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Rob, I am not convinced he could have gotten the last batter out. He already had two on base. His pitch count was high.

    I am committed to winning and if it means the kids get early hooks until the Yankees have enough steam behind them to let the kids experiment that’s what it means. And if it means they sit down after a period of time because they are absolutely not winning games and they keep showing the same problems, I say bring up our guys from AAA and see if they can win some games for us.

    The kids are young yes but I did expect more from them. I don’t doubt they we will eventually get it. But I’d like to have a functional team by the time that happens and not one that has had the stuffing knocked out of it by trying to play catch up all the time behind their poor outings.

    By the way, while I’m not sure of the exact age, I know there are other youngsters in the game who know how to pitch well. I believe the Mariners has one.

  659. shnausenhausen May 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Shelly Duncan looks a little bit retarded.

  660. Steve Howe You Doin May 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Tie game!

  661. Marc from Portland Maine May 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Great hit by Shelley!

  662. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Amazing how Jeter blows bubbles while running full speed.

  663. Laura May 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    I think Shelley just crushed Tony Pena’s ribs.

  664. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Shelly!! I love watching him!

  665. Westerner99 May 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    That’s got to feel good for the kid. After getting sent down due to roster issues, he gets back and eventually gets put in the clean-up slot for the first time in his career…and he comes through to tie the game.

  666. Steve Howe You Doin May 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    shnausenhausen – so do you.

  667. V May 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    “V,

    What if he doesn’t? What if McCutcheon gives them what they need?

    You can’t make decisions based on, “what if he bombs”.

    You can only make decisions with the information that’s in front of you right now.

    Kennedy can’t go deep into games and hasn’t won in 6 starts. How many more games can the Yankees afford to give him if he can’t win?

    Sometimes, one may think a guy is ready to be a contributor in a rotation only to find out he isn’t ready.

    I don’t see any improvement from start to start. Its kind of tough to keep putting him out there and seeing these results.”

    I do see improvement start to start. He had one bad inning in his prior start. He had one bad inning in this start (aided by his ‘defense’).

    One bad inning – that can be eliminated.

    As he learns, as he gains experience, he can learn to avoid those innings.

    He isn’t walking the bases loaded in every inning anymore – that’s improvement.

  668. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    3-0 Blue Jays on a Rios homer.

  669. Marc from Portland Maine May 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    In case anyone hasn’t noticed, the Red Sux have been leaving quite a few runners stranded on base. I’m watching both and I don’t see any offense with them right now :)

  670. Drive 4-5 May 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    I wanted Ian Kennedy to be successful, and maybe he will be some day. But it’s time to face the facts. Now that Phil Hughes is inactive, Kennedy has the fewest innings pitched per start of any pitcher in the major leagues. The only one worse in this category was Phil hughes. We now know that Phil at least had an excuse.

    With only 26 innings pitched in 6 starts and an ERA of 8.34 Ian Kennedy is arguably the worst starting pitcher in the major leagues at the moment.

    I wish Ian all the best. He seems like a terrific young man. But he MUST go NOW. You can argue who’s fault it is. But there is no argument that Ian Kennedy is not ready to pitch at the major league level. It wasnt fair to him or the team to just hand him a spot in the rotation based on only 4 starts in 2007.

  671. Laura May 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Matsui has been pitcher’s targets this year.

  672. S.A.-I believe in Kennedy & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Thank you Shelley!

  673. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Hey V what do you see that strikes you as Kennedy being any better than out other farm club options? He has looked alright, but aside from where he was picked in the draft this year and last year he just looks pedestrian. I can see your point. Let a young guy get his work and learn at the major league level. But Kennedy looks like he is 40 year old Moose, not 30 year old Moose. No need to start getting snarky and attacking the person saying things you dont like. Tell me what you see that makes you think Kennedy is anything special, don’t just say “wow” because you disagree with what i’m saying.

  674. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Jete just tied DiMaggio for runs scored – at 4th

    3. Mantle
    2. Gehrig
    1. Ruth

    Not bad!

  675. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    YTay!

    Jays 3-0.

  676. shnausenhausen May 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    The Yankee FO does seem to be attracted to guys with persistent dopey looks on their faces.

  677. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Wow – 4th all time in Yankee history for runs – Nice work Captain

  678. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Shelley needs to be given the chance to play every day.

  679. Laura May 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Come on, Melky! Be Clutch right here.

  680. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    V,

    Yes, Maddox had problems his first year.

    Two pretty big differences though.

    One, he played on an awful Cubs team. So, he was able to develop. Kennedy is playing on a team with playoff aspirations. He doesn’t have as much rope.

    Two, Kennedy isn’t Maddox. He just isn’t.

    I think he can be a good ML starting pitcher. Just not now.

    He can’t even pitch 5 innings per start. How does that help the team right now?

    I am not saying he is a “bust”. I am saying they can no longer afford these kind of starts and not risk killing their bullpen.

  681. V May 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    trisha: “By the way, while I’m not sure of the exact age, I know there are other youngsters in the game who know how to pitch well. I believe the Mariners has one.”

    He’s been in the Major League’s for three years.

    Check out his first six starts of 2006:

    http://www.retrosheet.org/boxe.....022006.htm

    And he has -much- better stuff than Kennedy.

  682. Shelly May 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep!

  683. Steve Howe You Doin May 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Melkman looks confident this year. Like he’s been at it for a long time…

  684. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Trisha,

    You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either you are going to patient with the youngsters, and let them win, or be committed to winning. If you are committed to winning, you should trade away all youngsters who aren’t rookie of the year contenders.

    For all those clamoring for a minor league call ups… remember Chase Wright?

  685. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    “The Yankee FO does seem to be attracted to guys with persistent dopey looks on their faces.”

    So did your mom

  686. Laura May 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    I thought they said that Cabrera lost weight. Still looks too heavy to me.

  687. This Year May 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Rob NY, IPK dominated at every level of the minor leagues last year (his stats were better than Joba’s) and he was outstanding in the pressure of last September. He has great potential. Will he realize it, who knows? But to say he is just another farmhand is absurd.

  688. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    sorry i meant let them learn not let them win.

  689. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    So I guess I never really saw him play before but Cabrera looks big and lazy and like he doesn’t really put a lot of effort into moving. Pretty much the only reason he gets all the attention he does is because he is a monster hitter?

  690. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    2-0 Rangers early 3rd.

  691. Bronxbyte May 1st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    A year ago at this time, Kennedy was pitching at High A Tampa. Although he rose through 3 levels quickly in ’07 it doesn’t necessarily mean he was major league ready.
    The judgements made in spring training were that he would be given every chance and he has.
    It has to be decided soon if the time has come to work on his game at AAA before his confidence is affected.

  692. V May 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    “Hey V what do you see that strikes you as Kennedy being any better than out other farm club options? He has looked alright, but aside from where he was picked in the draft this year and last year he just looks pedestrian. I can see your point. Let a young guy get his work and learn at the major league level. But Kennedy looks like he is 40 year old Moose, not 30 year old Moose. No need to start getting snarky and attacking the person saying things you dont like. Tell me what you see that makes you think Kennedy is anything special, don’t just say “wow” because you disagree with what i’m saying.”

    Do you have a DVR?

    Rewind to the first batter of the game. Granderson, a good hitter.

    Fastball on the lower outside corner – some late movement (not a lot, but enough) – curveball on outside corner. Up and away fastball fouled off. Low curve for a lazy fly ball.

    That’s good pitching. Not amazing. He isn’t an ace, and never will be one – but he’s capable of being a good pitcher.

  693. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Yanks score a run now can Jessica Alba throw strikes.

  694. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Uh no Rob. I CAN have it both ways. I was EXTREMELY patient with the “kids”. And now I think it’s time for them to learn how to pitch all over again. So let them go somewhere and get some nice experience, the same way Shelly had to do and Melky had to do and Ewar had to do, you know, go and refine your stuff. Then come on back, because you’ll still be a kid. In the meantime, get someone on the mound who can win games. Stop killing your bullpen with an experiment that isn’t working.

    That’s how I see it. You need to be flexible and adjust where you need to adjust. You don’t write a plan down on paper and refuse to take the pencil to the paper ever again just because you already wrote out a plan.

  695. V May 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    “Trisha,

    You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either you are going to patient with the youngsters, and let them win, or be committed to winning. If you are committed to winning, you should trade away all youngsters who aren’t rookie of the year contenders.

    For all those clamoring for a minor league call ups… remember Chase Wright?”

    Totally agreed.

  696. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    “2-0 Rangers”

    sweet…. hold on + 3 more lol

  697. CB May 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    A lot going on today.

    Clearly the parameters for this first part of the season have changed entirely.

    The key thing now is being resourceful enough to stay in the hunt and hope no team takes off in terms of the wild card.

    There are a lot of challenges ahead but this is not a lost season. They are just going to need to take additional chances with players inside the system.

    Hughes injury is very disappointing but it makes sense and explains a lot.

    I wouldh’t be surprised if he fractured the rib after that first start against Toronto. He was a completely different pitcher during that start and after.

    Even if the fracture was overtly painful it may have changed his mechanics and his ability to finish his pitches.

    He’s a young player and made a mistake – he should have informed the team but clearly he knew that the team was building its season around him and didn’t make the santana trade because of him primarily.

    If people somehow want to slap a injury riddle label on him so be it. There are many young players who had similar non-major injuries that settled once they fully matured.

    The important thing now is to nurse the rotation through until june when they can put joba into the rotation. There is no question now that Joba must be in the rotation this season – that’s by far their biggest need. It has to happen. Until then it’s fingers crossed with Mussina and Rasner.

    The Horne injury really hurts as well now. He was very close to being major league ready – already throws 4 pitches and is 25. Hopefully he’ll be back soon.

    I don’t know if I’d promote McCutchen yet. I think right now I’d promote him to AAA and give Kennedy another start.

    I wanted McCutchen in AAA at the start of this season as I thought they’d need him at some point soon this year. I was thinking it would be in the pen but now the need is clearly in the rotation. I’d like him to get a couple of starts in AAA just so the transition between the minors to the majors isn’t so big. It’s more a mental thing than physical.

    But McCutche’s readiness for the majors is something that the yankee’s minor league people will have a good sense of.

    Good signs from Albaladejo. He’s pitched well and they’ll need to do more of this – giving guys a chance despite not having a lot of experience.

    In the mean time they’ll need to claw out wins where they can get them.

  698. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Well there goes the run that the Yanks just scored. So much for that….

  699. V May 1st, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Man, a faster outfielder gets that.

  700. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Its too difficult to ask your bullpen to pitch 4-5 innings just about every night. At some point, guys lose effectiveness.

    Somehow, someway, the Yankees have to find two starters (either from within or outside the organization) who can go deeper into games.

    These 3-4 inning starts kill a bullpen.

  701. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    And what you’re seeing right now is the very reason you need to get some pitchers who know how to pitch up from AAA. How many nights and innings do you burn out your pen? Anyway remember this scenario from the Yankee past?

  702. EY May 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Maybe Kennedy is also playing hurt. That’d explain his tough outings.

  703. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    That must be respect for Damon’s arm!

  704. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    this is ridiculous

  705. Clay Bellinger May 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    It’s embarassing that Damon actually had to make the throw on that fly ball…

  706. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    #9 hitter beats this pitching staff again. Unreal.

  707. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    How many Tiger fans at the stadium? Damn!

  708. Yankee Fan in Boston May 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Haha, tie the game, give up the lead. Hey, good news IPK fans! He doesn’t get the loss!

    There’s plenty of time to turn it around, but boy, there’s a lot that needs to be turned around.

  709. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    tie it up, give the lead right back :(

  710. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Apparantly only Joba and Mo can pitch…Too bad the games aren’t 2 innings instead of 9…

  711. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Nice job Kennedy. Let’s just burn out those arms in the pen.

    I can only pray that Girardi sends Kennedy down. He seems to be willing to do that or at least talk about it. PLEASE let’s check out some of our guys from down below.

  712. V May 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Wow – Britton lives!

  713. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Yeah V I can agree with you that he looks serviceable. Since he doesn’t have better than #3 stuff, and he isnt even pitching like a #3 right now why not let him learn to throw strikes? Being told to do it doesn’t seem to be having an impact on him and he needs to realize that nothing is promised.

    Ouch. Santiago burning us up and down today. No faster outfielder gets that one…

  714. Steve Howe You Doin May 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Can we all back off on the praise for Albladejo now, already?

    I mean, we did get him from the Nats…

  715. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    is Britton actually going to pitch?

  716. Sterling Steiner May 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    This is ridiculous. Would it kill the pitching staff to possibly hold a team for more than an inning at a time? I mean, honestly, win a game.

  717. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Breaking news from the Yankee clubhouse Ian Kennedy is put on the 15 day disabled list with a strained right ear lobe. No news yet on how long the injury may last.

  718. Amanda from La. May 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    yikes, I came back to a 6-4 game…..did IPK do decent? I’m hoping al abalejedo allowed the runs and not Ian.

  719. Yankee Fan in Boston May 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    I am now officially Bob Euchre with a bottle of Scotch.

    “Welcome back to Major League Baseball. Sort of.”

  720. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Dynasty, I just don’t think you can pin this on the pen. I don’t know if that is what you were saying. These guys have had to be out here almost every night, and early. It’s just not fair to do to you pen.

  721. Keith May 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    3-0 Jay in top of 8th in the silly college cowtown.
    Sooner or later the Socks will run out of those late game miracles.

  722. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Call me a troll. But I don’t understand why Joba isn’t being stretched out now to go into the rotation. Yanks aren’t going anywhere with this rotation. They get a good pitching performance once a week from Wang and then that is it. Then you are lucky if you get 2 innings from the starter. Mine as well not stunt Joba’s development anymore.

  723. Girardi on the DL May 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    This game is another loss coming up. They can’t score any runs.

  724. Amanda from La. May 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    wow I spelled his name ALL wrong…

  725. Pepitone May 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Sj44, I agree that they need pitcher(s) that can go farther than 3 or 4 innings, but who?

    I, and I think you agree, don’t want a fire-sale on our young developing players. So unless Cash can dangle one of our position players who is starting for us right now, I think we are going to just have to take our lumps and hope that they can hang in there until all of our injured players can get back.

  726. shnausenhausen May 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Retard:
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  727. S.A.-I believe in the kids & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    I blame Ian Kennedy for world hunger

  728. Paolo May 1st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    I miss our ACE Wanger now…

  729. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    *groooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaan*

    why do the Yankees suck? i mean…wtf? i’m gonna watch the Office, then Lost. night all.

  730. RussoMcbo May 1st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    geez
    pete please tell me, why the yankees sucks so bad??

  731. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Paolo
    May 1st, 2008 at 9:13 pm
    I miss our ACE Wanger now…

    You MISS him? He didnt get hurt while I was in the john I hope.

  732. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    V,

    The problem is, the game is for more than one inning.

    We are in agreement. Kennedy can be an effective ML pitcher.

    However, he isn’t one now and his lack of ability to go deeper into games kills this team. You end up pushing your bullpen to limits and roles guys aren’t used to.

    You have to push guys for multiple inning appearances, which messes them up all week, because of Kennedy’s inability to go deeper into games.

    How good would guys like Albie and Ohlendorf be if they were limited to one inning stints? You never know because they are forced to do more because Hughes and Kennedy are unable to pitch deep into games. Its a big problem with this team right now.

    Kennedy has all the traits that scream, “he needs more time”.

    Inability to go deep into games. Excessive nibbling. High pitch counts. One blowout inning that puts the team in a hole. Inability to minimize damage.

    That doesn’t mean he’s a bust. It means he’s not ready.

    I hope the Yankees don’t continue to push him to be something he isn’t right now. That’s not player development.

    He’s not ready to contribute in a way the team needs right now.

  733. Paolo May 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    At least Albaladejo got a K and stopped the bleeding… It could be worse…

  734. Yankee Fan in Boston May 1st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    I’d also like to see, while Jorge and A-Rod are on the DL, Joba stretched to starter. I understand it’s a lot to give up at once, but I’d rather see us take our lumps at once, then stretch it out over the season.

    I dunno, we need two starters. Two legitimate starters. Plus, our offense is just pathetic looking. I dunno if we really have a championship team this year. They could accomplish a lot this year in other directions…

  735. sunny615 May 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    hey look – we’re losing again… where’s McCutcheon? Where’s Melancon? Where’s Cox? Where’s a bat?

  736. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Time to make a trade for a #3 or #4 starter and/or bring up some minor leaguers to see what they can do…Right now we have Andy/Wang/Moose(who is a coin flip as to what we get) and Hughes Out and IPK not worth a dang. There is NO way you bring up Igawa without risking the fans actually hurling tomatoes along with the insults at him, his coaches, Cashman, the trainers, the trainers cousins, etc….This is just sad….that we have THIS lineup on the field to have to NOT pad a lead…then come back from losing that lead…staring down the barrel of getting swept AT HOME by the Tigers….who had their first win after losing HOW MANY games ???,….fugly this is fug-LEE ! :-(

  737. longtime May 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    I guess when the Yankees put their plan in effect (early June) for Joba to become a starter we shouldn’t hear about how we need him for the 8th, Right!!!!!

  738. Alan May 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Just wondering. Have the Yankees had any come from behind wins this year or is that a thing from yesteryear ?

  739. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Why do they all suck so bad? Well I’ll tell you. Because when your pen turns into your starting rotation with the innings they pitch, and when they have to come in with no wiggle room, things start to get dicey.

    I certainly am not saying trade the kids away. I’m saying ANYTHING has to be worth a try over pitchers who can’t get out of the 4th inning and who sport ERAs close to 10! Send Kennedy down and bring up whoever is doing the job in AAA. We might just win a game!

  740. Clay Bellinger May 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Joba is not fixing this, there is no reason to rush him into the rotation.

  741. Paolo May 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    No Rob…

    I meant I missed a pitcher like Wanger who tends to eat a lot of innings and save the pen… I just wish he can pitch every three days…

  742. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Pepitone,

    I think Rasner will be serviceable. That’s one step.

    I think they have to go to McCutcheon in Kennedy’s slot. He has better stuff and its worth a shot.

    Kennedy needs AAA innings. If he was playing on the Texas Rangers, you can roll him out there to get his brains beat in and learn on the job.

    But, man, its awfully tough to do that with the Yankees.

    Joba? Right now, stretching him out is tough because you are up against innings limits.

    The best short term solution right now is McCutcheon, IMO.

    They can’t give Kennedy another start. He’s going to kill the bullpen.

  743. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Why is my ass bleeding again?

  744. S.A.-I believe in the kids & I would trade Farnsworth for a pack of gum May 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    c’mon Robbie

  745. Rhapsody in Blue May 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Morgan Outsberg

  746. Fran May 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Just came in. Heard part of the game on the radio. Thought that when the Yanks gave Kennedy a lead he amy have dones better pitching from ahead. How mcuh longer can the Yankees carry astarting pitcher who can’t go at least 5 innings. They are really asking too much of the bullpen.

  747. Pepitone May 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Agree with you Trisha, if they can’t get someone to bite on one of our overpriced position players then bring up some of the kids down under. Let’s see what they can do, because the guys they have now aren’t getting the job done.

  748. sunny615 May 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    no offense, a first and second baseman hitting a batting average that’s lower than the shortstop’s combined, two starting pitchers that can’t get past the 3rd inning and a patchwork bullpen that’s going to get worn out before June. Time to start trying new things Cashman.

  749. Paolo May 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Yankee Fan -

    It would be nice to have Joba in the rotation but the problem is that the Yanks may have more losses since the pen will be even worse without Joba…

  750. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Dan McCutchen
    7.0 IP, 10 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 8 K’s, 1 HR
    2.33 ERA, GO/AO 6-6

    jeez he’s been getting stretched out the last couple of starts it makes you wonder :?

    Ajack started May w/ an RBI, an OF assist and an E :lol:

    David Robertson
    1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K
    0.96 ERA, GO/AO 1-1

  751. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    dang it Robbie

  752. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    I like to think that I could’ve put a much better swing on that 3-1.

    I also just had knee surgery and can barely walk

  753. YankeeJosh May 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    For better or worse, the Yankees made a commitment to go with the kids this year in the rotation, and abandoning the plan will hurt their development. Hughes is obviously hurt, but Kennedy has shown signs, but hasn’t put it all together yet. He needs the MLB experience.

    If the Yankees wanted to drop these kids at the first sign of trouble, they should have just traded for Santana. They didn’t, and I think you have to give Kennedy a few more starts before making a judgment.

  754. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    for the 2nd straight game, the yankees pretend they’re going to have an offense by scoring a few early runs then going to bed. awesome!!!

  755. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    As psycho Cano swings at ball 4 that almost hits him. Atleast Giambi takes pitches Cano has zero approach and just gives up his at bats.

  756. Pepitone May 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Sj44,

    I like your plan, but who will take Hughes’ place?

  757. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

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  758. ian kennedy May 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    pwease don’t be mad at me, evwyone. I went poo in my pants in the 5th cause Tigers scawe me.

    don’t be mad at Abawajeho eithew. the nationals din’t tell Cashman that he no good and ouw scouts are weally bad. Cashman though’ he was spanish Bwian Bwuney. evywone scwewed up on that one, but it not Jon’s fault!

  759. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Why do posters get so uptight and defensive when some of us suggest that the kids take a trip back to the minors? Cripes, we wantg the team to have a better shot at winning games and not burn everyone out just so you can sit happily while they put us in fast holes every time they are out there. I believed they needed an opportunity to show their stuff. I believed in trotting them out all of April, despite the fact that they pretty much sucked. For me it’s time to grow up and face the fact they need a little more work. What’s the big deal with that? No need to get all bound up because some of us believe that the bullpen deserves a better fate than to be overworked because of these kids and then when we really need them, like postseason time, they can’t even lift their arms!

    Kennedy and Hughes continuing to get on the mound means NOTHING to me if it is at the expense of our entire team. They’ll get their time soon enough. Let Kennedy find a way to pitch without giving up a ton of runs, and let him get experience where he needs it – down below. The kid was NOT scheduled to be ready for prime time this soon. And he isn’t.

  760. Westerner99 May 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    I’m not sure the Yanks will go to McCutcheon…I have a feeling it will be Igawa in IPK’s place.

  761. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    trisha how have you been extremely patient? how many starts has kennedy made this year?

  762. Pepitone May 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    WHOOPS, Sj44,

    I re-read your post and you have Rasner replacing Hughes, and McCutcheon replacing Kennedy, is that right?

  763. Pepitone May 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

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  764. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    WHAT PITCHERS ARE OUT THERE THAT A TEAM DOESN’T NEED AND WANTS TO TRADE FOR PLAYERS FROM THE YANKEES SCRAP HEAP?

    Seriously, folks. It is April. Most every team this year is in a good position. There are no extraneous good pitchers out there. Who do the Yankees trade with? And who for? And what players would you trade from the Yankees – Farnsworth & Giambi? If the Yankees don’t want them, no one else will either. Which minor league guys are you willing to give away for a mediocre short-term pitcher?????

    I know this is not fun right now, but the Yankees can keep trying pitchers from within the system for now and see how it goes. No trades please!

  765. Paolo May 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Moeller is hitting better than Cano now… What is going on?

  766. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    AND so far…TONIGHT’s Yankee killers are Melky and Matsy, 1 for 6 between them and have left a total of 7 on the bases….thanks for playing, Wink….what do we have for our players tonight ????…. :-(

  767. Sal May 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Calling Dr. Nardi Contreras and Dr. Raul Chaves. Prepare for surgery in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
    Patient Ian P. Kennedy will be airlifted shortly.

  768. longtime May 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Cano’s OBP is .205 that’s a horrible Avg. let alone on base, I’m not saying Joba should be streched out now SJ44, but when the time comes i don’t want here from the pundants how he should be pitching the 8th.

  769. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Josh,

    The only problem with that theory is, it goes against player development if the player in question isn’t getting the job done. Sometimes, you make it worse by forcing the guy in a situation in which he has shown he’s not yet ready.

    Its a tough call. But, I gotta believe the Yankees are thinking about doing something. This can’t go on through May.

    They need to win games.

    I don’t care how much you want to develop young players, and I am on board with that, you can’t have your #4 and #5 starters with ZERO wins on May 2 and not think about making a change.

    If Hughes didn’t get hurt, he was going to be out of the rotation. Its time they do the same with Kennedy.

    Gotta be able to at least give them innings and he just can’t do it right now.

    It doesn’t mean he can’t in the future. Right now? Its just not happening.

  770. David May 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    For the people who say Joba can’t fix this team, you’re not looking at the situation logically.

    If somehow the Yankees could mount a comeback and win this game and the Boston score holds up, they’d be 2 games back. Some of the worst baseball we’ve ever seen, and 2 games back. If they don’t win, then 3, no big deal. With the way they are playing right now and Kennedy and Hughes 6 games back wouldn’t seem so terrible.

    Anyway, the Yankees have 2 sure starters, Wang and Pettitte. Then you have Mussina, who seems to be able to give them a legitimate chance to win every time he goes out there. That’s 2 extremely solid starters that stack up with any 2 in baseball, and the third can make a very competitive 5th starter. So then you need a 3 and 4… Put Joba in that 3 slot. Wang, Pettite, Joba… And suddenly, things aren’t looking all that bad for the New York Yankees. That’s 4 starters that most likely will give you a chance to win every time they take the mound and 3 of them should be pretty dominant, especially when you have a possible ace as your third starter. Then you have ONE slot in the rotation that might be a question mark. And that could be Hughes, Kennedy, Rasner, who cares? It’s one question mark slot.

    Now you’re going to say you wouldn’t like this teams chanced with Wang, Pettitte, and Joba as your top 3 starters? I don’t think things are nearly as bad as they seem right now for this team as long as they are working towards getting Joba in the rotation ASAP. If they drag it out and it doesn’t happen, well then I think this team is in a heap of trouble. I really think it all hangs on him getting into the rotation in a very timely matter.

  771. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Trisha,

    BTW, where are these pitchers from AAA that are dominant and know how to pitch? Remember what rasner did last year prior to being injured? Igawa? It’s not as if these AAA pitchers are going to be any good. If you want to win now you must get outside help and trade away talent. Don’t be naive.

  772. Paolo May 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Maybe Damon will hit a bomb and we call it even again :P

  773. sunny615 May 1st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    cano better use some of that new contract money to buy himself a hit.

  774. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Longtime,

    Agreed. All this shows is why Joba is going to be a starter down the line. A kid with his arm is too valuable to waste in the 8th inning.

    Pepitone,

    Correct. Rasner is already going to replace Hughes. I’d like to see McCutcheon get Kennedy’s next start.

    Obviously, I am not saying its going to happen. Just stating what I’d like to see.

  775. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    “pwease don’t be mad at me, evwyone. I went poo in my pants in the 5th cause Tigers scawe me.

    don’t be mad at Abawajeho eithew. the nationals din’t tell Cashman that he no good and ouw scouts are weally bad. Cashman though’ he was spanish Bwian Bwuney. evywone scwewed up on that one, but it not Jon’s fault!”

    see you can clearly tell the Bostonian lingua through this post, the emphasis in the words aw, ew and oo

  776. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    JoeT YANKEES – Joba = SP …I hope you heal soon, friend.

  777. Clay Bellinger May 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Westerner, I agree that it will be Igawa and not McCutcheon, they arent paying him to pitch AAA games, if he is pitching well down there he deserves to be brought up.

  778. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    just the luck we need, come one Jete!!

  779. Amanda from La. May 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    come on jeter….

  780. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    time for some payback of the 2 out nightmare. Let’s have the captain even it up, there is lotsa baseball left to play all……( waiving pom-poms here, Pete ! )

  781. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    that should be on not one, oops

  782. Paolo May 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    All right, give us a bomb to get ahead, Bobby !!!

  783. Paolo May 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    I meant Captain!!!

  784. Pepitone May 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    David,

    I’m with you about seriously considering Joba as our 3rd starter. My only question is will his arm be able to handle the innings of a starter, and does he have the mindset of a starter now after being in the bullpen throughout his major league career.

    Maybe someone like Sj44 can help me out here.

  785. ian kennedy May 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    “see you can clearly tell the Bostonian lingua through this post, the emphasis in the words aw, ew and oo”

    No, I fwom Cawifornia! It so wawm and sunny there! Not weal cold like in New Yowk. And no bwight lights shinin on me all the time. I don’t like bwight lights.

    I miss Cawifornia :.(

  786. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    David,

    The issue isn’t whether or not Joba should be a starter. Just about all of us agree he will be in the rotation. The issue is, when do you do it?

    If you stretch him out now, he won’t be ready for 3 weeks. That’s May 22. That means, he pitches enough innings under his innings limit to get you to approx. Sept. 1.

    Then, he is done for the year. I don’t think I want to see that.

    Ideally, he starts after the AS Break. Then, you can work his innings in and still have him for September and (hopefully) October.

  787. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

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  788. Clay Bellinger May 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    I know that Joba is the real dealio but you cant predict how he would do pitching to batters for the 2nd and 3rd time in the game. He very well might dominate but I’m sure it isn’t going to be as easy as people think. He isn’t just going to start and put up the same numbers. There will be an adjustment period, for how long, who knows.

  789. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Sorry Rob but it seems like you’re odd man out here. So perhaps it’s YOU who’s being naive. Cashman has already said they are going to use the farm system to fill in for the tragic pitching of Hughes, and now hopefully Kennedy.

    You actually pretty have a lot of chutzpah to suggest that Rasner who has an ERA under 1 may not be able to do the job. Yeah I know 1 is less than 10 but when it comes to pitching, the lower number is actually a good thing.

    It doesn’t pay talking to posters who have individual player hang ups. You’re hung up on Kennedy, and that obviously removes any objectivity that you could otherwise have. Since the only dog I have in this race is the New York Yankees, I am pretty much open for anything they need to make things better.

    I trust they will do it too.

  790. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    you DON’T pitch Igawa, just like you don’t pitch IPK or Hughes as they all can’t hack it up in the Show….Igawa needs to just go away, because I am SURE that the crapola that Hawkins got will be nothing compared to the jeers that slug will hear if he ever puts on the big league NYY uniform again……

  791. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Seriously,

    Chase Wright last year was dominating AA. They brought him up. What happened? Anyone remember? If you can’t, maybe you should ask Ramirez, Drew, Lowell, and Varitek. I’m sure they could tell you.

  792. matt May 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    If you checkout mlbtraderumors.com they hint that a official from a pitching starved team (yankees?) would trade for Zito if the giants would eat most of his salary. I like this idea if the price is right. How much worst could he be then what we are running out there now?

  793. Paolo May 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    This is it, BOBBY… A grand slam…

  794. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    and NOW for the lead,…. please,… mr. BOO BOO !!! :-)

  795. keith May 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    shades of cleveland

  796. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    are you kidding? lol Hit with runners in scoring position that dont score a run… amazing.

  797. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Jeter’s speed looks great today.

  798. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    As if Igawa is a better option then Kennedy or McCutchen. I’ve seen enough of him.

  799. Amanda from La. May 1st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    wow us again abreu!

  800. Brian Cashman is watching May 1st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    A lot of love for Dan McCutcheon here, but some perspective would help.

    McCutcheon was drafted in 2006 in the thirteenth round. He sits 91-92 with a decent splitter changeup combination. He is currently dominating Double-A, but he is 25, older than most players he faces.

    Last year, Chase Wright was 24 and made the jump from Double-A to the majors. Similarly, he sits in the 90-91 range, but is left handed with a decent breaking pitch. Chase Wright dominated Double-A and the Yankees gave him a chance, skipping him right by Triple-A. Also note that Chase Wright was drafted in 2001 in the third round.

    If you want the kids to develop in Triple-A, lets not throw McCutcheon into the fire. It’s strange that we want to hand the ball to a person with no Triple-A time just to get away from a guy who might need more. McCutcheon could buck the trend, but give him a chance in Triple-A first. McCutcheon is doing fine, but before we give him the ball, give him the same seasoning you want to give to Kennedy. Steven White is a better choice: he has experience in Triple-A, he’s already on the 40 man, and he has been blocked for a while.

  801. Amanda from La. May 1st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    not what we were looking for…

  802. Marcus May 1st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    You have go to be f****** kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  803. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    how many times have they left the bases loaded this year?

  804. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    that was ball 4…..FUDGE ! :-(

  805. Pepitone May 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    If this losing continues I’ m scared to death of what Hank will do.

    He won’t put up with it. And all of us know that.

  806. matt May 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    What do u guys think about getting Zito? Theres some interesting rumors on MLBtraderumors.com. If the price is right why not?

  807. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    matt-

    Zito has over 100 mill left on that contract and is totally shot. He is way cooked.

  808. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    I can’t hate on Bobby because he jacked one already tonight but that’s not a good way to end the inning.

  809. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    no Zito

  810. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Yanks lead the league in hits with RISP that don’t score any runners. That’s not a good stat.

  811. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Trisha,
    Actually, I’ve never been all that impressed with kennedy. But I’ve always felt that if you are going to commit to young players you must commit, and raise them. An era at .87 in AAA is great, but it’s still in AAA. Remember Igawa was one of the most dominating pitchers in AAA last year. Rasner is not the “saviour.”

    You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either trade away young talent to other teams for established veterans, or go through the pains of raising your own.

  812. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    See I’m not a bag of hang ups when it comes to thinking that someone I think should be brought up has to be it. I believe in Igawa’s stuff but I can surely understand why others wouldn’t. Just like anyone with half a brain should be able to understand why posters would want Kennedy to go and get his innings in elsewhere. It’s about the team having a chance to win, not having your personal favorite be “it”.

  813. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Rob,

    The difference between Chase Wright and Danny McCutcheon is stuff.

    Wright sits 88-89 with his fastball and has a decent changeup.

    McCutcheon sits 92-94 with his fastball, has a great curveball and his changeup is the second best in the organization behind Ramirez.

    He’s a higher ceiling prospect than Wright.

    Its either that, Igawa, or having Kennedy continue to pitch 3-4 inning starts. Those are the options.

    Of those 3, McCutcheon may be the best option right now.

  814. Ken May 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Double whammy….

    No pitching and no hitting..

    Instead of the flu shot this team got a risp shot….They are immune to getting a hit with risp.

  815. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Didn’t want Zito before he started to disintegrate; certainly don’t want him at any price now.

  816. Sterling Steiner May 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Great job there Bobby. That was exactly what we were looking for in that down by 2, 2-out, bases loaded situation. Great job, well worth the boat loads of dough. :(

  817. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    oh my god bobby you gotta be friggin kidding me.

    wtf is wrong with this team?

  818. jay destro May 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    You know what’s amazing is the fact that every night the last few games they end up in the same situation. Behind in runs, late in the game, 2 outs, bases loaded and someone lines out weakly.

    But let’s be real Yankee fans, it’s going to be a tough month or two without the big bats missing and a rotation in shambles.

    I would stretch out Ohlendorf anyway, he’s putting up quality long relief appearances.

  819. YankeeJosh May 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    SJ,

    But Hughes isn’t here anymore. Let’s see how Rasner is in his next start. If he can give them some decent outings, I think you can live with Kennedy at the back end of the rotation, and let him battle through it.

    Generally, I think teams who want to compete should only develop one pitcher a year. Having a kid at number 5 in the rotation allows leeway for struggles. The Yankees tried to get two inm, and it’s hurting them, but I think the best thing for the kids is to leave them (well now just Kennedy) in, at least through May, and see what happens.

  820. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    no chance on Zito…he most likely goes to a team like the Braves if they eat the contract and trade him.

    oh and it’s Daniel McCutchen (not cheon)

  821. Pepitone May 1st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    NO ZITO

    I don’t want to see more of our guys on the injury list because of pulled neck muscles.

  822. matt May 1st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    alabadejo ” death by ordonez” is he crazy tryin to bear hand that

  823. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    good night everybody

  824. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Send Bobby to AAA

    That’s where everyone is going anyways

    ;)

  825. jay destro May 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Chris Britton just keep riding the pine… Great move Joe.

  826. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    McCutcheon has been throwing harder this year than last year.

    Justin Masterson made an emergency start from AA for the Red Sox this year and he certainly looked like he belonged.

    The options aren’t great. However, they can’t afford to keep running Kennedy out there for these short starts. Its not working.

    As we see, you are trying to force guys to be longmen who aren’t long men and you get your butt beat.

    That’s why they can no longer afford to have a kid in the rotation who can’t give them innings.

  827. Drive 4-5 May 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Brian Cashman is Watching,

    You make a very good point. The Yanks rushed Kennedy and the results have been disastrous. Could bringing up McCutcheon be a repeat of the same mistake? It seems like a classic panic move.

  828. Kevin May 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    good night all….we are done

  829. Sterling Steiner May 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    You know what, screw this. I’m done with this team for tonight. It’s become absolutely painful to watch these guys do something that kind of looks like playing baseball.

  830. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Rob – it doesn’t have to be an either or proposition! That’s the beauty of being flexible and creative. I’d rather see Rasner on the mound and let him keep going out there if he wins games. I believe Rasner has a lot more time and experience than Kennedy. Again, we all remember that Kennedy and Hughes were fast tracked due to circumstances in the Ys organization. Neither were on schedule to be in the majors. So if they aren’t getting the job done and they are hurting the team in the process, you let them go and figure out how to get it right and then come back at some point in the season. That’t no great shame.

    Ask Melky.

  831. Daver May 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Behind by 4 runs now…I hope I eat my words…but the way the offense is going…this game is over.

  832. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    bye bye Alby

  833. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    oh wait..nevermind

  834. yanksrule57 May 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Re Zito:

    Matt you are just saying that to get a reaction right?

    Some Yankee fans go nuts because Mussina only throws an 87 MPH fastball. Well Zito is throwing 81-84 MPH. I threw that hard in high school and I was a junk-ball pitcher then.

    You really can’t be serious.

  835. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Barring a Yankee comeback…if Girardi doesn’t blow a gasket after a series like this, he never will…

  836. Brian from PA May 1st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    my god. **** this garbage. someone notify me when the yankees decide to play baseball.

  837. Jon- Joe manages poorly--> team plays poorly May 1st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Get some real players on this team, why don’t ya?

  838. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Josh,

    They can’t afford Kennedy’s starts anymore. Albie can pitch one inning. Not three.

    To keep a guy like Kennedy in the rotation means you screw up your entire bullpen. You put guys in roles they aren’t accustomed to and we are seeing the results.

    Bottom line, starters have to go at least 6 innings. Kennedy can’t do that.

    Its going to be interesting to see what, if anything said after the game. This can’t go on much longer or they will dig themselves the kind of hole they can’t dig out of this year because, unlike last year, they can’t hit anymore.

  839. Don Vito A. Bellamo May 1st, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    I’m done…..good thing the Sux lost….we stink right now…hopefully we’ll get better…but we find all the ways to lose….Our season in 20 minutes,,,,was us finding a way to put up ZERO last inning and them hitting one out to push their lead from 2 to 4….this is nasty stuff to watch….see ya !

  840. Jeff NJ May 1st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    ok here’s the big question, do I pick up McCutchen for my AL keeper fantasy league? In other words will he contribute this year and get enough innings to not qualify as a rookie next year?

  841. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    If Horne was healthy and pitching well for some reason I still think the Yankees would call up Igawa instead.

  842. Jeff K (Pinstripers) May 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    At this point it would be merciful for the crew chief to call the game. Kennedy can’t get out of the 5th inning and now Albaladejo has a rough night. I like Jonathan, but (like Al Leiter just said) he needs to work his other pitches for those times when his doesn’t have his best stuff.

  843. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Sux didn’t lose yet. Hopefully it’s on its way.

  844. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Why is Albaladejo still in? Why did they warm-up Britton and not bring him in? What the — is going on?

    Well, at least Britton is going to get a chance to pitch — too late.

    so, not only do they not take advantage of a bases loaded situation, but the Tigers come right back and pretty much take the game away. Oh, this is so difficult to watch tonight. Well, they say you have to hit bottom before you can rise again. Mommy — are we there yet?????!!! (The bottom, that is, so we can start the climb)

  845. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Maybe this doesn’t happen if Alba only has to pitch one inning tonight instead of this. Duh.

    Lost can’t come soon enough tonight.

  846. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Jeff I don’t think they are going to go with Danny M. If you ask me they’ll try out their 40m K Igawa before they do that. When Igawa gets shelled like the beaches of Normandy MAYBE they go to Dan but I really dont think they’re going to. I’ve been wrong but I wouldnt spend a spot on him.

    In other news Chris “Where did the snack cart in the locker room go?” Britton is going to get the shot i’ve been clamoring for. Do me proud big man.

  847. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Oh, game over in Boston, finally. 3-0 Jays.

  848. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Now the Sux lost.

    Good.

  849. David May 1st, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    SJ44, I know exactly what you mean, but I don’t understand how that’s going to work out.

    Maybe you know better than me, but is it going to be easy for a 22 year old pitcher to pitch 1 inning every 4 days and then attempt to pitch 6 or 7? I can easily see him not being able to do it and it not being is fault… You almost have to take the limited starts and just skip them when you see an opportunity to win the game without him starting it towards the end of the season. I mean based on the amount of work he’s getting as of now it’s hard to believe he can work a strong inning every once in a while, let alone become a starter. I know they stretch him out, but it still has to be very difficult.

  850. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    OH BOY

  851. Pepitone May 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Hey, somebody please dial 911!!!!

  852. Frank Discussion May 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Albadelajo is a one inning guy, not long relief. To be expected when your starter (yet again) can’t give you innings.

    Just about time now for the offense to start going down 123.

  853. scis May 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    You cannot throw 50 pitches every third night as a reliever and expect to be effective. It’s just not realistic.

  854. Uh, No May 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    You’re all missing the critical point with Zito:

    “This person said the Giants would have to eat at least $80MM of Barry Zito’s remaining $112.5MM if they want to trade him.”

    There is no way in Hell the Giants are going to do that. Let him go fix himself on some other team yet still be paying him almost the entire contract? Not worth $30 million of financial relief. If they trade him, it’s to a team that will absorb almost his entire contract, and no one is going to do that.

    Well … Yankee management might just be dumb enough to.

  855. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    “Maybe this doesn’t happen if Alba only has to pitch one inning tonight instead of this.”

    Nick, I think that’s the point so many of us have tried to make tonight. Your bullpen is supposed to be set up to relieve, not pitch the equivalent of starters! We’re killing them with these patheticly short outings!!!

  856. MMF May 1st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Yanks stink, but I still I think they are better than last year.

  857. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    sigh

  858. Frank Discussion May 1st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Can’t wait for Kay’s catchphrase “Do the Yankees have a rally in them tonight ?”

    As if watching them play isn’t enough comic relief.

  859. Betsy May 1st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    per Jayson Stark’s Rumblings Grumblings.

    Yankees hype dept.: The buzz around the Yankees is that before Hughes was placed on the disabled list on Wednesday with a strained right oblique muscle, he was likely to wind up in Triple-A Scranton. Kennedy, meanwhile, is also on a short leash. There’s also suddenly a school of thought among scouts that the Yankees may have highly overrated both of them — but especially Kennedy. “What’s the ceiling on those guys?” asked one scout who followed the Yankees recently. “For me, Kennedy, at best, is a fifth starter. Hughes can be a little better than that, but not a [No.] 1 or 2. The thing I wonder about with Kennedy is, he was a very polished college pitcher. How much upside is there? “He doesn’t have dominant stuff. He doesn’t really even have a dominant pitch. And they play so many games against their division, Ian Kennedy might have to start five times against the Red Sox. People talk about the second and third time through the lineup. How about the third or fourth time against one team? You’ve got to have something you can use to get through a lineup like that. And I’m not sure right now if he has it.”

    ********

    I love how the scout very likely didn’t want to be named. Phil is not even a #2? LOL Wow……I wonder sometimes just what qualifications it takes to be a scout. He’s going to judge a 21 year old who has already suffered a severe leg, and then an ankle injury? Where was this scout after game 3 of the ALDS? Where was this scout after the game against Texas? Where was this scout after Phil’s debut against the Jays this year? Hmm, I guess if Phil is really a #3 at best, then ALL the scouts who hyped him did a piss poor job. By the way, I love how it’s the Yankees who have “overhyped” Phil and not the scouts.

    Sheesh – a 21 year old kid with mechanical issues struggles and already the scouts are backtracking on him. I really don’t care anymore – these are the same losers who will say they always thought highly of him when Phil comes back and ends up being a stud.

    CB or SJ44, what do you think about this ? (anyone else, of course – please chime in):

  860. BU12 May 1st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    I thought Girardi would be different than Torre: you see a (relief) guy struggle and give up 4 Runs over 2 innings and you keep him? Really- so that’s how it’s gonna work.

  861. Kevin May 1st, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    MMF this team is better than last year? What team are you watching? At least last year they had more than one reliable pitcher on the staff and in the bullpen.

  862. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    uhoh if I read what I read correctly Melancon may be getting ready for promotion they just stretched him out tonight in Tampa

    so far

    3.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K’s
    GO/AO 3-3

  863. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    nice play by the cat-like Duncan at first. Upgrade!

  864. Betsy May 1st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    I’m not going to get on Abaladejo’s case because he gave up a couple of runs. He’s human – we can not expect him to be perfect. I really like him – he’s done a very fine job – and I think he’s going to be a great help to the Yankees. Good trade by Cash.

  865. gary May 1st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    this is so painful to watch….it just looks so hopeless right now

  866. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Trisha,

    I agree with you on the either or proposition, but kennedy has only started 4 or 5 times this year. You have to let the kid get at least 8 or 9 starts. He is 23, and has to learn the ropes. There is a learning curve. As for hughes, he is now out of the equation, I thought they should move him to AAA as not to mess with his psyche( he was sulking on the mound). However, dipping into the farm is great for “spot” starts, but doesn’t cut it by and large for full time replacements. You can’t tell me that rasner is a viable major league #3, although kennedy and hughes are certainly not, at least now. The difference is Kennedy and Hughes have a higher ceiling.

    SJ,

    Masterson may have looked great, but one start is far too small of a sample size to tell if a pitcher belongs or not. Last year, after one start, Chase Wright looked like he belongs, Tyler Clippard looked like he belonged…

    It’s a shame that Alan Horne is injured, because you could spot start him and hope he could keep it up.

  867. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Betsy -

    I think it’s reprehensible. Like rats running from a perceived sinking ship. It might be credible if it was only the Yankees who were touting these guys, but it wasn’t just the Yankees.

  868. Drive 4-5 May 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Al Leiter was on XM radio this afternoon and made some interesting comments. He talked about how it used to be that teams didnt send starting pitchers up to the majors until they’ve had at least 300 minor league innings. Pitchers learned how to pitch in different situations and picked up valuable experience.

    Now, a pitcher who is a high draft pick signs a big bonus and teams are anxious to get them to the big leagues.

    Ian Kennedy is a classic case. He pitched only 149 professional innings before being handed a spot in the rotation.

    If you want to preach patience, then allow these kids to develop in the minors. If not, it’s not a bad idea to determine which ones to keep and which ones to move. Use the ones you dont plan to keep as trade bait while their value could be at its peak.

  869. Frank Discussion May 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    No reason to blame Albaladejo, he’s being overused much like Ohlendorf… bullpen simply can’t keep bailing out the starters night after night.

  870. Sal May 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    The run production on this team amounts to 24 karat chutspah.
    Start with Gonzo at 2nd base until Cano’s head is screwed on straight. Let him sulk.
    I say bring up Cody Ransom from AAA and DFA Ensberg.
    Too many defeated people thinking things can wait until A-Rod and Jorge are back. Who says they’ll be on fire the moment they’re off the DL ?
    He who hesitates is lost.

  871. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Well the Rangers won. :D

  872. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    they’ll lose in Pittsburgh :(

  873. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Looks like the Yankees like to try the journeyman/scrubs out first before going with the real talents. Expect to see Igawa,Strickland,Vares….first before you see Horne,McCutchen,Robertson….

  874. Pepitone May 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Well sir, I was with them in 1964 when they lost to the Cardinals in the WS, and I was with them in 1966 when they finished dead last, and I was with them throughout the nasty eighties, so I guess I’ll just stick with ‘em now.

  875. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Rangers- 2008 Stanley Cup Champions

    Do the Yanks have a rally in them!?

  876. x23 May 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    why the heck is Britton here when hes not being used!!! WTF would Abby go out there for another inning. Blame this on Clueless Joe!!!

  877. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    BU12 I think he’s playing the hand he has to. He used Farnsworth, Hawkins and Ramirez last night. He used Ohlendorf, Hawkins and Ramirez the night before – Ollie for more than 3 innings. He doesn’t have limitless options and in a game like this you’re not using Joba and Mo.

    That’s why Kennedy has to disappear.

  878. Patrick May 1st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Kennedy’s ceiling was never more than a #3, my guess is he’ll end up being a 4 or 5 starter. That’s fine but he gets lumped in with Joba and Hughes who are both front line starting material.

    Saying Hughes definitely isn’t a 1 or 2 is absurd, its way too early to tell. He has the potential to be a 1 or 2 but obviously right now he isn’t even a 5. With his kind of stuff his only challenge will be to throw strikes consistently. He sits at 93-94 with a ridiculous curve and an average slider/change. For him it’s all about fastball command and improving his changeup.

    The only problem is, he was at basically the same stage development-wise over a year ago. His two injuries and being rushed to the majors has definitely hurt him. Now we’ll have to see if he’s mentally tough enough to bounce back and continue his development.

  879. Amanda from La. May 1st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Betsy, I like how you say Phil is going to come back as a stud.

    He will, no doubt about it. Like Pettitte said maybe being on the DL reallt is a “blessing in disguise”

  880. Jeff NJ May 1st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Good post Betsy, it does make you wonder. If I had to guess, I would say Phil could be a number 3 starter, possibly a 2. A number 1 to me looks more like Joba and Wang.

    As for IPK, I think he has potential to be a number 3 or 4.

    It’s possible the Yankees rushed them. It is starting to feel like a rebuilding year.

  881. Brian Cashman is watching May 1st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Ian Kennedy was not overrated. When he was drafted, it was known that his ceiling was that of a third or fourth starter. His fastball simply wasn’t strong enough to be more. But what separated him from other players in the draft was the strong likelihood that he would reach his ceiling. When drafting a pitcher, especially late in the round, Kennedy looked very good because of the likelihood he would make it to the majors and be an innings eater. But there was certainly no overrating; he dominated the lower levels more than could have been predicted.

  882. Frank Discussion May 1st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    What does Britton have to do in order to get into a game ?
    Looks like Girardi is taking a play from the Torre playbook…

  883. NYY May 1st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Didn’t Shelly Duncan tear up the minors when he was sent down. What is this he is hitting below .150…

  884. Daver May 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    This offense stinks. I am getting tired of it.

  885. BU12 May 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    “trisha – I’ve got your back too Joe”: yeah your right, kinna bashful on my part. wish the offense would wake up, maybe

    and I think it’s way too early to tell what Hughes is gonna be- hoping he’s really good- that’s what he should be.

  886. Drive 4-5 May 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    Betsy,

    I seldom agree with Jason Stark or much of what he writes,but he’s not totally wrong here. Ian Kennedy, until proven otherwise, is vastly over-rated. Even in his 4 good starts last year he averaged almost 4.5 walks per 9 innings. He’s a nibbler without an out pitch like Mussina’s knuckle curve.

    Phil could be over -rated as well. Last week, he said it himself that he doesnt know where it came from that he throws 94 -95. He’s a guy that throws 90 -91 and relies on his off sppeed pitches. That’s a classic # 3 starter IMO.

  887. Betsy May 1st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Doreen, it makes me sick, but I’ve decided that I just don’t give a flying fig what scouts say. They don’t know anything about baseball, really, or else they wouldn’t keep going back and forth as to what type of pitcher Phil projects to be. They are cluess – it’s why I don’t listen to Kay anymore. If I have to hear him say that Phil is a #4 at best, I think I’m going to lose my lunch.

    As to Phil sulking, that doesn’t seem to be the best description. Granted, I didn’t see it, but it sounded to me like Phil was just completely frustrated at himself. Sulking? I leave that description to players who stomp around and huff, pointing fingers at their teammates who make an error. Sulking to me is done by selfish players who care only about themselves. What Phil seems to have gone through last night is just a complete shattering of his confidence; I don’t think he’s the type of kid who would ever sulk and point fingers at his teammates.

  888. joe May 1st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Did this team just forget how to take pitches? It seems like they are always swinging at the first pitch, especially Ensberg.

  889. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    I didn’t have a problem with Hughes being in the rotation. I just NEVER understood why it was soo assumed that Kennedy was ready for the big show. The prospects that are rushed threw the minors 99% of the time the ones that are #1 picks that throw in the high 90 with great stuff. Kennedy doesn’t fit that bill at all!! He needs to harnest his stuff much better before he is expected to be pinpoint with an 80 mph fastball. It is not east for the ones who throw hard and can get away with alot more to do it but with Kennedys stuff it is almost impossible.

  890. Jeff K (Pinstripers) May 1st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    I overrated Kennedy and I think most of the hype was coming from fans. Anything I read in Baseball America or many of the preseason guides had Kennedy pegged as a 4 or 5 starter, labeling him as having the potential to be a big league LAIM, but no one really thought he was going to be a star. I got overexcited myself after watching his successful spring training.

  891. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Rob, I’m not looking for a permanent replacement. I wasn’t looking for a permanent replacement for Hughes. Sending someone to AAA isn’t banishing them to the depths of hell forever and ever. It’s getting them somewhere where a pitching coach can work with them on their stuff and the position players on the field as well as the bullpen can get a badly needed break by having spot starts from pitchers who just may go more than 3 innings.

    I’ll say this again. I care about the team. I don’t care about any individual players. But I DO care when the continual horrific pitching of certain players is hurting the team. Such as now.

    Night all. I don’t expect that we will win this game. If we do, nice surprise. I only hope that I hear on the postgame that they are going to evaluate whether or not Kennedy gets his next start.

  892. Pepper Brooks May 1st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Just spoke to a buddy. Vegas over/under is Yankees on a 7 game slide… tonight will make 3 in a row.

    thoughts?

  893. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Rob,

    They need somebody in the back end of the rotation to stop the bleeding.

    Let’s take take a worse case scenario. They call up McCutcheon and he goes 4 innings and gives up 5 runs. You know what? That’s an average Ian Kennedy start.

    What happens if he pitches better than that? If he does, you stop the bleeding and let’s face it, they need that right now.

    I mean, how many more games are they going to push short relievers into longman roles for poor starting outings?

    At some point, you have to try something.

    What’s the point of running a kid out there who everyone can see isn’t ready to be a contributor? It doesn’t make sense and that’s not player development. That’s how you ruin players.

    If it is, then the Yankees need to do what the Heat did this year. Tell their stars to go home and play the rest of the season with the kids and get your brains beat in to get the #1 draft pick. Its an foolish way to go about developing players. Especially pitchers.

    Its insane if they keep Kennedy in the rotation at this point.

    Betsy,

    My opinion of that piece is, if the scout doesn’t think Hughes is any good, he should have no problem giving his name for the story.

    He won’t because he would sound like an idiot.

    There isn’t a GM in the game who would give up on Phil Hughes right now. He is too young and has too much talent to give up on at this time.

    Kennedy? I don’t think the assessment is off and that’s also how the Yankees see him. Cashman has said so numerous times. Problem is, he isn’t pitching remotely close to that level now and that’s why they need to get him out of the rotation.

  894. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Drive 4-5,

    Your argument about the 300 minor league innings is the best, most adept argument yet to send these guys down. However, the yanks are caught between a rock and a hard place. Either they trade for a veteran, or they deal with spot starts much like they did all through the beginning of last year.

  895. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    That’s just not true though. Hughes never relied on his off-speed pitches throughout his minor league career. Maybe he only is a 90-91 guy but that 90-91 fastball was killing hitters before, and now looks pretty ordinary.

  896. Ken May 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Michael Kay is wrong again…This offense is not sputtering….It is completly stalled….I would welcome a sputter.

  897. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Mark Melancon
    3.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K’s
    3.32 ERA, GO/AO 3-3

    that’s 14.1 straight innings w/o allowing a run for Melancon.

  898. Drive 4-5 May 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    There’s nothing wrong, by the way, if Phil is a #3 starter. We’d take that in a heartbeat. But I do think the expectations on him to be exceptional are going to make it difficult for him.

  899. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Betsy

    I didn’t take it as sulking either. I agree, he showed frustration, disappointment, which are appropriate emotional reactions to his performances.

  900. Ray May 1st, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    Well lets see oh yes the youth movement or lack there of.

    Phil while a great guy with a good work ethic hasn’t been able to stay healthy and agin is gone for several months.

    Santana just motors on, 3-2 with a tough loss in one game, 3.12 ERA, 40 Inn Pitched and 39K’s.

    I will be glad to see Brian gone after this year. Hughes while touted to be the great prospect simply hasn’t been. Santana is a proven pitcher who is 27 and 2 Cy Young’s under his belt, he should be in pinstripes.

  901. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    Time for Lost. Hope we come back and win this game

  902. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    Yeah Kennedy was suppose to be no more then a 4th or 5th starter. He’s under the microscope too much. If Hughes,Joba work out the way we assume along with Wang, there should be no problem with Kennedy being the 4th or 5th starter.

  903. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Brandon,

    They are getting Melancon ready for Trenton. He’s throwing the ball real well right now.

    I suspect when he gets called up to Trenton, either Cox or Robertson go to Scranton.

  904. Rich May 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    “Well sir, I was with them in 1964 when they lost to the Cardinals in the WS, and I was with them in 1966 when they finished dead last, and I was with them throughout the nasty eighties, so I guess I’ll just stick with ‘em now.”

    dont forget to clean your dentures before bed, gramps :)

  905. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    SJ,

    I see what you’re saying, but they aren’t making the playoffs without a reliable #3. So, either call it a wash and let the youngsters right themselves, as in letting kennedy pitch that last out, or get a reliable #3 and trade mccutcheon.

  906. Betsy May 1st, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Jeff, but I disagree with you. I don’t in any way see Phil as being close to a #3. I refuse to abandon him the same way these loser scouts have – they have no clue, truly.

    Patrick, I suspect that after Phil recovers enough to pitch, he will spend the rest of the season in the minors. I’m hoping that that education will be exactly what he needs…..that he should have had before being rushed to the majors. Really, though – Phil should tell Nardi and Eiland to shove it and start pitching with his natural delivery. It’s HIS career on the line, not theirs. That brings me to one more point. Phil was never supposed to be in NY until September of last year at the earliest; how is it that the scouts can’t recognize this? I really despise them all.

  907. David May 1st, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Contrary to what some people are saying, when Hughes was pitching the no-hitter in Texas, his fastball was around 93-94 the entire game. Look back at the pitch by pitch data.

  908. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    Not a second guess but a first guess.

    Cano has to sit tomorrow night against Bedard. At some point, you can’t play guys hitting in the low .100′s. It doesn’t help them and it doesn’t help the team.

    Gonzalez has to be in there at second and Duncan stays at first against Bedard tomorrow night.

  909. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    Hey Ray Santana is 29… and he’s already given up 7 homeruns, in the NL. He has been good but far from jesus christ in baseball pants.

  910. Daver May 1st, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Miracle! Robinson Cannot got a hit!

  911. sunny615 May 1st, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Yanks stink, but I still I think they are better than last year.
    ————-

    right now – that’s like saying dog crap tastes better than horse crap.

    unfortunately crap is crap. I’d rather not wait until after the ASB to see this team get it together. For once, I’d like to see them hit the ground running after ST.

  912. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    I always ignore the Santana posts only because they seem to forget that Melky was supposed to be part of that deal.

  913. YanksAngel May 1st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    maybe Cano’s hit will be a spark

  914. Betsy May 1st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Hi Drive

    I’m going to withhold judgment on Ian – he was rushed to the big leagues, too. However I agree – his ceiling is as a #4 very likely, which is just fine.

    I do completely disagree on Phil. He doesn’t throw 90-91 – if he did, there is just no way he would have been the #1 pitching prospect in baseball. He wouldn’t have even been in the top 10. I realize Phil debunked this theory that he generally throws 95, but I’m pretty sure he basically said that he generally sits at 92-94. From all accounts, his FBs both have terrific late life and explosiveness – the Jays said this after his debut last year, or something to that effect. Therefore, it doesn’t matter that he doesn’t throw 98 MPH. I don’t think there’s a prayer that Phil was overrated; right now, I think Nardi and Eiland are overrated because they **** with his natural delivery. Unfortunately, now we have to wait and see, but I still have all the confidence in the world in this kid.

  915. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    “Brandon,

    They are getting Melancon ready for Trenton. He’s throwing the ball real well right now.

    I suspect when he gets called up to Trenton, either Cox or Robertson go to Scranton.”

    I know SJ, I saw the same w/ JB Cox. I’m wondering if we are approaching Joba to the rotation a month from now. David Robertson was extended, Melancon tonight was extended to 3 IP that means they believe he is ready, McCutchen is the one I’m watching because the Yankees don’t let thier kids pitch past the 6th he’s done that twice already.

  916. BU12 May 1st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    that bell thing that that man hits (extreamly off beat and random) is getting to be as annoying as the cow bells in TB, drumbs in CLE, or that rally monkey in LAA

  917. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Agreed Trisha. While Hughes and Kennedy have stunk I think Melky has been one of the better centerfielders. Far better than Damon in Center and Matsui in LF every day. Not making the Santana deal was as much a move for the future as it was for this year, it’s over. lol So when can we trade for C.C.?

  918. Nick in SF May 1st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    hey, the bat hit first base, he should be safe!

  919. Pepper Brooks May 1st, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    17 men left on base…. what is it with this team. this offense just stinks, and that was with Jorge and Arod.

  920. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Rob,

    There is no way I trade McCutcheon and keep Kennedy. Sorry but, I’d rather miss the playoffs than trade an arm like McCutcheon.

    That kid is going to be a good pitcher for the Yankees down the line. I don’t give up good arms like that.

  921. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Phil’s velocity in Chicago a week back was 93-94…. that is neither here nor there. Scouts are always quick to judge.

  922. MMF May 1st, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Kevin, Yup.

    Lemme ask you this, who was in the rotation last year who is not this year? Washed up 5 innning, 5+ era clemens? Igawa? DeSalvo, et al?

    In the bullpen? Vicaino? Proctor?

    The lineup? Andy Phillips? Miguel Cairo?

    Yeah Arod’s hurt for a bit, and so is Posada, but, theoretically, they should have enough offense. Maybe, just maybe, Cano will show up and Duncan will get a shot. Giambi is wreck, the records with him playing and not playing show it. I think that the bullpen is significantly better than last year in my view due to the extensive depth along with Joba.

    Folks, I think Kennedy is close to getting over this rough patch. He looked ok other than against Ordonez and Cabrerra and almost pulled off a decent start. Hughes is now out for a while, but maybe Rasner or someone else down in the minors can help them out.

    I think they’ll be ok and yes, a better team than in 07.

  923. Daver May 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Pathetic…man on 2nd with no one out…get even get the ball out of the infield.

  924. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    “There is no way I trade McCutcheon and keep Kennedy. Sorry but, I’d rather miss the playoffs than trade an arm like McCutcheon.”

    if that happens this FO should institutionalized

  925. scorpio May 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Bring in another hitting coach, I’ve never seen so many weak grounders & hacks. I’m officially disgusted.

  926. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    SJ,
    So trade kennedy if you can, and try to salvage the rotation. If you want what’s best for the team, you give up an arm, and get, in return a starter that gets you to the 6th inning. Don’t fall in love with “arms” too much. That is why the mets let go of bannister, among others.

  927. trisha - I've got your back too Joe. May 1st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Well I’ll have to take the rest of this in the car. I put off running an errand until now but can’t wait much longer.

    Onward and upward. If anyone watches the postgame I’d really appreciate any information you have on whether or not Kennedy gets his next start. My fear is that he does.

  928. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Perhaps Hughes’ velocity (certainly his location) was affected by the fractured rib?

    Personally, this is the best thing that can happen to him right now. He’s needs a mental health break and its not an injury to his arm, shoulder or elbow.

    Another man reaches and they can’t score. This team just can’t seem to hit. Which makes starting pitching effectiveness even more important. They no longer have the offense to cover for bad starting pitching.

    Somebody has to grab the #4 and #5 starter spots and give this team a chance to win every time out.

  929. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    wow my heart goes out to the 76ers and thier fans, they worked hard as heck to make the playoffs, but Detroit was just too much.

  930. Drive 4-5 May 1st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Betsy,

    I believe Phil said that he doesnt know where all the talk came from about him throwing 94 mph. In any case, if he threw 92 with late movement, that is fine. Leiter was talking the other night about Phil maybe needing to learn a 2 seam fastball that would give him more movement.

  931. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Guys look at it this way Arod should never be booed

  932. Kevin May 1st, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    This is just bad….a runner in scoring position with nobody out and we can not get him in. By the way I think the Yanks are paying Freddy to show up at the games because if he was not in the Stadium with that frying pan the fans would have fallen asleep by now.

  933. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    lol hey rob I wouldnt exactly hold up the Mets as a bastion of baseball intelligence when it comes to trading young arms. They traded Scott Kazmir and Brian Bannister for Victor Zambrano and that bullpen Burgeos guy who is … I dont know where.

  934. Pepper Brooks May 1st, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    I am afraid folks we are going to see a Yankee team in last place and on a 6 game slide by Monday morning. They just do not look good.

    People keep comparing last year to this year. The only difference is that the rest of the division is not as good as it as last year so it allows the Yankees to hang close. But in reality, the same dismal hitting and suspect pitching is killing the Yankees.

    there has to be something Cashman can do to shake up the team.

  935. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    BTW you couldn’t trade kennedy right now if you tried. As for the scout who killed hughes. He was probably from a team trying to devalue hughes so they can get him for cheaper.

  936. Cool Eddy May 1st, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Does anyone remember that Joba did not have a real terrific spring as a starter? I do. I’m all for Joba being a starter, but I dont think the kid is ready just yet, he had the same problem in spring as Phil and IPK. He can get ahead and then he nibbles. I dont think Joba could provide a immediate jolt to the rotation right now, especially in this cold weather. Let it warm up first if anything.

  937. Betsy May 1st, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    SJ44, yup, that’s my take on it, too. I love unnamed sources, lol – at least have the guts to stand by your convictions. I don’t recall the Yankees hyping Kennedy as a #1, so I don’t know why this scout is acting like he just invented the wheel.

    Drive, objectively speaking, being a #3 pitcher would constitute a highly successful career for anybody. However, for someone with Phil’s talent and makeup…….that’s just not in the cards and it would be a HUGE disappointment. He’s all of 21 years old and I don’t understand how anyone can judge him at this stage. First off, he was completely rushed to the majors. Secondly, everyone (scouts, experts, some fans) seem to have completely forgotten his game against Texas. Thirdly, Phil suffered severe leg and ankle injuries which, as expected hampered him. He then recovered sufficiently to have a terrific fall, including coming up HUGE in the biggest game of the season to date. How quickly that is forgotten, huh?

    I guess the most important thing is that Phil keep the faith in himself. If he has that, he will be fine and it won’t matter what anyone else thinks – not the scouts, the fans, the media or even his own organization.

  938. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    “That is why the mets let go of bannister, among others.”

    you sure the Mets wouldn’t want him back

  939. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    if cano was hitting well he will be hitting 4th or 5th

  940. MMF May 1st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    SJ44 — well put on the mental health break. PH is 21

    The offense is impotent.

    I think Kennedy deserves another month at least to get it together.

  941. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    While a majority of our pitchers should be sent to triple a, what are we gonna do about scoring some runs?
    It’s a problem

  942. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    Rob,

    You think the Mets would like Bannister back right now? That’s the classic case of giving up on a good, young starter too early.

    You fall in love with arms more than anything because pitching wins games.

    You don’t trade guys like McCutcheon. For whom? Older players. I don’t want anymore older players on this team. They have enough of them.

    That’s why they look and play dead just about every night.

    Give me higher ceiling guys. They have them in the organization.

    Before this year is out, we will see McCutcheon, (hopefully), Horne, Melancon, Cox, perhaps even David Robertson.

    High ceiling arms. If they pitch well, they have the opportunity to have a future in NY.

  943. Clay Bellinger May 1st, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Chris Britton looks like Chris Carlin

  944. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    This is why joba should be a starter forget about pitching the 8th because this series he pitch 0inn and the boston series he pitched 0 inn

  945. Bob May 1st, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Wow, Detroit had that terrible start to the season and after this game they’ll have a better record than the Yanks.

    Pretty nerve racking watching this team right now. Especially their God awful appraoches at the plate night after night.

  946. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    if Rasner doesnt pitch well and gets rocked i really think they are gonna sent joba down and get his arm strength up

  947. Bob May 1st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    But hey, at least we have Joba as our set up guy.

    He’s been phenomonal this series hasn’t he?

  948. Westerner99 May 1st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    I think they should turn Joba into a long reliever…that way he’d actually get into a game. :)

  949. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    “Chris Britton looks like Chris Carlin”

    I hate him already :lol:

  950. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Alright. C’mon Yankees!
    show us some signs of life

  951. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    1-2-3 in the ninth sweep cant believe it

  952. Westerner99 May 1st, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Seriously, if they send Joba down to the minors to stretch out his arm…they are wasting innings of his.

    Why not stretch him out at the major league level? Sure it is unorthodox…but it is better than what we are running out there now (Wang and Mo excluded).

  953. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    “I think they should turn Joba into a long reliever…that way he’d actually get into a game.”
    are u joking?

  954. MMF May 1st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Anybody have a guess when they start Joba?

    After the All Star break?

  955. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Pete,

    Detroit doesn’t impress me at all. They are an awful defensive team. Their pitching is also not that great.

    Yes, they can hit. They are also catching a Yankee team without Arod and Posada, with Cano hitting .150 and they got to face Hughes and Kennedy.

    The Yankees are scuffling bigtime but, the Tigers are a pretty flawed team.

    Sadly, so are the Yankees and some of these problems are so deep, I don’t know how they can fix all of them in the short term.

  956. Westerner99 May 1st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    WTF? – Yes, that is why I put the smiley face after it. It signifies a joke.

  957. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    JOBA FOR STARTER!

  958. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    My rally cap is on!
    (Why? I don’t know. :( )

  959. Betsy May 1st, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    Drive, Phil already has a 2-seamer from what I hear……I also tune Al out when he talks about Phil; he’s from the Michael Kay school in that regard.

  960. Bob May 1st, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Not one of these pitchers Detroit sent out there tonight was any better than any the Yanks sent out.

    The Yanks lineup is just fugly right now. How does that get resolved? Beats me.

  961. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    “Why not stretch him out at the major league level? Sure it is unorthodox…”

    too many people wil let thier opinion be known, if he’s pitching in games in long relief and allows a run here, too many fans will start those creative chants, if he’s getting stretched ou it has to be in a less rowdy enviorment, AAA or AA

  962. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    is carl pavano ok?

  963. Yankee Fan in Boston May 1st, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    The problems this team is having are a lot liek the problems last years team was having. Only this team doesn’t have A-Rod hittign 14 homers in April. In fact, it doesn’t have much power at all. It also has 2 starting positions that need filled for the next 2 months, at least, but now we may be reaching FOR Igawa instead of looking to replace him. Oh, the humanity.

    I don’t know how the Yankees fix this team right now. You just have to hope they don’t quit on Girardi. If that happens, it’s over.

    I still say Joba Chamberlain, the best arm on the team, is being wasted in the bullpen. When not taxed, our bullpen is an upgrade from last years. Getting to the 8th inning with a lead seems to be a much larger problem than trying to not give up runs in the 8th. Joba needs to start games.

  964. V May 1st, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    :-(

  965. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    taxiera next year

  966. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    The mets traded away bannister because burgos had a better “arm” than bannister. Hasn’t worked out for the mets.

  967. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    damn ump blocked Bobby’s vision and made a late call

  968. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Sweep

  969. matt May 1st, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    If you guys think we can fix this pitching in house your delusional we need to get a trade done yesterday!!!

  970. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    if you look at it the tampabay rays are way better than this yankee team

  971. Rob NY May 1st, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Well Duncan is in scoring position so it’s over now.

  972. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    God the yankees are stinking it up this year.

  973. ellen May 1st, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Wow. What an ugly night, again.

  974. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    “If you guys think we can fix this pitching in house your delusional we need to get a trade done yesterday!!!”

    you got on the bandwagon in 96′ ?

  975. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    :(

    Tomorrow is Wang right? Yay!

    Will we be able to score a run? That’s another story

  976. Drive 4-5 May 1st, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Betsy,

    I agree that Phil was totally rushed. He pitched all of 5 games at AAA before landing in the majors and being handed a rotation spot. Phil could very well be better than a #3 someday,but he’s obviously not there now and the Phil Franchise label only adds to the pressure. He definitely could use more movement on his fastball. Maybe it is just mechanics that are the problem.

    As for IPK, even after personally watching 2 of his 3 wins last year, I came away unimpressed. I prefer to watch pitchers that go after hitters and can put them away rather than watching someone try to nibble and be perfect. I said it last fall and I’ll say it now, his trade value was at its peak last year.

  977. Bob May 1st, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Yeah, but it’s against Bedard. Have we ever hit him?

    At least Seattle is going extras in Cleveland tonight.

  978. Westerner99 May 1st, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Look on the bright side:
    -the first baseman didn’t make any error
    -they had ten hits
    -Abreu went deep
    -Britton pitched some shutout innings

  979. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    The yanks have no choice, they will make a trade, mark my words. They are going to give away some young talent to get a starter, if but mediocre.

  980. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    for the Fatcessa followers

    Joba and Mo are a huge weapon, but I didn’t see there 8th & 9th inning dominance save us, gee I wonder why :)

  981. CaptainsCorner May 1st, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    The Tigers are a very flawed team. Especially there pitching is awful. But the sad part is it just shows how awful the Yanks really are right now. It is bad enough that the Yanks stink but hearing Kay go on and on like clockwork is more annoying then anything. Everytime Cano makes out it is the same line well Cano is now 1 for his last 89. Also another inning they go down 1,2,3 and another runner left on base. Then asking Leiter and Flaherty if Kennedy should be in the majors. Be quiet already Kay don’t make it even worse….

  982. Central CT Yankee May 1st, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    This game was better when everyone was on the Juice

  983. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    “The yanks have no choice, they will make a trade, mark my words. They are going to give away some young talent to get a starter, if but mediocre.”

    ok 1. your wrong, 2. fat chance in that happening 3. that’s why we are we rebuilding at the same time

  984. Bob May 1st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Just what pitcher are the Yanks gonna trade for?

    What pitcher that’s worth a damn anyways?

  985. Bob May 1st, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    LOL @ Central CT YAnkee

    BRING BACK THE ROIDS!!!! lol

  986. MoBoy May 1st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    I thought Rasner replacing Hughes was good but thats when Hughes was only gonna be out for a month.IT’s gonna be about 2 months and Rasner isn’t that good to help Yankees.

    I wonder who the Yankees gonna trade for this year.

  987. SJ44 May 1st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    There are no veteran pitchers on the market. Nobody is making May trades.

    You either fix from within or go to the scrapheap.

    I prefer they try to fix from within.

    Should make for an interesting post-game when Girardi is asked about Kennedy.

  988. EY May 1st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    The losing streak stops tomorrow. Our loss stopper Wang against Mariners.

    I fully expect a great outing, considering his best record is against the Mariners.

  989. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Rob why would you or they trade for a mediocre starter when we have Rasner and Igawa?

  990. Bob May 1st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Anyone else depressed at the potential of maybe having to watch Igawa starts?

    Ughhh.

  991. MoBoy May 1st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    CT.Who said they were gone.

  992. Jeff NJ May 1st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Think it’s time to stretch out Joba? Can we afford the bullpen hit right now?

  993. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    “Just what pitcher are the Yanks gonna trade for?

    What pitcher that’s worth a damn anyways?”

    Matt Morris :D … LOL seriously these people crack me up thinking the Yankees will trade youth for the quick fix, THIS IS WHY WE ARE IN THIS SITUATION !!!

  994. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    we’ll see. I think they’ll make a trade. Don’t know who yet, but they will.

  995. Amanda from La. May 1st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    hey, at least they got 4 runs on the boards…that’s something good to look at.

    …too bad 3 of them came from one guy. it’s a step in the right direction though!

  996. EY May 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    I still say we shouldn’t make any hasty moves. No team has run away with the division yet, and we’re still in a better position (standing wise – not health wise though) compared to same time last year.

  997. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    ok they won’t, bet they won’t if they do , it’ll be w/ guys like Betemit and Damon before ever touching Tabata/Jackson/Horne/McCutchen/Betances/McCallister/Montero… just watch

  998. Ryan May 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    if anything, maybe tickets will be cheaper for the last few games at the stadium.

  999. Doreen May 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    A trade for WHO? No one is available that anyone would want.

  1000. Bob May 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    If you think they are gonna make a trade, you must have some names in mind. Who are they?

    I love how people just think Cashman can wave his magic wand and make trades happen and that teams are just gonna call up and offer him quality arms.

  1001. kasey May 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    look, people wanted to trust the kids and build from within. anybody who was behind that idea (and i count myself as behind it) had to see this as one of the possible outcomes.

    this is what happens sometimes during a “rebuilding” year. every team has them. if you followed the yankees from, oh, 1983-1994, you’re pretty familiar with them. it’s really not that big a deal. it was bound to happen if they wanted to commit to cashman’s plan.

    whether his plan works remains to be seen, but this is what it looks like.

  1002. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    they wont trade any young talent if brian cashman is the gm

  1003. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Hey I’m content with losing this year so as to be better next. The only problem is a lot of position players are only getting older, so it’s not guaranteed that next year they will be better. The idea behind this team was that the offense would mash and relieve much of the pressure of the young pitchers. This team neither mashes nor pitches. I also am missing torre, I’m beginning to appreciate how even keeled torre was. Girardi seems so angry when they lose. Does he really think they are going to win every game? He needs to be more steady. When the team sees him freak out I think they press.

  1004. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    cashman should be fired and bring in a non ego Gm

  1005. Jeff NJ May 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    They will not trade at this point. Why throw the future away for a mediocre present potential rebuilding year? As bad as last year was, at least the offense led by A Rod was mashing, this year has no real feel good story besides the 8th and 9th innings.

    Joba needs to go to the rotation now, in 3 weeks when he’s ready either Rasner or Kennedy would be sent down. Nothing to lose now.

  1006. Bob May 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Not to be a jerk, but really what kind of question is this?

    Think it’s time to stretch out Joba? Can we afford the bullpen hit right now?

    Please explain to me, because I just don’t get it, what good it does over the course of the season to have 2 dominant guys in your pen who pitch in games you have a good chance of winning anyways are when you only have one starter who can get past the 5th inning?

  1007. stuart May 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    the problem is the hitting not the pitching..

    hughes and Kennedy have stunk but if they could hit things would be different…

    Cano is doing great…

  1008. TKinDC May 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Amanda –

    I want some of the koolaid you are serving! :) Must be a Hurricane

    Getting swept is not good under any circumstances.

  1009. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    No one is going to trade with the Yankees unless they can get away with highway robbery. As most teams try to get the Yankees best prospects for average players their offering.

  1010. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    How about signing Leiter, Cone, Flaherty and O’Neill…

    Seriously, that sounds better than anything I’ve heard so far…

  1011. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    agreed Cashman stand pat, unless someone asks for Giambi or Damon

  1012. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    “the problem is the hitting not the pitching..

    hughes and Kennedy have stunk but if they could hit things would be different…

    Cano is doing great…”
    what are u smoking?

  1013. scorpio May 1st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    agreed stuart,

    that’s how detroit was able to sweep, their offense picked up the shoddy pitching.

    start hitting and converting risp’s…this offense wouldn’t be able to get a hit of my grandma (may she rest in peace) right now. no fight at all, simply pathetic.

  1014. Cool Eddy May 1st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Does anyone remember that Joba did not have a real terrific spring as a starter? I do. I’m all for Joba being a starter, but I dont think the kid is ready just yet, he had the same problem in spring as Phil and IPK. He can get ahead and then he nibbles. I dont think Joba could provide a immediate jolt to the rotation right now, especially in this cold weather. Let it warm up first if anything.

  1015. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    People are naive if they think that joba is going to dominate as a starter immediately. He could be a #1, but he will have growing pains as well. It would be retarded to panic and throw Joba in the rotation right now. It would also be moronic to trade away blue-chippers for mediocrity. The yankees signed up for this when the kept the youngsters, its called rebuilding. It’s a good thing.

  1016. Andy Hawkins May 1st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    After May 1, 2007: 10-14, fifth place, 5.5 games back.

    After May 1, 2008: 14-16, fourth place, 3 games back.

    JUST RELAX, PEOPLE!

    This is going to get turned around in house.

  1017. Bob May 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Wang had awful spring numbers too.

    Joba may struggle as a starter, but don’t expect it simply because of spring numbers. They are worthless for the most part.

  1018. stuart May 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    ladies. the angels are winning without lackey, escobar(2 stud starters) and howie Kendrick a pretty good hitter.

    the yanks need to suck it up, if cano and a couple other guys could play decent not great there offense should be better…

    the panic and stupididty from the fans is really staggering, the are 3 games out; the rays will not win the division, RELAX..

    They have options on the farm and need to tinker and try things out if they do not work go to plab B or Plan C etc..
    IfGiambi sucks for 60 moe BA’s I say blow him out, screw him, he has been a albatross for 3 or 4 yrs. but the fans do not get on him, WHY?

    Moose was actually a better sign then giambi!!!!!!!Giambi got 7 yrs for a ton of cash and is the slowest, pull hitter, inept glove…If they just had Nick Johnson iinstead of him the bench would be better everything would be better….

    these are young pitchers sometimes it takes a while to suceed; look at the stats for other studs; santana, clemens, greg maddux, roy halladay, and on and on..

    I am coming to the conclusion that yankee fans whom I am one are literally MORONS and spoiled babies…

  1019. Cool Eddy May 1st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Worthless as statistics, but he cant go out and there and throw slider – fastball and be lights out. Phil has showed that and Joba has not showed enough consistency with his other pitches. He used them mostly in ST and he would end up throwing a 100 pitches in 5 or less.

  1020. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    “After May 1, 2007: 10-14, fifth place, 5.5 games back.

    After May 1, 2008: 14-16, fourth place, 3 games back.

    JUST RELAX, PEOPLE!

    This is going to get turned around in house.”

    No we cant relax this team is not a playoff team if you look at the lineup and pitching staff right now THE TAMPABAY RAYS ARE BETTER THAN THE NEW YORK YANKEES RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS THE TRUTH

  1021. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    so will it be White, McCutchen or Igawa ..Kennedy is going to AAA you can’t keep him up here after that.

  1022. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    Cool Eddy go to bed.

  1023. Andy Hawkins May 1st, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    stuart,

    100 percent right. Giambi was a bad sign at the time. Yankees fans are spoiled. But, in their defense, a lot of the spoiled ones jumped on board in ’96 because they wanted to be part of a winner.

    Everybody remembers the veteran Jim Leyritz who hit big home runs. Nobody remembers the young Jim Leyritz who was the reason I lost a no-hitter!

    It’s like that way with everybody. Having young pitchers is considered great, as long as they’re dominant. The minute there are growing pains, ship them out and trade some young people for a veteran. The Yankees were trying to take a half step back this year (which would still allow them to compete) so they could take giant steps forward next year, the year after and beyond. But nobody wants to suck up a few losses now.

    Selfish.

  1024. stuart May 1st, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    Cno is hitting 150 with a OBP of about 170 of course I am joking. Not only is he not hitting but his AB’s are bad.. Again he is a hitter with no plate discipline so when he is not getting hits he has no positive value for the team…

    Jeter he has a good AB with RISP but 1/2 the time they are bleeder infiled singles that drive in no one.

    They are not hitting; NO one is over projections, NO one…

    The pen is atually better then expected if they can get the O going they can start winning and then tinker with the pitching staff; try rasner if he fails try mccutcheon or whomever.. They do not have tim redding, ponson, darrel may and other decks in the minors they have mostly young guys who may fail but have a chance to succeed…

    Galaraga a new starter for Detroit he is suprise, it happens….

  1025. STEVE May 1st, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    This Joe is no better than that Joe because Cashman is still Cashman.
    Who built those “Bronx Bombers”, the top 1 team salary of MLB?
    With pitching rotation can’t-be-worse performance, Yankess hitters are slumping and inconsistent.
    This team is being cursed.

  1026. Andy Hawkins May 1st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    WTF…can’t win every game in baseball. I know you jumped on board in ’98, but you can’t win every game. It’s a game of peaks and valleys. The Yankees will hit. They started worse last year and ended up hitting. Made the playoffs. Almost won the division.

    Relax. This team WILL turn it around in house.

  1027. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    “Worthless as statistics, but he cant go out and there and throw slider – fastball and be lights out. Phil has showed that and Joba has not showed enough consistency with his other pitches. He used them mostly in ST and he would end up throwing a 100 pitches in 5 or less.”

    I guess you dont look around. Joba has good control over 4 pitches he is only using the slider and fastball because that is the only pitches he need for 1 inn if he is a starter he can throw 4 pitches

  1028. Frank Discussion May 1st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Cano has the worst VORP in baseball right now, according to Baseball Prospectus. He is contributing absolutely nothing to this team.

  1029. Andy Hawkins May 1st, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Frank,

    Just like he contributed nothing early last year and wound up hitting .300.

  1030. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    “Does anyone remember that Joba did not have a real terrific spring as a starter? I do. I’m all for Joba being a starter, but I dont think the kid is ready just yet, he had the same problem in spring as Phil and IPK. He can get ahead and then he nibbles. I dont think Joba could provide a immediate jolt to the rotation right now, especially in this cold weather. Let it warm up first if anything.”

    First of all look at wang he have like a 10 era what his record now 5-0

  1031. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    “Does anyone remember that Joba did not have a real terrific spring as a starter? I do. I’m all for Joba being a starter, but I dont think the kid is ready just yet, he had the same problem in spring as Phil and IPK. He can get ahead and then he nibbles. I dont think Joba could provide a immediate jolt to the rotation right now, especially in this cold weather. Let it warm up first if anything.”

    excuses again by keep Joba in the BP Fatcessa group :lol:

  1032. Andy Hawkins May 1st, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    I want Joba in the rotation too, but can’t put him there now. There’s an innings limit to consider. That can’t happen before August.

    Spring training means nothing. Cano crushed the ball in spring training. Wang couldn’t get anybody out.

  1033. Kill-Schill(ing) May 1st, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    I missed Girardi’s post-game interview. Did he provide an official update on the four doctor’s diagnosis of Posada’s injury?

  1034. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    “WTF…can’t win every game in baseball. I know you jumped on board in ‘98, but you can’t win every game. It’s a game of peaks and valleys. The Yankees will hit. They started worse last year and ended up hitting. Made the playoffs. Almost won the division.

    Relax. This team WILL turn it around in house.”

    They’re not hitting with this lineup

  1035. Frank Discussion May 1st, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    Andy,

    I certainly hope that winds up being the case this year as well. Too valuable an asset to perform this way.

  1036. Andy Hawkins May 1st, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    Francessa is losing his mind. He’ll turn when he realizes it doesn’t matter if you have God as your set-up man if the starters aren’t good enough to give him a lead.

  1037. Brian Cashman is watching May 1st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Dan McCutchen lost today, giving up five runs in seven innings, but struck out 8 while walking 1. Not horrible, but certainly not great. McCutchen will be fine, but he’s still building up. Last year he threw 140 innings, and will be stretched to 170 this year barring injury.

    I do not understand the aversion to Steven White. He has control issues at times, but last year he was decent and this year he is posting good numbers, both years in Triple-A. Fastball is the same as McCutchen, but he does not have the same combination of pitches. White is already on the 40 man roster and could be a valuable piece in the bullpen. Darrell Rasner can be a serviceable pitcher, as can White. McCutchen will not likely be called up until Marquez and White get a chance if Kennedy is sent down.

  1038. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    this offense is nothing without arod

  1039. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    “Francessa is losing his mind. He’ll turn when he realizes it doesn’t matter if you have God as your set-up man if the starters aren’t good enough to give him a lead.”

    doesn’t mean anything to him he’d say I don’t care keep Joba where he is and trade Jorge Tabata and the CF’er from AA for a # 5 SP

  1040. Big guy May 1st, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    With A-rod and posada out of the lineup the yankees can’t expect alot of runs like they are used 2. The pitching needs 2 step up and pettite and wang can not afford 2 loose games and now mussina has 2 pitch like his old self 4 the yankees 2 be succseful

  1041. Andy Hawkins May 1st, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    WTF…They hit with it last year. And the year before that.

    It’s a game of averages. They’ll all get hot. A-Rod will come back. So will Posada. And that’s two huge hitters into the middle of the lineup. You had Shelley Duncan hitting cleanup tonight. Against the Tigers, who by the way, were one of the World Series favorites because of their offense. The Yankees were underdogs the last three nights.

    Key isn’t to be good in May. The key is to stay close in May and be good in September.

    Steven White is a one-pitch guy. A poor-man’s Ohlendorf. And seriously, if Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy are struggling, why does anyone think it will be any better for Steven White and Dan McCutchen?

  1042. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    An IDIOT radio broadcaster rank the 10 pitchers
    santana
    pedro
    maine
    perez
    wang
    andy
    hughes
    kennedy
    pelfrey
    how does that look now?

  1043. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    “Brian Cashman is watching ”

    are you Brian Cashman :lol:

  1044. WTF? May 1st, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    CASHMAN YOU SUX STOP TRYING TO SAVE MONEY YOU NOT AN ELITE GM ANYWAYS STOP PLS DO WHAT THE RIGHT THING IS

  1045. Andy Hawkins May 1st, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Brandon, I used to like Francesa, but he’s losing me. I respect the opinion that Joba is an elite setup man, but who cares about elite setup men? You screw your team and the pitcher over when you have that big a talent and you don’t use him as a starter. The Yankees are proving that starting pitching is so much more important than the bullpen. I can’t believe he still goes on the air every day begging to relegate the man to the bullpen. Hey, if the pen is so important, put Wang in for the seventh inning, and let Pettitte pitch the sixth. They’d dominate, too.

  1046. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    So how was Girardi after the game?

  1047. Andy Hawkins May 1st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    WTF…easy to demand more money be spent when it’s not your money. Ticket prices are high enough, thank you very much.

    And who made that list: Keith Hernandez? Four Mets pitchers ahead of Wang and Pettitte?

  1048. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    This isn’t a knee jerk reaction but everybody knows that if you put joba in the rotation his record would read like this:

    W-L 30-0
    K 810
    BB -0
    ERA 0.00
    H- 0

    He would only throw perfect games obviously. He would transition seamlessly into the rotation to become the best pitcher in baseball. Never have any setbacks like other historically great pitchers. Really, without hesitation we should move him into the rotation. In fact, we should fire all the other pitchers on the team except wang. Joba can pitch 4 games out of 5. That way we would win almost every game. When he is not pitching we can have him play 1b where he will hit a home run in every ab.

  1049. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Andy but they don’t throw 100 mpg :lol:

  1050. Frank Discussion May 1st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Yankees led the league in almost every offensive category last year, after a similar slow start. I can’t see any valid reason not to expect similar results this year, injuries aside. It’s just frustrating watching them fumble around like this.

  1051. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    100 mph * :lol:

  1052. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Boy we didn’t see Joba once in this series.

  1053. S.A.-Send everyone to Triple A and send Farnsworth to Mars May 1st, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Watch..when Joba become a starter, Francessa will proclaim “I always said Joba should be a starter.”

  1054. Andy Hawkins May 1st, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Rob…are you talking about Joba or Steve Nebraska. That’s the guy they need.

    Brandon…he’s one of those guys who loves to sit there and watch the radar gun hit triple digits, that’s all. I’m disappointed, because I really used to like him. Now, he just gets to me. Not just on Joba, but a knee-jerk reaction to everything. This team needed patience, and he’s the guy leading the charge against it. How many times did he say today that he’d have made the deal for Santana. I hope Hughes makes him look like an idiot in five years.

  1055. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    oh we wanna go there do we Rob :lol:

    everybody knows the BP outweighs the rotation

    wait.. what’s that… oh ok

    Erick Bedard just released a statement:

    “I can’t start tomorrow, the Mariners organization said I would help better in the 8th inning, I also agree w/ this clearly me coming out in the 8th nighty night Yankee bats”

  1056. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    I’m not saying joba shouldn’t be in the rotation. I’m just saying you have to be stupid to think that he will dominate immediately. He like the other kids WILL struggle. Great starters are made, not born. It took koufax 4 years before he got his stride, santana took 4 years as well. Can somebody name me a pitcher who was an all time great that dominated from the very beginning?

  1057. David May 1st, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Rob, I know you’re being sarcastic, but nobody is expecting that. He would be their number 3, you’re expecting a representative starting pitcher, not an ace right away. Of course he’s going to lose games, give up runs, etc, but I do not believe there will be many times when he takes the mound and just looks flat out lost and over matched, that I won’t be expecting. There’s a big difference between two finesse pitchers and one that has a consistent over-powering fastball. He doesn’t need to be perfect, Kennedy and Hughes pretty much do to be above average. But I do not believe that Joba will go out there for many starts where his 95-99mph fastball will be batted around and he won’t be able to get outs, and all his other pitches stem from that.

  1058. CanIGetAMooseCall May 1st, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Can we get David Wells now?

  1059. ellen May 1st, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Any revelations in the post game? I missed it.

  1060. Jax May 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Even with Santana the rotation still would have been a bit shaky: Santana,Pettitte,Wang,Mussina and ? The offense still would be in a funk and the CF would be Damon and Matsui in LF. Sorry but that’s a joke. Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make.

  1061. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    “How many times did he say today that he’d have made the deal for Santana. I hope Hughes makes him look like an idiot in five years.”

    to him Santana is just a lefty who can throw 95 mph, which he’s actually struggled to do this season, we hear about the deal we should have made, meanwhile Santana in the NL I thought he was suppose to dominate , he’s given up 7 HR in month # 1, IDK, but I bet Hughes won’t stay the way he is now.

  1062. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! May 1st, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Hey, if the Yankees don’t pick up the offense, it doesn’t matter if we clone Joba…unless of course he can hit too…

  1063. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Rob the difference is he sits at 95 – 96, remember that.

  1064. Andy Hawkins May 1st, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Mark my words: Wang, Hughes, Kennedy, Joba. That’s the best rotation in baseball in 2010.

    And to whoever said the best trades are the ones you don’t make, great point. The Twins wanted Melky Cabrera too (and they asked for Wang in a deal with Kennedy). I’ll tell you what, I’ve seen Austin Jackson and Brett Gardner. And I like them. But I’ll take Melky Cabrera over both of them.

  1065. NYY May 1st, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Frank Discussion May 1st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Yankees led the league in almost every offensive category last year, after a similar slow start. I can’t see any valid reason not to expect similar results this year, injuries aside. It’s just frustrating watching them fumble around like this.

    Y was the offense lights out last year? Do u remember Arod was in the contract year and he was lights out and Posada was in contract year as well and had the best offensive year ever for a catcher. This year they r both on the DL.

  1066. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    I’m sorry but if joba throws 95 down the middle of the plate it will be hit hard. Location is the most important thing in pitching; location followed by movement, followed by velocity. Look, I think joba can get relevant experience from the bullpen to become an excellent starter. When it’s time to move him into the rotation (pending on inning limits) they should. Just don’t expect him to always go 5 let alone 3. What if Joba gets injured, or is less than stellar? Then you’ll be clamoring for him to move back into the bp. If you don’t have enough patience for the other youngsters you won’t for him.

  1067. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Also joba sits at 93-95 as a starter. He won’t be up around 99 as a starter.

  1068. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    my balls hurts

  1069. Rob May 1st, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    I agree with Andy Hawkins. The pitcher of the most infamous no-hitter ever!

  1070. keith May 1st, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    Rob: you’re an idiot

  1071. Dr. J May 1st, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    Francessa wants to trade “Jorge Tabata” for Arroyo…

  1072. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    “Francessa wants to trade “Jorge Tabata” for Arroyo…”

    no just any Arroyo for Carlos Arroyo :lol:

  1073. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    “Francessa wants to trade “Jorge Tabata” for Arroyo…”

    not just any Arroyo for Carlos Arroyo :lol: *

  1074. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 1st, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    BJ Upton strained his shoulder, again WTF happened this offseason :?

  1075. Andy Hawkins May 2nd, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Jorge Tabata? They can have him. As long as the Yankees keep his brother Jose.

  1076. CY Yang May 2nd, 2008 at 12:00 am

    I hope that everybody at Yankees will put their act together behind Wang tomorrow. It’ll be a must-win game!

    Disappointed but still hopeful!

  1077. Fran May 2nd, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Ellen – no revelations in the post game. Girardi very low key. Said they would discuss Kennedy’s status internally and what they will do with him. He said that they can’t keep going to the bulpen this early and that they need length from the starters. He also said that Kennedy is not making adjustments on the mound.

  1078. Rob NY May 2nd, 2008 at 12:02 am

    Hey Rob Joba is better that 93-95.That’s what all the scouting reports say. Then again they said Hughes sat at 92-94 so who knows

  1079. ellen May 2nd, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Thanks, Fran.

  1080. Andy Hawkins May 2nd, 2008 at 12:03 am

    CY, no such thing as a must-win game in early May. Sorry.

    I saw the Upton swing, Brandon. He just swung and crumbled into a heap. Sometimes you see that when you take a big swing and miss, but he fouled it off. It was weird. I thought he broke his hamate bone at first, but then I noticed he was holding his shoulder. It must pop out on him all the time.

  1081. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 2nd, 2008 at 12:03 am

    code word: Ian enjoy Scranton for awhile

  1082. Andy Hawkins May 2nd, 2008 at 12:04 am

    I saw Joba in the minors last year, and he was 93-97. Doesn’t matter what he is, as long as he’s throwing all four with command. Which he can do and make people look silly.

    Also saw Hughes. He was never a hard thrower. I don’t know where people get the idea that he worked at 95. Never happened.

  1083. ANSKY May 2nd, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Hawk – Wang, Hughes, Kennedy, Joba in ’10. Probably agree w/you there. We can see which other guys develop too.

    Appears the consensus is that Hughes & more so Kennedy aren’t ready. Hughes I think is close. Important to remember they’re not ready YET and they’re NOT total busts or trade bait. Team took a shot with them out of ST (a worthwhile shot) but the bullpen will soon be collectively Proctorized so I’m going along with the thinking that it’s time to shift gears at least for a little while. I do hope they come back soon.

  1084. David May 2nd, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Rob, I know the sample size is relatively small, but Joba has repeatedly dominated major league hitters. He has experience getting major league hitters out. The only way he’s going to get starting pitcher experience against major league hitters is by pitching to major league hitters as a starter in the major leagues.

    You think the bullpen is going to give him experience? What kind of experience does pitching an inning every 3 or 4 days give you? And you’re probably right, he might struggle because he’s barely pitching now. He’ll need to settle in but he’s not going to get knocked around, sorry, he’s too good. He’ll have bad games but his stuff is too good for him to go out there and make it 3 innings.

    And I don’t know if it’s true but people posting comments here have said that Joba threw 96mph in the 6th inning in the minors.

  1085. Rob NY May 2nd, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Didn’t work at 95 but he was 92-94 with movement. That’s a far cry from 87-91 like he was last outing.

  1086. Andy Hawkins May 2nd, 2008 at 12:08 am

    I saw it. He was throwing 96 in his last inning last year in Scranton. And that’s a slow gun at that place.

    Rob NY, he also had a broken rib in his last outing. All year, he has been throwing 92-94 with movement. He just isn’t locating.

  1087. Rob May 2nd, 2008 at 12:08 am

    I’m just saying if you don’t have patience for Hughes, you’ll have even less for Joba. If he slips up more than once, like 2 bad starts and then 3 mediocre starts, everyone and I mean everyone will be saying he is better suited for the bullpen, and we should’ve kept him there. The margin of error is extremely low for these kids. It’s unfair to them and their development.

    Put Joba in the rotation fine. Just don’t expect him to be lights out, and then don’t freak out when he isn’t. PATIENCE is the key when you are building youngsters.

  1088. EN May 2nd, 2008 at 12:08 am

    When are the Yankees going to Fire Brian Cashman?
    Do we have to suffer through the whole year with this
    Do-Nothing Moron? Ever since this Fool let 3/5 of the
    Yankee’s rotation walk away(Clemens, Pettite and Wells),
    the rotation has been 2-3 quality starters short!
    He brought in a whole bunch of disasters like Kevin Brown,
    Vasquez and Pavano(also known as the invisable man)!
    He brought in that loser Benitez as a setup man for
    Mariano! Believe me the Yanks lucked out with Joba Chamberlain(I’m surprised that doofus Cashman didn’t trade him). he brought in losers Latroy Hawkins and Traber to go along with the total bust Kyle Farnsworth!
    Now Hughes and Kennedy are undeniable disasters in the
    rotation this year(I think they both have era’s close to
    10). Is there any prospect of a trade for a decent pitcher who can keep the Yankees in some games?
    Why is Joba Chamberlain still in the bullpen?
    the starters(not counting Wang and sometimes Pettite) give up so many runs that he can’t be much use as a setup man
    for Mariano now! Put Joba in the Rotation NOW!
    I rest my case Cashman has to go as soon as possible!

  1089. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 2nd, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Hey Rob Joba is better that 93-95.That’s what all the scouting reports say. Then again they said Hughes sat at 92-94 so who knows

    btm. of 5th

  1090. MackNova May 2nd, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Peter, I hate to say it, but you say you don’t know if Detroit can overcome their horrid start to the season. Detroit (14-15) has a better record right now than the Yankees (14-16). They really came back strongly, and I didn’t really notice either.

  1091. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 2nd, 2008 at 12:13 am

    Btm. of the 7th

  1092. David May 2nd, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Rob, I think you bring up a valid point, Joba could very well fail in the starting rotation. But by watching him in the major leagues and observing his quality pitches you have to believe he will be great.

    And what do you do if he isn’t good? Then you accept not making the playoffs and having a wasted season. But this guy could single handedly be the Yankees savior and push them over the top… You have to take a gamble and give it a chance. We all realize it might not work out, but at some point it becomes a last resort and means the difference between a subpar team and an outstanding team.

  1093. stuart May 2nd, 2008 at 12:16 am

    I cannot think of 1 7 yr mega contract that has worked out…

    Name it??? Santana has a contract until he is 36!!!!!!!!!

    I wwould not sign ANY pitcher ever to more then a 5 yr deal and that only if they are young. Fielders you can give longer contracts to but again these contracts almost never ever work out…

    if they had santana as a earlier poster said CF would be terrible the 5th starter would still be bad and they would have less talent in the minors..

    IF they were hitting just to there baseball cards they would be 4 or 5 game above 500.

    Cano has been beyond bad, giabi just bad, jeter his #’s are misleading he has been bad, catcher decent, 3B decent, damon decent, etc..

    Wehn you 9th guy Melky has maybe played better then his card and that is your 1 shining light your offense sucks..

    Look at the era standing and there tuns scored standing, the hitting is KILLING them…

  1094. Rob May 2nd, 2008 at 12:17 am

    EN,

    You’re freaking out a bit much. You know it’s not a right for the yanks to make it to the playoffs every year. In fact, he has put the team in a rebuilding phase and still made them contenders, albeit, they aren’t playing that well right now. Like they say, you can’t win it in april or may but you sure can lose it. The yanks haven’t lost it. They tread water for a few more weeks, and then start to make a push. They are a second half team. They’ll make it exciting, I’m telling you, they will.

  1095. stuart May 2nd, 2008 at 12:19 am

    EN really you have to be joking no one can be tah tstuid is it possible???

    Yeah Cahsman let 3 37 yr old go and the problem with that is??????

    Again yankee fans are morons…….

    Cashman wanted Vlad, georgie wanted Sheff, that was a good move hey…Georgie wanted the steroid king Giambi, stick and others told him pass, and it goes on and on.. 1 huge bad signing hurts for yrs…

    they have numerous bad signings it is the yrs. the money, the lost picks that kills teams…

    good night children

  1096. Brandon (supporting the new movement "Alex being Alex") May 2nd, 2008 at 12:19 am

    I’m sorry maybe I should make it more clearer

    Joba into the 7th inning as a SP w/ a shut out in A ball footage

  1097. george May 2nd, 2008 at 12:21 am

    Kennedy’s last 2 starts haven’t been much different than Pettitte’s:

    Pettitte: 11 IP, 10 runs, 9 earned

    Kennedy: 9.2 IP, 7 runs, 7 earned

    Obviously Pettitte’s proven, Kennedy is an unknown. But Kennedy’s within the bell curve; the Yankees have been in his last 2 games. Unless there is some appealing option, keep him in there. He’s shown enough flashes to merit a few more starts.

  1098. Andy Hawkins May 2nd, 2008 at 12:24 am

    EN…Clemens “retired.” Pettitte wanted to pitch at home. Wells was clearly on the downside of his career?

    Are you suggesting the Yankees are struggling a little today because Cashman let Clemens retire, Pettitte pitch at home and Wells pitch elsewhere years ago?

  1099. Rob May 2nd, 2008 at 12:27 am

    I want to make something very clear: I think Joba WILL be a dominant starter, but I don’t think he will be this immediately. I think he will fail quite a bit first, like all young pitchers tend to do.

    My point is that, we must have patience for these kids to develop. Koufax, Drysdale, Gibson, Whitey Ford, Pedro Martinez, among a myriad of other great and dominant pitchers, all took beatings when they first came in. They almost all became consistently dominant by their 3rd or 4th year in the majors. Just don’t expect him to dominate immediately.

  1100. Rob NY May 2nd, 2008 at 12:29 am

    Dwight Gooden was amazing as a 19 year old : )

    (ignore the part where he flamed out after age 25)

  1101. Girardi on the DL May 2nd, 2008 at 12:31 am

    The line up that the esteemed Girardi puts out each night, regardless of the “creative” manner in which he does so, looks more like a NL line up than an AL one. And not a very NL line up at that.

    Maybe Cano needs to sit for a bit to get the cobwebs out of his head.

    This is going to be a long month.

  1102. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 2nd, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Rob…. literally FLAMED out :)

    For those who “strongly dislike” Jose Canseco:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3377770

  1103. Chris May 2nd, 2008 at 12:39 am

    Baseball Tonight just crowned Wil Nieves the “RBI MACHINE.” Thats right, 6 RBI’s in 5 games. The next yogi berra.

  1104. Rob NY May 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 am

    lol Joe youre a jerk.

  1105. JoeT YANKEES - Joba = SP May 2nd, 2008 at 12:45 am

    for the drug remark or for poking fun at Canseco?

    Yeah I guess either way I can’t disagree with you lol

  1106. Smitty May 2nd, 2008 at 1:05 am

    Why are so many people acting like the Yanks are supposed to be 10 games above .500 at this point?? I mean how many times do we have to go over this?? Look at the DL, now look at our rotation… and why is this Girardi’s fault? It’s MAY for the love of god. And for people to be so down after what happened last April is just stupid. You people who are complaining are thankless and spoiled.

  1107. Joe May 2nd, 2008 at 7:07 am

    I’m not sure where Pete compares Phil to Beckett. I’m guessing just injures, because performance wise even as a rookie Beckett was a much better pitcher.

  1108. Ariel777 May 2nd, 2008 at 11:59 am

    What goes without comment is the absolutely abysmal outfield play (except for Melky). Damon is falling apart before our very eyes, Abreu’s wallphoebia was patently evident last night on the two successive bombs by Ordonez and Cabrera, the second of which was obviously catchable by anyone purporting to be a major league outfielder. Abreu can’t go back, can’t go to his left (for fear of the foulside stands, and is apprehensive about coming in aggressively (for fear of getting whacked in the face by an errant bounce). Hidecki is no better, in fact worse….he can’t throw, also can’t go back on the ball, and he has no idea of how to play the angles when required to hit the gap. Actually it’s disgraceful.

    Not to give Kennedy a pass (since he doesn’t deserve one) , but if either (i) Damon did not fall down, stumble getting up and/or do his usual “push” (not throw) the ball back in, or (ii) Abreu had done a reasonable imitation of a major league rightfielder “somewhat familiar with the rightfield confines of the Stadium, not his typical Keystone Kop version, IPK “might” have survived.

  1109. David May 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Ariel777, very well said. That post made me laugh. I agree with everything you said though. And I like wallphoebia, that’s a great word and describes Abreu perfectly.

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